How The Future King And Queen Of Norway Fought For Love For Years

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  • Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
  • It's normal nowadays for a royal to marry a commoner. But 55 years ago, everyone was shocked when Prince Harald of Norway suddenly announced that he was going to marry a dressmaker. For many years they kept their relationship a secret and struggled for love. What happened to them 55 years later? And how are they doing today?
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  • @TimmsMJ
    @TimmsMJ Год назад +21

    What a handsome young man Prince Harold was...and she was beautiful too. Such a lovely story, with a very happy ending.

  • @annehersey9895
    @annehersey9895 Год назад +51

    My favorite part is that Harald put his foot down, stood up to his father and said, no Sonia, no marriage EVER! That is ballsy for a guy in his 20's! As a dressmaker and an educated one, I bet she designs almost all the clothes she's ever worn. It must be a dream to have no budget so can use the best fabrics although I know they try to live as budgeted as they can. I wish King Charles had stood up to his parents decades ago when he knew he wanted Camilla but was denied so he 'settled' and married Diana. Just think of how many tragedies could have been avoided.

    • @lisalking2476
      @lisalking2476 Год назад +6

      I can think of 3 off the bat and Dianna's extended family 👪 as well as Camilla's husband and children as well 😞😓😩 💔 Sad 😔

    • @alicel3992
      @alicel3992 Год назад +3

      I was thinking along the same lines, not only for Charles but his sister Anne as well.

    • @bornfree1888
      @bornfree1888 Год назад +2

      ​@@alicel3992 you must be thinking of his aunt Margaret

    • @juliaperry2812
      @juliaperry2812 Год назад +3

      I do agree with you but Camilla had had a previous relationship, then future queens had to be virgins and they were checked that they were. But Charles changed all that he said his sons would marry whoever they wanted and it didn't matter about their past life

    • @bornfree1888
      @bornfree1888 Год назад +1

      @@juliaperry2812 the current crown prince married a commoner with a not so pleasant past

  • @MsFuruodden
    @MsFuruodden Год назад +33

    This isn’t true !!! Queen Sonja was not a dress maker she was the daughter of a very rich store owner
    And had Art history education from France❤❤

  • @carmie9400
    @carmie9400 Год назад +41

    I love this couple! They are perfect together & a very modern King & Queen considering their ages - that’s a compliment! 😁🇳🇴

  • @heidiaamodt5138
    @heidiaamodt5138 Год назад +9

    Queen Sonjas mother Dagny hide them in her house before they was engaged and she only talk with her God about it. They lost one of Sonjas brothers in an accident before Sonja was born and they lost Sonjas sister too in suicide in 1970 - and in the same way Queen Sonja and King Harald lost their son-in-law Ari Behn. Ari was an artist like his mother-in-law and they had a good relationship even after Ari was divorced from their daughter.
    The Queen and the King lost two unborn children too. Like many others they have experienced good things and difficult things in their lives. The king has comming out from hospital now where he have been for a short time so here in Norway we hope he will be in good health and the Queen as well. They are both born in 1937. Greatings from Norway ❤

  • @Anon.5216
    @Anon.5216 Год назад +116

    Hardly a dressmaker more a fashion designer because Daddy owned a clothes factory. Spoke all those languages and had a very fine education because Daddy was rich. She met her prince at a society party so she was from upper society.

    • @ihanakaunotar2741
      @ihanakaunotar2741 Год назад +7

      She wasn’t high enough though.

    • @sitinowak
      @sitinowak Год назад +2

      God bless them.

    • @cathyflorence8040
      @cathyflorence8040 Год назад +12

      So pleased the Prince pursued her, just adore this couple,.

    • @dagmarvandoren9364
      @dagmarvandoren9364 Год назад +3

      Da ist die,wahrheit

    • @MTMF.london
      @MTMF.london Год назад +12

      No. Father owning a clothes factory or having a fine education and speaking many languages won't make you upper class. Especially in the circles of royalty and aristocracy, you family has to have been titled to be considered upper class. Everyone else, including professionals such as doctors, lawyers, judges and bankers, is a commoner.

  • @wendyshoowaiching4161
    @wendyshoowaiching4161 Год назад +27

    Never see a man so committed to love. Win my standing ovation. Can't denial she is beautiful, talented skills and is a very good person (good personal). Every girl's dream. Never can see a relationship is so strong

    • @nylanelson8660
      @nylanelson8660 Год назад

      That is a Joke as he has Cheated throughout the marriage & even publicly had to acknowledge a few “love children” born from other women

    • @peterc.1618
      @peterc.1618 Месяц назад

      @@nylanelson8660 Having a mistress seems to be a tradition in royal families, take the British one for example.

    • @nylanelson8660
      @nylanelson8660 Месяц назад

      @@peterc.1618 , It doesn’t make it right that they choose to do this as they have No morals

    • @peterc.1618
      @peterc.1618 Месяц назад

      @@nylanelson8660 Of course it isn't right by most people's standards but the princess/queen had to just grin and bear it.

  • @sandyali4188
    @sandyali4188 Год назад +24

    Blessing and Respect to your royal highnesses❤❤❤🌟🌟🌟🌹🌹🌹👌👌👌🙏🙏🙏🕊🕊🕊💯💯💯😍😍😍🎇🎇🎇

    • @sandyali4188
      @sandyali4188 Год назад +1

      Thank you for your response to my comment greatly appreciated 🙏❤✌🌟🌹🕊💯😍

  • @valerierodrigues7880
    @valerierodrigues7880 Год назад +22

    What a beautiful love story! I love them for standing strong. ❤

  • @ranenniblett6430
    @ranenniblett6430 Год назад +3

    King Heralds father King Olav was a very good man. He was related to the Windsors. The present King has been very good too! Nice story. Yes l agree with you.

  • @sudiptaschannel9921
    @sudiptaschannel9921 Год назад +4

    Excellent presentation of a great love story.
    Truly beautiful.....Salutes to the Beautiful couple❤❤

  • @katherine9026
    @katherine9026 Год назад +4

    What a beautiful story. When I saw how they look today, it made me cry (for joy) for them. God bless them.

  • @kimberlypatton205
    @kimberlypatton205 Год назад +10

    What a handsome couple they make! You can tell they love each other by the way they look at each other!

  • @AlabasterJar7
    @AlabasterJar7 Год назад +2

    The way that he still looks at her is so loving. He has eyes only for her.

  • @marywest6844
    @marywest6844 Год назад +11

    Several languages spoken. And dressmaker. Wise man.

  • @vernelledouglas1801
    @vernelledouglas1801 Год назад +35

    My goodness! They were a gorgeous young couple. Glad they're still going strong.

  • @angieemam9222
    @angieemam9222 Год назад +42

    Not just because it was a ❤ story, they were an elegant well mannered private educated couple with good ethics n manners…..

  • @marenclair
    @marenclair Год назад +1

    A wonderful true store and a story of strength in integrity of both involved in this story of love. Allowing the continued population to be able to follow their example. Love❣️❣️❣️✨

  • @ceilconstante640
    @ceilconstante640 Год назад +5

    What a beautiful story of true love!

  • @Dejuarez77
    @Dejuarez77 Год назад +7

    If Charles had employed this tactic instead of using poor Princess Diana, but we wouldn’t had in our lives the joy of had known her, King Harald is truly a Gentleman, honorable and a rightfuly deserving admiration and praise for waiting to be let married to his true love. I’m really glad they allowed them to be together because she seems a great Person too.

  • @corinthiancolumnist7057
    @corinthiancolumnist7057 Год назад +9

    4:22 "Sonia was perfect..." and a happy union it still remains today. Despite her modest circumstances (within lineage), she was educated and intelligent. May they be blessed for the rest of their days together.

  • @eslynenembhard5269
    @eslynenembhard5269 Год назад +10

    Love is more important in any relationship. In the ordinary society some parents are trying to control their children of who to marry, but it’s wrong “ unhappiness always surface to separating and divorce. Leave them to choose their lives. Better to have true ❤️

  • @angelyniremedio5507
    @angelyniremedio5507 Год назад +79

    True love is a strong foundation of a sucessfu l marriage

    • @annakoshi3823
      @annakoshi3823 Год назад +2

      I totally agree

    • @TinekeWilliams
      @TinekeWilliams Год назад +1

      So do I, been married 52 years!

    • @deborahjane68
      @deborahjane68 Год назад +1

      Been with my husband since we were in school, from age 15, Now aged 55.

    • @nylanelson8660
      @nylanelson8660 Год назад +1

      Being married a long time doesn’t mean a happy marriage. He’s a serial cheater & has several children from other women he’s had to publicly acknowledge

    • @tinabrenner3562
      @tinabrenner3562 Год назад

      @@nylanelson8660 theyre all same

  • @angiemf9033
    @angiemf9033 Год назад +14

    Agree cos if KC was allowed to marry the love of his life from the beginning, there will be no tragedies.

    • @MTMF.london
      @MTMF.london Год назад +9

      He was not brave enough to marry the woman he loved when she was still available. She upped and married someone else while he twiddled his thumb wasting his time. It was all his own fault - weak-willed and couldn't make up his mind.

    • @TheShumoby
      @TheShumoby Год назад

      @@MTMF.london 💯%‼️

    • @AA-ud5eb
      @AA-ud5eb Год назад +4

      @@MTMF.london Right !!!! This Royal couple from Norway was also only 22 when they met, same age as Charles was when he met Camilla. But he did not fight for her. And Camilla herself wasted no time , quickly marrying APB the very minute Charles left for the navy. Charles subsequently went on to marry Diana and the two C’s made her life miserable. The Royal couple of Norway waited 9 whole years, hurting nobody, loyal to each other. Now that is a love story, Charles and Camilla’s seems like a tawdry affair which hurt a young girl and still hurts the two sons.

  • @BlazeLeber
    @BlazeLeber Год назад +4

    Did someone write a book about this? An honest to God love story. How rare is that.

  • @saraparker184
    @saraparker184 Год назад +5

    their son went on to marry a single mother with no education and previous relationship with a convicted felon.
    i am sure both of them gained appreciation for the objections they faced in the 60s.

  • @tvgerbil1984
    @tvgerbil1984 Год назад +10

    It was really up to the Norwegians. It was their kingdom. They didn't think the marriage between their future king to a commoner had any issue. So there was no issue.

    • @JV-yd4qg
      @JV-yd4qg Год назад +1

      While the Brits seems too possessive of their Royal. When they go against the partner of immediate line, they either got exiled or harassed.

  • @cajsheen2594
    @cajsheen2594 Год назад +9

    They look very right for each other. Sad to know they had to wait to marry. They still look very happy! XXX ❤

  • @moneytalkviewpoints
    @moneytalkviewpoints Год назад +8

    This is a beautiful love story.

  • @THREESISTERS15
    @THREESISTERS15 Год назад +11

    Our family believes in true love and devoted marriage. Mom and dad made it 58 years. My husband and I will be 44 years. Marriage based on anything less, is doomed.

  • @colleenhardy340
    @colleenhardy340 Год назад +6

    Beautiful story. 💖🇦🇺

  • @dianeclark1135
    @dianeclark1135 Год назад +9

    LOVE TRIUMPHS ALL MEANS AND MATTER!! ❤

  • @debrazawlocki3975
    @debrazawlocki3975 Год назад +6

    You can tell when a man loves a woman. He will gaze at her with that, "what is she doing with me?" look in his eyes, and then smile.

  • @latebloomerabroad
    @latebloomerabroad Год назад +17

    This explains why they supported their son when he made an unusual choice in his own bride. Good for them! It was so unusual back in their day to do this.

    • @britjj5126
      @britjj5126 Год назад +3

      And now look at their daughter...

    • @latebloomerabroad
      @latebloomerabroad Год назад +1

      @@britjj5126 Oh yes, I'd forgot about her!

    • @marinellafiorenzani4083
      @marinellafiorenzani4083 Год назад

      Princess Marta didn't want a royal life at all. He married twice and the second husband is her personal yoga trainer, a black man.

    • @leelohaskin7941
      @leelohaskin7941 Год назад

      ​@@britjj5126mean the one who chose a black man, I mean let's get it out of the open

  • @rosiedebevc1952
    @rosiedebevc1952 Год назад +2

    What a beautiful love story

  • @UrdVerdande-dt3ey
    @UrdVerdande-dt3ey Год назад +4

    Norway does not have aristocracy, so "for all the noble citizens of Norway" is misleading, unless it is the noble hearts of the citizens of Norway it refers to.

  • @grannymolly65
    @grannymolly65 Год назад +5

    Sonja is more royal than Harald, always has been, he is more down to earth😄👑

  • @belindakhumanthem3703
    @belindakhumanthem3703 Год назад +12

    I think i admire him for standing his ground. My boyfriend needs to do the same for us too. We have to get married this spring/summer!!!

  • @keithdennis1462
    @keithdennis1462 Год назад +9

    This info is not a 100 % accurate. Sonja came from a wealthy family. Also the engagement and marriage was very popular among most Norwegians from the start.

    • @MTMF.london
      @MTMF.london Год назад

      It didn't say her family was not wealthy. It correctly said she was a commoner.

  • @melianna999
    @melianna999 Год назад +4

    Very smart Prince. She is still attractive woman. True love is the best motive for successful marriage.
    All the best for a handsome couple.

  • @bornfree1888
    @bornfree1888 Год назад +4

    no wonder the son followed his father's footsteps

  • @marylee9706
    @marylee9706 Год назад +8

    Sonia never tried to change the rf, she adapted n kept protocols

  • @preetypurmessur8593
    @preetypurmessur8593 Год назад +8

    That's really call true love ❤️❤️❤️❤️ thank you ❤️🌟

  • @maryhull531
    @maryhull531 Год назад +4

    Her dress is very stylish and elegant . Beautiful wedding .

  • @ladytraceyanne6120
    @ladytraceyanne6120 Год назад +23

    True love conquers all 🌹💖

  • @katharineamin6066
    @katharineamin6066 Год назад +2

    Lovely, thanks! ♥️

  • @marvasampson3860
    @marvasampson3860 Год назад +2

    True love never die from Jamaica 🇯🇲

  • @tasst2674
    @tasst2674 Год назад +3

    What a lovely Royal love story. Wishing them many more happy years together. Young Harold looks so much like Prince William. I believe they are cousins, but still a striking resemblance.

    • @jakobsen27
      @jakobsen27 Год назад

      King Harald V and Queen Elizabeth II, was 2nd Cousin.

    • @tasst2674
      @tasst2674 Год назад +1

      @@jakobsen27 thanks. strong resemblance.

  • @casasantiago101
    @casasantiago101 Год назад +8

    Fashion designer she is not just a dressmaker!!!

  • @emiliasapalo9456
    @emiliasapalo9456 Год назад +1

    YES, I agree w/you. Marriage was made for love. We must remember Matrimony is a sacrament, & that's why a man & a woman have to know each other very well before they enter into Marriage, if it fails there's a domino effect, the children will suffer, unto the next generation.

  • @ageeibc6029
    @ageeibc6029 Год назад +5

    It's honesty that kept them together. Strong Love is build when God is involved & followed by positivities.

  • @jaganberi3937
    @jaganberi3937 Год назад +10

    Love, understanding and sharing each other is more important in life,it's all about determination to live a new life and to impart your new found enthusiasm for higher things of life,your entire world,it's just like woven together,closely enter related with the thought and respect never they can be separated and the couple soon learn each loving and living is more important to stay together and there is no validation,The King and queen ,Woman and Man of Norway you are Contributing to the planet.....Jagan Beri

  • @MISTER23G02xx
    @MISTER23G02xx Год назад +2

    The Skank,. as in Hank and the Skank, is common as distinguished form being a commoner.

  • @lisalking2476
    @lisalking2476 Год назад +3

    Prince Philip was Not the Queen Mithers first choice for Queen Elizabeth the second ieghther and he was devoted to the Queen till the last breath left his body ❤ True Loves ❤

  • @asmauabdullahi3642
    @asmauabdullahi3642 Год назад +2

    True love is wonderful

  • @gabrielamandujanoroca544
    @gabrielamandujanoroca544 Год назад +3

    "when exist an authentical feeling on each other, soul make It Solis an unbreakeable like a diamond beyond the years"
    😍😍😍

  • @streaming5332
    @streaming5332 Год назад +1

    They look right for each other.

  • @TinekeWilliams
    @TinekeWilliams Год назад +3

    She was a clever girl! He a lucky prince!

  • @7style0
    @7style0 Год назад +2

    "Phenomenal Love of Grace"

  • @jimmeylelo4694
    @jimmeylelo4694 Год назад +2

    The commoners brought happiness, joy, still reigning😁

  • @Pachochay8045
    @Pachochay8045 Год назад +3

    Yes True Love can Moved Mountain!

  • @lolam5757
    @lolam5757 Год назад +4

    Their son the Crown Prince now , married a single Mom Metti Marit

  • @rosemarymonty5399
    @rosemarymonty5399 Год назад +2

    His son is the spitting image of him.

  • @susanc4622
    @susanc4622 Год назад +1

    What a lovely story. The very long waiting period may have prepared them for the ups and downs of married life in such a situation. It’s a bit like Prince William and Princess Catherine of the UK. Unfortunately, Prince William’s brother perhaps rushed into his marriage- with the consequences we all see today.

  • @rayusa685
    @rayusa685 Год назад +1

    Love ❤ is a very powerful force that can never be stopped even with the use of an atomic bomb 💣! I salute you King Harold in fighting for love ❤. Posted from Los Angeles, California🇺🇸

  • @iworby8030
    @iworby8030 Год назад +2

    Why show H and M. They new each other for a short time. Should have shown William and Catherine. They new eachother since 2021

  • @desireehelms8012
    @desireehelms8012 Год назад +4

    Awesome

    • @sitinowak
      @sitinowak Год назад +1

      Her granddaughter resembles her so much.

  • @amynutter5050
    @amynutter5050 Год назад +2

    People who say she is not a dressmaker but a designer do not understand she has to be able to do both this is coming from a tailoress

  • @myrianvalenzuela9199
    @myrianvalenzuela9199 Год назад +2

    I do not know there is a king in Norway until i watch this video.

  • @mercycalip8032
    @mercycalip8032 Год назад +3

    Yes.. indeed .

  • @vargalivia
    @vargalivia Год назад +2

    True love ....💖

  • @ellenampeloquio2183
    @ellenampeloquio2183 Год назад +2

    Well, it happened to King Charles, and his uncle King Edward, and his Grandfather, King George. Even to Emperor Emiritus Akihito of Japan.

  • @yhasmanknight1908
    @yhasmanknight1908 Год назад +1

    Totally agree!!

  • @3_times_mum520
    @3_times_mum520 Год назад +3

    The former king of England, stepped down from his position as king to marry the love of his life... And he was not allowed to attend his niece Queen Elizabeth's coronation. Winston Churchill said no..
    They stayed together all their lives

    • @melianna999
      @melianna999 Год назад +3

      He had to do it.

    • @shirleyminassian1547
      @shirleyminassian1547 Год назад

      It wasn't just about his love, it was also because he was a spy working with Germany...WOW what a King that would have made for England 😒😒

    • @annewalden3795
      @annewalden3795 Год назад +1

      It was not a love story rather Edward viii was obsessed with Mrs Simpson and she had no alternative but to marry him.

    • @shirleyminassian1547
      @shirleyminassian1547 Год назад

      @Anne Walden yes, apparently she tried to run away but he stopped her. She was still in love with her first husband from what I read....serves them right, Wallis n her 1st husband getting involved with Edward just to climb the social ladder...I guess she paid for it for the rest of her life. Atleast they didn't go around trashing their family like the harkles.

  • @bonnieyuse5876
    @bonnieyuse5876 Год назад +1

    Than this explains why his Son married a Single Mom and Waitress...and his Parents were so accepting 😊

  • @minkymandy6065
    @minkymandy6065 Год назад +2

    It's a shame their first-born daughter is not next in line to the throne.

    • @tammylewis2408
      @tammylewis2408 Год назад

      This was before the primogeniture laws in Norway were changed in 1990 to allow firstborn, male or female, to become King or Queen after Crown Prince Haakon and his descendants. Crown Prince Hakkon's daughter Princess Ingrid-Alexandra is next in line after her father.

  • @charlesvanderhoog7056
    @charlesvanderhoog7056 Год назад +1

    You see what black propaganda does. "An ordinary dressmaker" is the title given to a brilliant girl, speaking five languages, having done the highest possible education in her trade, having finished in Switzerland, being elegant and smart. Now, tell me, how many of the trolls that called Sonia an ordinary dressmaker could match that? Certainly not the spoiled brats of much of the nobility.

  • @emanderson5453
    @emanderson5453 3 месяца назад

    Sonja has one of the best 60’s wedding dresses

  • @jeffpagan7735
    @jeffpagan7735 Год назад +2

    Who can blame him? She was a snack!

  • @chicagomike
    @chicagomike Год назад +2

    She was from a wealthy family. This is bullshit

  • @tinabrenner3562
    @tinabrenner3562 Год назад +1

    The poor woman who married the spanish king wanted him badly 😂

  • @Inajazzz
    @Inajazzz Год назад +3

    True love, good manner.
    Not a fake love to gain popularity

  • @sonnyalcaras777
    @sonnyalcaras777 Год назад

    this is really wow!!!

  • @nhezca
    @nhezca Год назад

    She is so beautiful and elegant

  • @lindamyers4980
    @lindamyers4980 Год назад +7

    All blessings to the King and Queen Consort! God has truly blessed them. Love. Love! LOVE!!!🥰😍💞💓💗💖💝💕❤💛💯🤞🏾🙏🏽🤴🏻👸🏻👨‍🦳👩‍🦳

  • @elizabethchan918
    @elizabethchan918 5 месяцев назад

    i thought the first commoner to marry a crown prince of Europe was Grace Kelly in 1956

  • @giabella901
    @giabella901 Год назад

    4:56 what is a “wize” president? Please get someone who can speak correctly on this channel!

  • @thereseajones2621
    @thereseajones2621 Год назад +3

    She was a self made woman!

  • @Pisti846
    @Pisti846 Год назад +2

    A happy King is a good King.

  • @noraoconnor1895
    @noraoconnor1895 Год назад

    Heading misleading. She was from a v wealthy family, she was v well educated and more than qualified for the role.!!

  • @1171
    @1171 Год назад +1

    I am going to throw up 🤮 if I see that grifter Meghan’s wedding pictures I didn’t like anything about it. I knew Meghan was going to be there for whatever she could do to use Harry and that’s exactly what she is doing. I also knew Doria was in it to back up Meghan and she has received over 9 million dollars from Megan right after she had gotten darrin doll from FedEx. 😂She’s never loved Harry and he never saw it coming! I’m so sick of this couple of grifters! Just my opinion

  • @lucretiaesmeijer1679
    @lucretiaesmeijer1679 Год назад +2

    Truste love

  • @nyomansatryani3468
    @nyomansatryani3468 Год назад +3

    True love KC III to Camilla ❤😊

  • @justsayin8893
    @justsayin8893 Год назад +3

    Too bad King Charles didn’t do the same, things would have been much better

    • @juanitamayers7885
      @juanitamayers7885 Год назад

      Norway is not the UK who believe they are something special. They are not

    • @melianna999
      @melianna999 Год назад +1

      Children would lack of beauty thou

    • @MTMF.london
      @MTMF.london Год назад

      @@melianna999 That's quite mean.

    • @melianna999
      @melianna999 Год назад +1

      @@MTMF.london TRUTH You old enough
      to know whats the truth what's to
      be mean.

    • @MTMF.london
      @MTMF.london Год назад +2

      @@melianna999 If you're old enough, you should know that concerning other people's appearance, say nothing if there's nothing good to say.

  • @cynthiadaisy4939
    @cynthiadaisy4939 Год назад

    Yes i do.

  • @THREESISTERS15
    @THREESISTERS15 Год назад +1

    She was no dummy.

  • @katariinak7257
    @katariinak7257 Год назад

    Harald, not Harold

  • @mva6213
    @mva6213 Год назад

    exaggerated..........not a dressmaker....................daughter of a clothing owner................... well educated............

  • @teresitaturner4813
    @teresitaturner4813 Год назад +3

    If king Charles and Camilla fight for there love,there's no William and Harry 😅

    • @juanitamayers7885
      @juanitamayers7885 Год назад +2

      NO their goverment and queen would never have allowed. The brits like to think they are special. They are far from it.

    • @melianna999
      @melianna999 Год назад

      @@juanitamayers7885 Not now. Harry married Meghan. Nobody likes her but him.

    • @MTMF.london
      @MTMF.london Год назад +3

      @@juanitamayers7885 Charles never put up a fight though.

  • @maresabruiners5199
    @maresabruiners5199 Год назад +2

    This story makes me think about Prince Harry s children,, "Royals out on the street" for as long as Prince Harry has a male bloodline they will be ROYALS

    • @annewalden3795
      @annewalden3795 Год назад

      Maresa the children , if they exist, were born to surrogates and ought to be excluded from the line of succession.