SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME Every Plot Hole and Question: ANSWERED!
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Spider-Man: No way Home was an emotional thrill-ride, but it left a lot of unanswered questions and lingering plot holes. How did Electro come to the universe if he never knew Peter Parker was Spider-Man? How did Peter defeat Doctor Strange? Why is Venom in the movie at all? Is Daredevil back in the MCU for good? We have the answers to all these questions and more.
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Are you doing Matrix or Hawkeye Easter eggs/ending explained videos first on Wednesday?
So when Strange erases the memory of everyone does that mean when Garfield and Maguire go back to their universes no one will remember them either?
Wrong Max thought he fried the chip again when he shocked him and throwed him out the window but he didn't because Peter redesigned it with the shielding around it to protect it from such things
Emma Stone Gwen knew Andrew Garfield Peter was Spider-Man. Just like the Villains were pulled from their universe before their death, Emma Gwen should have also be pulled before her death.
That would be amazing for our amazing spiderman.
I had to rewatch the Amazing Spiderman and noticed electro opened his eyes after stacy said the word "Peter". Almost all people knew in that universe that a Peter Parker worked getting pictures of spiderman. At the moment Stacy said the name electro could link that Peter Parker was Spiderman without knowing his face.
No you're wrong, Spider-man said "Now Gwen! Now!". Gwen didn't say anything.
@@siegebug lol I invite you to watch it again. Begore she "took her decision" she said the word "Peter". Electro was by the car after she ran over him. It is stretchy that electro could hear at that distance but it the closest explanation.
Don’t forget that Harry worked with Electro to get Peter’s blood. Harry knew of Peter at this point so I think it is safe to assume that he told Electro of his identity off camera.
Just watched that ending. Electro literally opened his eyes as soon as Gwen said Peter before running in the building
And Electro is INCREDIBLY intelligent! He could easily put two and two together!
Sandman’s heel turn comes from the fact that he just wants to go home. When working with Peter is the most direct way to get home he does it, when the villains revolt he can see that this will likely push Peter to banish them back to their timelines unfixed, which is still a good result for him.
Sandman has always been shown in the films to protect his own self interest in a wishy washy way.
Agreed. Also 2/4 were being controlled by their alter-ego and 1/4 was a loner with nothing to live for that ALMOST gave up their power but ultimately wanted to be powerful more than be a good person.
Electro himself told Sandman that they wouldn't go home because he liked the energy of that universe while Spider-man told him that he would send him back after he cured everyone, it doesn't make any sense
@@lepork519 Peter said that if anything happened MJ should press the button. Literally said it in front of them all.
@@theshaggydogg2867 yeah so they would be back to their universes where only the ones that died would keep dead, but yeah, Sandman didn't die so what's the logic?
@@lepork519 you aren’t asking a question. Read what I said again.
Basically Dr.Strange just hit the world with a magical Mandela effect
I agree. I think they'll have lots of deja vu type moments. Dreams that show reality. Things of that nature. And I also think Strange fixed the spell to where he knows what happened.
Just like Wong telling Strange not to do it in the trailer directly, and in actual film felt like a suggestion
@@e3vL1 that's called clever editing. Just like hulk was in infinity war fights
@Raunak Mitra - Hyper-ion I'm a mandela effect nerd! Haha
“World” so does nick fury still know Peters identity?
Seeing Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man save MJ in the movie was so satisfying. He learned what to do differently in order to save her
Lol Gwen Is still dead tho. Yea he “feels” better but … didn’t really get “fixed”
@@tonymartinez5798 he saved MJ because of Gwen’s death, he grabbed her himself instead of webbing her… so he learned.
Gwen was meant to die, there was no literally any other way for andrew to save her on that moment.
@@jsOliWhite what was wrong with using webs when they can literally reach anywhere within seconds?
@@hinamatsuro1908 he snapped her
So from my understanding, the reason the other Mary Jane/Gwen, Harry and even Aunt May from the other Peters didn't show up is because Strange removed them from the spell, to Peter's request.
"Everyone will forget except your girlfriend, your best friend and your aunt" so therefore that's why they weren't brought there
This seems like an actual valid explanation
Maybe so
Both are very valid explanations, well done.
Yes but it doesn't explain how captain stacy in the amazing spiderman didn't came cus he's obviously not one of the people that peter mentioned
@Mel G A lot of people didn't come, only a few made it. By the end more were coming and it could have been literally anyone else.
Peter:
"Hey Steven, can you make everyone forget about Mysterio and everything he's ever said?"
Dr Strange:
"Yeah sure, Peter!"
**roll credits**
No, because the people would remember that Peter Parker is Spider Man and that he created the Elementals, but they wouldn't remember from where they know that
@@ignaciodiazmoore op included "everything he ever said" meaning the video of him revealing Peter's identity is also within the spell's effects
I just thought about this and it wouldn't work, because what if some people knew Peter was Spider-Man through friends or news. so to them they never knew who Mysterio was or what he said but they still found out Peter is Spiderman
Yeah but, which Peter?
Still he would’ve messed up cause Peter still would have ask Strange to make MJ remember and some others in fact without the Mysterio events they wouldn’t be together
In regards to Electro trusting Octavious, when he decided he didn't want to be cured he threw a blast at Octavious, so besides Octavious attacking SpiderMan he probably thought that his blast might have fried the new inhibitor chip again. He even did say something like "he liked him better before", so he probably actually intended to fry the chip.
Yeah, he did say that, and even *I* thought he'd fried the new chip.
I think that was an intentional misdirection. Hence it was ambiguious when he returns and attacks the 2 Spidermen as a distraction.
A stretch
The film sucks
@@susgoma8220 poor baby
If HISHE sees this, Peter should have just asked for Dr. Strange to make everyone forget that Mysterio said he was Peter Parker
This is great
that's why strange was pissed that peter didn't think it through
Yea this movie just shows how stupid Peter Parker is.
@@nolan4826 He’s an academic genius but doesn’t have much common sense lol
@@ReblazeGaming to be fair the dude is the most innocent and most youngest out of all live action spiderman lol
Electro says in the film "I was in the mainframe gathering data and information. I nearly had it all and then..." So if the villains are coming in when they LEARN spidermans identity, that still fits. Doc Oc and Norman Osborne learn his identity because they physically see Peter Parker remove his mask. But electro learnt his identity via data. He just hadn't seen him physically yet.
Ohh that's why he thought that Peter was black as Electro hasn't seen him physically yet. This theory makes sense ngl
In 2002 movie Osborne deduced spiderman’s identity, so i wouldn’t say that they come are the exact moment but the data thing seems accurate
Norman learned at Thanksgiving dinner.
So why were the villains pulled from different years in time? Otto knew Norman died but didn’t know he would die too, the spell somehow pulled villains from Spider-Man 1,2,3 each from different times, how does that work? Pretty convenient 😂
@@Fugger69 they came in the moment they find out spiderman is peter parker.
My theory on why Electro didn’t attack Doc Oc is that he thought that he fried the chip again when he shocked him earlier in the film; reverting the arms into control. That’s what I was suspecting happened in the moment
Thankfully the newer inhibitor chip has much better electric resistance
that’s exactly what i thought too! now i’m wondering if doc oc went along with everyone when they revolted and pretended to be on their side, or if he went into hiding alone until the fight
@@2riel He likely ran away *because* Electro *could* destroy the chip and he didn't want that to happen.
Sandman's the one that didn't make much sense. His goal is to return home to his kid. Helping the villains is directly at odds with that. I legit think he was only made into a villain so that Spiderman would actually *need* help
I thought Electro DID fry the chip, but Doc Oc regained control with his own mind similar to how he did at the end of Spiderman 2
@@InfernosReaper Sandman was helping the villains get the box - but his ulterior motive was to push the button whereas Electro was going to destroy it.
It’s explicitly explained that Electro’s defeat in ASM2 was his death, and that he was transported shortly before that moment. He explains that his powers and appearance are inexplicably different in this universe as well
duh sherlock, this video just talks about why the spell pulled him in when he apparently didnt know peter was spiderman
@@echo_z319 Guy in the video literally says he thinks electro comes from later in the timeline, which is what OP was correcting.
I think he looks different because it’s his blue form turned human which made him better or something I remember his teeth got fixed
The most basic explanation for Electro is that he comes from an alternate ASM universe where he looked different and knew Spiderman's identity.
If it was before his death, how come Gwen was dead when Andrews’s Spider-Man said he lost his gf, which was during the fight with Harry’s goblin?
Bro, after reading Five Kingdoms, there’s an easy explanation: the spell attacks the individual memories of the affected person, so the more memories you have of them, the harder it is to remember them, barber: thinks you’re familiar, but doesn’t dwell on it. Mother: doesn’t think twice passing you in the street. Sad.
What's Five Kingdoms?
Idk if anyone noticed. But that subtle detail they had when electro was powering up. He was first blue (from amazing Spiderman 2) then because he's in the MCU him noticing the energy is more powerful. It changed his color to yellow. That was super dope to see
@Jerk Magherk the mask yeah. I'm talking when he's first introduced to electro and sandman. On the powerlines he was blue first. Then the electricity turned yellow
One of my biggest questions was Electro knowing who Peter Parker is… this is kind of a stretch, but they explain it in No Way Home in the same scene they talk about coming to the mcu earth. Electro is talking about kicking Spider-Man’s ass and says “I was in the grid collecting data.” This seems like massive amounts of data, so who knows what that could mean. Could be cell phone calls with Gwen at least connecting the name Peter Parker’s name to Spider-man. This would make since you the theory of coming over the moment they knew he was Peter Parker.
This is by far the best explanation I've seen
She said Peter before he died
This is actually genius and the best theory I have seen regarding this. Well done.
holy crap you got a point
They just wanted a black villain lol
9:39 This guy is forgetting the Goblin is only a wee bit weaker than Peter in terms of strength but superior in durability and endurance. He even has a better healing factor. Even in the comics, Peter doesn't hold back whenever he fights Goblin because he could always handle it.
On top of that the suit he wears enhances him even further
agreed, but this peter doesn't know all that.
He’s not more durable than Spider-Man lol
@@JacobBen94 i mean his healing factor revived him from literal death in the comics...
@@dariusbrock2713 which version ?
When Peter went into the coffee shop and noticed his girlfriend and best friends lives were "better" cause they didn't know him and he chose not to make them remember. Damn that really tugged on the heart strings. Really hoping they eventually can get their memories back someway. Although I doubt it, it's easier to write the 2 of them off especially considering that was last spiderman movie
It’s not the last Spider-Man movie he has 2 more films as spider man
I found that bogus. A major plot point was his friend telling him that they want to be in his life as spider man and how he needs to stop pushing them away. Yet what does he do, he blatantly dismissed them thinking he's helping...
@@uwuchan1250 yeah im not at all a fan of it either. Hoping doctor strange works his magic and fixes it eventually.
@@teamelite77 it is the last stand alone Spiderman movie. He will be in others but not his own.
@@trident5523 that’s false there already working on the plot for spider man 4 simple research will show you.. you think there gonna let it go after the success 3 had yea right and there so much more to do
To see Toby go against all his villains again was priceless to me. And then to have Andrew (in my mind) redeem himself as a good Spider-Man so much so he stole my attention every time he was on screen. It wasn’t loving the start of the movie but once everyone showed up, sheeeeeeeeeeeesh
I have always said he was the best actor to play Spiderman he just had bad direction in bad movies. I really hope they put him in the Venom universe. So many people say he stole the movie. I'd also like a good story explaining his parents.
@@irelandgrt And when that happens he's gonna be so happy to finally fight an alien 😄
@@irelandgrt ever since i saw this movie i have been hoping for a way to get more Andrew Garfield as Spidey and him in the Venom movies would be so good
Dude, Andrew played his character very well. He only happened to have one terrible movie.
@@VitchAndVorty I thought he was a little cocky as Peter in the Amazing Spiderman movies but I really liked how they made Spiderman a little more intimidating in the 1st one. His lighter, funnier personality in No Way Home is gold in my opinion.
another reason not every single person that knows he's peter parker was pulled in is because doctor strange said he was able to contain the spell before it went haywire meaning it probably would've sucked in more people, but stopped before it could
Yeah like MJ from Tobey Maguire Spiderman.
Plus we didn't know where they might end up. Oct and goblin were just going around, maybe. Tom was looking for the others and never found Eddie (who was not even in The US) so they might have come to his universe but returned in those two days
Yep, because at the end of the movie, when Strange loses control of the spell, we see him trying to contain it, and as he struggles to contain the spell, you can see glowing silhouettes of characters like Rhino, meaning the spell can’t be contained
@@hanisyafaah explain to me what is this version of Green goblin and Ock. They aren't the same considering they died right?
@@FredMaverik they got pulled from their universe before they died
I like how the TVA were basically the personification of all those copyright and company rules that kept all of these movie universes separate and as soon as these rules of their’s dissolved all of these alternate Company franchises start smashing together. Also that Venom explanation was phenomenal even if that version of Venom is now officially a screw up. Hopefully the MCU can now make a better more comic accurate Venom for the next movie
Hopefully this earth's Eddie can be played by Hardy too 😅🤞🏼
Venom might have been messed up but multiverse could fix it without having to have yet another reboot.
Actually Venom is pretty comic accurate to the Venom solo run of comics where he spends time in San Francisco, the only thing really missing is his Peter Parker related origin story
@@Rhitzz21 or Flash might have his run in with Venom lol
@@OelhakkahleO ohhh shiii 😍
After watching it at home, I noticed that when Peter moved into his new apartment, he has a box that reveals he’s taking his GED, so it seems like he might not have any school records. If that’s the case, Strange may have erased all traces of Peter’s existence.
My guess is the records exist, but no one knows about them. The foggy explanation, when people see the records they think, who is this? etc.
@@alanhersch4617 It might be easier to erase all proof of his existence instead of having magic constantly work at suppressing people’s memories….but hey, who said Doctor Strange did everything easy?!?
@@benjaminspears8488 It is an interesting question actually. is deleting all matter and digital evidence easier than enchanting everyone with a foggy memory? Obviously magic isnt real so hard to say. The enchanting is probably "simplier" at least. Idk either way though, again good question.
@@alanhersch4617 but keep in mind. Peter got blipped, so everyone forgetting he’s Spider-Man and also basically being erased for 6 years most likely means he never finished school nor was accounted for being blipped because no one knew him. He had no proof or record . So he probably just decided getting a GED was best for him since he didn’t have the opportunity to finish school again like he did before the spell
@@buincqv67 They already resolved that in far from home. That is post blip, and all the students are back in school etc. In no way home they are applying for college, meaning they were wrapping their senior year. That is the issue here. But yeah the explanation is simple, it is like the records exist but people just immediately forget after reading etc.
I think that Peter at the end of the movie creates his own suit because it metaphorically shows how he disconnects from his past to start a new life, and shows his evolution as a character. It shows how he moved on from his “iron boy” or “stark mascot” phase, to now create his own identity as Spider-Man. Before this movie, he didn’t had an origin (trauma), he had a lot of people who backed and helped him, and he was just an immature teen, which didn’t had a own identity or a stamp. At the end of movie he has an origin (aunt May’s death), he has no one, he has matured and learned from his mistakes (great power comes with great responsibility ), and creates his own stamp, “the neighborhood spider-man who always does everything by himself”. In this way the character matured into a more similar Peter Parker from the comics. So, In conclusion, creating his own suit metaphorically means that we will se now a new grown up Spider-Man with his background story. He is literally and metaphorically departuring from his past life to start a new one. He leaving stark industries behind. And he is also leaving his friends behind, that’s why he doesn’t want to meet them and try to have a relationship. He matured for the good. He knows his destiny. That’s why I think this Spider-Man movies is just the start and origin of the super-hero that will develop in future films.
Also the stark suit won't work with him anyway as he, as Peter Parker, no longer exists.
aside from that I now want to see at least 1 or 2 new movies with tom holland because now he can be the mature peter parker i wanted to see
@@NeroG4ming I think another trilogy has already been confirmed or said to be worked on. It will most likely be a more mature and independent spiderman without the other mcu heroes
He's gonna become friends with them again
As much slack as Tom’s Spider-Man got for being reliant on so many other characters, I like that they took 3 movies building up his arc of an independent character. It almost makes him a more complex character, where a series of events lead to his growth, not just a single moment. Opens up a lot of opportunities for the new trilogy as well :)
When Eddie's gonna talk about Spider-Man, Venom started saying "Eddie we are drunk" and started trying to get away to the conversation. So maybe Venom's scared of Peter because of what happened to the Spider-Man 3 Venom.
A quote from Venom that can also apply to SpiderMan " Oh shit! That is a red one"
Woah that makes a lot of sense
That’s what I was wondering how does Eddie Brock/ Venom know spider man is Peter Parker? And if he does what spider verse is he from?
They said venom is a hive mind so it linked from Spider-Man 3 or something like dat
@@xstriiker1418 venom gas the knowledge of the multiverse and knows things beyond his universe. As shown in venom 2
How does a piece of Venom get left behind if everything that knows Peter Parker not from the universe gets returned to its universe? Seemed a bit forced to open doors to MCU venom incarnations.
Yeah, just reviewed the Electro scene, and there's an instant when he's briefly incapacitated, Gwen calls Peter by name, and Max's eyes snap open. It's not much, but it seems possible he overheard that Spider-Man was someone named "Peter", which could've been close enough for the spell.
He could also know because he was a crazy fan for spiderman and linked all the points that peter parker the only person to get good pictures for the bugle that links peters name
Ned also mentioned that magic runs in his family and he gets that tingling sensation which Dr. Strange dismissed. Ned better be in the multiverse of madness, he's a prodigy
He better
They gonna make him into the Hob Goblin some how
@@scottzummers2812 they are?
@@scottzummers2812 bro that's so hype if its true
Idk if you seen the new spider man movie. So stop reading this if you haven’t. But If u did. You remember the part where Ned tells Peter he won’t kill him since they are best friends. And when they get to dr strange house and use that one basement he is fanboying over everything in there then he plays with the cross bow. Which is a weapon hobgoblin uses
I loved the full circle, loved Green Goblin being that final boss. And Tobey saving Osborn only for Osborn to stab him, I woulda cried hard if Tobey died
He did die
@@GG-lm1ug ??
@@GG-lm1ug no
No he did not. lol wat the heck is the point of ur lie?
@@TG-cw8gj lol it’s okay he not a true Spider-Man fan. We all know he didn’t die because in the movie they asked if he is okay and Tobey said yes I’ve been stabbed before plus spider healing so he alive lol
Q: How did Electro know Peter Parker?
A: There's a line of dialogue in No Way Home that I think explains why Electro knew who Spider-Man was but maybe didn't know what he looked like: Max says that the moment before he was pulled into this universe, he'd been dumped into the power grid and was "absorbing data." Since the power plant where they fight in The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was owned by Oscorp, and Peter Parker's father worked at Oscorp, and with all the new information Harry Osborn learned in that movie, it makes total sense that Max absorbed data that included the fact that Peter Parker was the only successful mutation and was now Spider-Man.
Such smart writing. Just ONE small line that explains a potential huge plot hole.
That’s not smart writing, that’s an assumption
@@solitary2 I think they mean that the one line (the moment before he was pulled into this universe, he'd been dumped into the power grid and was "absorbing data.") that was put in NWH explains how he knows peter parker is spider-man and why it was directly before he exploded.
Smh excuses
I think that makes sense. He would have been able to download A LOT of date being pure electricity and since all of them were transported at the moment they learned Spider-man's identity it makes sense it happened when he was downloading.
@@genxstoner8517 sure bud
I have a theory about the final spell. We, the audience, don't know the specific parameters Strange put into it, we only have a rough idea about all the "rules". In a future movie we can find out Strange added something that would allow MJ and Ned, and maybe even Strange himself, to remember under certain circumstances. Something similar was done in a Spider-man comic involving the Fantastic Four some time after One More Day. He told them his identity and they suddenly recovered all of their memories involving Peter.
I’d really like to think this would happen. Not right away, or course, because Peter can now learn how to better handle his personas. I’d like to think that Peter wouldn’t just leave the lives of the two people who anchor him, one of which he loves. We’ve seen the past love interests with Toby and Andrew. Peter deserves MJ.
It reminded me of how, in the comics, Captain America was "imprisoned" through the timeline, so, to be saved, he gave Vision a memory during an old event, and Vision remembered it in the present
Nah, the whole forgetting thing was a way for Sony to remove Spider-Man from the MCU, and will continue his movies with out avengers and on his own.
@@randyjam9925 then why make MJ and Ned forget? Sony owns their rights as well. Even if Sony/MCU deal isn't extended, getting rid of them doesn't make sense
that would be awesome
Here’s my biggest question. Does the spell at the end make everyone across the multiverse forget Peter Parker or only the Tom Holland one? Like is Tobey and Andrew gonna go back to nobody remembering them at all? Cause that’s gonna suck for MJ and Tobey. Not to mention, does that mean Franco still dies in the third film from Topher Grace? Cause he never would have turned into the new goblin now that Norman is cured. And Tobey would still have to fight Venom. Does Franco live because Dafoe is cured now? Then if Tobey is forgotten as Peter Parker, wouldn’t MJ and Harry be dating more than likely? That’s gonna break Tobey’s heart. God they could make a whole new Sam Raimi trilogy off of that.
I really hope not. So messy
Think of it like the TVA pruning that Peter Parker. All memory of that Peter is erased.
I like to think it would be instanced for "this" Peter Parker. Name and face go hand in hand for MCU spiderman, especially for the spell. The initial spell that Strange attempted only went awry due to the changes by MCU Peter's meddling, but the new spell most likely accounted, by Strange, for the current universe's Peter as well as to fix the initial issues the previous spell caused, if using the simplest understanding. Granted, magic can be pretty blase with its "purpose" as per writer's arguements.
thats a freaking good question
I think not. It was Holland's Peter Parker identity that caused the problem and attracted everyone in his reality. Everyone that knew who Peter Parker was to their universe were attracted to MCU universe because the spell had as a parameter Holland's Peter Parker identity that was exposed. Dr. Strange wouldn't need to apply the spell for the multiverse. Even if he did (and could), the spell would work for Holland's identity specifically as this was the main problem. The worst case scenario is that other Spidermen and ex-villans would forget about Holland's PP identity.
The other thing about forgetting peter in the beginning is we see examples of how it works with Happy. Anything that cannot simply be removed instead becomes attributed to Spiderman directly, I imagine most "physical" evidence begins to point to spiderman instead now. However Peter himself may have a few things he could actually explain to people, but without intervention they will only know Spiderman
Peter couldve asked strange to just make the world forget mysterio revealing spidermans identity
@@roastedfroggy4262 Fr there were so many things they could have done but they chose the most damaging one for plot
I think the physical evidence is gone, which is why Peter needs to take his GEDS
@@MinuteLeech2 that makes a lot more sense now for why he had that. All records of his life are gone
@@MinuteLeech2 It could just be that he needed to drop out of High School though. He's gonna have to pay the rent somehow, after all. And he'd probably struggle to get the flat I the first place without any documentation of his existence.
Electro said in the movie he was trapped in the grid, “Absorbing Data” possibly including data on Spider-Man which may have allowed him to learn his name
Yeah because he said he was absorbing power and then realized that if he would’ve stayed he would’ve died.
This is exactly what I was thinking! I was specifically looking for someone to point this out. BTW I cried in this movie--so good!! The theater was packed, unlike for Westside Story 2 Fridays ago...
by that logic many people in Amazing verse know that Peter is Spiderman because that data is available so it could have been accessible to more people and they should have also gotten pulled into the MCU.
@@varunnayyar3138 but it was said by dr strange that not everyone got pulled in just a few of them before he managed to contain it
Yes!
In the movie when the villains are talking about what they last remembered, Electro said he was gathering energy and data. I think he found out that Spider-man was Peter Parker through some data on the cloud.
Maybe Peter had designs for a new suit on his phone, or a spicy spider selfie for gwen that got stored on the cloud.
or he could have learned through harry. they worked together right? must have read harry's emails or something judging from how terrible oscorp security is
@@todd3143 Yeah, I didn't think of that. that is a good possibility though.
@@todd3143 Harry didn't know either until Electro was dead
@@SchrodingersGun he was gathering energy/power at the oscorp power plant, he didn't know shit, and he still call peter spiderman that means he didn't know he was peter
@@SchrodingersGun he said in nwh, the last thing he remember is he absorbing data and turning it into an energy to blast spiderman but he vanished but in tasm 2 he died, without knowing peter parker is spiderman
I’ve a couple of questions: After giving the villains second chances, will that affect the separate Spidey realities and timelines or will it be like the Endgame rules in which it just branches off different realities?
My second question is will both Tobey and Andrew and the reformed villains remember everything that happened and will they all still remember Tom Holland’s Peter?
It creates paradoxes. Norman will stop Otto thus Doc Ock will not exist. Same goes for Connors saving Max. Sandman might still be Sandman. But these are still paradoxes that have an incredible high chance
in instances like your second question don't they normally forget but if that were to happen wouldn't they wonder why they are changed/cured when just 'moments' ago they weren't.
I'm not answering the question well, I'm creating more. Sorry.
So many questions that we'll maybe never receive answers for. Like why did Peter show up on the highway and just casually takes his suite off then on again when Ock shows up right in front of everybody even a news station chopper right above? Doctor Strange just his used his spell to make the world forget...
How Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire were bought into the MCU will stay with me forever. Simply perfect 👏🏻
So basically, Tobey's Spider-Man IS the first MCU movie
@@Diamout21 MCM*
@@Daikon_Micucci oh yeah right
It was so good bruh
@@Daikon_Micucci whats mcm
I think the reason Tom was able to beat Dr Strange was because strange wasn’t taking him very seriously. Throughout the scene you can see in his face he was doing minimal effort to get the cube back and keeps calling him kid. Like he’s just some kid that ran off with daddy’s keys or something. He even rolls his eyes several times.
I agree. Dr. Strange is arrogant and feels superior to his physician peers so he definitely sees Peter as a kid who hasn’t got a clue. To his defense, Spidey always had Tony Stark with him, and his own abilities were never fully displayed. Peter grew up in this show. Strange finally realized his worth before forgetting him forever.
He does a big sigh at point as well as if to say "This kid... I swear to God"
I was half expecting him to say "I'm gonna count to 3"
also tom knows geometry.
Actually, all super heroes always doing minimum effort. The heroes who goes no kill if you can, actually
He was pulling his punches cause he was fighting a kid
The way Electro described where he came from makes it seem like he was from the ending of Tasm2 and he didn’t realise he was gonna die. But he also says something about being in the grid absorbing data. Maybe Oscorp had a file on Peter Parker because they were already looking into Gwen so maybe on a file somewhere it says Peter is the boyfriend of Gwen and like how Harry made the connection that Peter was Spider-Man because of Gwen being there Electro could have made the same connection as he had met Gwen earlier in the movie so knew what she looked like
I think you guys are going way into it.... Maybe he just thought that spiderman was a black guy...... And knew that Spiderman's name in other universes is Peter Parker too because of the convos they all are having?
Well he knew everything about spiderman more or less so I wouldn’t find it hard to believe he knew who he was once he could access every bit of tech…
Max realized he was about to die when that was his last memory like Doc Oct.
Yes! This! Exactly this!
there’s actually an entire sub plot about oscorp following peter and keeping that exact file of him that was cut from the amazing spider-man 2. loads of deleted scenes from both of those films. u can see some of it in the trailers
Here's a plot hole that a lot of people overlook: when Doc Ock first saw the Green Goblin on the freeway, he immediately identified him as Norman Osborn. How could he have possibly know this? Green Goblin's identity was never made public, not even his own son found out about it until later. _Maybe_ you could say that Ocatvius figured it out for himself because him and Osborn were peers of sorts and so he was familiar with his tech, but that would he a Hell of a thing to keep to himself!
You answered your own question
Its said that Otto and Norman were close when they were in the basement. Plus you gave yourself the answer, they’re familiar with each others tech which is how he would have figured it out.
@@remuvs Still a Hell of a thing to keep to himself though. I mean if he figured it out while the Green Goblin was on his rampage, that means he was knowingly withholding evidence from the authorities. Imagine if Spider-Man hadn't saved those people on the tram; their deaths would be on his conscience before he even became a villain.
Not to mention this also raises the question as to why Harry wasn't able to figure out his identity after he took over Oscorp and would have found out about all that tech.
Sandman did mention that norman was the green goblin and he heard that he was killed by his own glider. His identity could have been revealed publicly after Harry's death because they shared similar tech and he was pretty well known as being Normans son.
@@AtariDad the goblin tech itself was hidden. Remember it was a prototype at the time
When it comes to Electro, he died in TASM2. He mentions how he was pretty much one with the grid before being overloaded. No way does he get recruited later on to be part of the Sinister 6. He would have remembered that. Maybe he learned of Peter's Identity when connected to the grid, becoming one with all data and connected with Peter or Gwen's cellphone etc. I dunno.
Oh yeah you right, i totally forgot that he died cause i was so invested in his explanation. But it could still make sense tho, since he said that he was at the point of being pure energy then died. So its like he is now just energy, therefore could be easy for someone to just revived him.
Wait wait no, cause if he was revived then he would've remembered. Oh yeah it doesnt make sense lol, his explanation is wrong
But Electro didn't recognize Peter when he took off the mask. If he was really connected to the grid, he should have surely seen a photo of Peter and even then this theory about the grid is just us making excuses for the filmmakers.
Except Electro couldn't die because he became pure energy, and energy can be neither created nor destroyed.
@@enterthekyuubi even if he didnt die, he still didnt know who peter is so doesnt really explain why he's being sucked in
The part when all of the villains were in the dungeon, Electro calls The Lizard by his real name, Dr Curt Connors. However, Doc Ock didn't say anything despite him knowing of a Dr Curt Connors in his own universe.
There is a Curt Connors in the Raimiverse but he never turned himself into the Lizard. Though judging by Curt’s missing arm in Spider-Man 3, that was a route they were going to take if SM4 hadn’t been cancelled.
Ock could be playing his cards closer to the vest at that point. He's a supervillain trying to escape a wizard's dungeon.
They (electro and lizard) also don't say anything about having a Norman Osborn there thats not from they universe. And i think its cool, we all get it that theres distincted versions of the same person around the multiverse
I was absolutely blown away when you talked about the Venom post-credits scene. I can't believe that I didn't link the fact that it was literally the *moment* he got a glimpse of hive knowledge that he was pulled in! Awesome detail!
The plot hole is WHEN he got pulled in though.. days before the spell.
@@DarkDeathEvilChannel What do you mean days before the spell?
@@Hobby_Technology when venom shows up, its when peter first is revealed on the news. Peter the has the cops to deal with, and how ever long it took for the college applications to come back before he asks for the spell to happen.
@@DarkDeathEvilChannel I'm not trying to "well, actually" you but if you check out the venom post-credits scene and the end of far from home, those are clearly different clips of The Daily Bugle. It wasn't when Jameson first revealed Peter, he was just talking about Peter and his "Web of Lies."
Jameson was probably talking about Peter every single moment he was on air for weeks because it's the biggest thing The Daily Bugle had going for it.
That's' how heavy the information was.
Theory: When Matt Murdock meets Peter Parker, he will be able to realise that he is Spider Man, in spite of the forgetting spell - because he recognizes people by their heartbeat patterns. Matt may have forgotten Peter, but he still knows SM's pattern and could connect the dots
He knows Peter’s heartbeat pattern but he doesn’t know Spider Man’s, and he’s forgotten that it’s Peter’s. Unless he meets both Peter and Spider Man separately he won’t be able to know.
No just no
When Flint talked about seeing Norman's death on the news, he mentions it being from his glider. In SM3 Harry doesn't find out this until Bernard tells him, at the climax of the movie. If the tidbit about Norman's glider killing him was on the news, why didn't Harry know exactly what happened? Continuity error
Because he saw Spiderman bringing back his father's dead body on his house
@@Ymir-Cverkov69 then how did that information Bernard gave him change his mind
@@tbugtreybob Well if you watch the full SM3 and payed attention then you’ll know why he did that
@@_TipsyTim what? Plain and simple plot inconsistency here. It spins the logic of the story around itself because it was mishandled. Makes no sense for otto to know that
@@_TipsyTim Bernard did forensics on the glider... he didn't learn the info from the news... you mean to tell me he told the news what happened to norman and not Harry? There's no way around this one.
Moral of the story: bringing Andrew and Tobey into this was the best thing they ever did! Andrew was absolutely hilarious they made his SPIDER-MAN more light-hearted and I loved that! Tobey is the dad of all of them the really was the cherry on top! The og Peter 1‼️
Edit: Andrew’s Spider-Man has always been comical! He’s a great actor and he shows sadness so well!
Moral… es MORALES
I think Tobey was labeled as "Peter 2" though during the fight.
@@TommonSensePro yes bc Tom named himself Peter 1
@@elijahmac2253 I see what you did there🕷
The three of them bantering back and forth was so awkward and funny at the same time. I love it.
To everyone confused about the spell I have a pretty good theory about it. The original spell involved the world forgetting Tom's Peter being Spider-Man goes out of control and breaches into the multiverse, which means that Tom's Peter's identity is the focal point of the spell because he was the only Peter Parker at the time of the spell. But at the end of the movie, he asks Dr Strange to make everyone forget him, causing the spell to complete it's cycle since it applied specifically to only his Peter in the first place. Proof is that Dr Strange tells Peter that "they are coming through because of you" meaning only Tom's Peter's identity needed to be reset for the first spell to stop.
Why couldn’t strange make a spell that made everybody forget about what Mysterio did that way Peter identity would have never been release?
@@rc3311 cuz Peter didn't ask?🤷🏾♂️😭
@@rc3311 holy shit out of every detail and plot hole in this entire movie.. this is the one. Why the fuck didn't he just think of this
@@jaceval3439 I guess to go with the "careful what you wish for" clause. But that is hella interesting to think about.
@@Oros-LordofCinders ik I think that this movie is the best when it comes to excitement and hype but this story and whole movie is just avoidable by switching a few words
The only thing that I'm still unclear on is how did Otto know that Norman was Green Goblin when he first showed up? Because the secret of Norman's identity what drove Harry to hate Spider-Man, since he and nobody else knew that Norman was a super villain.
Because the movie is badly written.
The only explanation: after the funeral, Peter told Harry “don’t watch the news. Like ever again”. While he made a promise not to tell Harry, that didn’t mean he couldn’t spill the beans to the rest of the world.
My personal Theory about Electro is that he is still there when Harry and Peter fight each other in Amazing Spider-Man 2.
He's made of electricity, you can't really destroy energy; just change it's form. So if he was still running around as ethereal energy when he hears Harry figure out that Spider-Man is Peter Parker... boom.
not bad but kinda underrated
didn't harry tell him who spider man was
@@lukemendez7308 Harry didn't find out till after electro overloaded
@@lukemendez7308 No, Harry didn't even figure it out until after Electro got zapped.
Also, Electro said that right when he was pulled from his reality he was absorbing data, some of that data could have been from some secret database that had Spiderman's identity listed. Just another possibility.
Well why was Gwen dead to the Andrew’s Spider-Man when he said he lost his gf? She died when Spider-Man was fighting Harry’s goblin
@@tienevo8904 Because the villains were pulled before they died. And Tobey and Andrew got pulled in the present (2023-2024, I’m not sure)
@Miles Doyle Neat stuff, yeah yeah - but just, remind me what He did, during the Inquisition, exactly? What were His priorities, and was he distracted, or not? Who was loved there.
And who puts a world into jeopardy in the first place, with inadequately educated stewards, or ill prepared ones, and gives a rat's arse what a nutty angel thought of Job? Give it some thought, or try elsewhere, thanks.
@@fsuarezj3367 but sandman never died
Quick question concerning the Venom tie-in (spoiler alert, obviously): why would a piece of Venom still remain after the spell was cast sending him back to his universe? Wouldn't the spell send all of Venom/Brock back to his reality? What's so special about the small drip left on the bar that the spell wouldn't impact it?
I dont know maybe something about the multiverse or that bit that was left behind wasnt connected to the symboite web or maybe its just that it wasnt connected to eddie and it would only go back if connected to him maybe. Not sure did wonder the same thing. Either way it will set up dark symboite peter cause Im just gonna assume hes not going to be in a good mood the next time we see him.
It's possible this could be a spawn of venom, like carnage was. Thus, since the spawn was "born in this universe" and "doesn't know peter parker" the spell wouldn't affect it.
Could also have to do with the "hive mind" thing that got them here in the first place. That race could still exist in this universe, so while the spell sent all of Venom that was connected to Brock away, it could have left the bit that was separated since it's part of the alien hive mind.
Everyone that had some sort of relation to Spiderman/Peter. That glob of Symbiote didn't.
maybe another venom offspring
Venom is a Multiversal being. All Venoms across the Multiverse share a hive memory. Venom told Eddie about it in second Venom film. Toby's Venom is the reason they knew who Peter was and the suit breeds by replicating itself. Its a birth of a new venom
I like the fact that Venom ACTUALLY knows Peter/Spidey because Venom knows his identity in the Raimi movie.
Thanks for explaining that!👍🏽
i really like the ending actually , if you have seen the interview with defoe , he said that goblin is there to make a point in spiderman's life and to pass a philosophy and he actually got though spiderman in the last battle , so now peter will struggle to make friends and involve people in his heroic life,
thats the original peter we have been watching in all sony movies, but since this one was too young to understand that now he does.
My biggest gripe is why a random employee of Damage Control knew Nick Fury is alive and that he was in Space. When Peter tried to use Fury as an alibi I was expecting Damage Control to reply that Fury has been dead for years. Am I missing something that reversed Fury faking his death? And while Damage Damage Control was a part of Shield at some point, following CA:TWS it was brought into the US government. Why does a random government employee know so much about Fury. Unless this was a set up for Secret Invasion and the damage control guy was a Skrull.
May be it was set for Secret Invasion, or may be it's simply in the end of the movie, when Nat made all SHIELD data public, data about Fury's fake death were leaked as well (this happened after he revealed he's still alive to Pierce), or simply the DODC has a wider intelegent knowledges than we thought.
Remember he was in Tony's funeral so everybody there must know he's alive, including Ross and Pym.
It could be that the guy was actually Nick fury himself, you never know 😅
@@meganesenpai But Fury's fake death was at the ending of that movie, so he did that after everything was revealed.
Well damage control is into superhero things, Cleary probably knows more information than most in damage control as well
Not to mention if strange's spell erased shield database.
I'm assuming shield knows who Spidey is.
The ending feels like a hard reset . He ends up in an apartment listening to a police scanner with his regular suit .
6:17 He can't use his Stark suit anymore because they were tech suits that relied on recognizing his bio-profile. Remember Karen?
The suit AI doesn't know who Peter is, therefore the suit locks him out of its functions.
I can see how this is possible, but the spell Dr Strange cast was for people to forget he was spiderman, not AI. However we dont know if he included AI or not
@@ozzysummerall2501 the spell at the beginning had that purpose. The spell at the end, Dr. Strange basically erased Peter Parker. Which is why he had to get his documents remade and has to get his G.E.D.
Lmao nah spells don’t work on machines. That’s so dumb
@@UNCfanatic50 Why wouldn't they.
@@devika2545 the same reason Jedi mind tricks don’t work on droids. They don’t have actual minds/brains
Electro was explicitly pulled from a moment when he was about to blow up. The combover being gone might be from how he transformed from an energy being back into flesh - becoming sort of his own mental image realized.
i think they just felt like doing a redesign they didn't really care about the logic
@@The_MEMEphis No, there was logic. His teeth got fixed when he got transformed, and his entire demeanor changed when he became Electro. When he arrived in the MCU, he was still energy and was turned back into flesh. The Lizard comments that he used to look different.
It's pretty clear that becoming Electro has changed his appearance, and that was the case long before this movie.
@@muntu1221 so it fixed his hair to and gave him a fade
@@The_MEMEphis Lol its a bit over-convenient, but he looked fresh af so I let it slide
@@brones9688 yeah just doesn't feel like the same character I understand why they redesigned him and his character tho
Ryan: "it didn't change reality, it changed people's view of reality"
Dr Strange: "we're messing with the fabric of reality, Peter"
You should consider that perhaps:
One’s perception of reality, itself, is what creates it.
It can be argued that people’s view of reality IS the fabric of reality. This is because it is unknown whether or not reality exists independently outside the perception of one’s consciousness.
@@vwchampTube
That would be super cool if it was in any way correct.
The universe exists whether we perceive it or not. All of reality does not function by the same properties that quantum mechanics do. Observing a rock does not change it.
@@OverlordZenith that’s not entirely true, Research objective reality
@@xxzitionxxogsongs3085
The totally speculative theoretical idea with no empirical evidence? I have.
@@OverlordZenith ok bud
I noticed one when the 5 villains were talking to each other after they'd initially been captured:
Max calls Connors by his name, and Otto doesn't react. In the original Spider-Man 2 we learn that Curt and Otto were friends, so you'd think that Otto would be surprised to learn that the Lizard was actually someone he knew
Oh wow I didn’t notice that
Ohhh shit yeah
Well then, TASM Curt nd Electro should have also reacted to Otto calling Osborn by his name, since they also have a Norman in their universe
He’s a genius scientist that was already aware he was in a different universe. He would know it wasn’t the Connors of his universe.
@@always_serpico you would still be shocked to find what happened to an alt version of your best friend tho right
I think that Strange’s original spell is still in effect, meaning as soon as people start to realize Peter is Spider-Man again, the world starts to collapse again. So any hopes of everything going back to the way they were before NWH might be dead on arrival. It’s best that the amount of living people who know be kept as close to zero as possible.
One of my biggest problems with the story is why didn't Dr Strange just wait to listen to Peter's request for the spell before conjuring it? We already know Dr Strange was quite empathetic towards Peter's situation, yet he never tried to give him personal advice first? Kind of strange of Dr Strange to act worringly towards Peter yet blame him for ruining a spell that caused rips in the fabric of time
Good Point. I totally thought it was going to be a fake spell and Strange was going to do a Christmas Carol/Its A Wonderful Life thing to teach Peter a lesson. Seems extremely irresponsible to cast such a powerful spell based on the whim of a teenager.
@@scalzmoney yeah, and why let him know all the bad things WHILE he is casting it? At that point you are begging for him to intervene
Yeah man if they just sat down first I think they would’ve covered everything and maybe even figure out another way. This movie was dumb I’m sad to say. So you mean NOBODY wrote down that Pete is Spider-Man somewhere?
@@cp-sh9nj I mean that part makes sense, the spell made it so that the reality of people knowing Peter Parker as Spider-Man was deleted. That could also mean that any physical evidence of Peter Parker is alternated or simply removed
@@sunnysideggo2821 maybe. But then Peter should have also forgotten he was Spider-Man. That would have made it interesting at the end. I dunno man I really didn’t like this movie. Just a big wink to the cameras. Was pretty excited for it but I don’t get why anyone likes it. In any sequel if his mask slips off that just undoes the whole thing.
The best part about writing these movies is when you make a mistake, the fans fix them for you and all you have to do is say "yeah, thats what happened"
Was the name of Flash Thompson’s Book “The Flashpoint” a reference to the DC Universe Flash’s the Flashpoint where he reversed time and all that jazz to erase or correct events?🤔
I guess
So, in theory, if the haywired spell caused everyone that knew Peter Parker was Spider-Man to come into the same universe, regardless of them dying in their respective timeline/universe, wouldn't that mean that Tony Stark and Mysterio could have come back?
plot...
No because those people are dead. Time doesn't correlate between dimensions. That is established. When pulling from another one you could pull from any time. That's why all the people from other dimensions were pulled from different points in the timeline.
No because doc ock and green goblin was dead so
@@alphanerd7221 half of the villains that came in were dead too
@@mattiaserra1179 No. They died at some point in their universe. From the perspective of the MCU they are both alive and dead, as one universe reaching into another can reach any time. The people dead in the MCU are just dead.
The Electro pothole answer:
Gwen was yelling Peter a bunch and I'm pretty sure Electro heard. Even if he didn't he was gathering data where he probably found out in there. As for the change in appearance , it's because he literally became pure electricity and could reincarnate his physical form however he wanted to look like. Apparently Max liked the Jamie Foxx drip so he came out with the fade and shape up. All he was missing was the sneakers and Supreme clothes.
It's also not a stretch to say that Harry mentioned it. He does tell Peter (Andrew) when he's cured that he knew Peter was a kid from Queens, but assumed he was black.
@@kevinglusing3797 Harry didn't know until after Electro died
Don't forget Peter carries around a camera that says property of Peter Parker LOL
The appearance part doesn't make any sense. What does electricity have to do with reincarnation?
@@Charliezard7 If you remember, when Max fell into the tank and got zapped by the eels, the energy (laughably) fixed his teeth. So on some level, he can make improvements on his physical appearance.
It's weird, but is technically canon.
There is one where Sandman says he saw the news of Norman as the Green Goblin being killed by his own glider but that makes no sense because his death was kept secret from the public. Spidey carried his body back to his home and Norman had a proper funeral where Harry didn’t even know his dad was the Goblin until SM2. And even then it took SM3 for the butler to tell Harry that he found out that Norman was killed by his own glider. And this is definitely the same Sandman up until the end of SM3 because he’s initially cool with the Spidey he thinks he knows.
As for Electro, that also doesn’t make sense he knew Peter was Spidey. This is not an Electro that lived to find out Spidey’s identity later on because his memories revealed to himself that he was about to die at the same end fight from TASM2. Everything up until that point should have remained the same.
The writer clearly didn't watch the first five movies when making NWH, which is wierd cause as a fan I watched all five cause there's a chance they'll show up.
Also Doc Ock immediately recognised Norman Osborne as Goblin but he shouldn't know that either.
@@namelessmonster2583 oh man, I didn't think about that too even though that discrepancy is just as big haha
@@namelessmonster2583 Doc Ock only recognizes Norman bc they're both scientists.
Also Electro said he was absorbing data, which means he could've absorbed that Peter was spiderman. As for the plothole of sandman knowing that he was impaled by his own blade not sure where that could be covered. They all could be variants as well, pulled from different universes so it's possible sandman could've been made aware that Norman was impaled. There's not a crazy ton of plot holes in these...
When Peter's spirit was separated from his body the first thing I thought was that his spidey sense + muscle memory is making him move.
Right?! I thought that was super obvious but Peter also said Idk when asked how he’s doing it instead of saying it’s my tingle. So I figure Ryan is right and it’s spidey sense but throughout the multiverse. Which works bc Venom has a similar trait and Spider-Man and Venom have always been two sides of the same coin
We can clearly see the wavy curve thingies coming out of Peter's Astral form. I rewatched the movie today after watching Ryan's breakdown and noticed that.
@@anupamtiwari5587 yea i didnt see them at first so that was a good catch. I want to go rewatch once the crowds die down
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What I thought of was how spiders still have reflexive actions, even shortly after death.
I’ve rewatched Toby Mcguire’s Spiderman and it seems like both Doc Ock & Peter definitely knew who Dr Curtis Connors is as he was just a regular professor in Toby’s universe, not a lizard. But in NWH, Doc Ock doesn’t seem to react to that name when Electro mentions it during the dungeon scene.
Good catch. We can probably explain that away with, do you remember everyone's name that you have ever met? A little dumb but it would explain it. Doc Ock being who he is, he probably met hundreds of people a month.
@@alanhersch4617 That doesn't work because Otto and Curt do talk to each other. Curt even told Otto about Peter. "Brilliant but Lazy".
@@Stellermeerkat Is that enough of an interaction to distinctly remember the man? I agree it isnt perfect but it isnt unreasonable either. 2 other layers, first, if he did remember dr connors, but does this one look VERY different, and it is a common last name, so we could go there as well. Second, the idea of a universal cannon here is problematic for many reasons, so these might no be EXACTLY the same spidermen we know from the previous films, but rather alternate SLIGHTLY different ones. Now this is the most boring explanation but since they never outright say which earth from the multiverse the characters come from, we cant know for sure if these are the ones from the previous franchises. Again I hate that explanation so I am fine ignoring it, but is worth mentioning.
My wife actually came up with a good question. So after the spell that makes everyone forget Peter Parker...does that apply to MCU Peter only? Or does it also apply to Tobey and Andrew as well? Do people in their universe forget who Peter Parker is?
@@beckybickersteth2320 he said it only affects tom, which is why everyone was coming into the mcu universe. he said specifically “everyone will forget YOU across all universes”
@@bluemarty8362 Oh, I definitely didn't hear that part, wrote a fucking essay just to be clowned on lmfao
@@beckybickersteth2320 not 'clowned on', just proven wrong, but dont feel bad cause that's just how the theorizing process works! It's alright, you did a good part
@@beckybickersteth2320 don't feel bad. Happens to everyone. That's why I like to watch movies two times.
@@beckybickersteth2320 nah man believe me thats not what getting clowned on is
Here is what I believe. In No Way Home, Electro says he had no idea how he got there, he just followed the change in electricity, because the electricity in the MCU was more powerful, so as the shift happened in the multiverse, he just followed along to the most powerful force he could feel.
"Electricity in MCU was stronger" wtf are talking l
@@wankmaster69 in the movie electro mentions “I never have felt this much power” or something and how he likes it in the mcu
lol just bring michael j foxx to the mcu then XD jk
Well stark tech probably is a better power source
@@who7950 He ONLY says "this much power" in reference to the Arc Reactor. While referencing the universe's power, he says it feels different and that he likes it.
The only other thing I'm wondering is why exactly Flint Marco couldn't just return to his "human" appearance at any other point in the movie and it's only once he gets cured that he regains his true appearance again. I guess a working theory I have is that maybe the spell pulling him into the MCU might have destabilized his molecular structure enough that he couldn't fully form himself to look like his true human form, the humanoid looking body of sand was probably the best thing he could manage in his then-current state. If my theory about Electro is plausible enough, then this case probably works on a similar basis, only in this case it doesn't necessarily suggest that Flint was on the verge of dying, as the spell didn't seem to discriminate between "doomed to die" and "still alive" as long as the people knew who Peter was. Flint's unstable form just would have been a byproduct of the spell as opposed to some other event going on in his original universe.
I really like your interpretation about Sandman, it’s a good way to explain that issue story-wise. Outside of the movie, however, I’m pretty sure the reason for him to be always on sand form is because the actor could not be present during filming and just recorded voice lines for the film. That shot of him being cured and back to his human form was an archived clip from Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man 3, specifically the scene where he fights Spider-Man in the subway.
@Dylan MacBride The 2nd No that's THC.
Or, it was simply a visual thing, a way to make the scene of him getting cured more impacting, as we would be finally seeing his human form again.
Adding to this, there's another important reason, aging and cgi, it doesn't makes sense for someone like Sandman to age!
And it really seems like they used CGI for his human form at the end of the movie, I think this makes a lot of sense.
They probably couldn't get the original flint lol even when he turns back to normal it's just the same scene from spider-man 3
Actually the actor who played sand man never showed at the set. They had his voice from last raimi movie and they used those old footages in this one when he was cured. Rest of the time he walks and talks is totally CGI. When I first saw him getting cured and returning to his human form i was shock about how similar this footage is from the previous movie but actually its just a footage from previous movie only there were no new shoots for sandman
With the Doc Ock thing as well, I like to think that Electro thought he damaged the new chip after electrocuting Otto and throwing him out the window.
Electro said in the movie that he was taken from the point where he was absorbing energy fighting Spider-Man, so he couldn’t have been taken from a future point
And absorbing data, iirc. So one of those data points connected Peter to Spidey.
Electro's keyword is he was "absorbing data" before he realized that he was in MCU. It maybe a forced writing, but it was meant to explain how Electro gained the knowledge about Peter Parker and Spider-Man.
Yh
Just re-watch Amazing Spider-Man he figures it out way before that... it's right in front of everybody's face you'll never believe you missed it once you see it Gwen Stacy calls Spider-Man Peter right in front of him
@@ogre8520 oh yeah Peter Parker is the only Peter in the city then... right?
@@Charliezard7 he knows peter and gwen personally before all that... you dont think its that hard to figure out after that even the expression electro makes after tells you he just figured out something big.
@@ogre8520 well he doesn't show signs of knowing this still. So it's safe to assume he discovers it when he sees them together
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For Peter not having his Nanotech suit at the end of the movie, my cousin actually mentioned something I thought was interesting.
After Strange wiped any memory of Peter Parker, Peter would lose the Nanotech suit since when Tony made it, the suit knew it was designed for Peter. So, now not having any memory of him, Peter would lose access to that suit, therefore making his own once again.
That makes sense, the same would go for edith or any ai(s) designed for peter
@@piyushshedke9735, true!
Not necessarily, it was designed for Peter but also for his alter-ego Spider-Man, so some things may still work for him on the basis that they recognize him as Spider-Man but no longer know his name is Peter.
they aren't living organisms so the spell likely doesn't apply to them. i certainly wouldn't include them in the word "everyone" that Strage uses to explain the spell to Peter. If the spell does include them somehow, then I agree with your comment completely
@@Greennoob2 considering that there must be video or paper new that say peter is spider man i'll assume it applied to everything that involved identity
I believe the 2 spell is much simplier to explain: it affected space and time, just like the first one, which picked every enemy at a different time and brought them to the same time, in a different reallity. So, it erased the memory of who Peter is in each mind from the point they would know him for the first time, so that person would not create any kind of information about him. I think thats the only way to make it a "clean" spell.
His new suit, in the end of the movie, is a rite of passage and pays homage to the other 2 Peters who saved him from a dark path. It has both logos.
Questioning the Stark tech owning Otto's tech is kinda silly: Otto great achievment was almost creating a car-size reactor... Tony created the Arc Reactor from random parts. Cmon, guys.
Well i mean it's Tony vs. Otto cmon bruh. Tony is way more inteligent than otto will ever be. I mean I don't see Otto with a multi billion dollar company that specializes in breakthrough technologies in his universe😌 so
@@devingarza7573 Even then his tech being able to absorb the Nanites they encountered for the first time was a great touch. It shows what Otto could make if he wasnt so focused on the sun in the palm of his hands.
Afterall, He has 4 giant extremely durable robotic arms, with perfectly adaptable AI, and doesnt suffer from lack of energy at all.
Nor suffers from their weight, which means they are not as heavy as they would be.
Ofcourse he is not as smart as Tony, but he would be one of the closest to contest him IF they worked on the same field.
@@Kronosfobi and, Peter had to develop shock-proof webbing to even FIGHT Electro. And powered up Electro was beating them up quite a bit... But Otto's arms, created to survive the harsh treatment of the SUN, a mass of Heat and Electrical Energy, just effortlessly dealt with him. Goblin could only cut the arm by attacking the joints
Only plot hole I didn’t understand was when Dr. strange sent everybody back, why was there a piece of venom stayed behind. Wouldn’t everything disappear
Venom consumes matter and creates more of himself. The blob left behind could be actual matter from the MCU that Venom had ingested and turned into more of himself, and when he was sent back the MCU created Venom material could have stayed behind.
@@alphanerd7221 Oh so basically he created it in that universe and because it was created in that universe it stayed there.
@@brothsipper-h5o Maybe.
If that happens marvel can’t hype everyone up for the next Spider-Man movie
@@gumcuardian7737 true
Not sure if this counts as a question or not.... But since Tobey & Andrew are technically part of the Marvel Cinematic Multiverse.... Does That mean Spider-Man (2002) is the very first MCU movie ?
i mean...retroactively sure. but in reality no lol
Then x-men will be the first after dr strange
@@Tarriq Oh yeah X-men was released in 2000 : D
YESNO
@Raunak Mitra - Hyper-ion mcu is 199999.
11:25 And during the final fight scene, Ned tried really hard & was trying to force the portal to shut but he couldn't, further proving your point
The very big missed opportunity on marvels part was when Peter was mentioning the avengers. Another Peter could have understood and said "oh like the x-men".
I don’t think any of the peters have the X-men in their respective universe
Was really wishing someone said, "Oh the Ultimates?"
I thought that Peter stopped using the Stark Tech suit because he couldn’t. The spell that Strange made at the end also made technology not know who Parker is which is needed for the Stark tech suit
Peter was smart enough to hack the suit in Homecoming.
That makes total sense… Thanks for that
@@LordShrub They only took the training wheels off. I'm sure he couldn't be in the suit if the suit didn't recognize him.
Also he probably wanted to avoid getting sued by using Stark Tech. Without Pepper knowing him all agreements wrote on Peter Parker's name probably stop existing and if they were made on spiderman's name every cosplayer could go and take anything since the world doesn't know and can't confirm who is the real Spiderman
@@LordShrub The suit was made to let him unlock everything eventually. I am pretty sure if it was Ned or anyone else Tony doesn't know trying to do that he would have half of the S.H.I.E.L.D barging into his place in 5 minutes
Just a thought... If Venom (Tom Hardy's venom) was brought over to the MCU because of the symbiote hive mind, doesn't that technically mean that 'all' venoms could have been teleported into the MCU as well? Meaning more than one version/variant of Venom was present during the events of No Way Home?
They probably could have, but the spell was contained after 6 anomalies.
@@kevinglusing3797 Oh yeah that’s right, that could be it. But damn I’d like to imagine a whole lot of venoms in one film. That wld be crazyyyyyy…
that was happening at the end, when doctor strange said he couldnt stop them
This event is basically like a 'snap'.
Anything that comes into the MCU would be a result of the snap or this multiverse pull. They could literally use this to piggyback off anything, xmen, etc.
Im still hoping for a real Taskmaster lol
@@slayerbot1394 instead we got task mistress brainwashed wanna be master
I don’t understand how Tobey, once he came from the portal, grew up, maybe cuz the actor himself but Doc Ock said once he saw Tobey: “look how much have you grown”. And earlier in the movie, he said: “I grabbed Peter with my tentacles then…I came here”. So maybe the younger Tobey from ock’s universe was still going but maybe they time traveled
And also Idk how Ock knew Norman was Green Goblin, and maybe it brought Norman back to life but the thing is, Ock also said when he was trapped: “you died years ago” so he knew in a way he was gonna time travel
I didn’t consider Electro to be a plot hole although I was wondering how he knew Peter Parker was Spider-Man. This guy does a good job of explaining it fully
Electro hears someone call Andrew Peter at the end of Amazing Spider-Man movie
electro said he was "absorbing data" before he died
The problem with your Electro explanation is that Electro specifically talks about what he was doing before he got pulled into this universe and he was describing what we see in amazing Spiderman 2
Just watched the movie a second time. I’m pretty sure you can see venom during the initial spell casting scene when it breaks reality. In the same sort of spectral form like you can see Kraven and Scorpion at the end.
Venom is a Multiversal being. Every Venom across the entire multiverse share a hive memory. Venom in the second movie even tell Eddie they have 80 Million Lights Years of Hive Multiversal Memories. Venom was there because Toby's Venom knew his identity so all Venom on some level know.
He isn't aware of their actions and stuff but they all share the same stored memory pool
@@werejustgaming is that true? The only way they could make sense is if knull is a one of a kind being , like there isn’t other version of him , since darkness exists everywhere.
@@santi_super_stunts2573 It's true.
Why would you watch this garbage low effort movie TWICE?
Another answer to 11:39:
When Peter was interfering, he said he still wanted his *best friend* and *girlfriend* to still know his identity. Both Harries (Harrys?), Mary Jane, and Gwen fit this description to some extent, which is possibly why they didn’t appear.
I have possibly another theory about Electro...
He states that the electricity/power was different in the MCU. Most of us forget the fact the Stark decided immediately to stop production on warmongering assets, but the arc reactor already existed before Tony was kidnapped and held hostage. Given the years that have passed, it very well could be implied that newly refined arc reactor technology could power some, if not most, of the world in this "present" timeline.
This newly acquired energy now surging through Electro could be the catalyst that changes his form as well as his new color from blue to yellow. Not to mention the reactor he stole: he felt that energy already and was immediately drawn to it. That tech provided Electro constant energy rather than having to syphon the power grid and possibly help regulate his powers for better control and performance.
And as for his new persona - Max was confident in his own world. He simply didn't have the courage to stand up against his superiors and co-workers. He was already use to being stepped on and overlooked. If you were given "god-like" abilities, wouldn't you want to be seen? To be heard?
I have a huge gripe with the ending.
If the multiverse can forget Peter Parker, then the world can forget Spider-Man.
Starting from scratch as Spidey makes a lot more sense than starting from scratch as Peter.
Wouldn't work. The problem was that the spell was drawing people who knew Peter Parker was Spider-Man. If you made everyone forget Spider-Man, then the spell would still draw the same people, but instead of them knowing that Peter Parker is Spider-Man, they would only know that Peter Parker is someone who they know. The key element was the Peter Parker identikit.
@@DmonHiro I wonder if that's true, because of the credit scene with Eddie Brock.. I don't believe he (nor Venom) knew Peter was Spiderman... which makes me question if "knowing Peter was Spiderman" was really what was pulling them to this dimension.
@@adamdixon2080 Venom knew, he has a hive mind across multiverses which would include a connection to the venom that Tobey Maguire fought who knew he was spiderman.
I don't understand about the spell either. Does dr strange spell also delete all news about peter is spiderman and also delete all internet history in the entire world?
Why didn't anyone think of making people forget mysterio and what he said instead?
The whole venom thing makes so much more sense now, the moment he reconnects to the hive he gets pulled in
@Miles Doyle tl:dr
@Miles Doyle did you have a stroke?
even if everyone forgets that Peter is SpiderMan, isn't Ned still Peter's friend? Wouldn't he have recognized him?
If im not mistaken, what he asked for in the end, is that everyone who knows him will forget him.. not just him being spiderman, but forget about him entirely so all of them wont know him.
At the end, Peter asks if Strange can make everyone forget Peter Parker
This means everyone would forget that Peter Parker even exists, because the spell to make everyone forget who Spider-Man is under the mask can no longer be performed, but a spell that makes people forget the existence of the man under the mask would do the trick
I like how it took Peter back to his beginning with no stark tech. Just a poor man barely making ends meet. Taking pictures of spider man and selling them.
For Electro, I heard the argument that when he was taken it was from when he was absorbing a huge amount of data. There’s a good chance he learned who Peter Parker was and how he was related to the person who created the Spider experiments and that he’s the only one who could be compatible. So there’s a good chance that he deduced in that moment that Spider-Man was a kid named Peter Parker without having any knowledge of what he looked like. Although said data could have consisted of photos of employees as well, but then relatives could always be adopted or he could simply not have absorbed that data yet. We don’t know what kind of knowledge an electric being could gain by absorbing data and at what rate.
I remember in TASM2 where Harry showed Peter photographs of him in one of the Oscorp files. Maybe Electro could have found out that Peter Parker was Spiderman as he was absorbing data from the power grid. Furthermore, the power is owned by Oscorp which makes it possible for Electro to find the photo of Peter.
Or this electro could have simply come from a universe where he knew that Peter was Spiderman ...
Electro in NWH mentions that he is "new" because he's been hanging out as electricity all of these years collecting power and "data". "Data" was an odd word to use. Maybe this is an indicator that he learned about Spider-Man's identity by essentially 'hacking'/'surfing the data-web' through say Gwen/ Peter's texts or something else. -- Just a thought.
I like this thought! I feel it's a valid explanation
Yet he couldn't electrify Otto and just yelled get off me as he was being held by Otto's arms
Yeah thats how I took it. Like all the villains feel familiar but may have been taken in different universes that we expect. So they interact and behave a little different than we last left them in their respective movies.
A bit of explanation for my question, first. The forget spell was cast because everyone in the multiverse who knew that Peter Parker is Spider-Man was coming to that universe. It was aimed at making everyone forget, which would only work on sending those other entities BACK to their own universes IF it also made them forget, too. That means, everyone, in every universe, had to forget that Peter Parker (not just Tom's) even exists. And, sure, they have that sort of fuzzy kind of thing going on about remembering, but like you said, they don't want to scratch that itch, instead avoid it if they come close to thinking about it.
So, when the Andrew-Spidey and Tobey-Spidey go back to their own universes, it means no one would remember them, as a requirement for the spell. Andrew-Spidey pretty much admits he doesn't have many people of any sort, so no real worries there, sadly. But, what of Tobey-Spidey? He married his MJ! Wouldn't he go back to his universe to find his marriage basically doesn't exist? She wouldn't know who this stranger is that came in through the window into her house or apartment! As an extra: They really ought to do another Tobey-Spidey and Andrew-Spidey movie to show their 'new lives' and everything that goes with how they handled the situation and all.
_"The forget spell was cast because everyone in the multiverse who knew that Peter Parker is Spider-Man was coming to that universe. It was aimed at making everyone forget, which would only work on sending those other entities BACK to their own universes IF it also made them forget, too."_
Of course! I saw this film in the theater and almost wanted to shout to the screen - how the fk does make everyone here forget better stop everyone else in the whole infinity multiverse who knows him from coming here.
it's very clear that most of the defenders of this film simply never thought of this very obvious question.
Did Green Goblin's broken helmet remain in the alley after he returned to his universe? Or did it just dissipate as he went home?
I obviously stayed there since the symbiote stayed behind.
@@Sam-uq7co then that would break Peter's heart more. Remember their converstion they had when Andrew was listening.
@@Sam-uq7co Ned asked Peter TM if he had friends, he says "yeah he died in my arms after he tried to kill me" then Ned goes to Peter TH and says that he will never become a villain Peter AG listened and nodded.
Sam :) I’m sorry but Ned becoming hobgoblin is the dumbest thing ever
@@drzaious8136 I hope they don’t do that. Ned being a villain would be very stupid
Thanks Ryan / ScreenCrush, you're doing a better job than IGN in handling No Way Home's supposed plotholes.
The overcoming magic thing to me was more about when Peter was able to move his physical body when in astral form and then get back into his physical body even with Strange trying to stop him.
This^^
That’s the spider sense
Probably cuz of spidy-sence
That was just bullshit
Spidey-Sense i can see for the body moving on its own. But Peter "swimming" back into his body should be straight out impossible as it completely nullifies that abilities effect especially when thinking about the ancient one discussing with Bruce in Endgame. He could have just gone back into his body which he didn't because he hadn't had spidey's plot armor, and that is lazy writing
Bro I think you nailed the explanation of how Venom came to the MCU. Like the moment he reconnected to the hive mind, Bam.
I hate when people point out that they made the cures so fast. Its literally three identical geniuses, a scientist who cured doc ock, and 2/5 villains already had a cure.
As for Electro. He's perfect because he turned into pure energy and back into a human. This got rid of his physical shortcomings like the supersoldier serum with Steve Rogers.
He isn't a variant or from a different point in the timeline, he explained in the movie. He was taken during the climax of AS2. He says something along the lines of "I was in the grid, I was absorbing data, I was about to become pure energy". He absorbed some data that revealed to him Spidermans real name and in that moment he was transported to the MCU. He never found out who Peter Parker was, just that that's who Spiderman is. That's why he didn't know he was white
That doesn't make sense. Harry Osborne didn't learn that Peter was spiderman till after Electro died. So he wouldn't have put that data into the Oscorp net, till after Electro died. And if there is just soooo much data that Electro somehow figured it out on his own, then a photo of peter would have been included in the data. It's just a plot hole. Not a big deal.
@@agentlongwood No data is ever stored anywhere without accompanying photos? You can't say there would automatically be a photo
@@godxavior we're talking about an evil mega corp. You think they have all the data about Peter Parker, but somehow never got his photo? They definitely had it, since didn't Peter have an oscorp ID badge? If electro accessed Peter's personal data, it would have included the photo.
I think there is a misconception about Electro saying he thought Spider man was black, if I remember correctly he just said that he thought Spiderman was black, it could just mean that prior to learning who spiderman is, whenever that did actually happen, he thought he was black, so for all we know he did discover the face of Peter Parker when he was connected to the grid, and on the scaffolding he was just telling this misconception he used to have when he was ignorant of that fact.
@Deadbrother
Best theory for me.
Also ned had plenty of dificulty using his magic towards the end of the film soooo... he's not exactly a prodigy, it just took a sorcerer's sling ring to reveal his potential
Also, kids are just better at learning new things.