Allan Holdsworth - The Sixteen Men of Tain Lesson & Tutorial plus Solo Analysis

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  • Опубликовано: 18 янв 2025

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  • @StephenLeeBuller
    @StephenLeeBuller Месяц назад +1

    The best teacher in the business. Thank you for everything you do!

  • @snowfiresunwind
    @snowfiresunwind 5 лет назад +51

    The whole album is a complete masterpiece - a stunning achievement.

    • @Gregorypeckory
      @Gregorypeckory 4 года назад +2

      Agreed, and the same applies to everything Allan recorded!

    • @biorythmicshifter
      @biorythmicshifter 3 года назад +4

      One of the greatest albums I’ve ever heard…

    • @hughjohn8228
      @hughjohn8228 2 года назад

    • @ganazby
      @ganazby 2 года назад +2

      Agreed. I think it’s his best work.

  • @Fontsman
    @Fontsman 5 лет назад +20

    Allan's sheer genius was to take all of his incredible technique and improvisational vision and produce a dazzling musical statement.

  • @jamesneyt701
    @jamesneyt701 9 дней назад

    Thanks for being so resolute,your lessons are incredible.I have followed Mr Holdsworth since the Feels good to me album and was lucky enough to meet him at the jazz cafe in Camden and he sold me the forty reasons album, and he signed it for me,what a lovely man.James

  • @FededeDiosDrums
    @FededeDiosDrums 2 года назад +3

    You are not only underpraised for the content but on the fluidity on the video, no edits (or few) whatsoever and no mistakes playing, which is really really hard!

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  2 года назад +1

      Thanks a lot man. I try haha. I usually do the lessons off the top of my head so I have to memorize it just to make the editing easier. Again, thank you!

  • @digineet8421
    @digineet8421 2 года назад +3

    When I first heard Alan I knew he was next level. I tried to find an album to listen to as a way in to his music and metal fatigues wasn’t clicking for me. Someone suggested sixteen men of tain and I remember listening for the first time being completely blown away. I’ve been playing for 15 years and I had never heard anything like his phrasing. It really feels alien. I think only guitarists can understand quite how unconventional it is.
    Thanks for this channel. It’s a great way to pay respect and help others to appreciate his art. I’ll definitely be investing a lot of time into it.

  • @allancerf9038
    @allancerf9038 6 месяцев назад +1

    The whole LESSON is a stunning masterpiece. Thank you for your incredible thoughtfulness TurrigenousOfficial, in putting it together.

  • @Tylercorrell
    @Tylercorrell 5 лет назад +4

    My favorite album

  • @personanongrata1308
    @personanongrata1308 5 лет назад +5

    It's 3am in the UK and I Thoroughly enjoyed your breakdown at the end of a crappy week, your series goes some small way to filling the AH size hole left in the universe-thanks again.

  • @GaryBrunoTV
    @GaryBrunoTV 5 лет назад +8

    Thanks again for your contribution. It takes time to put all this together as we all know. You are greatly appreciated by many sir ! I am such an AH fan and really appreciate all your efforts.

  • @alexanderallegra432
    @alexanderallegra432 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for the knowledge! I never liked this song too much until I gave it a detailed listen, now one of my favorite songs by Allan. The solo intro is the darkest thing I’ve ever heard in jazz, true brilliance in the application in the whole tone scale.

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  2 года назад

      Thats great! Glad I could help. That happens to me pretty often too, where I gotta dig into a song a bit and then get it.

  • @aharchives
    @aharchives 5 лет назад +8

    An excellent video, John! So much great material. Worth every minute of watching.

  • @pranavphx
    @pranavphx 5 лет назад +17

    We don't mind long lessons :)

  • @lashadeisadze9581
    @lashadeisadze9581 Год назад +1

    you are the best! thank you so much for your work, wish you all the best!

  • @Bronco541
    @Bronco541 4 года назад +1

    thanks so much for doing this! This may be litterally the hardest music in the world to analyze and teach! This is one of my favorite of his songs.

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  4 года назад +1

      Hahah thanks! I didn't think it was so hard, as much as remembering some of these weird chords. Also there's so much transposition in Allan's material, it makes it a bit easier to remember. That's just me though.

  • @bassheadjazz2708
    @bassheadjazz2708 2 года назад +1

    That chart follow along was crazy. Can't imagine trying to read it when you're used to reading a standard real book chart

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  2 года назад

      Yeah! One of those things that Allan's chart made sense to him when he knew how long to hold the scale for. Trying to write it out with measures makes it even more difficult!

  • @marcogreco725
    @marcogreco725 5 лет назад +4

    thanks for the lesson man, allan inspire me every day, cheers from argentina!

  • @pranavphx
    @pranavphx 5 лет назад +2

    Yes!!! Thanks for doing the solo analysis again!!!!

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  5 лет назад +3

      Thanks! I dont think ill be doing this all the time but for this long solo section, I thought it was important.

  • @garysellars8914
    @garysellars8914 4 года назад +1

    Incredible video. A real eye opener about Allan's playing. Great stuff.

  • @azzaggax
    @azzaggax 3 года назад +1

    excellent work thanks for the detailed chord analysis, as usual. really helpful for anyone who wants to juggle Allan's music. ciao from Italy

  • @crystalc1ear
    @crystalc1ear 4 года назад

    Thanks for making this lesson. This is my favorite song of all time.

  • @Major7Sharp5
    @Major7Sharp5 Год назад

    Qué barbaridad! Es una moustrocidad. Qué estupendo trabajo, ayuda mas a entender la genialidad de Allan!

  • @pauljames2017
    @pauljames2017 5 лет назад +3

    Amazing stuff,thank you so much man

  • @thorr71
    @thorr71 2 года назад

    Awesome, as usual!! i prefer to handle the C# add#11 at the 11th fret of the 5th string with the lower note ( G# , then C# on 4th string, F on 3rd string and G on the 2nd string at 8th fret)...Thanx for helping me understand Allan's masterpieces

  • @jazzpianorocks
    @jazzpianorocks 4 года назад +1

    Really great job
    Thank you for saving me tons of work and I really appreciate you breaking down
    His chords are challenging on piano too but just amazing

  • @tomschweitzer7199
    @tomschweitzer7199 5 лет назад

    Thank you so much for another great analysis that you shared with us. The chord section for the solo is indeed utterly brilliant and yes, very reminiscent of the idea for the Giant Steps changes. I will definitely buy your book once it is available!

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  5 лет назад

      Thank you so much! I hope to get it out soon! Waiting for Allans family to move forward with it.

  • @crow3043
    @crow3043 Год назад

    thanks for the lesson. I have bought a guitar recently and was studying some chords and was looking for some "pratical" allan holdsworth song, and this one is perfect because it's got triads and 7's inversions and you explain crearly how can you see the chords, what is perfect for me how is looking for some vocabulary, even if allan uses it in a unique way!

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  Год назад +1

      Thank you! Yeah not ALL Allan is scary, some is 😁. Let me also suggest Leave Them On, Devil Take the Hindmost and Atavachron. Those are all pretty simple too 👍

    • @crow3043
      @crow3043 Год назад

      @@TurrigenousOfficial thank you so much for the recomendations, after play this chords well, I gonna to take a look into your lessons

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  Год назад

      Great, thanks! Enjoy and have fun 👍

  • @MikkelGrumBovin
    @MikkelGrumBovin 2 года назад

    Thanx for keeping this stunning music live alive 😎👍

  • @themotioncodemarc
    @themotioncodemarc 2 года назад

    This is a really good lesson of this song. Kudos man !

  • @RedRose4711
    @RedRose4711 2 года назад

    A great video, thank you.

  • @mattyouyou2590
    @mattyouyou2590 5 лет назад +1

    Thank you sooooooo much!

  • @EgoShredder
    @EgoShredder 5 лет назад +2

    This was FA♭ #1!

  • @bweeks8869
    @bweeks8869 5 лет назад +3

    I would love a lesson on City Nights. I can't get the last 27 notes before the final 2 chords at the end.

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  5 лет назад +5

      Thanks but that one is a Gary Husband tune. I only want to stick with AH tunes. Also I think the entire harmony of the song is on keyboards. Im sure someone has a lesson on the solo section. I try to shy away from that. Good luck but TBH if you want something done right, do it yourself! Thats what I try to do.

  • @AidanMmusic96
    @AidanMmusic96 5 лет назад +5

    I was really interested to learn how Allan counted this tune. I always heard it as a 4/4 measure (1, 2-and, 4), then an 11/4! Perhaps because I hear Gary N phrasing it that way.

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  5 лет назад +3

      Same result but seems much harder haha. I rememeber hearing AH say that after that part he counts to 12. Makes sense to me! :)

    • @2204JCM
      @2204JCM 2 года назад

      Allan didn’t know how to count time. His words.

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  2 года назад +1

      @@2204JCM
      Well I mean, his time is good, but its a bit free-er than how we usually think of it. The beauty again of his writing, he goes by feel. "Everything is in 1" haha.
      ruclips.net/video/c8NbuOZgWmc/видео.html

  • @miguelgarciaoficial7351
    @miguelgarciaoficial7351 5 лет назад +1

    Bravo!!!!!! Thanks.

  • @Tylercorrell
    @Tylercorrell 4 года назад

    I really love your lessons John ✊

  • @claudiocardoneOK
    @claudiocardoneOK 4 года назад

    GREAT work, great videos...you are a Master, thank you so much

  • @babalonworking6
    @babalonworking6 5 лет назад

    THE CHORD LORD LIIIIIIIIIIVES!!!

  • @stevenarseneault1972
    @stevenarseneault1972 2 года назад

    I was always intregued by free jazz however, Allan's version sounded like a discovery of what it must feel like to discover the elements of the universe for the first time.

  • @jdillo16
    @jdillo16 5 лет назад

    This is incredible! Thank you!

  • @goodman1127
    @goodman1127 2 года назад

    Sixteen Man of Tain is the pinnacle of jazz guitar music. Beautiful album and really difficult to make workshop on this.

  • @ronfrey5327
    @ronfrey5327 2 года назад

    First off you are a great teacher and giant person to show us these things which mortals cant play..
    I wonder do you work in axe fx 3 at all and if so do you share your patches ?
    Im curious if these stomp patches work in Axe 3...
    I just got the III so im new to it ..
    Much thanks in advance...

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  2 года назад

      Thank you so much!! I don't use an axe fx. I do have a Kemper, but if it wasn't that, I was using a Peavey JSX head. I do know that in order to get the chords right, you have to use the Roland GK-3 pickup and you're forced to use their presets in the multifx using. So I probably was using something in the Roland GP-10 that sounded decent.

  • @crieverytim
    @crieverytim 2 года назад +2

    Beatles hoodie, Incesticide poster and Holdworth tutorial. You my friend are cool as hell in my book! Maybe it's just my circle but there's not a lot of guys I know who can really appreciate all of those things, for whatever reason.
    What are the other posters? And what other albums can I listen to that are similar to the B Side of Incesticide? I was kinda shocked to find out how many Nirvana songs were more or less ripped off but I don't know of anything that sounds like those!

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  2 года назад +2

      Thank you! Ive been saying Allan and Kurts writing are cut from the same cloth but on VERY different ends. Tell me a song that sounds like "In Bloom"! All those artists shaped my musical journey HEAVILY. The other posters are different movie posters for Dawn of the Dead, my favorite movie! Most of that Bside of Incesticide stuff (my personal fav) are all early Nirvana. Anything written from 87 to 89. Anorexorcist, If You Must, Blandest, Spank Thru, Vendettaganst, Erectum, all written around that time but not released till the boxed set. Most ended up on Inces or Bleach.

    • @crieverytim
      @crieverytim 2 года назад

      @@TurrigenousOfficial I'd love to hear 'if Allan Holdsworth covered Nirvana', esp something off Incesticide!! Gimmicky perhaps but it would give you a chance to elaborate on this 'of the same cloth' idea. I've ofc heard comparisons to John Coltrane, but never Kurt Cobain!
      I'll never forget when I came home on a summers day between maybe 4th and 5th grade and my mom sitting at the kitchen table w her friend and casually asking me what I was listening to in my headphones and slapping that cassette on the table. 😆 she was horrified.
      Anyway, I should have clarified: I was asking what other bands have that kind of spirit and vibe of bside Incesticide. I never heard anything like it before or since

    • @crieverytim
      @crieverytim 2 года назад

      @@TurrigenousOfficial this clip, or rather the thumbnail, seemed appropriate 🤣. You might have to search manually for the video to see the thumbnail but it's just the guy trying to finger a very Holdsworthian chord shape
      ruclips.net/video/xWatQNIX-H8/видео.html

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  2 года назад

      Funny you should say that 😀 ruclips.net/video/qebevLmJfNA/видео.html

  • @2001pe
    @2001pe Год назад

    Awesome

  • @osmnludiwig8499
    @osmnludiwig8499 5 лет назад

    Man thanks for making this!!!

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  5 лет назад

      Thanks for watching! Check my other vids for more Allan lessons!

  • @ChromaticHarp
    @ChromaticHarp 2 года назад

    Alan did a concert here in Las Vegas about ten years ago, after the show he and his wife had a table set up with CDs for sale. I asked Alan which CD would he recommend that I buy, he picked the sixteen men of Tain.

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  2 года назад +1

      Interesting! When I did my solo analysis video, a lot of solos from that record were either very 'pattern' based, or used lines that were REALLY creative that I haven't seen Allan do before. I would imagine he was the most proud of that one then!

  • @johnklimeck
    @johnklimeck 4 месяца назад

    Btw, I am attempting a Tone One capture of the AH Lead patch, until then I have a ToneNet download of that Magic Stomp lead patch, not quite there, but close. Hence the capture, which will be practically exact… BTW, Line 6 Yamaha really needs to release the UD / Magic Stomp delays / chorus algorithms / patches, they are over 20 years old, sound great , and there’s nothing else on the market that matches it

  • @pellolopez3764
    @pellolopez3764 5 лет назад

    I think Allan played the first chord moving the bass note between F and E, like (F G C) (E G C) and then he played the second chord (D F Bb) That's the bass line that Dave Carpenter played on the record (F/E/D) and Allan played it like that live, check out the dvd live in warsaw!

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  5 лет назад

      Very good observation! I had forgot to mention that as I have seen him do it but it always seemed like an extra detail as Ive seen more vids of him playing a straight E.

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  5 лет назад

      It is also possible thats how it originally started and AH had changed it slightly after a few years of not playing it. He did something similar in Leave Them On. I mentioned that in the video I did on it.

  • @BeatlesExplained
    @BeatlesExplained 2 года назад

    This is just excellent! Thanks so much. Question: how to you figure out the chords? Just by ear? That seems almost impossible no?

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  2 года назад

      Thank you! It's a lot of things. Ear, logic, experience from lots of transcribing Allan stuff and what his style/chord vocabulary is. As well as transcribe, slowing down the file and even spectral analysis haha

  • @albertosantamaria917
    @albertosantamaria917 4 года назад

    Thank you for this

  • @AugmentedTriad
    @AugmentedTriad 5 лет назад

    Thanks for shedding light on this beautiful tune and all the others. Any chance that you could do a video on The Fifth? I know it's credited as a band composition but Allan must have made a large contribution to it. It also sounds like something a mere mortal could attempt!

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  5 лет назад

      I didnt know it was creditied to everyone. I thought it was just a Chad tune. I debated on maybe in the future doing "Downside Up", a personal fav. I cant guarantee it but maybe ill learn it if I get the bug haha. Thank you for watching!

    • @AugmentedTriad
      @AugmentedTriad 5 лет назад

      @@TurrigenousOfficial My bad. I am sure I read that somewhere, but I think you're right it is a Chad tune. Downside up would be a good choice too.

  • @johnklimeck
    @johnklimeck 4 месяца назад

    John, question…. What UD/Magic Stomp AH preset do you prefer for the Allan chords clean tone? I have noticed that AH Chorus 1 is great for spaciousness, a la the Em chord scale section on Letters of Marque for example, but where chords are moving faster, less spaciousness, Chorus 2…(as in the A section) of Letters of Marque, for example.

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  4 месяца назад

      I don't particularly have one. IIRC I was using chorus 6? But I don't use the magic stomp often. I actually just use a Roland Jazz Chorus profile on my Kemper haha

    • @johnklimeck
      @johnklimeck Месяц назад

      Roland Jazz Chorus, just magic. I am going to capture a JC-60 on a Nano Cortex

  • @milgarofalo3377
    @milgarofalo3377 5 лет назад +1

    Phenomenal :-)

  • @mezzafinook
    @mezzafinook 3 года назад

    can you please give us some more insight as to how the gk-3 is used for this song? as in, what unit it gets plugged into and how to set up the harmonizer for certain strings and all of that. the more detail you can disclose the better, thanks!

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  3 года назад +1

      Thank you! I wish I could but I really don't know. Im not a gear person. I can tell you as much as I know. The Roland GK-3 pickup is a synth pickup, and can also allow you to tune the strings in a different way, as well as give the guitar different sounds. So when you play an E, it recognizes its an E, and shifts it to what you programmed it to. For this tune, IIRC, Allan has the GK pickup set to normal tuning, but only the top 4 strings (D G B e) a 5th higher, but also blends the real guitar with the GK pickup (theres a setting on the pickup itself, GK only, both, and guitar only).
      On top of that, Allan experimented with a sound with the GK unit thats very horn like, and blended it with his lead sound. Which is why his lead tone from 97 to 98 sounds so unique. I think on "Downside up", the head melody is JUST what that GK pickup tone would sound like, without the distortion. Almost sounds like the synthaxe but its not. In terms of how all that stuff was configured, I have no idea :\ Sorry!

    • @mezzafinook
      @mezzafinook 3 года назад

      @@TurrigenousOfficial sorry, i should've been more specific. i know what the gk is and what it does, but what i was asking more specifically is what's your signal set up here in this video to achieve the fact that you're pitch shifting only the top four strings like allan did in this song? i can see you have the gk pickup on your guitar and that you're able to pitch shifting individual strings with it, but what unit are you plugging that gk's 13 pin output into and how are you setting up those settings to pitch shift the top four strings on it, are you using a boss gp-10 or something like that? thanks!

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  3 года назад

      @@mezzafinook Oh I'm sorry! Yes I'm using the GP-10. Its been a while, I can't remember exactly but it wasn't too hard to do. IIRC I had saved settings for specific tunings for songs, like 5ths etc.

    • @mezzafinook
      @mezzafinook 3 года назад

      @@TurrigenousOfficial thanks, bro! you're doing the lord's work working out his songs by ear and making lesson videos for us all to learn and grow as musicians from!

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  3 года назад

      @@mezzafinook Thanks! I'm just trying my best

  • @soerenreinholdt6568
    @soerenreinholdt6568 5 лет назад +1

    awesome buddy :)

  • @keanbalentine3953
    @keanbalentine3953 5 лет назад +1

    I hate to sound ignorant but what is that thing attached to the bottom of your guitar ?

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  5 лет назад +1

      No prob! I think I mentioned it. Its a Roland midi pickip. Its also what AH used in order to harmonize only the top 4 strings a 5th up

  • @cfibanez
    @cfibanez 5 лет назад

    Amazing! Thank you. Where do I find your book?

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  5 лет назад +1

      Thanks for watching! Its not out yet. Im trying to work with AHs family so they can release it and take part of the profits (however bit or small) but it seems to be taking a very long time :(.

    • @cfibanez
      @cfibanez 5 лет назад +1

      Thanks. It looks you’ve been caught in the paradox of doing things the right way. Hope you succeed. Best. /C

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  5 лет назад +1

      @@cfibanez Thank you! I felt it was only right. I don't expect to make a ton off of it but just to give back to someone that gave me and so many others so much, its the thought that counts. Even if I need to release it myself im still gonna give them something. Thanks for the comments and check out my other videos for more lessons!

  • @deanouellette38
    @deanouellette38 2 года назад

    Where were you able to find Allan's chart that you used in this video? Doesn't seem like it's available anywhere online

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  2 года назад

      Originally I think it was part of his pledge campaign. Ultimately it ended up in the unreal Allan Holdsworth facebook group along with all the others ive used.

  • @johnklimeck
    @johnklimeck 5 месяцев назад

    John,I am assuming the harmonizer is a Magic Stomp patch, which one?, thx

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  5 месяцев назад

      Yes. I think it's something that you have to program. I don't quite remember

    • @johnklimeck
      @johnklimeck 4 месяца назад

      If you have that patch handy at some point and can make it available….

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  4 месяца назад

      I don't really have them on hand since I don't really use them. But it's just a program within it that you set, there's no amp simulator or anything, just an effect

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  4 месяца назад

      Oh my mistake, I realize this is for 16 men. You can't use the magic stomp perfectly for this one. You need the roland hex pickup because ONLY the top 4 strings are harmonized. Something only a special pickup can do

  • @AGoogleUser-hf5zg
    @AGoogleUser-hf5zg 3 года назад

    who is the guitar player you mention at the end around 37min? thanks

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  3 года назад

      Alex Sill. You can find his solo on this tune from the Allan tribute show pretty easily on here.

  • @trashedget423
    @trashedget423 Год назад

    He mentioned at the end of the video someone that sounded like Allan and did a great job, but i cant understand the name. Can someone please point me to this player? thanks!!

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  Год назад

      Sorry about that, Alex Sill!!
      ruclips.net/video/7qZ7jLy-kAE/видео.html

    • @trashedget423
      @trashedget423 Год назад

      @@TurrigenousOfficial thanks for the fast and kind reply!! Nothing to be excused at all!

  • @cfibanez
    @cfibanez 5 лет назад

    One quick Q, if I may. When you refer to the "harmoniser", is this a pitch shifter giving perfect 5ths to every note played regardless of scale, or does it give you 5ths that are always diatonic with the scale you are playing? Thanks.

    • @TurrigenousOfficial
      @TurrigenousOfficial  5 лет назад +1

      Good Q. The harmonizer always gives a perfect 5 regardless of the scale.

  • @olekusto
    @olekusto 3 года назад

    💯❤️🎸

  • @igoroliveira3316
    @igoroliveira3316 Год назад

    Download partitura? Link?

  • @kundanpandey1321
    @kundanpandey1321 4 года назад

    r u using gr55?

  • @fabianv209
    @fabianv209 5 лет назад

    ufff ;3 nice

  • @claymationwaves
    @claymationwaves 2 года назад

    can you start a communal society where you are head guru and we live and play holdsworthian music and play shows at the communal for funds PLEASE MAN!!

  • @brkysnr
    @brkysnr 5 лет назад +1

    I thouht it was of train :/