Plinthed Steam Locomotives in Poland
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- Hello Everyone,
Recently Lawrie went out to Poland, and as part of that trip he wanted to see some of the Plinthed Steam Engines that are in multiple places in the country, so enjoy having a look at a different kind of preservation!
If you happen to want to find these engines for yourself, the google maps co-ordinates are as follows:
Engine 1: 53.132948, 17.990630
Tram : 53.133367, 17.989174
Engine 2: 53.134241, 17.988655
Engine 3: 52.396941, 16.860989
Engine 4: 52.427319, 16.848499
Engine 5: 52.384439, 16.955286
Engine 6: 52.384613, 16.955951
A video featuring:
Lawrie, Presenter - Excited to be looking at trains in Poland
James, Cameraman/translator - Exasperated from looking after a Lawrie.
An edit by Lawrie
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Until 1994, the club was closely linked to Polish State Railways (PKP). As a result, its popular nickname is Kolejorz [kɔˈlɛjɔʂ], which means The Railwayman in local slang.
Thank you for the clarification
7:37 this plaque says “This building is the first railway station in Bydgoszcz built in 1849 renovated in a community effort by the workers of PKP Bydgoszcz railway hub. September 1979”
Ah thank you!
One of the most fascinating parts of making the USATC S160 for Train Sim was learning about all of the countries they went to, the Polish railway was particularly interesting
The tram at around 3:00 is actually a Düwag type M vehicle from “Mülheim an der Ruhr”. Originally built in 1976 then used there till being sold to Elbląg for use on their tram system in 2016! Then when they received new vehicles 2 vehicles were sold to the city of Bydgoszcz for display outside the old tram depot! Till this day they retain their old color scheme from Mülheim while having the numbers and logos of the trams in Elbląg. Good to see they’re still in such good condition! Düwag quality lives on!
Tkt48 and Baziel locos are placed in a place called Park Rataje. The installation containing the locomotives serves as a memorial ,commemorating the standard gauge portion of Środa County Railway. The narrow gauge bit, although shortened, still exists to this day and is used for running steam hauled trains from late spring to early autumn. Other interesting place in Poland, regarding railway heritage is Upper Silesian region. Narrow gauge railways in Bytom and Rudy both have working steam engines, and run services in summertime. I would love to see an episode from one of these railways.
this is pretty much the case for most of the preserved locomotives in Finland too, usually found within stations or old factories. It has gotten better though in the later years with ever increasing number of them getting a fully enclosed glass enclosures or some cosmetic restoration done to them. One of them (class Hv3 no:995) even got a second chance in life being plinthed in 1978 at Oulu railwaystation and after 26 years of standing out in the elements, it was chosen for restoration to working order in 2004. After 7 years of hard work, sweat and tears, it finally moved under its own power in 2011. 40 years after it was withdrawn from traffic in 1970s.
That's super!
At least if they're Plinthed, they're still about and could be restored
(15:38) This exact "Baziel" worked in Wojkowice Cement Plant (which was one of the main buyers of that class of engines), hence the number 14998 8. The cement plant was located in Upper Silesia, so it traveled nearly entirety of Poland to get to where it's standing right now.
Oh thank you for the clarification
When you pointed out the extra locks on the smokebox door of the final locomotive, it brought back a wonderful childhood memory. My father took myself and my siblings to an open day at our local locomotive works in Dublin when I was a small boy. It was brilliant and we had a wonderful time exploring the many steam locos and new diesels and carriages. But then I saw this big, black locomotive with its smokebox door open and a set of steps so you could climb up and have a look inside. I was up those steps like a shot. But as i reached the top I slipped and toppled head first into a very sooty smokebox. I came out absolutely covered in soot. Picture a small very blond boy in t-shirt and shorts all black down the front but apparently not too bad at the back. A concerned railway man found a rag and tried to clean me up with very limited success. Dad wasn't best pleased but luckily had an old blanket in the car so I didn't cover the cream leather seats in soot on the drive home. That was in the late 1950s when I was about 7 years old and beginning a lifelong fascination with steam. Now I'm 71 I and I still laugh when I tell this story. I wish Dad had his camera that fateful day.
Poor Lawrie! Get this gentleman a real winter coat!
I had many, many layers on 😂
Ironically this reminds me of the steam train we have outside in the museum that I volunteer at. it's a wonderful piece of kit that I really think anybody can enjoy.
If its safe and looked after that's great
@@lmm Oh don't worry it's being lovingly taken care of. In fact this year we not only gave it a cosmetic restoration we are also in the process of giving it a roof over it's head!
We are still in the construction phase so it will be a while before it's fully finished.
@@sirmatsdubois2509 that's super!
@@lmm If you ever want to come and see it or if you just want to have a fun time around trains for two hours then I suggest you come to train world! It's pretty easy to get two since you can just take the train out of Brussels to Schaarbeek and you're right at the entrance of the museum.
If you ever decide to visit the Subcarpathian Voideship, you could go to the Main Railway Station in Rzeszów and see the plinthed TKt48-27 locomotive, I have visited it many times and it is also pretty complete on the exterior side of things.
Oooh, im from Bydgoszcz! Its not a popular tourist city so its cool you gave us a visit
My comment on Top 5 locos about Steam engines in southern Poland was very well timed for this new video :D
Glad you enjoyed the visit! If you ever plan to visit southern Poland for steam engines and trams I think I could give you some tips.
The tram is M8C orginating from Mulheim in Germany later used in Elbląg.
I live a block away from a mikado that came from the steel plant when they were done with it in 1980. These exist all over America including one of Union Pacific Big Boy steam locomotives.
Very interesting video lawrie thanks very much 💯🤟✌️
6:36 quite mild winters these days, actually
there is also Ty2-540 and Electric ET21-548 from '60s next to train station in Legnica
Just an awsome video!
I am here by accident, and I love your channel.
But what I have to tell you, there are so many plinthed steam engines all over Poland, that in this video you didn't even seen a tiny bit of them.
There are plenty standard gauge, and narrow gauges as monuments all over the country. There are even a lot of them under restoration in progress.
Also in city I live, which is Szczecin in Westpommerania.
And even in Poznań you haven't visit all of them. There are some at various locations all around city.
There are a few monument locomotives in the UK but these tend be industrial locomotives. One sits outside the London Tube station in Stratford near the London 2012 Olympic Stadium. There is also a locomotive in a childrens play area somewhere in the UK.
The strangest UK monument train has to be the prop train used for the most up to date Murder on the orient express which is sited at a café in the lake district with the prop carriage.
I know Bydgoszcz and I must search for that loco. between Toruń and Bydgoszcz recently (half hour by rail) I passed three very large tender engines outside their sheds and all well-cared for. I remember from years ago entering Wrocław on the 'bus and seeing the 'train to heaven' = Pociąg do nieba. There is a plinthed tank engine at the Wieliczka salt mine south of Kraków.
Iirc technical colleges usually have their steam locos in nearly ready to go because the students will take looks at them as part of their school tasks
Lawarie I recon you take a visit to the irchester narrow gauge museum as it’s a great place
PS THEY HAVE MORE THAN 1 RUSTON
Its on my list too - looks a great place
8:55 well ty51 is in front of the stadium because the kks in the football team name stands for railway sports club (kolejowy klub sportowy) that's why the train is their mascot
Hi Lawrie. In Canada back in the 1980s CN and CP used to stick their old steamers on plinths too. fortunately most have been in steam since.
1:06 looks like aluminium, not steel.
5:50 1-9 number range was for ex-German/Prussian, 11-19 for ex-Austrian/Austro-Hungarian, 20-99 for domestic, indicating a year the design was approved, 101-199 for ex-Russian, 201+ for other countries (eg. USA), no number - owned only by industries, not PKP
I still hope for a collab with @PokoleizKuleckim
7:40 - Budynek pierwszego dworca kolejowego w Bydgoszczy z 1849 roku - This building was the first railway station building in Bydgoszcz, built in (lit. "coming from") 1849.
Odrestaurowany w czynie społecznym przez pracowników PKP węzła Bydgoszcz. Wrzesień 1979 - Renovated ("restaurated" as in French "restaurer", or "restore to a former state) by the employees/ workers of PKP, Bydgoszcz railway hub (division), as a public work/ service to the community. September 1979 (= date of the restoration).
I remember the day when the Ty51 standing in front of Lech Poznan's stadium was delivered to the city, sometime in October 2016. I was sitting onboard the train to Kalisz, waiting for departure from Poznan Main Station, when I noticed a freight car rolling onto the adjacent track, and right after it, this monster of a locomotive appeared. I believe they then used a large crane to load it on a truck platform and carry it to the stadium.
Can never get enough of steam locomotives Lawrie!
I'm surprised that you didn't try to lift any of the locomotives....or did you? 😉😆😂
Excellent video, as always!
Lovely to see my home country on the channel! Greetings from a nearby Toruñ
Lots more content from Poland coming up!
@@lmm splendid!
i have a PX48 within 10km from my house here in Poland! got restored cosmetically in 2022 i think
Lawrie, there are reasons why locomotives situation is as it is. Comparing preservation in the UK to the one in Poland.. I dont think its fair? Maybe fair isn't the right word. But in England you had whole industry for railway enthusiast for decades before steam was withdrawn from service. You had models, books and magazines, trainspotting books where you could collect locos youve seen, etc. And UK was capitalist country with many people who had generational wealth. So in time when british locos were rusting in the graveyards there was a lot of guys with free time and money to save some of them. Meanwhile in Poland there was no wealth because of socialism, very tough economic and politics transformation. There was small number of enthusiast because even taking pictures of the trains weren't allowed. No trainspotting in here. In UK you have private own heritage lines were you pay hundreds of pounds to travel Severn river valley. In Poland you have Wolsztyn which is own by moloch operator who dont really feel it. And you pay pennys to ride. I think it will change with time as Poles getting more wealthy. And theres need to be some change in ownership of locomotives. It will never be like in UK.
It’s kind of similar in most of the US. The majority of steam locomotives we have were donated to a town or somewhere similar, and a large number remain in that sort of “plinthed” condition
If you ever come to Poland again.
I can recommend coming to ,,skansen kolejowy w pyskowicach"
I am a volunteer there.
Those poor locomotives, they should be in museums and on heritage railways, and should all be properly taken care of and stored indoors.
Thats how it works and no chance for herritage railway here since all lines are under PKP owner ship or private operators
There are a few like this in the UK mostly small industrial locomotives which get placed outside industrial museums or as in the case of one locomotive outside the tube and shopping centre in Stratford London.
That’s awfully expensive to put them all inside at a museum, I know my local museum couldn’t afford it. “Plinthed” locomotives are very common in America as well, often preserved by the railroad donating it to a local town. I’ll try to find my list, I think more exist in my state outside of railway museums than inside.
very wrong, the actual reason we don't have any good museums is because a lot of them just kinda cheap out and/or have not so good management that just sells off locomotives to the west@@Bob36509
Go and make it so, then.
Quite common in America as well, there are some towns that are very attached to their local locomotives. Very rarely does the money exist to restore them en masse like you do in the UK, so here it’s a very valid method of preservation. The only caveat is when town politics mean it’s no longer wanted, that’s when a museum might interfere if it can. But some of the best-kept steam locomotives in my state are located at a fairground or next to a courthouse or something similar.
love your vids lawrie
Thank you very much
The locomotive in front of K.K.S. Lech Poznań stadium is the mascot because the football club was sponsored a lot by polish national railways (PKP)and K.K.S. stand for kolejowy klub sportowy (Railroad sports club)
Lovely video. I must say you have missed at least one extra plinthed loco in Poznań, by the station building of a narrow gauge tourist line by lake Malta. The line is known as Maltanka (the little maltan). There are also a few plinthed trams around that serve as café's :)
I like Maltanka, I've been on it during the summer, but I was trying to do places that weren't the traditional place to find engines
Nice video! You've visited Poznan, a place where I live. I can help with your next trip to Poland, especially Greater Poland region.
I like Poznan, been many a time!
the first shown b coupled tank engine looks like a post-war wwI polish build engine for 785mm narrow gauge (or prussian 2ft 6in gauge) line in the upper silesian industrial region. these lines where build for rather heavy trains with small (in case of height and width) engines and waggons. the gauge is rather unusual but was the first of all german narrow gauges es far es i know. only 2 railways with this gauge survived until today (more or less).
if u come to poland once again you should go to Tczew because they have a few interesting locomotives there
I like the Green locomotive!
To be honest, them locos look better preserved than what most British locomotives do on heritage railways
1:04 - "The boiler plating on it is made from stainless steel" - well, nearly almost very close to probably being correct, but unfortunately "not really"... ;-)
That patch visible at 1:06 shows clearly a zinc-coating pattern. Stainless steel is not really in wide use in Poland, as it is pricey and difficult to work with, while hot-dipped or "galvanised" zinc coated steel is commonly used in cases of "enhanced corrosion protection required". And the patch is visible because someone who should have known better had not, and instead of using a paint dedicated for zinc-coated steel used a regular paint, which, due to some chemical magic going on under the skin, tends to peel off when "exposed to elements".
Yeah, I know - I'm a natural born knocker ;-) And yes, this "stainless" or "no stainless" is of tertiary importance here (at most!), but then again, being a habitual knocker... ;-)
Cheers!
PS: TKp1 - uhmm... I'm afraid I have to put a little fly in your otherwise perfect ointment...
See, that first letter actually refers to the purpose/ task meant for a given loco - "T" stands for "towarowy" (freight one, an adjective), and "P" for "pośpieszny" (fast one, from noun "pośpiech" a rush), meant for express trains. This is, obviously, decided by the "big wheels" or "small wheels" choice, aka "momentum and acceleration" vs "top speed" dilemma all locos face when they are born.
And then there's third option (for steam locos) which is "O", which stands for "osobowy", meaning literally "[for] persons" - in the same fashion as German "PKW", Personnen Kraft Wagen means "car for carrying persons", or people. Anyway, that loco was meant to haul "regular" passenger trains, i.e. not express ones. Lower top speed, but better mommentum - important for trains with a lot of passengers and frequent stops (unlike was the case with express trains).
Then comes "K", which indicates "krótki" (short one) or "kusy" ("cutty", as in "Cutty Sark") - meaning, that "this loco is short of a tender". A tank engine, in short (pun intended).
Fun fact - tenderless locos, or tank engines, are called "tendrzak" in Polish (a noun, something like "tender-ish thingy", a derivative from the noun "tender" - being, well, a tender) - which, oddly enough, sorta suggest a rather prominent presence of this "absent part".
Why such a funny name, then? Well, because it actually points to the fact that the tender is already there, an integral part of the loco - like, "lo and behold, for I'm the loco AND the tender" - hence the name. Think "inclusivity"... erm, on the second thought, better not ;-)
Anyway, Polish for for "tank" is "zbiornik" - that is, unless you mean that tracked "boom-boom" thingy with this sticky pipe sticking in front of it, in which case it'd be "czołg". So now you know ;-)
Back to our muttons, though - in case of modern diesel/ diesel-electric or purely electric locos similar coding is used, where the first letter, E or S, indicates the type of the loco - "E" for "elektryczna" (electric one), "S" for "spalinowa" (fuel-powered one, from noun "silnik spalinowy", an internal combustion engine). Then comes the second letter, a "task designation" - which is either "P", "T" or "U" stands for "pośpieszna" (fast one), "towarowa" (freight/ goods one) or "uniwersalna" (versatile one).
Thus ET-22 stands for "electric, freight one" EP-09 would mean "electric, fast one" while SU-49 would be "diesel, versatile one". And those numbers are just off the top of my head, they always will be there, but they'll probably differ.
A totally useless trivia - the noun "lokomotywa", "a locomotive", possesses a feminine gender in Polish, while "parowóz", or "steam engine" is masculine. This grammatical gender thing, in case of unanimated objects, has none of the "sexes" flavour attached to it, it's merely some "grammatical feature".
there is a an thk1-20 in museum in zielona góra this engine was in my town for manny years now its standing in museum
First locomotive is next to a Railwayman school.
That makes sense!
This isn't uncommon up here north of the border, I can think of about a dozen locos in parks, industrial estates, and sadly ones dumped out the back of museums with no hopes of restoration
Amazing to see anything left unattended and in the open air described as 'in no immediate danger'. In England they would be destroyed by vandals and have parts, if not whole locos, stolen within weeks.
i do hope for more poland content
Quite a few lined up!
@@lmm great news!
If only there were more left cos in the UK like these. Better that than Kings Scrapyard. Equally, if only it was easier to get a loco shipped from Poland to the UK.
I haven't watched the video yet, but have you ridden the functional steam train in the West of Poland?
Cladding is galvanised
When did you film in Bydgoszcz?
Where can I find the China video
That tank has no sand , when you wheel slip without sand can be dangerous for your firebox all that cold air can break stuff
Will you be looking at more plinted loco's in poland?
In the future maybe
Remember the 0-4-0 is small to us in the US still
That does somewhat depend...
Some narrow gauge engines did get really small notably porters, buuut alot of stuff wass huge.
@@davidty2006 *cough cough* uintah *cough cough*
6:00 Thomas?
First loco was on "Technikum Kolejowe" property its technical/trade school teaching teenagers for future work at railway (loco drivers, technicians, mechanics and so on) so its properly cared for by students and teachers :)
The tram is german Duewag M8C from 1970ties in 2016 it was sold to Bydgoszcz but as they got more money bought new locally made trams they phased them out and put one on display
The Bydgoszcz station building rest of the plaque says it was rescued and restored by railway workers as pro publico bono* in their free time - its hard to translate "czyn społeczny" to capitalist countries it a lot of things in commie countries where done by people for people pro bono just because hey we have free time this needs to be done lets do it.
TKp T is for freight locos O for local or slow passager train P for fast passager trains, K is for tenderless...
Poznań and football stadium that one is easy the local team KKS "Lech" and KKS stands for Railway Sports Club "Lech" nicknamed as Kolejorz - slang for railway worker.
Oh that's good to know!
Lori can you please do me a gigantic favor I have been looking for a documentary about the inventor of the walschaerts steam locomotive valve gear I learned that he's from Poland can you please do me a favor do a documentary about the inventor of my favorite valve gear it's on the big boy it's on the fef3 it's on the GS4 daylight which is one of my absolute favorite locomotives in the entire world it is a very widely used valve gear but most people talk about Stevenson but nobody talks about. Walschaerts and how he invented the valve gear and how it came about I've never found a documentary about him ever so can you please make a documentary about him and his valve gear that he invented thank you Lori I'm a very early on subscriber of
Hyce AKA Mark Huber that's one of his favorite valve gears 2 so can you please maybe even do a collab with him trying to make a documentary would really appreciate it if you would do this for me and all of the r a i l Fanning community of the world thank you for what you do peace out into the world have a great day
lokomotywy parowe zachowane na cokole steam locomotives preserved on a plinth
You shud go to the netherlands
also a jeep in Poland I feel bad for that poor soul lmao
what are the protruding rods coming from the cylinders on some of those locomotives?
Those are called Kolbenstanschutzrohr in German, basically they protect the piston rod extension piece that comes out of the front of the cylinder
Oh boy, if you think this engine is on the gradient, you are up for a treat when you get to Wrocław.
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poci%C4%85g_do_nieba
Have you seen my video on that?
@@lmm no, I haven't. I am not a subscriber, just bumped into that one.
I am gonna to look for it now.