Hey all, the Dark (once again not Dark and Darker) discord had some non-English speakers join in who may not entirely understand the situation and still be out of the loop since all of the most recent updates to the status of the situation has only been available in English. I'm doing what I can to reach out to them to ensure they can get their refund processed correctly as the beta was not delivered but please help out if you can too. I'm not asking you to link this exact video or even mention me - I only ask that if you see someone inquiring to purchase a Dark beta "key" (or any scam really) in a language that you understand, do you part and inform them of the situation. I am also trying to reach out to streamer who held the undelivered beta key giveaway to get the entire story and transcripts of the month long conversation with the Dark dev so something like this can be avoided in the future. Whether they did this with malicious intention or not, I want to bring full transparency to everything that happened behind the curtains so situations like this can be approached more cautiously in the future. At best, this could be just a severe form of false advertising fueled by misdirection. Streamers, youtubers, and other forms of social media are quickly becoming a main pipeline for marketing instead of just a platform for art and creativity. There is a lot of reach when something is published online and I believe the content publisher should always do what they can to protect their audience. Edit 6/11/23: Got in touch with Poshy and they state they were fooled by the dev. I do believe them on this and really don't think he had any prior personal connection or any malicious intent. Just heavily misled from what the dev was communicating to them about the state the game truly was in and what was going to be featured.
Eyy, fancy seeing you here. I was in the server just before “release” and a bit after that, it went wild, a lot of people were rightfully mad. Some supporters have defended the dev which just boggles my mind, these supporters were only there one day and they’ve quickly become so overzealous. In my opinion, any supporter that donated cash that doesn’t see this as a scam is an enabler.
I remember when a few people jumped in the VC with the dev asking for a quick gameplay stream and he flashed his Unity file directory for a quick second then turned off the stream. I really felt the time bomb ticking down from that moment haha
I’m about a year into development now with far more features than even dark and darker and I haven’t even thought about showing off my project yet… not sure what some of these “devs” are thinking honestly
I been tinkering with unreal engine for a year or so. Until someone shows working mechanics, especially for a multiplayer game, it could be done by a hobbist. That the beauty of it, its accesable to everybody, but with that comes volumes of unplayable "games". tinkering and building mechanics is one thing, bringing a game to market is another.
I rarely comment on RUclips videos, and I will apologize in advance if I do sound too angry, but in all honesty this is just sad at best and just depressing at worst. Seeing someone getting not only recognition but even money (from the number of patreons and tiers I'm assuming around the 500 USD mark), from ZERO progress (that 8 seconds video doesn't even count as gameplay), while I (and others) have been working our asses off for the past few years developing a game and getting zero recognition in return is just depressing...
Your anger is completely valid - the dev of Dark misled and fabricated the progress of their "game" to essentially collect money off of players looking for Dark and Darker inspired gameplay. They instead got nothing and the collective image of independent videogame development was harmed. I hope your game succeeds in everyway possible and your hard work is rightfully recognized!
a good game takes at least 6 months to 1 year or more to make.. no shot you can make a triple AAA title in a few months. the images were promising, but no video gameplay & the lack of experience with not only social media but the administration team was telling. i had hopes, but once again my hopes were let down.
I feel you on that one. When I first heard they were only working on it for 3 months and planned to release after just a month in beta I immediately pulled back my excitement
What an absolute moronic way to scam. The fact that scammed Poshypop is sad because I like his videos. It's pretty stupid to get scammed by a paid beta access for something with no info, but almost more stupid to set up this scam with your irl name and socials on a platform that has refunds while advertising on discord of all places. That guy is going to get roasted so hard for eternity, like you said doxxing followed etc. Maybe he scammed a hundred bucks or so from people who threw him some money and then forgot about it, sure hope it was worth it.
Yeah it’s super unfortunate about poshypop. The 9 discord asked him to take the title from his name so they didn they didn’t get a bad rep. He was super excited to get a chance to get a chance to play it, I hope his channel and stream doesn’t fall because of this :(
@@neverlearns9026 It's really hard for me to imagine Pushypop actually being in on the scam. I think he's just a bit dumb and got overly excited, everyone has their moments. He posted a full breakdown and apology video and owned up for what he exposes his audience to, lesson learned. He seems like a really genuine person capable of self reflection, if not a little autistic lol.
i played starsiege deadzone playtest with friends and it was fun too (btw next playtest starts 19 june with steam next festival if anyone wants to try out the game)
he wasn't doxxed by the way his personal information was everywhere online publicly using his real name and pictures then suddenly started wiping his profiles I mean who falls for this? the second you join a discord that has more interest in its patreon than showing off the gameplay? then he just gave patreons mod priviledges who didn't like anyone being honest with them and started timing people out despite other patreons being far more toxic in the discord from what I was reading, the lack of game footage itself was the biggest red flag when a patreon was already up also anyone wondering why poshys vod is gone for most of that stream he showed porn on stream panicked and had to end stream quickly delete the vod and start again I'm surprised his channel is still up because vods stay on the twitch servers
that's good to hear that they are doing the right thing! I know a few people are still pretty upset about it and I don't blame them for that. I think if they dev was truthful about the state of the game and didn't advertise it as something it wasn't then this would have turned out as a different story, hopefully the other DaD inspired games take a different approach!
Eh, flood the market with dark and darker copies all they want, dark and darker fans aren't leaving. We will hold the line. However, if there are copies made it may actually help IRONMACE prove their point that you can't copyright a genre. 😂
he offered him free keys and free promotion and he took the bait hook line and sinker and now has to face the consquences of putting viewership desperation of common sense
Hi there Ryan! At 6:58 you told us to plug ourselves if we have a project. I'm not sure if you would be interested but my team is making an indie MMORPG called Realm of Simplicity :)
this if anyone wondered where the vod went he deleted it as fast as he could to remove evidence of it but twitch still have that vod to check if its reported to them
Man i knew this was a scam from the second i saw them talk about this on the darkest hour. I put a comment, but you just can't reach people as an average consumer lol.
The collective voice of the consumer will always eventually be heard, I'll do my best to represent everyone the best I can as this channel grows. Thank you for calling it out as a scam from the start even if the comment went by
Let's be honest, poshy is the kid making all those 9 videos, he's an absolute loon, no one shouldve took his word for anything. I know they are just memes but he is definitely nuts.
And you’re sane? You’re spewing some weird ego everywhere while trying to accuse and insult someone making content for fun on the internet. How pathetic
Thank you Rextillian, I haven't taken an ancestry test yet but I always felt part reptile. The sound effects in your head movement vid are my favorite btw haha!
Throwing so much blame on the streamer here is so dumb IMO. In your video you mention that he directs people to the Patreon if they’re unable to obtain a key, despite the fact that multiple times he advises AGAINST it because he thinks himself it’s silly to pay for a game you haven’t seen. Not to mention he showed his and Julien’s dms throughout the entire stream and expresses his own skepticism. Everyone here is negating the fact that this streamer himself was manipulated. They have mentioned themselves that they have Autism multiple times. You know autistic people struggle with? Detecting when they are actively being lied to and manipulated. To some people sure it seems silly or dumb to have fallen for screenshots and one video. But if you take five seconds to understand not everyone is wired the same way, it makes sense why people were more optimistic and hopeful. Sure, as a content creator he has a degree of responsibility on what he puts out there. But for everyone jumping on the mob mentality and bashing on someone who started making content ~2-3 months ago is pathetic. To treat any of the hopeful content creators like they were in on it or trying to get their own gain is such a juvenile thought process. Anyone who promoted it was just excited and hopeful because nobody knows what’s happening with DaD. At the end of the day all the blame should be placed on Julien. He is the one who falsely advertised, he’s the one who spoon fed hope to the fans and content creators alike, and he’s the one we should all really be mad at. The reality is, everyone will get their money back and this will be forgotten about in two weeks. Anyone whose going to hold a grudge against the people who donated, supported the project, or made hopeful content on it are emotionally stunted.
silly to pay for a game yet but is willing to promote the game and repeat how well he knows the developer as if to build some trust for the project with viewers but really the kid wanted views and wouldn't just admit that he was benefiting from promoting it, worse part is he promised giveaways hourly for the entire day to extend the length of time people might watch while not actually even having the keys in hand and any streamer knows you just don't do that
@@mkits7350 i had the times of each giveaway and each drawing in the top right of the screen no one had to continue watching only tune in when the draws/giveaways were occuring
@@mkits7350 how was he benefiting from promoting it exactly? He accumulated what 5 subscriptions that entire stream? Ads weren’t running so it’s not like he was making some crazy ad revenue either. He never asked anyone to follow or subscribe nor told people to stick around. He explained the entire time that he wanted to space the drops out so there were opportunities throughout the day. It’s not his fault if you were dumb enough to sit there like an npc. You’re also grossly over analyzing how much he was hyping him and the dev’s relationship up. Again, he showed their entire conversation continuously. Everyone can agree that all sides have room for improvement. But you don’t get to give your warped interpretation of what happened as literal fact. He’s still streaming despite the viewer rate greatly dropping, and guess what? He acts exactly the same. Stop acting like a literal hive mind and use that brain you were born with, the worlds a lot better when you stop viewing it in black and white kid.
I’ve been working on a game very similar to DaD, but also better imo. I have more content than DaD except they have more environmental assets and maps currently. I just have 1 dungeon and an arena right now, but I have way more enemies and armors and weapons, but I was gonna wait until it’s polished to release any videos or information about it. The beta will be completely free and the whole game will most likely be free as well! I have ranged combat and magic combat on top of melee combat and enemy ai that also can use ranged magic or melee! I have quests, vendors, looting, inventory, and so much more done already. We have custom made assets just for the project mixed in with store bought assets, and I continue to amass more of both. I’m working solo at the moment, but have been in talks with similar developers to team up and will happily take whatever help I can! The main thing I’m working on now is the multiplayer lobby and character creation/select menus! Hopefully I make some good progress so I can show off videos soon, but I have to get more used to sequencer too! I’m curious though do people like the speed of dark and darkers movement and combat? If you would increase the pace of either, how much faster would you make it? And for anyone thinking “well if you want to be like DaD do what they do” I’m not looking to clone DaD, I’m trying to make something unique and in my own opinion, better!
@@luisen954 Thank you for the interest it means a lot!! I’ll be sure to pop back in and let you know when I have something visual to share, hopefully soon!
Better than DaD? also did you just say more content then say you only have 1 dungeon and an arena? you currently continue to assmas more of both types of assets, you realise that just means hey im buying more assets as we speak why would think that would be a selling point when anyone can do that? not to mention dad was unique now you're making out like you'll be better by being unique? if you have faith in your game already having surpassed DaD you would be promoting it and would have mentioned the name of it, I've never read so much egotisitcally driven shit in all my life
Hey all, the Dark (once again not Dark and Darker) discord had some non-English speakers join in who may not entirely understand the situation and still be out of the loop since all of the most recent updates to the status of the situation has only been available in English. I'm doing what I can to reach out to them to ensure they can get their refund processed correctly as the beta was not delivered but please help out if you can too. I'm not asking you to link this exact video or even mention me - I only ask that if you see someone inquiring to purchase a Dark beta "key" (or any scam really) in a language that you understand, do you part and inform them of the situation.
I am also trying to reach out to streamer who held the undelivered beta key giveaway to get the entire story and transcripts of the month long conversation with the Dark dev so something like this can be avoided in the future. Whether they did this with malicious intention or not, I want to bring full transparency to everything that happened behind the curtains so situations like this can be approached more cautiously in the future. At best, this could be just a severe form of false advertising fueled by misdirection. Streamers, youtubers, and other forms of social media are quickly becoming a main pipeline for marketing instead of just a platform for art and creativity. There is a lot of reach when something is published online and I believe the content publisher should always do what they can to protect their audience.
Edit 6/11/23: Got in touch with Poshy and they state they were fooled by the dev. I do believe them on this and really don't think he had any prior personal connection or any malicious intent. Just heavily misled from what the dev was communicating to them about the state the game truly was in and what was going to be featured.
I watched this all unfold... what a gongshow! Nice summary of all the events, it just kept going from bad to worse.
Eyy, fancy seeing you here.
I was in the server just before “release” and a bit after that, it went wild, a lot of people were rightfully mad. Some supporters have defended the dev which just boggles my mind, these supporters were only there one day and they’ve quickly become so overzealous. In my opinion, any supporter that donated cash that doesn’t see this as a scam is an enabler.
I remember when a few people jumped in the VC with the dev asking for a quick gameplay stream and he flashed his Unity file directory for a quick second then turned off the stream. I really felt the time bomb ticking down from that moment haha
For anyone who missed the panic in that discord server I'm sorry for you you miss something really funny.
I’m about a year into development now with far more features than even dark and darker and I haven’t even thought about showing off my project yet… not sure what some of these “devs” are thinking honestly
show it off, maybe you can get some support. whats the worst that will happen
anyone who thought it would be anywhere near legit is just sub-zero iq, no gameplay trailers and paid beta? like be real
ye fr lol
just chilling watching the video and 6:21 WHY IS NINOX CLAIMING IM RESPONSIBLE FOR DARK AND DARKER LAWSUIT??????!!!!!!
9th was so eventful this time, but still no DaD, atleast it was entertaining.
Not all heroes wear capes
I been tinkering with unreal engine for a year or so. Until someone shows working mechanics, especially for a multiplayer game, it could be done by a hobbist. That the beauty of it, its accesable to everybody, but with that comes volumes of unplayable "games". tinkering and building mechanics is one thing, bringing a game to market is another.
I rarely comment on RUclips videos, and I will apologize in advance if I do sound too angry, but in all honesty this is just sad at best and just depressing at worst. Seeing someone getting not only recognition but even money (from the number of patreons and tiers I'm assuming around the 500 USD mark), from ZERO progress (that 8 seconds video doesn't even count as gameplay), while I (and others) have been working our asses off for the past few years developing a game and getting zero recognition in return is just depressing...
Your anger is completely valid - the dev of Dark misled and fabricated the progress of their "game" to essentially collect money off of players looking for Dark and Darker inspired gameplay. They instead got nothing and the collective image of independent videogame development was harmed. I hope your game succeeds in everyway possible and your hard work is rightfully recognized!
a good game takes at least 6 months to 1 year or more to make..
no shot you can make a triple AAA title in a few months.
the images were promising, but no video gameplay & the lack of experience with not only social media but the administration team was telling.
i had hopes, but once again my hopes were let down.
I feel you on that one. When I first heard they were only working on it for 3 months and planned to release after just a month in beta I immediately pulled back my excitement
What an absolute moronic way to scam. The fact that scammed Poshypop is sad because I like his videos. It's pretty stupid to get scammed by a paid beta access for something with no info, but almost more stupid to set up this scam with your irl name and socials on a platform that has refunds while advertising on discord of all places. That guy is going to get roasted so hard for eternity, like you said doxxing followed etc.
Maybe he scammed a hundred bucks or so from people who threw him some money and then forgot about it, sure hope it was worth it.
Yeah it’s super unfortunate about poshypop. The 9 discord asked him to take the title from his name so they didn they didn’t get a bad rep. He was super excited to get a chance to get a chance to play it, I hope his channel and stream doesn’t fall because of this :(
@@neverlearns9026 It's really hard for me to imagine Pushypop actually being in on the scam. I think he's just a bit dumb and got overly excited, everyone has their moments. He posted a full breakdown and apology video and owned up for what he exposes his audience to, lesson learned. He seems like a really genuine person capable of self reflection, if not a little autistic lol.
@@Mekose good, autistic people are often better humans than allistic people.
i sat there in the DnD discord and saw some random account advertising for it and wa just telling everyone that shits a scam
I've been playing Mortal Online 2 while waiting for Dark and Darker. It's kept me satisfied.
It's been Mordhau for me - it's intimidating to get into MO2
i played starsiege deadzone playtest with friends and it was fun too (btw next playtest starts 19 june with steam next festival if anyone wants to try out the game)
im currently working on a game of my own👀
I played it today and its like a early alpha build of dark and darker
Its so similar idk how they would legally release it lol
HOLD THE LINE
Lol that’s sad 😢
You said to plug - I’m working on a project, would love it if you’d check it out. 😊
he wasn't doxxed by the way his personal information was everywhere online publicly using his real name and pictures then suddenly started wiping his profiles I mean who falls for this? the second you join a discord that has more interest in its patreon than showing off the gameplay? then he just gave patreons mod priviledges who didn't like anyone being honest with them and started timing people out despite other patreons being far more toxic in the discord from what I was reading, the lack of game footage itself was the biggest red flag when a patreon was already up also anyone wondering why poshys vod is gone for most of that stream he showed porn on stream panicked and had to end stream quickly delete the vod and start again I'm surprised his channel is still up because vods stay on the twitch servers
but is poshypop valid tho
what's the likelihood that ploshypop and julian are the same person
Woah you cracked the code and totally aren't crazy
Look at the steam page, looks so bad, why would you think this was gonna be good
Projekt crawl looks a bit better imo
That's the only Dark and Darker clone I got on my wishlist
Thanks for watching out!
I just want DnD
Whats funny is poshy still lies about the whole situation lol. Screw him, screw them both.
Poshy is a weird lookin dude, makes sense why he’s so shady
thanks for recording the stream i was wondering what happened
Just so you know, if you did back, if you ask for a refund julian will grant it.
that's good to hear that they are doing the right thing! I know a few people are still pretty upset about it and I don't blame them for that. I think if they dev was truthful about the state of the game and didn't advertise it as something it wasn't then this would have turned out as a different story, hopefully the other DaD inspired games take a different approach!
Eh, flood the market with dark and darker copies all they want, dark and darker fans aren't leaving. We will hold the line.
However, if there are copies made it may actually help IRONMACE prove their point that you can't copyright a genre. 😂
Julian probably offered Poshypop a cut of the $ for hyping up the non existent game
he offered him free keys and free promotion and he took the bait hook line and sinker and now has to face the consquences of putting viewership desperation of common sense
coming in clutch my boy apreciate it 🦾🦾🦾🦾
Hi there Ryan! At 6:58 you told us to plug ourselves if we have a project. I'm not sure if you would be interested but my team is making an indie MMORPG called Realm of Simplicity :)
Lmao I'm the RedDogeLive! Thanks for covering this scam 😂
Man this played out like a funny movie 😂
It was a wild time to say the least haha
Lol to be fair dark and darker is such a massive asset flip that a different company could easily come in and provide a better product
except they would ACTUALLY be stealing from a legit gaming company. which would put them under scrutiny.
@@anonmysger1241 ...what? Did that stop anybody from copying pubg?
great video you should of brought up poshy pulling up vag on stream lmao
this if anyone wondered where the vod went he deleted it as fast as he could to remove evidence of it but twitch still have that vod to check if its reported to them
thanks you for cover about this scam
and i hope you have a good weekend
Man i knew this was a scam from the second i saw them talk about this on the darkest hour. I put a comment, but you just can't reach people as an average consumer lol.
The collective voice of the consumer will always eventually be heard, I'll do my best to represent everyone the best I can as this channel grows. Thank you for calling it out as a scam from the start even if the comment went by
There is a larger clip of the gameplay on steam
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Yikes thats actually hilarious
Let's be honest, poshy is the kid making all those 9 videos, he's an absolute loon, no one shouldve took his word for anything. I know they are just memes but he is definitely nuts.
And you’re sane? You’re spewing some weird ego everywhere while trying to accuse and insult someone making content for fun on the internet. How pathetic
Good video Ryan.
Thank you Rextillian, I haven't taken an ancestry test yet but I always felt part reptile. The sound effects in your head movement vid are my favorite btw haha!
@@ryan6daysaweek I have extra 23 & me test kits if you wanna swab together.
lmao thanks for the support buddy!
Great vid as always friend
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Throwing so much blame on the streamer here is so dumb IMO. In your video you mention that he directs people to the Patreon if they’re unable to obtain a key, despite the fact that multiple times he advises AGAINST it because he thinks himself it’s silly to pay for a game you haven’t seen. Not to mention he showed his and Julien’s dms throughout the entire stream and expresses his own skepticism. Everyone here is negating the fact that this streamer himself was manipulated. They have mentioned themselves that they have Autism multiple times. You know autistic people struggle with? Detecting when they are actively being lied to and manipulated. To some people sure it seems silly or dumb to have fallen for screenshots and one video. But if you take five seconds to understand not everyone is wired the same way, it makes sense why people were more optimistic and hopeful.
Sure, as a content creator he has a degree of responsibility on what he puts out there. But for everyone jumping on the mob mentality and bashing on someone who started making content ~2-3 months ago is pathetic. To treat any of the hopeful content creators like they were in on it or trying to get their own gain is such a juvenile thought process. Anyone who promoted it was just excited and hopeful because nobody knows what’s happening with DaD. At the end of the day all the blame should be placed on Julien. He is the one who falsely advertised, he’s the one who spoon fed hope to the fans and content creators alike, and he’s the one we should all really be mad at. The reality is, everyone will get their money back and this will be forgotten about in two weeks. Anyone whose going to hold a grudge against the people who donated, supported the project, or made hopeful content on it are emotionally stunted.
silly to pay for a game yet but is willing to promote the game and repeat how well he knows the developer as if to build some trust for the project with viewers but really the kid wanted views and wouldn't just admit that he was benefiting from promoting it, worse part is he promised giveaways hourly for the entire day to extend the length of time people might watch while not actually even having the keys in hand and any streamer knows you just don't do that
@@mkits7350 i had the times of each giveaway and each drawing in the top right of the screen no one had to continue watching only tune in when the draws/giveaways were occuring
@@mkits7350 how was he benefiting from promoting it exactly? He accumulated what 5 subscriptions that entire stream? Ads weren’t running so it’s not like he was making some crazy ad revenue either. He never asked anyone to follow or subscribe nor told people to stick around. He explained the entire time that he wanted to space the drops out so there were opportunities throughout the day. It’s not his fault if you were dumb enough to sit there like an npc. You’re also grossly over analyzing how much he was hyping him and the dev’s relationship up. Again, he showed their entire conversation continuously.
Everyone can agree that all sides have room for improvement. But you don’t get to give your warped interpretation of what happened as literal fact. He’s still streaming despite the viewer rate greatly dropping, and guess what? He acts exactly the same. Stop acting like a literal hive mind and use that brain you were born with, the worlds a lot better when you stop viewing it in black and white kid.
I’ve been working on a game very similar to DaD, but also better imo. I have more content than DaD except they have more environmental assets and maps currently. I just have 1 dungeon and an arena right now, but I have way more enemies and armors and weapons, but I was gonna wait until it’s polished to release any videos or information about it. The beta will be completely free and the whole game will most likely be free as well! I have ranged combat and magic combat on top of melee combat and enemy ai that also can use ranged magic or melee! I have quests, vendors, looting, inventory, and so much more done already. We have custom made assets just for the project mixed in with store bought assets, and I continue to amass more of both. I’m working solo at the moment, but have been in talks with similar developers to team up and will happily take whatever help I can! The main thing I’m working on now is the multiplayer lobby and character creation/select menus! Hopefully I make some good progress so I can show off videos soon, but I have to get more used to sequencer too! I’m curious though do people like the speed of dark and darkers movement and combat? If you would increase the pace of either, how much faster would you make it? And for anyone thinking “well if you want to be like DaD do what they do” I’m not looking to clone DaD, I’m trying to make something unique and in my own opinion, better!
man let me know i wanna know mor about your game!!
@@luisen954 Thank you for the interest it means a lot!! I’ll be sure to pop back in and let you know when I have something visual to share, hopefully soon!
Better than DaD? also did you just say more content then say you only have 1 dungeon and an arena? you currently continue to assmas more of both types of assets, you realise that just means hey im buying more assets as we speak why would think that would be a selling point when anyone can do that? not to mention dad was unique now you're making out like you'll be better by being unique? if you have faith in your game already having surpassed DaD you would be promoting it and would have mentioned the name of it, I've never read so much egotisitcally driven shit in all my life
This is awesome to hear SWBFTOR, it's always great to have a dev in the community and I hope to hear more about your game soon!
Or steal one already made…