As a musician who experiences large amounts of dopamine while performing, I can say it’s almost like the better a show the more real and painful reality feels the next day
Got goosebumps from this . This was my downfall as an aspiring musician . I wouldn’t use before performing , I would naturally be high on nerves and then ride that high through the show and the night . The next day , when the crowd was gone and I was back at my shitty day job the only thing I could do to operate was cocaine and “dreaming” about how I was meant for more
Not sure how and why this comment popped up as the first comment I'm reading, but yes, that is wayyy too true. Or sometimes you face big victories with music, but its almost always that the next moment after that is feeling like you're not good enough. Kinda like riding constant never-ending up and down cycles.
Man I wish Eddie Hall could hear this. I remember when he broke the world deadlift record in front of a crowd of thousands. Imagine that dopamine release? World record, cheering crowd, and years of training culminating in one moment? Then he talks about how low he was the very next day. Like beyond depressed. This makes more sense now.
You can't have highs without lows. That's why so much of addiction counseling has to do with keeping things calm and normal. Extreme boredom needs to be countered with extreme excitement. Extreme happiness needs to be countered with extreme sadness.
Simply thinking about this experience gives me a dopamine rush. I can not being to imagine his high and low. I wonder what he could have done after that experience to blunt the low. Would be very cool to listen to Eddie talk to Huberman.
What Andrew said about pornography is very true, completely messes with your dopamine levels. I feel like in the next 5-10 years a lot more people will really see the effects of pornography on the brain
I started when I was 12ish. I’m 35 now and it’s the only “drug” I’ve ever done and had been so difficult to shake off. This stuff is a big deal and only now are people (men) actually talking about it.
@@MulhollandFIT by whom and against whom? I’ve worked with exceptional people with incredible talents and critical thinking. Something I’ve always asked myself was, “I wonder if they watch p*rn”? I grew up in a strict Christian environment so I also have that mentality that makes any type of wrong doing 100x worse on the psyche.
I suffer from to much dopamine chasing. Thanks for making me more aware of my dopamine roller coaster ride. Videos like this indicate to me the world is getting better.
'The world is getting better'.. that's a lovely thing to say, and a reminder not to chase the constant negativity that the media wants to throw at us. A reminder that there are good people out there. Yesterday I was feeling a bit down. A woman stopped to ask me if I needed help, as I was loaded up with some shopping.. we chatted briefly...That's all it takes to brighten someone's spirit. Be kind as much as you can 🙏💕
@@bravenraps1995 You're right, is should have clarified. He is a neuroscientist, but some info he peddles is pseudoscience and not backed by actual neuroscience research. Not everything, he's just a guy that delves into stuff way beyond his degree.
as a guy who drank coffee and redbull while tweaking on meth, i can assure you that your dompamine levels will return to normal. it just takes a while to recover from that lol. one day at a time my friend. 😎👍
I would say that depends on your baseline of natural dopamine levels. I have ADHD (low dopamine levels) and I take low doses of Vyvance (Dexamphetamine) and I never have to increase the dosage. I just skip 3-5 days occasionally to get my sleeping pattern to normal again and I don't even crash when doing so. My guess is that since I don't actually push my dopamine levels too much over "normal" there is no strong downregulation of the dopamine receptors.
First month sober and can already feel it returning. Looottts of meth and heroine. A lot. First little bit is hell but once you can start making the days, you’re through it. Nights might be hell for a bit but, at least to me, that’s manageable
If anyone else is struggling with this as I have. Saunas work wonders. Saunas release those dienorphins and really help reset that dopamine balance. 15-20 minutes will do wonders for your mental health. Stay strong 💪🏼💪🏼
I usually jump in a dry sauna for 3 minutes before a workout to get the blood flow to my joints. After I try to get in another 10 minutes for the reasons you mentioned.
@@BRICKSINSILKit honestly did for me. When I watched porn I was very miserable, then I stopped and started living a healthier lifestyle and it completely changed my life. We shouldn't downplay how important these things are.
Basically what from I understand is that after every amount of dopamine, a phase of "feeling down" comes along but the trick is not to try to hype yourself up again by finding more dopamine but instead just let it reset on its own and just push trough stuff with discipline that usually goes very well when you have dopamine, during the reset that is
Bingo. Pain is inevitable and a definite part of life. It also makes us appreciate good moments, so how can we run away from something that will happen no matter what ?
TAKEAWAYS 1. Dopamine is a non infinite but renewable resource 2. after a high dopamin state it crashes below the baseline which results in craving becoming the bases of addiction 3. wide open pupils means that the person is in an high dopamine state 4. it is normal to start fealing demotivated after short period of time after starting a task as the dopamine wears off
I imagine that you, and other people who do this sort of 'bullet point summary' mean well, but I wish you'd stop for a moment to really reflect on the consequences of your actions. Giving people a summary of a video that they haven't watched will lead many of them to not watch the video. This is a negative outcome for a few reasons: 1. It robs the content creator of 'watch time', which the RUclips algorithm uses to determine how useful, popular, etc., a video is. 2. It robs the potential viewer of an opportunity to practice attention/focus, which serves to reinforce the 'quick hit' mindset that just wants it's dopamine for learning a new thing with little to no effort, thereby contributing to their deficit in attention. 3. It inspires other people to do as you do -- some even resorting to using AI to summarize a video -- for the purpose of getting attention via 'Likes' on their comment and also via comments in reply such as "MVP" and "Thanks for saving me the time", etc. Now, to those who will jump in to say how useful such a bullet-point list is to them, I say: *create your own list, and keep it private.* This gives you some exercise in attention, and it also allows you to absorb the points by considering them within the context that the video presents them. Everyone is different, and context is super, super important in helping us to understand and to organize learning in ways that are specific to each individual. So... do your own note-taking, and don't share it as a public comment. I'm giving you the benefit of doubt that you're sincerely wanting to be helpful, rather than just an attention /like hound. So with that said, please: *stop making bullet-point comments.* You will be most helpful to the most amount of people by following this suggestion -- even if they disagree because they'd rather someone else do the listening for them. And, for those who want to point out that they have some sort of learning deficit, and that such bullet-point lists are truly helpful to them: work through it with a caring family member or friend. Your struggle to learn, remember, organize, understand, etc., does not excuse robbing the content creator of their due 'watch time'. This should be a 'win-win' outcome for both the creator and the viewer, and that only happens when people exchange their time (watch-time) for information.
This clip popped up at the perfect time. I've struggled with depression my whole life, and various addictions including coke and alcohol, I quit those long ago but still smoke tobbaco and also have a crazy caffeine habit, I quit smoking weed 1 month ago (smoked for 30 yrs) and I now realise how reliant I was on it to function. Next thing on the list is quitting tobbaco. The comments in this thread plus people like Jocko and guests give me hope and drive to succeed in my mission.
I am learning to endure more struggles and uncomfortable situations as a mental training thanks to all of the info about doing hard things for better health and self-confidence. I went biking 40 minutes in the rain today...started out just spitting a bit but I decided in the last year that mother nature does not dictate if I bike or not and I go anyways. I can come home and take a hot shower and have a hot tea...I am fine. The best thing about biking on the bike path in the rain ...barely anyone out so no one to pass.
As someone with ADHD I’ve found that regular exercise works better than stimulants. It gives me physical and mental strenght to go on with my life. Because of the lower baseline of dopamine I have to exercise consistently every day or the habit will break and the drop will be too painful.
I mean does this explain why I hit seriously strong periods of training and then can’t even bring myself to go to the gym ? Because I get a crazy level of dopamine from training but then crash
@bradleyharewood7289 Reward yourself but only after you've done what needs done, otherwise you get nothing. That works for me, and never give anything but your all.
@@originalityisdead.9513 no don't reward urself after the work/training.Try to evoke reward from the effort or hard work itself.Andrew mentioned this before, focusing on the reward as the end goal causes ur brain to dislike doing the work and it will feel more challenging, u won't feel motivated to return back to work the next day.Instead, focus on enjoying the work, tell yourself that the work is fun and rewarding even though it's painful.
Thanks you for sharing this podcast! I like the idea that dopamine is a renewable but not infinite resource. It helps me be more realistic when following through with goals and being patient with myself during the times that I do have to push through and just get it done. It is a reminder that the lower level of dopamine release is a temporary feeling. And we dont need to chase that rush and mess up our brains in the process by overloading ourselves with dopamine (in the forms of addiction). It is like chasing the first high of falling in love or drug addiction.
2 weeks ago I completed some pretty intense military prerequisites for a certain “school” I want to be approved for. I did it last minute and wasn’t 100% physically prepared AND I’m 34. I passed my “tests” it was a huge victory on many levels, personally and professionally. I could not figure out what the hell is wrong with me and why I feel like I’m in a “valley”. Recovery took forever and I’m still having very mediocre workouts. I was so confused as to why until now.
I believe if you’re depressed or lacking dopamine for a while the reverse could happened. You only have motivation if something good happened. I believe that’s where suffering geniuses come from. Their brain lack in dopamine production that only certain reward/activities work for them and they have to keep chasing that stimulus
How long did your "recovery" take? I have experienced the same "thing" as you; feeling "lost" after intense experiences/"substance use" The "valley" has been pretty hard, and "taking" a while to get "out" of "Andrew" has been really "good" at breaking "this" stuff down "and" explaining how dopamine drives "all" this "stuff"
I did 22+ years in the military (nothing epic like Jocko's career) and when I look back on some of my more intense exploits and how I reacted to them & after the events/achievements/failures videos like these help me to make sense of why my brain works/doesn't work as it relates to dopamine regulation. Truly fascinating watching this "meeting of the minds" video. It's some very high octane education!
As an addict, I have not been taught this in 3 rehab stints. I now understand the actions (non drug) that I was doing for dopamine hits. Really helps me understand what can lead to craving that nasty shit. Much love ❤️
It seems like they're always spiritual and trauma focused, and while those things are important they really do need to talk about the mechanical processes of the body. Once I realized it wasn't just my messed up psyche everything began to incrementally change for me.
as someone in the process of breaking free from adderall dependence, this is very true. the crash of dopamine is quite literally painful. to say the least.
These molecules are designed to create activation states in the body. And dopamine is the molecule of motivation, pursuit + desire. BOOM! You know when you hear something again and it sounds really fresh? Motivation. Pursuit. Desire. And when our dopamine dips, it's no wonder people feel isolated, sad and pained after a peak experience. Whether that's feeling low with post-music festival blues, or like how Nicole Kidman said she felt super lonely after winning an academy award. The main message I am taking away is: Chill after a dopamine hit, in order to let the body reset - more balance and modulation. And to notice what my state is like before, during and after behaviour, and notice when I am chasing more dopamine. Be a scientist to myself! Great clip, thanks!
Detoxing both mentally and physically is key. Physical pain makes for mental and mental for physical. There is a point when one can go well too far for either when trying to repair or prevent damage.
This is key knowledge for so many people ! On my good days I often go too hard and then crash the next day into depression so I have to remind myself to take it easy on the good days. this video explains that mechanism so well ! thanks for sharing
''depression" typically implies sadness. Do you wake up feeling sad or just not as high as the day before? It does make sense that when you go super hard, you'll be tired later on, right?
@@andrabook8758 good question, Yeah really low mood. I'm mostly talking seeing a lot of people or getting a ton of things done on those good days. Good workouts dont burn me out I dont think. Its sometimes hard to not get really productive or social when I feel that good maybe working out is able to balance out those extreme highs
@@neoanderson6128 get up and lift or go for a run. It got me through six months of heavy sadness/ waking up thinking about self deleting. When I realised I could do something myself that took the pain away.
@@neoanderson6128 well then it just sounds normal to me. You have a lot of energy, you burn it off and then you're tired. You can try to mediocre-burning, instead of going all out, to balance it off, instead of gonig full out until you crash....but otherwise it seems pretty normal. No matter what your energy levels are, if you go to extreme's you're gonna crash eventually. People just have different tiping points. How long does it last? How many days in a row? or is it just like 1 day at a time? and how much? like is it 3 hrs at the gym lifting 300 lb continuously and like 2-3 days club hoping or more like an hour a day and some get togethers?
I feel like andrew could come up with a unified explanation of the mind and brain. He knows so much about the mechanics it’s a not just info dumping he lives in this knowledge of the mind.
I am not a sport person in any way but I think I can relate to that dopamine rollercoaster . When I listen for a prolonged time, say couple hours, to music type that I really like and enjoy, later on I usually feel a bit down, a bit sad. So that could be it. Dopamine up and down.
this makes so much friggin sense. I'm so thankful to have seen this on my feed. I get a lot f performance anxiety when I lift-- and I lift alone-- and it's bc I hype myself up for a workout and then when I get there, I get nervous. I don't want to follow through when, logically, I understand that I like lifting. I understand that I enjoy working out and I like how it makes me feel. but I crash just enough to where my brain goes executive dysfunction and it's like "but what if you didn't?"
I’m in the course of cutting all synthetic dopamine out (porn, social media, marijuana, etc.), it’s painful but life in general feels more rewarding and manageable. Don’t stop reminding yourself of want you need to take control of your life.
I mean, you can have ALL of those things but just exercise your own personal discipline to not allow it to get out of control in your usage everyday. People are not realizing that what Andrew says here is to not quit everything, but simply to manage your usages of these dopamine releases. Exercise your discipline and only ONE of those dangerous activities a day. Focus on the length of time with your usage and reduce it. Slowly, you'll be able to do ALL of those things, but in a much more reasonable way to manage your baseline.
@@WokeAFMillennial you're ignoring personal differences, for many of us a little bit is risky because it escalates easily. Plus what the heck is upside to watching porn? Every aspect of it is bad for you (unless you're watching slow romantic stuff with realistic looking people who aren't there for money, which doesn't exist). It's like saying you can do just a little bit of meth if you train yourself
A man who studies the existance that is... Me, My body, My life. BOom. Dudes smart, gave me new ways to think about my life in a measurable way (INTJ) and im ADHD so I really struggle with dopamine and the feeling of chasing it and then crashing.
Absolutely amazing. So many have no idea what he is actually talking about. I do and it is extremely refreshing because when I try to talk to people about this type of thing they look at me crazy and have no idea what I am talking about lol. The human body/dopamine etc is so fascinating.
So thankful for coming across Joe rogan’s podcast. I first found Andrew Huberman on there and he spoke about testosterone and exercising-things of that matter. It’s crazy because with this neuroscience stuff I’m able to realize so much about certain patterns that I have that I wasn’t aware of but I can now try and dive a bit deep and see what I can do
Facts! I’m an ex-addict/addict in recovery (6 years 5 month 1 day clean) This is the exact definition of addiction. Even when you want nothing more than to not use any More, you drop below base so far, that you’re on day 5 and in such physical pain over the last 5 days, that your body cannot get out of bed without the drug. Thus, you use it after going days without and you’re right back at square one. Truly awful
Yeah man. I'm 16 day sober. I almost relapsed yesterday and today. But I held on strong. I just have to accept the fact that I will always have pull to relapse. Huberman helped me a ton for sure.
I was on Ripped Fuel and Hydoxycut all in the 90's...I was also anorexic, I ran 15-18 miles a day then would rollerblade all afternoon..I now respect my body, I absolutely respect the brain & hormones..Thank you for this education into our bodies/brains:)
I've seen Jacko on Rogan. I've been an RN since '83. This episode is for me an example of when one knows something globally and then happening onto a site that takes into the specifics. When knowledge is presented in a way that the recipient takes in and can see the common sense of it, it's a good day. To learn how something is constructed, its uses, how it works as well as how and why it deconstructs and reconstructs are key to learning how to modulate and the, " whys " and effects behind disregulation.
Great interview. Modern day life really does take a lot of discipline with almost limitless high dopamine activities. The most rewarding activates long term though are usually the ones other people are not willing to do.
Yeah just think in the past, it was the complete opposite. 90% of people were farmers, so basically you'd spend half the year working hard to absolutely no reward and then BAM! harvest time comes and all that hard work is (god(s) willing) paid off. No wonder ancient agricultural societies formulated their religions so heavily around the agricultural cycle and celebrated so much after a successful harvest.
@@gammamaster1894 or even going back in to the house at the end of the day for the hot dinner (if food is available) that the women cooked up, after you've been performing the same movements for 7 hrs that day and just staring at plant stalks and dirt. Imagine how exciting that dinner was! And just the chance to relax and chat with your extended family! We have given ourselves as a race too much
Skydiving, I had a interesting one off experience of this dopamine expenditure when I was in my twenties. I had done a few jumps one day and then that night I caught up with some friends for a little party at their new property. We all had some ecctasy which was not too usual as we occasionally enjoyed such things. It had zero effect on me while everyone else, that hadn't jumped out of a plane that day, experienced the usual effect of the drug. I just got tired as I normally would as the night wore on and went to sleep while my friends kept dancing and having a great time. Interesting.
@Pilgrim17 it would be very unusual for just one pill out of a whole batch to be a dud. The most likely cause is my brain had already released a large amount of dopamine, serotonin and norepinephrine and therefore and no more in reserve to release. My body needed more time to build up the molecules again and that's why the drug didn't so anything as that's how it has its effect by triggering the release of these chemicals from their storage sites.
Now I know next time I wanna pop some molly not to jump out of a plane before. Thanks bro. Next time though maybe try popping some molly an hr before your jump for best results. Lol
@@jedi77palmer haha ya I’ve gone twice, once with an instructor and once by myself, there’s defiantly a lot of information to process as your falling to the earth out of a plane by yourself
enjoyed this. As someone coming out of a Long "Cannabis Coma" (45yrs.) a lot of areas were hit. The Porn plague was even longer (12 to 63!) Heineken's and Stoli were also in the Land of NUMB. Well with these cunning distractions, eating properly was non-existent (those Fast "food" places were at least avoided!) Anyways the Clouds been Lifted and it's been LONG overdue. Even had to delete Tik-Tok, because having an Addictive personality (Obviously) I felt the "need" to respond to a third of the content. Which was Nuts but fit the dope-a- mean Hunger. So needless to say this was a Good subject manner for me and I immediately subscribed with the hope that, if the other episodes are half as good, then I'm in a helpful zone. Thanks! That woman that you referenced, Lemke has a new book out on dopamine + it's not too bad. something like "Dopamine nation". Peace
Hey how are you doing so far? I hope you’re feeling better! I’m on the same path my friend, we are in the helpful area indeed now. Wishing you the best of life and keep on healing. We deserve a healthier life ❤️
I experienced this today. Last night I finally got to see my kids after 1 month. I'm used to being with them everyday. I was granted 4 hours with them. When I got home I was so happy and "high" from my visit that i couldn't even sleep. Today I am depressed again!
My Dopamine is fried then. I always try to stay stimulated In some form of the other be it through training or working towards goals. This was enlightening
This would definitely help someone in recovery and I wish I would’ve known this when I was in rehab in Florida. I used coffee and exercise to cope with being sober
yes exercise has shown to be the most effective tool against depression and among many other mental health problems that arise from a deficiency in dopamine/endorphins etc.
Cope with being sober 😂 could definitely be worse. I would say that’s probably one of the best combinations you could be addicted to. Least you didn’t choose meth and masterbaiting
I think the people really tested in their early years, that had many ups and downs, achieving a lot, doing cool, crazy shit, and had to partially struggle financially/mentally, can learn to be level minded for the most part. And when we get super happy for some time, the come down isn’t as bad just from us being aware it exists.
I've never liked something controlling me and my decisions, so as soon as i feel a draw towards a "need" for something, i immediately cut it off.. so caffeine or addictive substances have never been a thing for me. I just have to find something enjoyable and challenging in order to be motivated to pursue it. Whether that's really digging into a topic to write a book about, because it's so darn cool to share with others and then i get to master my knowledge about that topic... or whether it's exercise by doing something physically challenging that can also engage my creativity, like dance and aerial arts! If i don't enjoy it and can't push myself so that i feel like I'm progressing in something and mastering myself in a new way, I'm not about it!
"I've never liked something controlling me and my decisions, so as soon as i feel a draw towards a "need" for something, i immediately cut it off.. so caffeine or addictive substances have never been a thing for me". I used to think like that and didn't use coffee for decades. I do now though. I'm far from being an "addict" but it slowly creeps on you. It started for me before long road cycling rides, the during them also (they often last 3-5 hours), then before weight training, etc. I found coffee doesn't help me at all for mental focus, but for physical activities it does. But I had your exact philosophy so keep it as long as you can, forever if possible ;)
The post depression after huge dopamine spikes makes me think of how a Rockstar feels after a show. Maybe that depression perpetuates more drug use and whatever else
The crash feels painful. YES and YES. I've been through it after years of big workloads, taking care of a dying parent, and finishing a lot of goals. My crash also coincided with depression, after my dad died, to make it even worse.
I'm in the exact same situation at the moment. Taking care of a dying parent, and also a load of work to do, moving together with girlfriend... I hope you are good now. I'm fortunately still am, but just have a bad unmotivated morning. :)
My parents sucked I always find it odd people really loving and missing their parents bro I could give AF less. A little traumatized a little chip yeah it is what it is tho. Look into REAL 5-meo DMT could help you in your journey and help you have a new perspective on death.
A strict 10 day silent retreat in a monk run temple where you get kicked out for not following the rules and have to wake up at 4 am everyday will give you a total dopamine reset.
When I was in grad school AFTER a big test in a subject I liked, that I studied immensely for I would feel great, not overdone but generally great AND all the information I learned finally ‘clicked’ and I connected to it. I did not crash…wondered what was up with dopamine for me. However, if it was a test that I did not like, like the high stakes licensing exams, I felt absolutely terrible. PS would love to hear how oxytocin fits into this in regards to caring for young children.
I think that has something to do with what we see as rewarding or threatening. Like in the first scenario, the process spikes dopamine throughout and is somewhat independent of the outcome so like there isn't much of a peak where as when the stakes are high, there is so much more adrenaline,dopamine and hence I guess the peak. Idk just my observations being an extremely anxious person, It would take me so much effort to get anything done and when it got done, I would feel absolutely shit when it wasn't upto my unrealistic expectations and also I would loathe the process. Whereas on things I enjoyed, I would forget eating and going to the loo.
This is one of the many reasons moods fluctuate so much. Do you wonder why some days you feel like you're on top of the world and then other days down in the dumps? Yeah, we all go through it, because it's the natural ebb and flow of things that happen within our bodies.
Riding a motorcycle out on the back roads and forest trails …almost makes my soul new again . No past , no future , just being in the present , soaking up the whole universe , eight hours can seem like two hours .
I can’t produce dopamine due to young onset Parkinson’s. Aged 41. My life is living hell and it’s only early stages. So movement issues are still minor. My sense of smell detects everything as sick smelling like vomit. Permanent brain fog. No libido. No interest in doing anything at all. Can’t focus on basic tasks. Lost my career in the film industry. On brink of losing minimum wage part time job. No savings. No pension. Nothing to live for. If you can do one thing for yourself it would be to do everything in your power to protect your dopamine system. I lived a reasonably healthy lifestyle but made a few errors I regret I.e. smoked a bit of weed for a year or so, don’t have gratitude for the good things in my life and allowed negative thoughts to run away with me. I plan on taking my own life before things get much worse. Hopefully something better is waiting
Do you still have parents who are alive? If so, consider postponing your end game until they've passed. Some people never recover from this, and they will carry the weight you cast off. As a licensed taxidermist... my advice would be to try living in another country, who knows maybe you'll gain a new perspective and find something that is greater than the pain of living? Good luck Dave!
@@chiefenumclaw7960 thanks for the response. unfortunately my financial and health circumstances prevent me moving to a different country. Without dopamine it would be near impossible task and emotionally meaningless anyway
@@SCHOFIELD81 Before doing anything, please, seek counseling and talk to people. Talk to at least one family member, one friend, one professional therapist, and one religious leader you trust. Sometimes you can't see a way out of a situation now, from yours perspective, but someone from outside can, and they might help you see it too. If after doing this you still don't change your mind, I only ask you to search for an answer to the big questions of life before going. Because these answers can define what will happen to you in the afterlife. I personally think there are solid evidences that God exists and came to the word as Jesus to reconcile humanity with him. And I think you should investigate this matter further. Because if this is actually true, there is really a God out there that loves you and want to have a relationship with you. And this relationship may change the way you see the world and your life. And it maybe may change your mind about taking your own life, or at least give you a reassurance about your destiny in the afterlife. God bless you.
This guy is spot on.Chop Wood ,Carry Water...I read a book that described this...A book on depression which also mentioned the depletion of brain chemicals after a good experience.
Everything in life is a dopamine hit and the more enjoyment it gives you the more addicted to that dope or activity you become until you detox. This is the key to addictive behavior
Interesting thing about addiction: opiate based addictions can be circumvented by oxytocin, as oxytocin prevents opiate tolerance from developing. This way for example the oxytocin and opiate providing motherly touch is rewarding without developing tolerance, whereas opiate based drugs lack the oxytocin component. Read this in Jaak Panksepp’s research and thought it was profound in relation to addiction and human relations.
@@mrfatuchia nd looking into a Dog's eye. At least I think Joe Rogan said that. Haha, someone may wanna verify but something like no animal can stimulate oxtocin in human's besides looking into a dog's eyes; similar response to parents and their child. Now, depending on your interpretation that could be the canine hacking the human biology for a type of symbiote relationship, or true love. The third option is that God is a Dog. lol[
It's only the key to stopping the behaviour. If the behaviour is being used as a coping mechanism for an underlying problem, you also need to address what the underlying problem is.
Early morning workouts work for me it gets me amped for the day. Ans yes I was a Ripped Fuel junkie in the 90's it works. Dam you Twin Labs for changing the formula. A few heart attacks man up. Lol
Holy hell, I think I used to take that stuff a little bit. Twinlabs shit in the 1990's was the bomb - I got huge on it while doing three to four hours of weights five days a week.
Do you do any videos or interviews where you explain eating disorders? Or rather, would you be able to explain how dopamine works in a body if someone who is anorexic and does it have anything to do with it? Are there chemicals in the body to be aware of, specifically for anorexia to die and not kill you?
I've been abusing my Adderall for 5 years. I'm no longer in denial about it & can accept the truth without it triggering me. This video was exactly what I needed to see before I took another one. More milligrams aren't going to help me at this point today. Self-discipline, insight, & knowing the facts about how dopamine works....Is helping my cravings. My healing work will get finished when I finish. Thanks for "going there" when you mentioned Adderall. That comment was meant for me to hear & I thank you for sharing this info. U just saved my bottle from being empty & gave me the tools I needed to be aware of.
Yes same here. When he said adderall I was so intrigued because I been using it for work, study, and working out. I know I shouldn’t but I fear if I stop I might go back to not being as motivated.
Lucky you… I’m still trying to convince my meds-provider to put me back on the full dose of Adderall that I’ve been taking for years. It’s fucking sucks… They tell me I need to have motivation but they won’t give me the medicine that helps jumpstart me to even try to create a life where is self motivation is an option
Realy importent information. We all know this & have felt it to some degree. To understand what happens & why we feel the way we do is a different matter.
I’ve always worked out later in the day because i easily fell asleep afterwards and it felt extra satisfying to sleep when I get tired and wake up feeling refreshed. I only have 1 cup of black coffee as a pre workout and only listen to political or educational podcast while exercising.
After I crashed after years of working an extremely dynamic and violent type of career, I started TRT. Not for muscle quality or anything like that, but for psychological reasons. I was not capable of feeling happiness at even a basic level. Things that made me happy prior made me bored or tired. Now I’m good without the help of anti depressants or anti psychotic medication.
I find endorphines to be much more satisfying. I practice releasing endorphins through singing (mainly 90s grunge songs). It fees like a took a hydrocodone for a 5-7 minutes. some people get this feeling through running aka runners high but for me its via good 25 minute vocal sesh.
@@parousia2771 well sure but there's others on the internet that may not know about beta-morphine peptide. It's all dopamine mediated though too. As dopamine is an intermediate to endorphin production. So just be aware that it isn't an either or scenario. But do you do you. We all have to motivate ourselves somehow!
If I do something as seemingly trivial as have a video game session that's a little too long, I can feel my motivation to be productive drop significantly. It's simulated achievement that's too easy to get. I noticed this on weekends, when I don't have work or any other obligations. Sometimes I'll start the day with a little bit of Halo Infinite, maybe an hour or two. After I'm done it's like the weight of the day is increased. I'll dread getting my workout in, dread cleaning, etc. Compare that to days I start off productive, night and day. I make shit happen.
Dude totally. If I play a game too long I feel weird afterwards. Totally like a come down. That's why I don't like to play games until later in the day or evening. I know it's not good to start my day that way.
Bro i had this same epiphany this week. I’ve been grinding apex ranked and after a session of sometimes 3 hours I feel extremely lazy afterwards, totally unfocused on my homework, and dreading the days workout. It’s like the progression system within the game has skewed my means of wanting to progress at all in other things in my life. Going on a week long cleanse for now and going from there!
This has always been the interpretation of Dopamine across the scientific community, not Andrew specifically. The happiness thing was just a classic case of media miscommunication a scientific idea to gen pop.
As a musician who experiences large amounts of dopamine while performing, I can say it’s almost like the better a show the more real and painful reality feels the next day
Got goosebumps from this . This was my downfall as an aspiring musician . I wouldn’t use before performing , I would naturally be high on nerves and then ride that high through the show and the night . The next day , when the crowd was gone and I was back at my shitty day job the only thing I could do to operate was cocaine and “dreaming” about how I was meant for more
This is why I pop edibles and have a glass of whiskey before I perform. I'm not as present during the performance, but the come down is lessened...
woah that's nuts my dude
Wow that feeling finally clicked for me reading this. Couldn’t put my finger on it until now
Not sure how and why this comment popped up as the first comment I'm reading, but yes, that is wayyy too true. Or sometimes you face big victories with music, but its almost always that the next moment after that is feeling like you're not good enough. Kinda like riding constant never-ending up and down cycles.
Man I wish Eddie Hall could hear this. I remember when he broke the world deadlift record in front of a crowd of thousands. Imagine that dopamine release? World record, cheering crowd, and years of training culminating in one moment? Then he talks about how low he was the very next day. Like beyond depressed. This makes more sense now.
You can't have highs without lows.
That's why so much of addiction counseling has to do with keeping things calm and normal. Extreme boredom needs to be countered with extreme excitement. Extreme happiness needs to be countered with extreme sadness.
Great example, thanks
or the fact that he nearly killed himself doing that lift and his entire body, CNS, and endocrine system were out of whack contributing to the "low"
R. CD CB by
Simply thinking about this experience gives me a dopamine rush. I can not being to imagine his high and low. I wonder what he could have done after that experience to blunt the low. Would be very cool to listen to Eddie talk to Huberman.
What Andrew said about pornography is very true, completely messes with your dopamine levels. I feel like in the next 5-10 years a lot more people will really see the effects of pornography on the brain
It’s already happening what with all increase in anxiety and depression everywhere
I started when I was 12ish. I’m 35 now and it’s the only “drug” I’ve ever done and had been so difficult to shake off. This stuff is a big deal and only now are people (men) actually talking about it.
It’s already known.. porn is a weapon.
@@MulhollandFIT by whom and against whom? I’ve worked with exceptional people with incredible talents and critical thinking. Something I’ve always asked myself was, “I wonder if they watch p*rn”? I grew up in a strict Christian environment so I also have that mentality that makes any type of wrong doing 100x worse on the psyche.
It's been damaging people for decades.
I suffer from to much dopamine chasing. Thanks for making me more aware of my dopamine roller coaster ride. Videos like this indicate to me the world is getting better.
Most every human suffers from this, that's what (used to) make us able to grow as a species
the world is not getting better
Micscience.. Odds are you are getting better.. not so sure about “the world”..
@@jedlimen123 Well I was referring to the world that is not televised. The realistic world.
'The world is getting better'.. that's a lovely thing to say, and a reminder not to chase the constant negativity that the media wants to throw at us. A reminder that there are good people out there.
Yesterday I was feeling a bit down. A woman stopped to ask me if I needed help, as I was loaded up with some shopping.. we chatted briefly...That's all it takes to brighten someone's spirit. Be kind as much as you can 🙏💕
Andrew is a fantastic guest.
Agreed, despite being a pseudoscientist he was still a great guest, very entertaining to watch.
@@nogrammer A pseudoscientist???
Please explain why?
he's great at explainign this stuff :D!
@@nogrammerno he’s a real scientist
@@bravenraps1995 You're right, is should have clarified. He is a neuroscientist, but some info he peddles is pseudoscience and not backed by actual neuroscience research. Not everything, he's just a guy that delves into stuff way beyond his degree.
as a guy who drank coffee and redbull while tweaking on meth, i can assure you that your dompamine levels will return to normal. it just takes a while to recover from that lol. one day at a time my friend. 😎👍
I would say that depends on your baseline of natural dopamine levels. I have ADHD (low dopamine levels) and I take low doses of Vyvance (Dexamphetamine) and I never have to increase the dosage. I just skip 3-5 days occasionally to get my sleeping pattern to normal again and I don't even crash when doing so. My guess is that since I don't actually push my dopamine levels too much over "normal" there is no strong downregulation of the dopamine receptors.
3 months sober bro. It seems impossible at first but it gets easier day by day. Stay strong.
@@enshrinedbygrace you got this! Congrats, that's a lot of time bro. Thank you
you dont assure shit, you had that experience but most didnt. stay humble
First month sober and can already feel it returning. Looottts of meth and heroine. A lot. First little bit is hell but once you can start making the days, you’re through it. Nights might be hell for a bit but, at least to me, that’s manageable
If anyone else is struggling with this as I have. Saunas work wonders. Saunas release those dienorphins and really help reset that dopamine balance. 15-20 minutes will do wonders for your mental health. Stay strong 💪🏼💪🏼
i agree it really helps me focus after and relax too it’s great
I usually jump in a dry sauna for 3 minutes before a workout to get the blood flow to my joints. After I try to get in another 10 minutes for the reasons you mentioned.
Idk man. I may have an undiagnosed heart condition and end up dying like Zyzz.
@@manateerpg1396 what?
@@manateerpg1396 you don't due cuz of sauna. You should go check it out so you know what to avoid
This is literally the conversation to solve personal mysteries and depression cures, this goes beyond controlling happiness and sadness
Teens who grow up with Huberman are lucky, I wish I knew all this back in 2006 when I first started using the internet
Quitting porn and cutting away all booze is not going to suddenly summon the golden ticket levels of motivation you always hoped for...
@@BRICKSINSILKit honestly did for me. When I watched porn I was very miserable, then I stopped and started living a healthier lifestyle and it completely changed my life. We shouldn't downplay how important these things are.
Basically what from I understand is that after every amount of dopamine, a phase of "feeling down" comes along but the trick is not to try to hype yourself up again by finding more dopamine but instead just let it reset on its own and just push trough stuff with discipline that usually goes very well when you have dopamine, during the reset that is
Bingo. Pain is inevitable and a definite part of life. It also makes us appreciate good moments, so how can we run away from something that will happen no matter what ?
@@mindfulstoic3095been thinking about this so much lately and you summed it up perfectly
TAKEAWAYS
1. Dopamine is a non infinite but renewable resource
2. after a high dopamin state it crashes below the baseline which results in craving becoming the bases of addiction
3. wide open pupils means that the person is in an high dopamine state
4. it is normal to start fealing demotivated after short period of time after starting a task as the dopamine wears off
Yet opiates pin the eyes.
I imagine that you, and other people who do this sort of 'bullet point summary' mean well, but I wish you'd stop for a moment to really reflect on the consequences of your actions.
Giving people a summary of a video that they haven't watched will lead many of them to not watch the video. This is a negative outcome for a few reasons:
1. It robs the content creator of 'watch time', which the RUclips algorithm uses to determine how useful, popular, etc., a video is.
2. It robs the potential viewer of an opportunity to practice attention/focus, which serves to reinforce the 'quick hit' mindset that just wants it's dopamine for learning a new thing with little to no effort, thereby contributing to their deficit in attention.
3. It inspires other people to do as you do -- some even resorting to using AI to summarize a video -- for the purpose of getting attention via 'Likes' on their comment and also via comments in reply such as "MVP" and "Thanks for saving me the time", etc.
Now, to those who will jump in to say how useful such a bullet-point list is to them, I say: *create your own list, and keep it private.* This gives you some exercise in attention, and it also allows you to absorb the points by considering them within the context that the video presents them. Everyone is different, and context is super, super important in helping us to understand and to organize learning in ways that are specific to each individual. So... do your own note-taking, and don't share it as a public comment.
I'm giving you the benefit of doubt that you're sincerely wanting to be helpful, rather than just an attention /like hound. So with that said, please: *stop making bullet-point comments.* You will be most helpful to the most amount of people by following this suggestion -- even if they disagree because they'd rather someone else do the listening for them. And, for those who want to point out that they have some sort of learning deficit, and that such bullet-point lists are truly helpful to them: work through it with a caring family member or friend. Your struggle to learn, remember, organize, understand, etc., does not excuse robbing the content creator of their due 'watch time'. This should be a 'win-win' outcome for both the creator and the viewer, and that only happens when people exchange their time (watch-time) for information.
non infinite = finite
So glad you got Andrew on the pod. Love this guy
This clip popped up at the perfect time.
I've struggled with depression my whole life, and various addictions including coke and alcohol, I quit those long ago but still smoke tobbaco and also have a crazy caffeine habit, I quit smoking weed 1 month ago (smoked for 30 yrs) and I now realise how reliant I was on it to function.
Next thing on the list is quitting tobbaco.
The comments in this thread plus people like Jocko and guests give me hope and drive to succeed in my mission.
I am learning to endure more struggles and uncomfortable situations as a mental training thanks to all of the info about doing hard things for better health and self-confidence. I went biking 40 minutes in the rain today...started out just spitting a bit but I decided in the last year that mother nature does not dictate if I bike or not and I go anyways. I can come home and take a hot shower and have a hot tea...I am fine. The best thing about biking on the bike path in the rain ...barely anyone out so no one to pass.
As someone with ADHD I’ve found that regular exercise works better than stimulants. It gives me physical and mental strenght to go on with my life. Because of the lower baseline of dopamine I have to exercise consistently every day or the habit will break and the drop will be too painful.
I mean does this explain why I hit seriously strong periods of training and then can’t even bring myself to go to the gym ? Because I get a crazy level of dopamine from training but then crash
I find in order to train and do so consistently you have to become obsessed and nothing less than the inability to endure anymore will suffice.
@bradleyharewood7289 Reward yourself but only after you've done what needs done, otherwise you get nothing. That works for me, and never give anything but your all.
@@originalityisdead.9513 no don't reward urself after the work/training.Try to evoke reward from the effort or hard work itself.Andrew mentioned this before, focusing on the reward as the end goal causes ur brain to dislike doing the work and it will feel more challenging, u won't feel motivated to return back to work the next day.Instead, focus on enjoying the work, tell yourself that the work is fun and rewarding even though it's painful.
Try stimulants and training haha
Thanks you for sharing this podcast! I like the idea that dopamine is a renewable but not infinite resource. It helps me be more realistic when following through with goals and being patient with myself during the times that I do have to push through and just get it done. It is a reminder that the lower level of dopamine release is a temporary feeling. And we dont need to chase that rush and mess up our brains in the process by overloading ourselves with dopamine (in the forms of addiction). It is like chasing the first high of falling in love or drug addiction.
2 weeks ago I completed some pretty intense military prerequisites for a certain “school” I want to be approved for. I did it last minute and wasn’t 100% physically prepared AND I’m 34. I passed my “tests” it was a huge victory on many levels, personally and professionally. I could not figure out what the hell is wrong with me and why I feel like I’m in a “valley”. Recovery took forever and I’m still having very mediocre workouts. I was so confused as to why until now.
So only two weeks?
@@alexanderwindh4830 Hey! Only two weeks what?
I believe if you’re depressed or lacking dopamine for a while the reverse could happened. You only have motivation if something good happened. I believe that’s where suffering geniuses come from. Their brain lack in dopamine production that only certain reward/activities work for them and they have to keep chasing that stimulus
How long did your "recovery" take?
I have experienced the same "thing" as you; feeling "lost" after intense experiences/"substance use"
The "valley" has been pretty hard, and "taking" a while to get "out" of
"Andrew" has been really "good" at breaking "this" stuff down "and" explaining how dopamine drives "all" this "stuff"
I did 22+ years in the military (nothing epic like Jocko's career) and when I look back on some of my more intense exploits and how I reacted to them & after the events/achievements/failures videos like these help me to make sense of why my brain works/doesn't work as it relates to dopamine regulation. Truly fascinating watching this "meeting of the minds" video. It's some very high octane education!
As an addict, I have not been taught this in 3 rehab stints. I now understand the actions (non drug) that I was doing for dopamine hits. Really helps me understand what can lead to craving that nasty shit. Much love ❤️
It seems like they're always spiritual and trauma focused, and while those things are important they really do need to talk about the mechanical processes of the body. Once I realized it wasn't just my messed up psyche everything began to incrementally change for me.
as someone in the process of breaking free from adderall dependence, this is very true. the crash of dopamine is quite literally painful. to say the least.
I concur. I broke free from years of heavy methamphetamine use & coming off of it was brutal & arduous.
A truly devilish drug
Did you try tapering off it instead? I think that would be more beneficial than simply going 0 from 100
Best of luck. It can take a real while of grogginess. Weeks for me. But it was so worth it. And you feel 100% yourself after.
pain ends. just keep at it.
These molecules are designed to create activation states in the body. And dopamine is the molecule of motivation, pursuit + desire. BOOM! You know when you hear something again and it sounds really fresh? Motivation. Pursuit. Desire. And when our dopamine dips, it's no wonder people feel isolated, sad and pained after a peak experience. Whether that's feeling low with post-music festival blues, or like how Nicole Kidman said she felt super lonely after winning an academy award. The main message I am taking away is: Chill after a dopamine hit, in order to let the body reset - more balance and modulation. And to notice what my state is like before, during and after behaviour, and notice when I am chasing more dopamine. Be a scientist to myself! Great clip, thanks!
This podcast was awesome! I'll be re-listening to this and taking notes concerning the information!
Detoxing both mentally and physically is key. Physical pain makes for mental and mental for physical. There is a point when one can go well too far for either when trying to repair or prevent damage.
What a fascinating subject, great discussion, clear and articulate, I could listen to much more.
This is key knowledge for so many people !
On my good days I often go too hard and then crash the next day into depression so I have to remind myself to take it easy on the good days. this video explains that mechanism so well ! thanks for sharing
''depression" typically implies sadness. Do you wake up feeling sad or just not as high as the day before? It does make sense that when you go super hard, you'll be tired later on, right?
@@andrabook8758 good question, Yeah really low mood. I'm mostly talking seeing a lot of people or getting a ton of things done on those good days. Good workouts dont burn me out I dont think. Its sometimes hard to not get really productive or social when I feel that good maybe working out is able to balance out those extreme highs
@@neoanderson6128 get up and lift or go for a run. It got me through six months of heavy sadness/ waking up thinking about self deleting. When I realised I could do something myself that took the pain away.
@@neoanderson6128 well then it just sounds normal to me. You have a lot of energy, you burn it off and then you're tired. You can try to mediocre-burning, instead of going all out, to balance it off, instead of gonig full out until you crash....but otherwise it seems pretty normal. No matter what your energy levels are, if you go to extreme's you're gonna crash eventually. People just have different tiping points.
How long does it last? How many days in a row? or is it just like 1 day at a time? and how much? like is it 3 hrs at the gym lifting 300 lb continuously and like 2-3 days club hoping or more like an hour a day and some get togethers?
@@dolphin069 Bingo! you can always do something yourself to make negative feelings go away!
Definitely. That's actually wild. There have been times I've felt depressed and anxious for a day or two after hard training. Finally an explanation!
I feel like andrew could come up with a unified explanation of the mind and brain. He knows so much about the mechanics it’s a not just info dumping he lives in this knowledge of the mind.
Brilliant information. Makes it all so clear and transparent. Thank you!
This whole podcast which was 5 hrs long, went by so quickly. immersed heavily, thank you
Every time I listen to Andrew I learn more.
I am not a sport person in any way but I think I can relate to that dopamine rollercoaster . When I listen for a prolonged time, say couple hours, to music type that I really like and enjoy, later on I usually feel a bit down, a bit sad. So that could be it. Dopamine up and down.
this makes so much friggin sense. I'm so thankful to have seen this on my feed. I get a lot f performance anxiety when I lift-- and I lift alone-- and it's bc I hype myself up for a workout and then when I get there, I get nervous. I don't want to follow through when, logically, I understand that I like lifting. I understand that I enjoy working out and I like how it makes me feel. but I crash just enough to where my brain goes executive dysfunction and it's like "but what if you didn't?"
I’m in the course of cutting all synthetic dopamine out (porn, social media, marijuana, etc.), it’s painful but life in general feels more rewarding and manageable. Don’t stop reminding yourself of want you need to take control of your life.
I mean, you can have ALL of those things but just exercise your own personal discipline to not allow it to get out of control in your usage everyday. People are not realizing that what Andrew says here is to not quit everything, but simply to manage your usages of these dopamine releases.
Exercise your discipline and only ONE of those dangerous activities a day. Focus on the length of time with your usage and reduce it. Slowly, you'll be able to do ALL of those things, but in a much more reasonable way to manage your baseline.
@@WokeAFMillennial you're ignoring personal differences, for many of us a little bit is risky because it escalates easily. Plus what the heck is upside to watching porn? Every aspect of it is bad for you (unless you're watching slow romantic stuff with realistic looking people who aren't there for money, which doesn't exist). It's like saying you can do just a little bit of meth if you train yourself
@@glacialimpalahumans chase dopamine and always will no matter how harmful that is for them its how every animal work
Hubermann is bad ass. That man is intelligent like no other. To be on jocko. Respect!
A man who studies the existance that is... Me, My body, My life. BOom. Dudes smart, gave me new ways to think about my life in a measurable way (INTJ) and im ADHD so I really struggle with dopamine and the feeling of chasing it and then crashing.
Absolutely amazing. So many have no idea what he is actually talking about. I do and it is extremely refreshing because when I try to talk to people about this type of thing they look at me crazy and have no idea what I am talking about lol. The human body/dopamine etc is so fascinating.
This type of information is golden
So thankful for coming across Joe rogan’s podcast. I first found Andrew Huberman on there and he spoke about testosterone and exercising-things of that matter. It’s crazy because with this neuroscience stuff I’m able to realize so much about certain patterns that I have that I wasn’t aware of but I can now try and dive a bit deep and see what I can do
Facts!
I’m an ex-addict/addict in recovery (6 years 5 month 1 day clean)
This is the exact definition of addiction.
Even when you want nothing more than to not use any More, you drop below base so far, that you’re on day 5 and in such physical pain over the last 5 days, that your body cannot get out of bed without the drug.
Thus, you use it after going days without and you’re right back at square one.
Truly awful
Congratulations on your time clean, brother. May you continue on your path to clean and sober living
@@jaykeegan5980 ty, brotha
How did you beat it?
Yeah man. I'm 16 day sober. I almost relapsed yesterday and today. But I held on strong. I just have to accept the fact that I will always have pull to relapse. Huberman helped me a ton for sure.
KEEP GOING ROB! WE TRULY CHEER FOR YOU, AS ANOTHER MAN TO ANOTHER MAN.
I was on Ripped Fuel and Hydoxycut all in the 90's...I was also anorexic, I ran 15-18 miles a day then would rollerblade all afternoon..I now respect my body, I absolutely respect the brain & hormones..Thank you for this education into our bodies/brains:)
Yea..... a badass ripped roller blader🤭
Sounds like a good time though, bet you were a blast to hang out with when you were younger haha.
How are you alive
@@NRG56 by the Grace of God..literally..ehedra is no joke
I've seen Jacko on Rogan. I've been an RN since '83. This episode is for me an example of when one knows something globally and then happening onto a site that takes into the specifics. When knowledge is presented in a way that the recipient takes in and can see the common sense of it, it's a good day. To learn how something is constructed, its uses, how it works as well as how and why it deconstructs and reconstructs are key to learning how to modulate and the, " whys " and effects behind disregulation.
Thank you for the post. It's great crash course to understand dopamine functions.
Good stuff love these shorter clips.
Great interview. Modern day life really does take a lot of discipline with almost limitless high dopamine activities. The most rewarding activates long term though are usually the ones other people are not willing to do.
Yeah just think in the past, it was the complete opposite. 90% of people were farmers, so basically you'd spend half the year working hard to absolutely no reward and then BAM! harvest time comes and all that hard work is (god(s) willing) paid off. No wonder ancient agricultural societies formulated their religions so heavily around the agricultural cycle and celebrated so much after a successful harvest.
@@gammamaster1894 or even going back in to the house at the end of the day for the hot dinner (if food is available) that the women cooked up, after you've been performing the same movements for 7 hrs that day and just staring at plant stalks and dirt. Imagine how exciting that dinner was! And just the chance to relax and chat with your extended family! We have given ourselves as a race too much
@@gammamaster1894 Even longer back, the only time they had large ammounts of dopamine was when they killed a prey to eat or when they had sex
Dr Huberman blows my mind, he’s so smart and inspiring. Love all his videos about neurology and brain function!
the collab we all needed. all points are spot on!
Skydiving, I had a interesting one off experience of this dopamine expenditure when I was in my twenties.
I had done a few jumps one day and then that night I caught up with some friends for a little party at their new property.
We all had some ecctasy which was not too usual as we occasionally enjoyed such things.
It had zero effect on me while everyone else, that hadn't jumped out of a plane that day, experienced the usual effect of the drug.
I just got tired as I normally would as the night wore on and went to sleep while my friends kept dancing and having a great time.
Interesting.
Trippy, makes sense. Thanks for sharing
@Pilgrim17 it would be very unusual for just one pill out of a whole batch to be a dud.
The most likely cause is my brain had already released a large amount of dopamine, serotonin and norepinephrine and therefore and no more in reserve to release.
My body needed more time to build up the molecules again and that's why the drug didn't so anything as that's how it has its effect by triggering the release of these chemicals from their storage sites.
Now I know next time I wanna pop some molly not to jump out of a plane before. Thanks bro. Next time though maybe try popping some molly an hr before your jump for best results. Lol
@@jordanz4264 haha yeah maybe not need all your wits when plummeting towards the ground 😆
@@jedi77palmer haha ya I’ve gone twice, once with an instructor and once by myself, there’s defiantly a lot of information to process as your falling to the earth out of a plane by yourself
enjoyed this. As someone coming out of a Long "Cannabis Coma" (45yrs.) a lot of areas were hit. The Porn plague was even longer (12 to 63!) Heineken's and Stoli were also in the Land of NUMB. Well with these cunning distractions, eating properly was non-existent (those Fast "food" places were at least avoided!) Anyways the Clouds been Lifted and it's been LONG overdue. Even had to delete Tik-Tok, because having an Addictive personality (Obviously) I felt the "need" to respond to a third of the content. Which was Nuts but fit the dope-a- mean Hunger. So needless to say this was a Good subject manner for me and I immediately subscribed with the hope that, if the other episodes are half as good, then I'm in a helpful zone. Thanks! That woman that you referenced, Lemke has a new book out on dopamine + it's not too bad. something like "Dopamine nation". Peace
How would you describe a "cannabis coma"?
Sounds like you’ve had one hell of a life. Shouldn’t say that though, it’s not over!
Could you describe, experientially, how different it feels to just go through a normal day now, after your 'cleanse' ?
Hey how are you doing so far? I hope you’re feeling better! I’m on the same path my friend, we are in the helpful area indeed now. Wishing you the best of life and keep on healing. We deserve a healthier life ❤️
Gat damn man! That c☆cks got calluses!
I experienced this today. Last night I finally got to see my kids after 1 month. I'm used to being with them everyday. I was granted 4 hours with them. When I got home I was so happy and "high" from my visit that i couldn't even sleep. Today I am depressed again!
That was fascinating! It actually ties together a bunch of things. 👍
My Dopamine is fried then. I always try to stay stimulated In some form of the other be it through training or working towards goals. This was enlightening
This would definitely help someone in recovery and I wish I would’ve known this when I was in rehab in Florida. I used coffee and exercise to cope with being sober
yes exercise has shown to be the most effective tool against depression and among many other mental health problems that arise from a deficiency in dopamine/endorphins etc.
Cope with being sober 😂 could definitely be worse. I would say that’s probably one of the best combinations you could be addicted to. Least you didn’t choose meth and masterbaiting
Ripped Fuel! Whoa! You took me back with that reference. 😆
Awesome content, Jocko! Thank you for yet another informative gem.
Please put the full episode link on the description
Holy shit, thank you guys for this conversation! Huge personal puzzle piece solved! 👍🏻🇺🇸
I think the people really tested in their early years, that had many ups and downs, achieving a lot, doing cool, crazy shit, and had to partially struggle financially/mentally, can learn to be level minded for the most part. And when we get super happy for some time, the come down isn’t as bad just from us being aware it exists.
This was very helpful. Thank you!
This is a great topic! Thanks for sharing Jocko
I've never liked something controlling me and my decisions, so as soon as i feel a draw towards a "need" for something, i immediately cut it off.. so caffeine or addictive substances have never been a thing for me. I just have to find something enjoyable and challenging in order to be motivated to pursue it.
Whether that's really digging into a topic to write a book about, because it's so darn cool to share with others and then i get to master my knowledge about that topic... or whether it's exercise by doing something physically challenging that can also engage my creativity, like dance and aerial arts! If i don't enjoy it and can't push myself so that i feel like I'm progressing in something and mastering myself in a new way, I'm not about it!
"I've never liked something controlling me and my decisions, so as soon as i feel a draw towards a "need" for something, i immediately cut it off.. so caffeine or addictive substances have never been a thing for me". I used to think like that and didn't use coffee for decades. I do now though. I'm far from being an "addict" but it slowly creeps on you. It started for me before long road cycling rides, the during them also (they often last 3-5 hours), then before weight training, etc. I found coffee doesn't help me at all for mental focus, but for physical activities it does. But I had your exact philosophy so keep it as long as you can, forever if possible ;)
The post depression after huge dopamine spikes makes me think of how a Rockstar feels after a show. Maybe that depression perpetuates more drug use and whatever else
Yes, what a good hypothesis!
Thank you for putting this up.
Fantastic snippet from the full episode. Andrew became an instant follow for me on YT after this episode.
The crash feels painful. YES and YES. I've been through it after years of big workloads, taking care of a dying parent, and finishing a lot of goals. My crash also coincided with depression, after my dad died, to make it even worse.
I'm in the exact same situation at the moment. Taking care of a dying parent, and also a load of work to do, moving together with girlfriend... I hope you are good now. I'm fortunately still am, but just have a bad unmotivated morning. :)
Sorry for your loss
My parents sucked I always find it odd people really loving and missing their parents bro I could give AF less. A little traumatized a little chip yeah it is what it is tho. Look into REAL 5-meo DMT could help you in your journey and help you have a new perspective on death.
@@jdnrust1590 That sounds like more of a you thing.
@@blubblurb lol
A strict 10 day silent retreat in a monk run temple where you get kicked out for not following the rules and have to wake up at 4 am everyday will give you a total dopamine reset.
Yep gonna be listening to this one to get me back in the game
This is extremely valuable information and they’re giving it to us for free. Thank you
Great now you just made me self-conscious about how much fun I should have in my life. Lol
When I was in grad school AFTER a big test in a subject I liked, that I studied immensely for I would feel great, not overdone but generally great AND all the information I learned finally ‘clicked’ and I connected to it.
I did not crash…wondered what was up with dopamine for me.
However, if it was a test that I did not like, like the high stakes licensing exams, I felt absolutely terrible.
PS would love to hear how oxytocin fits into this in regards to caring for young children.
This is what keeps me doubting. I've also had high achievements that didn't have a low afterwards. Just like back to baseline.
I think that has something to do with what we see as rewarding or threatening. Like in the first scenario, the process spikes dopamine throughout and is somewhat independent of the outcome so like there isn't much of a peak where as when the stakes are high, there is so much more adrenaline,dopamine and hence I guess the peak. Idk just my observations being an extremely anxious person, It would take me so much effort to get anything done and when it got done, I would feel absolutely shit when it wasn't upto my unrealistic expectations and also I would loathe the process. Whereas on things I enjoyed, I would forget eating and going to the loo.
So easy explanation of the complex problem! Bravo
This was an outstanding explanation! Wow.
I felt the same after travelling South America. Home just seemed so bland after. I’ve heard this happens to a lot of travellers after their trip.
Just gotta do things that are good for you and when you're done you feel fine
That moment when you watch this video after a shower beer to some music.
Absolutely! This is the way to go.
Very informative thank you
I wish the VA would teach us more about this. My last deployment was tough and no mater what I did, I could not find balance for years after.
This is one of the many reasons moods fluctuate so much. Do you wonder why some days you feel like you're on top of the world and then other days down in the dumps? Yeah, we all go through it, because it's the natural ebb and flow of things that happen within our bodies.
I had a thought this morning while on my morning walk relating to this. No more chasing the dragon. Wonderful talk!
Riding a motorcycle out on the back roads and forest trails …almost makes my soul new again .
No past , no future , just being in the present , soaking up the whole universe , eight hours can seem like two hours .
There is no better therapy for some than the interaction between man & machine.
I can’t produce dopamine due to young onset Parkinson’s. Aged 41. My life is living hell and it’s only early stages. So movement issues are still minor. My sense of smell detects everything as sick smelling like vomit. Permanent brain fog. No libido. No interest in doing anything at all. Can’t focus on basic tasks. Lost my career in the film industry. On brink of losing minimum wage part time job. No savings. No pension. Nothing to live for. If you can do one thing for yourself it would be to do everything in your power to protect your dopamine system. I lived a reasonably healthy lifestyle but made a few errors I regret I.e. smoked a bit of weed for a year or so, don’t have gratitude for the good things in my life and allowed negative thoughts to run away with me. I plan on taking my own life before things get much worse. Hopefully something better is waiting
Do you still have parents who are alive? If so, consider postponing your end game until they've passed. Some people never recover from this, and they will carry the weight you cast off. As a licensed taxidermist... my advice would be to try living in another country, who knows maybe you'll gain a new perspective and find something that is greater than the pain of living? Good luck Dave!
@@chiefenumclaw7960 thanks for the response. unfortunately my financial and health circumstances prevent me moving to a different country. Without dopamine it would be near impossible task and emotionally meaningless anyway
@@SCHOFIELD81 Before doing anything, please, seek counseling and talk to people.
Talk to at least one family member, one friend, one professional therapist, and one religious leader you trust.
Sometimes you can't see a way out of a situation now, from yours perspective, but someone from outside can, and they might help you see it too.
If after doing this you still don't change your mind, I only ask you to search for an answer to the big questions of life before going.
Because these answers can define what will happen to you in the afterlife.
I personally think there are solid evidences that God exists and came to the word as Jesus to reconcile humanity with him.
And I think you should investigate this matter further.
Because if this is actually true, there is really a God out there that loves you and want to have a relationship with you.
And this relationship may change the way you see the world and your life.
And it maybe may change your mind about taking your own life, or at least give you a reassurance about your destiny in the afterlife.
God bless you.
Man you cant do that. I can help you. Where are you located?
@@dredlew uk
You just explain my depression great
This guy is spot on.Chop Wood ,Carry Water...I read a book that described this...A book on depression which also mentioned the depletion of brain chemicals after a good experience.
This topic is new and interesting for me , thank you!
Everything in life is a dopamine hit and the more enjoyment it gives you the more addicted to that dope or activity you become until you detox. This is the key to addictive behavior
Interesting thing about addiction: opiate based addictions can be circumvented by oxytocin, as oxytocin prevents opiate tolerance from developing. This way for example the oxytocin and opiate providing motherly touch is rewarding without developing tolerance, whereas opiate based drugs lack the oxytocin component. Read this in Jaak Panksepp’s research and thought it was profound in relation to addiction and human relations.
@@jonnekytola5513 what if oxytocin is a cheat code for life lmao i need some
@@jonnekytola5513 So love is truly answer to everything.
@@mrfatuchia nd looking into a Dog's eye. At least I think Joe Rogan said that. Haha, someone may wanna verify but something like no animal can stimulate oxtocin in human's besides looking into a dog's eyes; similar response to parents and their child. Now, depending on your interpretation that could be the canine hacking the human biology for a type of symbiote relationship, or true love. The third option is that God is a Dog. lol[
It's only the key to stopping the behaviour. If the behaviour is being used as a coping mechanism for an underlying problem, you also need to address what the underlying problem is.
Early morning workouts work for me it gets me amped for the day. Ans yes I was a Ripped Fuel junkie in the 90's it works. Dam you Twin Labs for changing the formula. A few heart attacks man up. Lol
You aren't a real man unless you've had at least one heart attack or been hospitalized for exhaustion.
Holy hell, I think I used to take that stuff a little bit. Twinlabs shit in the 1990's was the bomb - I got huge on it while doing three to four hours of weights five days a week.
I remember seeing ripped fuel. What was in that stuff?
@@TommyShlong Dark Magic. Lol
@@TommyShlong I think Ephedrine, in part? Can't recall.
Fantastic information. Awesome podcast
"Non-infinite, yet renewable" is such a beautiful phrase.
Do you do any videos or interviews where you explain eating disorders? Or rather, would you be able to explain how dopamine works in a body if someone who is anorexic and does it have anything to do with it? Are there chemicals in the body to be aware of, specifically for anorexia to die and not kill you?
I've been abusing my Adderall for 5 years. I'm no longer in denial about it & can accept the truth without it triggering me. This video was exactly what I needed to see before I took another one. More milligrams aren't going to help me at this point today. Self-discipline, insight, & knowing the facts about how dopamine works....Is helping my cravings. My healing work will get finished when I finish. Thanks for "going there" when you mentioned Adderall. That comment was meant for me to hear & I thank you for sharing this info. U just saved my bottle from being empty & gave me the tools I needed to be aware of.
stay strong friend and keep up the hard work! I'm in a similar situation so you have a lot of people who support ya 🖤
Yes same here. When he said adderall I was so intrigued because I been using it for work, study, and working out. I know I shouldn’t but I fear if I stop I might go back to not being as motivated.
You've got this!
Lucky you… I’m still trying to convince my meds-provider to put me back on the full dose of Adderall that I’ve been taking for years.
It’s fucking sucks… They tell me I need to have motivation but they won’t give me the medicine that helps jumpstart me to even try to create a life where is self motivation is an option
Realy importent information.
We all know this & have felt it to some degree.
To understand what happens & why we feel the way we do is a different matter.
I’ve always worked out later in the day because i easily fell asleep afterwards and it felt extra satisfying to sleep when I get tired and wake up feeling refreshed. I only have 1 cup of black coffee as a pre workout and only listen to political or educational podcast while exercising.
Politics is nothing but mere theatre for the masses
You can see the admiration and respect in Jocko's eyes. He really likes Andrew.
After I crashed after years of working an extremely dynamic and violent type of career, I started TRT. Not for muscle quality or anything like that, but for psychological reasons. I was not capable of feeling happiness at even a basic level. Things that made me happy prior made me bored or tired. Now I’m good without the help of anti depressants or anti psychotic medication.
did you use anti depressants b4 ? if so how did you cope when coming off?
trt? testosterone replacement? Did your levels test low?
@Warren B how did you come off from Antidepressanty and anti psychotic medication??? Any tips? Thanks
The secret is, happiness is not dependent on dopamine. Understanding this gives you infinite dopamine.
I suffer terribly from this and I've tried to return to baseline for years. It always seems hopeless 3 weeks in.
I find endorphines to be much more satisfying. I practice releasing endorphins through singing (mainly 90s grunge songs). It fees like a took a hydrocodone for a 5-7 minutes. some people get this feeling through running aka runners high but for me its via good 25 minute vocal sesh.
Endorphin = endogenous morphine so yeah lol
@@xostler yes I understand that I was just explaining my method of releasing the hormone
@@parousia2771 well sure but there's others on the internet that may not know about beta-morphine peptide. It's all dopamine mediated though too. As dopamine is an intermediate to endorphin production. So just be aware that it isn't an either or scenario. But do you do you. We all have to motivate ourselves somehow!
I clicked on this video to get a dopamine hit, so ya I need this info.
Valuable information, thanks.
This is great thank you 🙏
If I do something as seemingly trivial as have a video game session that's a little too long, I can feel my motivation to be productive drop significantly. It's simulated achievement that's too easy to get. I noticed this on weekends, when I don't have work or any other obligations. Sometimes I'll start the day with a little bit of Halo Infinite, maybe an hour or two. After I'm done it's like the weight of the day is increased. I'll dread getting my workout in, dread cleaning, etc. Compare that to days I start off productive, night and day. I make shit happen.
I can relate to this. After a really good game session, everything else seems extra boring.
Dude totally. If I play a game too long I feel weird afterwards. Totally like a come down. That's why I don't like to play games until later in the day or evening. I know it's not good to start my day that way.
Bro i had this same epiphany this week. I’ve been grinding apex ranked and after a session of sometimes 3 hours I feel extremely lazy afterwards, totally unfocused on my homework, and dreading the days workout. It’s like the progression system within the game has skewed my means of wanting to progress at all in other things in my life. Going on a week long cleanse for now and going from there!
Love Andrew Interpretation of Dopamine as a chemical for motivation rather than as chemical of happiness
This has always been the interpretation of Dopamine across the scientific community, not Andrew specifically. The happiness thing was just a classic case of media miscommunication a scientific idea to gen pop.
It's not an interpretation, it's a well-established fact.
great video i been thinking about dopamin fast detox for a while but after watching this i think i'm use control approach . Most of us go on binches
Woah what a podcast. Like 10 top I’ve ever listened to… top 15 dang it was good