Not a Christian but I think that you doing the video is really cool. It's nice and refreshing to see people be themselves and share there perspectives.
Hey, very cool video! Thank you! I'm a Linux user going back to the mid 90s... and a Christian (we're a rare breed). :-) Have a sub. I'll comment on your videos, and hope you don't take too much offense to any corrections I make. When introducing newbies to Linux, I understand using analogies to make it "easier to understand." But I also think it's important to give more precise/accurate information, in order to familiarize them with the technologies involved. SWORD is an API... not so much a server, but a library that presents a standardized facility for user programs to access data. In the same way that PulseAudio libraries/drivers allow the operating system to pipe sound to speakers, or QT/GTK+ libraries allow GUI applications to draw windows on a user's screen. It's a fancy way of saying, a standardized and easy way for a program to access/manipulate data. Most (all?) modern software uses libraries in this way... even standard C library is an external file that "serves" a standard programming interface to all of the C programs running on our computers, whether Linux, Windows or otherwise. (Familiar with Windows, and ever been prompted by a piece of software or game to install Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime? Yeah, it was downloading C++ libraries that the program needs to run and interact with your computer. Just like SWORD.) It's unfortunate that Crossway is seemingly making it hard to get their Bible text? I get it, Bible publishers need to make money, but... are they really going to miss out on Bible sales if someone has it available in their Bible software? And at that point, is it worth depriving someone of it? Seems the tiny amount of money they might lose could easily be chalked up as "charity." I prefer the KJV for serious bible study (due to Strong's concordance and some other tools), but ESV is a good "casual reading" bible (which, again, is not really what PC bible software is about.) NASB is decent enough. I found your channel by searching google for "Bibletime vs Xiphos"... I've used both in the past, but it's been awhile (under Windows I use e-sword, which coincidentally has nothing to do with the SWORD project library.) My main concerns are flexibility of interface and Strong's numbers.
I run KDE nowadays, so BibleTime is the obvious choice (2023). Installing sources for the time, although Crossway is selected... I was not offered to download ESV. Maybe things will change after the initial setup.
Where do you get NIV Version of the bible?... Thanks for the tip for NASB, that is great. would also like to use NIV.. thoes are really the only 2 I use
theWord on Linux with Wine. I've been using this for quite a while and it is the best one I have ever used. Of course, Esword can also be run on linux with Wine.
I have used e-sword, Logos, Blue letter bible to do study. I've been trying to sneak away to Linux but most of my friends are still into Google. I've just loaded Brave Browser on the machine I have Linux on. I'm Using Bohdi as my distro. I loaded Lubuntu as a desktop environment.I use Lubuntu as a workaround to set up a desktop. It runs pretty fast. I'm trying to set up a Linux only machine. Thx for this post .
I switched to linux not long ago after many years of trying. I bought a system 76 laptop with pop os preinstalled and I made a virtual box of windows 10 to run logos, esword and accordance. This setup works great. The people at system 76 really put together a good system. All that said I am trying both xiphos and bibletime and they are good but not as many translations and commentaries
Also I forgot to say I use the Life bible online formally Tecarta and before that Tyndale. I have a year subscription and it is full of different translations and commentaries
Great video question now I can't find the esv in either app. I do have esword for windows but since making the switch to linux I want to use linux programs. I do have logos and use the online version
ESV was pulled from the sword applications because crossway got money hungry and demanded hundreds of thousands of dollars for licencing. They did the same to the SBC, so the SBC created their own translation. You might be able to buy it directly from them, or you might find it on a repository somewhere if you look, but that one might be a pirated copy, so I would look to buy it from them instead.
FYI, neither Bible Time nor Xiphos offer DEBs or RPMs. The expectation is that distros will compile them, which is emphatically not the case. Thanks for doing the review. I was hoping that you knew of something for Linux that was more akin to Accordance, Logos Library Systems, or BibleWorks.
@@SwitchedtoLinux Pondering on what you've said about flatpak and system security. Still, it probably is more secure than BibleWorks8 and WINE. (Bibleworks is out of business. BibleWorks 10 was the last version to be released.) Bob Pritchard knows Logos is used in places where possession of a Bible results in automatic executation without trial, so including so much tracking makes their corporate policies very questionable to me.
As former Orthodox Christian and now atheist I'd like it if you could go more in depth on Bible time. While I'm not going to come back to the faith as it were I would like to know more about this program and more importantly about the resources behind it. I don't think I've ever had the chance to read the entire apocrypha and pseudepigrapha. Not to mention that I'd love to have access to some of the older translation of the old and new testaments. And if anyone is wondering why an atheist would be interested in this, well, why wouldn't I. I might think this is just fancy, but not only have these myths influence by culture, but even just in a vacuum, they're still as interesting and worth studying as the norse or greco-roman myths. EDIT. Never mind about Bibletime, It's not in the Solus repos and has no appimmage so I'm going to have to look at Xiphos.
In FLOSS Biblical software, Orthodox Christian resources are conspicious by their absence. If you're intererested in Deutetocanonical and pseodopigraphal material, collecting epubs and PDFs will result in a more comprehensive survey, than collecting resources for the software.
On Android I usually use Andbible, on desktop I run Bibleworks 9 on wine. You can get 95% of the same functionality on free software, but for academic research the search on lemma function is worth that extra 200€. Too bad it is discontinued.
With careful module construction, and a deep knowledge of SQL, one can do all 5 tasks in the [i]2009 Bible Software Shootout[/i] using e-Sword resources. You will need to create at least a dozen resources to do so. Only the first task can be completely done from within e-Sword. The fifth task can only be done using SQL inquiries. The middle 3 can be partially done from within e-Sword, if one has created the appropriate resources. You'll need to handcraft SQL inquiries to complete them. Which is a round about way of saying e-Sword can do sort of do lemma searches. There is/was a gratis Bible Software for Windows that has lemma searching built in, but I don't remember which one/what it is called. In theory, you can write a function that does lemma searches for any Sword Project front end. You'd be using RegEx rather than SQL. In practice, it isn't something that mere mortals can do.
@@SwitchedtoLinux OK, I installed Xiphos and Bibletime on Linux Mint. I couldn't find a text to voice option for Bibletime. Xiphos does have text to voice audio, but it sounds very robotic and it's hard to listen to. I tried installing different voices (US English female and male voices), but the other U.S. English voices don't work. Do you have or know of any videos that tell you how to install a better (less robotic/more human) voice that works on Xiphos? Thanks🙂
@@SwitchedtoLinux Have you tried Drex Bible? They say Drex has professional text to audio narrators. I couldn't find any YT reviews on the Drex Bible. If you recommend it, is it better to install it from APKpure or should I install it from Snapcraft? My understanding is that the Snap dowload is a much larger file than the APK.
I was able to get the Verbum program (Catholic version of Logos) running through Lutris. Just install using the latest Wine and the latest .Net. Works pretty well. Sometimes there are display problems, but just minimize/maximize, and it fixes itself.
Father, No there isn't. You're going to want to grab the install file from Verbum. Then follow the instructions here to install it: ruclips.net/video/xZpCNh46G4Q/видео.html Make sure and select Wine for your runner. This part is weird, because Lutris kind of hides the menu you need in another menu: After it's added to your library, right-click it and select 'Winetricks'. A window will pop up. Select 'Install an Application'. Hit 'Ok'. After the next window pops up, hit 'Cancel'. Another window will pop up. Select 'Install a Windows DLL or Component', then hit OK. Select 'dotnet48' then hit OK. This will install the latest .Net from Windows. After this you can run the install package from Verbum. Don't forget to go back in after install and point the runner shortcut to the Verbum.exe executable.
.Net is the only requirement I found for Verbum, so it should be good to install. Like I said above, sometimes it has problems re-drawing portions of the interface after you change the layout. Just minimize & maximize again and it should look fine.
hey brother, ive been wanting to get into the raspberry pi and i wanted to get a kit that would turn it in a laptop. these should work well for me. i need this for notes and commentaries.
for the longest time i've been just installing wine and getting e-sword to install with that. but I most often then not have some problems along the way. Not sure if you can somehow convert all the modules I use in e-sword onto BibleTime
If you are an experienced C programmer, you can convert e-Sword resources to Sword Project file formats. If you are up to that task, I'd recomend writing something that can also convert MySword, TheWord, and BibleAnalyzer modules to TSP file formats, and releasing it on GitHub under a FLOSS licence. One of the big limitations of Xiphos/BibleTime/etc. is the lack of resources other than Bibles, when compared to e-Sword, MySword, TheWord, etc. Somewhere out in cyberspace, is a blog post / chart comparing e-Sword resources to those found in various packages of BibleWorks, Accordance, Logos, PC-Bible, QuickVerse. IIRC, it was at the US$1,000 level packages, that e-Sword started looking pretty bad. However, I've also found more than one seminary telling students to get Logos and e-Sword. Get PD content for e-Sword, and recent, expensive resources for Logos.
Has anyone successfully installed the diatheke app to do bible parsing from the command line? I installed in Ubuntu but when I do a verse search, the verse shows up duplicated. (ex.) My User:~$> diatheke -b ESV - k John 11:35 +++gives me the following result+++ John 11:35: Jesus wept. : Jesus wept. (ESV)
I don't know what shell you're using, you could create a shell function that pipes the output to "sed 1q" or "head -1" (either one will do the same). That will print only the first line of output and delete the rest. Put the function in ~/.bashrc or your shell startup script for reuse each time you logon.
@@EricPement Thanks. I haven't fiddled with this in awhile but that makes sense. I have since updated to Arch but I have not installed diatheke on this machine to try that yet.
Hello, Tom; Thank you for all you do. If you want to see the original Greek of the Christian Scriptures I suggest you do it online. The text of Westcott and Hort's "The New Testament in the Original Greek" w/ an interlinear translation is available at < wol.jw.org/en/wol/binav/r1/lp-e/int >. Also at that site are these English translations; The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, 1985 King James Version, 1611 American Standard Version, 1901 The Bible in Living English, Steven T. Byington It also has the modern English New World Translation in a few versions. Have a GREAT day, Neighbor!
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Not a Christian but I think that you doing the video is really cool. It's nice and refreshing to see people be themselves and share there perspectives.
Doh, thought it was an about 2 Linux Bibles. Not 2 Linux based programs to read The Bible. Haha.
Hey, very cool video! Thank you! I'm a Linux user going back to the mid 90s... and a Christian (we're a rare breed). :-) Have a sub. I'll comment on your videos, and hope you don't take too much offense to any corrections I make.
When introducing newbies to Linux, I understand using analogies to make it "easier to understand." But I also think it's important to give more precise/accurate information, in order to familiarize them with the technologies involved.
SWORD is an API... not so much a server, but a library that presents a standardized facility for user programs to access data. In the same way that PulseAudio libraries/drivers allow the operating system to pipe sound to speakers, or QT/GTK+ libraries allow GUI applications to draw windows on a user's screen. It's a fancy way of saying, a standardized and easy way for a program to access/manipulate data. Most (all?) modern software uses libraries in this way... even standard C library is an external file that "serves" a standard programming interface to all of the C programs running on our computers, whether Linux, Windows or otherwise.
(Familiar with Windows, and ever been prompted by a piece of software or game to install Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime? Yeah, it was downloading C++ libraries that the program needs to run and interact with your computer. Just like SWORD.)
It's unfortunate that Crossway is seemingly making it hard to get their Bible text? I get it, Bible publishers need to make money, but... are they really going to miss out on Bible sales if someone has it available in their Bible software? And at that point, is it worth depriving someone of it? Seems the tiny amount of money they might lose could easily be chalked up as "charity." I prefer the KJV for serious bible study (due to Strong's concordance and some other tools), but ESV is a good "casual reading" bible (which, again, is not really what PC bible software is about.) NASB is decent enough.
I found your channel by searching google for "Bibletime vs Xiphos"... I've used both in the past, but it's been awhile (under Windows I use e-sword, which coincidentally has nothing to do with the SWORD project library.) My main concerns are flexibility of interface and Strong's numbers.
I run KDE nowadays, so BibleTime is the obvious choice (2023). Installing sources for the time, although Crossway is selected... I was not offered to download ESV. Maybe things will change after the initial setup.
Hi Merc, you might like my Christian content, too: ruclips.net/user/ourwalkinchrist
Where do you get NIV Version of the bible?... Thanks for the tip for NASB, that is great. would also like to use NIV.. thoes are really the only 2 I use
theWord on Linux with Wine.
I've been using this for quite a while and it is the best one I have ever used.
Of course, Esword can also be run on linux with Wine.
I have used e-sword, Logos, Blue letter bible to do study. I've been trying to sneak away to Linux but most of my friends are still into Google. I've just loaded Brave Browser on the machine I have Linux on. I'm Using Bohdi as my distro. I loaded Lubuntu as a desktop environment.I use Lubuntu as a workaround to set up a desktop. It runs pretty fast. I'm trying to set up a Linux only machine. Thx for this post .
I switched to linux not long ago after many years of trying. I bought a system 76 laptop with pop os preinstalled and I made a virtual box of windows 10 to run logos, esword and accordance. This setup works great. The people at system 76 really put together a good system. All that said I am trying both xiphos and bibletime and they are good but not as many translations and commentaries
Also I forgot to say I use the Life bible online formally Tecarta and before that Tyndale. I have a year subscription and it is full of different translations and commentaries
Great video question now I can't find the esv in either app. I do have esword for windows but since making the switch to linux I want to use linux programs. I do have logos and use the online version
ESV was pulled from the sword applications because crossway got money hungry and demanded hundreds of thousands of dollars for licencing. They did the same to the SBC, so the SBC created their own translation. You might be able to buy it directly from them, or you might find it on a repository somewhere if you look, but that one might be a pirated copy, so I would look to buy it from them instead.
Thank you! I was looking for an alternative to Logos' web-app (for making videos).
FYI, neither Bible Time nor Xiphos offer DEBs or RPMs. The expectation is that distros will compile them, which is emphatically not the case.
Thanks for doing the review. I was hoping that you knew of something for Linux that was more akin to Accordance, Logos Library Systems, or BibleWorks.
BibleTime has a flatpak
@@SwitchedtoLinux Pondering on what you've said about flatpak and system security.
Still, it probably is more secure than BibleWorks8 and WINE. (Bibleworks is out of business. BibleWorks 10 was the last version to be released.)
Bob Pritchard knows Logos is used in places where possession of a Bible results in automatic executation without trial, so including so much tracking makes their corporate policies very questionable to me.
@@SwitchedtoLinux I have just installed the flatpak on Solus Linux
As former Orthodox Christian and now atheist I'd like it if you could go more in depth on Bible time. While I'm not going to come back to the faith as it were I would like to know more about this program and more importantly about the resources behind it. I don't think I've ever had the chance to read the entire apocrypha and pseudepigrapha. Not to mention that I'd love to have access to some of the older translation of the old and new testaments.
And if anyone is wondering why an atheist would be interested in this, well, why wouldn't I. I might think this is just fancy, but not only have these myths influence by culture, but even just in a vacuum, they're still as interesting and worth studying as the norse or greco-roman myths.
EDIT. Never mind about Bibletime, It's not in the Solus repos and has no appimmage so I'm going to have to look at Xiphos.
In FLOSS Biblical software, Orthodox Christian resources are conspicious by their absence. If you're intererested in Deutetocanonical and pseodopigraphal material, collecting epubs and PDFs will result in a more comprehensive survey, than collecting resources for the software.
Thanks for the demos.
On Android I usually use Andbible, on desktop I run Bibleworks 9 on wine. You can get 95% of the same functionality on free software, but for academic research the search on lemma function is worth that extra 200€. Too bad it is discontinued.
With careful module construction, and a deep knowledge of SQL, one can do all 5 tasks in the [i]2009 Bible Software Shootout[/i] using e-Sword resources.
You will need to create at least a dozen resources to do so. Only the first task can be completely done from within e-Sword. The fifth task can only be done using SQL inquiries. The middle 3 can be partially done from within e-Sword, if one has created the appropriate resources. You'll need to handcraft SQL inquiries to complete them.
Which is a round about way of saying e-Sword can do sort of do lemma searches.
There is/was a gratis Bible Software for Windows that has lemma searching built in, but I don't remember which one/what it is called.
In theory, you can write a function that does lemma searches for any Sword Project front end. You'd be using RegEx rather than SQL. In practice, it isn't something that mere mortals can do.
What version are you using? My BT looks like it was designed in 1994.....
Is there a good Open Source Linux "Audio Bible" Software, you could recommend, for the seeing impaired?
Yes.
@@SwitchedtoLinux OK, I installed Xiphos and Bibletime on Linux Mint. I couldn't find a text to voice option for Bibletime. Xiphos does have text to voice audio, but it sounds very robotic and it's hard to listen to. I tried installing different voices (US English female and male voices), but the other U.S. English voices don't work. Do you have or know of any videos that tell you how to install a better (less robotic/more human) voice that works on Xiphos? Thanks🙂
@@SwitchedtoLinux Have you tried Drex Bible? They say Drex has professional text to audio narrators. I couldn't find any YT reviews on the Drex Bible. If you recommend it, is it better to install it from APKpure or should I install it from Snapcraft? My understanding is that the Snap dowload is a much larger file than the APK.
I was able to get the Verbum program (Catholic version of Logos) running through Lutris. Just install using the latest Wine and the latest .Net. Works pretty well. Sometimes there are display problems, but just minimize/maximize, and it fixes itself.
Is there a Lutris install script?
Father,
No there isn't. You're going to want to grab the install file from Verbum. Then follow the instructions here to install it:
ruclips.net/video/xZpCNh46G4Q/видео.html
Make sure and select Wine for your runner.
This part is weird, because Lutris kind of hides the menu you need in another menu:
After it's added to your library, right-click it and select 'Winetricks'. A window will pop up. Select 'Install an Application'. Hit 'Ok'. After the next window pops up, hit 'Cancel'. Another window will pop up. Select 'Install a Windows DLL or Component', then hit OK. Select 'dotnet48' then hit OK. This will install the latest .Net from Windows.
After this you can run the install package from Verbum. Don't forget to go back in after install and point the runner shortcut to the Verbum.exe executable.
.Net is the only requirement I found for Verbum, so it should be good to install. Like I said above, sometimes it has problems re-drawing portions of the interface after you change the layout. Just minimize & maximize again and it should look fine.
@@starlightatdusk4896 Thanks! Gonna do that now.
Were you able to get it to work?
Thank you
hey brother, ive been wanting to get into the raspberry pi and i wanted to get a kit that would turn it in a laptop. these should work well for me. i need this for notes and commentaries.
it appears they dont have the NASB anymore, never even heard of it until this video
Mysword is my pick for android.
for the longest time i've been just installing wine and getting e-sword to install with that. but I most often then not have some problems along the way. Not sure if you can somehow convert all the modules I use in e-sword onto BibleTime
If you are an experienced C programmer, you can convert e-Sword resources to Sword Project file formats. If you are up to that task, I'd recomend writing something that can also convert MySword, TheWord, and BibleAnalyzer modules to TSP file formats, and releasing it on GitHub under a FLOSS licence.
One of the big limitations of Xiphos/BibleTime/etc. is the lack of resources other than Bibles, when compared to e-Sword, MySword, TheWord, etc. Somewhere out in cyberspace, is a blog post / chart comparing e-Sword resources to those found in various packages of BibleWorks, Accordance, Logos, PC-Bible, QuickVerse. IIRC, it was at the US$1,000 level packages, that e-Sword started looking pretty bad. However, I've also found more than one seminary telling students to get Logos and e-Sword. Get PD content for e-Sword, and recent, expensive resources for Logos.
Has anyone successfully installed the diatheke app to do bible parsing from the command line? I installed in Ubuntu but when I do a verse search, the verse shows up duplicated.
(ex.) My User:~$> diatheke -b ESV - k John 11:35
+++gives me the following result+++
John 11:35: Jesus wept.
: Jesus wept.
(ESV)
I don't know what shell you're using, you could create a shell function that pipes the output to "sed 1q" or "head -1" (either one will do the same). That will print only the first line of output and delete the rest. Put the function in ~/.bashrc or your shell startup script for reuse each time you logon.
@@EricPement Thanks. I haven't fiddled with this in awhile but that makes sense. I have since updated to Arch but I have not installed diatheke on this machine to try that yet.
Hello, Tom;
Thank you for all you do.
If you want to see the original Greek of the Christian Scriptures I suggest you do it online.
The text of Westcott and Hort's "The New Testament in the Original Greek" w/ an interlinear translation is available at < wol.jw.org/en/wol/binav/r1/lp-e/int >.
Also at that site are these English translations;
The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, 1985
King James Version, 1611
American Standard Version, 1901
The Bible in Living English, Steven T. Byington
It also has the modern English New World Translation in a few versions.
Have a GREAT day, Neighbor!