I been in a research about the Mithraic origen and history. Is not for religion purposes. That's other research that I have done In separate time . The reason is because in Central America the priest that were the heads of the independent movements and push for war against Spanish crown. . They were Catholic priests. But my research started about 4. Oh 5 years ago. Because. In every seal of the 5 countries you see a Red cap in a staff that rise about the 5 volcanic mountains. That are inside the triangle. . This 🇸🇻🇬🇹🇭🇳 🇳🇮 🇨🇷. Flags and country seals have the Mithraic cap. In their national seals. I have ask many people it they knew the significance of it. All of them could not tell me anything. Till I Run into a note that mentioned about the Mithraic. Cult. That are like masonic like ground. And that that Red cap represents knowledge o illumination. So the algorithm play this video for me but was not that helpful in my research . I just Lose the time the video lasts I was not able to get to my pho to change. But is ok that's what happens when you researching. Sometimes you lose time learning that some emotional guy want to rewrite history and discredit history. Christianity have borrowed from mani religions. Is not a thruth judeo religion only the Orthodox church and the Orthodox Judaism. Are a judeo religion. That I have learn it from my other research on the origins of religion.
Not the early Christians. They were getting killed and fed to the lions 😅 the later christianity, the one rome and the jews putted together did destroy the true good early christianity that was getting born but hijacked by the powers Rome and the jews or pharisee or whoever they are. Them
Cult of Magna Mater is linked to the 3rd-2nd Century BCE. She was an ally of Rome during the Second Punic War. Religion was tossed out by Romans. Only to return when Cilician Pirates were sent to Brutium.
And the biggest proof is just there: December 24th - the day Jesus is said to have been born and the birthday of Mithras. That's the longest night of the year, and it is celebrated by Persians for 3000 years. And of course, the parallel of Easter (which was added much later to Christianity) with Norooz -- first day of Spring celebrated by Persians for 3000 years.
These are not proofs at all. Those are major solar events and people have seen significance in those dates as far back as people have been star gazing. That the early church adopted such dates for their celebrations is natural and in no way dependent on Mithraism or earlier Persian festivals. The Christmas date was derived from calculation from various Passover considerations and the integral age tradition of second temple Judaism.
As a a former Christian I understand the culture and traditions of the religion. Now as an ashiest, I look for information that is coming from an unbiased, intelligent person. Your presentation is incredibly well done. It's easy to watch Fox news that will justify a conservative belief or to watch msnbc to justify a progressive belief. I don't like to be talked to like I'm an easily persuadable 3rd grader and your lecture didn't do that. Since I'm not going to travel to the Holy Land w/ a shovel and look for evidence, I have to rely on ppl like you to inform me of the ancient past.
I'm glad you are finding the content informative. I know everyone has biases, but as a college instructor I do try to work hard at keeping lectures as objective as possible. It all depends in part on who the audience is, and what I am trying to communicate. Thanks for watching.
You were never a Christian to begin with. You cannot just drop true faith like a hot potato. Your faith was like Judas Iscariot. He admired Jesus but never believed that Jesus was God. He was only interested in political power and riches. He did not experience real relationship with The Father. You lacked the Holy Spirit and couldn't understand the Bible or the deep things of God. I hope and pray one day you will see the truth. Jesus Christ is Almighty God and there is no other.
@@bjornicjonisson3362 . John 10:30 “The Father and I are one.” Do you want more? I have 24 more verses that verify that indeed He is God. But go ahead and keep using your little verse you have misinterpreted with the word, "and." Maybe some person in King James time added the word "and"? Men have made changes in the past. Little subtle changes to try to take away his Diety. God knows and sees those who try to twist and change his word. He also promised harsh repercussions for taking or adding words to His word. So hang on to that little "and" if you want. See how far it gets you when you are face to face with God one day.
@@Susieq26754 Jesus did not speak of merely himself and his Father as being one but also of all his disciples as being one: “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: . . . that they may be one, even as we are one.” so Jesus disciple also God?
From my research MITHRAISM and the MITHRAS cult seems to be a religious or pagan figure of worship amongst the Roman army elite. The last supper idea would have been a sacred ceremonial meal that would occur prior to going to battle. They knew that for some that meal could be their last meal. Oftentimes in these ceremonial dinning and strategic planning rooms there would be an altar to MITHRAS.
But Jesus Christ didn't get ready for battle. His supper was one of remembering what he was getting ready to do. Which is die on a cross for all of our sins. So you and I wouldn't have to. He taught us to serve one another, instead of being served. That Love for God with our whole heart and loving our brothers and sisters is the Greatest Command. This Mithras myth is just a cheap immitation from the very group that nailed him to the cross. Sacrificing a bull has nothing to do with Christianity. Maybe the antichrist.
@@Susieq26754 the romans, specifically the flavinians, created Jesus to control the jews' frequent uprisings and self proclaimed messiahs. It only happened with the help of the turncoat Josephus. Detailed in documentary Cesar's Messiah. When viewing a work of art, can you emotionally step aside and ask yourself what were the artist's intentions when creating it? The roman empire never fell, it just morphed into the holy Roman catholic church. A lot easier to control populations with religion versus an army. Notice the red hat of mithras, present on US coinage of Columbia. Roman symbolism present literally on all capitol buildings, most notably in DC, even inside the senate/congress. We are new Rome.
If you look at the church at Ravenna, you can see Christ with Roman bangs, clean shaven, and dress as a common Roman soldier. Justinian is dressed as a general on the same walls. There is also IC XC, Jesus Conquers, dating to the time of Justinian 6th or 7th Century CE. Same time as Muhammad in Saudi Arabia. Constantinople had a plague, after the plague Justinian decided Christians we’re outnumbered so he went to war with virtually anyone or everyone pagan. It’s why you see battle type mentality throughout his reign.
*The most ancient religious serviving text Rig Veda composed around ( 3000- 2000 BCE ) speaks about 33 deities , and mitra was one of the 33 deities* You can study The oldest Indo Aryan literature Rig Veda to extract some information about Mitra , here in rig Veda mitra /mithra means "friend" /"companion" The date of Rig Veda is very much debated...And early assumption of 1500 -1000 BCE is not the acurate dating ...Now with the work of archaeological survey of India's data , material culture extracted , astronomical studies this date of Rig veda is getting pushed back to be around 2500 BCE Refer to shrikant talageri videos on RUclips , Sanauli archeological site , Saraswati river excavation in India....Recently Dr. neeraj rai's work on genetic studies , it's getting clearer that around 3000- 2500 BCE there has been out of India migration..From North Western India region....Towards westwards...
It comes from the Black Cult of Zoroastrianism. It is part of the gnostic take over of religions. Luciferians. Hence Constantine who was inundated into Mithraism, and Gnosticism formed the Vatican which is Pagan Gnostics in disguise if you do a deep study. I have a lot of information in my playlists on a fair bit of this. But it comes from the Christian Historicist perspective mainly. You might be interested in other various gnostic cults as well. Such as the Gnostic origins of Islam. How certain Christian Denominations are begun by Freemasonry which is Luciferian/Gnostics begun by Illuminati Gnostics, begun by Alumbrados Jesuit Catholic, Ignatius Loyola. Then you have Cabalism which is Gnostic, pre-dating Gnosticism even, being that Gnosticism is the syncretization of Christianity with Paganism giving credence to Paganism rather than evaluating Christianity from the Bible. You also have the precursors to some of those, like Cabalism/Islam also had Ebonites, and other various cults surrounding the middle east and perhaps into Europe which were part of the development of certain views, beliefs, and mythologies.
Your dismissal of Dio Cassius and Pliny based upon Cumont's assumption that the Magi were some form of clergy is not that strong seeing that you already noted that Mithraism had initiation rites. Cassius and Pliny don't assume any such thing. They simply note that it was the Magi or Tiridates and those who accompanied him who did the initiation of Nero. Thus it is good evidence that by at least 66 AD the cult was alive is some form.
Lack of evidence is not evidence of absence. Also, given that the gospels were written considerably after the death of Christ and some evidence for Mithraism, in some form exist by late 1st century I still don't think you can conclude either way which came first. But mystery religions similar were before Christ. Also, even the earliest letters of Paul are around 50 AD so much of the early spread of Christianity was just getting going around mid to late 1st century. So again who came first who knows!
The first mistake here is to date Christianity to the time of the life of Jesus of Nazareth, before the end of the first century. The beliefs of the originated with the later interpretations of his life and teachings, and that was happening after the earliest date given for the Roman cult of Mithras. The beliefs were quite divergent for 200 years after Jesus’ death.
No. The beliefs did not morph drastically during the time of the church fathers. There were various versions of Christianity, true, but the Fathers who represented orthodoxy as it came down in tradition constantly referred back to the first century texts. And there is great continuity .
I appreciate this presentation. Despite the lack of evidence found by researchers proving that Christianity has its root in Mithraism, I’d bet money that this Mystery Cult did influence the men whose religious ideas shaped Roman Catholicism. The ideas found in Mithraism and other Mystery Religions were prevailing ideas of the time and would have been impossible to miss the minds of the most philosophical and spiritual members of society.
Before Christianity, there was Abraham and before him was Noah and Enoch and Seth and Adam. All these men would have known the true God , the Creator of Heaven and Earth and also knew the Fallen Ones . And they abided in the Only true unseen God and yet Enoch walked with God aka Christ , Noah spoke with God aka The Word , Abraham became friends with The Best Friend - Self Sacrificial Lamb, Moses spoke with God face to face and yet The Bible and Yeshua say , no one has seen God The Father . So these mam had families and servants and what they believed in would have been carried out through different religions the same way Nimrod - Asthara - Tammuz.. You see these three throughout different religions and no one says Osiris, Isis and Horus borrowed from the Annunakis or that the Hindus are actually worshipping the Annunakis.. Everyone is trying to lower the truth within Christianity and the authority of Christianity. Christ came to fulfill ALL the prophecies and not to create a new religion . That means the truth was already there but He came to take what was written into reality and therefore it will always seem like Christianity borrowed and yet the Bible is actually a Historic Book aka New Testament while the Old Testament are the stories related with the prophecies of. Christ and the Deception of the Fallen Ones ... So this video is pointless before everyone knew the truth but also wanted to do things according to their own desires thus the spiritual adultery. Enoch knew the truth of God in the midst of The Annunakis and Giants killing human beings ... Let's not forget Job who knew the true God ..
if interested..The youthful God Mithra (right) symbolizing the Glorious Rays of the Sun. From Mount Nemrut Pantheon of Armenian Gods (sometimes called the Eighth Wonder of the Ancient World) erected by King Antiochus Theos (86-38 BCE) of Commagene.In the Armenian heathen Pantheon Mihr (Mithra or Mithras in Latin) was considered a supreme deity. Mihr was the personification of the Illuminating Rays of the Sun. The Grand Temple of Mihr/Mithra was located in the town of Bagaharich in the county of Derjan of the Upper Armenia province of Greater Armenia. The earliest mentioning of the worship of Mithra has been recorded in the Armenian Kingdom of Hurri-Mitanni. It was found in the cuneiform inscriptions of the Hittite capital Hattusa during the 1907 archaeological excavations. The Hittite cuneiform inscriptions mentions some of the notable Armenian Gods and Goddesses that made up the Armenian pantheon of Gods in the Mitanni Kingdom. The Hittite king Suppiluliuma (reigned between 1344 to 1322 BCE) ordered the recording of a peace treaty between himself and the Armenian king Šattivaz (reigned ca. 1350-1320 BCE), who represented the Hittite and Armenian kingdoms respectively. Suppiluliuma swears upon the great deities of Armenia and specifically calls upon Mithra to bless and protect the treaty of friendship and peace between the kingdoms of Hatti and Mitanni.As was noted, this treaty was made in the 14th century BCE, and this is the earliest recorded inscription that mentions Mithra as one of the supreme Gods of Armenia. This is roughly one thousand years before the God Mithra is mentioned in the Iranian inscriptions and the Indian Vedas. Some Indo-Iranian scholars have wrongly attributed Mithra as an Iranian or Indian deity, however as we have seen, the oldest inscription that sites Mithra as a God comes from the above noted 14th century BCE inscription that mentions Mithra as an native Armenian deity that occupied a very special place in the Armenian national Pantheon of Gods.owever, what these scholars fail to realize is that in the Gathas, the earliest sacred Zoroastrian texts attributed to Zoroaster himself, Mithra is not mentioned. Furthermore, Mithra also does not appear by name in the Yasna Haptanghaiti, a seven-verse section of the Yasna liturgy that is linguistically as old as the Gathas. Many scholars have noted that the lack of any mention (i.e. Zoroaster’s silence) of Mithra in these texts implies that Zoroaster in fact had rejected Mithra. This is supported by the fact that Zoroaster did not mention Mithra was because in fact in the earliest Avestan writings both Mihr-Mithra and the Armenian Matron Goddess Anahit are condemned as “daevas” or “false gods” or “daemons” that were not to be worshiped....t was only in the fourth century BCE, when we for the first time find the mentioning of Mithras in the Iranian context as a “positive’ deity of the very radiance of the Sun in the inscriptions of the Achaemenid king Xerxes II Mnemon. The Religion of Mithras or Mithraism as it became known in the West would soon spread beyond borders of Armenia, not only towards the East, towards Iran and India, but also that of the West. Mithraic temples known as Mithraea sprang up all over the Roman Empire. They were mostly promoted by Armenian aristocrats who already by this time were prominent generals in the Roman Army. Armenian King Tiridates III is a good example, who prior to his coronation was a prominent general in the Roman Army, it was Emperor Diocletian a close friend and fellow Mithraic devotee of Tiridates who asked the Armenian king to take the challenge of personal combat from a Gothic chief, Trdat successfully stood in for the Emperor and won the tournament....By the second century AD Mithraism was virtually the state religion of the Roman Empire and virtually all of the Roman Emperors during this time and prior to adoption of Christianity in the Fourth century CE were high initiates of the Mithraic mysteries. Most of the Mithraic rites along with the rituals and rites were simply taken over by the newly forming Roman Catholic Church...The traditional crown of the Armenian kings 8-rays/pyramids on top of the crown standing for the Sun’s rays (symbolizing Mithra) along with the 8-pointed star flanked by two eagles facing it (also Mithraic symbolism). The Sun King symbolized the physical incarnation of the Sun God in the world and the Armenian tiara symbolized the union of spiritual and material worlds symbolized by the crown and the leather silk portion of the diadem respectively (united by the sacred thread/headband of glory). Historic reconstruction of the bust of the Armenian King of Kings Tigranes II the Great (reigned 95-55 BCE) by the gifted artist Robert Hazarapetyan...The Mithraic mysteries that began in Armenia in the Second millennium BCE, through the Roman Empire left a lasting legacy on Western society and civilization in general. Many of the customs and norms are in fact taken directly from the Mithraic mysteries (just one notable example would be the handshake, which was specifically used by the devotees of Mithras and today has become common place greeting gesture all over the world). Many of the holidays that we come to celebrate (including Christmas on December 25) also come directly from Mithraism which were celebrated by the Roman emperors and later the Roman Catholic Church. Same is true of the Christian mass that is held very Sunday. The tradition of building churches right into the caves (where the Mithraic mysteries took place) continued by the Armenian Apostolic Church well into the Middle Ages as the surviving world renowned Geghard church attests to this great legacy...The only surviving Armenian National Mithraic Temple of the Sun God Mithra from First Century CE erected by the orders of King Tiridates I Arsacid (reigned 52-75 CE). There were 8 sacred heathen centers of the Armenian Gods and Goddesses throughout Greater Armenia with countless beautiful temples in every one of these 8 centers...- Excerpts from Pre-Christian Gods of Armenia (Glendale, 2007) by Hovik Nersisian (1921-2009). Nersisian is an author of many books and articles. He was a renowned scholar who in 1991, for his merits in Iranian Studies, most notably the study of the oldest surviving copies of the Avesta, became a full-member of New York’s Academy of Sciences.
This speculation on where Mithras came from is like I said speculation. We don't know where Mithras came from. He certainly came from the east, but why is unknown.
Alexander The Great was a liberator. Christ of his time that free the people from the matrix or evil system that had people slave. What will happen soon again in this lifetime as their end is near. His symbol was the sun on his shield. Still exist on the greek Macedonian flag
What goes in academia anymore is nothing short of Sophism. Even a novice in history knows Mithraism was brought to Rome from Middle East via Wars. Mithraism is the foundation of Freemasonry. Mithra was an Indo-Iranian deity. Geez. From Britainnacia: Mithra, also spelled Mithras, Sanskrit Mitra, in ancient Indo-Iranian mythology, the god of light, whose cult spread from India in the east to as far west as Spain, Great Britain, and Germany. ( Mithraism.) The first written mention of the Vedic Mitra dates to 1400 BC. His worship spread to Persia and, after the defeat of the Persians by Alexander the Great, throughout the Hellenic world. In the 3rd and 4th centuries AD, the cult of Mithra, carried and supported by the soldiers of the Roman Empire, was the chief rival to the newly developing religion of Christianity. The Roman emperors Commodus and Julian were initiates of Mithraism, and in 307 Diocletian consecrated a temple on the Danube River to Mithra, “Protector of the Empire.
Sorry but Alexander The Great was the liberator. He was not made for another The Great! Means he was very popular to the people as he liberated them from the matrix. Hellenism is about FREE thought while those who control us with propaganda control our minds and put their reality in our brain. Hellenism was against that and that's why hellenism has always being killed buy the dark adversory jews who with rome made a pact to get rid of hellenism for once and for all cause hellenism is all about free mind and not enslaved, morals, and all that is good. Do you think rome and the jews who wanted to control the masses would allow to to survive. Of course bot. And they are still in power. But their end is coming. Hellenism is coming back. Cause after dark comes the light, hellenismos
The whole section where he shows mithraic cults didn't predate Christianity was pointless because his claim was fallacious - mithraic cults absolutely did not have to predate Christianity to influence it. But even so, the claim is mithraism influenced Roman Catholicism, which it does predate anyway.
First, that Mithraism didn't predate Christianity is likely true, and I went over the arguments for and against. But I wasn't addressing Mithraism and Roman Catholicism, so why are you saying that was the claim. It wasn't. And I would love to see how exactly you supposed it influenced RC.
That quote about baptism not being related to other uses of water in religion is very naïve and I was surprised to see it referenced it seems it directly set out to say the two cannot be compared?
It doesn't need to predate Christianity to have influenced the text that came later or the Romans that adapted the Christianity to their pre existing beliefs. If you are looking for a neat in a box example of a perfect parallel of course that is difficult to find, but you are also able to see the shared characteristics and to assume it is completely unrelated could be bias confirmation. The burden of proof lies with those who try to make fact of anything religious. Including Christianity itself. All we have to go on are collection of writings by man. Filtered through and interpreted by man. Then you have people thousands of years later claiming their interpretations are correct.
I think the burden of proof is on those who say there is a parallel or a dependence. You cannot even show the similarities in any substantial and meaningful way.
@@allandidonato I disagree, the burden of proof is on the many religions that claim be the only true religion. There has always been a religion of "the time" and the followers were always very confident in their belief. I think at the most basic level you have to admit Christians are responsible to provide the evidence IF they are going to preach it like fact in this forum.
@@0bservationis1when I say the burden of proof is on those who are claiming parallels and dependency I’m saying you have to show parallels rather than say they exist. I’m showing that the parallels are weak or non-existent. Plus the chronology issues are relevant. This wasn’t about other questions and historicity, but Christians have argued those as well, and not from the Bible says so approach or tradition. So yeah, if your going to claim Christianity was influenced by Mithraism you better have some evidence.
@@allandidonato True, I am not an expert so what I have seen is convincing, but I do check my own ignorance. I see that all religions seem to share components. Primarily that they are the only true religion, but they share lots of other features on a basic level.
The date for CIMRM 593 at earliest is 98-99 CE given that Livanius was the Commander of the Praetorian Guard in 101 CE - according to Gordon. So it was already in force by then again confirming an earlier date for Mithraism taking hold than early 2nd century.
You're lying. There are so many Mithraic houses of worship in present date Iran and they all go back to before Christ. Famous ones are in Maraghe and in Kangavar. Please don't spread lies.
The Maragheh temple lacks any evidence of Mithraic iconography. I know it was used for other purposes afterward, but you’d need some evidence that it was Mithraic in the sense we are concerned with. Mithra worship is not in question as I said, but older Mithra worship, in Persia, India, or early Anatolia are not the same as the Roman Cult we are discussing. The Kangavar temple is also a far cry from the later cult we are investigating. The point still stands.
@@allandidonato There is a large number of Roman soldier's Mithras cult sites in Germany. However, besides some pictures and statues there is nothing of the cult itself. It can be deducted that the cultists met frequently and had a meal together. That is all. Which narratives they had, which stories they told is not recoverable from these sites. I doubt that there is a Persian influence because none of the objects found point to Persia except the picture of the man killing a bull with a knife or sword. An interference with the cristian religions cannot be deducted neither from these sites. So can you supply sources describing the details of the cult and sources of the archeological proofs? Would be interesting.
@@ghlscitel6714 I put a good number of textual citations in the talk, mainly Greco-Roman sources and material from the church fathers, so it is all from outside the cult until you get to inscriptions from various Mithrea. But you are right when you say the evidence of Persian influence is lacking. But I would take it further in that I don’t think the artistic depiction we have from numerous tauroctony are Persian in style or influence either. The Persian cap is fairly standard but the pose and overall style has direct precursors in Roman art. See the remains of the basilica Ulpia.
@@allandidonato I have also heard that all the parallels listed at 6:05 are based on writings from the 1800s that fail to cite any contemporary sources
Mithraism has several elements in common with Paul’s writings. Guess where Paul went: Rome, Greece and Asia Minor, all the places you find Mithraism. Looks to me like Mithraism borrowed doctrine from Paul.
Both mithraism and Christianity (worship of serapis) co existed in the roman empire. Christianity was more in Egypt. The first order of the day in nicea was to choose between mithraism and Christianity. They voted to go with Christianity.... emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire...
Wow. No. Christianity is not the worship of Serapis, in spite of Christianity having a large presence in Egypt. The was no discussion of Mithraism at Nicea. Not a thing.
@@allandidonato The only religion that use the mithra hat is roman catholicism, mithaism went underground, long ago, mixing herself and calling those that know the truth illuminati, the rest are called catechumen. Roman catholicism was divided into two, the illuminados and the rest that are just those that deserved to be lie to according to their secret agreements. To understand it, you must take a look at Revelation 17 and 18, these two chapters only fits roman catholicism. Christianity if we can call it as, was divided into two, those that believed in Yahushua (when he came the first time according to Isaiah 61, 1-2 and he is suppose to come two times) the moshi-Yahu according to Daniel 9, and those that did not accept him continued as today judaism. Was in Egypt where judaism introduced some of the Assyrian worship rites into the jewish religion, Isaiah 52: 4. One of them was the yamulke. For thus saith the Lord GOD, My people went down aforetime into Egypt to sojourn there; and the Assyrian oppressed them without cause. (assyrians in Egypt?) It is talking about the popularity of mithaism at the time. The assyrian religion was very popular then as it is now, and this religion have being changing her name throughout history, today it is called roman catholicism, but in Egypt was called mithraism. The rites are the same, only as a chameleon adapt itself to the moment in history.
After watching this video looks like Christianism could be created around the MYTH OF JESUS rather than a historical figure, in other words, it looks like Jesus as a person never existed and everything was a myth. But even if it is true, what after watching this video it is very likely, not for that reason the ethical teachings of the Myth of Jesus are false. It is like when you read about any other myth, legend, or tale, not because a tale is a tale that means that the ethical teachings behind the tale are false. In other words when we deconstruct Christianism we need to be aware that in the end it has been and it is the belief of millions of people, whose ethics, in one way or another has contributed along history in different ways.
Well the discussion focused on the relationship between the NT accounts and the Mithraic cult in Rome. It really can’t be concluded that the figure of Jesus is purely mythical. The historical question needs to be approached not via some comparative mythology, but in consideration of historical, textual, and archaeological sources. And most scholars (not all) would not go so far as to embrace mythicism. That Jesus was an historical figure is basically beyond serious contention.
The catholic mass which i live has a very Mitra feel to it.T h e God of light who descends to earth and gives of himself to humanity as spiritual food and ascends back to the heavens.
Well light overcoming darkness is a universal symbol found in most religions, philosophies, and literature. There’s just nothing about Mithra giving himself as spiritual food that can be gleaned from any sources we have.
The bull is the zodiac sign Mitra wears a liberty cap a symbol of magic mushrooms. You can see Mitra in the apotheosis of George Washington. The Bull is stung in his balls by Scorpio emasculation
🗡 Mithras rushes through the world with a sword in his hand that he thrusts into the lower nature to slay it; under him the lower nature dies. 🕊 Christ offers himself as the Lamb of God, who takes the lower nature into himself in order to redeem it. (Steiner, Karma of Vocation)
I like that perspective. Interesting way to approach the symbolism. I just wish we had Mithraic primary texts to shed more light on the meaning of the tauroctony.
@@wesdale1753 I tried to respond to you days ago, but it was deleted for some reason. The book is "The Mithraic Origins of Christianity: Questioning the Mithras-Christ Connection" by Allan Di Donato (2021). Yes. I got it.
I appreciate that you present fully about those who equated Christianity with Mithraism..and that you completely debunked those who equate biblical Christianity with this ancient cult..forgive me at first equating the lecture with the zeitgeist movement..the zeitgeist movement is to purposively deceiving those who hold the to the truth..that movement stops at the comparison and doesn't bother in any way the differences between the two to those Christians who are not familiar with the ancient world ..as I am a firm believer in Christ.. Christ was never equated as a bull a universal symbol of ancient paganism..but a lamb of god symbolize humility...your lecture is very objective and that is a virtue..
Thanks for the feedback. Sorry I didn't see it until now. I think a lot of people assume a particular point-of-view is going to be presented before they get very far into the video. Thanks for watching and listening to the case I'm making.
the pagan druids knew that december 25 was important this has to do with the winter solstice the it marks the end of the short days of winter and long nights. so really Christianity adapted/adopted that date. 21 marks the death of the sun (on the lowest point of the equator) 22 23 24(dormant/buried/shortest days) it stays there, and on the 25 it rises (resurrection) days get longer after that, all close to the constellation of the crux the timeframe back then in december was, cold, starving and bleak. the suncross is the pagan cross of the zodiac. 4 great ages that are in the procession of the equinox are described in the bible bull, ram pisces and aquarius forshadowing in luke 10:22 or 22:10 cant remember. each great ages last 2150 about. ofcourse christians will never admit any of it.
Of course the date makes the winter solstice. Christianity always acknowledged that all the way back tot he Patristics. That’s why the birth was placed there. It just didn’t have anything to do with borrowing a pagan date or festival. It’s the same reason pagans used the date. Even Old Testament festivals coincided with annual natural events. That is part of the symbolism inherent in the choice of those dates.
@@allandidonato i see that the same as a satanist holding a mass of some sort in the church ok seeing clearly how dishonest Christians are now. literally stealing festival days under the noses of other religions. very nice.
Persian here. Mithra - deity of Light - was born on Dec. 21, the longest night of the year. The Romans adopted this celebration from the Persians. In Iran today, Dec. 21 is still celebrated as "Yalda"/"Birth" of Mithra. Rome celebrated Mithra's birth date for 300 years. When Christianity was adopted, the Romans adopted the date as Christ's birth. NOTE: The Eastern Orthodox, unlike the Romans, do not attribute Dec. 25 to Christ's birth. Only the Romans did. (Dec. 21 vs. Dec. 25 was due to calendar transformations.) I shan't go into the parallels of Christ's teachings on love and forgiveness with that of the Persian world. Jesus spent time in the East, very likely. Jesus was a Persianized Jew if you ask me.
The origin of the date for Christmas in the western church is a complicated discussion, but it has something to do with the solstice which was held to be the 25 on the Julian calendar. The celebration of Jesus’ birth on that day has nothing to do with Mithras though. It was due to a calculation ultimately linked to early attempts to identify the exact date of the crucifixion. Too complicated to deal with here. I’ll probably make a video on that sometime.
I believe Jesus’ father was a Roman soldier and in order to save her life from stoning a Jewish widow agreed to marry her and the whole immaculate conception was added later so the Roman’s could create a state religion of Catholicism to again control the masses. Joseph of Aremathea, Mary’s uncle funded Jesus’ education at x12 years to 30 in Egypt, Persia, xKashmir and other areas with xhigher education. I believe Joseph of Aremethea and Roman officials arranged to drug Jesus with the “sponge” take him down, inter him and then release and revive him. Jesus then went away to join Mary is wife and her child either in France or Kashmir. This is all my opinion and I don’t think returns to be right. I believe the only gods And devils are the ones men create on earth to scare and control the masses.
Mitra is the Hindu god of friendship, harmony, integrity, and order among humans. He appears in the pantheon of gods from the Vedic period of Hinduism. which generally dates between 1500 BCE and 800 BCE. Mitra is one of the sons of goddess Aditi, or one of the Adityas. In the early texts, Mitra plays the role of a protector of treaties. The Vedic period word mitra-m is Indo-Iranian and roughly translates to things such as ''oath, treaty, contract, or covenant,'' and later on, takes on the meaning of ''ally'' or ''friend.'' However, academics have also considered that Mitra is also a solar deity during the Vedic period.
Ok, I see where you are talking about now. Yes, the Jewish Sabbath is the seventh day. That part of the talk was discussing oft repeated claims about Mithraism. Since Shabbat simply means day of rest, it’s fine to call their day of observance a sabbath loosely, though it did fall on the day of the Sun.
Everything that was in iran doesn't necessarily mean it is Persian just as not all Iranians are Persian but every Persians are Iranians It wasn't a Persian God (although it influenced Zoroastrian book of Avesta), it was dominant religion during Median Empire ((Medes)c. 688 BC-c. 559 BC) which is believed to be a Kurdish Dynasty with Ecbatana as their capital near Kurdistan Region (it's an iranic language family Women in Kurdish: Zhan or Jan In Persian: Zan) Achaemenid Dynasty (AKA first Persian Empire 559 BC-331 BC with Persis as their capital in south of the country) was established right after the Median Empire and Zoroastrianism became the dominant religion. But after the Alexander conquest from Greece and Anatolia All the way to the indus valley, internal migrations became easy and those Mithraic minorites migrated to the Capital (Athens) and Balkan Region (for better job/life or more salary), and Mithraism began flourishing there until Christianity became popular which caused it to go Extinct. But even tho it's an extinct religion there are some traditions and Celebrations from Mithraism which is remained to this day such as Yalda Night festival in 21 December each year. Mithraic Priests were called "Magi" (comes from the word Magic or مجوس/Majoos in Arabic Quran) Zoroastrian Priests were called "Mobed".
@Genaro Capablanca To counter your comment, Nikola Tesla claimed paranormal activity and that most of his inventions arrived instantaneously, then he just wrote them down; he also followed some superstitious practices such as repeating certain things three times, even if there isn't an apparent objective reason to do so, although I'm cherry-picking an example to counter your comment, I get it... people with advanced reasoning which follow objectivity, are not christian, not religious, not superstitious & not fanatics. On the other hand... not all of them are atheists... To cherry-pick an example again, Zohreh Davoudi , Theoretical physicist, Massachusetts Institute of Technology..
@Genaro Capablanca Edit - Also yes I am not a christian (aside from traditional practices like attending marriages & funerals) and not a fanatic. I don't care about any christian dogma. At the same time, I don't care about atheists which "believe in nothing" as their belief system... investigative & truth-connected people are more respectable, also life is short so no one wants to be around lots or arrogant atheists & arrogant christians.
Second to that, I adhere to the claim.. that Tesla invented the first electric oscillators, meters, electrical powered lights, high-voltage transformers, X-ray equipment, short-range radio, first electrical power station, & so on... all via his claim of instantaneity & paranormal activity. Therefore, much of the modern world, utilities we use every day, were invented by someone which could simply draw them via instantaneity & paranormal activity. So, how is it scientifically possible ? I adhere to either A1) Someone like Zohreh Davoudi at MIT, will eventually find the evidence (which is the majority of her field, looking for evidence of a parallel reality), then a parallel reality could, within scientific logic, somehow transfer information to people like Nikola Tesla. A2) He had some kind of a unique mind which invented stuff in the subconscious, all like ' hidden ', then sent it to his conscious, so he perceived it as " paranormal information ".. I think A1 has a higher likelihood.
@Genaró Capablanca The value of knowing the synopsis of christianity ? The primary element in the synopsis, was to infiltrate & undermine the Holy Roman Empire... The secondary element in the synopsis, IDK, collecting tax ? teaching people to be good & prepare for the afterlife ? who cares. Now changing topic, Capablanca was a famous chess player, Fischer said " the best chess player which ever lived ". I'm not going to answer anymore lest this turn into a 200 answer dialogue then someone copy-pastes it all into a blog or e-book. Ciao.
Mithra were median(kurdish) religion Which is Roman follow the mithra at that time As soon as persia start war against Roman they change the mithraism to Christianity
@@gotian6649 then do armenians and kurds have a similar origin if mithra is of the medes? maybe the roman emperor discovered manicheaism? the romans adopted gods and goddesses from all over the roman empire. a lot of hellenistic mithraism was incorporated into the manichean christ archetype that became christianity.
I cant believe that your comment did not get a thumbs up. The most logical and useful question asked. We know that they both share roots. The mysteries are found hidden and revealed in most all world religions and all coincide with what astrological age the adherents found themselves in. They all share the demiurge and the archetype. They all have a similar creation, catastrophes, god-man interference, flesh corruption, death, a rebirth and a new creation. Over and over again. It has always been the Ancient Aryan peoples that have built these worlds, been the hero's, kept the knowledge and mysteries and told the sagas. For me, right now I will follow the Runes as Jesus was Mithras, Mithras was Odin.
Mithraism tried to join the two. But it never worked. Jesus Christ has already won the battle. Any Born Again believer knows that Jesus wasn't born on Dec.25. That star wasn't sent by God. The wise men couldn't kill Jesus. They saw that He was The Messiah. He defeated Satan at the cross. It is finished. It is man's choice to search for Jesus Christ in His word and through His Holy Spirit. Knock and the door shall be opened, seek and you shall find, ask and it shall be given.
He was born out of a rock and his feast day was not December 25. Not even his origin Solar Invictus had his day on December 25, it was sometime in October and had several other dates, none falling on December.
Mithras temple in Britain was AD 250, long before Christianity and Britain was a late comer to the Empire. Christianity borrowed from Sun and Bull God worship and threw in the virgin birth, because there were other Gods that already had that. Competitive scene. The Kingdom on this earth, is a very western european concept. Lots of nature worshiping, esp among the various barbarian tribes who embraced Christianity, bringing in elements of their Gods and ideas.
Britain was late to the empire, but it was added in the first century. And AD 250 is not long before Christianity. Decius was conducting an empire wide persecution of the religion by that time, so I’m pretty sure it was around prior.
Seems as though the religions are very similar, simply shift a bit from place to place. Romans roped the fearful though by promising eternal life without having to work for it. That's gonna be the popular dish. And big. Humans are fearful.
My mother always said; book since without common sense equals no sense. If the Persians ruled the world then common sense would say they put forth their god Mithras. The Persian sun god of Persian origins... Which existed before the Roman empire was in power. It wasn't until Alexander the Great conquered the Persian army. Therefore, replacing the Persians God with the Greek god Zeus. Who his mother professed he was the son of. This was later retranslated to the Romans translation...Jesus. Which is still a misuse of the true savior name...Yahshua the Messiah. You don't have to be a scholar or a biblical expert to disprove their translation...just take out your cell phone which most people have these days and Google. What was the last letter added to the alphabets. It was the letter (J)..it only existed for some 400 to 600 years! So if the Savior walked the Earth over 2000 years ago. There's no way his name could have been Jesus Christ! This is why he states clearly. Ps I come in my father's name (Yah) Yahweh, and you receive me not. However, let another come in his name him you would receive...No (J) No Jesus...Why so many false interpretations...Because the first thing a worthy adversary (Lucifer) would do...Is to Rob Yahweh the creator of his creation true identity...The true name revealed to Moses in the Mount of Mount Sinai... Yahweh...A memorial to all generations...pass, present and future!
I acknowledge the early origins of the god, at least 2000 BC. But the cult prominent in the Roman Empire was much later and had elements unknown in Persia. As for the J in Jesus, of course he wouldn’t be called Jesus at that time. Yeshua is closer to his actual name. But how we refer to him is irrelevant so long as we are speaking about the historical figure accurately. It no different from calling John - Juan. We know the referent and the generally accepted transliteration so it works either way.
The Sassanian Empire especially under their founder Ardashir 1 installed an orthodox Zoroastrianism and destroyed all temples in Iran except for four fire temples in Yazd. The preceding empire Parthians were followers of Mitra and fled to Armenia which ironically became the first Christian nation. These Parthians were a feudal Knight order that had Mitra and esoteric mysticism as their religion.
I never denied the worship of Mithra in Persia, but we cannot conflate Mithraism with earlier Iranian worship. They were distinct, and neither had an impact on foundational Christianity.
@@allandidonato when looked in Mithraism it said it seemed to originate in Cilicia. Paul was from Cilicia and his doctrine has similarities to Mithraism. One is that Mithraism had 7 items of clothing they were to wear. Paul had the 7 items of spiritual armor. Hmm
@@stevenschmitz8901 Hmm indeed. Of course you may be thinking of the seven grades of initiation. We don’t have any textual references to types of clothing worn. Of course seven is one of those highly symbolic numbers that pops up across religions, myths, etc.
if interested..The youthful God Mithra (right) symbolizing the Glorious Rays of the Sun. From Mount Nemrut Pantheon of Armenian Gods (sometimes called the Eighth Wonder of the Ancient World) erected by King Antiochus Theos (86-38 BCE) of Commagene.In the Armenian heathen Pantheon Mihr (Mithra or Mithras in Latin) was considered a supreme deity. Mihr was the personification of the Illuminating Rays of the Sun. The Grand Temple of Mihr/Mithra was located in the town of Bagaharich in the county of Derjan of the Upper Armenia province of Greater Armenia. The earliest mentioning of the worship of Mithra has been recorded in the Armenian Kingdom of Hurri-Mitanni. It was found in the cuneiform inscriptions of the Hittite capital Hattusa during the 1907 archaeological excavations. The Hittite cuneiform inscriptions mentions some of the notable Armenian Gods and Goddesses that made up the Armenian pantheon of Gods in the Mitanni Kingdom. The Hittite king Suppiluliuma (reigned between 1344 to 1322 BCE) ordered the recording of a peace treaty between himself and the Armenian king Šattivaz (reigned ca. 1350-1320 BCE), who represented the Hittite and Armenian kingdoms respectively. Suppiluliuma swears upon the great deities of Armenia and specifically calls upon Mithra to bless and protect the treaty of friendship and peace between the kingdoms of Hatti and Mitanni.As was noted, this treaty was made in the 14th century BCE, and this is the earliest recorded inscription that mentions Mithra as one of the supreme Gods of Armenia. This is roughly one thousand years before the God Mithra is mentioned in the Iranian inscriptions and the Indian Vedas. Some Indo-Iranian scholars have wrongly attributed Mithra as an Iranian or Indian deity, however as we have seen, the oldest inscription that sites Mithra as a God comes from the above noted 14th century BCE inscription that mentions Mithra as an native Armenian deity that occupied a very special place in the Armenian national Pantheon of Gods.owever, what these scholars fail to realize is that in the Gathas, the earliest sacred Zoroastrian texts attributed to Zoroaster himself, Mithra is not mentioned. Furthermore, Mithra also does not appear by name in the Yasna Haptanghaiti, a seven-verse section of the Yasna liturgy that is linguistically as old as the Gathas. Many scholars have noted that the lack of any mention (i.e. Zoroaster’s silence) of Mithra in these texts implies that Zoroaster in fact had rejected Mithra. This is supported by the fact that Zoroaster did not mention Mithra was because in fact in the earliest Avestan writings both Mihr-Mithra and the Armenian Matron Goddess Anahit are condemned as “daevas” or “false gods” or “daemons” that were not to be worshiped....t was only in the fourth century BCE, when we for the first time find the mentioning of Mithras in the Iranian context as a “positive’ deity of the very radiance of the Sun in the inscriptions of the Achaemenid king Xerxes II Mnemon. The Religion of Mithras or Mithraism as it became known in the West would soon spread beyond borders of Armenia, not only towards the East, towards Iran and India, but also that of the West. Mithraic temples known as Mithraea sprang up all over the Roman Empire. They were mostly promoted by Armenian aristocrats who already by this time were prominent generals in the Roman Army. Armenian King Tiridates III is a good example, who prior to his coronation was a prominent general in the Roman Army, it was Emperor Diocletian a close friend and fellow Mithraic devotee of Tiridates who asked the Armenian king to take the challenge of personal combat from a Gothic chief, Trdat successfully stood in for the Emperor and won the tournament....By the second century AD Mithraism was virtually the state religion of the Roman Empire and virtually all of the Roman Emperors during this time and prior to adoption of Christianity in the Fourth century CE were high initiates of the Mithraic mysteries. Most of the Mithraic rites along with the rituals and rites were simply taken over by the newly forming Roman Catholic Church...The traditional crown of the Armenian kings 8-rays/pyramids on top of the crown standing for the Sun’s rays (symbolizing Mithra) along with the 8-pointed star flanked by two eagles facing it (also Mithraic symbolism). The Sun King symbolized the physical incarnation of the Sun God in the world and the Armenian tiara symbolized the union of spiritual and material worlds symbolized by the crown and the leather silk portion of the diadem respectively (united by the sacred thread/headband of glory). Historic reconstruction of the bust of the Armenian King of Kings Tigranes II the Great (reigned 95-55 BCE) by the gifted artist Robert Hazarapetyan...The Mithraic mysteries that began in Armenia in the Second millennium BCE, through the Roman Empire left a lasting legacy on Western society and civilization in general. Many of the customs and norms are in fact taken directly from the Mithraic mysteries (just one notable example would be the handshake, which was specifically used by the devotees of Mithras and today has become common place greeting gesture all over the world). Many of the holidays that we come to celebrate (including Christmas on December 25) also come directly from Mithraism which were celebrated by the Roman emperors and later the Roman Catholic Church. Same is true of the Christian mass that is held very Sunday. The tradition of building churches right into the caves (where the Mithraic mysteries took place) continued by the Armenian Apostolic Church well into the Middle Ages as the surviving world renowned Geghard church attests to this great legacy...The only surviving Armenian National Mithraic Temple of the Sun God Mithra from First Century CE erected by the orders of King Tiridates I Arsacid (reigned 52-75 CE). There were 8 sacred heathen centers of the Armenian Gods and Goddesses throughout Greater Armenia with countless beautiful temples in every one of these 8 centers...- Excerpts from Pre-Christian Gods of Armenia (Glendale, 2007) by Hovik Nersisian (1921-2009). Nersisian is an author of many books and articles. He was a renowned scholar who in 1991, for his merits in Iranian Studies, most notably the study of the oldest surviving copies of the Avesta, became a full-member of New York’s Academy of Sciences.
@@allandidonatoA lack of evidence is not evidence of absence, however. As (Roman) Mithraism remained a mystery religion of mostly military men, a lot of the actual details remain a mystery to us. But regardless if accept some parallels or not, you are committing a logical fallacy here: A religion doesn't have to predate another to influence it. An older religion can adopt ideas from a newer religion as well. And regardless if there was any influence or not, the greater question should be about how these cults came to be in the first place, i.e., about their shared roots, which might explain any seemingly apparent similarities as well, without naively thinking any such similarity must be because of some direct black and white influence from one to another.
Only because the two religions are very distinct. I don’t think I’m going out of my way to differentiate them. Ancient comparisons are made on very minor points and modern comparisons generally over emphasis similarities, even adding elements not actually found in Mithraism.
If you must fear someone in order to obey and love them then that isn't love it's Abuse. The God of the Bible exemplifies Abuse. Examples of Christianity's natural masochistic Guilt ridden qualities: 1) Bible: "For the fear of God is the beginning of wisdoms." WTF? That's like mob boss Tony Soprano punching my face then telling me: "Ehh forget about it." We're brothers." So God never really loved us? he just needs us to fear and worship him eternally for our own good? 2) Real Actual Love: "For the belief in God is the beginning of wisdoms." Why must I fear God first in order to later find Gods love for me? The belief in God means you actually have a choice; thus making you more Nobel in essence not in tradition. I get to choose using my Five divine senses and the spirit of truth which is well TRUTH, a universal fact it's not deceitful, or vague, it is usually proven, not false, pure, not cluttered. Fear: Unpleasant emotion causing feelings of panic and anxiety for potential harm to ones body, mind, or spirit by an inner or exterior thing and or situation. Or persons. Why must fear be required for a salvation required by faith? If fear is the wisdom of a path to God then surely I must need to be conscience and aware of something tangible that causes the emotion of Fear. Christians say the reason God is feared is because his judgement is eternal wrath of fire in righteousness and hell must be escaped. That is the same thing as saying: ("Oh ok, I won't brutally murder that lady because i can risk going to jail or it can give me inconvenient penalties.") Where is the purity, holiness. And benevolence in that? Maybe don't kill the lady because it's really evil and disrespectful to take a life you had no hand in creating. You need to be a very violent and angry person to be Christian, I speak of pure experience. As a matter of fact; blind faith is required by the biblical Jesus and The Jewish God Jehovah, Correct? If that's the case why is their even a Bible? If blind faith is required for the belief in God and the salvation of our souls. Why need a Holy Spirit? Why need a Doctrine? Why need to do anything? If Fear and accepting the creators son as our only savior is the key, why everything else? Oh because I also have to be obedient to the long list of requirements to the Jesus life? thanks God...... Now If I fall from Grace or die in sin I get punished in eternal damnation and molten lava while my brain boils eternally. Meanwhile a bunch of catholic, protestant and left wing red necks and entitled Karen's walk on streets of Gold with a blue eyed Jesus and millions of aborted kids. WTF? this God of Abraham sucks holy cornfuckinholio. Your own religion asks you to suppress your human senses and believe in faith alone. Hebrews 11 bible Faith: Paul says: "I say unto thou, faith is the certainty of your hopes and the conviction of the unseen." True Love Faith: "I say unto thou; Faith is waiting on a situation, a person, or an object to act on your behalf all while suppressing your God given senses, or any practical evidence." Jehovah is historically justified for being all knowing & sending death and genocide against his enemies and then even sends his poor gullible masochistic son Jesus to get murdered by a bunch of humans? Sounds like Greek mythology. Sin? What is the opposite of sin? Anti-Sin? Could it be that sin is just bad behavior? Could it be that evil is distinct from sin? A sin should be directly correlated to Evil acts, especially if Jesus died to cleanse our SINS? Surely The God of the commandments is the same yesterday today and forever correct? This should be chalked down to Bad Behavior and maybe unhealthy decisions that warrant correction . BAD BEHAVIOR: (Idolatry, lust, compulsiveness, vice, sloth, deceit, covetous, minor theft, envy, unprotected and formication sex, adultery, anger; etc etc.) SIN: (Homicide, rape, violence, Pedophelia, Human trafficking, slavery, incest, Animal torture, child molestation, bullying, oppression, physical abuse, false witness (directed to any human and or situation were you directly benefit upon the disturbance of others.). I guess God forgot a bunch of other sins when he spoke to Moses and created the laws. Which was to stone your children if disobedient and marry a woman if thou art rapeth her. Yeah God of the Bible is confusing; truth leaves no room for inconsistencies.
Fear is referencing reverence, respect. Also knowing what could happen to you if you challenge the Most High that created you. He formed you in your mother's womb. He knows how many hairs you have on your head. He loves you and lets you have free will to choose Him. He is all knowing and loving and died for your sins. His mercy and grace are unending to those who put their trust in Him. But beware, if you cross him, or make any of His children stumble. It would be better that you were never born. Judgement and wrath are saved for the wicked that raise their fist at Him. Can you defeat the Creator of the Heaven and Earth? I think not. Your mouth is very big and boastful and is no challenge for The Almighty.
The best description 👌👌🎯🎯 I have read in quite awhile regarding Organized religion, in particular, Churchianity, it's bigotry and rather obscure Origins.
I find it funny how someone that Studied Philosophy at Southern Evangelical Seminary and is not a Historian with a PHD from A Evangelical Church is trying to Debunk Mithra .To bad history books disagree with him . Real unbiased opinion he would have? This is a joke I think I will read my history books 😂.People if you read history and not just listen to a pastor trying to defend his religion you will understand. Why he is doing this ,but he is outside of his field,in other words he is Not no expert.😂
Actually, philosophy was my second degree. I also have a master’s in classical archaeology, so Greco-Roman religion is in my field. History books can be wrong, that’s why I’m not just making assertions. I’m going through the ancient sources. And I don’t know what you mean by debunking Mithra. I’m giving the historical context, and debunking the erroneous idea that Christianity owes any debt to the Mithraic cult. And among modern scholars many have departed from the Cumont hypothesis.
@@allandidonatoYet a generalization that is quite literally true with some great irony. If Constantine chose differently, you could be talking instead about how Mithra or Sol invictus doesn't "owe any debt" to Christianity.
The cult of Isis was another mystery cult popular at the time. Apuleius gives us a glimpse of it in his Metamorphosis. And I assume by Diana you are referring to the Ephesian worship of Artemis, and it wasn’t a model for the NT picture of Jesus in any way.
@35:00, the seven ancient roles in primitive christian church ie porter acolyte exorcist etc are all roles of the CLERGY therefore declaring that there was no clergy in roman mithraism is vapid
Those are not known roles in the early church. The NT church didn’t have clergy in the late sense. They were roles, like bishop and deacon. But the seven grades I mention in Mithraism are not roles but level of initiation closer to what you find in the Masonic lodge. They did not have priests.
because it relates to the sun god Ra, not Persia but Egypt. Also, Persians created cults to destroy their enemies from the inside out. Let that sink in there.
Mithra was Mitra was first introduced in rig veda Hinduism god Mitra he is one god in 33 god of Hinduism he was sun god day sun god like he said typical sun god Mitra means companion Mitra varuna Indra were most important gods and even in avesta Persian religon mithra was second must important god after ahura mazda the wise one and roman also influenced by mithra really every most of important things have connection with India or happened in India
Yeah, that’s a great question. There isn’t much evidence for participation in taurobolia among practitioners of the Mithraic cult, which is why I say in my book that it seems to be a rare occurrence. The suggestion that the practice was adopted in the later development of the cult has been made by a few modern scholars, and has been rejected by others (Rutter, in “The Three Phases of the Taurobolium” 1968). Speculation seems to stem from the obvious link to the bull slaying represented in the tauroctony, and perhaps the Mithraeum at Ostia’s proximity to the sanctuary of Cybele. It does have some support however minimal. The 4th century tauroboliate, Sextilius Agesilaus Aedesius, seems to have undertaken the ritual with several other individuals, including a “priest of Mithra” (which designation itself runs counter to the general lack of a sacerdotal rank within the cult). This is attested in an inscription recorded in Rendiconti della Pont. Accad. romana di archeologia XLII. Of course, we could question if this specific taurobolium was Mithraic, or simply a rite in which a Mithraic initiate happened to participate (since none of these mysteries demand exclusive adherence). Vermaseren also cites the inscription in Corpus Cultus Cybelae Attidisque III.
Mithra were median(magi)(kurdish) religion Which is Roman follow the mithra at that time As soon as persia start war against Roman they change the mithraism to Christianity
@@allandidonato at 9:10 on the temple you can see Ardshier next to "Ahora mazda " and "mithra" that mean the pars and meed God Which Ahora mazda were pars religion and mithra were median religion
Glad you liked it. I just wanted to let you know that I just published an entire book elaborating on the topic, and you can find it via the link I placed in the description above.
Mithra were median(kurdish) religion Which is Roman follow the mithra at that time As soon as persia start war against Roman they change the mithraism to Christianity
I did talk about Mithra, and Mitra, and Mithras (Roman version). And the whole talk was critiquing the evidence we have in texts and archaeology. Did you watch the video?
@@allandidonato yes sorry I was supposed to delete that comment. The opening screen about all the similarities between Mithraism and Christianity set me off lol
Myth RA The first monotheistic religion arose in Egypt. The supreme god celebrated in Egypt is RA. Church sources claim that its founder is a certain Amenophis. All religions tie their deities to heaven. In connection with this, holidays are always associated with certain dates of the year. The first calendar of 365 days officially originates in Egypt. All festivals are actually related to the position of the sun in the sky in the annual cycle of twelve months. Trying to find some connection between Mithraism and Rome or Greece, as well as the connection of Christianity with what preceded it, you encounter a paradox in referring to Roman and Greek sources. The basis of the paradox lies in the fact that Julius Caesar was the first arsonist and destroyer of the Alexandrian library. Is there any sense in the historical statements and claims that Alexander the Great was Greek and that the second great burning of the Alexandrian library was led by the Alexandrian patriarch Theophilos? The root of the Christian religion rests on the idea of erasing history and creating a new truth. This intention was established at the first ecumenical council in Nicaea, where it was established that God created the world on September 1, 5508. Christianity officially stands on the point of view that the world was created two thousand years ago and that everything that was ever conceived came from Rome and Greece. This nonsense is ignored by all "honest" interpreters. Does historical science know which finds on today's European soil have a calendar that measures the time before the beginning of Christianity?
The 5500 time frame was based on earlier Jewish calculations and was found in earlier sources like Julius Africanus. Anyway, I don’t know what the point of that was. That’s just what people believed, not some weird conspiracy. Julius Caesar didn’t burn the Museon intentionally, and we don’t have any evidence for the Patriarch doing any such thing. The first attempt at monotheism according to many is actually Akhenaton or Amenhotep IV. Aton was a form of Ra ultimately, but not all gods were placed in heaven. Many occupy other locations, like Enki in the Abzu. And not all religious festivals were tied to the sun. In Roman religion they recognized the solstices and equinoxes but they had little influence on actual Roman festival calendars.
Official historiography says that the Jews in the period you are talking about did not have numbers but letters. how do you think they calculated the calendar? Apart from this, if you refer to the official factography of the data on the age of creation of certain calendars, things will be much clearer.@@allandidonato
I should have known what kind of talk this was going to be when the meaning of salvation was totally changed in order that it may include the old testament. Not good and 100% biased talk. Very deceptive. That’s fine though. Anyone wanting to find the truth will do so with or without this. Regardless, have a very good day💛
Not sure what you mean by changing the definition of salvation. I’m using a very generic understanding of the term since discussion of savior figures in myth generally don’t make distinctions.
is that all you got from this.. nothing about the historical information. are you programmed to turn things off if someone happens to make any reference to respecting or being christian lol. do you do the same thing if someone mentions bhudda
HELLAS, GREECE, ELLAS .. GOOGLE type in: EL meaning in ancient greek. Meaning:deity or god; sunray. El is a gender-neutral name with Hebrew and Greek origins that packs plenty of meaning in the two letters it holds. In the Semitic language, El means “deity” or “god,” and is a unique choice if you want to teach baby that there's more to life than the physical world. Google :Las meaning in ancient greek . The name of Las signified the rock on which it originally stood. It is mentioned by Homer in the Catalogue of Ships in the Iliad, and is said to have been destroyed by the Dioscuri, who hence derived the surname of Lapersae. Rock of Sun(-ray). Land of Light
Blown away, you have your stuff together. None of that tiresome Christian denial that it didn’t exist before Pompey sent Cilician pirates, worshippers of Mithras, to Brutium (Italy). You don’t seem to have a reference to Atys, who was crucified upside down, as an earlier incarnation of Mithras. Totally outstanding!
@@allandidonato as a middleeastern(i dont want to mention the name of the country i dont feel safe to name it) it is so add to me because as long as we have written hystori we name our girl mithra but we never have no evidence to show that ever somebody named a boy mithra, the name is that such femenin and soft and symbol of femininity inside which makes it nearly imposible to name a boy mithra and now when i see "he" befor her name it is extremely odd to me
@@km-sn5ui I have no intention to offend. And I am sorry you are hurt by what I have said. I am really just working with the sources I have in front of me. The Rig Veda links Mitra and Varuna, and Mithra is called “Lord” of wide pastures in the earliest texts, long before the Romans borrowed Mithra. I have never come across anything describing Mithra as a female deity. Obviously, if this is a tradition you inherited it must have some precedent. And interestingly, your faith would vindicate the Greek historian Herodotus who most accused of ignorance when he says Mithra is a goddess.
@@allandidonato let me tell you a theory we have but it is a theory we studied mithra and we thibk this goddes was actuly a real women in the era that death rate among new born were extremly hight so womens and their fertility was so important and a women with a lot of child could somtime get to huge amounth of respect and power we think she has rout in that time but any way as i said in my culture we never call a men mithra it is ofensive like call men Sara !!! She is the goddess of sun in my culture we cal sun Lasy Sun and there is a lot of song little kid sing in pre school about Lady Sun and also water in my culture consider femenin and also earch consider mother earth like other cultures and it seems when Azortastian came to power they start to reduce mithra and change her sexuality becuse that era of high death was over and civilization was growing fast and there were no fertility problem so half of people who were worshipe her they shift to Ahura Mazda and she reduce to a male god , so as you see when you raised with this much evidence when you sang for Lady Sun all your pre school and childhood , it is hard to see a he beside her name
@@km-sn5ui that is fascinating. Thank you for sharing your faith and experience. Coming at the topic from an academic perspective, it is always good to learn of other traditions and theories. I was completely unaware that Mithra continues to have worshippers to this day.
Excellent representation. A really spectacular introduction into this controversy that constantly shadows Christianity. Surprisingly, author, although reality is depicted more than obviously, still takes apologetic stand towards Christianity. Which, with all due respect to it’s followers, it is nothing but production of centuries of controversies and allegations and conjectures that were gathered eventually by Roman emperors, beginning with Constantin the great, later continued by his followers. Including mother of Constantin( church of holly sepulchre, crucifixion cross, etc.) Political influence of uniqueness of religions made an empire stronger than ever. And by the way, hello( glowing sun shining image over had of Jesus and all saint’s was taken from who???) Etc.,etc.,… Only dumb, deff and blind can not recognise undeniable, more than obvious facts where the image of Christianity as we know comes from. In contrary, first followers of Jesus Christ never claimed new religion whatsoever. They were known as a Jewish sect, very pious, Orthodox Jews. That differ from their Jewish brothers by following Jesus. While majority rejects Jesus. Brother of Jesus, James the just, as a first leader of church of Jerusalem, didn’t vindicated Jesus. Nor his disciples nor first followers. Unfortunately, this group never had chance to succeed. In the end, primary principal in ministry of Jesus, ( true historical Jesus, not his image made by Roman empire), followed by his disciples was that he never claimed divinity. Contrary, he insisted in continuation of previous prophets, judges and messengers with observing and following the Law of Moses. As simple as that. Which is, obviously more than obviously, the fact and universal truth of Jesus Christ. From words of himself. Undeniably. No matter how much effort someone can invest to prove opposite, can not succeed. And exactly because of ALL of those historical evidences. Which some of them we just witnessed. And there is a lot, lot more. Before we even reach to the Gospel. That’s why I am surprised when author, beside evidences he provided, he still defending this same falsely created image of Jesus Christ. Image throughout the spectrum of idolatry ( number one- death and resurrection, ….) No need to continue.
Not Persian cap, Phrygian. Loved the smurf! Don’t find Nero questionable. Also look for Claudius doing human sacrifice to Mithras. Virgin birth is Atys, the celibate priest who breaks his vows with a dryad. He is whipped, crucified, and resurrects as Mithras. Re-examine Cilician pirates. Also Ovid makes reference to emasculation of Atys, which is an incarnation of Mithras. So Mithras is around in the form of Atys. Do look at sun crown Atys statue wears at Ostia.
IT IS NOT GODLY AND THEY ARE NOT GODLY If they are not according to the covenant of God Yehovah. The covenant of God Yehovah is the covenant of truth and is everlasting. If they are not according to the word of God Yehovah. The word of God Yehovah is truth If they are not according to the law of God Yehovah. The law of God Yehovah is truth If they are not according to the commandments of God Yehovah. The commandments of God Yehovah are truth If they are not according to the ordinances of God Yehovah. The ordinances of God Yehovah are truth. If they are not according to the testimony of God Yehovah. The testimony of God Yehovah is true, sure and trustful. If they are not according to the spirit of God Yehovah. The spirit of God Yehovah is the spirit of truth (word, law, and testimony of God Yehovah) If they are not according to the prophets of God Yehovah. The prophets of God Yehovah are the prophets of truth (word, law, and testimony of God Yehovah) If they are not according to what God Yehovah has spoken. Yehobah is the true God. Yehovah is the God of truth. It is not of the Lord God Yehovah. They are not of the Lord God Yehovah. It is not Godly. They are not Godly It does not matter what it is or who. Leviticus 18:1-3,24-25,30 ASV And Jehovah spake unto Moses, saying, [2] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am Jehovah your God. [3] After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do; neither shall ye walk in their statutes. [24] Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out from before you; [25] and the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land vomiteth out her inhabitants. [30] Therefore shall ye keep my charge, that ye practise not any of these abominable customs, which were practised before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am Jehovah your God. Deuteronomy 12:2-4,8,29-32 ASV Ye shall surely destroy all the places wherein the nations that ye shall dispossess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: [3] and ye shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and burn their Asherim with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods; and ye shall destroy their name out of that place. [4] Ye shall not do so unto Jehovah your God. [8] Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes; [29] When Jehovah thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest in to dispossess them, and thou dispossessest them, and dwellest in their land; [30] take heed to thyself that thou be not ensnared to follow them, after that they are destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How do these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. [31] Thou shalt not do so unto Jehovah thy God: for every abomination to Jehovah, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters do they burn in the fire to their gods. [32] What thing soever I command you, that shall ye observe to do: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. Jeremiah 23:18,35-37 ASV For who hath stood in the council of Jehovah, that he should perceive and hear his word? who hath marked my word, and heard it? [35] Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbor, and every one to his brother, What hath Jehovah answered? and, What hath Jehovah spoken? [36] And the burden of Jehovah shall ye mention no more: for every man's own word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of Jehovah of hosts our God. [37] Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath Jehovah answered thee? and, What hath Jehovah spoken? Deuteronomy 13:1-5 ASV If there arise in the midst of thee a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and he give thee a sign or a wonder, [2] and the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; [3] thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or unto that dreamer of dreams: for Jehovah your God proveth you, to know whether ye love Jehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul. [4] Ye shall walk after Jehovah your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. [5] And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death, because he hath spoken rebellion against Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of bondage, to draw thee aside out of the way which Jehovah thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put away the evil from the midst of thee. Deuteronomy 18:20-22 ASV But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. [21] And if thou say in thy heart, How shall we know the word which Jehovah hath not spoken? [22] when a prophet speaketh in the name of Jehovah, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which Jehovah hath not spoken: the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him. Psalm 4:3-5 ASV But know that Jehovah hath set apart for himself him that is godly: Jehovah will hear when I call unto him. [4] Stand in awe, and sin not: Commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still. Selah [5] Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, And put your trust in Jehovah. Psalm 119:9,11 ASV Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word. [11] Thy word have I laid up in my heart, That I might not sin against thee. Psalm 40:8 ASV I delight to do thy will, O my God; Yea, thy law is within my heart.
Allen Christianity didnt originate from Mithraic mystery schools but rather the original religion of Christianity was corrupted by pegans after its origination. Mostly thia took place in the 4th cebtury. Its common knowledge at this point or should be
@@andrewclemons8619 I did title the talk “Mithraic Origins of Christianity” but the entire talk was a critique of those claims. My book has the added subtitle “questioning the Mithras-Christ connection”. No I’m not a theologian. My training is in Classical archaeology and philosophy, but I am a Christian and the talk was originally presented at an apologetics conference.
i just cant stop laughing at how many people bought into these new age ideologies without actually doing the research for them selves to easy understand how funny ideas are created :) there is actually Mitra and Mithra and they are separate deities . One we know all about the other nobody in the world knows anything about even though many videos similar like this will claim how hey know something :) also the funny ideas about similar stories like Christianity is nothing but a good hoax :) do your research people.. do not let others fool you
@@iyadalbouni1894 just for starters, Mithra was born of a rock... At least get the origin well distinguished. It is also a union of 2 gods, Solar Invictus with Mithra. No apostles.
Roman Catholicism is not Christianity. Read the King James Bible. Catholicism is nowhere near biblical Christianity. That's why Martin Luther started the protest. The catholic church wasn't following the scriptures. They were following mithraic practices and just renamed the holidays.
That bible has its origins in Catholicism... And you can't tell Japanese to read that version because they gotta learn English to do so. Or Portuguese, or dutch. That's a flawed approach.
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The early Christians destroyed a lot of Mithraic writings and built some of their churches upon Mithraeum.
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I been in a research about the Mithraic origen and history. Is not for religion purposes. That's other research that I have done In separate time . The reason is because in Central America the priest that were the heads of the independent movements and push for war against Spanish crown. . They were Catholic priests. But my research started about 4. Oh 5 years ago. Because. In every seal of the 5 countries you see a Red cap in a staff that rise about the 5 volcanic mountains. That are inside the triangle. . This 🇸🇻🇬🇹🇭🇳 🇳🇮 🇨🇷. Flags and country seals have the Mithraic cap. In their national seals. I have ask many people it they knew the significance of it. All of them could not tell me anything. Till I Run into a note that mentioned about the Mithraic. Cult. That are like masonic like ground. And that that Red cap represents knowledge o illumination. So the algorithm play this video for me but was not that helpful in my research . I just Lose the time the video lasts I was not able to get to my pho to change. But is ok that's what happens when you researching. Sometimes you lose time learning that some emotional guy want to rewrite history and discredit history. Christianity have borrowed from mani religions. Is not a thruth judeo religion only the Orthodox church and the Orthodox Judaism. Are a judeo religion. That I have learn it from my other research on the origins of religion.
@@edwingonzalez3703 interesting. I have puzzle pieces you may be looking for in your research.
Not the early Christians. They were getting killed and fed to the lions 😅 the later christianity, the one rome and the jews putted together did destroy the true good early christianity that was getting born but hijacked by the powers Rome and the jews or pharisee or whoever they are. Them
Cult of Magna Mater is linked to the 3rd-2nd Century BCE. She was an ally of Rome during the Second Punic War. Religion was tossed out by Romans. Only to return when Cilician Pirates were sent to Brutium.
And the biggest proof is just there: December 24th - the day Jesus is said to have been born and the birthday of Mithras. That's the longest night of the year, and it is celebrated by Persians for 3000 years. And of course, the parallel of Easter (which was added much later to Christianity) with Norooz -- first day of Spring celebrated by Persians for 3000 years.
These are not proofs at all. Those are major solar events and people have seen significance in those dates as far back as people have been star gazing. That the early church adopted such dates for their celebrations is natural and in no way dependent on Mithraism or earlier Persian festivals. The Christmas date was derived from calculation from various Passover considerations and the integral age tradition of second temple Judaism.
As a a former Christian I understand the culture and traditions of the religion. Now as an ashiest, I look for information that is coming from an unbiased, intelligent person. Your presentation is incredibly well done. It's easy to watch Fox news that will justify a conservative belief or to watch msnbc to justify a progressive belief. I don't like to be talked to like I'm an easily persuadable 3rd grader and your lecture didn't do that. Since I'm not going to travel to the Holy Land w/ a shovel and look for evidence, I have to rely on ppl like you to inform me of the ancient past.
I'm glad you are finding the content informative. I know everyone has biases, but as a college instructor I do try to work hard at keeping lectures as objective as possible. It all depends in part on who the audience is, and what I am trying to communicate. Thanks for watching.
You were never a Christian to begin with. You cannot just drop true faith like a hot potato. Your faith was like Judas Iscariot. He admired Jesus but never believed that Jesus was God. He was only interested in political power and riches.
He did not experience real relationship with The Father. You lacked the Holy Spirit and couldn't understand the Bible or the deep things of God. I hope and pray one day you will see the truth. Jesus Christ is Almighty God and there is no other.
@@Susieq26754 Jesus never God in first place. John 17:3
@@bjornicjonisson3362 . John 10:30 “The Father and I are one.” Do you want more? I have 24 more verses that verify that indeed He is God. But go ahead and keep using your little verse you have misinterpreted with the word, "and."
Maybe some person in King James time added the word "and"? Men have made changes in the past. Little subtle changes to try to take away his Diety.
God knows and sees those who try to twist and change his word. He also promised harsh repercussions for taking or adding words to His word.
So hang on to that little "and" if you want. See how far it gets you when you are face to face with God one day.
@@Susieq26754 Jesus did not speak of merely himself and his Father as being one but also of all his disciples as being one: “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: . . . that they may be one, even as we are one.” so Jesus disciple also God?
From my research MITHRAISM and the MITHRAS cult seems to be a religious or pagan figure of worship amongst the Roman army elite. The last supper idea would have been a sacred ceremonial meal that would occur prior to going to battle. They knew that for some that meal could be their last meal. Oftentimes in these ceremonial dinning and strategic planning rooms there would be an altar to MITHRAS.
But Jesus Christ didn't get ready for battle. His supper was one of remembering what he was getting ready to do. Which is die on a cross for all of our sins. So you and I wouldn't have to.
He taught us to serve one another, instead of being served. That Love for God with our whole heart and loving our brothers and sisters is the Greatest Command.
This Mithras myth is just a cheap immitation from the very group that nailed him to the cross.
Sacrificing a bull has nothing to do with Christianity. Maybe the antichrist.
@@Susieq26754 the romans, specifically the flavinians, created Jesus to control the jews' frequent uprisings and self proclaimed messiahs. It only happened with the help of the turncoat Josephus. Detailed in documentary Cesar's Messiah. When viewing a work of art, can you emotionally step aside and ask yourself what were the artist's intentions when creating it? The roman empire never fell, it just morphed into the holy Roman catholic church. A lot easier to control populations with religion versus an army. Notice the red hat of mithras, present on US coinage of Columbia. Roman symbolism present literally on all capitol buildings, most notably in DC, even inside the senate/congress. We are new Rome.
@@Susieq26754 How do you defend slavery in the bible, David killed many?
Mithras 67 BCE Google it. The Christians used this Pagan myth for their own purposes and created Jesus.
If you look at the church at Ravenna, you can see Christ with Roman bangs, clean shaven, and dress as a common Roman soldier. Justinian is dressed as a general on the same walls. There is also IC XC, Jesus Conquers, dating to the time of Justinian 6th or 7th Century CE. Same time as Muhammad in Saudi Arabia. Constantinople had a plague, after the plague Justinian decided Christians we’re outnumbered so he went to war with virtually anyone or everyone pagan. It’s why you see battle type mentality throughout his reign.
*The most ancient religious serviving text Rig Veda composed around ( 3000- 2000 BCE ) speaks about 33 deities , and mitra was one of the 33 deities*
You can study The oldest Indo Aryan literature Rig Veda to extract some information about Mitra , here in rig Veda mitra /mithra means "friend" /"companion"
The date of Rig Veda is very much debated...And early assumption of 1500 -1000 BCE is not the acurate dating ...Now with the work of archaeological survey of India's data , material culture extracted , astronomical studies this date of Rig veda is getting pushed back to be around 2500 BCE
Refer to shrikant talageri videos on RUclips , Sanauli archeological site , Saraswati river excavation in India....Recently Dr. neeraj rai's work on genetic studies , it's getting clearer that around 3000- 2500 BCE there has been out of India migration..From North Western India region....Towards westwards...
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It comes from the Black Cult of Zoroastrianism. It is part of the gnostic take over of religions. Luciferians. Hence Constantine who was inundated into Mithraism, and Gnosticism formed the Vatican which is Pagan Gnostics in disguise if you do a deep study. I have a lot of information in my playlists on a fair bit of this. But it comes from the Christian Historicist perspective mainly.
You might be interested in other various gnostic cults as well. Such as the Gnostic origins of Islam. How certain Christian Denominations are begun by Freemasonry which is Luciferian/Gnostics begun by Illuminati Gnostics, begun by Alumbrados Jesuit Catholic, Ignatius Loyola. Then you have Cabalism which is Gnostic, pre-dating Gnosticism even, being that Gnosticism is the syncretization of Christianity with Paganism giving credence to Paganism rather than evaluating Christianity from the Bible.
You also have the precursors to some of those, like Cabalism/Islam also had Ebonites, and other various cults surrounding the middle east and perhaps into Europe which were part of the development of certain views, beliefs, and mythologies.
Your dismissal of Dio Cassius and Pliny based upon Cumont's assumption that the Magi were some form of clergy is not that strong seeing that you already noted that Mithraism had initiation rites. Cassius and Pliny don't assume any such thing. They simply note that it was the Magi or Tiridates and those who accompanied him who did the initiation of Nero. Thus it is good evidence that by at least 66 AD the cult was alive is some form.
Lack of evidence is not evidence of absence. Also, given that the gospels were written considerably after the death of Christ and some evidence for Mithraism, in some form exist by late 1st century I still don't think you can conclude either way which came first. But mystery religions similar were before Christ. Also, even the earliest letters of Paul are around 50 AD so much of the early spread of Christianity was just getting going around mid to late 1st century. So again who came first who knows!
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Look up Dr. Richard Carriers lectures here on RUclips. Mithras most definitely came first.
the creed in corinthians 1 15 dates to before 35 AD
The first mistake here is to date Christianity to the time of the life of Jesus of Nazareth, before the end of the first century. The beliefs of the originated with the later interpretations of his life and teachings, and that was happening after the earliest date given for the Roman cult of Mithras. The beliefs were quite divergent for 200 years after Jesus’ death.
No. The beliefs did not morph drastically during the time of the church fathers. There were various versions of Christianity, true, but the Fathers who represented orthodoxy as it came down in tradition constantly referred back to the first century texts. And there is great continuity .
I appreciate this presentation. Despite the lack of evidence found by researchers proving that Christianity has its root in Mithraism, I’d bet money that this Mystery Cult did influence the men whose religious ideas shaped Roman Catholicism. The ideas found in Mithraism and other Mystery Religions were prevailing ideas of the time and would have been impossible to miss the minds of the most philosophical and spiritual members of society.
They had an influence culturally for sure, but it's too bad we don't have anything of their actual ideas preserved.
Before Christianity, there was Abraham and before him was Noah and Enoch and Seth and Adam. All these men would have known the true God , the Creator of Heaven and Earth and also knew the Fallen Ones . And they abided in the Only true unseen God and yet Enoch walked with God aka Christ , Noah spoke with God aka The Word , Abraham became friends with The Best Friend - Self Sacrificial Lamb, Moses spoke with God face to face and yet The Bible and Yeshua say , no one has seen God The Father . So these mam had families and servants and what they believed in would have been carried out through different religions the same way Nimrod - Asthara - Tammuz.. You see these three throughout different religions and no one says Osiris, Isis and Horus borrowed from the Annunakis or that the Hindus are actually worshipping the Annunakis..
Everyone is trying to lower the truth within Christianity and the authority of Christianity.
Christ came to fulfill ALL the prophecies and not to create a new religion . That means the truth was already there but He came to take what was written into reality and therefore it will always seem like Christianity borrowed and yet the Bible is actually a Historic Book aka New Testament while the Old Testament are the stories related with the prophecies of. Christ and the Deception of the Fallen Ones ...
So this video is pointless before everyone knew the truth but also wanted to do things according to their own desires thus the spiritual adultery.
Enoch knew the truth of God in the midst of The Annunakis and Giants killing human beings ... Let's not forget Job who knew the true God ..
Sounds the same as Tolkien’s “Mithril” armour which was bright like the sun.
I think it was actually based on Mithras.
if interested..The youthful God Mithra (right) symbolizing the Glorious Rays of the Sun. From Mount Nemrut Pantheon of Armenian Gods (sometimes called the Eighth Wonder of the Ancient World) erected by King Antiochus Theos (86-38 BCE) of Commagene.In the Armenian heathen Pantheon Mihr (Mithra or Mithras in Latin) was considered a supreme deity. Mihr was the personification of the Illuminating Rays of the Sun. The Grand Temple of Mihr/Mithra was located in the town of Bagaharich in the county of Derjan of the Upper Armenia province of Greater Armenia. The earliest mentioning of the worship of Mithra has been recorded in the Armenian Kingdom of Hurri-Mitanni. It was found in the cuneiform inscriptions of the Hittite capital Hattusa during the 1907 archaeological excavations. The Hittite cuneiform inscriptions mentions some of the notable Armenian Gods and Goddesses that made up the Armenian pantheon of Gods in the Mitanni Kingdom. The Hittite king Suppiluliuma (reigned between 1344 to 1322 BCE) ordered the recording of a peace treaty between himself and the Armenian king Šattivaz (reigned ca. 1350-1320 BCE), who represented the Hittite and Armenian kingdoms respectively. Suppiluliuma swears upon the great deities of Armenia and specifically calls upon Mithra to bless and protect the treaty of friendship and peace between the kingdoms of Hatti and Mitanni.As was noted, this treaty was made in the 14th century BCE, and this is the earliest recorded inscription that mentions Mithra as one of the supreme Gods of Armenia. This is roughly one thousand years before the God Mithra is mentioned in the Iranian inscriptions and the Indian Vedas. Some Indo-Iranian scholars have wrongly attributed Mithra as an Iranian or Indian deity, however as we have seen, the oldest inscription that sites Mithra as a God comes from the above noted 14th century BCE inscription that mentions Mithra as an native Armenian deity that occupied a very special place in the Armenian national Pantheon of Gods.owever, what these scholars fail to realize is that in the Gathas, the earliest sacred Zoroastrian texts attributed to Zoroaster himself, Mithra is not mentioned. Furthermore, Mithra also does not appear by name in the Yasna Haptanghaiti, a seven-verse section of the Yasna liturgy that is linguistically as old as the Gathas. Many scholars have noted that the lack of any mention (i.e. Zoroaster’s silence) of Mithra in these texts implies that Zoroaster in fact had rejected Mithra. This is supported by the fact that Zoroaster did not mention Mithra was because in fact in the earliest Avestan writings both Mihr-Mithra and the Armenian Matron Goddess Anahit are condemned as “daevas” or “false gods” or “daemons” that were not to be worshiped....t was only in the fourth century BCE, when we for the first time find the mentioning of Mithras in the Iranian context as a “positive’ deity of the very radiance of the Sun in the inscriptions of the Achaemenid king Xerxes II Mnemon. The Religion of Mithras or Mithraism as it became known in the West would soon spread beyond borders of Armenia, not only towards the East, towards Iran and India, but also that of the West. Mithraic temples known as Mithraea sprang up all over the Roman Empire. They were mostly promoted by Armenian aristocrats who already by this time were prominent generals in the Roman Army. Armenian King Tiridates III is a good example, who prior to his coronation was a prominent general in the Roman Army, it was Emperor Diocletian a close friend and fellow Mithraic devotee of Tiridates who asked the Armenian king to take the challenge of personal combat from a Gothic chief, Trdat successfully stood in for the Emperor and won the tournament....By the second century AD Mithraism was virtually the state religion of the Roman Empire and virtually all of the Roman Emperors during this time and prior to adoption of Christianity in the Fourth century CE were high initiates of the Mithraic mysteries. Most of the Mithraic rites along with the rituals and rites were simply taken over by the newly forming Roman Catholic Church...The traditional crown of the Armenian kings 8-rays/pyramids on top of the crown standing for the Sun’s rays (symbolizing Mithra) along with the 8-pointed star flanked by two eagles facing it (also Mithraic symbolism). The Sun King symbolized the physical incarnation of the Sun God in the world and the Armenian tiara symbolized the union of spiritual and material worlds symbolized by the crown and the leather silk portion of the diadem respectively (united by the sacred thread/headband of glory). Historic reconstruction of the bust of the Armenian King of Kings Tigranes II the Great (reigned 95-55 BCE) by the gifted artist Robert Hazarapetyan...The Mithraic mysteries that began in Armenia in the Second millennium BCE, through the Roman Empire left a lasting legacy on Western society and civilization in general. Many of the customs and norms are in fact taken directly from the Mithraic mysteries (just one notable example would be the handshake, which was specifically used by the devotees of Mithras and today has become common place greeting gesture all over the world). Many of the holidays that we come to celebrate (including Christmas on December 25) also come directly from Mithraism which were celebrated by the Roman emperors and later the Roman Catholic Church. Same is true of the Christian mass that is held very Sunday. The tradition of building churches right into the caves (where the Mithraic mysteries took place) continued by the Armenian Apostolic Church well into the Middle Ages as the surviving world renowned Geghard church attests to this great legacy...The only surviving Armenian National Mithraic Temple of the Sun God Mithra from First Century CE erected by the orders of King Tiridates I Arsacid (reigned 52-75 CE). There were 8 sacred heathen centers of the Armenian Gods and Goddesses throughout Greater Armenia with countless beautiful temples in every one of these 8 centers...- Excerpts from Pre-Christian Gods of Armenia (Glendale, 2007) by Hovik Nersisian (1921-2009). Nersisian is an author of many books and articles. He was a renowned scholar who in 1991, for his merits in Iranian Studies, most notably the study of the oldest surviving copies of the Avesta, became a full-member of New York’s Academy of Sciences.
Thank you very much, I have been saying Greco-Romanized Mithraism dates back to the 15th-16th-17th Centuries BCE.
Mithra, or Mitra aren't Mithras. They are very different deities.
This speculation on where Mithras came from is like I said speculation. We don't know where Mithras came from. He certainly came from the east, but why is unknown.
Romans added -s at the end to define the noun.
Alexander The Great was a liberator. Christ of his time that free the people from the matrix or evil system that had people slave. What will happen soon again in this lifetime as their end is near. His symbol was the sun on his shield. Still exist on the greek Macedonian flag
The connection to Mithraism appears to go back to the order of Melchizedek, something I’m looking into now.
I doubt it.
Ooo interesting. Got any leads?
Much older. Read Iranian leviathen
What goes in academia anymore is nothing short of Sophism. Even a novice in history knows Mithraism was brought to Rome from Middle East via Wars. Mithraism is the foundation of Freemasonry. Mithra was an Indo-Iranian deity. Geez. From Britainnacia:
Mithra, also spelled Mithras, Sanskrit Mitra, in ancient Indo-Iranian mythology, the god of light, whose cult spread from India in the east to as far west as Spain, Great Britain, and Germany. ( Mithraism.) The first written mention of the Vedic Mitra dates to 1400 BC. His worship spread to Persia and, after the defeat of the Persians by Alexander the Great, throughout the Hellenic world. In the 3rd and 4th centuries AD, the cult of Mithra, carried and supported by the soldiers of the Roman Empire, was the chief rival to the newly developing religion of Christianity. The Roman emperors Commodus and Julian were initiates of Mithraism, and in 307 Diocletian consecrated a temple on the Danube River to Mithra, “Protector of the Empire.
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Sorry but Alexander The Great was the liberator. He was not made for another The Great! Means he was very popular to the people as he liberated them from the matrix. Hellenism is about FREE thought while those who control us with propaganda control our minds and put their reality in our brain. Hellenism was against that and that's why hellenism has always being killed buy the dark adversory jews who with rome made a pact to get rid of hellenism for once and for all cause hellenism is all about free mind and not enslaved, morals, and all that is good. Do you think rome and the jews who wanted to control the masses would allow to to survive. Of course bot. And they are still in power. But their end is coming. Hellenism is coming back. Cause after dark comes the light, hellenismos
The whole section where he shows mithraic cults didn't predate Christianity was pointless because his claim was fallacious - mithraic cults absolutely did not have to predate Christianity to influence it. But even so, the claim is mithraism influenced Roman Catholicism, which it does predate anyway.
First, that Mithraism didn't predate Christianity is likely true, and I went over the arguments for and against. But I wasn't addressing Mithraism and Roman Catholicism, so why are you saying that was the claim. It wasn't. And I would love to see how exactly you supposed it influenced RC.
That quote about baptism not being related to other uses of water in religion is very naïve and I was surprised to see it referenced it seems it directly set out to say the two cannot be compared?
It doesn't need to predate Christianity to have influenced the text that came later or the Romans that adapted the Christianity to their pre existing beliefs. If you are looking for a neat in a box example of a perfect parallel of course that is difficult to find, but you are also able to see the shared characteristics and to assume it is completely unrelated could be bias confirmation. The burden of proof lies with those who try to make fact of anything religious. Including Christianity itself. All we have to go on are collection of writings by man. Filtered through and interpreted by man. Then you have people thousands of years later claiming their interpretations are correct.
I think the burden of proof is on those who say there is a parallel or a dependence. You cannot even show the similarities in any substantial and meaningful way.
@@allandidonato I disagree, the burden of proof is on the many religions that claim be the only true religion. There has always been a religion of "the time" and the followers were always very confident in their belief. I think at the most basic level you have to admit Christians are responsible to provide the evidence IF they are going to preach it like fact in this forum.
@@0bservationis1when I say the burden of proof is on those who are claiming parallels and dependency I’m saying you have to show parallels rather than say they exist. I’m showing that the parallels are weak or non-existent. Plus the chronology issues are relevant. This wasn’t about other questions and historicity, but Christians have argued those as well, and not from the Bible says so approach or tradition. So yeah, if your going to claim Christianity was influenced by Mithraism you better have some evidence.
@@allandidonato True, I am not an expert so what I have seen is convincing, but I do check my own ignorance. I see that all religions seem to share components. Primarily that they are the only true religion, but they share lots of other features on a basic level.
The date for CIMRM 593 at earliest is 98-99 CE given that Livanius was the Commander of the Praetorian Guard in 101 CE - according to Gordon. So it was already in force by then again confirming an earlier date for Mithraism taking hold than early 2nd century.
You're lying. There are so many Mithraic houses of worship in present date Iran and they all go back to before Christ. Famous ones are in Maraghe and in Kangavar. Please don't spread lies.
The Maragheh temple lacks any evidence of Mithraic iconography. I know it was used for other purposes afterward, but you’d need some evidence that it was Mithraic in the sense we are concerned with. Mithra worship is not in question as I said, but older Mithra worship, in Persia, India, or early Anatolia are not the same as the Roman Cult we are discussing. The Kangavar temple is also a far cry from the later cult we are investigating. The point still stands.
If the Mithras cult was a secret cult without scipture, how can you know all these things? Are there archeological evidences?
It was secret, but we still have quotes from various sources that shed light on beliefs and practices. And yes lots of archaeological remains.
@@allandidonato There is a large number of Roman soldier's Mithras cult sites in Germany. However, besides some pictures and statues there is nothing of the cult itself. It can be deducted that the cultists met frequently and had a meal together. That is all. Which narratives they had, which stories they told is not recoverable from these sites. I doubt that there is a Persian influence because none of the objects found point to Persia except the picture of the man killing a bull with a knife or sword. An interference with the cristian religions cannot be deducted neither from these sites.
So can you supply sources describing the details of the cult and sources of the archeological proofs? Would be interesting.
@@ghlscitel6714 I put a good number of textual citations in the talk, mainly Greco-Roman sources and material from the church fathers, so it is all from outside the cult until you get to inscriptions from various Mithrea. But you are right when you say the evidence of Persian influence is lacking. But I would take it further in that I don’t think the artistic depiction we have from numerous tauroctony are Persian in style or influence either. The Persian cap is fairly standard but the pose and overall style has direct precursors in Roman art. See the remains of the basilica Ulpia.
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@@allandidonato I have also heard that all the parallels listed at 6:05 are based on writings from the 1800s that fail to cite any contemporary sources
Mithraism has several elements in common with Paul’s writings. Guess where Paul went: Rome, Greece and Asia Minor, all the places you find Mithraism. Looks to me like Mithraism borrowed doctrine from Paul.
Borrowed doctrine from paul??? I hope this is sarcasm lol Mithraism existed 1200yrs before jesus never mind paul lol
@@robp7132 I meant Paul borrowed from Mithraism. Good catch.
Both mithraism and Christianity (worship of serapis) co existed in the roman empire. Christianity was more in Egypt. The first order of the day in nicea was to choose between mithraism and Christianity. They voted to go with Christianity.... emperor Constantine wanted a single religion for his empire...
Wow. No. Christianity is not the worship of Serapis, in spite of Christianity having a large presence in Egypt. The was no discussion of Mithraism at Nicea. Not a thing.
THE VIDEO SHOULD BE CALLED: THE MITHRAIC ORIGINS OF CATHOLICISM.
That doesn't seem to have anything to do with this video.
@@allandidonato The only religion that use the mithra hat is roman catholicism, mithaism went underground, long ago, mixing herself and calling those that know the truth illuminati, the rest are called catechumen. Roman catholicism was divided into two, the illuminados and the rest that are just those that deserved to be lie to according to their secret agreements. To understand it, you must take a look at Revelation 17 and 18, these two chapters only fits roman catholicism. Christianity if we can call it as, was divided into two, those that believed in Yahushua (when he came the first time according to Isaiah 61, 1-2 and he is suppose to come two times) the moshi-Yahu according to Daniel 9, and those that did not accept him continued as today judaism.
Was in Egypt where judaism introduced some of the Assyrian worship rites into the jewish religion, Isaiah 52: 4. One of them was the yamulke.
For thus saith the Lord GOD, My people went down aforetime into Egypt to sojourn there; and the Assyrian oppressed them without cause. (assyrians in Egypt?) It is talking about the popularity of mithaism at the time.
The assyrian religion was very popular then as it is now, and this religion have being changing her name throughout history, today it is called roman catholicism, but in Egypt was called mithraism.
The rites are the same, only as a chameleon adapt itself to the moment in history.
After watching this video looks like Christianism could be created around the MYTH OF JESUS rather than a historical figure, in other words, it looks like Jesus as a person never existed and everything was a myth. But even if it is true, what after watching this video it is very likely, not for that reason the ethical teachings of the Myth of Jesus are false. It is like when you read about any other myth, legend, or tale, not because a tale is a tale that means that the ethical teachings behind the tale are false. In other words when we deconstruct Christianism we need to be aware that in the end it has been and it is the belief of millions of people, whose ethics, in one way or another has contributed along history in different ways.
Well the discussion focused on the relationship between the NT accounts and the Mithraic cult in Rome. It really can’t be concluded that the figure of Jesus is purely mythical. The historical question needs to be approached not via some comparative mythology, but in consideration of historical, textual, and archaeological sources. And most scholars (not all) would not go so far as to embrace mythicism. That Jesus was an historical figure is basically beyond serious contention.
The catholic mass which i live has a very Mitra feel to it.T h e God of light who descends to earth and gives of himself to humanity as spiritual food and ascends back to the heavens.
Well light overcoming darkness is a universal symbol found in most religions, philosophies, and literature. There’s just nothing about Mithra giving himself as spiritual food that can be gleaned from any sources we have.
The bull is the zodiac sign
Mitra wears a liberty cap a symbol of magic mushrooms. You can see Mitra in the apotheosis of George Washington.
The Bull is stung in his balls by Scorpio emasculation
Nice video man! Very informative
¿Who wore the yamulke first the papacy or the jews?
Interesting question.
🗡 Mithras rushes through the world with a sword in his hand that he thrusts into the lower nature to slay it; under him the lower nature dies.
🕊 Christ offers himself as the Lamb of God, who takes the lower nature into himself in order to redeem it.
(Steiner, Karma of Vocation)
I like that perspective. Interesting way to approach the symbolism. I just wish we had Mithraic primary texts to shed more light on the meaning of the tauroctony.
This is an excellent very concise presentation! Thank you so much! I just got your book.
So glad you liked it. Enjoy the deeper dive in the book.
What's the name of the book, and did you get it?
Thank you
@@wesdale1753 I have tried to reply to you to answer your two questions but nothing I post will go through. I don't know why?
@@wesdale1753 I tried to respond to you days ago, but it was deleted for some reason. The book is "The Mithraic Origins of Christianity: Questioning the Mithras-Christ Connection" by Allan Di Donato (2021). Yes. I got it.
I appreciate that you present fully about those who equated Christianity with Mithraism..and that you completely debunked those who equate biblical Christianity with this ancient cult..forgive me at first equating the lecture with the zeitgeist movement..the zeitgeist movement is to purposively deceiving those who hold the to the truth..that movement stops at the comparison and doesn't bother in any way the differences between the two to those Christians who are not familiar with the ancient world ..as I am a firm believer in Christ.. Christ was never equated as a bull a universal symbol of ancient paganism..but a lamb of god symbolize humility...your lecture is very objective and that is a virtue..
Thanks for the feedback. Sorry I didn't see it until now. I think a lot of people assume a particular point-of-view is going to be presented before they get very far into the video. Thanks for watching and listening to the case I'm making.
the pagan druids knew that december 25 was important this has to do with the winter solstice the it marks the end of the short days of winter and long nights. so really Christianity adapted/adopted that date. 21 marks the death of the sun (on the lowest point of the equator) 22 23 24(dormant/buried/shortest days) it stays there, and on the 25 it rises (resurrection) days get longer after that, all close to the constellation of the crux
the timeframe back then in december was, cold, starving and bleak.
the suncross is the pagan cross of the zodiac.
4 great ages that are in the procession of the equinox are described in the bible bull, ram pisces and aquarius forshadowing in luke 10:22 or 22:10 cant remember.
each great ages last 2150 about. ofcourse christians will never admit any of it.
Of course the date makes the winter solstice. Christianity always acknowledged that all the way back tot he Patristics. That’s why the birth was placed there. It just didn’t have anything to do with borrowing a pagan date or festival. It’s the same reason pagans used the date. Even Old Testament festivals coincided with annual natural events. That is part of the symbolism inherent in the choice of those dates.
@@allandidonato i see that the same as a satanist holding a mass of some sort in the church ok
seeing clearly how dishonest Christians are now. literally stealing festival days under the noses of other religions. very nice.
Mitra is an ancient Hindu god of friendship. Mitra first appears in texts from the Vedic period, and he dates to the 14th century BCE.
22:27 they did have a hierarchical structure and inner circle. I feel like the evidence points to its appearance 3rd century BC
There is definitely a hierarchy of initiation, just not a clergy. I would need to see some good evidence of 3rd century BC origins though.
Persian here. Mithra - deity of Light - was born on Dec. 21, the longest night of the year. The Romans adopted this celebration from the Persians. In Iran today, Dec. 21 is still celebrated as "Yalda"/"Birth" of Mithra. Rome celebrated Mithra's birth date for 300 years. When Christianity was adopted, the Romans adopted the date as Christ's birth. NOTE: The Eastern Orthodox, unlike the Romans, do not attribute Dec. 25 to Christ's birth. Only the Romans did. (Dec. 21 vs. Dec. 25 was due to calendar transformations.) I shan't go into the parallels of Christ's teachings on love and forgiveness with that of the Persian world. Jesus spent time in the East, very likely. Jesus was a Persianized Jew if you ask me.
The origin of the date for Christmas in the western church is a complicated discussion, but it has something to do with the solstice which was held to be the 25 on the Julian calendar. The celebration of Jesus’ birth on that day has nothing to do with Mithras though. It was due to a calculation ultimately linked to early attempts to identify the exact date of the crucifixion. Too complicated to deal with here. I’ll probably make a video on that sometime.
I believe Jesus’ father was a Roman soldier and in order to save her life from stoning a Jewish widow agreed to marry her and the whole immaculate conception was added later so the Roman’s could create a state religion of Catholicism to again control the masses.
Joseph of Aremathea, Mary’s uncle funded Jesus’ education at x12 years to 30 in Egypt, Persia, xKashmir and other areas with xhigher education. I believe Joseph of Aremethea and Roman officials arranged to drug Jesus with the “sponge” take him down, inter him and then release and revive him. Jesus then went away to join Mary is wife and her child either in France or Kashmir. This is all my opinion and I don’t think returns to be right. I believe the only gods And devils are the ones men create on earth to scare and control the masses.
My apologies for the typos…. I meant to say these ideas are just my opinions and I don’t pretend to be right.
the temple of Garni in Armenia was built during 72AD , it was dedicated to the sun god Mihr. 24:32
No doubt. But I acknowledged the great antiquity of Mithra in that region. The question was about Mithaea in those areas and those are not the same.
Mitra is the Hindu god of friendship, harmony, integrity, and order among humans. He appears in the pantheon of gods from the Vedic period of Hinduism. which generally dates between 1500 BCE and 800 BCE. Mitra is one of the sons of goddess Aditi, or one of the Adityas. In the early texts, Mitra plays the role of a protector of treaties. The Vedic period word mitra-m is Indo-Iranian and roughly translates to things such as ''oath, treaty, contract, or covenant,'' and later on, takes on the meaning of ''ally'' or ''friend.'' However, academics have also considered that Mitra is also a solar deity during the Vedic period.
Sabbath is Saturday not Sunday
Never said it wasn’t.
@@allandidonato At the 6:48 marker !
Sabbath observance as the day of the sun
Sabbath is the day of Saturn !
Saturday not Sunday !
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Ok, I see where you are talking about now. Yes, the Jewish Sabbath is the seventh day. That part of the talk was discussing oft repeated claims about Mithraism. Since Shabbat simply means day of rest, it’s fine to call their day of observance a sabbath loosely, though it did fall on the day of the Sun.
Everything that was in iran doesn't necessarily mean it is Persian just as not all Iranians are Persian but every Persians are Iranians
It wasn't a Persian God (although it influenced Zoroastrian book of Avesta), it was dominant religion during Median Empire ((Medes)c. 688 BC-c. 559 BC) which is believed to be a Kurdish Dynasty with Ecbatana as their capital near Kurdistan Region (it's an iranic language family
Women in Kurdish: Zhan or Jan
In Persian: Zan)
Achaemenid Dynasty (AKA first Persian Empire 559 BC-331 BC with Persis as their capital in south of the country) was established right after the Median Empire and Zoroastrianism became the dominant religion.
But after the Alexander conquest from Greece and Anatolia All the way to the indus valley, internal migrations became easy and those Mithraic minorites migrated to the Capital (Athens) and Balkan Region (for better job/life or more salary), and Mithraism began flourishing there until Christianity became popular which caused it to go Extinct.
But even tho it's an extinct religion there are some traditions and Celebrations from Mithraism which is remained to this day such as Yalda Night festival in 21 December each year.
Mithraic Priests were called "Magi" (comes from the word Magic or مجوس/Majoos in Arabic Quran)
Zoroastrian Priests were called "Mobed".
I see this only has ~1000 views and not much dialogue in the comment section (as usual in youtube videos) ..
It's growing. 3283 now.
@Genaro Capablanca To counter your comment, Nikola Tesla claimed paranormal activity and that most of his inventions arrived instantaneously, then he just wrote them down; he also followed some superstitious practices such as repeating certain things three times, even if there isn't an apparent objective reason to do so, although I'm cherry-picking an example to counter your comment, I get it... people with advanced reasoning which follow objectivity, are not christian, not religious, not superstitious & not fanatics. On the other hand... not all of them are atheists...
To cherry-pick an example again, Zohreh Davoudi
, Theoretical physicist, Massachusetts Institute of Technology..
@Genaro Capablanca Edit - Also yes I am not a christian (aside from traditional practices like attending marriages & funerals) and not a fanatic. I don't care about any christian dogma.
At the same time, I don't care about atheists which "believe in nothing" as their belief system... investigative & truth-connected people are more respectable, also life is short so no one wants to be around lots or arrogant atheists & arrogant christians.
Second to that, I adhere to the claim.. that Tesla invented the first electric oscillators, meters, electrical powered lights, high-voltage transformers, X-ray equipment, short-range radio, first electrical power station, & so on... all via his claim of instantaneity & paranormal activity.
Therefore, much of the modern world, utilities we use every day, were invented by someone which could simply draw them via instantaneity & paranormal activity.
So, how is it scientifically possible ? I adhere to either A1) Someone like Zohreh Davoudi at MIT, will eventually find the evidence (which is the majority of her field, looking for evidence of a parallel reality), then a parallel reality could, within scientific logic, somehow transfer information to people like Nikola Tesla.
A2) He had some kind of a unique mind which invented stuff in the subconscious, all like ' hidden ', then sent it to his conscious, so he perceived it as " paranormal information "..
I think A1 has a higher likelihood.
@Genaró Capablanca
The value of knowing the synopsis of christianity ? The primary element in the synopsis, was to infiltrate & undermine the Holy Roman Empire...
The secondary element in the synopsis, IDK, collecting tax ? teaching people to be good & prepare for the afterlife ? who cares.
Now changing topic, Capablanca was a famous chess player, Fischer said " the best chess player which ever lived ". I'm not going to answer anymore lest this turn into a 200 answer dialogue then someone copy-pastes it all into a blog or e-book. Ciao.
if there were no persian mithraism, then what was the state religion of the parthians?
Mithra were median(kurdish) religion
Which is Roman follow the mithra at that time
As soon as persia start war against Roman they change the mithraism to Christianity
@@gotian6649 then do armenians and kurds have a similar origin if mithra is of the medes? maybe the roman emperor discovered manicheaism? the romans adopted gods and goddesses from all over the roman empire. a lot of hellenistic mithraism was incorporated into the manichean christ archetype that became christianity.
@@redsamson0023 yes it can be
Could it be that Mithraism and Christianity share a shared root instead of one having informed the other?
I cant believe that your comment did not get a thumbs up. The most logical and useful question asked. We know that they both share roots. The mysteries are found hidden and revealed in most all world religions and all coincide with what astrological age the adherents found themselves in. They all share the demiurge and the archetype. They all have a similar creation, catastrophes, god-man interference, flesh corruption, death, a rebirth and a new creation. Over and over again. It has always been the Ancient Aryan peoples that have built these worlds, been the hero's, kept the knowledge and mysteries and told the sagas. For me, right now I will follow the Runes as Jesus was Mithras, Mithras was Odin.
Never! May God forgive you, for you know not what you do.
Mithraism tried to join the two. But it never worked. Jesus Christ has already won the battle.
Any Born Again believer knows that Jesus wasn't born on Dec.25. That star wasn't sent by God. The wise men couldn't kill Jesus. They saw that He was The Messiah.
He defeated Satan at the cross. It is finished. It is man's choice to search for Jesus Christ in His word and through His Holy Spirit. Knock and the door shall be opened, seek and you shall find, ask and it shall be given.
@@Susieq26754 hello pagan cult
@@Susieq26754😂😂😂 hmmm christians.
Still one of your best talks. What a finish too. On iranian gnostisicm.
Before zorastrians in Iran Mitheaism was worshiped.
With Mithra born dec 25 and of a virgin, those alone cancel Jesus. So Allan main man, please give us the source.. Thanks!
He was born out of a rock and his feast day was not December 25. Not even his origin Solar Invictus had his day on December 25, it was sometime in October and had several other dates, none falling on December.
oh and Christianity didn't begin until 200 years later officially. Their records are missing because it's alive and well.
Mithras temple in Britain was AD 250, long before Christianity and Britain was a late comer to the Empire. Christianity borrowed from Sun and Bull God worship and threw in the virgin birth, because there were other Gods that already had that. Competitive scene. The Kingdom on this earth, is a very western european concept. Lots of nature worshiping, esp among the various barbarian tribes who embraced Christianity, bringing in elements of their Gods and ideas.
Britain was late to the empire, but it was added in the first century. And AD 250 is not long before Christianity. Decius was conducting an empire wide persecution of the religion by that time, so I’m pretty sure it was around prior.
Seems as though the religions are very similar, simply shift a bit from place to place. Romans roped the fearful though by promising eternal life without having to work for it. That's gonna be the popular dish. And big. Humans are fearful.
My mother always said; book since without common sense equals no sense. If the Persians ruled the world then common sense would say they put forth their god Mithras. The Persian sun god of Persian origins... Which existed before the Roman empire was in power. It wasn't until Alexander the Great conquered the Persian army. Therefore, replacing the Persians God with the Greek god Zeus. Who his mother professed he was the son of. This was later retranslated to the Romans translation...Jesus. Which is still a misuse of the true savior name...Yahshua the Messiah. You don't have to be a scholar or a biblical expert to disprove their translation...just take out your cell phone which most people have these days and Google. What was the last letter added to the alphabets. It was the letter (J)..it only existed for some 400 to 600 years! So if the Savior walked the Earth over 2000 years ago. There's no way his name could have been Jesus Christ! This is why he states clearly. Ps I come in my father's name (Yah) Yahweh, and you receive me not. However, let another come in his name him you would receive...No (J) No Jesus...Why so many false interpretations...Because the first thing a worthy adversary (Lucifer) would do...Is to Rob Yahweh the creator of his creation true identity...The true name revealed to Moses in the Mount of Mount Sinai... Yahweh...A memorial to all generations...pass, present and future!
I acknowledge the early origins of the god, at least 2000 BC. But the cult prominent in the Roman Empire was much later and had elements unknown in Persia. As for the J in Jesus, of course he wouldn’t be called Jesus at that time. Yeshua is closer to his actual name. But how we refer to him is irrelevant so long as we are speaking about the historical figure accurately. It no different from calling John - Juan. We know the referent and the generally accepted transliteration so it works either way.
The Sassanian Empire especially under their founder Ardashir 1 installed an orthodox Zoroastrianism and destroyed all temples in Iran except for four fire temples in Yazd. The preceding empire Parthians were followers of Mitra and fled to Armenia which ironically became the first Christian nation. These Parthians were a feudal Knight order that had Mitra and esoteric mysticism as their religion.
I never denied the worship of Mithra in Persia, but we cannot conflate Mithraism with earlier Iranian worship. They were distinct, and neither had an impact on foundational Christianity.
Paul was from Tarsus in Cilicia
Yes he was. I’m interested in just which Mithraic teachings you’re thinking about though.
@@allandidonato when looked in Mithraism it said it seemed to originate in Cilicia. Paul was from Cilicia and his doctrine has similarities to Mithraism. One is that Mithraism had 7 items of clothing they were to wear. Paul had the 7 items of spiritual armor. Hmm
@@stevenschmitz8901 Hmm indeed. Of course you may be thinking of the seven grades of initiation. We don’t have any textual references to types of clothing worn. Of course seven is one of those highly symbolic numbers that pops up across religions, myths, etc.
@@allandidonato I read of the seven items of clothing in Mithraism somewhere this week . I’ll try to find.
Isn't Sabbath on Saturday and not Sunday?
It is. Perhaps I misspoke. I’ll have to listen again to see what I was trying to say.
actually starts friday night
do you mean Persian Mithraism or Roman Mithraism? the Persian form may have predated Christianity while the Roman form may not have
Yes. But either way, it had no influence on Christianity since there are no significant parallels.
if interested..The youthful God Mithra (right) symbolizing the Glorious Rays of the Sun. From Mount Nemrut Pantheon of Armenian Gods (sometimes called the Eighth Wonder of the Ancient World) erected by King Antiochus Theos (86-38 BCE) of Commagene.In the Armenian heathen Pantheon Mihr (Mithra or Mithras in Latin) was considered a supreme deity. Mihr was the personification of the Illuminating Rays of the Sun. The Grand Temple of Mihr/Mithra was located in the town of Bagaharich in the county of Derjan of the Upper Armenia province of Greater Armenia. The earliest mentioning of the worship of Mithra has been recorded in the Armenian Kingdom of Hurri-Mitanni. It was found in the cuneiform inscriptions of the Hittite capital Hattusa during the 1907 archaeological excavations. The Hittite cuneiform inscriptions mentions some of the notable Armenian Gods and Goddesses that made up the Armenian pantheon of Gods in the Mitanni Kingdom. The Hittite king Suppiluliuma (reigned between 1344 to 1322 BCE) ordered the recording of a peace treaty between himself and the Armenian king Šattivaz (reigned ca. 1350-1320 BCE), who represented the Hittite and Armenian kingdoms respectively. Suppiluliuma swears upon the great deities of Armenia and specifically calls upon Mithra to bless and protect the treaty of friendship and peace between the kingdoms of Hatti and Mitanni.As was noted, this treaty was made in the 14th century BCE, and this is the earliest recorded inscription that mentions Mithra as one of the supreme Gods of Armenia. This is roughly one thousand years before the God Mithra is mentioned in the Iranian inscriptions and the Indian Vedas. Some Indo-Iranian scholars have wrongly attributed Mithra as an Iranian or Indian deity, however as we have seen, the oldest inscription that sites Mithra as a God comes from the above noted 14th century BCE inscription that mentions Mithra as an native Armenian deity that occupied a very special place in the Armenian national Pantheon of Gods.owever, what these scholars fail to realize is that in the Gathas, the earliest sacred Zoroastrian texts attributed to Zoroaster himself, Mithra is not mentioned. Furthermore, Mithra also does not appear by name in the Yasna Haptanghaiti, a seven-verse section of the Yasna liturgy that is linguistically as old as the Gathas. Many scholars have noted that the lack of any mention (i.e. Zoroaster’s silence) of Mithra in these texts implies that Zoroaster in fact had rejected Mithra. This is supported by the fact that Zoroaster did not mention Mithra was because in fact in the earliest Avestan writings both Mihr-Mithra and the Armenian Matron Goddess Anahit are condemned as “daevas” or “false gods” or “daemons” that were not to be worshiped....t was only in the fourth century BCE, when we for the first time find the mentioning of Mithras in the Iranian context as a “positive’ deity of the very radiance of the Sun in the inscriptions of the Achaemenid king Xerxes II Mnemon. The Religion of Mithras or Mithraism as it became known in the West would soon spread beyond borders of Armenia, not only towards the East, towards Iran and India, but also that of the West. Mithraic temples known as Mithraea sprang up all over the Roman Empire. They were mostly promoted by Armenian aristocrats who already by this time were prominent generals in the Roman Army. Armenian King Tiridates III is a good example, who prior to his coronation was a prominent general in the Roman Army, it was Emperor Diocletian a close friend and fellow Mithraic devotee of Tiridates who asked the Armenian king to take the challenge of personal combat from a Gothic chief, Trdat successfully stood in for the Emperor and won the tournament....By the second century AD Mithraism was virtually the state religion of the Roman Empire and virtually all of the Roman Emperors during this time and prior to adoption of Christianity in the Fourth century CE were high initiates of the Mithraic mysteries. Most of the Mithraic rites along with the rituals and rites were simply taken over by the newly forming Roman Catholic Church...The traditional crown of the Armenian kings 8-rays/pyramids on top of the crown standing for the Sun’s rays (symbolizing Mithra) along with the 8-pointed star flanked by two eagles facing it (also Mithraic symbolism). The Sun King symbolized the physical incarnation of the Sun God in the world and the Armenian tiara symbolized the union of spiritual and material worlds symbolized by the crown and the leather silk portion of the diadem respectively (united by the sacred thread/headband of glory). Historic reconstruction of the bust of the Armenian King of Kings Tigranes II the Great (reigned 95-55 BCE) by the gifted artist Robert Hazarapetyan...The Mithraic mysteries that began in Armenia in the Second millennium BCE, through the Roman Empire left a lasting legacy on Western society and civilization in general. Many of the customs and norms are in fact taken directly from the Mithraic mysteries (just one notable example would be the handshake, which was specifically used by the devotees of Mithras and today has become common place greeting gesture all over the world). Many of the holidays that we come to celebrate (including Christmas on December 25) also come directly from Mithraism which were celebrated by the Roman emperors and later the Roman Catholic Church. Same is true of the Christian mass that is held very Sunday. The tradition of building churches right into the caves (where the Mithraic mysteries took place) continued by the Armenian Apostolic Church well into the Middle Ages as the surviving world renowned Geghard church attests to this great legacy...The only surviving Armenian National Mithraic Temple of the Sun God Mithra from First Century CE erected by the orders of King Tiridates I Arsacid (reigned 52-75 CE). There were 8 sacred heathen centers of the Armenian Gods and Goddesses throughout Greater Armenia with countless beautiful temples in every one of these 8 centers...- Excerpts from Pre-Christian Gods of Armenia (Glendale, 2007) by Hovik Nersisian (1921-2009). Nersisian is an author of many books and articles. He was a renowned scholar who in 1991, for his merits in Iranian Studies, most notably the study of the oldest surviving copies of the Avesta, became a full-member of New York’s Academy of Sciences.
@@hikeoganessian9729 oh my god, thank you!!!
@@allandidonatoA lack of evidence is not evidence of absence, however. As (Roman) Mithraism remained a mystery religion of mostly military men, a lot of the actual details remain a mystery to us. But regardless if accept some parallels or not, you are committing a logical fallacy here: A religion doesn't have to predate another to influence it. An older religion can adopt ideas from a newer religion as well.
And regardless if there was any influence or not, the greater question should be about how these cults came to be in the first place, i.e., about their shared roots, which might explain any seemingly apparent similarities as well, without naively thinking any such similarity must be because of some direct black and white influence from one to another.
@@BluesruseI agree
You must be a Christian Scholar? That's fine but it seems like you're going out of your way to separate the two religions.
Only because the two religions are very distinct. I don’t think I’m going out of my way to differentiate them. Ancient comparisons are made on very minor points and modern comparisons generally over emphasis similarities, even adding elements not actually found in Mithraism.
Thank you very much for this outstanding eye opening presentation
With much appreciation from Mauritius
Great talk! No beating about the bush here!
If you must fear someone in order to obey and love them then that isn't love it's Abuse. The God of the Bible exemplifies Abuse.
Examples of Christianity's natural masochistic Guilt ridden qualities:
1) Bible: "For the fear of God is the beginning of wisdoms." WTF? That's like mob boss Tony Soprano punching my face then telling me:
"Ehh forget about it." We're brothers."
So God never really loved us? he just needs us to fear and worship him eternally for our own good?
2) Real Actual Love: "For the belief in God is the beginning of wisdoms."
Why must I fear God first in order to later find Gods love for me?
The belief in God means you actually have a choice; thus making you more Nobel in essence not in tradition. I get to choose using my Five divine senses and the spirit of truth which is well TRUTH, a universal fact it's not deceitful, or vague, it is usually proven, not false, pure, not cluttered.
Fear: Unpleasant emotion causing feelings of panic and anxiety for potential harm to ones body, mind, or spirit by an inner or exterior thing and or situation. Or persons.
Why must fear be required for a salvation required by faith? If fear is the wisdom of a path to God then surely I must need to be conscience and aware of something tangible that causes the emotion of Fear.
Christians say the reason God is feared is because his judgement is eternal wrath of fire in righteousness and hell must be escaped.
That is the same thing as saying: ("Oh ok, I won't brutally murder that lady because i can risk going to jail or it can give me inconvenient penalties.")
Where is the purity, holiness. And benevolence in that?
Maybe don't kill the lady because it's really evil and disrespectful to take a life you had no hand in creating. You need to be a very violent and angry
person to be Christian, I speak of pure experience.
As a matter of fact; blind faith is required by the biblical Jesus and The Jewish God Jehovah, Correct?
If that's the case why is their even a Bible? If blind faith is required for the belief in God and the salvation of our souls. Why need a Holy Spirit? Why need a Doctrine? Why need to do anything? If Fear and accepting the creators son as our only savior is the key, why everything else? Oh because I also have to be obedient to the long list of requirements to the Jesus life? thanks God......
Now If I fall from Grace or die in sin I get punished in eternal damnation and molten lava while my brain boils eternally. Meanwhile a bunch of catholic, protestant and left wing red necks and entitled Karen's walk on streets of Gold with a blue eyed Jesus and millions of aborted kids. WTF? this God of Abraham sucks holy cornfuckinholio.
Your own religion asks you to suppress your human senses and believe in faith alone.
Hebrews 11 bible Faith: Paul says: "I say unto thou, faith is the certainty of your hopes and the conviction of the unseen."
True Love Faith: "I say unto thou; Faith is waiting on a situation, a person, or an object to act on your behalf all while suppressing your God given senses,
or any practical evidence."
Jehovah is historically justified for being all knowing & sending death and genocide against his enemies and then even sends his poor gullible masochistic son Jesus to get murdered by a bunch of humans? Sounds like Greek mythology.
Sin? What is the opposite of sin? Anti-Sin?
Could it be that sin is just bad behavior?
Could it be that evil is distinct from sin? A sin should be directly correlated to Evil acts, especially if Jesus died to cleanse our SINS? Surely The God of the commandments is the same yesterday today and forever correct?
This should be chalked down to Bad Behavior and maybe unhealthy decisions that warrant correction .
BAD BEHAVIOR: (Idolatry, lust, compulsiveness, vice, sloth, deceit, covetous, minor theft, envy, unprotected and formication sex, adultery, anger; etc etc.)
SIN: (Homicide, rape, violence, Pedophelia, Human trafficking, slavery, incest, Animal torture, child molestation, bullying, oppression, physical abuse, false witness (directed to any human and or situation were you directly benefit upon the disturbance of others.).
I guess God forgot a bunch of other sins when he spoke to Moses and created the laws. Which was to stone your children if disobedient and marry a woman if thou art rapeth her. Yeah God of the Bible is confusing; truth leaves no room for inconsistencies.
Fear is referencing reverence, respect. Also knowing what could happen to you if you challenge the Most High that created you.
He formed you in your mother's womb. He knows how many hairs you have on your head. He loves you and lets you have free will to choose Him.
He is all knowing and loving and died for your sins. His mercy and grace are unending to those who put their trust in Him.
But beware, if you cross him, or make any of His children stumble. It would be better that you were never born.
Judgement and wrath are saved for the wicked that raise their fist at Him. Can you defeat the Creator of the Heaven and Earth? I think not. Your mouth is very big and boastful and is no challenge for The Almighty.
@@Susieq26754 Go research the etymology of fear in it's entirety then come back and tell me what u found.
The best, description👌👌🎯 I have read in quite awhile, regarding institutionalized religion, in particular, ie.Churchianity.
The best description 👌👌🎯🎯 I have read in quite awhile regarding Organized religion, in particular, Churchianity, it's bigotry and rather obscure Origins.
I find it funny how someone that Studied Philosophy at Southern Evangelical Seminary and is not a Historian with a PHD from A Evangelical Church is trying to Debunk Mithra .To bad history books disagree with him . Real unbiased opinion he would have? This is a joke I think I will read my history books 😂.People if you read history and not just listen to a pastor trying to defend his religion you will understand. Why he is doing this ,but he is outside of his field,in other words he is Not no expert.😂
Actually, philosophy was my second degree. I also have a master’s in classical archaeology, so Greco-Roman religion is in my field. History books can be wrong, that’s why I’m not just making assertions. I’m going through the ancient sources. And I don’t know what you mean by debunking Mithra. I’m giving the historical context, and debunking the erroneous idea that Christianity owes any debt to the Mithraic cult. And among modern scholars many have departed from the Cumont hypothesis.
@@JesusChristIsLord.PraiseGOD. Thanks for your support in the effort.
Mithra was many many years before christianity in west of persia
Yup. I said that.
Christianity was established by the Roman Empire!!
Not really. Overly simplistic generalization.
@@allandidonatoYet a generalization that is quite literally true with some great irony. If Constantine chose differently, you could be talking instead about how Mithra or Sol invictus doesn't "owe any debt" to Christianity.
What about the cult of Isis?
Or the God Diana?
The cult of Isis was another mystery cult popular at the time. Apuleius gives us a glimpse of it in his Metamorphosis. And I assume by Diana you are referring to the Ephesian worship of Artemis, and it wasn’t a model for the NT picture of Jesus in any way.
@35:00, the seven ancient roles in primitive christian church ie porter acolyte exorcist etc are all roles of the CLERGY therefore declaring that there was no clergy in roman mithraism is vapid
Those are not known roles in the early church. The NT church didn’t have clergy in the late sense. They were roles, like bishop and deacon. But the seven grades I mention in Mithraism are not roles but level of initiation closer to what you find in the Masonic lodge. They did not have priests.
This guy smacks his lips a lot.
because it relates to the sun god Ra, not Persia but Egypt. Also, Persians created cults to destroy their enemies from the inside out. Let that sink in there.
Mithra was Mitra was first introduced in rig veda Hinduism god Mitra he is one god in 33 god of Hinduism he was sun god day sun god like he said typical sun god Mitra means companion
Mitra varuna Indra were most important gods and even in avesta Persian religon mithra was second must important god after ahura mazda the wise one and roman also influenced by mithra really every most of important things have connection with India or happened in India
Yup. Just as I said in the video.
Nice joke 😂😂😂
Where did you find evidence of mithraists using taurobolium?
Yeah, that’s a great question. There isn’t much evidence for participation in taurobolia among practitioners of the Mithraic cult, which is why I say in my book that it seems to be a rare occurrence. The suggestion that the practice was adopted in the later development of the cult has been made by a few modern scholars, and has been rejected by others (Rutter, in “The Three Phases of the Taurobolium” 1968). Speculation seems to stem from the obvious link to the bull slaying represented in the tauroctony, and perhaps the Mithraeum at Ostia’s proximity to the sanctuary of Cybele. It does have some support however minimal. The 4th century tauroboliate, Sextilius Agesilaus Aedesius, seems to have undertaken the ritual with several other individuals, including a “priest of Mithra” (which designation itself runs counter to the general lack of a sacerdotal rank within the cult). This is attested in an inscription recorded in Rendiconti della Pont. Accad. romana di archeologia XLII. Of course, we could question if this specific taurobolium was Mithraic, or simply a rite in which a Mithraic initiate happened to participate (since none of these mysteries demand exclusive adherence). Vermaseren also cites the inscription in Corpus Cultus Cybelae Attidisque III.
Mithra were median(magi)(kurdish) religion
Which is Roman follow the mithra at that time
As soon as persia start war against Roman they change the mithraism to Christianity
@@allandidonato at 9:10 on the temple you can see Ardshier next to "Ahora mazda " and "mithra" that mean the pars and meed God
Which Ahora mazda were pars religion and mithra were median religion
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This was very informative, thanks
Glad you liked it. I just wanted to let you know that I just published an entire book elaborating on the topic, and you can find it via the link I placed in the description above.
The Saturnalia is on December 25th. It is also the birth of Sol Invictus, a god that Constantine was very fond of, a sun god.
Mithra were median(kurdish) religion
Which is Roman follow the mithra at that time
As soon as persia start war against Roman they change the mithraism to Christianity
Why is all this stated like fact but with no evidence to back it up.
And why wssnt a distinction made between Mithras and Mithra?
I did talk about Mithra, and Mitra, and Mithras (Roman version). And the whole talk was critiquing the evidence we have in texts and archaeology. Did you watch the video?
@@allandidonato yes sorry I was supposed to delete that comment.
The opening screen about all the similarities between Mithraism and Christianity set me off lol
@@5ubjugatorWell I did pick a title that would give a certain impression going in 😂
So Christianity was infacy greatly influenced by Mithraism. (But it'd the original Persian Mithraism that influenced Christianity not the Roman one)
Myth RA
The first monotheistic religion arose in Egypt. The supreme god celebrated in Egypt is RA. Church sources claim that its founder is a certain Amenophis.
All religions tie their deities to heaven. In connection with this, holidays are always associated with certain dates of the year. The first calendar of 365 days officially originates in Egypt. All festivals are actually related to the position of the sun in the sky in the annual cycle of twelve months. Trying to find some connection between Mithraism and Rome or Greece, as well as the connection of Christianity with what preceded it, you encounter a paradox in referring to Roman and Greek sources. The basis of the paradox lies in the fact that Julius Caesar was the first arsonist and destroyer of the Alexandrian library. Is there any sense in the historical statements and claims that Alexander the Great was Greek and that the second great burning of the Alexandrian library was led by the Alexandrian patriarch Theophilos? The root of the Christian religion rests on the idea of erasing history and creating a new truth. This intention was established at the first ecumenical council in Nicaea, where it was established that God created the world on September 1, 5508. Christianity officially stands on the point of view that the world was created two thousand years ago and that everything that was ever conceived came from Rome and Greece. This nonsense is ignored by all "honest" interpreters. Does historical science know which finds on today's European soil have a calendar that measures the time before the beginning of Christianity?
The 5500 time frame was based on earlier Jewish calculations and was found in earlier sources like Julius Africanus. Anyway, I don’t know what the point of that was. That’s just what people believed, not some weird conspiracy. Julius Caesar didn’t burn the Museon intentionally, and we don’t have any evidence for the Patriarch doing any such thing. The first attempt at monotheism according to many is actually Akhenaton or Amenhotep IV. Aton was a form of Ra ultimately, but not all gods were placed in heaven. Many occupy other locations, like Enki in the Abzu. And not all religious festivals were tied to the sun. In Roman religion they recognized the solstices and equinoxes but they had little influence on actual Roman festival calendars.
Official historiography says that the Jews in the period you are talking about did not have numbers but letters. how do you think they calculated the calendar? Apart from this, if you refer to the official factography of the data on the age of creation of certain calendars, things will be much clearer.@@allandidonato
I should have known what kind of talk this was going to be when the meaning of salvation was totally changed in order that it may include the old testament. Not good and 100% biased talk. Very deceptive. That’s fine though. Anyone wanting to find the truth will do so with or without this. Regardless, have a very good day💛
Not sure what you mean by changing the definition of salvation. I’m using a very generic understanding of the term since discussion of savior figures in myth generally don’t make distinctions.
I'll save you all some time. He basically says, JESUS GOOD PAGUNS BAAD.
is that all you got from this.. nothing about the historical information. are you programmed to turn things off if someone happens to make any reference to respecting or being christian lol. do you do the same thing if someone mentions bhudda
I didn't notice him saying that
No new info.
You need to check out the christian dilemma's on UFOTV !!!!
Good information
Mithra later were the arrians,
Happy Yalda Night 😈
HELLAS, GREECE, ELLAS .. GOOGLE type in: EL meaning in ancient greek.
Meaning:deity or god; sunray. El is a gender-neutral name with Hebrew and Greek origins that packs plenty of meaning in the two letters it holds. In the Semitic language, El means “deity” or “god,” and is a unique choice if you want to teach baby that there's more to life than the physical world.
Google :Las meaning in ancient greek .
The name of Las signified the rock on which it originally stood. It is mentioned by Homer in the Catalogue of Ships in the Iliad, and is said to have been destroyed by the Dioscuri, who hence derived the surname of Lapersae.
Rock of Sun(-ray). Land of Light
thank you for this vid!!!! :)
Blown away, you have your stuff together. None of that tiresome Christian denial that it didn’t exist before Pompey sent Cilician pirates, worshippers of Mithras, to Brutium (Italy). You don’t seem to have a reference to Atys, who was crucified upside down, as an earlier incarnation of Mithras. Totally outstanding!
Mihr միհր : Միհր ։ Մեր Հայր ։ Mihr Our Father.
It can be Armenian in origin.
He? We still name our girl mithra after her why you say he?
Because at that time the name was used for a male deity.
@@allandidonato as a middleeastern(i dont want to mention the name of the country i dont feel safe to name it) it is so add to me because as long as we have written hystori we name our girl mithra but we never have no evidence to show that ever somebody named a boy mithra, the name is that such femenin and soft and symbol of femininity inside which makes it nearly imposible to name a boy mithra and now when i see "he" befor her name it is extremely odd to me
@@km-sn5ui I have no intention to offend. And I am sorry you are hurt by what I have said. I am really just working with the sources I have in front of me. The Rig Veda links Mitra and Varuna, and Mithra is called “Lord” of wide pastures in the earliest texts, long before the Romans borrowed Mithra. I have never come across anything describing Mithra as a female deity. Obviously, if this is a tradition you inherited it must have some precedent. And interestingly, your faith would vindicate the Greek historian Herodotus who most accused of ignorance when he says Mithra is a goddess.
@@allandidonato let me tell you a theory we have but it is a theory we studied mithra and we thibk this goddes was actuly a real women in the era that death rate among new born were extremly hight so womens and their fertility was so important and a women with a lot of child could somtime get to huge amounth of respect and power we think she has rout in that time but any way as i said in my culture we never call a men mithra it is ofensive like call men Sara !!! She is the goddess of sun in my culture we cal sun Lasy Sun and there is a lot of song little kid sing in pre school about Lady Sun and also water in my culture consider femenin and also earch consider mother earth like other cultures and it seems when Azortastian came to power they start to reduce mithra and change her sexuality becuse that era of high death was over and civilization was growing fast and there were no fertility problem so half of people who were worshipe her they shift to Ahura Mazda and she reduce to a male god , so as you see when you raised with this much evidence when you sang for Lady Sun all your pre school and childhood , it is hard to see a he beside her name
@@km-sn5ui that is fascinating. Thank you for sharing your faith and experience. Coming at the topic from an academic perspective, it is always good to learn of other traditions and theories. I was completely unaware that Mithra continues to have worshippers to this day.
Excellent representation. A really spectacular introduction into this controversy that constantly shadows Christianity. Surprisingly, author, although reality is depicted more than obviously, still takes apologetic stand towards Christianity. Which, with all due respect to it’s followers, it is nothing but production of centuries of controversies and allegations and conjectures that were gathered eventually by Roman emperors, beginning with Constantin the great, later continued by his followers. Including mother of Constantin( church of holly sepulchre, crucifixion cross, etc.)
Political influence of uniqueness of religions made an empire stronger than ever. And by the way, hello( glowing sun shining image over had of Jesus and all saint’s was taken from who???) Etc.,etc.,…
Only dumb, deff and blind can not recognise undeniable, more than obvious facts where the image of Christianity as we know comes from. In contrary, first followers of Jesus Christ never claimed new religion whatsoever. They were known as a Jewish sect, very pious, Orthodox Jews. That differ from their Jewish brothers by following Jesus. While majority rejects Jesus. Brother of Jesus, James the just, as a first leader of church of Jerusalem, didn’t vindicated Jesus. Nor his disciples nor first followers. Unfortunately, this group never had chance to succeed.
In the end, primary principal in ministry of Jesus, ( true historical Jesus, not his image made by Roman empire), followed by his disciples was that he never claimed divinity. Contrary, he insisted in continuation of previous prophets, judges and messengers with observing and following the Law of Moses. As simple as that. Which is, obviously more than obviously, the fact and universal truth of Jesus Christ. From words of himself. Undeniably. No matter how much effort someone can invest to prove opposite, can not succeed. And exactly because of ALL of those historical evidences. Which some of them we just witnessed. And there is a lot, lot more. Before we even reach to the Gospel. That’s why I am surprised when author, beside evidences he provided, he still defending this same falsely created image of Jesus Christ. Image throughout the spectrum of idolatry ( number one- death and resurrection, ….) No need to continue.
mitraism is a Greeko persian religion originating from Hindu vedic scriptures.
𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑘 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦 𝑚𝑢𝑐ℎ 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑣𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑜, 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑑𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑚𝑜𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑛 𝑚𝑜𝑛𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑐 𝑚𝑦𝑡ℎ𝑠 .. ( 𝑎𝑡 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡'𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝐼 𝑡𝑜𝑜𝑘 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑖𝑡, 𝑎𝑙𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑔ℎ 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑔𝑒 𝑚𝑎𝑦 𝑣𝑎𝑟𝑦 )
Is this fellow another Christian hoaxer?
Not Persian cap, Phrygian. Loved the smurf!
Don’t find Nero questionable. Also look for Claudius doing human sacrifice to Mithras.
Virgin birth is Atys, the celibate priest who breaks his vows with a dryad. He is whipped, crucified, and resurrects as Mithras.
Re-examine Cilician pirates. Also Ovid makes reference to emasculation of Atys, which is an incarnation of Mithras. So Mithras is around in the form of Atys. Do look at sun crown Atys statue wears at Ostia.
"Phrygian cap" was the wrong name IT IS iranian hat of the nomadic era you can find it in the alexander's sarcophagus sculptures.
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IT IS NOT GODLY AND THEY ARE NOT GODLY
If they are not according to the covenant of God Yehovah. The covenant of God Yehovah is the covenant of truth and is everlasting.
If they are not according to the word of God Yehovah. The word of God Yehovah is truth
If they are not according to the law of God Yehovah. The law of God Yehovah is truth
If they are not according to the commandments of God Yehovah. The commandments of God Yehovah are truth
If they are not according to the ordinances of God Yehovah. The ordinances of God Yehovah are truth.
If they are not according to the testimony of God Yehovah. The testimony of God Yehovah is true, sure and trustful.
If they are not according to the spirit of God Yehovah. The spirit of God Yehovah is the spirit of truth (word, law, and testimony of God Yehovah)
If they are not according to the prophets of God Yehovah. The prophets of God Yehovah are the prophets of truth (word, law, and testimony of God Yehovah)
If they are not according to what God Yehovah has spoken. Yehobah is the true God. Yehovah is the God of truth.
It is not of the Lord God Yehovah.
They are not of the Lord God Yehovah.
It is not Godly.
They are not Godly
It does not matter what it is or who.
Leviticus 18:1-3,24-25,30 ASV
And Jehovah spake unto Moses, saying, [2] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am Jehovah your God. [3] After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do; neither shall ye walk in their statutes. [24] Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out from before you; [25] and the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land vomiteth out her inhabitants. [30] Therefore shall ye keep my charge, that ye practise not any of these abominable customs, which were practised before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am Jehovah your God.
Deuteronomy 12:2-4,8,29-32 ASV
Ye shall surely destroy all the places wherein the nations that ye shall dispossess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: [3] and ye shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and burn their Asherim with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods; and ye shall destroy their name out of that place. [4] Ye shall not do so unto Jehovah your God. [8] Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes; [29] When Jehovah thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest in to dispossess them, and thou dispossessest them, and dwellest in their land; [30] take heed to thyself that thou be not ensnared to follow them, after that they are destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How do these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. [31] Thou shalt not do so unto Jehovah thy God: for every abomination to Jehovah, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters do they burn in the fire to their gods. [32] What thing soever I command you, that shall ye observe to do: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Jeremiah 23:18,35-37 ASV
For who hath stood in the council of Jehovah, that he should perceive and hear his word? who hath marked my word, and heard it? [35] Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbor, and every one to his brother, What hath Jehovah answered? and, What hath Jehovah spoken? [36] And the burden of Jehovah shall ye mention no more: for every man's own word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of Jehovah of hosts our God. [37] Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath Jehovah answered thee? and, What hath Jehovah spoken?
Deuteronomy 13:1-5 ASV
If there arise in the midst of thee a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and he give thee a sign or a wonder, [2] and the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; [3] thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or unto that dreamer of dreams: for Jehovah your God proveth you, to know whether ye love Jehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul. [4] Ye shall walk after Jehovah your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. [5] And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death, because he hath spoken rebellion against Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of bondage, to draw thee aside out of the way which Jehovah thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put away the evil from the midst of thee.
Deuteronomy 18:20-22 ASV
But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. [21] And if thou say in thy heart, How shall we know the word which Jehovah hath not spoken? [22] when a prophet speaketh in the name of Jehovah, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which Jehovah hath not spoken: the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Psalm 4:3-5 ASV
But know that Jehovah hath set apart for himself him that is godly: Jehovah will hear when I call unto him. [4] Stand in awe, and sin not: Commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still. Selah [5] Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, And put your trust in Jehovah.
Psalm 119:9,11 ASV
Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word. [11] Thy word have I laid up in my heart, That I might not sin against thee.
Psalm 40:8 ASV
I delight to do thy will, O my God; Yea, thy law is within my heart.
Scandalous untruths.
Thanks for your critique.
Allen Christianity didnt originate from Mithraic mystery schools but rather the original religion of Christianity was corrupted by pegans after its origination. Mostly thia took place in the 4th cebtury. Its common knowledge at this point or should be
I never said it originated from the Mithraic mysteries. You didn’t watch the lecture did you?
@@allandidonato the title of the video is "Mithraic Origins of Christianity"
@@allandidonato no I didn't watch the lecture. Are you a theologian?
@@andrewclemons8619 I did title the talk “Mithraic Origins of Christianity” but the entire talk was a critique of those claims. My book has the added subtitle “questioning the Mithras-Christ connection”. No I’m not a theologian. My training is in Classical archaeology and philosophy, but I am a Christian and the talk was originally presented at an apologetics conference.
@@allandidonatoA Christian at an apologetics conference...Ok, the video makes sense now, lol.
A presentation without providing the actual sources is just noise
A comment that ignores all the actual sources is just dishonest.
This has been debunked pretty thoroughly by random youtubers.
We’re all doing our part.
i just cant stop laughing at how many people bought into these new age ideologies without actually doing the research for them selves to easy understand how funny ideas are created :) there is actually Mitra and Mithra and they are separate deities . One we know all about the other nobody in the world knows anything about even though many videos similar like this will claim how hey know something :) also the funny ideas about similar stories like Christianity is nothing but a good hoax :) do your research people.. do not let others fool you
Exactly
Yeah I’m gonna listen to Jesus , not you.
Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.😢
It is just a fact that christianism is copied letter by letter from mithra
@@iyadalbouni1894 perhaps Roman Catholicism is but I wouldn't consider that religion as being christian
Did you watch the whole video?
@@iyadalbouni1894 letter by letter, when we barely have anything on the cult.
@@iyadalbouni1894 just for starters, Mithra was born of a rock... At least get the origin well distinguished. It is also a union of 2 gods, Solar Invictus with Mithra. No apostles.
Roman Catholicism is not Christianity. Read the King James Bible. Catholicism is nowhere near biblical Christianity. That's why Martin Luther started the protest. The catholic church wasn't following the scriptures. They were following mithraic practices and just renamed the holidays.
That bible has its origins in Catholicism... And you can't tell Japanese to read that version because they gotta learn English to do so. Or Portuguese, or dutch. That's a flawed approach.
@@ClulssCrs3310 The scriptures were written down long before the mithra worshipping pagans decided to become Christian. Learn some history.