End of the Line No.2 - Epping
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- It's Episode Two of 'End of the Line' and we're on the Central Line out in Zone 6, to visit Epping station. What is there? What's the station like? Didn't the line used to go futher? And if you've never been yourself - will this inspire you to go to make a trip all the way to Epping to see it !?
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No one going to mention how perfectly timed the end of the video was. Super satisfying Geoff!
Thanks 👍 VERY SATISFYING wasn't it!!! made me smile too when it happened :)
And it only took 55 takes too 😉
agreed
@@geofftech2 the Epping at Sydney used to be the end of the line :)
Apparently this was filmed in reverse and played backwards. Geoff has the unique ability to talk backwards. He started speaking as soon as the train doors closed, then the video was reversed. Genius.
"Do you like Epping?"
"I don't know, I've never epped!"
A joke used at every opportunity by my recently departed father in law. Somewhat frequently given he lived in Leytonstone. At least Geoff can say he has properly epped now!
very ept joke, thanks for sharing!
You could say he's epped off!
Did you persuade the missus to make his grave marker read "Here lies the late [name]" - so that he would have ""late" on stone?🎃
It's the age-old Kipling joke!
I’ve also never epped!
You were absolutely INCREDIBLE at staying completely still in Jay's new video!
I know right? He was crazy
Mad lol.It’s a tube map video so Geoff had to be somewhere
Ikr
He ran out of steam 🔥🤣
Wait what? Which one?
I actually used Blake Hall Station (Ongar extension) several times back in the 1970's as it served Britain's oldest wooden church which looks incredible.
Stuart Hall,
Now you can call yourself Stuart Blake Hall.
One Monday morning about 1979, I spoke to the staff member at Blake Hall, expressing my simple view of it being quiet, the quietest on LT. Not at all, I was corrected, he had sold fourteen tickets that morning. I didn't like to ask how many were weekly tickets.
The location was, probably still is, romantically rural.
Your presenting is so professional. It feels like a TV documentary.
It’s a surprise no tv network has contacted him to produce a London transport documentary
Hi Geoff, British Rail owned the track and maintained it till 1971. A friend of mine, held the last BR residential staff pass from Loughton, as he joined prior to 1971.
Every time Geoff said “End of the line” I started humming the Travelling Wilburys song.
Also looking at the copyright notice at the end of the video I’ve only just noticed how strangely satisfying the year 2022 is in Roman numerals with it being MMXXII.
So excited for the end of the Waterloo and City line!!
I'm excited for Heathrow Terminal 5's video. That will be a short one!
Same! Also looking forward to that one 😅😂
But which end? 🤔
And Kensington Olympia!
Damn. If you hadn't made that joke, I was about to... :D
Amersham station's car park has about twice the number of spaces as Epping's (over 1000). But as it council owned and run, rather than LU owned/NCP run, it never figures in these stats. Even before the recent expansion, it was slightly bigger than Epping's.
Interesting as well that the TFL website does say Amersham station has a car park which would in theory would make it the biggest car park according to the TFL website even if not owned by them.
I suppose because Amersham also has Chiltern Railway services, not all the passengers will be for the LU service either.
This series makes me want to do a tour of the end-of-line stations here on our own Singapore’s MRT network. There’s a certain quality to terminal stations, wherever they are, and they definitely deserve more appreciation.
tbh there's nothing much to it, even on the tuas west extension (other than it's the nearest to the checkpoint to malaysia but there's no foot entry to the checkpoint as policy.)
They are all quite busy other than woodlands north, tuas link and marina South pier
@@shawnli4746 Tuas Link definitely has that quiet ambience. I should visit that station and the area around it more often when I need some quiet away time.
Newcastle Airport on T&W Metro is so hugely disappointing (and expensive given its one stop away from Callerton PW but in a different fare zone).
St James' is HUGE when empty most times but not that big when NUFC are at home at SJP (or events on).
South Shields is "tidy" with handy semi-integrated bus station under it (platform elevated). This is the newest termini having moved about 100mtr further West from the old station.
South Hylton feels like it's in the countryside even though its just off the A19 & about 10km from Sunderland City centre.
Please do. I’d watch.
Hi Geoff, was a pleasure meeting you outside the pub yesterday post half marathon! Hope your legs are not in too much pain this morning and thank you for the selfie!
I was a signalman at Epping in 64/65 the car park was at that time a goods yard and on night shift nearly always had a diesel dropping off and picking up truck’s before heading off to Ongar. In those days it wasn’t a particularly busy signal box plenty of time for hobbies. Happy days.
Fun fact.
Sydney's Epping was also an end of the line from 2009-2018 as part of the Epping - Chatswood rail extension.
Prior to this from opening it was always a thru station on the T9/ Main Northern line, but became one end point to the T1 North Shore line.
In 2018 the line was closed and converted to Metro standard along with the extension to Tallawong.
Epping in Melbourne used to be the end of its line, before it was extended to South Morang in 2012, and later Mernda.
The opening of the train doors in the final shot Geoff were perfectly timed.
came here last summer for a walk around the town, had a great day
Frank Pick has his own RUclips channel. Who'd ever have thought that would happen?
Hi Geoff. Just watched Jay’s video on the tube map. You did absolutely amazing there! Some scenes killed me. Keep on!
This Frank Pick guy is a lot more animated than I expected.
This popped up literally as I was coming into Epping station. Epping, New South Wales.
When I started working for Network Rail, way back in 2007, I first became aware of how distances are measured on the network, and some of the peculiarities of them. One of the strangest on my area was the Days Road Siding in Bristol. A short siding that ran from the line between Temple Meads and Filton and used for refuse trains and formerly linked to the docks. Most distances in the area were set from Paddington, but this one siding had a datum in Derby. Why? It hadn’t always been a siding. It used to be a branch of the midland railway route between Birmingham and Bath which was long since truncated to Westerleigh Oil Terminal. When it was connected to the former Great Western network to continue serving the docks, it kept its original, now long since severed, mileage datum.
I lived in Theydon Bois and went to school in Epping so went through that station twice a day for 5 years between 1972 to 1977. I was very lucky as my older brother was a central line train driver and sometimes we got to look in the cab between Theydon and Epping stations, but I will deny that if asked lol. He also drove the Epping to Ongar line.
Interesting tidbit for you about the Epping station in Melbourne (pronounced Melbun by us locals), Epping station was opened, then closed. Rebuilt the other side of the road, and then moved again a few hundred metres, before being rebuilt underground, closer to the original position.
YES Geoff did not quite get the pronunciation of Melbourne quite right but I have heard worse attempts. I grew up in Reservoir which is about 4 stations south of Epping. Your history re Epping station is spot on.
@@DavidJones-kn9zb At least to his credit it wasn’t as bad as some of the attempts by people from the USA. 🤣
Cracking video, Mr Pick! 👍🏻
Good to see L11 up close, the other end stars in the live cam feed (on RUclips) from Epping Signal Cabin!
The cabin is part of Epping Museum, which is open every Saturday 10 til 4:30pm. Come and have a look round inside it.
Great video as always Geoff. Just to let you know the FP the white marker post near the points, stands for 'Fouling Point.' It's where there is not enough clearance for two trains to pass safely.
It would be great to see Geoff do a future series visiting all the London Underground namesake stations in Australia. He could cover a fair percentage of the Tube Map across the various systems.
Too many to do just here in Sydney...
But I'd like to see it too
I recon that yellow loco is much older then 1964...the epping-ongar branch was fantastic to work on in the summer..a pretty magical little line. Imagine being the station master of Blake hall station in the 1930s-40s..difficult to think of a better job.
Jay uploaded, then Geoff! loved the little cameos
Just got back from doing this end of the line Journey! Third one we've completed. Was a lovely day out, nice market in the high street, walk through the forest, and great lunch at a little Turkish spot. Have to pick an End of the Line for the next holiday.
If you're old like me and live in Essex, you may well have used Epping station during the rail strikes of the '70s. I did and changed trains onto the Ongar shuttle. I seem to remember that the destination screen at Holborn had a position for direct trains to Ongar but didn't manage to ever see such a train.
Loving watching your videos. Great information.👍😊🇮🇪🇬🇧
Really looking forward to the Heathrow Terminal 5 Video!
Loving this series. I often squint up at a TfL map opposite my tube seat and wonder about these places.
Hilarious work
So grateful for this abundantly amazing information
Geoff, the 0.o point is actually at the buffer stops at the end of the head shunt at Ongar, that is the actual end of the line. The post with "FP" on it is a "Fouling Point" marker. Rolling stock doesn't pass this point, this allows the loco to be uncoupled, move into the head shunt, then run around the train without "fouling" it.
Just thought I'd let you know.
this was uploaded at the perfect time because i just came from the jay foreman video lol
same here!
I grew up with South Woodford as my local station and always liked this end of the Central Line. Only went to Epping station once but liked the station and it's a really nice town. Loving this series already Geoff!
I love watching your videos Geoff, they always put a smile on my face everytime you post a new video. I also know a lot about trains and i love riding on them as they make a persons day from bad to good and everytime I have a bad day then they make my day so much better.
Keep up the good work.
Ah, this brought back some distant memories - as a teen I used to work Saturdays over the road from Ongar station, and did make the journey all the way into Central London on the line a couple of times.
BTW I love your acting in Jay Foreman's Tube Map video. You emote like no one else.
The issue of (far) cheaper fares vs Greater Anglia from Harlow and further afield means the car park is often full by 7:30am and most of the town’s residential streets are a giant residents-only parking zone. Busy extends to weekends as well due to the many WHU, Spurs and even Orient fans out here, plus Westfield.
I'm so glad you started this series. I was on the tube to Hillingdon a couple of weeks ago and was thinking I really need to explore the edges, and now I definitely will be.
Don't forget to pop down the car park at Epping and take a look around (www.eppingmuseum.com). Open Saturdays.
I really must explore the "other end" of the Central line, as I used to frequent Ruislip Gardens, and often wondered how the whole trip would be like...Top video, Geoff
Great video, I've been watching this station on Railcam for some time now but have never visited. After watching your excellent and informative presentation I shall be heading eastbound.
BTW I really like e that clock on the church.
Was impressed that you mentioned the other Epping stations in Aus! Interestingly enough Epping station on the Melbourne "metro" also used to be the end of the line until the 2010s!
It’s so nice to see a new episode in the Series!
I've never needed a youtube video more than this. I've just come home, tomorrow will be a hard day, and so will the next days, and I just need to enjoy this last few hours of sanity. Thank you Geoff.
Really interesting,thanks for this
Good to see Epping Station again. I was a trainee booking clerk there in 1970. I'm glad I took the opportunity one day to take the Ongar shuttle. I've never been back to Epping or Ongar since but I must check out the heritage railway if I get the chance.
Love the shoutout to Australia's Eppings there at the end!
I have been to two of them about time I complete the set!
All The Epping Stations! Sounds rude when I say it like that...
Great new series Geoff!
Thanks so very much much, Geoff, for all you do. You make everything interesting. I watch from Hudson, NY.
Being a pedant, past Geoff forgot that distances on London Underground are measured in kilometres and metres, rather than the miles and chains that most of the National Rail network uses. (Exceptions being HS1, HS2, and the Crossrail Central Operating Section, which are all in metric units.)
I grew up in Loughton. (Well, I SAY I grew up) so I know this from 60 years ago, wandering around the forest,
In Theydon Bois, next down the line, there was a beekeeper - a German pilot shot down, POW, who just stayed.
Good vid, thanksd
Hello from Melbourne Australia
I live quite close to the Melbourne Epping station and untill the extensions to south Morang and Mernda the line was called the Epping Line!
As a Sydney Sider, Epping station is both what you would call a national rail station and underground station as it is a major interchange between Sydney Trains, NSW TrainLink (intercity) train station along with the Sydney Metro (underground style metro station) which opened in 2019 but that part of Sydney metro was originally part of the Epping to Chatswood rail line which closed in 2018 to be converted to Metro operations
Just one point regarding L11. It was built from two Standard Stock cars with most of the passenger section chopped off the two cab/power compartments welded together.
What is Frank Pick doing on Geoffs video.
There’s a great walk from Chingford station to Epping through Epping Forest - recommended!
I remember the first time I went to Epping, I had to pay an excess fare from loughton travel card ended there. Unfortunately I couldn't be bothered waiting the 90 minutes until the Ongar train so I missed out on doing the branch. Kicked myself later, especially when I saw the the Video 125 cab view.
TfL have done all they can to prevent the EOR connecting at Epping. The Ongar branch was closed after some fantastic logic from LUL (at the time). The cut down the trains to 3 a day each way, then, lo and behold, they closed the branch as the numbers were down! Pilot Developments bought the line and were supposed to run a regular service (it was Glenda Jackson as part of Blair's government) - they never did and asset stripped the land to build houses.
This line was also featured on "secrets of the london underground" on the yesterday channel. And I once travelled on it as far as northweald way back in about 1969 or 70, or thereabouts on an underground electric train which you still could way back then before the electric system was cut back to epping in september 1994.
I have used Epping station many times in the past when visiting the preserved Epping Ongar railway. They run Routemaster buses between Epping and North Weald stations on days that trains are running
Good stuff, Geoff. And cheers for the little shoutout to the stations here in Australia.
A little fact about Melbourne’s Epping station is that like the Central Line Epping, there used to be a service that operated beyond this Epping too: to Whittlesea. But then the line eventually shrunk down and terminated at Epping from the 1960s, albeit up until 2013 when it was extended to South Morang, and then further on in 2018 to Mernda where it terminates nowadays.
PS. Just to offer a slight correction: Melbourne is pronounced ‘Mel-buhn’.
Geoff, Thanks for this video and the mention of it's namesakes down under. Epping in Melbourne was also at the end of its line for a period of time following closure of the line beyond to Whittlesea, but the line has now been partially re-opened back to Mernda.
Your videos always make my day Geoff, thanks mate.
I think you forgot to mention the splendid vintage bus service that connects Epping Station to North Weald on the Epping-Ongar Railway. It's worth a trip to the end of the line just for the buses!!
Looking forward to the episodes from the Waterloo and City line ;)
Memories of Ongar as a !9 year old in 1991 at Oxford Circus jumped on to go Notting Hill then fell asleep (too many pints) wrong way ended up in Ongar and a nightmare to get home.
You must have changed trains at Epping in your sleep.
I went to Epping last month to check it out, though I couldn't stay for long as I had to head back into London to get a train home. Seems like a really nice place with nice people though, I hope to visit there again sometime soon.
Lovely series. Thank you. I think we've all been in an 'end of the line' frame of mind, while using transport..
Hey mate, do you think you'll come back to Northern Ireland to do a wee tour of the new Belfast Grand Central Station when it's finished construction in a few years? Love the videos btw, keep it up! :)
If you go to Epping when the Epping and Ongar railway are operating they provide a lovely old double decker routemaster bus from the tube station to EOR and back.
The reason the EOR isn't going to be joined back up to the tube network anytime soon is because Epping and the surrounding area don't vote Labour, so the London mayor has no interest in that part of the world.
The EOR is most definatley worth a visit though
Surely more to the point, that end of the line is in Essex, not Greater London. It wouldn't matter which way they voted, the Mayor of London has no responsibility for it.
@@davidemmott6225 The London mayor does have responsibility for TFL, and the EoR need to work with TFL to connect to the TFL network
@@sidney001 To clarify, I mean the London Mayor has no responsibility for the government of Essex. Of course he is responsible for TfL even when it runs beyond London boundaries.But he's not going to be over-enthusiastic about projects primarily benefiting non-Londoners. Like the proposed Watford extension. It would be the same if the Mayor and the county council were of the same political allegiance.
Hainult Station was kind of end of the line because of train deport
Often people would fall asleep on the last train and find themselves a long way from were they needed to be when they were woken up .
Great vids Geoff, really enjoying them 👍 👏 🙂
They used to have the central line that used to go to ongar on the Epping and ongar railway
What an Epping good episode!
One of your very best Geoff.
From 1959 to 2008 Epping Station in Melbourne, Australia was the once the End of the Line it was extended twice since
I wonder how close the circles are on the venn diagram representing Geoff viewers and Jay viewers... I imagine the overlap in the middle is larger than the rest of the circles combined! 🤣👍🏼
God, there are a lot of "It's Frank Pick! " commenrs under this video, that's quite nice actually.
Another great video Geoff. Epping Sydney was my home station for 10 years! :-)
Epping when I come to the UK is my end of the line. Heathrow, Barons Court, Mile End, Epping. (Reverse going home). I only wish the line still ran to Ongar, the bus service is shall we say; slow! So when you have done the journey from home, transport to Montreal, air journey to London and TFL to Epping, that bus is just what you do not need!
Rekky interesting Geoff, I've watched all your episodes, thoroughly enjoyed them! Many tears ago in the late seventies I used to visit London fairly often, you could get a day return first class for £10. The first train from Barrow was I think around 6:00am, getting into London around 10ish. Returning there was a through train to Barrow which left Euston at 23:55, so I could use it on the day return. It was compartment stock, usually pretty empty, so stretch out on a seat, nice sleep and wake up in Barrow. Those were the days! On one of my trips I got an underground all line ticket for a day and kept changing trains without looking at where I was and where the train was going! Great fun!
This place is absolutely Epicinng
Very interesting great video Geoff
I attended Epping Forest College for which the closest station was Debden. Many mornings i fell asleep and ended up in Epping and made me late for the 1st lecture of the day! also I did notice that last stretch from Theydon Bois was very straight and above ground so the driver would go full blast on speed. Many people dislike the central line but I think it is one of the best sevicing the main locations across London. Hopefully they replace the rolling stock soon as they are very tired now! Btw great video thanks Geoff.
My favourite thing about Epping is that same L11 Shunting loco :)
The Epping Museum is open every Saturday 10 til 4:30. Come and have a look around it!
Find this funny cause there’s an Epping station in Melbourne, it’s also in the north as well and it used to be the end of its line until it was extended, I actually live near Epping station in Melbourne caught the train out of there numerous times over the years
Hello,Frank Pick - nice videos here and there…!
Hey Geoff, an absolutely fantastic new series by the way. I watch other channels from the UK, where theres a bus route and the video goes from end to end, and shows what type of bus/coach it is. Very soothing, and I’m exploring the UK right in the middle of my home!
I would like to make a suggestion for future videos. I believe predominantly that your viewership is from the UK, but could you add what type of stock that gets used on that line.
I could just look it up on the inter webs but would be a really nice.
And btw Epping in Sydney used to be a heavy rail station, before being converted into a metro station :)
I don't know anything about the underground nor am I even English but I find these videos incredibly entertaining.
Very cool. And I just watched you in Jay Foreman's tube map video.
The Epping Ongar Railway operates a bus service from Epping to connect with its own stations using vintage RT buses. Once the bus gets out on the main roads, there's some surprisingly fast driving - the drivers certainly put their foot down. I (vaguely) recall that the reason the Epping Ongar Railway couldn't simply lengthen one of the platforms at Epping and bring their trains into the station was because the Underground insisted on keeping a hundred yards or so of unused track beyond the platforms as an overrun spur - just in case a train failed to stop. Which always seemed odd to me, because plenty of other Underground lines simply terminate at buffer stops in the normal way. Why does Epping need an overrun?
This is my local station, one thing I’ve wondered how many other TfL stations don’t have any canopy.
Ideally it being a terminus there’s always a train waiting, but quite often one is bereft of train due to issues.
This leads to people crowding around the entrance for shelter.
Indeed in rush hour it can take several minutes for people to exit from a train, then a second arrives. Having both exits open is a huge help.
Can't wait for "End of the Line: Waterloo" on the Waterloo and City
I seem to remember arriving at one platform and crossing the footbridge to the other for the Ongar (Central Line) train. I even went there twice - and stopped at Blake Hall the first time. Yes, mine was a very misspent youth!
Mm this has brought back many memories (an old g/ friend lived out at epping). Then even earlier, when LT ran it, the tube all the way out to ongar- really rural out there.and on that ancient picnic trip, on the way back, I stopped off at Blake Hall (then the least used tube stn?,)..
I’ve made it to Epping and Ruislip Gardens. I should have gone one stop further on the latter trip but I didn’t want to be late for a meeting. In the event I would probably have had the time had I tried.
railcam got a cam there to and another great watch
If you can get to Epping, come and see where the camera is bolted to - Epping Museum!
Loving this series. Can't wait for the April Fool's visit to Bank for the end of the Waterloo and City.
Very good Geoff Liking the yellow 2 spit in half Loco!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Why not pop down the car park and take a look round the yellow loco? See www.eppingmuseum.com We're open Saturdays.