While Zen device is controversial right now, it is not cheating. Just another tech device that modifies a part of your experience, similar to how a Gaming monitor helps with refresh rates or how a gaming router can can input lag. My experience with Zen and a sniper is that nothing really changes except the screen shakes a bit. I havent felt a difference with the Aim assist option, but thats probably because destiny has high aim assist and high bullet magnetism already (ever been shot through a wall?) Side note, Ive never been great at sniper, no matter the game i play. lol
Fitness and Games for me its clearly cheating if you dont have to control recoil but let a device do it for you. Plus rapid fire, strafe fire and all the other bullsh... Also i name mnk on console cheating, because that input method with the aim assists you get on console is just unfair against controller users.
Whats funny is that the MnK users hate on people that use controller on PC for the same reasons you are discussing here. lol. I am putting out a video today on my overall thoughts on using the Zen. I would honestly enjoy hearing more of your feedback, especially because you have been respectful with your opinions.
pacinoall that was referred to me a while back. It mentions hardware devices but never specified which ones. They did qualify things though, by saying that anything that effects the game and gameplay files are considered offenses and will be banned. Those would be more accurately described as hacking, and zen does not do that. I think there is a mention in the code of conduct too, but again, it was specific. Just a boiler plate reference
Not yet! I was playing around with Iz. Burden earlier and got some video of how, i think, the Anti-recooil and Aim Assist works for Snipers using Zen. Basically, it brings you back to neutral position more quickly after a shot. Other than that, I havent noticed a huge different in Sniping.
I'm more of a pc player, I've been trying to see if I can get the mouse and keyboard settings to feel the same as on PC but maybe I need to up my DPI, because ill get random chugs of movement instead of it being fluid, have you messed with the M&K at all?
No. It’s not aim lock, which is a hack. Cronus zen can only help you do things that you controller can already do. It’s actually why I started putting videos up. So people could see it’s not a hack or cheat device
so for snipers, I have been playing around with a much higher AR setting. Like....70-75. It snaps the gun straight back down after you fire so that you can engage other players more quick. But this only works if i run a sub machine gun or some other crazy recoil weapon
Alex Smith I have footage I’m going to upload of a high rate of fire pulse and the Lonesome side arm. And omg!! With full auto and recoil control, side arms are melt machines!
With the Cronus zen, you plug into a PC and manually plug in settings. Then you switch and plug into console with controller attached. For FPS strike pack, you have to activate the controller and pick a setting from the guide they give you
its modified hardware to run scripts, scripts that are designed to give you an unfair advantage like autofire even macros can be an breach of the code of conduct.
by this very definition, ANY gaming hardware that is designed to give you an "unfair advantage" qualifies as cheating and breach of contract. I discussed this in my most recent video. Example being Gaming monitor Versus a TV. If YOU have a gaming monitor and I do not, YOU have the advantage because of "improved graphics and frame rates," which is specifically mentioned as cheating in the same code of conduct you are referring to. Fact is, if bungie thought or felt that Zen was cheating, or more specifically hacking....they would call it out directly. The scripts do not have any effect on the games files or the games hardware. It does not effect or modify the controller itself either. Look man, I get it. It feels unfair if you dont have one too. I agree with this. It may even be borderline cheating in regard to the definition of "unfair advantage." But Zen is not hacking, which is what i believe most people are accusing this product of being. Its just another piece of tech.
I also want to say thank you! You have been incredibly respectful in your posts about a gaming product you clearly feel strongly about. I really do appreciate your honesty and respect.
@@CronusChronicles I agree that its not hacking, you are not injecting any code. But I definitely think it falls under the category of modified hardware. In regards to tv vs a gaming monitor its an advantage yes but not an unfair one in my opinion. Its just a higher quality product or a more suitable one for the task at hand. The graphics doesnt change , it may improve picture quality nor can it change the fps in game. The game is still running and playing as intended. Scripts are designed to break that and to trick the game and exploit game mechanics like aim assist and rapid fire and auto fire and so on. I dont work at or for Bungie nor can I with any degree of certainty say what bungie consider a breach of contract. We will just have to agree to disagree on this matter. I wish you well and good luck with your channel.
"modified hardware" would be if i took apart my Elite controller, or my Xbox, and changed it. Which is illegal by the TOS agreement of Microsoft and stated as a code of conduct violation by Bungie. Zen is just a controller attachment device, not a modification of hardware. I swear im not trying to be Super mister technical guy here. lol. I had debated this with a buddy of mine who is a developer for Blizzard. The long and the short of it.....they dont really like the Zen device or things like it because it takes away the skill development part of learning a new game. Or in his words, it makes you a lazy gamer since you dont have to work as hard to reduce recoil or learn recoil patterns. But no, it cant be considered cheating any more than the other devices i mentioned in my latest video could be considered cheating.
The problem is, this really isn’t “hardware”. It’s third party software performing a task automatically and then providing that game input for you. A controller, no matter how snazzy still requires you to make that input and only transcribed that exact input. Even though the ergonomics might be better than other controllers and provides an advantage to those who are capable of utilizing it, it’s not a guaranteed advantage. Something like this allows anyone to have an immediate advantage through use of its internal software that essentially “piggybacks” bungie’s.
Code of Conduct or License Agreement Violation Bungie regards some behavior to be in breach of the Code of Conduct or the license agreement that governs Destiny, and therefore may be restricted or banned from some or all Destiny content or activities. This behavior includes, but is not limited to: Connecting to the Destiny game service with any of the following: Modified game software Modified game assets Modified hardware Modified console firmware Modified operating system files including emulators and virtual machines Using an external program to modify or analyze the operation of the Destiny game software, such as: Trainers, mods, cheats, aimbots, or autofire. User mode or kernel debuggers Graphics hacks
Zen does not perform any of these, although I see the wording used is a bit tricky. They are specifically referring to their game hardware, the console itself, and game code modifications. zen does not have any effects on what is mentioned here
All these people buying these things don’t know the main reason they’re bad. It’s definitely not because of this being a thing. Unfortunately for most players, even with more artificial aim assist they won’t get better. Map awareness and breaking predictable habits are some of the more basic, but most effective ways of staying alive in a match. Your aim might be better, but you’re still going to get clowned on. No offense to the content creator, but that’s a lot of body shots.
No offense taken. Your post was a respectable one. And I agree with you. In my training videos, I actually encourage game play development and habit buildings before a purchase of zen or any other device. Let’s face it, zen is a bit gimmicky. It definitely won’t fix bad habits. BUT, the device does exist and a lot of people are starting to use it. We may as well be transparent about what it is and how it works. I haven’t used it in weeks myself, but I would never fault anyone for feeling like they need it.
An invis hunter bodyshots with his sniper and cleans up with a sidearm. I dont see why that type of play would need a cheat device.
While Zen device is controversial right now, it is not cheating. Just another tech device that modifies a part of your experience, similar to how a Gaming monitor helps with refresh rates or how a gaming router can can input lag. My experience with Zen and a sniper is that nothing really changes except the screen shakes a bit. I havent felt a difference with the Aim assist option, but thats probably because destiny has high aim assist and high bullet magnetism already (ever been shot through a wall?)
Side note, Ive never been great at sniper, no matter the game i play. lol
Fitness and Games for me its clearly cheating if you dont have to control recoil but let a device do it for you. Plus rapid fire, strafe fire and all the other bullsh... Also i name mnk on console cheating, because that input method with the aim assists you get on console is just unfair against controller users.
Whats funny is that the MnK users hate on people that use controller on PC for the same reasons you are discussing here. lol.
I am putting out a video today on my overall thoughts on using the Zen. I would honestly enjoy hearing more of your feedback, especially because you have been respectful with your opinions.
@@CronusChronicles you should prob read bungies tos
pacinoall that was referred to me a while back. It mentions hardware devices but never specified which ones. They did qualify things though, by saying that anything that effects the game and gameplay files are considered offenses and will be banned. Those would be more accurately described as hacking, and zen does not do that.
I think there is a mention in the code of conduct too, but again, it was specific. Just a boiler plate reference
What about some new video for the sniper in the meta rigt now?
yea man! will do. Im working on the Palindrome right now. I want to do one with the Frozen Orbit and Im curious if I can tame E. Vow.
also I run regular enabled instead of inverted Y
Uzume settings video
Did u try eye of sol? I am curious with the Revoker being sunsetted how another sniper would be.
Not yet! I was playing around with Iz. Burden earlier and got some video of how, i think, the Anti-recooil and Aim Assist works for Snipers using Zen. Basically, it brings you back to neutral position more quickly after a shot. Other than that, I havent noticed a huge different in Sniping.
I enjoy watching your more relaxed play style as opposed to the typical You-Tuber pc sweaty tryhards.
Percy Jackson yea man! Game should be fun! I’m only a sweaty try hard in the gym.....usually. Lol
I'm more of a pc player, I've been trying to see if I can get the mouse and keyboard settings to feel the same as on PC but maybe I need to up my DPI, because ill get random chugs of movement instead of it being fluid, have you messed with the M&K at all?
Not yet. I think i need a second keyboard to set up the actually Mnk. I am planning on trying that in the future tho
sounds like a mouse acceleration issue maybe nothing to do with your dpi
I thought with cronus zen you can have auto aim on head and get crits every time?
No. It’s not aim lock, which is a hack. Cronus zen can only help you do things that you controller can already do.
It’s actually why I started putting videos up. So people could see it’s not a hack or cheat device
Somehow I don't think the modded controller was helping. I think the real problem has been revealed pretty clearly
Correct actually. This game play was my way of showing every one that zen is not cheating or hacking.
How does mouse and keyboard work cronuszen? Is it laggy at all?
I haven’t tried it yet. I really should try that out soon lol
@@CronusChronicles well let me know how it goes lol I'm looking to get one
are you still using these settings or have you decided to change anything?
so for snipers, I have been playing around with a much higher AR setting. Like....70-75. It snaps the gun straight back down after you fire so that you can engage other players more quick. But this only works if i run a sub machine gun or some other crazy recoil weapon
@@CronusChronicles ill try 75! im going to see if i can get the drang figured out tonight,
Alex Smith I have footage I’m going to upload of a high rate of fire pulse and the Lonesome side arm. And omg!! With full auto and recoil control, side arms are melt machines!
@@CronusChronicles Damn right they are! I have a couple different ones that are great! Enigmas Draw is amazing, Drang, Vestian Dynasty etc
Why do you use low aim assist? Is there a problem when you go over 50?
yea. i get crazy camera shaking when i go over 50. Its crazy
Are these mods preset?
No. You can pick and choose which ones you want to use
Thx....another great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
Hi I was wondering how you activate this mod pack in game
With the Cronus zen, you plug into a PC and manually plug in settings. Then you switch and plug into console with controller attached.
For FPS strike pack, you have to activate the controller and pick a setting from the guide they give you
Extra Aim assist and only 1 head shot that whole video??? Practicing to be a good sniper works better than your Zen apparently
its modified hardware to run scripts, scripts that are designed to give you an unfair advantage like autofire even macros can be an breach of the code of conduct.
by this very definition, ANY gaming hardware that is designed to give you an "unfair advantage" qualifies as cheating and breach of contract. I discussed this in my most recent video. Example being Gaming monitor Versus a TV. If YOU have a gaming monitor and I do not, YOU have the advantage because of "improved graphics and frame rates," which is specifically mentioned as cheating in the same code of conduct you are referring to.
Fact is, if bungie thought or felt that Zen was cheating, or more specifically hacking....they would call it out directly. The scripts do not have any effect on the games files or the games hardware. It does not effect or modify the controller itself either.
Look man, I get it. It feels unfair if you dont have one too. I agree with this. It may even be borderline cheating in regard to the definition of "unfair advantage." But Zen is not hacking, which is what i believe most people are accusing this product of being. Its just another piece of tech.
I also want to say thank you! You have been incredibly respectful in your posts about a gaming product you clearly feel strongly about. I really do appreciate your honesty and respect.
@@CronusChronicles I agree that its not hacking, you are not injecting any code. But I definitely think it falls under the category of modified hardware. In regards to tv vs a gaming monitor its an advantage yes but not an unfair one in my opinion. Its just a higher quality product or a more suitable one for the task at hand. The graphics doesnt change , it may improve picture quality nor can it change the fps in game. The game is still running and playing as intended. Scripts are designed to break that and to trick the game and exploit game mechanics like aim assist and rapid fire and auto fire and so on. I dont work at or for Bungie nor can I with any degree of certainty say what bungie consider a breach of contract. We will just have to agree to disagree on this matter.
I wish you well and good luck with your channel.
"modified hardware" would be if i took apart my Elite controller, or my Xbox, and changed it. Which is illegal by the TOS agreement of Microsoft and stated as a code of conduct violation by Bungie. Zen is just a controller attachment device, not a modification of hardware.
I swear im not trying to be Super mister technical guy here. lol. I had debated this with a buddy of mine who is a developer for Blizzard. The long and the short of it.....they dont really like the Zen device or things like it because it takes away the skill development part of learning a new game. Or in his words, it makes you a lazy gamer since you dont have to work as hard to reduce recoil or learn recoil patterns. But no, it cant be considered cheating any more than the other devices i mentioned in my latest video could be considered cheating.
The problem is, this really isn’t “hardware”. It’s third party software performing a task automatically and then providing that game input for you. A controller, no matter how snazzy still requires you to make that input and only transcribed that exact input. Even though the ergonomics might be better than other controllers and provides an advantage to those who are capable of utilizing it, it’s not a guaranteed advantage. Something like this allows anyone to have an immediate advantage through use of its internal software that essentially “piggybacks” bungie’s.
Excelente video
Thanks!!
Code of Conduct or License Agreement Violation
Bungie regards some behavior to be in breach of the Code of Conduct or the license agreement that governs Destiny, and therefore may be restricted or banned from some or all Destiny content or activities.
This behavior includes, but is not limited to:
Connecting to the Destiny game service with any of the following:
Modified game software
Modified game assets
Modified hardware
Modified console firmware
Modified operating system files including emulators and virtual machines
Using an external program to modify or analyze the operation of the Destiny game software, such as:
Trainers, mods, cheats, aimbots, or autofire.
User mode or kernel debuggers
Graphics hacks
Zen does not perform any of these, although I see the wording used is a bit tricky. They are specifically referring to their game hardware, the console itself, and game code modifications. zen does not have any effects on what is mentioned here
Hope you know then zen is undetectable. Lmao!
Man I wish I was in those shit lobbies, easy *We Ran*
LOL! My lobbies are hit or miss now a days. Its either a 20-30 k/d game or i run into a 4-6 stack and get pub stumped. lol
@@CronusChronicles good play tho. So you play on xbox or ps4
Xbox
Can't beat em...Join em!!!
All these people buying these things don’t know the main reason they’re bad. It’s definitely not because of this being a thing. Unfortunately for most players, even with more artificial aim assist they won’t get better. Map awareness and breaking predictable habits are some of the more basic, but most effective ways of staying alive in a match. Your aim might be better, but you’re still going to get clowned on. No offense to the content creator, but that’s a lot of body shots.
No offense taken. Your post was a respectable one. And I agree with you. In my training videos, I actually encourage game play development and habit buildings before a purchase of zen or any other device. Let’s face it, zen is a bit gimmicky. It definitely won’t fix bad habits. BUT, the device does exist and a lot of people are starting to use it. We may as well be transparent about what it is and how it works. I haven’t used it in weeks myself, but I would never fault anyone for feeling like they need it.