Why There Isn't A Flash Game
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Even though the flash is one of the most beloved superheroes of all time, the character still doesn’t have a proper open world 3d game. This kind of a game is one everyone wants, so much so that people have started making fan games for the flash. Though there are games with the flash, none of them are really an open world 3d game.
Also when making a flash game, there are a lot of problems that have to be tackled. For instance, how do you tackle the problem of his superpowers being too overpowered. His super speed is the most glaring issue. There are also a couple of other problems, but like I say in the video I think it can be tackled in creative ways. The fans do show that they can be.
I also discuss all the games with the flash as a playable character. The most notable ones are Lego flash games like Lego DC Supervillains, Lego Batman 2 and Lego Batman 3, along with the Injustice games and dc universe online.
Hopefully DC will soon let The Flash have his own game like the Batman Arkham Series or the Spider-Man games. I know a lot of people would be excited for that.
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The Flash would be perfect for a Kingdom Hearts, DMC or Bayonetta style action game, he is literally the perfect comic character to make a game where flashy combos are the priority
That would actually be pretty good if you wanted to focus more on the flash's super speed fighting
Not exactly he fits better a openworld
On the fight mechanism I agree btw
He would not fit in any of those types of games at all. The only kind that may fit him is Sonic type of games. But that's the hard part, how do you make a game about a speedster without them all literally being the same.
@@immyopic3319 they're talking about mechanics - attacking an enemy dozens of times a la DMC would be *perfect* for the Flash
There’s a video by Unseen64,which goes into detail on the development and the eventual downfall of “The Flash:Fastest Man Alive” video game.Basically,publisher Brash entertainment (whom owned the rights to the flash) hired developer Bottle Rocket,to make the game.The development was going pretty great as it had;a basic storyline mapped out,a map,a combat system (which would’ve featured the famous “Infinite Mass Punch”) and various gameplay ideas which were being worked on (as you mentioned).
The reason for it’s cancellation was a sadly simple one.Brash was run as if it was a movie studio;it published lower quality games,to fund the ones they were actually interested in.This made their investors pull out one by one;up until the publisher filed for bankruptcy.I highly suggest you watch the Unseen64 video as it goes into much more detail.
Thank you for taking the time to explain all this! And yeah, the video goes into much more detail than I have. Its interesting to think about what could have been if the game had not been abandoned.
I seen it and it's a really great video
into the speedforce a flash game
I know green arrow isn’t really a popular character or anything, but it would be cool to see a game to play as him
Yeah that actually a really good idea. You could have all sorts of different arrow types and tech maybe to make it really fun. A super grounded superhero game like that would work.
i’d imagine it’s be similar to assassins creed, no?
Yes, a concept similar to assassins creed would work well, just with a more modern setting and weapons
@@beniguess6637 and the emphasis on bows and arrows would make it unique.
I know i’d enjoy it
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Same, hopefully one does get made🤞
The Batman Arkham Games can definitely do a flash game I feel like. They have the combat and the feel down.
Yeah, the Batman Arkham games were revolutionary in the genre of superhero games.
A flow combat flash game like the arkham games would work so much
Insomniac should make it, they mastered super powered main characters combat, and even speed (spiderman is much faster than a normal human)
Yeah Insomniac really did set a standard for modern superhero games, along with Rocksteady. But then Rocksteady fumbled hard 💀
There was even a mod in insomniac spider man where you can be the flash and it looked SUPER good
this is the typa quality content i would imagine with a channel of at least thousands of subs, amazing work bro
That means a ton to me! Appreciate it!
A flash game would be so much fun especially if it was open world
Yeah and with games like the last ronin and suicide squad we could be getting more wb property games!
@@beniguess6637 A good justice league game would be amazing to get with the original league and would be a good way for flash to get in a game
5:29 i thought this bit was sarcasm and then you were going to cut to the gameplay😂. but the game wasn't released when you uploaded this.
I thought, just like many other people, that it would be a cool game. Only if we knew what they had in store☠️☠️☠️
Only way I see this being possible is making the world & NPCs around flash move super slow while the latter moves somewhat fast through his animations whenever his ability button is activated.
A game with flash moving extremely fast will be impossibly difficult to control - bumping into objects & walls every time you try to use his speed.
Yes, I think that would be the most logical way to deal with it, and it would still give you a good sense of speed. It would be better for very high speeds.
We want the superspeed but it's tough to handle the actual effects of it. I think they could make it work like we say Quicksilver do in X-men: Let the player make moves in slow-motion, then when you're satisfied with all you've done, you can replay it in real-time speed and we will see all those slow-motion decisions happen in real-time and can laugh and have fun at it. Also, several of the Flash villains have superspeed themselves or other powers that greatly affect Flash in different ways, so there can still be challenging boss fights, but regular villains will never pose any threat at all to Flash.
Whay you said could be a cool idea, kind of like superhot as well? The fact about Flash's villains is very true, some of that is just gonna have to be implemented in the normal bad guys too.
Superman has many villains that can make a Superman game a difficult game, like lobo or doomsday
Yeah thats true but the problem is what would you make the normal enemies. Because lobo and doomsday and all would be the bosses right?
what??? only 100 subs? i swear i thought you had like 20k until i saw one of the comments! really nice video!
That's very nice of you to say! Thank you so much, appreciate it!
There is a character in warframe moves just like the flash if warframe devs made the same runing style as the character but with the flash look its gonna be goty
I looked it up and I believe you're talking about the character called Gauss? Thats a really cool character and their super apeed is pretty well done too.
Great video! I think combat would be the easy part of a Flash game if it were similar to DMC, stylish and responsive with every attack being cancelable, however fast the player input is so is Flash, with abilities like Flashtime basically being Dante's quicksilver, it's toggleable and upgradable on duration and how much it slows time but has a big cooldown, if you consume snacks from your inventory it cuts cooldown time. Snacks also helps Flash's speed healing as well and you can only carry so many so use them wisely! Phasing could make you entirely avoid damage if timed correctly similar to Dante's Royal Guard. Throwing lightning and rotating his arms would be mid to long range damage similar to Gunslinger, Trickster to focus on dodging and mobility like running and jumping up and off walls and ceilings similar to DC Universe, mixing that with combos for more style points and Swordmaster to chain melee combos. Momentum should be a mechanic similar to Vergil's concentration mechanic from DMC4 and 5 SE, but instead of a calm and precise playstyle it should be a fast and continuous playstyle, the more movement in combat the more momentum you build, the more momentum the more kinetic energy builds, the more kinetic energy the more damaging and creative the attacks and animations become, with sparks and more impactful sounds and SFXs with each hit, and if you time your attack cancels at the right times during your combos your momentum gauge should increase much faster, same goes for phasing at the right times, coupled with occasionally activating flashtime giving a boost to the momentum gauge. Which means a pro should nearly always have a full momentum gauge and actually look and feel like the Flash in combat.
Now It isn't truly a DMC clone without a devil trigger. *Infinite Mass.* Infinite Mass is a state where Flash taps into the speed force completely, his skin has a faint golden glow, orange gold lightning coursing through his suit and through his veins, and bright golden glowing eyes. The screen has a slight golden tint and it warps everything around you when you move. Lightning strikes and electrocutes by just standing still or moving around near by enemies, making it easier to stun, juggle multiple enemies and crowd control similar to Final form keyblades in KH 2, all enemies are automatically in slow motion (even some other speedsters) the momentum gauge maxes out by just moving, you move twice as fast and do twice as much damage and take far less damage. Speed healing is faster and works during combat as if you healed. Attacks and animations are flashier and the longer you keep consistent combos the faster your finisher prepares, similar to KH 3. The finisher is of course Infinite Mass Punch where Flash gets into sprinting position and lunges past his target, the camera catches up to his back as he is running and from his perspective you see night and day pass within seconds as he raises his fist and strikes his target directly in the jaw, turning his target into a pillar of light that dissipates into nothing. (IMP finisher can only be used on powerful metahumans that can survive such an attack, powerful aliens, the undead and synthetics/robots.) Infinite Mass state ends immediately after executing the finisher even if there is still meter left. If Infinite Mass ends or is toggled off Flash will be in the *Fatigued* state temporarily, every positive effect you got from Infinite Mass becomes a negative effect when it's gone. And you can't use Flashtime during this state. (there should be items to counter these effects)
Of course there should be different enemy types and ways to deal with each one to make a challenge. One that comes to mind are the speed force vests the aliens wore to move on par with the Flash family in the 1 minute war Flash comic, if those could be implemented into the story and used by specific enemies it would be more challenging, especially when it's a lot of them. Maybe phasing and bullet time wont work on them and you have to rely on dodging with trickster moving in and out when there is an opening. And the tanky enemies should be easier to defeat by stripping their defenses with phase grabbing, similar to Nero's Devil Buster/Breaker with different animations depending on the enemy it's used on. Status effects and elemental effects should also be considered, like frost and stun etc, but keeping it simple and fun is key.
Traversal is the difficult part, you want to feel fast but it's easier said than done, you don't want it to feel as slow as Infamous 2, or as fast as Warframe, and you also don't want it to hold your hand either like a glorified fast travel. I think the only way proper central city traversal should work for Flash is through machs/levels of speed that you unlock through the game, with each level making Flash faster and everything else around him slower, navigation becoming more reliant on your reflexes and timing to cut corners sharply. I imagine central city to be an open world to traverse through, similar to Spider-Man PS4's New York but Flash shouldn't be able to run into cars or pedestrians at super speeds, instead he should automatically phase through them but it slows him down a bit. Avoiding sidewalks and running in the center of the street and slide drifting turns are ways to keep your speed up, you also have the ability to dash left, right and jump over cars to keep your speed up, which would be a fun challenge for races to be created around the city by devs and other players. Races should have a leaderboard showing everyone's personal best for that specific race, and using flashtime also effects your time.
Mach 1 would be a maxed out DC Universe speedster with a slight visual distortion to make it feel faster, mach 2 would be a level 99 Sonic from Sonic Frontiers. More of a challenge to navigate at that speed through central city but if you get the hang of it you will feel like a professional speedster. Mach 3 would break the sound barrier and everything around you is slower with more visual distortions. At this speed turning normally wouldn't work very well so the triggers (for controllers) should snap turn you left and right while you sprint forward, timing your turns to cut corners becomes necessary at this speed, becoming more of a reflex game. You can use Flashtime without a cooldown while not in combat to slow everything around you even more, making those turns easier. Trickster would allow you to run up and jump across buildings at the same 3 levels of speed, similar to DC Universe but immensely faster.
And we can't forget Barry Allen gameplay moments through the story while he's not running around as The Flash like investigating metahumans, forensic work, crime scenes etc, I'm sure there is so much more to a Flash game that would make it perfect, I hope you found this comment food for thought and that it gave you a few ideas. Please feel free to share your thoughts with me as well!
This is such a wonderful comment to recieve, thank you! I really appreciate it that you took the time to write out something like this on my video.
As for what you said, your ideas as really good, you've basically designed an entire game, things like the speed vests would be really cool to keep the gameplay difficult as your enemy would be as fast as you. The speed increasing in parts is really cool too for the traversal, and races could be really fun. Everything you said about flashtime and infinite mass I completely agree with, that would all be insane to play. Just like playing as Peter in the Spider-Man games, it would be cool to have investigation parts to the game. There are just so many cool possibilities for such a Flash game, and you've listed so many good ones!
Your ideas seem worthy of being a game designer's (and maybe you are one, or will be haha) , considering all your knowledge of other games.
Comments like these are really great, as I get to discuss these things I love with other people, and seeing their view on things is wonderful.
Your creativity is great , and I'm not kidding when I say I can actually see a Flash game based on what you've described. Hopefully we get a game like what you've described in the future.🤞
And maybe it'll have baruchbelmont5821 listed as a creative director😃
@@beniguess6637 Hahah I really appreciate you for the reply! I wasn't expecting anybody to read it all. 😭I believe it's absolutely possible to make a great Flash game that is fun, has depth and is challenging. I'm very glad you like my ideas, and hey maybe sooner than later you will actually see my name in the credits of a Flash game! I got in contact with a developer named Esphrame who is working on a Flash game called Propulsion, and we think very similarly about the mechanics, and he likes my ideas! You should definitely check out the progress when you have a minute.
I've seen footage of propulsion on RUclips, I've even used a clip of the combat in this video, I thought that it looked really cool. It's great to hear you could be working on that, its seems like its a really polished game, and your ideas could be great with it, all the best!
I just imagine a Flash game where you control the speed you're moving at by scrolling the mouse wheel, so the change is very gradual and you have lots of speeds at which you can approach a situation. On console it would probably work with the controller gyroscope, say you hold a button and by tilting the controller you change the speed. That way, you can change the speed at which you're moving without having to stop or make weird awfward movements.
The map in a Flash game would have to feature a lot of open spaces, very wide corridors, gentle corners and lots of different areas to traverse. The speed and angle of attack would determine the type and strength of the attack, so instead of using lots of different buttons/gadgets, your choice of engagement would be determined by how fast you're going, how much kinetic energy you've accumulated and how/how long you were pressing the attack button. Attacking a target could also be tied to quick-time events that work as the combos from the spiderman games, and instead of having specific buttons you have to press for the QTE to be successful, you can sort of "customize" the attacks you deal by choosing which attack to use during the QTE.
In general, it just has to come down to gameplay, how do you: 1. Make it bearable at a speed you can still manage, 2. Make you feel like you're going fast, make you feel like a speedster and 3. Make it fun.
Yes exactly, your final three three points sum up the basic needs of a Flash game! The attacks changing based on soeed does sound like a good idea, but i dont know if the mouse wheel scrolling or the controller gyroscope would become a bit annoying after playing for a few moments, but like you said adding several levels of customizable speed could be good.
@@beniguess6637 it would definitely have to be a thing to be workshopped and fine tuned as to not feel annoying.
there is a flash game in roblox, which works perfectly. you have the option to either slow down time or run super fast. you can switch those two anytime. they made an open world with some iconic flash locations, like star labs, ccpd and MANY more. as for combat, you can use different abilities like lightning bolts and tornado hands, but there aren't boss fights or thugs, you just fight other players. if there were thugs, I'd like to go in slow-mo, change thugs' positions and stuff and then exit slow-mo, kinda like quicksilver from the x-men movies. for boss fights, they'd have to add other speedsters otherwise there's basically no point
Yes that would be a super fun part in a flash game to do things like in the quicksilver scene. Can you tell me the name of the flash roblox game?
@@beniguess6637 it's called flash project speed force, you can make a video on it. I'd gladly help if needed ❤️👍
I'll surely check it out. Thank you!
@@beniguess6637 you're welcome!
a flash game actually does have potential.. I thought I remembered one existing already.
Yeah, it really does. Thanks for commenting in many of videos!
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Certified adobe flash player moment
Adobe flash player be like : ☠️
Theres a game being developed called "Into the Speed Force", its in the early stages but super cool, and done very well.
Yeah, another person commented about it too, its really cool.
Warframe did Super speed very well.
Another person also said that, and yeah it looks good.
With spider man & batman be able to be made its more then possible to make a flash game i guess its about the market for a flash game
Yeah dont you agree there is a market for a Flash game though?
Well you see, FLASH was phased out years ago...
On the contrary, I think the hype for him is only speeding up...
Great video, keep up the good work
Thank you!
wait but theres tons of "flash" games on newgrounds
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Here me out. This might sound stupid to people who understand games better than me, but why don't we just do Gta, but replace the car with flash running. He could just go as fast as a car and still be able to have enough room to move around cars. Then, for combat, we can just do Arkham Knight style gameplay where it's just arkham, but he moves as fast as Arkham Knight Batman with like a lightning animation around him. Just surf this Flash's speed a bit.
That doesn't sound stupid at all. It is what fans want, where it is an open world game and good combat. Its just that the hard part is getting the feel of playing as the flash right. Sure, you could just make him as fast as a car, but that would feel kind of like a cop out right, considering he is the fastest man alive. And for the combat, what you said is absolutely right, something like Arkham Knight's combat, but with a Flash spin to it. If you've played Arkham Knight and watched some Batman movies, you would know that the combat in tjat game feels exactly like the Batman. So they would have to get that type of feeling for a Flash game, that you feel like the Flash.
But yeah, it can be similar to GTA, if everything is just more flash-ified, for lack of a better term.
@beniguess6637 Great points. I agree. I really appreciate you taking the time out of your day to respond to my comment. Thank you ❤️
GTA flash mods show me that a flash game could work
Yeah a better developed version of those mods would be a great foundation for a stand-alone flash game.
Every play through is a speed run
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There are many Flash games, but there are no Flash Games
Yes it is truly a shame that there are more Flash games than there are Flash games, especially considering there are Flash games are better than Flash games
I would LOVE a Green Lantern game
Yeah the possibilities for a green lantern game are also really cool, especially the space setting along with the powers.
They saw how sega couldn't figure out how to make a sonic game for 30 years and probably went "why even try?💀👏👏"
Sega have made pretty good sonic games, but overall, yeah, they have been of varying degrees of 'good'. But Sega has had a good formula though, it's just lacking in some aspects.
Years ago I think I saw a Flash mod for another game? Looked like Superman Returns
That sounds interesting, I can't seem to find any information for it online though. How did the gameplay seem?
@@beniguess6637 The video cut between him running through the streets and fighting. He did an uppercut surrounded by lightning. It's so long ago it could be a false memory
Oh alright. Thanks for sharing!
Dc universe online did a great job tho
It really did do Super Speed very well, it was just so fun to run around.
into the speedforce a flash game
Yeah it is a flash game, though a fan made one.
Let’s be real. Street level hero’s make the best superhero games. If they made a flash game. They’d need to setup the world so that he’d have a huge nerf wether it’s his own powers or the world around him targeting his weakness. Like if captain cold mas produced his weapons to kill flash.
Yeah, street level heroes or heroes that arent too overpowered can certainly be made into games more easily.
Not impossible whatsoever for example we have the Prototype games and Saints Row 4
Yeah it isn't impossible, but if one is made, it would have to be done very well, cuz the flash's super speed can easily be messed up.
Thanks for commenting!
wb says its impossible but warframe done that 2 times
*_sonic frontiers has left the chat_*
roblox + minecraft mods coming in clutch
Flash wouldn't sell because he doesn't have the same level of popularity as batman or superman hell i dont even recall a solo cartoon for flash other then justice league lol.
I think you're right in some regards byt I also believe that the flash is a really popular character. And a game where you get to play as a speedster would just be an appealing idea to many gamers
For combat: pressing the attack button once = 3-5 hits
Just an idea
Yeah that could really make you feel like you have super speed, its just that the damage from each hit would maybe have to he reduced.
What do you mean? There's plenty of Flash games :)
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I don’t care if it’s slower.
But then where would you draw the line? Like what level of speed do you think needs to be there as an absolute minimum?
I think I may know why they don’t do Flash games, because Sonic the Hedgehog is a thing.
Yeah but there aren't any cool open world sonic games, well maybe frontiers but still many people say it's too empty and stuff, or maybe Sonic 06
Just in concept are similar, i always felt like in the open world sonic games there was not ennough speed
I've never seen a game about iron man too
Luckily there is one in development right now if im not mistaken. Hopefully itll be good and not a boring live service game given the track record of recent superhero games. Im excited for it though
Well there are the movie tie in video games but those aren't really good.
Yeah that is true, but like you said they arent really the best. As far as movie tie in game standards go, they are the better of the bunch.
Dc universe was goated
So I'm I the only one that thinks like y'all remember a telltale Batman? Y not a flash telltale?
That's a pretty good idea actually, but I think I would want one with super speed first. Great idea though, choice based games are always really cool.
as much i love spiderman and batman, can we have like a doctor strange game or a thor game,
A doctor strange game seems like a really good idea, cause it could have a really unique gameplay style, if whoever makes it decides to make it like that.
amazing work do you have a discord server id love to join it
Thank you! Unfortunately I don't have a discord server maybe one at 1000 subs!
Turns out flash is to powerful to be added into a game 😅
Haha yeah, he is pretty overpowered, but it can still be done though
nice
Much nice, so wow
Because he is not popular like Batman, Spider-Man, Catwoman it's seems they think he not deserve and worthy to be into a game😼😏😌😄✅👍👍😂🤣😹
Yeah but thats only true in the gaming sector,he is really popular among DC fans and just superhero fans as a whole.
@@beniguess6637 Yeah, very depending I think
Play Saints Row 4.
Bc we have sonic the hedgehog
Someone else said that too, but I think a flash game would be really different and there aren't many cool sonic open world games. Considering we have so many unique shooter games, why cant we have many cool speedster games too?
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Because DC Sucks Batman is the omly good Hero the others are trash compare to marvel
Thats an interesting viewpoint, but dont you think there are a lot of cool DC superheroes other than Batman?
@@beniguess6637 most DC heroes are trashm thinking they are gods like the trash superman, thinking there jsutice league is without any faults, there aer manny more fake heroes like green arrows sidekcik speedy, kid flash and other, to arrogant and all, wihtout there powers they are complet helpless, batman uses his gadget but even without them he can still beat up others, he used his brain alone to defeat darkside will the supertrash would not even have defeated darkside with all his power combined, that is why batman had so manny games while others had none, superman games where totally trash too
I understand where youre coming from, but i still believe that many dc superheroes can have cool games, but they just havent gotten that oppurtunity yet. Cheers!
@@beniguess6637 dc heroes will never have as much games as marvel one, there are 5 more mavel hero games in developemtn, wolverine, cap america, black panter, ironmen and thor
Yeah your right in that regard, till now marvels always been better at making games for their properties in terms of quantity and also quality
There is no Flash game because there would be no believable stakes considering 99% of his villains can be easily beaten.
The situation is the same for Flash as a superhero but the comics still manage to present amazing plotlines, so I think it would certainly be possible.
@@beniguess6637 If the foundation for those plotlines are rubble then the whole plotlines are rubble. The biggest mistake was making the Flash faster than light. I mean you mean to tell me that the guy who can run faster than light loses to someone like Captain cold or Mirror master? I mean they got it right a few times like in the 2013 Flashpoint movie but not in any of the big media like the Justice league movies and the CW’s Flash.
Yeah it is quite difficult to strike a balance, even in the movies and shows, so its gonna need even more consideration in the games.
Incredible work!
Thank you!!
This title, out of context, is one of the most egregiously incorrect statements I’ve ever read, lol.
I think it makes sense with the proper context though
@@beniguess6637 Absolutely, but I couldn’t help but read it out of context and it made me chuckle, lol.
You're right its pretty funny just as the title.
@@beniguess6637 I’ve grown accustomed to reading titles before the thumbnail, because, and I’m not accusing you of this, the thumbnail is usually more misleading than the title. So when I read the title, my first thought was, “uh…Newgrounds?” lol
I’m glad you can tell I didn’t mean anything by it. It just made me laugh and I figured it might make others laugh, too.
Yeah it does sound like Adobe Flash games. Those were so fun though.
ngl i think they should make dc universe online 2
That would actually be really cool considered the first one was made so long ago
there is Into the speed force being developed even though it is not official
Yes, it looks like it's one of the most popular flash fan games in development
I test real Hyper-speed and Flash-time with my Flash. There is no reason to Play the Flash in other way.
What you've done definitely looks really cool, and it could be great for just traversal, but the question of how would you translate it to good gameplay also comes up.
@@beniguess6637 Thank You. Requires lots of testing to discover how to translate into Gameplay. At minimum a Racer or Endless Runner.