Hmm idk! He even admits to following Joyce's lead and being so inexperienced at the beginning he didn't know how the bass drum played with the bass guitar. I would say he did a good job in the same way Ringo did.
The smiths were and still are incredibly important to me, even at almost 50! I know that its an unarguable fact there will never be another band like them and I’m sure of it!
Joyce wanted 25% of the performance royalties, not the entire band earnings. The song writing was never in dispute it was always split 50/50 between Morrissey & Marr.
Songwriting AND Publishing Royalties were never in contention. Joyce went to court for Recording and Performance Royalties as well as other band income like merchandise sales etc....He felt he was an equal partner in the band and was due his 25% rather than the 10% he received. This wouldn't have been an issue if the band had had a written agreement, unfortunately things were complicated b'coz 2 different verbal agreements were made with Rourke and Joyce in the early days: One for 25% and one for 10%.
@HighburyGhost I agree. I'm a bass player, and I consider Rourke's basslines to be so inspirational. The drums and bass in these songs are SO TIGHT, and so well complement the guitar and vocals. I find it quite strange that Morrissey would not have INSISTED on equal share between all members, himself! That's what I'd have expected from him. Shame.
@HighburyGhost I totally agree, U2, R.E.M. Coldplay all split their earnings equally regardless of who did what and look how long the first two bands have been together. I agree Mike Joyce has always come across as an educated, articulate and sincerely good guy who I've not heard once 'diss' Morrissey...
@LouVivaMorrissey Sorry but I've got to put this myth to bed. Joyce and Rourke NEVER wanted a share in the songwriting and publishing earnings of The Smiths!!!They simply wanted an equal share of the performance and recording royalties of the band.A quite reasonable thing to expect seeing as they played on all of those records and at all of those concerts,and something that past bands and musicians agreed on decades prior to The Smiths forming.
Morrissey has written many excellent songs since Your Arsenal back in 1992. Although YOU don't rate Vauxhall and I most people see it as one of his greatest works. Ringleaders of the Tormentors (2006) was hailed by fans and critics alike as a masterpiece. The problem I have with those people who knock Morrissey's solo work is that they rarely have listened to any of it!
Mr Joyce, why did you not just recover your dues from the band in court without trying to turn Morrissey's mother and sister out of their houses, thinking that they were in Morrissey's name...surely you can make your own living now......
Fact is the band would have sounded totally different, maybe better maybe not ( I suspect not ) with a different rhythm section. Rourke and Joyce were an integral part of the Smiths' sound. They were part of every recording session and played at every gig, so it's reasonable that they get a fair percentage of the performance and recording royalties. I think that they are all great and I thank God that they recorded all the great music that they did during their short career.
Joyce should've been grateful for being part of The Smiths. He could have easily been replaced. Every drummer in the world could've played next to Marr and Morrissey and would've been happy about 10% of the earnings. Yes, the live performances were a band thing, but whose songs were they performing? They played songs on which Joyce does not have the slightes claim. The Smiths are Johnny Marr and Morrissey.
The court case wasn't about song writing royalties, they were always split 50:50 between Morrissey & Marr. The Joyce court case was about performance royalties.
The rhythm section in bands is often underlooked. Marr wrote all the guitar melodies and Mozza wrote all those great lyrics - but they should have split the money equally. Yes the songwriters deserve most of the credit but it did undermine the excellent drumming and bass playing their fab rhythm section had. They were all great at what they did and Joyce seems cool
From watching various Smiths/Morrissey videos, it has become obvious that there is a degree of confusion regarding the handling of a band's money. Income is earned via (1) song writing and publishing royalties (2) performances (3) merchandising - sale of licensed items carrying the band name and/or likenesses. The writers of the songs generally receive the royalties and everything else is divided equally. Morrissey and Marr seemed to think that the other 2 should receive only 10% each.
As for that lawsuit, I do not know enough about the law to determine whether or not the decision was right, but I have to agree that a 40/40/10/10 split of recording and touring royalties was very unfair, especially since songwriting royalties were never an issue if I understand it correctly. Morrissey and Marr may have been the creative force behind The Smiths, but Rourke and Joyce also played an important role and I would never consider it a reunion without them.
If you don't understand composition and musical balance, then your opinion on Joyce and Rourke's time in the band is purely biased because of your infatuation with Morrissey. Don't comment on something you don't understand, regardless of ol' Mikey being a bit of a douche, the smiths wouldn't of been alternative/ indie legends if it weren't for Rourke's funk, and Joyce's punk. You won't come across a band (that's right, a band, a unit, a working force of individualism) like the smiths often, they had the perfect musical balance of feel and skill. I couldn't imagine them being as heart-enchantingly fantastic if everybody in the band were technical, straight out of university musicians. If bass players and drummers aren't as important as singers, then neither are guitar players, producers, engineers and record labels that help people like Morrissey go from artistic weirdos who don't leave their house to superstar divas.
why should the royalties be split evenly?? the drummer never wrote any of the lyrics or music... i don't blame morrissey for leaving the UK after all this bullshit
chris tax I do believe coming up with the rythim section for drums is song writing! ask any drummer that comes up with their section if they feel they do fuck all to bring about a song . you have a ludicrous point of view there.
Fucking diva fans, the smiths were a BAND. Not like Justin Beiber or some cookie cutter solo artist. Morrissey was paramount to the smiths of course, but I dare say there's a 50% divide where smiths fans think Morrissey's backing band are just the most bland, uninspired generic band ever. It's like Morrissey singing over karaoke music, there's no artistic flair or shine, and definitely none of that alternative/ indie sound that the Smiths were so fantastic at. The royalties should of been split evenly, Rourke and Joyce were brilliant. If drummers and bass players aren't as important as singers, neither are guitar players, engineers, producers and everyone else who helped Morrissey become somebody.
Compare Morrissey's band in his solo carrier, especcialy last years and especially when they play live, then you'll see how much Mike and Andy meant. Without them The Smiths would not be what they were. I could not imagine different bass or drum part in their songs.
and where did you get that that was agreed upon, as far as i know from my sources joyce never knew about the thing until they broke up, and this wasnt for 12+ years, joyce had already started the lawsuit in 1989 it had only been in the decade prior was he able to secure due compensation for his work and this being recognized in this broadcast here, you underestimate how good the rhythm section was but the point is i dont know where you got your biased info
@mcguinnsrickenbacker It doesnt make it right, they still ridiculed Morrissey for no actual reason, other than fame and riches. Rourke and Jouce didnt deserve the money.
De Freitas - and Joyce. Brilliance. Joyce, top news, getting the money. I saw Marr in Japan, last week. He looked very pissed off. Never forget the rhythm section.
It's sad such a fantastic band had to end (and drag on) in such a bitter way. Finances almost always ruin a great thing and come between friends and/or coworkers. Ohh well, at least we have the awesome albums to run to (God knows the band will never reunite).
Can you find me a link where Morrissey actually says 'that he is the only thing that matters'? Morrissey's last 3 albums possess some of his finest work. I agree that 'Vauxhall And I' and 'Your Arsenal' are prolly his greatest solo work, though.
If you're in the kind of band where fans know everyone's names, you deserve a fair share. He was fine with 10% back when he was 20 and had no concept of the financial legacy they'd leave. I don't think it's reasonable to hold him to that years and years later when Smiths records are selling many multiples more than when he made that verbal agreement decades ago. If Morrissey thinks he's greater than the sum of the Smiths parts he doesn't understand what made that music special.
@MrHumphreyDavy teenage musicians hole up in their bedrooms and learn Mike Joyce and Andy Rourke parts; can you conjure up any Dean Butterworth or Gary Day parts? Since the Smiths broke up Morrissey has sold about 67k copies of Southpaw Grammar. Louder than bombs has sold 410,000 copies, probably closer to 500,000 as those figures are '92 - 2007. Morrissey is not the Smiths, and I doubt Joyce expected their popularity in England to spread around the planet when he said "sure, 10%, whatever"
It would be wonderful if The Smiths got back together, but it's pretty obvious that's never going to happen. Morrissey is too stubborn. Still, I would be delighted to hear about Johnny Marr at least reconciling with Andy and Mike the same way that Robert Smith of The Cure has done with his former bandmate Lol Tolhurst. Yes, I'm aware of the irony of bringing that up considering all the negative things Moz and Robert Smith have said about each other. Still, I'm sure you get my drift.
Mr Joyce seems quite articulate but the bitterness against Morrissey - hidden very well throughout the interview - comes through very strongly at the end when he says "I'm speaking to SOME of them". They would never regroup even if they did it would be a horribly strained affair, going against all their original principles as a band.
I felt sorry for Mike Joyce and for Andy Rourke. JOYCE - hard and heavy drummer, perfect for the music, looked right, loved the band, ROURKE was a great bass player - brilliant lines. BUT Morrissey and Marr were the songwriting partnership - THEY wrote the songs - No way their contribution was not greater than that of Joyce and Rourke. BUT the live performances were the lifeblood of the band's fanbase. Giving them just 10% was always going to poison the band's cohesion long term. Pity.
@MrHumphreyDavy Then why play as The Smiths and not Morrissey and Marr? You're splitting hairs trying to apply percentages of, uh, greaterness, to each members talents. Rourke is a pretty legendary bassist within that community. If they wan't all the credit then it should be their own names in lights, not "The Smiths".
why should he get less,or the bass player,they played all the same gigs,thats really the downfall of everything in life,Money$ and the downfall of the $miths
The last thing I bought was "Maladjusted," and it's been about 9 years since I ever pulled it out to listen to any of it . I only like "Satan Rejected My Soul." I don't think much of the lyrics on that song either, but I dig the music. The other songs on "Maladjusted" are absolute crap.
well ,they contributed a lot ,especially rourke, in the process of thecreation of the songs ,and i think its a bit unfair that moz and marr took the 80%
"Vauxhall And I" was his last great output. Though the Southpaw Grammar era did have a few good songs ("Dagenham Dave," "Sunny"). I agree with you regarding the lyrics to "How Can Anybody..."but I think the tune is real catchy.
I don't know enough about the relationship between Joyce and Morrissey, and I don't think anyone on youtube does, so I don't believe anyone should be taking sides, there may well be a lot more to it than a mere disagreement over royalties. My personal take though is that I believe Joyce was by far the least integral member of The Smiths. He was good, and Rourke was a fabulous bassist, but I think Marr and Morrissey really were the core of the band. No one is even close to being like them.
watch the rise and fall of the smiths on youtube an you will see what a snide morrissey was no doubting he is a great songwriter but a shithouse of a man marr comes across as a genuine goodfella
@HighburyGhost Absolutely .. Rourke and Joyce deserve a better shake. Everyone loves the Smith's drums and bass lines, and knows them to be definitively of a 'Smith's' styling. The songs WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THE SAME. May the Red Sea part for the Smith's Reunited Tour ... Only one life to live Morrissey/Marr --- regret is a MF'cker --- get it done. The world WILL listen. Sorry for that one .. lol..
Morrissey and Marr had every right to take the majority of The Smiths earnings. If you had noticed, Joyce and Rourke were living not only comfortably, luxury with that 10% they received. But Joyce stabbed Morrissey's back. Morrissey and Marr were the Smiths. Joyce would not have even been in The Smiths if Morrissey and Marr had know that he was completely drugged up on his audition into the band. Morrissey wrote the songs, Marr wrote the melodies and Rourke and Joyce played along.
Owen Martin Well they got much less than 10 %, since this is not about songwriting royalties at all. They got 0 % from the songwriting, which is normal*, and 10 % of the rest. *) I don't remember if Roure and/or Joyce are credited on some b-sides. That would of course give them some 0,1 % type income from the songwriting. Also, one could maybe argue that esp Rourke's brilliant bass lines sometimes should have earned him a credit.
2% lol well i wish they got that, more money for moz but marr should have the same % as mozz (and he dus) but at the time Morrissey and Marr decided they should get 10% i agree with them, Morrissey is truely amazing in my opinion i love his music, but you have to give credit to Johhny marr he is amazing musician and him and morrissy created the smiths,the smiths are known as mozza's lyrics and marrs music, u do realise you just called morrissey a twat, members of smiths steven,johny,andy,mike
Morrissey is so abnoxioussss to me, I don't understand the love although I love the instrumentation in the Smiths, sort of dreamy folky but still kind of punchy.
I do love morrissey alot, but yeah joyce and especially rourke did deserve more than 10%
Why did they?
This guy was one outstanding drummer.
Hmm idk! He even admits to following Joyce's lead and being so inexperienced at the beginning he didn't know how the bass drum played with the bass guitar. I would say he did a good job in the same way Ringo did.
+3pac son 3pac the legend!
3pac son
is he the dummer/vocals
from the eagles mate.
The smiths were and still are incredibly important to me, even at almost 50! I know that its an unarguable fact there will never be another band like them and I’m sure of it!
Joyce wanted 25% of the performance royalties, not the entire band earnings. The song writing was never in dispute it was always split 50/50 between Morrissey & Marr.
Why didn't Andy do the same? He always seemed so unassuming.
DoctorMeatDic worked with some very well known musicians! He is clearly talented.
DoctorMeatDic edgy
One of the most original and amazing bands ever.
Songwriting AND Publishing Royalties were never in contention. Joyce went to court for Recording and Performance Royalties as well as other band income like merchandise sales etc....He felt he was an equal partner in the band and was due his 25% rather than the 10% he received. This wouldn't have been an issue if the band had had a written agreement, unfortunately things were complicated b'coz 2 different verbal agreements were made with Rourke and Joyce in the early days: One for 25% and one for 10%.
@HighburyGhost I agree. I'm a bass player, and I consider Rourke's basslines to be so inspirational. The drums and bass in these songs are SO TIGHT, and so well complement the guitar and vocals.
I find it quite strange that Morrissey would not have INSISTED on equal share between all members, himself! That's what I'd have expected from him. Shame.
@HighburyGhost I totally agree, U2, R.E.M. Coldplay all split their earnings equally regardless of who did what and look how long the first two bands have been together. I agree Mike Joyce has always come across as an educated, articulate and sincerely good guy who I've not heard once 'diss' Morrissey...
Mike Joyce comes across as nice... and rather less complicated than Morrissey.
@LouVivaMorrissey
Sorry but I've got to put this myth to bed.
Joyce and Rourke NEVER wanted a share in the songwriting and publishing earnings of The Smiths!!!They simply wanted an equal share of the performance and recording royalties of the band.A quite reasonable thing to expect seeing as they played on all of those records and at all of those concerts,and something that past bands and musicians agreed on decades prior to The Smiths forming.
Mike Joyce? Makes me feel old but I went to school with him, St Gregory's in Ardwick Manchester...
Morrissey has written many excellent songs since Your Arsenal back in 1992. Although YOU don't rate Vauxhall and I most people see it as one of his greatest works. Ringleaders of the Tormentors (2006) was hailed by fans and critics alike as a masterpiece. The problem I have with those people who knock Morrissey's solo work is that they rarely have listened to any of it!
Mr Joyce, why did you not just recover your dues from the band in court without trying to turn Morrissey's mother and sister out of their houses, thinking that they were in Morrissey's name...surely you can make your own living now......
I just talked to Mr. Joyce on myspace! Well, I IMed him and he just sent back "Hell o" and that was it. Still pretty cool.
Fact is the band would have sounded totally different, maybe better maybe not ( I suspect not ) with a different rhythm section. Rourke and Joyce were an integral part of the Smiths' sound. They were part of every recording session and played at every gig, so it's reasonable that they get a fair percentage of the performance and recording royalties. I think that they are all great and I thank God that they recorded all the great music that they did during their short career.
Exactly right man.
so correct, everyone forgets that joyce and rourke wrote nothing
Without Joyce the Smiths would be nothing. FACTS
Joyce should've been grateful for being part of The Smiths. He could have easily been replaced. Every drummer in the world could've played next to Marr and Morrissey and would've been happy about 10% of the earnings.
Yes, the live performances were a band thing, but whose songs were they performing?
They played songs on which Joyce does not have the slightes claim.
The Smiths are Johnny Marr and Morrissey.
To be honest, could not agree more. If you don't write the material essentially why should you get equal royalties?
Those are some serious ears. Love his drumming, and his former band.
The court case wasn't about song writing royalties, they were always split 50:50 between Morrissey & Marr. The Joyce court case was about performance royalties.
Calm down. It's basically Joyce's word vs Morrissey's, and you really have no way to know who's correct.
The rhythm section in bands is often underlooked. Marr wrote all the guitar melodies and Mozza wrote all those great lyrics - but they should have split the money equally. Yes the songwriters deserve most of the credit but it did undermine the excellent drumming and bass playing their fab rhythm section had. They were all great at what they did and Joyce seems cool
From watching various Smiths/Morrissey videos, it has become obvious that there is a degree of confusion regarding the handling of a band's money. Income is earned via (1) song writing and publishing royalties (2) performances (3) merchandising - sale of licensed items carrying the band name and/or likenesses. The writers of the songs generally receive the royalties and everything else is divided equally. Morrissey and Marr seemed to think that the other 2 should receive only 10% each.
As for that lawsuit, I do not know enough about the law to determine whether or not the decision was right, but I have to agree that a 40/40/10/10 split of recording and touring royalties was very unfair, especially since songwriting royalties were never an issue if I understand it correctly. Morrissey and Marr may have been the creative force behind The Smiths, but Rourke and Joyce also played an important role and I would never consider it a reunion without them.
If you don't understand composition and musical balance, then your opinion on Joyce and Rourke's time in the band is purely biased because of your infatuation with Morrissey. Don't comment on something you don't understand, regardless of ol' Mikey being a bit of a douche, the smiths wouldn't of been alternative/ indie legends if it weren't for Rourke's funk, and Joyce's punk.
You won't come across a band (that's right, a band, a unit, a working force of individualism) like the smiths often, they had the perfect musical balance of feel and skill. I couldn't imagine them being as heart-enchantingly fantastic if everybody in the band were technical, straight out of university musicians.
If bass players and drummers aren't as important as singers, then neither are guitar players, producers, engineers and record labels that help people like Morrissey go from artistic weirdos who don't leave their house to superstar divas.
It's a shame that something as trivial as money can destroy a band like that.
why should the royalties be split evenly??
the drummer never wrote any of the lyrics or music...
i don't blame morrissey for leaving the UK after all this bullshit
chris tax I do believe coming up with the rythim section for drums is song writing! ask any drummer that comes up with their section if they feel they do fuck all to bring about a song . you have a ludicrous point of view there.
Fucking diva fans, the smiths were a BAND. Not like Justin Beiber or some cookie cutter solo artist. Morrissey was paramount to the smiths of course, but I dare say there's a 50% divide where smiths fans think Morrissey's backing band are just the most bland, uninspired generic band ever. It's like Morrissey singing over karaoke music, there's no artistic flair or shine, and definitely none of that alternative/ indie sound that the Smiths were so fantastic at.
The royalties should of been split evenly, Rourke and Joyce were brilliant. If drummers and bass players aren't as important as singers, neither are guitar players, engineers, producers and everyone else who helped Morrissey become somebody.
Compare Morrissey's band in his solo carrier, especcialy last years and especially when they play live, then you'll see how much Mike and Andy meant. Without them The Smiths would not be what they were. I could not imagine different bass or drum part in their songs.
They aren't talking about royalties from songwriting, but - I guess - from recordings, concerts etc. That is not the same.
and where did you get that that was agreed upon, as far as i know from my sources joyce never knew about the thing until they broke up, and this wasnt for 12+ years, joyce had already started the lawsuit in 1989 it had only been in the decade prior was he able to secure due compensation for his work and this being recognized in this broadcast here, you underestimate how good the rhythm section was but the point is i dont know where you got your biased info
@mcguinnsrickenbacker It doesnt make it right, they still ridiculed Morrissey for no actual reason, other than fame and riches. Rourke and Jouce didnt deserve the money.
I can't take in any of the audio content as I'm mesmerised by his massive, massive ears.
De Freitas - and Joyce. Brilliance. Joyce, top news, getting the money. I saw Marr in Japan, last week. He looked very pissed off. Never forget the rhythm section.
Mike Joyce is looking very well, he has improved with age
This was a decade ago
It's sad such a fantastic band had to end (and drag on) in such a bitter way. Finances almost always ruin a great thing and come between friends and/or coworkers. Ohh well, at least we have the awesome albums to run to (God knows the band will never reunite).
Can you find me a link where Morrissey actually says 'that he is the only thing that matters'? Morrissey's last 3 albums possess some of his finest work. I agree that 'Vauxhall And I' and 'Your Arsenal' are prolly his greatest solo work, though.
hes got some big ass ears
If you're in the kind of band where fans know everyone's names, you deserve a fair share. He was fine with 10% back when he was 20 and had no concept of the financial legacy they'd leave. I don't think it's reasonable to hold him to that years and years later when Smiths records are selling many multiples more than when he made that verbal agreement decades ago. If Morrissey thinks he's greater than the sum of the Smiths parts he doesn't understand what made that music special.
@MrHumphreyDavy teenage musicians hole up in their bedrooms and learn Mike Joyce and Andy Rourke parts; can you conjure up any Dean Butterworth or Gary Day parts? Since the Smiths broke up Morrissey has sold about 67k copies of Southpaw Grammar. Louder than bombs has sold 410,000 copies, probably closer to 500,000 as those figures are '92 - 2007. Morrissey is not the Smiths, and I doubt Joyce expected their popularity in England to spread around the planet when he said "sure, 10%, whatever"
yawn.
he got his share, trouble was it wasnt enough for him.
achingly clear to all now that he got more than he was worth!
It would be wonderful if The Smiths got back together, but it's pretty obvious that's never going to happen. Morrissey is too stubborn. Still, I would be delighted to hear about Johnny Marr at least reconciling with Andy and Mike the same way that Robert Smith of The Cure has done with his former bandmate Lol Tolhurst. Yes, I'm aware of the irony of bringing that up considering all the negative things Moz and Robert Smith have said about each other. Still, I'm sure you get my drift.
Mr Joyce seems quite articulate but the bitterness against Morrissey - hidden very well throughout the interview - comes through very strongly at the end when he says "I'm speaking to SOME of them". They would never regroup even if they did it would be a horribly strained affair, going against all their original principles as a band.
Justin... bring back The Smiths!!
Let us see what they are capable of now.
John Lennon's How do you sleep at night, comes to mind...
I felt sorry for Mike Joyce and for Andy Rourke. JOYCE - hard and heavy drummer, perfect for the music, looked right, loved the band, ROURKE was a great bass player - brilliant lines. BUT Morrissey and Marr were the songwriting partnership - THEY wrote the songs - No way their contribution was not greater than that of Joyce and Rourke. BUT the live performances were the lifeblood of the band's fanbase. Giving them just 10% was always going to poison the band's cohesion long term. Pity.
Big ears meant wealth & wisdom..M J looks like a tough bloke though
They *thought*meat was murder... I guess they could have been mistaken.
@MrHumphreyDavy Then why play as The Smiths and not Morrissey and Marr? You're splitting hairs trying to apply percentages of, uh, greaterness, to each members talents. Rourke is a pretty legendary bassist within that community. If they wan't all the credit then it should be their own names in lights, not "The Smiths".
why should he get less,or the bass player,they played all the same gigs,thats really the downfall of everything in life,Money$ and the downfall of the $miths
The last thing I bought was "Maladjusted," and it's been about 9 years since I ever pulled it out to listen to any of it . I only like "Satan Rejected My Soul." I don't think much of the lyrics on that song either, but I dig the music. The other songs on "Maladjusted" are absolute crap.
well ,they contributed a lot ,especially rourke, in the process of thecreation of the songs ,and i think its a bit unfair that moz and marr took the 80%
I never noticed before that he has huge ears!
"Vauxhall And I" was his last great output. Though the Southpaw Grammar era did have a few good songs ("Dagenham Dave," "Sunny"). I agree with you regarding the lyrics to "How Can Anybody..."but I think the tune is real catchy.
He got his pound of flesh.
*+65sparx What are you talking about? Mike didn't get his £1 Million he was legally awarded*
*Morrissey is full of shit he just doesn't want to pay Joyce his fair share the lying scum bag*
SergioMartelli
*He will never get his cash*
He deserved an equal share.... Smith’s fan since 85’.... lost a lot of respect for Morrissey
And thank god for that!
I don't know enough about the relationship between Joyce and Morrissey, and I don't think anyone on youtube does, so I don't believe anyone should be taking sides, there may well be a lot more to it than a mere disagreement over royalties. My personal take though is that I believe Joyce was by far the least integral member of The Smiths. He was good, and Rourke was a fabulous bassist, but I think Marr and Morrissey really were the core of the band. No one is even close to being like them.
Should have been 35 35 15 15 - any other way is unfair and greedy - unless 25 each.
That is what would have been fair.
This guy killed The Smiths!!!
Mark Richardson Yes it is!
No johnny marr quit, end of the smiths
@boxnife *Your. I stand by the rest.
Word, cinemar, word.
watch the rise and fall of the smiths on youtube an you will see what a snide morrissey was no doubting he is a great songwriter but a shithouse of a man marr comes across as a genuine goodfella
How much does Charlie Watts get paid?
He does fuck all but I bet he gets a fare share.
vauxhall and I? his best album?!
@HighburyGhost
Absolutely .. Rourke and Joyce deserve a better shake. Everyone loves the Smith's drums and bass lines, and knows them to be definitively of a 'Smith's' styling.
The songs WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THE SAME.
May the Red Sea part for the Smith's Reunited Tour ... Only one life to live Morrissey/Marr --- regret is a MF'cker --- get it done. The world WILL listen. Sorry for that one .. lol..
@MrHumphreyDavy You win the internet.
Morrissey and Marr had every right to take the majority of The Smiths earnings. If you had noticed, Joyce and Rourke were living not only comfortably, luxury with that 10% they received. But Joyce stabbed Morrissey's back. Morrissey and Marr were the Smiths. Joyce would not have even been in The Smiths if Morrissey and Marr had know that he was completely drugged up on his audition into the band. Morrissey wrote the songs, Marr wrote the melodies and Rourke and Joyce played along.
ah ok my bad
Jesus christ how did his ears get so big?
Ears.
@ar4216 Couldn't agree more. He's just being childish.
So all he does is DJ anymore? No more drumming? What a waste of his amazing talent!
they didnt write the songs so 10% is actually probably a bit too much
Owen Martin Well they got much less than 10 %, since this is not about songwriting royalties at all. They got 0 % from the songwriting, which is normal*, and 10 % of the rest.
*) I don't remember if Roure and/or Joyce are credited on some b-sides. That would of course give them some 0,1 % type income from the songwriting. Also, one could maybe argue that esp Rourke's brilliant bass lines sometimes should have earned him a credit.
2% lol well i wish they got that, more money for moz but marr should have the same % as mozz (and he dus) but at the time Morrissey and Marr decided they should get 10% i agree with them, Morrissey is truely amazing in my opinion i love his music, but you have to give credit to Johhny marr he is amazing musician and him and morrissy created the smiths,the smiths are known as mozza's lyrics and marrs music, u do realise you just called morrissey a twat, members of smiths steven,johny,andy,mike
Oh and Happy Nude Year, everyone.
Morrissey is so abnoxioussss to me, I don't understand the love although I love the instrumentation in the Smiths, sort of dreamy folky but still kind of punchy.
You've just answered your own stupid premise. Joyce has a world? Are you kidding? How many Mike Joyce albums are you buying these days?
im with morrisey
@emile235 oh be quiet.
wing nut
horrible interview
always lurking around for cash eh Mr Joyce
good joke.
@LouVivaMorrissey Hmm good to see theres a slave out there...i mean....'fan'