Nice video, thanks My conclusion is that they are exactly the same, same factory, same components, you are paying for the Yamaha name with the blue one, that's it. It would cost more to have a different assembly run than it is worth IMO. Day shift cranks out Yamaha and night shift cranks out the other.
I would agree with that, but for the most part when I see these die or when viewers reply the thing that dies is the ability to put out power. So for the most a electrical issue is the cause and probably the inverter board that has failed I would assume.
When you ran both generators it did double the sound. The way the logarithmic decibel scale works, every 3 dB change is equivalent to doubling the energy of the noise. You went from about 61 to 63.5 which is nearly doubling the energy.
Yamaha says their mz80 has cast iron cyl sleeve. That maybe where the cost difference comes in. I dunno if the others are plated or also iron but generally the cheaper motors are plated vs the commercial engines being lined with cast iron.
I don't own one of these generators, but all of my "American branded" lawn equipment has Chinese made engines. I have been using them for almost 12 years and they are still running great. My biggest concern with buying an unrecognized brand product is that parts may not be available when needed. Other than that, if the reviews are good I would have no issues with the Chinese made engine.
I’m a small engine mechanic. It doesn’t matter if they look similar or run similar when new. Spend the $200!! If taken care of, your Yamaha engine will last the rest of YOUR life. The Chinese knock-off will not have the quality internals or precise clearances required for longevity.
Yamaha 100% never failed - outboard, scooter - never ever! Honda - Pilot, Civic, generator - for years! Kidding me? $100 extra? Check that generator in 8 years - mine starts and runs like the day i got out of the box.
Great video! I own the Yamaha 2000, and have worked on a friend's I-Power 2000 (with Yamaha engine) when it needed a carb cleaning. Absolutely amazing how the small inverter gen market has all copied each other over and over. It seems to be mostly a marketing approach, and price point. Speaking of which, I would like to see a comparison of the Generac 3000 or 3300, against the same Craftsman 3000 or 3300 inverter gens. The Craftsman is made by Generac. They have 99-100% identical specs on watts, engine, and weight. But the Craftsman is typically listed for about $100 more!! Either way, they seem to have some of the highest KW ratings for "suitcase" style inverter gens.
Yes for the most part a lot of these are the same. Yamaha I think just decided to sell a lot of engines to who ever wants them. But they have done this for years even when I worked in the watercraft industry they sold jet ski engines to other manufacturers. So it’s nothing new but I don’t see a exact copy of a Honda to be honest. At first I thought there was copies but no. The generac and craftsman’s will also be the same but a different case but sometimes the electronics will be different like different features and maybe different inverter board allowing more power. I will try and add those to the list…👍🏼 Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
Could Senci (the maker of AI Power) actually be a contract manufacturer for the Yamaha 80cc engine? Looks like this and the Senci are from the same factory. Who knows if any of the internal spec of QC is better on the Yamaha engine.
Walmart has the Yamaha version for $ 500 (we just got one as a backup) so maybe not that much difference out of pocket too. I remember some years back 10 or so when I first saw a south Korean made Honda Trail 70 in Miami. So after S. Korea got the blueprints out of Japan for the Honda QA 50, and the CT 70's it was only a matter of time for more blueprints to find there way out of Japan. At the end of the day or in this case a few years the generator with that Yamaha name on it will be worth more I believe, then again not much last no matter the brand/name it seems.
Thanks Johnny. Very informative video, as ALWAYS. Do you foresee doing any videos on A-iVolt generators. I just bought an A-iVolt 4300 and would see an informative video on it. Once again Thank you.
@@johnnysweekends Great stuff and look forward to them as they come! Sure glad there are more and more good options now days for a decent generator! It sure helps those looking at purchasing to see someone do some comaparisons for them..
I agree. Honda and Yamaha are great but they are missing 75 percent of the market. Even if they dropped the prices a little i think sales would increase alot. They are good units though. But these knock offs are just getting better and better. Its fun to seeing whats different with them, plus gives me a hobbie from my full time job. The honda restoration video was fun, not just for the finished product but because i got to play with editing and try something different. Thought about investing into some actual designated video equipment lol. But what i have works. Thanks again for the support and glad you like the content.....👍😁🙏
@@johnnysweekends I was really impressed at your dedication to breaking down the Honda EU2000i to clean it all up and reassemble it and also to cover it all in video! How long overall did it take you to do that break down, excluding the video setup time? Wish you the best Brother!!!! GOOD STUFF!!!
Thank you sir. It happened to be a good weekend as i was uninterrupted so between tear down, clean up and assembly about 6 to 8 hrs because i was also moving and checking video stuff. Then another 4 hrs or so of editing. Good thing this is a hobbie and not a job lol. Or i would be broke. But it's fun but between work, and doing side jobs and family it's tough to find time sometimes. But i still enjoy it. Like any type of photography or videography editing can take just as long or longer then actual tests. Thanks again for the feedback. 👍😊
Thank you very much for showcasing these cheaper models!! They are something to consider if I go with the double 2000w generator solution. Safe travels!
Hello Johnny, Thanks for the great video. Ahhh Costco price is $550 now, hope Costco will have another sale in the $400-$450 range. All I would rather pay extra $100 to get the Yamaha, 100% Japanese made rather than cheap knockoff from China. Just that typical day the that you REALLY NEED IT! and it doesn't work on you at that time you wish you would had spend the extra $100 and purchase a reliable unit.
I was more than happy to spend the extra to get the Yamaha motors on the two we ordered. The clone probably would’ve been more than enough for just camping but for only an extra $100 It was worth it
@@johnnysweekends we actually had to order ours through Walmart. Unfortunately our local costco now carries the firman brand with the Yamaha clone motors and online they do have the Yamaha powered sc2300i but i wanted the smaller, lighter and more simplistic sc2000i
I think it’s under rated and most seem to still run them with no issues with basic care. Frequent oil changes and always run a fuel stabilizer or fuel conditioner 👍🏼
great video...thank you so much for this and all your generator videos. I am trying to decide on my generator set-up to boondock with my 15,000 BTU AC. I am 63 years old and just do not want to try and lift a 100+ pound genny. I appreciate your reviews.
Thank you so much, and I hear ya. After doing these and moving and lifting them I don’t wanna move them around anymore as well🤣 I really like how small and light the little champions are and it seems they have best customer service and warranty if your not buying Honda or Yamaha. Most of these all work just fine for Rex use and those are quiet and small and light. I am thinking maybe a couple 2500 champs and maybe dual fuel but trying to figure out the splitter. Really most times you only need one running. Idk it’s hard to decide sometimes what’s the best setup. Because they are all loud at full load.
I bought the yamaha 5yrs ago for 450dollars and have done Nothing but change the oil all the time !! Grrreat gen. Pull rope wore out once !! Id buy more anytime ,, if i ever need another one but this yamaha is killer
It's hard to wear these four stroke motor out Yamaha or off-brand what goes first is the stepper motor carburetor assembly. Just change the oil and will go on just about forever thousands and thousands of hours
Dude these little clones or genuine Yamahas just run for daysssssss. Yea the thing that dies is the stepper like you said or burning the inverter board up.
I have two red units is it required run green ground when plugging into trailer. Reason I ask converter failed 55 amp messed up electrical bits. Put new 4 stage design in with plug
From what I saw, the red normal one has a Chinese clone engine and the Yamaha is a Japanese good engine. I think what it comes down to is longevity. I bet that the Yamaha will last 10 times longer. So if you are only going to run it once a year, go with the cheap one. If you are going I use it a lot and need one to last a long time, go with the Yamaha.
Yea the only way to tell is to tear it apart which I don’t really wanna do. But back when I worked in the marine and water craft industry and worked on Yamaha seadoo and Kawasaki a brand came out for a bit called mastercraft wetjet duo it was a knock off brand that lasted maybe 2 or 3 years. The power plant was a direct Yamaha jet ski engine and electronics but all Yamaha stamping was removed. I assume today Yamaha still sells engines along with other companies just with the stamp removed because so many other items need a power plant. So by looking at them I bet it’s the same engine but only way to be a 100 percent is a tear down. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching 👍🏼😃
Yamaha generators were originally manufactured in Japan. However, due to climate an economic conditions, some of the Yamaha generator models are now made in China.
I really like that unit and Aipower I kinda like champion in a way as they have head quarters in CA and a couple other states. I am looking more into them again as they have really expanded there line. And yea I may do a vid on this one in April….
Unfortunately the smallest 240 is still kinda big unless you go with the GenMax parallel and series units. They are smaller but can put two in series for 240 volt! Definitely pretty cool… You can see those here …you need two and the special box amzn.to/3v1R067 Champion gets to the larger units unfortunately like this one amzn.to/3uYC4FI
No they do not. they can be miss matched from brands to even sizes. It’s best to stay close and possible brands as well for maybe that just in case but many people have paralleled alot of different brands and sizes. You can watch my parallel video on running two different sizes.
@@johnnysweekends Thanks for the prompt response. Presently, assembling a through-the-wall kit so my generator can be on my covered patio alcove, using the kit to run the power through a portable air conditioner insert in the double-hung window. I am planning on reworking the insert using plywood and gluing insulating material to the insert. My goal is no more EROCOT Surprises (Texas Joke).
Great video sir, can you please tell me the quietest generator in this size category you've tested to date? I was thinking it was the champion. or is there a better one?
A-i Power company is a reshipper. The door in Ca where A-i is located is a industrial strip. No service area etc, a reshipper. Therefore, as I found out, it is a scam. Couple kids on phone dodging calls with no real info. My generator came without all items (included) and still ain't got them. So this is Amazon dark side. To their credit Amazon did credit my acct for the scam. Do not buy online period anything that you may need serviced. Might be a door in a industrial park.
I ended up ordering the “normal” red “non-Yamaha” version of these generators in this video today based off of this video. Amazon $394. 11/2/21. I could’ve held out for a better price or the Yamaha version, but I honestly don’t think it’ll make much difference for my use.
I honestly don’t think it will either after playing with both. Save your money. Biggest thing is use it frequently or store it properly and change oil frequently like it says. Hope your happy with it. I don’t really see complaints on it. It does what it needs to do. Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching..😀👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends I’ll need to keep up on the oil changes. I’m looking right now at your videos to see when to do the first oil change. Great channel. Keep up the good work
The generator in the middle was a predator 2000 from harbor freight. Well sold at harbor freight. Once upon a time people said that there were many units that had a Honda clone in it. But the only one that really seems that way is the predator 3500. The older model. Which was a copy of the gx200 motor. All the 80cc engines like these seem to pretty much be copies of Yamaha’s MZ-80 engine.
@@johnnysweekends Thanks for the reply! i should be coming up with a yamaha 2000IS today. People think their 10yr old honda is still worth your first born child.
Something else to think of you can get cheaper engine option from Amazon with a 4-year extended warranty for $470. I really think that's the Best buy because of the cheap motor fails you're going to get $400 credit.
Easy, they can actually run a 13500k unit as long as the unit is in good working order. But you will be about maxed out and should maybe up to something a pinch bigger. Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
The only problem with clone engines is that the metals used may not be the same quality than the original engine, so if the Yamaha runs for 2000 hours with little to no wear, the clone may be worn out at the same time with the same oil due to low quality metals in the internals of the engine.
Cool video, in your opinion which one would you choose for a person who goes camping maybe once or twice a year and would really only need a generator to maybe power up some phones and maybe watch a couple of movies on a projector but still would want to respect noise levels. Thank you very much for any information
I do like these for the integrated parallel option meaning you dont need the parallel kit just the cables and go for 2 gen operating. But if only really ever needing want and you want small amd light look at the little champion....like the black one in my other video against predator. I would do champion or just the red one in this video. It truly is the same thing. I have a link in the description and its still at a awesome deal plus you can buy a warranty and not worry about it. These are still better then the fireman. These are about 380...the champion is about 450... Hope this helps
@@johnnysweekends well let me ask you this if you don’t mind, If you were camping and your camping neighbor had a generator on at 7pm which one would you prefer they had for noise purposes? Excluding the Honda. Thanks you
@@johnnysweekends yes, of course. I have used the newer one now a few times and there are a few things I noticed, for one it is a lot better motor then the first unit we got on-sale for $367.00 mind you both are Yamaha motors with AiPower casings. I would wager that the first unit(s) were bought from Yamaha and they may have been used and AiPower did a rebuild or what ever it needed , however, they received the motors etc...
It’s common for large companies to sell there products but just rebadge it or remove the badging. Yamaha has done this for years even when I worked in the water craft business. A new ski brand called wet jet from master craft came out and ran a Yamaha jet ski motor just now badge. But it was exactly the same as a Yamaha 701 motor if I remember. I mean why not sell 1 million engines to a couple companies with out your badge and no responsibility.
The motors may look the same but there is a difference in finished quality of accuracy in the mating surfaces, valves, piston, crank, etc. Meaning; with proper oil changes, you will get much more life out of the Yamaha motor. This is just my opinion.
Have you tore down these model? Same crank, bearings, piston the same? Just curious as I would assume that is where most the price diff would come from. Maybe the Yamaha gen coil is also better with more windings. Never tore these down to fully compare internals
That will come out in the wash, substandard parts will equate to substandard performance. It's a fact that cheap bearings make more noise as do unbalanced cranks. So the fact they produce the same. Results is likely an indication there is also little variation in longevity.
@@johnnysweekends Amazon has the Yamaha version for $399 refurbished right now . I'm thinking years down the road the Yamaha one will outlast the other .
Yea it’s possible. I don’t have any doubts in either engine but I think the electronics will be the first to. But one thing in all these comments I don’t think I have seen anyone really say they have a lot or any issues with the Aipower gens.
C'mon now, you claim to be located in the 2nd sunniest city in the nation yet your plates are California. Second sunniest city in the U.S. is not in Calif so, shame on you (unless of course your RV is registered in Calif and you live in Phonix!). ;-) Great work on the video, useful feedback on dBs (hard to find good vids on this feature) for these gens.
As an owner of a power sports business I can say with complete confidence that the Japanese motor is 100x better in every single way than the non Japanese knockoff .
@@A_Man_In_His_Van then it's junk too then.. my comment was in general terms . I work on motorcycles, ATVs, UTVs and snowmobiles " power sports " . not farm equipment.
Nice video, thanks
My conclusion is that they are exactly the same, same factory, same components, you are paying for the Yamaha name with the blue one, that's it.
It would cost more to have a different assembly run than it is worth IMO. Day shift cranks out Yamaha and night shift cranks out the other.
I have the Red one, 3 years and moderate run time. Carb cleaned once, thanks for a good review
It’s still a great unit and over looked often.
I think the plus on the Yamaha engine is costco sells it, and have a great return policy if it takes a dump or your not happy with it.
Yea Costco is great for returns…👍🏼
Thanks for watching 😀🤙🏻
I believe it’s more about longevity with these two, the Yamaha powered will probably last a lot longer because of it’s quality.
I would agree with that, but for the most part when I see these die or when viewers reply the thing that dies is the ability to put out power. So for the most a electrical issue is the cause and probably the inverter board that has failed I would assume.
When you ran both generators it did double the sound. The way the logarithmic decibel scale works, every 3 dB change is equivalent to doubling the energy of the noise. You went from about 61 to 63.5 which is nearly doubling the energy.
This is true but humans do not detect this. They only perceive double when it’s about 7 db louder.
@@johnnysweekends Sure 👌
Yamaha says their mz80 has cast iron cyl sleeve. That maybe where the cost difference comes in. I dunno if the others are plated or also iron but generally the cheaper motors are plated vs the commercial engines being lined with cast iron.
I don't own one of these generators, but all of my "American branded" lawn equipment has Chinese made engines. I have been using them for almost 12 years and they are still running great. My biggest concern with buying an unrecognized brand product is that parts may not be available when needed. Other than that, if the reviews are good I would have no issues with the Chinese made engine.
Yea some models or brands stick around for years and others fail so then there is the problem . So really it’s how you plan to use the item really.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Very informative. I just bought the red one...happy so far.
You’re welcome glad it helped and thanks for watching👍🏼😀
I’m a small engine mechanic. It doesn’t matter if they look similar or run similar when new. Spend the $200!! If taken care of, your Yamaha engine will last the rest of YOUR life. The Chinese knock-off will not have the quality internals or precise clearances required for longevity.
Nice, what did you see internally that’s different?
Cast or forged piston?
Better quality bearings ?
I assume better crank assembly?
Thank you for going above and beyond a average review👍
Your welcome, and thanks for the feed back and thanks again for watching 👍😃
Yamaha 100% never failed - outboard, scooter - never ever!
Honda - Pilot, Civic, generator - for years!
Kidding me?
$100 extra?
Check that generator in 8 years - mine starts and runs like the day i got out of the box.
Great video! I own the Yamaha 2000, and have worked on a friend's I-Power 2000 (with Yamaha engine) when it needed a carb cleaning. Absolutely amazing how the small inverter gen market has all copied each other over and over. It seems to be mostly a marketing approach, and price point. Speaking of which, I would like to see a comparison of the Generac 3000 or 3300, against the same Craftsman 3000 or 3300 inverter gens. The Craftsman is made by Generac. They have 99-100% identical specs on watts, engine, and weight. But the Craftsman is typically listed for about $100 more!! Either way, they seem to have some of the highest KW ratings for "suitcase" style inverter gens.
Yes for the most part a lot of these are the same. Yamaha I think just decided to sell a lot of engines to who ever wants them. But they have done this for years even when I worked in the watercraft industry they sold jet ski engines to other manufacturers.
So it’s nothing new but I don’t see a exact copy of a Honda to be honest. At first I thought there was copies but no.
The generac and craftsman’s will also be the same but a different case but sometimes the electronics will be different like different features and maybe different inverter board allowing more power.
I will try and add those to the list…👍🏼
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
Could Senci (the maker of AI Power) actually be a contract manufacturer for the Yamaha 80cc engine? Looks like this and the Senci are from the same factory. Who knows if any of the internal spec of QC is better on the Yamaha engine.
The Yamaha MZ80 motor is the most common copied engine by many manufacturers
Walmart has the Yamaha version for $ 500 (we just got one as a backup) so maybe not that much difference out of pocket too. I remember some years back 10 or so when I first saw a south Korean made Honda Trail 70 in Miami. So after S. Korea got the blueprints out of Japan for the Honda QA 50, and the CT 70's it was only a matter of time for more blueprints to find there way out of Japan.
At the end of the day or in this case a few years the generator with that Yamaha name on it will be worth more I believe, then again not much last no matter the brand/name it seems.
Thanks Johnny. Very informative video, as ALWAYS. Do you foresee doing any videos on A-iVolt generators. I just bought an A-iVolt 4300 and would see an informative video on it. Once again Thank you.
Possible since I have had a couple requests lately
The Most important Thing to Do to Make these Little Generators to Last KEEP CLEAN FRESH OIL IN THEM ! I use Shell Rotella or Mobil Devac HD30W
Definitely keep it fresh and change at regular intervals. Even sooner under extreme conditions..👍🏼👊🏼
I purchased the refurbished yamaha Aipower and got a great deal....they put gray covers on it..no big deal...still got a Yamaha motor.!!!
I have seen that one. Great deal to!!
Awesome buy…😀👍🏼
Great comparison video again!
Thank you again.....
More coming...😃👍
@@johnnysweekends Great stuff and look forward to them as they come! Sure glad there are more and more good options now days for a decent generator! It sure helps those looking at purchasing to see someone do some comaparisons for them..
I agree. Honda and Yamaha are great but they are missing 75 percent of the market. Even if they dropped the prices a little i think sales would increase alot.
They are good units though.
But these knock offs are just getting better and better. Its fun to seeing whats different with them, plus gives me a hobbie from my full time job.
The honda restoration video was fun, not just for the finished product but because i got to play with editing and try something different.
Thought about investing into some actual designated video equipment lol.
But what i have works.
Thanks again for the support and glad you like the content.....👍😁🙏
@@johnnysweekends I was really impressed at your dedication to breaking down the Honda EU2000i to clean it all up and reassemble it and also to cover it all in video! How long overall did it take you to do that break down, excluding the video setup time? Wish you the best Brother!!!! GOOD STUFF!!!
Thank you sir. It happened to be a good weekend as i was uninterrupted so between tear down, clean up and assembly about 6 to 8 hrs because i was also moving and checking video stuff.
Then another 4 hrs or so of editing.
Good thing this is a hobbie and not a job lol. Or i would be broke. But it's fun but
between work, and doing side jobs and family it's tough to find time sometimes.
But i still enjoy it.
Like any type of photography or videography editing can take just as long or longer then actual tests.
Thanks again for the feedback. 👍😊
I’m getting the 1500 watt next week
Thank you very much for showcasing these cheaper models!! They are something to consider if I go with the double 2000w generator solution.
Safe travels!
Your welcome 👍🏼 glad I could help.
Hello Johnny, Thanks for the great video. Ahhh Costco price is $550 now, hope Costco will have another sale in the $400-$450 range. All I would rather pay extra $100 to get the Yamaha, 100% Japanese made rather than cheap knockoff from China. Just that typical day the that you REALLY NEED IT! and it doesn't work on you at that time you wish you would had spend the extra $100 and purchase a reliable unit.
Yup sometimes worth it. Both are nice little units.
Thanks for the comment and watching 😀👍🏼
I was more than happy to spend the extra to get the Yamaha motors on the two we ordered. The clone probably would’ve been more than enough for just camping but for only an extra $100
It was worth it
Yea Costco does have good deals on these. 👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends we actually had to order ours through Walmart. Unfortunately our local costco now carries the firman brand with the Yamaha clone motors and online they do have the Yamaha powered sc2300i but i wanted the smaller, lighter and more simplistic sc2000i
Yes not sure about the firman yet. Don’t know anything about them.
Nice video. I have the red one. I wondered really what was the difference between the 2. Thanks for doing this.
Your welcome, i had a few people ask as well so i got curious.....
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍😃
Great reviews always 👍..
Thank you, and thanks for watching 👍🏼😀
thanks for a good video. I will guess the "unknown" machine was a Predator 2000
Thank you, and very good..👍🏼😀😁
I have the clone its working nice, i guess that with good care it should last long
I think it’s under rated and most seem to still run them with no issues with basic care.
Frequent oil changes and always run a fuel stabilizer or fuel conditioner 👍🏼
great video...thank you so much for this and all your generator videos. I am trying to decide on my generator set-up to boondock with my 15,000 BTU AC. I am 63 years old and just do not want to try and lift a 100+ pound genny. I appreciate your reviews.
Thank you so much, and I hear ya. After doing these and moving and lifting them I don’t wanna move them around anymore as well🤣
I really like how small and light the little champions are and it seems they have best customer service and warranty if your not buying Honda or Yamaha.
Most of these all work just fine for Rex use and those are quiet and small and light.
I am thinking maybe a couple 2500 champs and maybe dual fuel but trying to figure out the splitter. Really most times you only need one running.
Idk it’s hard to decide sometimes what’s the best setup. Because they are all loud at full load.
I got two red ones jegs think under 300 at time
The Costco equivalent also has higher wattage 2300 starting and 1800 running.
That’s a newer unit now compared to how long these have been out. Not a bad option.
What a great video!!! Thanks a lot for your time and effort.
Thank you very much. Glad I could help. 👍🏼
🙏🏼😃
Great video. Very very impressed.
Thank you, much appreciated 👍🏼🤜🏻🙏🏼
I bought the yamaha 5yrs ago for 450dollars and have done Nothing but change the oil all the time !! Grrreat gen. Pull rope wore out once !! Id buy more anytime ,, if i ever need another one but this yamaha is killer
It's hard to wear these four stroke motor out Yamaha or off-brand what goes first is the stepper motor carburetor assembly. Just change the oil and will go on just about forever thousands and thousands of hours
Dude these little clones or genuine Yamahas just run for daysssssss.
Yea the thing that dies is the stepper like you said or burning the inverter board up.
I have two red units is it required run green ground when plugging into trailer. Reason I ask converter failed 55 amp messed up electrical bits. Put new 4 stage design in with plug
When paralleled it is recommended to ground the two. When only running one alone you don’t because it can create a shock hazard.
From what I saw, the red normal one has a Chinese clone engine and the Yamaha is a Japanese good engine. I think what it comes down to is longevity. I bet that the Yamaha will last 10 times longer. So if you are only going to run it once a year, go with the cheap one. If you are going I use it a lot and need one to last a long time, go with the Yamaha.
Yea the only way to tell is to tear it apart which I don’t really wanna do.
But back when I worked in the marine and water craft industry and worked on Yamaha seadoo and Kawasaki a brand came out for a bit called mastercraft wetjet duo it was a knock off brand that lasted maybe 2 or 3 years. The power plant was a direct Yamaha jet ski engine and electronics but all Yamaha stamping was removed.
I assume today Yamaha still sells engines along with other companies just with the stamp removed because so many other items need a power plant.
So by looking at them I bet it’s the same engine but only way to be a 100 percent is a tear down.
Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching 👍🏼😃
No it's almost same motor. Who knows maybe Chinese carb better. Had walbro on string trimmer got 11 one including shipping never ran better
Can you do a review about the new A-iPower GXS7100iRD 7100W Dual Fuel Inverter Generator it is available on Costco site.
I will take a look..👍🏼
Yamaha generators were originally manufactured in Japan. However, due to climate an economic conditions, some of the Yamaha generator models are now made in China.
Now they are all made in china apparently. My new 2200 Yamaha was a china made unit.
Which one would you buy after seeing this....???? Is it worth it for the Yamaha engine or are they really the same?
I'll save the $200 Dlls. I can use that for a pre payed chevron gift card ⛽
😅😅👍
What is better A-iPower 7100 or 7600? I can’t find any reviews for 7600. Please do a video. 😊
I really like that unit and Aipower I kinda like champion in a way as they have head quarters in CA and a couple other states. I am looking more into them again as they have really expanded there line. And yea I may do a vid on this one in April….
You turned me onto champion and I would’ve never guessed they were so good. I need the smallest 240 capable unit.
Unfortunately the smallest 240 is still kinda big unless you go with the GenMax parallel and series units.
They are smaller but can put two in series for 240 volt!
Definitely pretty cool…
You can see those here …you need two and the special box
amzn.to/3v1R067
Champion gets to the larger units unfortunately like this one amzn.to/3uYC4FI
Motor is not taking dump they are runners. Electrical maybe suspect sure Honda made better with higher end bits pieces
what was the name of the 3rd generator in the comparison
That was the predator 2000 model from harbor freight
Do you know where i can get a dipstick for ap2000i
For the parallel connection of two generators, do the machines have to be exact twins?
No they do not. they can be miss matched from brands to even sizes. It’s best to stay close and possible brands as well for maybe that just in case but many people have paralleled alot of different brands and sizes. You can watch my parallel video on running two different sizes.
@@johnnysweekends Thanks for the prompt response. Presently, assembling a through-the-wall kit so my generator can be on my covered patio alcove, using the kit to run the power through a portable air conditioner insert in the double-hung window. I am planning on reworking the insert using plywood and gluing insulating material to the insert. My goal is no more EROCOT Surprises (Texas Joke).
No problem, glad I could help. And I’ll find some info on that joke, 😂👍🏼
Great video sir, can you please tell me the quietest generator in this size category you've tested to date? I was thinking it was the champion. or is there a better one?
Pretty much Yamaha and The small champion have been the quietest with I think Yamaha being just a little less. Maybe have to see…😃👍🏼
The Honda EU2200 and EU2000 are the quietest of these suitcase generators. I’ve got the champion myself same levels at those above or close enough.
I’ve been watching these vids hoping to see how to check the hours snd hertz on the display. How does the display get changed?
Neither of these gens have a hour meter or display showing anything ..🤷♂️
@@johnnysweekends thanks for helping. I was thinking the AI Yamaha was similar to the 1800/2300. …
Ahh the small ones don’t have any info unlike the bigger models
A-i Power company is a reshipper. The door in Ca where A-i is located is a industrial strip. No service area etc, a reshipper. Therefore, as I found out, it is a scam. Couple kids on phone dodging calls with no real info. My generator came without all items (included) and still ain't got them.
So this is Amazon dark side. To their credit Amazon did credit my acct for the scam.
Do not buy online period anything that you may need serviced. Might be a door in a industrial park.
Quality.
I ended up ordering the “normal” red “non-Yamaha” version of these generators in this video today based off of this video. Amazon $394. 11/2/21. I could’ve held out for a better price or the Yamaha version, but I honestly don’t think it’ll make much difference for my use.
I honestly don’t think it will either after playing with both. Save your money. Biggest thing is use it frequently or store it properly and change oil frequently like it says.
Hope your happy with it. I don’t really see complaints on it. It does what it needs to do.
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching..😀👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends I’ll need to keep up on the oil changes. I’m looking right now at your videos to see when to do the first oil change. Great channel. Keep up the good work
Thank you…👍🏼
What brand of generator had the Rado honda clone engine in it? you didnt mention the brand of the third one you had on the bench.
The generator in the middle was a predator 2000 from harbor freight. Well sold at harbor freight.
Once upon a time people said that there were many units that had a Honda clone in it. But the only one that really seems that way is the predator 3500. The older model. Which was a copy of the gx200 motor. All the 80cc engines like these seem to pretty much be copies of Yamaha’s MZ-80 engine.
@@johnnysweekends Thanks for the reply! i should be coming up with a yamaha 2000IS today. People think their 10yr old honda is still worth your first born child.
I know I look at some of the used and I’m like I would rather buy a new one lol
Something else to think of you can get cheaper engine option from Amazon with a 4-year extended warranty for $470. I really think that's the Best buy because of the cheap motor fails you're going to get $400 credit.
That’s not bad at all..👍🏼 and it’s still a Yamaha engine with out the stamp.
You think these small generators can run a 5000 btu ac?
Easy, they can actually run a 13500k unit as long as the unit is in good working order. But you will be about maxed out and should maybe up to something a pinch bigger.
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
@@johnnysweekends thanks you for the info. Much appreciated.
Your welcome 👍🏼
Mine runs my 5000 on Eco.
Yup easy 👍🏼
What db meter are you using?
I honestly dont remember it was about $50.
The only problem with clone engines is that the metals used may not be the same quality than the original engine, so if the Yamaha runs for 2000 hours with little to no wear, the clone may be worn out at the same time with the same oil due to low quality metals in the internals of the engine.
And also apart from the engine, the inverter has electronic components that may be generic and last less time.
Will these generators run a sump pump ?
A 120 volt sump pump? I would say yes to most but I would check the pump ratings and see the power specs
@@johnnysweekends Thanks for the info!
You’re welcome 👍🏼😀
Cool video, in your opinion which one would you choose for a person who goes camping maybe once or twice a year and would really only need a generator to maybe power up some phones and maybe watch a couple of movies on a projector but still would want to respect noise levels. Thank you very much for any information
I do like these for the integrated parallel option meaning you dont need the parallel kit just the cables and go for 2 gen operating. But if only really ever needing want and you want small amd light look at the little champion....like the black one in my other video against predator. I would do champion or just the red one in this video. It truly is the same thing.
I have a link in the description and its still at a awesome deal plus you can buy a warranty and not worry about it. These are still better then the fireman.
These are about 380...the champion is about 450...
Hope this helps
@@johnnysweekends well let me ask you this if you don’t mind, If you were camping and your camping neighbor had a generator on at 7pm which one would you prefer they had for noise purposes? Excluding the Honda. Thanks you
@@johnnysweekends What’s your opinion on the Ryobi?
The champion because its alot quieter lol.....
@@johnnysweekends very cool thanks for the info. Will look for a champion
Yamaha, Honda and SENCI are making in manufacture of Senci Chinese that is true.
We have the Yamaha motor version and it also says Yamaha on the Generator itself.
Yamaha 2000 ef2000v2?
@@johnnysweekends yes, of course. I have used the newer one now a few times and there are a few things I noticed, for one it is a lot better motor then the first unit we got on-sale for $367.00 mind you both are Yamaha motors with AiPower casings. I would wager that the first unit(s) were bought from Yamaha and they may have been used and AiPower did a rebuild or what ever it needed , however, they received the motors etc...
It’s common for large companies to sell there products but just rebadge it or remove the badging.
Yamaha has done this for years even when I worked in the water craft business. A new ski brand called wet jet from master craft came out and ran a Yamaha jet ski motor just now badge. But it was exactly the same as a Yamaha 701 motor if I remember.
I mean why not sell 1 million engines to a couple companies with out your badge and no responsibility.
The motors may look the same but there is a difference in finished quality of accuracy in the mating surfaces, valves, piston, crank, etc. Meaning; with proper oil changes, you will get much more life out of the Yamaha motor. This is just my opinion.
Have you tore down these model?
Same crank, bearings, piston the same?
Just curious as I would assume that is where most the price diff would come from.
Maybe the Yamaha gen coil is also better with more windings. Never tore these down to fully compare internals
That will come out in the wash, substandard parts will equate to substandard performance. It's a fact that cheap bearings make more noise as do unbalanced cranks. So the fact they produce the same. Results is likely an indication there is also little variation in longevity.
I know the guy who fixes these under warranty. He told me the blue model is better the red version because of the valving.
Will the Yamaha powered one, run a 5,000 BTU AC??
Yes, that’s small enough.
Maybe a difference in warranty.
Yea maybe. Buy you can buy a Amazon one or even a Costco one. But these are both great little gens for the price. Don’t hear a lot of complaints
I was planning to purchase an Aipower 3450W from Costco but the reviews on Costco's website are terrible, leaking gas and more.
The yamaha version is only 399, granted its refurbished, but you might be getting a better deal
Nice where is that...? Only one available or..?
Its 499 at Costco
Yea they still have it sometimes.
@@johnnysweekends Amazon has the Yamaha version for $399 refurbished right now . I'm thinking years down the road the Yamaha one will outlast the other .
Yea it’s possible. I don’t have any doubts in either engine but I think the electronics will be the first to. But one thing in all these comments I don’t think I have seen anyone really say they have a lot or any issues with the Aipower gens.
Does anyone own these..? Or are you looking to buy? Which one will you get after seeing this?
I own the Yamaha. I am curious if you can parallel the blue and red together. After watching this, I suspect the answer is yes.
Yup you can parallel alot more then you think as long as its compatible or parallel ready like these Yamaha aipower models
I got two reds
Just purchased the Red 2700 that just came out…great vid
Oh nice. Yea I saw that.
And thank you 😀👍🏼
C'mon now, you claim to be located in the 2nd sunniest city in the nation yet your plates are California. Second sunniest city in the U.S. is not in Calif so, shame on you (unless of course your RV is registered in Calif and you live in Phonix!).
;-)
Great work on the video, useful feedback on dBs (hard to find good vids on this feature) for these gens.
Thank you glad you like the video.
And I’m not lying on second sunniest, it may surprise you….😉👍🏼
And sound is bouncing off the concrete wall
And has nothing to do with it. Last I checked a wall can’t amplify sound
QC be dambed
As an owner of a power sports business I can say with complete confidence that the Japanese motor is 100x better in every single way than the non Japanese knockoff .
Awesome, did you tear them down ? What did you find different? Cranks or bearings, pistons the same or cylinder?
No bias there? Data, please.
Lol except that the Yamaha engine is ALSO made in China...
The Yamaha 80cc engines are made at jianshing factory. I'll let you guess where senci factory is....
@@A_Man_In_His_Van then it's junk too then.. my comment was in general terms . I work on motorcycles, ATVs, UTVs and snowmobiles " power sports " . not farm equipment.
You should’ve pointed the gun away from the extension cord because that will cause problems for the generator drawling power
At what part of the video are you referring to?
nope. you're paying for a name. they are all clones of each other.