Large is the Panerai Identity - If you don't like large watches, there are plenty of other brands that make smaller watches. As for the future, every misstep Panerai has taken in the past has been a result of their efforts to try and broaden their appeal. I think its a mistake for them to try and be the brand that has something for everyone. Staying true to their roots, is more important. Accepting the fact that not everyone likes the style is good, because it will help build loyalty among those that do like the style, and keep Panerai focused on its niche.
See I have to contest that to a certain degree. No doubt size is part of their identity, but it’s FAR from their only one. They’re also highly recognizable for their intense lume, Italian heritage, sandwich dials, and unique crown locks. Their design aesthetic overall is unique and can be told big or small. I don’t think it’s a huge compromise IF they went small. But I agree they should embrace what makes them unique and accept it’s not for everyone.
I agree with everything here, but the idea about "staying true to their roots." Their roots do not have a lot of wiggle room and it seems like they'll just be making the same watch over and over for the rest of forever if they do that. They deserve room to grow and change. They can continue to sell their classic panerai models while introducing new ideas in other watches.
The 1068 is a gorgeous piece and rather exclusive. It’s only available through the boutiques and not regular AD’s. While not a limited production watch, per my dealer there are only about 1500 made a year helping to justify its price point. I for one can’t pull off a watch larger than 44mm and glad Panerai came out with a great looking sport watch in 42mm. The blue dial is one of the nicest in any brand and wears very comfortably. Teddy didn’t mention it but this model also has the quick change buttons on the lugs making it easy to change the bracelet out to a strap for versatility. I’m glad Panerai is adding watches more people can wear and hope they continue to do so.
I have a Luminor Marina Quaranta. That’s the 40mm Luminor Marina. It’s super simple but it’s something so unique about wearing it. The identifiable bridge over the crown makes it also super-easy to spot around town. 😂 Now to your question, I think the submersible presented above looks absolutely stunning. Looks like a complete work of art. To me the brand is exploring some design ideas that look fresh and out-of-wordly somehow. Keep it up, Panerai! 👏
One year later, how do you feel about it? Still happy with it? I'm considering this very model you mentioned, white dial. But I'm also skeptical due to the negative reputation that Panerai has built up over the last couple of years.
The watch seems like a big ask price-wise for all it doesn’t bring to the table. The comparison with the Black Bay 58 vividly highlighted that notion. Thank you.
As I began preferring watches between 38-42 mm , I sold my two Panerai watches almost 8 years ago, even though I continued to like the style of Panerai. When the Due line was released, I went and tried one on, but didn't like it. Then recently the quaranta case was released and it was the perfect (goldilocks) size for me. I ended up with the green (1304) model and love the way it wears. Very happy to be back in the Panerai family.
As a lover of the brand and owner of their watches one thing i'd like from them would be to clean up the reference number system. Because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense anymore and it feels like is getting harder and harder to keep track of them.. and i think you nailed it with this video all of the things that Panerai as a brand should be thinking about.
Totally agree. Their references are so messed up, nobody can see through, even a Panerista. This also makes it very hard to sell these watches as the buyer has to look up your specific reference.
I wanted to love Panerai. Lot’s of respect for the brand, seen it many time looking great on someone else’s wrist, but nothing actually clicked. The closest I got to buying one was with 42 mm bronzo. I know that it has a very “bronze fitting design” and I would be very happy with it. But still I did not pull the plug, somehow. Now I just saw this one and boom! All my insides are messed again, I feel a strong magnetic field, I’m looking at it again and again, as if checking if I still want it. I do. I guess I’ll have to get one soon or the desire fever will eat me alive from within. So getting one will be a rescue mission - a great excuse for a hew watch, I think!:)
I feel this way as well. I love how many Panarai watches look but as the current owner of a Tudor Pelagos (in house), it's so hard to swallow/justify the on-paper specs of a Panerai for the price.
@teddybaldassare do a review of the Luminor Quaranta I think many would find that interesting as it hits the 40mm sweetspot without sacrificing it Luminor roots. Great channel keep it up.
Like a typical fanboy seeing the rock and Stallone wearing it is the reason I got myself a panerai submersible. If I hadn’t seen them wearing it, I definitely would not even know about the brand.. but I have to admit the submersible when I wear it gets me so many compliments from people because of the size of the watch and the stainless steel it is a very attractive watch
Glad to see a Panerai review on your channel. I like Panerai in general and own a Luminor 1950 GMT. But in this day and age I think they would benefit from making more options in the 40 to 44mm range and slowing down the 47mm options. There are quite a few of the larger 47s I think many people would like but at that size cannot pull off. Also, I get the whole dive watch purpose design, but if you look at the large number of professional diving watches out there now, most don’t exceed that 44mm size. As for the water resistance rating I also don’t get how they can make many of their models with only 100m of WR given the size. I also have a SuperOcean 42 which is noticeably thinner than my Panerai yet has 500m of depth rating vs the Panerai’s 300m. Now 300m is more than adequate but for some of their other models at 47mm with thicker domed sapphires and cases, you would think they could do better than 100m.
I recently bought a Luminor Quaranta as a birthday gift for my brother. But within a week of my brother's wearing it, the screw that holds the strap pin came off, along with it the strap itself. So, he got the dealer's info from me and visited the Panerai store. Apparently, the store blamed my brother for the fall-out. My brother is a medial doctor so he sits in his office most of the day. But the dealer said that my brother put his watch in his pocket while washing hands and others and that is the reason why the screw came off. I went to the store and heard the same thing myself. I asked if they seriously blame my brother for mishandling a Panera when a screw came off from a brand new Panerai within a week of wearing it and they say YES. I could not believe what I was hearing... All this happened--from the purchase to my final visit to the store happened within the last 20 days. So, the moral of the story is Panerai still suffers from quality issues and they blame their customers for their problems !!!
If they would do the Radomir in 42 with the exhibition case back and keep the 8 day power reserve, keep the vintage look of the existing and add two or three colors, green, blue, black that watch would sell like crazy
I'm glad to see Panerai moving towards slightly more reasonably-sized cases, and I really love the continuation of the crown guard motif on the bracelet, but at that price, it's a really hard sell given the competitors. With the same budget, you could get the Blancpain Fifty-Fathoms Bathyscaphe, JLC Polaris, GO SeaQ, a used Submariner 14060, or (if you can convince an AD to sell you one) a new 124060 or 126610 submariner. Cool watch, but for the price there are too many better dive watches available from other brands for purchasing a submersible to ever make much sense.
Update: I wrote this comment before I got to the end of the vid when you mention exactly this point lol! Great mentions with the seamaster and the blackbay fifty-eight as well
I get the watch comparisons you have mentioned due to RRP, All of them are samey, entwined design characteristics across the board, from 10ft away as a watch fanatic I am trying to figure out what it is? But 100ft away it’s a Panerai. If, as many say including yourself, you can for the money get better.. hacking/depth etc etc. then I will say just spend £1000 and purchase a Longines Hydroquest 43mm ceramic Verde, simply, in MHO the single best Dive watch available at a Dozen price points. If, that is you want a dive watch? Which in reality for almost 100% of dive watches purchased today are as statement pieces especially OMEGASM300/Submariner. When I dive I have two dive computers, which cost less than 500 pound for the two. That tells you everything about luxury Dive watches😂 They are just that, an outdated technological luxury purchase. Right onto the next purchase 😂👍
Oh Longines Hydroquest 43mm: Ceramic bezel/300m WR/Excellent lume/Hacking/unidirectional bezel excellent clasp/L888 calibre /72hrs PR, and all over finishes are excellent. All for a grand
@@SiVispacemparabellum045+1 on the 100ft sentence. My Pepsi is barely noticeable from a distance as the colors are very subtle and it can easily be mistaken for a sub. However, I always recognize a PAM on other peoples wrists. Its design is so distinctive.
I could not agree more... The issue with Panerai is the price. Because they do have very nice, iconic watches BUT (for the price) the movements are trash and (for the price) a lot of details are subpar. If they were a quarter of the price, maybe even half, they would sell like hot cakes... BUT if you enter Rolex territory (in terms of price) you should offer something beyond a different design (my opinion)
Totally agree which is why i sold mine. I was a new collector when i bought mine and as i became more knowledgeable i just wanted to move on. Id be open to buying another luminor if i found a steal
Teddy!! great content as usual.. i love Panerai . i have 3 in my collection.. i do not however have a submersible .. just too expensive for me .... i do love it though .. BUT .. i think the sunburst dial just looks wrong.. Panerai look so much better with plain or textured dial. especially their beautiful sandwich.. the Panerai bracelets are sooo cool though..
I think that Panerai's larger cases actually wear a little smaller than the 42mm build. This is largely due to the size of the dial in relation to the case. I think if they made the bezel slightly larger, the watch would wear much smaller than it does and retain its heft and presence.
I really like this one. I currently have two 44mm Panerai (111 I've had for 15 years) and the new Submersible QuarantaQuattro Grey Dial. They are both really fun watches. But for everyday wear I'd probably enjoy the 42mm size.
I’ve owned a PAM1209 Azurre for about two years. It’s a go anywhere, do anything, while under the radar piece. A couple of things I’d change; are a different sapphire crystal, like a boxed crystal not simply flat. I’d also use white gold on the hands and indices for a discreet touch of luxury. Make the rotating bezel 120 clicks vs 60. And, make the hour markers just a bit bigger with seconds stick indicators in between.
I've cycled through many pannies over the years, from 47mm subs to 42mm Due... I still have my 111 which will never leave my box, but the other two I have are the 42mm 906 and 960. The 960 is by far my most comfortable watch. For me, 42mm is my perfect sweet spot and the carbon fibre case makes it lighter too. I've been eyeing this 1068 as the blue dial and bezel are amazing.
@@olafian2450 don't blame you. I kinda wish I had a 5 instead of my 111 because i think the sausage dial is nicer than the sandwich dial. But 111/05/00/112 all classics
I also tried it on in Venice and I was blown away .. until I went home and checked out some Reviews on it and everyone said the same thing as you about the quality and the movement specially. I think I’ll go with a SEAQ instead
It's worth mentioning that there is a mistake in this video and the P900 movement actually DOES NOT have hacking. I own the PAM 1271 which shares this movement and it doesn't bother me but I thought I should mention that.
I'm interested in adding a Panerai to my collection some day, but I'd probably stick to the Luminor. I don't think you get enough out of the watch at this price point. I'd also want to get it gently used to avoid what I imagine is quite the initial depreciation hit.
In the beginning; Panerai Luminor 1950 3 Days GMT automatic, for me was la crème de la crème !! But now that Mr. Baldassare uncovered the mystery uppon the Brand, I am in doubt about it, hey these are 8.900 Swiss .-
Even though i myself am a fan of big panerai’s and only own 44mm cases, it is important that panerai make watches for consumers other than paneristis. Because doing this and selling to them, would allow panerai to have the resources to develop and create new large size watches for the paneristis. After watching fortnine’s video on how harley k*lled itself, i realised panerai was going down the same road as harley and now understood their need to appeal to the mass market.
Awesome looking watch. Just way too expensive comparing to alternatives. If this would be priced in line with Seamaster it could be a contender, but no way at 10k.
I completely agree with your sentiment! I tried on the Submersible with white dial and absolutely loved it! At $6K there's a good chance I would have gone ahead and got it. But at $10K, brings too many other watches into play.
1st Bloody hell! That felt good. Thirty seconds later: O.K. not first, but still felt good. Er.. still too big for me, but nice watch. We'll done Teddy. Really like the marketing, industry and corporate insight you give. Wish more reviewers would go down this route.
I have several, but the Due 42 PAM00927 is worn most. I know it’s not the full dive watch a Panerai should be, but it’s so light, thin and comfortable. My 44mm and up Panerai watches just don get as Mitch wear
I think a lot of people strongly consider getting a Panerai due to its unmistakeable look. However at that price point compared to the huge amount of competition in the market other brands offer so much more in terms of value.
Very frustrating to see such a nice design with broader size appeal fall down with an average non COSC movement, lack of on-the-fly adjustment, poor illegible bezel markers for actual serious dive usage. Then charging $10k for a badly thought out package is just gross profiteering on the perceived luxury element of the brand. As Teddy pointed out, you could have 3 BlackBays for this price. I'd argue, better watches too. I love the Panerai brand but in time the current fan base will eventually die out and they may struggle to attract new buyers by being too limited in their appeal.
This watch has such an Omega Diver vibe with the color scheme and bracelet. I like the twist they do with this version but I like my "cheaper" Seamaster over this beauty. Edit: Ops, you mention alternatives like the Omega :-)
I loved that video so much, it was like watching a master chef at work. The way they handled every element was so effortless and perfect, it was like they were dancing with the ingredients. And the final product was an absolute masterpiece, a symphony of flavors that left my taste buds singing. I'm so glad I watched that video, it was an experience I won't soon forget.
I usually wear a PAM everyday and at 44mm and being Ti no need to go smaller. I can appreciate the smaller ones but if you appreciate the brand smaller is pretty much as an introduction not a norm. IMHO
This is the first Panerai Im interested in. It just looks good without leather or rubber strap. The clasp might be an issue, im not sure it will be strong enough for this kind of watch.
Did I hear +7 to +10? Edit: I love the look and the size but the price and the fact the Seamaster’s line up are so much more accurate, less price, and just as good looking aesthetically, imo it’s a no brainer.
It doesn’t need to get smaller. I tried it on my 6.25 inch wrist the other day and it worked well so if it works for someone who wears a bb 54 the size is good
The P900 is a glorified baume and mercier movement built by Val Flurier. The upgraded P900 movement doesn't even have hacking seconds. When i am paying close to 10k for a watch, i want the basic features. I will stick with my PAM177. Tried and tested classic.
Panerai is Marmite, love it or hate it, there is no in between. I love Panerai and I love that it is not owned by all and sundry. Seamaster/submariner just blended watches. There is nothing individual about them. Panerai is an individual amongst clones. The Quaranta is an exceptional wear every day watch 40mm 👌 and as for this 100m WR nonsense, stand by a 100m build and look up. Please raise your hand if you have dived that depth? 99.99999% never have or ever will. Buy a watch because YOU love it and not because you think others will. Panerai is a true military watch brand, and as a former Military frogman I love my Panerai watches..IYKYK 👍
I like the look; could wear this size… but yes, you exposed the elephant in the room - value. And not from the resale perspective, just what else one could buy - and still buy a business class airfare to some international destination.
Nice watch. Had it on the wrist but too pricy. And the bezel action not quite to my liking. Im got watches for a 3rd if that price with much better bezel action.
It's interesting how some types of inquisitive criticism stick to one brand but not to another. Take Panerai, for example - the subject in this video. There are 4 distinct lines: Luminor Submersible, Luminor Marina, Luminor Due and Radiomir. Each of these lines have multiple models, bigger, smaller, in different metals and with an incredible range of bracelets and straps. In fact, some models come with TWO bracelets plus tools to interchange them YOURSELF. Now, let's direct the lime light to Rolex: does Rolex have more options and lines than Panerai? Not really. Subs and Sea-Dwellers and Deep Seas - let's face it - are the same watch. GMTs don't fall too far from Subs as well. Then we have the 1908 which replaced Cellini, Sky Dweller, Datejust, Day/Date (these two are really pretty much the same as well) and Explorer. We can group them from a design standpoint in 4 four distinct categories: the Subs + GMT | 1908 | Sky Dweller | the Dates. What about IWC? Ingenieur | Aquatimer | Pilots | Portugieser - 4 again. Omega? 4 again (try it yourself). This is my point. Why so much discussion on the design direction of Panerai? The design is beautifully unique and, as far as I see it, could stay like that forever. Just like Rolex, IWC, Omega and many, many more other brands. Chill out folks.
Panerai is one of the very few watch brands I truly think that you don’t miss out on anything if you buy a high-end replica for a small fraction of the price…
I'm not sure Panerai should be aiming too much smaller. They are supposed to wear larger. I also think there stated measurements do not necessarily tell the full wearing story, especially wire lug versions.
Really nice looking watch. Stupid bracelet for a dive watch (although good looking). But really don’t understand what it makes it to be worth 10000$? I don’t know, do they sell with discount? I doubt it. I think for this price they’ll only attract Panerai fans and will not attract any new ones.
I'm a fan of the brand, wearing my PAM48 as I'm typing this. For $10K and they skipped COSC certification, and it runs +7-10 sec per day....... that's just pure laziness and unacceptable.
See at a 7.5 inch wrist this trend to smaller 36-37mm from almost ALL brands is a bit annoying (just annoying not flipping out angry). I get the concept of making a range to fit everyone's wrist, or that size trends change, but it seems to have gone beyond that to make most styles exclusively smaller. Remember the average wrist is 7.25inch.
I don't see added value for this watch at this price, specially in terms of quality. Scary spots on dial printing at 3:11 and 6:22 ... SELs gaps are also so wide that you can see the springbars.
With no micro adjustments, they should have gone ahead and put a display caseback on the watch. I would be surprised in a single person on the planet would dive with an $11k watch.
And I can't justify supporting a company who lies publicly about having in house movements, have bullshit made up history, who did not even treat Stallone right after single handedly putting their shitty brand on the public's radar and who in the end have been making the same single watch forever
Ouch, at 10 grand a pop there are better options. When Panerai were massive in the 90s they were reasonably priced, very much like Tudor today. Is a Panerai really worth 10 Grand? Even used it is going for 8 grand.
Nice video, well done. I saw it repeatedly (; Just a question. I have the Luna Rossa submersible and it is brand new but gains 7 seconds a day. Is that normal?
Large is the Panerai Identity - If you don't like large watches, there are plenty of other brands that make smaller watches. As for the future, every misstep Panerai has taken in the past has been a result of their efforts to try and broaden their appeal. I think its a mistake for them to try and be the brand that has something for everyone. Staying true to their roots, is more important. Accepting the fact that not everyone likes the style is good, because it will help build loyalty among those that do like the style, and keep Panerai focused on its niche.
Man , shut up
What about electric Harley Davidson
Couldn’t agree more
See I have to contest that to a certain degree. No doubt size is part of their identity, but it’s FAR from their only one. They’re also highly recognizable for their intense lume, Italian heritage, sandwich dials, and unique crown locks. Their design aesthetic overall is unique and can be told big or small. I don’t think it’s a huge compromise IF they went small. But I agree they should embrace what makes them unique and accept it’s not for everyone.
I agree with everything here, but the idea about "staying true to their roots." Their roots do not have a lot of wiggle room and it seems like they'll just be making the same watch over and over for the rest of forever if they do that. They deserve room to grow and change. They can continue to sell their classic panerai models while introducing new ideas in other watches.
The 1068 is a gorgeous piece and rather exclusive. It’s only available through the boutiques and not regular AD’s. While not a limited production watch, per my dealer there are only about 1500 made a year helping to justify its price point.
I for one can’t pull off a watch larger than 44mm and glad Panerai came out with a great looking sport watch in 42mm. The blue dial is one of the nicest in any brand and wears very comfortably. Teddy didn’t mention it but this model also has the quick change buttons on the lugs making it easy to change the bracelet out to a strap for versatility.
I’m glad Panerai is adding watches more people can wear and hope they continue to do so.
I have a Luminor Marina Quaranta. That’s the 40mm Luminor Marina. It’s super simple but it’s something so unique about wearing it. The identifiable bridge over the crown makes it also super-easy to spot around town. 😂 Now to your question, I think the submersible presented above looks absolutely stunning. Looks like a complete work of art. To me the brand is exploring some design ideas that look fresh and out-of-wordly somehow. Keep it up, Panerai! 👏
One year later, how do you feel about it? Still happy with it? I'm considering this very model you mentioned, white dial. But I'm also skeptical due to the negative reputation that Panerai has built up over the last couple of years.
The watch seems like a big ask price-wise for all it doesn’t bring to the table. The comparison with the Black Bay 58 vividly highlighted that notion. Thank you.
The problem is Tudor is gross 🤮. It’s completely just a big advertisement on your wrist that you cannot afford the Rolex.
As I began preferring watches between 38-42 mm , I sold my two Panerai watches almost 8 years ago, even though I continued to like the style of Panerai. When the Due line was released, I went and tried one on, but didn't like it. Then recently the quaranta case was released and it was the perfect (goldilocks) size for me. I ended up with the green (1304) model and love the way it wears. Very happy to be back in the Panerai family.
38mm, 40mm wristwatch? Are you transforming to female?
As a lover of the brand and owner of their watches one thing i'd like from them would be to clean up the reference number system. Because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense anymore and it feels like is getting harder and harder to keep track of them.. and i think you nailed it with this video all of the things that Panerai as a brand should be thinking about.
Totally agree. Their references are so messed up, nobody can see through, even a Panerista. This also makes it very hard to sell these watches as the buyer has to look up your specific reference.
It's always good to have options. This applies to anything. It's heading to the right direction for sure.
This is what your girlfriend said...
I wanted to love Panerai. Lot’s of respect for the brand, seen it many time looking great on someone else’s wrist, but nothing actually clicked. The closest I got to buying one was with 42 mm bronzo. I know that it has a very “bronze fitting design” and I would be very happy with it. But still I did not pull the plug, somehow. Now I just saw this one and boom! All my insides are messed again, I feel a strong magnetic field, I’m looking at it again and again, as if checking if I still want it. I do. I guess I’ll have to get one soon or the desire fever will eat me alive from within. So getting one will be a rescue mission - a great excuse for a hew watch, I think!:)
For $10,000 they do need to update their movement. The bb58 can get COSC certification at 1/3 of the price.
I feel this way as well. I love how many Panarai watches look but as the current owner of a Tudor Pelagos (in house), it's so hard to swallow/justify the on-paper specs of a Panerai for the price.
@teddybaldassare do a review of the Luminor Quaranta I think many would find that interesting as it hits the 40mm sweetspot without sacrificing it Luminor roots. Great channel keep it up.
Like a typical fanboy seeing the rock and Stallone wearing it is the reason I got myself a panerai submersible. If I hadn’t seen them wearing it, I definitely would not even know about the brand.. but I have to admit the submersible when I wear it gets me so many compliments from people because of the size of the watch and the stainless steel it is a very attractive watch
Glad to see a Panerai review on your channel. I like Panerai in general and own a Luminor 1950 GMT. But in this day and age I think they would benefit from making more options in the 40 to 44mm range and slowing down the 47mm options. There are quite a few of the larger 47s I think many people would like but at that size cannot pull off. Also, I get the whole dive watch purpose design, but if you look at the large number of professional diving watches out there now, most don’t exceed that 44mm size. As for the water resistance rating I also don’t get how they can make many of their models with only 100m of WR given the size. I also have a SuperOcean 42 which is noticeably thinner than my Panerai yet has 500m of depth rating vs the Panerai’s 300m. Now 300m is more than adequate but for some of their other models at 47mm with thicker domed sapphires and cases, you would think they could do better than 100m.
I recently bought a Luminor Quaranta as a birthday gift for my brother. But within a week of my brother's wearing it, the screw that holds the strap pin came off, along with it the strap itself. So, he got the dealer's info from me and visited the Panerai store. Apparently, the store blamed my brother for the fall-out. My brother is a medial doctor so he sits in his office most of the day. But the dealer said that my brother put his watch in his pocket while washing hands and others and that is the reason why the screw came off. I went to the store and heard the same thing myself. I asked if they seriously blame my brother for mishandling a Panera when a screw came off from a brand new Panerai within a week of wearing it and they say YES. I could not believe what I was hearing... All this happened--from the purchase to my final visit to the store happened within the last 20 days. So, the moral of the story is Panerai still suffers from quality issues and they blame their customers for their problems !!!
Looks like they suffer from attitude issues
Thanks for posting and sorry to hear about your experience, that sucks
BS
If they would do the Radomir in 42 with the exhibition case back and keep the 8 day power reserve, keep the vintage look of the existing and add two or three colors, green, blue, black that watch would sell like crazy
Yep...take my money now !
What got my attention is the PAM 960 . That watch rocks!11
Great review. Just bought my wife a 38mm Due. She loves it.
What a great review, really nailed down what the good and bad of it is but in a very thoughtful way. I have to say I agree.
I'm glad to see Panerai moving towards slightly more reasonably-sized cases, and I really love the continuation of the crown guard motif on the bracelet, but at that price, it's a really hard sell given the competitors.
With the same budget, you could get the Blancpain Fifty-Fathoms Bathyscaphe, JLC Polaris, GO SeaQ, a used Submariner 14060, or (if you can convince an AD to sell you one) a new 124060 or 126610 submariner. Cool watch, but for the price there are too many better dive watches available from other brands for purchasing a submersible to ever make much sense.
Update: I wrote this comment before I got to the end of the vid when you mention exactly this point lol! Great mentions with the seamaster and the blackbay fifty-eight as well
I prefer them even more if they were for budgets of broke folks, like me
I get the watch comparisons you have mentioned due to RRP, All of them are samey, entwined design characteristics across the board, from 10ft away as a watch fanatic I am trying to figure out what it is? But 100ft away it’s a Panerai. If, as many say including yourself, you can for the money get better.. hacking/depth etc etc. then I will say just spend £1000 and purchase a Longines Hydroquest 43mm ceramic Verde, simply, in MHO the single best Dive watch available at a Dozen price points. If, that is you want a dive watch? Which in reality for almost 100% of dive watches purchased today are as statement pieces especially OMEGASM300/Submariner. When I dive I have two dive computers, which cost less than 500 pound for the two. That tells you everything about luxury Dive watches😂 They are just that, an outdated technological luxury purchase. Right onto the next purchase 😂👍
Oh Longines Hydroquest 43mm: Ceramic bezel/300m WR/Excellent lume/Hacking/unidirectional bezel excellent clasp/L888 calibre /72hrs PR, and all over finishes are excellent. All for a grand
@@SiVispacemparabellum045+1 on the 100ft sentence. My Pepsi is barely noticeable from a distance as the colors are very subtle and it can easily be mistaken for a sub. However, I always recognize a PAM on other peoples wrists. Its design is so distinctive.
I could not agree more... The issue with Panerai is the price. Because they do have very nice, iconic watches BUT (for the price) the movements are trash and (for the price) a lot of details are subpar. If they were a quarter of the price, maybe even half, they would sell like hot cakes... BUT if you enter Rolex territory (in terms of price) you should offer something beyond a different design (my opinion)
Totally agree which is why i sold mine. I was a new collector when i bought mine and as i became more knowledgeable i just wanted to move on. Id be open to buying another luminor if i found a steal
Really unique bracelet reminds me of fish scales, 🐟 goes with the intended environment of the watch I guess, stunning looker!!!!!!
Love to see you do a review of the Panerai Bronze watches. The bronzo blue abissio.
Teddy working those guns ;)
Teddy!! great content as usual.. i love Panerai . i have 3 in my collection.. i do not however have a submersible .. just too expensive for me .... i do love it though .. BUT .. i think the sunburst dial just looks wrong.. Panerai look so much better with plain or textured dial. especially their beautiful sandwich.. the Panerai bracelets are sooo cool though..
I think that Panerai's larger cases actually wear a little smaller than the 42mm build. This is largely due to the size of the dial in relation to the case. I think if they made the bezel slightly larger, the watch would wear much smaller than it does and retain its heft and presence.
Indeed. A 44 wears like a 41. A due 42 wears like a 39 to 40
Agree totally. My Radiomir 574 is 42mm, but wears like a 40.
I think it’s also the relative short amd narrow lugs that make Luninor case wear smaller then it’s size would suggest.
@@pasquale78 those are all good points. Ivan and WouterZtube also
I really like this one. I currently have two 44mm Panerai (111 I've had for 15 years) and the new Submersible QuarantaQuattro Grey Dial. They are both really fun watches. But for everyday wear I'd probably enjoy the 42mm size.
An Omega comes close, but very little feels like a Panerai. This one is wonderful.
Own an older Panerai luminor and love it. Only a select few of the new models interest me but I do think they are heading in the right direction.
I’ve owned a PAM1209 Azurre for about two years. It’s a go anywhere, do anything, while under the radar piece.
A couple of things I’d change; are a different sapphire crystal, like a boxed crystal not simply flat. I’d also use white gold on the hands and indices for a discreet touch of luxury. Make the rotating bezel 120 clicks vs 60. And, make the hour markers just a bit bigger with seconds stick indicators in between.
Been wanting a panerai but I have a small ass wrist. Glad to see smaller sizes
I've cycled through many pannies over the years, from 47mm subs to 42mm Due... I still have my 111 which will never leave my box, but the other two I have are the 42mm 906 and 960. The 960 is by far my most comfortable watch. For me, 42mm is my perfect sweet spot and the carbon fibre case makes it lighter too. I've been eyeing this 1068 as the blue dial and bezel are amazing.
I have a 005 and don't think I'll part with that one!
@@olafian2450 don't blame you. I kinda wish I had a 5 instead of my 111 because i think the sausage dial is nicer than the sandwich dial. But 111/05/00/112 all classics
fascinating stuff...tell us more...no wait nobody cares lol.
@@thetruthhurts7500 about what you say? you're correct.
I tried this watch on at the Panerai flagship in Florence and loved the way that it looked/wore, however 10k for a P.900 movement is laughable.
I also tried it on in Venice and I was blown away .. until I went home and checked out some
Reviews on it and everyone said the same thing as you about the quality and the movement specially. I think I’ll go with a SEAQ instead
It's worth mentioning that there is a mistake in this video and the P900 movement actually DOES NOT have hacking. I own the PAM 1271 which shares this movement and it doesn't bother me but I thought I should mention that.
I'm interested in adding a Panerai to my collection some day, but I'd probably stick to the Luminor. I don't think you get enough out of the watch at this price point. I'd also want to get it gently used to avoid what I imagine is quite the initial depreciation hit.
I have a Luminor and it is pretty awesome!
@@MMoran7122 Very nice! They have really caught my eye. Enjoy it!
Also the "unconventional design" of the bracelet, it is meant to mirror the crown-guard.
Excelente video Teddy. 🤩🤩⌚️⌚️
absolutely gorgeous watch
In the beginning; Panerai Luminor 1950 3 Days GMT automatic, for me was la crème de la crème !!
But now that Mr. Baldassare
uncovered the mystery uppon the Brand, I am in doubt about it, hey these are 8.900 Swiss .-
For some reason the Submersible seemed very “steampunk”; I thought that was cool! Been a fan ever since.
Interesting way to describe it. I certainly see what you mean.
@@TeddyBaldassarre you have an imposter replying on my comment sir.
While I like the Panerai design concept, I find their watches to be about 40-50% too expensive.
Even though i myself am a fan of big panerai’s and only own 44mm cases, it is important that panerai make watches for consumers other than paneristis. Because doing this and selling to them, would allow panerai to have the resources to develop and create new large size watches for the paneristis. After watching fortnine’s video on how harley k*lled itself, i realised panerai was going down the same road as harley and now understood their need to appeal to the mass market.
Awesome looking watch. Just way too expensive comparing to alternatives. If this would be priced in line with Seamaster it could be a contender, but no way at 10k.
I completely agree with your sentiment! I tried on the Submersible with white dial and absolutely loved it! At $6K there's a good chance I would have gone ahead and got it. But at $10K, brings too many other watches into play.
1st Bloody hell! That felt good. Thirty seconds later: O.K. not first, but still felt good.
Er.. still too big for me, but nice watch.
We'll done Teddy. Really like the marketing, industry and corporate insight you give.
Wish more reviewers would go down this route.
I have that watch (white dial on a rubber strap) lovin it
I have several, but the Due 42 PAM00927 is worn most. I know it’s not the full dive watch a Panerai should be, but it’s so light, thin and comfortable. My 44mm and up Panerai watches just don get as Mitch wear
I think a lot of people strongly consider getting a Panerai due to its unmistakeable look.
However at that price point compared to the huge amount of competition in the market other brands offer so much more in terms of value.
Yes ,
At 50% off it would be compelling .
Very frustrating to see such a nice design with broader size appeal fall down with an average non COSC movement, lack of on-the-fly adjustment, poor illegible bezel markers for actual serious dive usage. Then charging $10k for a badly thought out package is just gross profiteering on the perceived luxury element of the brand. As Teddy pointed out, you could have 3 BlackBays for this price. I'd argue, better watches too. I love the Panerai brand but in time the current fan base will eventually die out and they may struggle to attract new buyers by being too limited in their appeal.
No body wears a dive watch for diving anymore 🤦♂️
This watch has such an Omega Diver vibe with the color scheme and bracelet. I like the twist they do with this version but I like my "cheaper" Seamaster over this beauty. Edit: Ops, you mention alternatives like the Omega :-)
I'd want this because of the cool bracelet, but a lack of on-the-fly adjustment makes this a sad no.
I loved that video so much, it was like watching a master chef at work. The way they handled every element was so effortless and perfect, it was like they were dancing with the ingredients. And the final product was an absolute masterpiece, a symphony of flavors that left my taste buds singing. I'm so glad I watched that video, it was an experience I won't soon forget.
I own the Due and love it.
If they make the Due with 100m WR that would be a home run. I don’t think it is hard to do, not sure why they did 30m for it
The new P.9200 caliber used in Panerai’s recently introduced chronograph family is a basic ETA 2892-A2 with Dubois Dépraz chronograph module.
Typical Panerai shenanigans
I usually wear a PAM everyday and at 44mm and being Ti no need to go smaller. I can appreciate the smaller ones but if you appreciate the brand smaller is pretty much as an introduction not a norm. IMHO
This is the first Panerai Im interested in. It just looks good without leather or rubber strap. The clasp might be an issue, im not sure it will be strong enough for this kind of watch.
It looks good but I can't get passed that crown guard 🤷♂
Thanks for sharing.
Did I hear +7 to +10?
Edit: I love the look and the size but the price and the fact the Seamaster’s line up are so much more accurate, less price, and just as good looking aesthetically, imo it’s a no brainer.
正確道路，至少外型越來越好看，也越來越多人喜歡，自然可以賣更多的錶😉
Good review
I like the smaller Panerai but I'm disappointed none of them can be had an exhibition caseback
The BiTempo has it now
Panerai has recently stated that 44 mm is "the cornerstone" of their collection.
It doesn’t need to get smaller. I tried it on my 6.25 inch wrist the other day and it worked well so if it works for someone who wears a bb 54 the size is good
Keep up the good work, Teddy.
Thank you, my friend!
The P900 is a glorified baume and mercier movement built by Val Flurier. The upgraded P900 movement doesn't even have hacking seconds. When i am paying close to 10k for a watch, i want the basic features. I will stick with my PAM177. Tried and tested classic.
Yes, agree can't believe they are putting this in so many watches now.
None hacking on a watch at this price point is just crazy.
Beautiful blue
I'd actually buy this
What happened to the BiTempo they announced? Haven’t seen any other news and it wasn’t on their website last time I checked.
Panerai is Marmite, love it or hate it, there is no in between. I love Panerai and I love that it is not owned by all and sundry. Seamaster/submariner just blended watches. There is nothing individual about them. Panerai is an individual amongst clones. The Quaranta is an exceptional wear every day watch 40mm 👌 and as for this 100m WR nonsense, stand by a 100m build and look up. Please raise your hand if you have dived that depth? 99.99999% never have or ever will. Buy a watch because YOU love it and not because you think others will. Panerai is a true military watch brand, and as a former Military frogman I love my Panerai watches..IYKYK 👍
Now hoping for a 40mm
To me, if Hublot did not exist, Panerai would be it
I like the look; could wear this size… but yes, you exposed the elephant in the room - value. And not from the resale perspective, just what else one could buy - and still buy a business class airfare to some international destination.
Exceptionally beautiful. I don't make enough yet to consider this a wise purchase.
Nice watch. Had it on the wrist but too pricy. And the bezel action not quite to my liking. Im got watches for a 3rd if that price with much better bezel action.
does the Italian navy still wear it or did they switch to the citizen dive master?
Does the p900 movement hack as you say? I have been reading reports that it does NOT hack- can anyone clarify this please?
Hi Ted, please review Titan watches.
Bracelet is a W imo... Still waiting for a 36mm tho 😁
It's interesting how some types of inquisitive criticism stick to one brand but not to another. Take Panerai, for example - the subject in this video. There are 4 distinct lines: Luminor Submersible, Luminor Marina, Luminor Due and Radiomir. Each of these lines have multiple models, bigger, smaller, in different metals and with an incredible range of bracelets and straps. In fact, some models come with TWO bracelets plus tools to interchange them YOURSELF. Now, let's direct the lime light to Rolex: does Rolex have more options and lines than Panerai? Not really. Subs and Sea-Dwellers and Deep Seas - let's face it - are the same watch. GMTs don't fall too far from Subs as well. Then we have the 1908 which replaced Cellini, Sky Dweller, Datejust, Day/Date (these two are really pretty much the same as well) and Explorer. We can group them from a design standpoint in 4 four distinct categories: the Subs + GMT | 1908 | Sky Dweller | the Dates. What about IWC? Ingenieur | Aquatimer | Pilots | Portugieser - 4 again. Omega? 4 again (try it yourself). This is my point. Why so much discussion on the design direction of Panerai? The design is beautifully unique and, as far as I see it, could stay like that forever. Just like Rolex, IWC, Omega and many, many more other brands. Chill out folks.
Panerai is one of the very few watch brands I truly think that you don’t miss out on anything if you buy a high-end replica for a small fraction of the price…
Their watchers look great. They need to keep their watch big (not too big) and good water resistant (diver heritage).
I'm not sure Panerai should be aiming too much smaller. They are supposed to wear larger. I also think there stated measurements do not necessarily tell the full wearing story, especially wire lug versions.
Please show luminous power also
does it have hacking second function ?
Pam01248 and Pam01043 are 38mm small cases. Panerai has already done small case sizes and they’re still salable.
Really nice looking watch. Stupid bracelet for a dive watch (although good looking). But really don’t understand what it makes it to be worth 10000$? I don’t know, do they sell with discount? I doubt it. I think for this price they’ll only attract Panerai fans and will not attract any new ones.
Another lucky day!😃
Hahahahaha
I'm a fan of the brand, wearing my PAM48 as I'm typing this. For $10K and they skipped COSC certification, and it runs +7-10 sec per day....... that's just pure laziness and unacceptable.
See at a 7.5 inch wrist this trend to smaller 36-37mm from almost ALL brands is a bit annoying (just annoying not flipping out angry). I get the concept of making a range to fit everyone's wrist, or that size trends change, but it seems to have gone beyond that to make most styles exclusively smaller. Remember the average wrist is 7.25inch.
I think the bracelet is the best part
Stallone!!
And the Expendables Laugh at your sissy video!
😁
Ive never met a Panerai owner thats ever been diving except that one time at a gentlemens club.
That’s a beaut of a watch👍
PAM0048 and 0050. 40mm, not targeted at women, and 300m water resistant. That’s the way to go in my book.
Needs Helium escape valve! 😉
I don't see added value for this watch at this price, specially in terms of quality. Scary spots on dial printing at 3:11 and 6:22 ... SELs gaps are also so wide that you can see the springbars.
With no micro adjustments, they should have gone ahead and put a display caseback on the watch. I would be surprised in a single person on the planet would dive with an $11k watch.
I wanted to buy a Panerai but I just cannot justify the prices
And I can't justify supporting a company who lies publicly about having in house movements, have bullshit made up history, who did not even treat Stallone right after single handedly putting their shitty brand on the public's radar and who in the end have been making the same single watch forever
Ouch, at 10 grand a pop there are better options. When Panerai were massive in the 90s they were reasonably priced, very much like Tudor today. Is a Panerai really worth 10 Grand? Even used it is going for 8 grand.
No it is not
Hey, Teddy! What would you choose between this one and Pelagos 39mm? I have 16.5cm wrist. I only have one watch yet, white roman DJ36.
Great review, love the styling, but completely unobtainable for most.
Any plans for a video on the best complications on watches priced under $1000?
Nice video, well done. I saw it repeatedly (; Just a question. I have the Luna Rossa submersible and it is brand new but gains 7 seconds a day. Is that normal?