4:41 in the video, I misspoke about “two retainers” while I meant to say “two retainer holes” I corrected it in video but wanted to post it here just so everyone understands the “generations” of knob styles. Here is the text that is in video: which kinda explains the different knobs but is kinda small in video itself: I need to clarify this, there is only ONE retainer on all Schlage knobs Old Old F Series = 1 hole on each Side, retainer is in one or the other, standard cylinder type Old F Series = Compressible Cylinder, only 1 hole on one side with retainer. Lock stays locked outside if inside knob is turned Newest F Series = Same as above but auto unlocks turning inside knob (and has significantly reduced Schlage lockout calls I might add 🥺) Also at 10:02 I said “Kwikset are tougher to open” when I obviously meant Schlage. I think my brain saw the plug in that vertical position and it made me think Kwikset, cause only Kwikset’s levers had vertical lock cylinders 🤷♂️
Thanks for the tip Jason! Really appreciate all these tip videos that help newbie locksmiths like me. You guys who have been doing this for so long have so much wisdom and experience to share. Thank you :)
Great video, whatever it is!!!! There is something worse than a spin fail, "A fail to have a spinner in the first place", like me, maybe I'll make one! Have a great day, unless you have a Schlage lockout
Crazy, I just discovered this hours ago before watching this video. Had to pick a new F Series to rekey it, had a spin failure twice (even with Houdini), so out of frustration I tried the retaining pin. To my surprise, it worked!
Just wanted to say it was a cool experience getting to meet you and your wife, and being new to the trade I really appreciate all you do (great tip today) keep up the good work
Thanks Jason! I was actually pissed when the spin tool failed..been there! Nice tip..wonder if a kwikset smart tool would work? I recently acquired some old dental tools that have helped with tight spots as well.
I replaced the spring last week after it broke and I started using the A1 thanks again!…sort of ;) I went into it thinking I’m gonna do a “shorts” video with this! then discovered the advanced physics involved with it 🙄🙄
Pretty cool all of us it’s been in the trade for a while I have put up with a spin fail. Including myself After a few choice words you grab the tools in your begin to pick the lock again frustrated but eventually you get the job done. 😂 good video Jason keep up with the good work.
Awesome tips always, thanks for sharing these. So nice to have another option when you realize you picked it in the wrong direction and would otherwise only have “do you feel lucky, punk?” plug spinning to look forward to 😂
I have been out of the locksmith trade for 15 years, but back in the day I made a tool out of a kwikset deadbolt plug and a cut off sc1 keyblank. You may or may not know this trick, you could insert it in to an f series knob. Twist the f series knob twist it lightly and wrap the tool and it would jar the mechanism and allow you to open the knob without even picking it. I don't know if Schlage fixed this flaw, but it was a great trick back in the day.
ahhh yea the ole bounce open deal I think that got cleared up before the compressible era rolled up on us but yes I recall using that a few times. As I recall though I wasn’t too fond of it, but it may have just been my not getting it
I’m usually using a Lishi if I pick one backwards I always take a reading before spinning it. Then if I blow it I just cut a key. A lot times in these f series they will take to lock position really easy then you can use the Lishi to take a reading and cut a key
another trick I’ve used, when you have multiple doors to open but you happen to be a good distance from the truck to cut a key, is once you’ve read the depths it’s typically pretty dang easy to Lishi again Had a couple of deadbolts on a public pool restroom I recently did that to avoid walking a good way in the rain :)
@@selock definitely easier to Lishi stuff if you know the bitting! I do that cars a lot. I’ll pick it ccw because I’m a righty and it’s easier then take a reading then pick it cw to unlock it once I know the bitting.
I had this same Successful Pick it Lock OPPPS the other day... Thankfully it was a KWIKSET knob and NO I DO NOT have a Spinner YET! So you again are an inspiration to my zeal in learning. So if you could do a short Video of spinners and how to USE Them correctly. The Reason I say it this way because I'm 100% self taught. I just bought my first set of HPC Picks a month ago from CLK. Thank you for the time you share with the #LOCKFORCE CREW.
Thank you…. After 2 spin failures I found your video and ten seconds after watching it, I repicked and then popped the knob…. So simple. I wasn’t sure if I had to do the Re-pick before popping the knob, but I did it anyways. thank you , sincerely Jeff from Lock-out Pro Michigan City, IN ps: HOW do I donate to your channel??
i haven't Lishi picked the compressible cylinders yet but I have raked them open using light tension. Sometimes a cylinder will pick one way better than the other though. I've even bumped the compressible cylinders but I hate doing that as sometime the top will pop out. Schlage should do better.
To me Schlage Compressible Cylinders are my hardest to pick. This is because the top driver pins are a smaller diameter and are under heavy spring pressure. Add that to the difficult biting they usually use make them difficult to pick. There is a method I come up with that I go to whenever I feel I spent enough time to know this isn’t going to be a successful pick. These cylinders have a common weakness to them. And that is the compressible Cap. I made a few tools of different Lengths out of hard hook picks. I use them to get into the keyway and under the first two pins. From there I pry them up for the purpose of trying to “Blow the Cap” off the cylinder. From there it can be easily picked and you must rebuild it once off. I learned Your Method of picking just to disassemble very early on. Especially on any commercial levers and knobs of all makes. I rarely use my plug spinner unless it’s for reversing direction of a tough deadbolt that needed to be picked in the wrong direction. Time is Money. Great discussion.
yep, I hate doing it but I’ve had to “blow the cap” a number of times. Those times are ones where I giggle in joy when the installer put it in upside down ;)
actually this is a good idea. Schlage's for me is a bear. Yale Y2 no problem, Corbin usually pretty easily but Schlage very difficult for me. I picked on one for 45 minutes. never on this earth was there a happier man then myself.
@@selock haven't had the pleasure of using a lishi on one but that's not surprising.. I always dread these knobs when customers don't have keys for them
You all are not using the Lishi correctly. When I roll up on Lockout and I see a Schlage lock, I bust out the Lishi and the customer is in he/her home in a matter of minutes.
@@bobvalley4962 just like they can typically be raked in a “matter of minutes” Lishi is just another tool and nowhere did I say I was unsuccessful using the Lishi. It just doesn’t like the t pins compared to standard cylinders
So simple, yet so genius! I can't believe that I never realized this sorta hack. Thanks Jason!
4:41 in the video, I misspoke about “two retainers” while I meant to say “two retainer holes” I corrected it in video but wanted to post it here just so everyone understands the “generations” of knob styles.
Here is the text that is in video: which kinda explains the different knobs but is kinda small in video itself:
I need to clarify this, there is only ONE retainer on all Schlage knobs
Old Old F Series = 1 hole on each Side, retainer is in one or the other, standard cylinder type
Old F Series = Compressible Cylinder, only 1 hole on one side with retainer. Lock stays locked outside if inside knob is turned
Newest F Series = Same as above but auto unlocks turning inside knob (and has significantly reduced Schlage lockout calls I might add 🥺)
Also at 10:02 I said “Kwikset are tougher to open” when I obviously meant Schlage. I think my brain saw the plug in that vertical position and it made me think Kwikset, cause only Kwikset’s levers had vertical lock cylinders 🤷♂️
Thanks for clarification Jason great video my friend, totally understand want you ment thank you 😎
Thanks for the tip Jason! Really appreciate all these tip videos that help newbie locksmiths like me. You guys who have been doing this for so long have so much wisdom and experience to share. Thank you :)
I’ve been a locksmith for 15 years and I never thought of this! Thank you!
Great video, whatever it is!!!!
There is something worse than a spin fail, "A fail to have a spinner in the first place", like me, maybe I'll make one!
Have a great day, unless you have a Schlage lockout
I have seen videos on how to make them. I have one, just not sure where it is at the moment
Great idea with the notched tension wrench to turny tool. I'm going to try that out and will probably get more use of it that way! Thanks Jason 👍
Crazy, I just discovered this hours ago before watching this video. Had to pick a new F Series to rekey it, had a spin failure twice (even with Houdini), so out of frustration I tried the retaining pin. To my surprise, it worked!
Nifty little trick, thanks for sharing, cheers
Just wanted to say it was a cool experience getting to meet you and your wife, and being new to the trade I really appreciate all you do (great tip today) keep up the good work
Very useful information… thanks Jason!!! Good job!!!
Thanks Jason! I was actually pissed when the spin tool failed..been there! Nice tip..wonder if a kwikset smart tool would work? I recently acquired some old dental tools that have helped with tight spots as well.
the bad thing was, I was actually trying to legit spin it and I was gonna reset it to force a "fail"
I still LOVE my Rytan spinner going on close to 30 years old- only replaced blade once!
I replaced the spring last week after it broke and I started using the A1 thanks again!…sort of ;)
I went into it thinking I’m gonna do a “shorts” video with this! then discovered the advanced physics involved with it 🙄🙄
Great video, thanks Jason! Those compressible cylinders have their good and bad points. Those t-pins can act like convertible spools some times.
very grabby grabby for sure!
Pretty cool all of us it’s been in the trade for a while I have put up with a spin fail. Including myself After a few choice words you grab the tools in your begin to pick the lock again frustrated but eventually you get the job done. 😂 good video Jason keep up with the good work.
Nice tip. Believe you called the Kwikset Tool, a Schlage Smart Key tool. We knew what you meant.
Good One.
Awesome tips always, thanks for sharing these. So nice to have another option when you realize you picked it in the wrong direction and would otherwise only have “do you feel lucky, punk?” plug spinning to look forward to 😂
I have been out of the locksmith trade for 15 years, but back in the day I made a tool out of a kwikset deadbolt plug and a cut off sc1 keyblank. You may or may not know this trick, you could insert it in to an f series knob. Twist the f series knob twist it lightly and wrap the tool and it would jar the mechanism and allow you to open the knob without even picking it. I don't know if Schlage fixed this flaw, but it was a great trick back in the day.
ahhh yea the ole bounce open deal
I think that got cleared up before the compressible era rolled up on us but yes I recall using that a few times. As I recall though I wasn’t too fond of it, but it may have just been my not getting it
Thanks for sharing. Another for the notebook. 👍
Great tip. Love to learn tricks of the trade. 🔐👍
I’m usually using a Lishi if I pick one backwards I always take a reading before spinning it. Then if I blow it I just cut a key. A lot times in these f series they will take to lock position really easy then you can use the Lishi to take a reading and cut a key
another trick I’ve used, when you have multiple doors to open but you happen to be a good distance from the truck to cut a key, is once you’ve read the depths it’s typically pretty dang easy to Lishi again
Had a couple of deadbolts on a public pool restroom I recently did that to avoid walking a good way in the rain :)
@@selock definitely easier to Lishi stuff if you know the bitting! I do that cars a lot. I’ll pick it ccw because I’m a righty and it’s easier then take a reading then pick it cw to unlock it once I know the bitting.
I had this same Successful Pick it Lock OPPPS the other day... Thankfully it was a KWIKSET knob and NO I DO NOT have a Spinner YET! So you again are an inspiration to my zeal in learning. So if you could do a short Video of spinners and how to USE Them correctly. The Reason I say it this way because I'm 100% self taught. I just bought my first set of HPC Picks a month ago from CLK.
Thank you for the time you share with the #LOCKFORCE CREW.
Nice tip. Always enjoy learning from someone who has been there/done that…
Cool trick Jason.
Thanks for the tip. I enjoy learning tricks of the trade.
Cool information. I've never used a spinner. Which one would you suggest to start?
Thank you…. After 2 spin failures I found your video and ten seconds after watching it, I repicked and then popped the knob…. So simple. I wasn’t sure if I had to do the Re-pick before popping the knob, but I did it anyways. thank you , sincerely Jeff from Lock-out Pro Michigan City, IN ps: HOW do I donate to your channel??
great tip jason!!! thank you
Very interesting, I need to remember that
Great video! Just wish I had been able to get the one on my lockout actually picked 😂
i haven't Lishi picked the compressible cylinders yet but I have raked them open using light tension. Sometimes a cylinder will pick one way better than the other though. I've even bumped the compressible cylinders but I hate doing that as sometime the top will pop out. Schlage should do better.
To me Schlage Compressible Cylinders are my hardest to pick. This is because the top driver pins are a smaller diameter and are under heavy spring pressure. Add that to the difficult biting they usually use make them difficult to pick. There is a method I come up with that I go to whenever I feel I spent enough time to know this isn’t going to be a successful pick. These cylinders have a common weakness to them. And that is the compressible Cap. I made a few tools of different Lengths out of hard hook picks. I use them to get into the keyway and under the first two pins. From there I pry them up for the purpose of trying to “Blow the Cap” off the cylinder. From there it can be easily picked and you must rebuild it once off.
I learned Your Method of picking just to disassemble very early on. Especially on any commercial levers and knobs of all makes. I rarely use my plug spinner unless it’s for reversing direction of a tough deadbolt that needed to be picked in the wrong direction.
Time is Money. Great discussion.
yep, I hate doing it but I’ve had to “blow the cap” a number of times. Those times are ones where I giggle in joy when the installer put it in upside down ;)
Jason, I think a video about cap popping is a great idea! There’s almost no info about that out there
Thanks Jason. Sometimes it feels like you're talking directly to me. :)
I WAS
Great info
I locked my garage door behind me and went back out pit the key in the knob and it just spins will not unlock. Any tips? 😂
Thank you I have been a locksmith and never knew that. 🤦🏽♂️
actually this is a good idea. Schlage's for me is a bear. Yale Y2 no problem, Corbin usually pretty easily but Schlage very difficult for me. I picked on one for 45 minutes. never on this earth was there a happier man then myself.
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This is why I’ll never get rid of my flipper style spinner until it actually breaks. I just crank it 4-5 times if it was a tough pick
I cranked my old Rytan there a bit too much last week ;) I had known it was coming but wasn’t thrilled when it suddenly flew apart 😂
@@selock Oof
Those schlage knobs and levers are not easy to pick I've found
When that compressible cylinder came along it sure made them tougher :( even these "new fangled lishi things" don't like those t pins!
@@selock haven't had the pleasure of using a lishi on one but that's not surprising.. I always dread these knobs when customers don't have keys for them
@@AuGold808 yep cause 8 out of 10 are gonna be corroded to heck as well!
You all are not using the Lishi correctly. When I roll up on Lockout and I see a Schlage lock, I bust out the Lishi and the customer is in he/her home in a matter of minutes.
@@bobvalley4962 just like they can typically be raked in a “matter of minutes” Lishi is just another tool and nowhere did I say I was unsuccessful using the Lishi. It just doesn’t like the t pins compared to standard cylinders
Or use an sc1 lishi and just pick it the opposite way hella quick 😜