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Played WoWs since 2015. CVs had me on the edge since rework and now Subs did the final tip. Just cant bring myself to start it anymore. This game was really good once. And the good stuff is still there but WG buried it under a pile of insufferable asscancer.
the only thing that could make this game fun again; adding a consumable that makes your ship unleash a bunch of balloons to the point it turns into a blimp and flies around for a minute and a half
The sub damage saturation is the worst. I hate when I land like six 406mm high explosive shells on a sub and it just takes it on the chin when that sub should've cracked in half
Even the most modern sub of any navy these days woulda simply cease to exist if 1 much less six 16 inch HE shells hit it at once but somehow weegee subs eat it better than most dds do
Yeah a subs buoyancy changes rapidly with any kind of flooding or hull compromise. You can find better sub gameplay in games from the 00s that sold on CD in store shelves. The balance of the game is less important than sales. What a great move for the franchise. Pushing it to the limit
The Uboats themselves sank many ships with 88mm FlaK adaptations for naval use. A battleship shell would send it to the bottom without much regard to deflection. Even splinters would sink or render the submersible craft unable to maintain its operational status. Submarines in this game should be abstracted as something else. Or a submarine game is being developed very slowly and out of date. The spreadsheet value changes arent going to ever resolve CV or Sub balancing and they are probably hoping no one catches on . Who knows but it's sad to see the game transform into a chore. Everything that made the game successful has been left as an afterthought. Battleship mains were good anchors for a point. Slow but they can make a decisive move in one barrage of the primaries. The cruisers and destroyers were fine as well. Refining those 3 formed a nice triangular balance in the game and was a lot of fun. Happy players = fun game and excitement. WG could just level with the customers. The game would be worth spending money on if they would release a remastered or classic version without the paid crates. Just have normal sales. Whoever they consulted for marketing is not understanding that new players don't want the game to play like a mobile game ported to PC.
@@Chironex_Fleckeri I completely agree, especially with that last part. PotatoQuality made a good video talking about it but to paraphrase, WG is heading in a mobile game format because mobile games rake in some of the largest profits in the gaming industry. You can see clearly with each event that passes where there are layered currencies designed to trick you into forgetting you're spending real money. Game design doesn't matter when you can release broken overpowered content that people will grab at with their wallets
Wargaming created a ship type that is difficult to be detected and countered by surface ships but can weaken the concealment value of destroyers and deva strike large ships. Interestingly, the most effective method of anti-submarines is submarine civil war, but most submarines prefer to destroy heavy surface ships for the number in the upper right corner, that is why submarines are hated by many people just like aircraft carriers.
Really? In co-op I can't even ping a submerged red sub let alone damage it. If I'm diving deeper and really close it lands maybe one time in 10. And yes, I realise this is a skill issue, of which I have 36% (T6+); but sub vs sub seems an unlikely most effective method.
Spreadsheet says it is not a problem and that you are having fun. I was watching Asmongold today dumping on devs who focus on spreadsheets instead of actually playing and doing things that make the game fun to play. His video was about DIV, but could just as easily be applied to WoWS
Played WoWs since 2015. CVs had me on the edge since rework and now Subs did the final tip. Just cant bring myself to start it anymore. This game was really good once. And the good stuff is still there but WG buried it under a pile of insufferable asscancer.
Wait just until they will drop subs with planes. I-400, Ettore Fieramosca, M-2 and ofc Surcouf. Even Zee germans had something going on with the type XI boats.
I was in a ranked game were the enemy gato just press W and shotgun the shit out of our 3 bbs, nothing to warn, nothing to do we just insta loss and that sub did 3k xp.
Here's an idea for WG how about for one season for randoms they give the option for no CV's and no Sub's and see how the spreadsheet looks afterwards... on if we want CV's and Subs in game...
Flamu, US subs have a consumable that boosts their Dive Plane speed. Regardless i too am surprised how quickly he dove away from those shells, not sure if he actually used it or not.
I got shot-gunned twice in the one game in the Tulsa, managed to dodge "some" on the first attempt nose on, 15 secs later a new batch came from 90 degrees and ended me, I couldn't believe how fast the Balao was, I was still in the maneuver from evading the first assassination attempt, the worst thing was I had Radar on the whole time and still had no idea where he was, yet he was spotting me the whole time.
It's still my favorite thing to do with the non-homing torps. Just rock up on someone at periscope depth and put a spread into their broadside - for extra lulz, let them detect you before you dive so they know what's about to happen. The salt is epic.
now now, they didnt say it wasnt possible, they just said it isnt likely because it "puts the sub in a very exposed position" despite it being able to crash dive faster than an Me262
Its like mario kart when your on the third lap and there's green shells bouncing everywhere and everyone behind you have red shells loaded and you then hit that banana skin . (obviously though Mario kart is real fun)
@@jonasmunch2131so you run away all the time? Is that the future of wows??? Running away? Pfff, stop saying bullshit seriously. Subs are fcking killing the fun of this game
Could've easily dodged it by not starting your wargaming client and pressing on a play button... Not a single sub shotgunned me in the last month while using this lifehack
I am reinstalling the game after a long break right now. I don´t remember when I last played, but I don´t think subs were even in testing yet when I last lost interest in the game. Bets are open as to how long until I uninstall again xD
I'm just waiting on the day that they give subs a torp that does infinite damage or some shit might as well given that they never intended for subs to be balanced in the first place.
I averaged 60% WR over 10k games and never in my life since 2016 have i felt so helpless after being shotgunned in my DD by subs. I cant push caps with friendly BBs anymore so just kite until its clear and its almost impossible to gain damage if theres a sub between me and the enemy team. Went from 1-200k damage games to 10-30k when there is a sub at my caps.
Enjoyed the video more because I enjoyed watching you laugh at the stupidity of it all rather than appreciation for gameplay from anyone else on your team or red. Shotgunning not a thing Flamu - Ahskance would tell you that the submarine players were just really good at "reading the turn". #justdodge. Frankly when BG3 launches on 3rd August I will join the army of people who are now finding something else to do with their time.
I'd almost accept shotgunning if subs actually had a weak point like all the other ships which have a citadel or how destroyers can't submerge whenever they want. One shell should devstrike a sub its just stupid.
This is why I dont give WG a penny anymore, and refuse to do random battles. Its so boring... Had some fun during the asymmetric battles, but they had to remove that in 12.6 of course.
SUBMARINE SHOTGUN ATTACKS are EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT... I doubt I'll be seeing another one any time soon... LOL! WeeGee: Here's a MILLION F11's for a job well done at turning the game into an epic shit-storm.
WTF i have just played a game in the kleber and the firing range is 1km short of the henry iv???? ive relogged in and its still showing 18.9km and I've had a few games and i can fire to nearly 19KM!!!!! hahaha WG you have broken the kleber thank the maker its so much fun from this range hahaha ps i have taken screen shots if you want confirmation 😁
Can we take the League of Legends approach and REPORT anyone for Playing Poorly or Bad Manners for playing Subs and Carriers? Maybe Wargaming will pull their head so far up their own butt that it rights itself?
I do that every day, sadly I only have 11 reports because I can't get my karma any higher. I even offer to pay people compliments who report the subs when I run out of them lol
💩Greyhound. Greyhound, Greyhound. 💩 This is Gray Wolf. We hunt you and your friends Eagle, Dicky and Harry. We watch your ships sinking into the deep. We hear the screams of your comrades as they die. How many of them will there be before you join them? The Gray Wolf is so very hungry. Your women will learn of your dying… 🤣🤢🤮
I hate subs too, on the other hand I have watched you in DD's, Cruisers, and BB's get 5, 6, and 7 kill krakens time and time again, when a bad player plays a ship, like the subs on your team, they suck, when a good player plays a ship, like the Balao on the red team, they get some kills too. A really good player can kill even you my friend, in a dd, a sub or a bb.
So pathetic Flamu just has to laugh at the dented-ness of the game design !!! Yay! CV's , yay! Sub's, & coming soon ... YAY! Support CV'S , dropping mines all around us !!m. God i wish someone would clone the original format of WoWs!!! Even be happy if china did it!!!
See, the joke is that it's a metaphor for what WeeGee are doing to their own game. Just shitting all over it, until only the financially incentivised still play the garbage.
There's a reason I love watching this game but hate playing this game. And that reason is not paying WG a single dubblooon. Don't invest in WG and find a decent gaming company to support.
I'm so glad i cannot play this game anymore becausz my internet data got limited so i can't update the game (and my account is EU so i'd get a shitty unplayable ping since i moved somewhere where an ASIA account would be better), because holy shit this is so fucking bad, the game is in a trash state.
If they don't kill you on the shotgun they can just surface into you and do absurd damage ramming. I sincerely wish unhappy and short lives for WG execs.
this game is so full of bs ....wg is just killing there own game...i played massachuttes today a cruiser full broadside 5km and i couldnt even get cit hit and damage 4k....this game is the joke of the century ....bringing bs ships out but decent balance i think wg never heard of that
Kinda worrying that I don't even get angry anymore, it's just silly at this point.
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Played WoWs since 2015. CVs had me on the edge since rework and now Subs did the final tip. Just cant bring myself to start it anymore.
This game was really good once. And the good stuff is still there but WG buried it under a pile of insufferable asscancer.
When the sub shotguns you, press space to jump over the torps. Skill issue.
the only thing that could make this game fun again; adding a consumable that makes your ship unleash a bunch of balloons to the point it turns into a blimp and flies around for a minute and a half
bring on the nukes
@@zacharyjackson1829yes
I actually never experienced being shotgunned by a sub. I stopped playing before subs went live :D
Good life choice kekw
i got lucky as well. left after the CV rework myself
I stopped last year with 20k battles thanks to wargaming not listening to the veteran players
The sub damage saturation is the worst. I hate when I land like six 406mm high explosive shells on a sub and it just takes it on the chin when that sub should've cracked in half
Even the most modern sub of any navy these days woulda simply cease to exist if 1 much less six 16 inch HE shells hit it at once but somehow weegee subs eat it better than most dds do
9 overpen 460 yama gun ---> 18x460mm holes on hull, still can ez dive and emerge :D
Yeah a subs buoyancy changes rapidly with any kind of flooding or hull compromise. You can find better sub gameplay in games from the 00s that sold on CD in store shelves. The balance of the game is less important than sales. What a great move for the franchise. Pushing it to the limit
The Uboats themselves sank many ships with 88mm FlaK adaptations for naval use. A battleship shell would send it to the bottom without much regard to deflection. Even splinters would sink or render the submersible craft unable to maintain its operational status. Submarines in this game should be abstracted as something else. Or a submarine game is being developed very slowly and out of date. The spreadsheet value changes arent going to ever resolve CV or Sub balancing and they are probably hoping no one catches on . Who knows but it's sad to see the game transform into a chore. Everything that made the game successful has been left as an afterthought. Battleship mains were good anchors for a point. Slow but they can make a decisive move in one barrage of the primaries. The cruisers and destroyers were fine as well. Refining those 3 formed a nice triangular balance in the game and was a lot of fun. Happy players = fun game and excitement. WG could just level with the customers. The game would be worth spending money on if they would release a remastered or classic version without the paid crates. Just have normal sales. Whoever they consulted for marketing is not understanding that new players don't want the game to play like a mobile game ported to PC.
@@Chironex_Fleckeri I completely agree, especially with that last part. PotatoQuality made a good video talking about it but to paraphrase, WG is heading in a mobile game format because mobile games rake in some of the largest profits in the gaming industry. You can see clearly with each event that passes where there are layered currencies designed to trick you into forgetting you're spending real money. Game design doesn't matter when you can release broken overpowered content that people will grab at with their wallets
i searched decades for a sub shotgunning a ship. Glad i found one. :)
Wargaming created a ship type that is difficult to be detected and countered by surface ships but can weaken the concealment value of destroyers and deva strike large ships. Interestingly, the most effective method of anti-submarines is submarine civil war, but most submarines prefer to destroy heavy surface ships for the number in the upper right corner, that is why submarines are hated by many people just like aircraft carriers.
Really? In co-op I can't even ping a submerged red sub let alone damage it. If I'm diving deeper and really close it lands maybe one time in 10. And yes, I realise this is a skill issue, of which I have 36% (T6+); but sub vs sub seems an unlikely most effective method.
More Training Camp 'Simple Manoeuvres' required! TY Flamu 🙏🙏
Spreadsheet says it is not a problem and that you are having fun.
I was watching Asmongold today dumping on devs who focus on spreadsheets instead of actually playing and doing things that make the game fun to play. His video was about DIV, but could just as easily be applied to WoWS
Played WoWs since 2015. CVs had me on the edge since rework and now Subs did the final tip. Just cant bring myself to start it anymore.
This game was really good once. And the good stuff is still there but WG buried it under a pile of insufferable asscancer.
Wait just until they will drop subs with planes. I-400, Ettore Fieramosca, M-2 and ofc Surcouf. Even Zee germans had something going on with the type XI boats.
I was in a ranked game were the enemy gato just press W and shotgun the shit out of our 3 bbs, nothing to warn, nothing to do we just insta loss and that sub did 3k xp.
and than wg is suprised people leave the game and never come back i bet in this and 2 years its game over for wows because of there bs
dont forget to report that asshole as _Misbehavior in chat_ & _Play poorly_ then blacklist it too
I'll never forget watching the Wargaming live stream when they said shotgunning doesn't happen, as the ship they were playing got shotgunned.
I'm so thankful to Flamuu for always making sure to obliterate any feelings of nostalgia trying to get me to reinstall this game.
What's even more funny, is that the sub that finished top belongs to a clan called 'GSPOT' lmao
Here's an idea for WG how about for one season for randoms they give the option for no CV's and no Sub's and see how the spreadsheet looks afterwards... on if we want CV's and Subs in game...
Flamu, US subs have a consumable that boosts their Dive Plane speed. Regardless i too am surprised how quickly he dove away from those shells, not sure if he actually used it or not.
LET'S IMAGINE that shotgunning is an issue.
(Don't worry guys, they said it themselves that it isn't an issue.)
I got shot-gunned twice in the one game in the Tulsa, managed to dodge "some" on the first attempt nose on, 15 secs later a new batch came from 90 degrees and ended me, I couldn't believe how fast the Balao was, I was still in the maneuver from evading the first assassination attempt, the worst thing was I had Radar on the whole time and still had no idea where he was, yet he was spotting me the whole time.
"But Flamu, shotguns are so rare. So rare, in fact, that they don't exist. Therefore, shotguns don't exist. What can you do? Subs are here."
"World of Warships: A thinking man's action game."
i remember when this game was so good ............. sad what its become.
This is how most of my matches went before I uninstalled. Like most toxic relationships, no more anger = no more caring.
They made subs more op then real life
you think those are not subs those are speedboats on crack
Yeah, I'm never coming back to this game, as if the CVs weren't enough before.
'Submarines cannot shotgun enemy ships' - WG
Riiiiiiiight
It's still my favorite thing to do with the non-homing torps. Just rock up on someone at periscope depth and put a spread into their broadside - for extra lulz, let them detect you before you dive so they know what's about to happen. The salt is epic.
@@gfimadcatyeah and you are killing the game you bast&rd. be proud d&mb@ss
now now, they didnt say it wasnt possible, they just said it isnt likely because it "puts the sub in a very exposed position" despite it being able to crash dive faster than an Me262
That triple sub & double CV game last week is forever engraved in the balans-section of my brain. If only one Weegee employee played their own game...
This looks fun! I see no issues, absolutely no issues. Nooooooo issues at all. Whatsoever.
Love the bottom tier games. Some people used to hate receiving the Paolo Emilio smoke + shotgun, but now we have something even better
Its like mario kart when your on the third lap and there's green shells bouncing everywhere and everyone behind you have red shells loaded and you then hit that banana skin . (obviously though Mario kart is real fun)
There are Millions of players on NA server, so you getting shot gunned by a Submarine every match is very Rare! flamuBS xD
Yeah. All those millions and millions of players.
Get it right, my guy. It's hundreds of billions of players.
You forgot to do a simple maneuver...
could've easily dodged those torps by just sinking or flying away. I really don't understand why people struggle so much with that.
@@jonasmunch2131so you run away all the time? Is that the future of wows??? Running away? Pfff, stop saying bullshit seriously. Subs are fcking killing the fun of this game
Could've easily dodged it by not starting your wargaming client and pressing on a play button... Not a single sub shotgunned me in the last month while using this lifehack
@@karlosmehil7754 It's a simple spell but quite unbreakable.
The thinking man's action game.
I am reinstalling the game after a long break right now. I don´t remember when I last played, but I don´t think subs were even in testing yet when I last lost interest in the game. Bets are open as to how long until I uninstall again xD
It can still be somewhat of a fun game if you treat it as casually as possible and just quit at the first sign of getting salty
I bet you'll make it 5 matches before realizing your mistake
so you just uninstalled now
That Balo still had 16.4k HP xD WG
I'm just waiting on the day that they give subs a torp that does infinite damage or some shit might as well given that they never intended for subs to be balanced in the first place.
Ugh. 5:10. Why arent you turning back for C about this time?
The thinking man's action game☺, makes you think why you play this game.
According to the spreadsheet, everyone who got shotgunned had a fun abd engaging time.
Spreadsheet shows that you are having fun
Shotgunning isn't just rare, it's highly risky for the submarine and can only be carried out by the most skilled, elite players.
You just *happen* to only face the most elite sub players in the world.
Had a game with this + CV, endresult was that I closed the game and uninstalled. Have not played since. Started playing in closed beta....
I averaged 60% WR over 10k games and never in my life since 2016 have i felt so helpless after being shotgunned in my DD by subs. I cant push caps with friendly BBs anymore so just kite until its clear and its almost impossible to gain damage if theres a sub between me and the enemy team. Went from 1-200k damage games to 10-30k when there is a sub at my caps.
It sad really how many of us laugh at someone actively causing themselves brain damage for our entertainment.
Enjoyed the video more because I enjoyed watching you laugh at the stupidity of it all rather than appreciation for gameplay from anyone else on your team or red.
Shotgunning not a thing Flamu - Ahskance would tell you that the submarine players were just really good at "reading the turn". #justdodge.
Frankly when BG3 launches on 3rd August I will join the army of people who are now finding something else to do with their time.
BG3?
@@xmlthegreat Baldurs Gate 3
I'd almost accept shotgunning if subs actually had a weak point like all the other ships which have a citadel or how destroyers can't submerge whenever they want. One shell should devstrike a sub its just stupid.
"Shotgunning doesn't exist."
PEAK DESIGN
This is why I dont give WG a penny anymore, and refuse to do random battles. Its so boring...
Had some fun during the asymmetric battles, but they had to remove that in 12.6 of course.
need a xenomorph camo for sub with those take down
Baka flolo, turn the rudder faster
first kita ive seen on na
SUBMARINE SHOTGUN ATTACKS are EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT... I doubt I'll be seeing another one any time soon... LOL! WeeGee: Here's a MILLION F11's for a job well done at turning the game into an epic shit-storm.
WTF i have just played a game in the kleber and the firing range is 1km short of the henry iv???? ive relogged in and its still showing 18.9km and I've had a few games and i can fire to nearly 19KM!!!!! hahaha WG you have broken the kleber thank the maker its so much fun from this range hahaha ps i have taken screen shots if you want confirmation 😁
Can we take the League of Legends approach and REPORT anyone for Playing Poorly or Bad Manners for playing Subs and Carriers?
Maybe Wargaming will pull their head so far up their own butt that it rights itself?
I do that every day, sadly I only have 11 reports because I can't get my karma any higher. I even offer to pay people compliments who report the subs when I run out of them lol
Like WG will give any shit about it? Jokes on you, the don't lmao
i always do that. reporting those subhumans as _Misbehavior in chat_ is the best way to interact with them
The report button in WoWs is merely a karma system. WG couldn't care less, it's already a miracle when they manually mute someone.
While Flamu is a much better play than I (I am not even close), I think his play style makes him particularly susceptible to getting shotgunned.
I keep watching Flamu and Flambas WoWs videos to remind myself why i never wanna play this game again XD
💩Greyhound. Greyhound, Greyhound. 💩
This is Gray Wolf.
We hunt you and your friends
Eagle, Dicky and Harry.
We watch your ships sinking into the deep.
We hear the screams of your comrades
as they die.
How many of them will there be
before you join them?
The Gray Wolf is so very hungry.
Your women will learn of your dying…
🤣🤢🤮
I hate subs too, on the other hand I have watched you in DD's, Cruisers, and BB's get 5, 6, and 7 kill krakens time and time again, when a bad player plays a ship, like the subs on your team, they suck, when a good player plays a ship, like the Balao on the red team, they get some kills too. A really good player can kill even you my friend, in a dd, a sub or a bb.
totally no respect to German BB, I like that.
W
wg just loves to give little bullyes more chance to bully.
Should have performed a simple maneuver and just uninstall
So pathetic Flamu just has to laugh at the dented-ness of the game design !!! Yay! CV's , yay! Sub's, & coming soon ... YAY! Support CV'S , dropping mines all around us !!m. God i wish someone would clone the original format of WoWs!!! Even be happy if china did it!!!
don't you guys have WASD?
I uninstalled this game after years of playing it. Do not regret the decision.
Bro just dodge
stalin bias talks
Tallinn notoriously OP ship
just dogde
See, the joke is that it's a metaphor for what WeeGee are doing to their own game.
Just shitting all over it, until only the financially incentivised still play the garbage.
Confirming my choice to finally uninstall last week 😂
Wargamers loves to cheat.
There's a reason I love watching this game but hate playing this game. And that reason is not paying WG a single dubblooon. Don't invest in WG and find a decent gaming company to support.
wg denial at its paramount, worth the fun.....its becoming questionable.
Dunno, watching this game just made me angry.
Just dodge
I'm so glad i cannot play this game anymore becausz my internet data got limited so i can't update the game (and my account is EU so i'd get a shitty unplayable ping since i moved somewhere where an ASIA account would be better), because holy shit this is so fucking bad, the game is in a trash state.
Playing ships in 23 is an admission of masochism.
If they don't kill you on the shotgun they can just surface into you and do absurd damage ramming. I sincerely wish unhappy and short lives for WG execs.
I really hope to see WG execs on r/combatfootage
this game is so full of bs ....wg is just killing there own game...i played massachuttes today a cruiser full broadside 5km and i couldnt even get cit hit and damage 4k....this game is the joke of the century ....bringing bs ships out but decent balance i think wg never heard of that
So when is the hybrid sub with radar, hydro, and 12 SAP secondaries coming out?