Head shake was a fairly common problem with the 2015-16 Super Adventures. Most people were able to fix it through some combination of adjusting the steering bearing, truing/balancing the wheel, and tire selection. With such a short rake, the SA is very sensitive to anything else unsettling the front-end stability. Also, a lot of the early SA's shipped with poor quality control on the bearing and wheel so one person might have a rock-solid bike, and another gets tank slappers.
Also just a characteristic of a 21inch front wheel I think. Ridden a few dual sports, none of them top end bikes like the 1290 but all had a bit of head shake on freeway at times, nothing major. I’d be surprised if 1290 ever got a tank slapper on the highway.
If you adjust the front brake lever out it completely changes the feel and you realize that the brakes are excellent. For some reason KTM sets the brake lever in too close and it tricks you into thinking they are weak since it is almost to the grip when it kicks in hard. Just turn the set wheel a couple to move it out and it is much better.
I get the feeling that Ryan F9 is a Wes Anderson fan. I originally found this channel because of this video, as I looking to buy a ktm 1290. Great job, and this time watching I noticed the front wheel comment. Now, I need to find how bad the seat heat issue is.
I had the 1190 for 2 years in our rental fleet, awesome bike, but during the summer here in California, we have a lot complains about the heat in the rear cylinder head (yes the seat have the heat shield). Short riders will suffer, tall riders can move the seat to the high position and they will suffer less. Also, I guess Wings? Make a heat/air channel deflector which will help the air move around. In general in my opinion, maintenance and parts are more expensive then the BMW. Love the bike, but... Moving to Honda AT.
You should make a 90-degree summer weather gear video, I have not seemed to have found one and you guys are the highest quality channel so do your thang. Thanks!
I own the 2018 S model. No the bike is not perfect and it does have some electrical glitches screen does flicker and the My ride is a novelty. The motor is like nothing else it handles like a true sports bike. The WP forks are outstanding and it comfort is an all day rider with an aftermarket seat that stock one is a plank. I can only say that this bike is a gem maybe the best all all a rounder I have ever owned. The electronics package is maybe the best offered on a street bike. I`m to short for the R but I can only imagine the insanity of this bike on loose ground...
Excellent MotoVlog. Well done. Very entertaining and a lot of interesting opinions, even for those of us who saw your nonetheless excellent "traditionnal" review video of the bike on FortNine's very channel.
Hey Mr. Video Editor, if you're reading this, good job, buddy. Enjoyed your work tremendously. I mean, some of it gave me a migraine, but I chuckled more than massaging my head so its all good. =)
The more I see these and read about them, the more I totally want one. So the 1290 is not much heavier than the 1190 but has more torque and basically the same specs everywhere else?
From a hot sunny South Africa ‘ I doff my cap for your absolute enthusiasm no matter the freezing conditions in Canada. Amazing stuff man. I’ve got a 2018 V Strom 1000 XT , lovely bike , should. I switch ? Your honest reviews are spot on. I had the AFRICA Twin. Got rid of it as it was a dog on the pavement. Spot on observation. Had I viewed your vlog on it I wouldn’t have bought it. Cheers and come to SA to ride one day ✌️
I’ve had one of these for four years. No problem whatsoever with the front brake. The adjustments on that bike must’ve been out, or grease on the disc or something. I have found this bike to be an incredible all-rounder. Ridiculously powerful but very well-behaved. Extremely narrow so perfect in town. But also a great motorway cruiser. Haven’t taken off road (would absolutely love to) but I imagine it would be incredible there as well from what I’ve seen on videos and considering KTM heritage.
The Heidenau K60 Scouts are great tyres. I had a set on the Beemer GS (for winter) and loved them. TKC 70 have a road feel with aggressive looking tread but the wear strangely. TKC 80 seems too off road biassed for my taste but hey it’s supposed to be dual purpose. :)
Steering jiggle happens on all bikes between 20 and 60 mph. Cruisers wiggle at the slow end sports at the top end. Mid range stuff around 40mph. Tight steering bearings aggravate the issue.
can relate to roasting ass, not ass but legs, when the 790 electro kicks in your leggs will look like fried chiken, also, you mentioned the 1200gs killer, in my town(150.000 people), since 2013 they sold 90 ktm adventure bikes, so i think people love it haha
adjustable clutch levers. about $30 heat shield material about $15 dollars two fixes, bleed and re-oil your front and back brakes = better front brakes.
I have the S version way better for road, front brake i adjusted a bit the lever and improved a lot.. Some stuff you said about paviment issues... Kinda normal it's focused for off-road and some of that stuff makes it not so good at paviment... Try S version if u want great paviment performance
GS killer, hardly. I went in to buy one. After riding and comparing it to the GSA, guess what I walked out with. Not taking anything away from the KTM. Great bike, awesome motor. But the brakes, comfort level, the ride stability...it all is inferior to the GS or in my case the GSA. I was actually disappointed because I really wanted the KTM. But I'm perfectly happy with the GSA. In one month, I have put over 3k miles on the GSA including one round trip from NC down to Key West and back. Something I don't think I could have done comfortably with the KTM.
Until you go offload. Once you dump that GSA and have to pay 2k to fix it you will then realize why the KTM is a much better "Adventure" bike. I have owned 7 GS's so this is from experience. If I wanted an "Adventure bike" just to travel the freeways and roads the BMW is great. The KTM will always have a better fun factor and I prefer it anyway on the road. WAAAAy better engine!
@rickhouston2144 ah...so if you choose to ride a BMW, you're not in shape uh...what an absolutely immature comment to make. Now, if you want to come here with an intelligent comment about why you chose a KTM, then do so. But comments like this just make people completely ignore anything you have to say.
09:08 he didn't just get 'stuck, a little bit'- he had a mini stroke and ran off the beaten path (evidence: observe closely the dull forced sulen face and slight drool from corner of mouth)
Greetings! Great channel! Keep those videos coming........based on your experience since you've tested and the africa twin which one would you choose? Reliability is first on my list.......
Hot chocolate?...maybe. I'm sure you and Marc Andre were spiking your Timmies with Chic Chic Spiced Rum at the end of a chilly day. Great video as usual Ryan.
Good show, but.... When is someone going to do a real review of the 2 big guns, the Ducati Multi Enduro and this KTM 1290 SA R? I think MCN said they were working on it but people want to know whats the best bike. Don't think you'll see Chris Birch on the Ducati anytime soon.. Thanks !
ADV bikes are great...unless you have to turn around or lay it over or have an off camber hill or hit a slippery root or have a rutted trail or need to go up a steep slippery hill climb...basically any off road activity.
Time to go off-road. Okay..... *** cue the Jeopardy music *** ....and we're back. Settings all engaged, buttons all pushed, menus all gone through, now we can go. Oh wait, time's up.
@@exothermal.sprocket I'm not looking at going pro-off road. More like something that behaves like a sportbike every day, while it still is (moderately) good on dirt.
Great Vid. However, and this is most of the Big ADV Bike reviews are missing, and falling short, this Bike suppose to take you on a Long Distance multi-Day in the saddle in different kind of terrain and weather, reviewing them like motocross or street (Weekend or commuter) miss the purpose, mean giving the indication on how those Big Puppies behave when fully and properly loaded ready for the Cross Country /Continents Adventure
Ryan have you tested the triumph tiger 800 xcx with 21 inch wheel? It also has WP suspension which KTM uses and is lighter! If you put a booster plug on the tiger it has all the smooth roll on power you need IMHO?
How would an update of this video with latest model KTM differ or be worthwhile or even necessary??? Is this site still functioning or dormant??? Super sad if the latter !! Awesome videos ☺️😀
cant wait for them to come out with the Husky 1291 version so we can at least get out of the single color scheme. KTM could double sales of these things just by allowing 2-3 super sexy color configs.
Not something KTM does. Not sure why, but if it's an issue, fairings aren't too expensive. Tank would probably be the worst bit. I think it's a branding thing though. Like how a Ducati is almost always that one shade of red. KTM is the off-road equivalent of a Ducati, high performance, higher maintenance.
Captndarty I figure if you could at least paint the frame you could get the rest vinyl wrapped. The White & Orange just look a little Tonka Toy, know what I mean? Lol All black would be best. Maybe Black & gold or Black & Blue blue. Even Black & Orange. But 90% black
Great video again!!! You are referring to the 1200 GS multiple times - have you done a review of this bike already? Otherwise what about testing the new GS Rallye? Cheers
Hey @fortnine Where are those 3 spots on island? I'm fairly sure that's along the Deux-Montagnes train before Bois-Franc, but where are the others?! Thanks!
A question to everyone here: Does anyone of you know whether there are sound differences between the Leovince SBK GP Style and the Leovince Lv One, or whether there really are any sound differences? 🤔 (Optionally referred to the Yamaha yzf r125 re06)
Hey ! Can you do a set up of your trail gear ? like your jacket accessories, helmet, all this ? And also, i have a TDR 125, and i want to make it more look like a Trail, what can i do ? thanks, i love your videos :)
FortNine I'm using a GoPro 5 with a cheap $3 adapter and $2 mic from eBay but audio quality is really crap. Is your camera a GoPro 5? I wasn't sure other adaptors would work on them as most people suggested buying GoPro's big massive adaptor for around $70
Without saying "who cares it's an adventure bike," can anyone tell me the 0-60 time on this bike? Considering the 1190 had the acclaimed 0-60 and even ktm touted those numbers and with the new models you only hear 'more tamed' 'linear' I'm guessing it's slower maybe even in the 3 seconds. Does anyone know?
The "excited moto-vlogger" text explosions were a great touch!
Head shake was a fairly common problem with the 2015-16 Super Adventures. Most people were able to fix it through some combination of adjusting the steering bearing, truing/balancing the wheel, and tire selection. With such a short rake, the SA is very sensitive to anything else unsettling the front-end stability. Also, a lot of the early SA's shipped with poor quality control on the bearing and wheel so one person might have a rock-solid bike, and another gets tank slappers.
Also just a characteristic of a 21inch front wheel I think. Ridden a few dual sports, none of them top end bikes like the 1290 but all had a bit of head shake on freeway at times, nothing major. I’d be surprised if 1290 ever got a tank slapper on the highway.
If you adjust the front brake lever out it completely changes the feel and you realize that the brakes are excellent. For some reason KTM sets the brake lever in too close and it tricks you into thinking they are weak since it is almost to the grip when it kicks in hard. Just turn the set wheel a couple to move it out and it is much better.
@@jasondial9274 no u stoopid ;
Good stuff F9. Humor is on point as always and an "I don't know" conclusion says it very well.
At least the seat will keep you warm when you're cold
That’s something that I would want lol, I’m always cold even when it’s hot out
I get the feeling that Ryan F9 is a Wes Anderson fan. I originally found this channel because of this video, as I looking to buy a ktm 1290.
Great job, and this time watching I noticed the front wheel comment. Now, I need to find how bad the seat heat issue is.
Turning around on a narrow steep single track is always exciting. Nice video! My 14 S still runs great...
Thanks for another great video.
Can you do a personal one?
Meaning who are you, what do you do and how did you get here (history).
Cheers stay safe...
Lived in Mtl for 25 years and i don't know why, i get excited whenever you guys film in places that i'm familiar with
I had the 1190 for 2 years in our rental fleet, awesome bike, but during the summer here in California, we have a lot complains about the heat in the rear cylinder head (yes the seat have the heat shield). Short riders will suffer, tall riders can move the seat to the high position and they will suffer less. Also, I guess Wings? Make a heat/air channel deflector which will help the air move around. In general in my opinion, maintenance and parts are more expensive then the BMW. Love the bike, but... Moving to Honda AT.
Will you also review the 1090 Adventure R? I'm waiting for you review before eventually buy one.
Terrific job, I love your channel!
Love from Italy!
Thanks for the fun... and the candid reviews! Wouldn't think it had crap brakes either... GREAT INFO!
You should make a 90-degree summer weather gear video, I have not seemed to have found one and you guys are the highest quality channel so do your thang. Thanks!
Can’t leave out a visit to Timmy’s in Montreal, Canada ..... 04:35 time stamp. That was a funny surprise. Thanks for a very informative review. Cheers
I own the 2018 S model. No the bike is not perfect and it does have some electrical glitches screen does flicker and the My ride is a novelty. The motor is like nothing else it handles like a true sports bike. The WP forks are outstanding and it comfort is an all day rider with an aftermarket seat that stock one is a plank. I can only say that this bike is a gem maybe the best all all a rounder I have ever owned. The electronics package is maybe the best offered on a street bike.
I`m to short for the R but I can only imagine the insanity of this bike on loose ground...
Excellent MotoVlog. Well done.
Very entertaining and a lot of interesting opinions, even for those of us who saw your nonetheless excellent "traditionnal" review video of the bike on FortNine's very channel.
These bikes are weapons! I love mine, destroys the competition.
this is a very nice vlogging style!!! loved it
I own a 2017 1290 and the front brake is fantastic
Hey Mr. Video Editor, if you're reading this, good job, buddy. Enjoyed your work tremendously. I mean, some of it gave me a migraine, but I chuckled more than massaging my head so its all good. =)
4 Pistons. LOL. Whoever came up with that needs a raise. Thumbs up for an honest review.
Brisk, witty and efficient in content. Well done!
You are amazing reviewer... hope one day you will be top of all reviewer... keep it up...
It’s an off-road bike it’s supposed to have soft bite for a front brake..
The more I see these and read about them, the more I totally want one. So the 1290 is not much heavier than the 1190 but has more torque and basically the same specs everywhere else?
From a hot sunny South Africa ‘ I doff my cap for your absolute enthusiasm no matter the freezing conditions in Canada. Amazing stuff man. I’ve got a 2018 V Strom 1000 XT , lovely bike , should. I switch ? Your honest reviews are spot on. I had the AFRICA Twin. Got rid of it as it was a dog on the pavement. Spot on observation. Had I viewed your vlog on it I wouldn’t have bought it. Cheers and come to SA to ride one day ✌️
Love the videos. You have a dream job. Keep up the good work.
STRANGH editting!! like the style!
I’ve had one of these for four years. No problem whatsoever with the front brake. The adjustments on that bike must’ve been out, or grease on the disc or something.
I have found this bike to be an incredible all-rounder. Ridiculously powerful but very well-behaved. Extremely narrow so perfect in town. But also a great motorway cruiser. Haven’t taken off road (would absolutely love to) but I imagine it would be incredible there as well from what I’ve seen on videos and considering KTM heritage.
front brakes on the 1290 SAR are incredible...i have no problem shredding on mine!
When are you doing a comparison with the 1090R?
The Heidenau K60 Scouts are great tyres. I had a set on the Beemer GS (for winter) and loved them. TKC 70 have a road feel with aggressive looking tread but the wear strangely. TKC 80 seems too off road biassed for my taste but hey it’s supposed to be dual purpose. :)
Great video, I'm great improvement from the firsts motovlogs
Great to hear. We;ll continue to try and make them interesting ~TeamF9
@@FortNine please bring back these vlogs
Steering jiggle happens on all bikes between 20 and 60 mph. Cruisers wiggle at the slow end sports at the top end. Mid range stuff around 40mph. Tight steering bearings aggravate the issue.
hey man, I love the way you do your videos, thanks, and I would like to see some naked bikes reviews and of course more adventure bikes.
very nice Video :)
sub since 1 year still love youre Videos
sry for my Bad english :/
greeting from Germany
40 W heading towards Decarie! Man I miss my hometown.
Yes. Good job Steve. The editing doesn't make me want to kill myself, but is still funny. This is a good amount of editing.
can relate to roasting ass, not ass but legs, when the 790 electro kicks in your leggs will look like fried chiken, also, you mentioned the 1200gs killer, in my town(150.000 people), since 2013 they sold 90 ktm adventure bikes, so i think people love it haha
adjustable clutch levers. about $30 heat shield material about $15 dollars two fixes, bleed and re-oil your front and back brakes = better front brakes.
Maybe I’ll be able to afford one in another 6 years . Hopefully they’ll hold together that long! 🤞
I know you have riden the BMW GS but what about a tiger XC or XCA
Your friend has the coolest name
I have the S version way better for road, front brake i adjusted a bit the lever and improved a lot.. Some stuff you said about paviment issues... Kinda normal it's focused for off-road and some of that stuff makes it not so good at paviment... Try S version if u want great paviment performance
GS killer, hardly. I went in to buy one. After riding and comparing it to the GSA, guess what I walked out with. Not taking anything away from the KTM. Great bike, awesome motor. But the brakes, comfort level, the ride stability...it all is inferior to the GS or in my case the GSA. I was actually disappointed because I really wanted the KTM. But I'm perfectly happy with the GSA. In one month, I have put over 3k miles on the GSA including one round trip from NC down to Key West and back. Something I don't think I could have done comfortably with the KTM.
Until you go offload. Once you dump that GSA and have to pay 2k to fix it you will then realize why the KTM is a much better "Adventure" bike. I have owned 7 GS's so this is from experience. If I wanted an "Adventure bike" just to travel the freeways and roads the BMW is great. The KTM will always have a better fun factor and I prefer it anyway on the road. WAAAAy better engine!
Yes the GS is the better bike for road use and limited off road the ktm is for someone who is really going to use a bike off road more than on.
If you want a bull get the KTM, if you’re not fit enough get anything else.
@rickhouston2144 ah...so if you choose to ride a BMW, you're not in shape uh...what an absolutely immature comment to make. Now, if you want to come here with an intelligent comment about why you chose a KTM, then do so. But comments like this just make people completely ignore anything you have to say.
09:08 he didn't just get 'stuck, a little bit'- he had a mini stroke and ran off the beaten path (evidence: observe closely the dull forced sulen face and slight drool from corner of mouth)
Greetings! Great channel! Keep those videos coming........based on your experience since you've tested and the africa twin which one would you choose? Reliability is first on my list.......
Ah Stomp Grip ...A product that I know I needed but didn't know existed, thanks homie
Hot chocolate?...maybe. I'm sure you and Marc Andre were spiking your Timmies with Chic Chic Spiced Rum at the end of a chilly day. Great video as usual Ryan.
Good show, but.... When is someone going to do a real review of the 2 big guns, the Ducati Multi Enduro and this KTM 1290 SA R? I think MCN said they were working on it but people want to know whats the best bike. Don't think you'll see Chris Birch on the Ducati anytime soon.. Thanks !
ADV bikes are great...unless you have to turn around or lay it over or have an off camber hill or hit a slippery root or have a rutted trail or need to go up a steep slippery hill climb...basically any off road activity.
the brakes need to be re-bled mate if the engagement point is floating and she isnt grabing it isnt bled properly
Time to go off-road. Okay.....
*** cue the Jeopardy music ***
....and we're back. Settings all engaged, buttons all pushed, menus all gone through, now we can go.
Oh wait, time's up.
Bruh go buy a dual sport if you want _that_
@@sivvinod3187 What was I supposed to want?
@@exothermal.sprocket no electronics or menus or TFT or anything.
@@sivvinod3187 And what do you want?
@@exothermal.sprocket I'm not looking at going pro-off road. More like something that behaves like a sportbike every day, while it still is (moderately) good on dirt.
Great Vid. However, and this is most of the Big ADV Bike reviews are missing, and falling short, this Bike suppose to take you on a Long Distance multi-Day in the saddle in different kind of terrain and weather, reviewing them like motocross or street (Weekend or commuter) miss the purpose, mean giving the indication on how those Big Puppies behave when fully and properly loaded ready for the Cross Country /Continents Adventure
love the big LED dash
Please test the Ducati MSE. it also has 160 bhp and I think you will be surprised. I own one and love it!
did you ever just switch off the TC!? Breaks are superbe. Should have tried the 990 ADV.
listen to Ryan at .5 speed....he is soooo drunk😂😂😂
1:34
Nope, just all of it once you do that.
How did you disable the hill hold control? Can you switch it off in the controls or did you pull the fuse?
Ok so I want to across Canada. Vancouver to Montréal. Should i go for the ktm 1290, or the V-storm 1000?
DR650
Definitely the V-Strom 1000, unless you plan on doing large portions that are *seriously* off-road. ~RF9
This bike vs my Honda Grom ......let's see which one win ;)
Razer Loche joking?
You think?? :D
Haha I love my grom man. They are SUPER quick 😂😂😂
@@motogromer8703 "crazy quick"
I think you'll die on a superduke if you consider a grom quick
Still trying to decide between KTM Super Adventure 1290 and an Africe Twin
I think the more apt comparison is to the S1000XR not the GS/GSA.
That was my take anyway.
hi ryan, can you tell me where is that entrance of your dirt road video section?
Have you done or can you do a bmw 1250 GS adventure review type video.??
Thanks and love ya work. :)
Ryan have you tested the triumph tiger 800 xcx with 21 inch wheel? It also has WP suspension which KTM uses and is lighter! If you put a booster plug on the tiger it has all the smooth roll on power you need IMHO?
How would an update of this video with latest model KTM differ or be worthwhile or even necessary??? Is this site still functioning or dormant??? Super sad if the latter !! Awesome videos ☺️😀
best bike of 2017 hope the qualty is the same as japanes motorcycles
cant wait for them to come out with the Husky 1291 version so we can at least get out of the single color scheme. KTM could double sales of these things just by allowing 2-3 super sexy color configs.
Not something KTM does. Not sure why, but if it's an issue, fairings aren't too expensive. Tank would probably be the worst bit. I think it's a branding thing though. Like how a Ducati is almost always that one shade of red. KTM is the off-road equivalent of a Ducati, high performance, higher maintenance.
Just buy the fairings from the S. The orange frame and crash bars with the charcoal would look sick.
Captndarty I figure if you could at least paint the frame you could get the rest vinyl wrapped. The White & Orange just look a little Tonka Toy, know what I mean? Lol All black would be best. Maybe Black & gold or Black & Blue blue. Even Black & Orange. But 90% black
that looks like a hella fun bike
'My bum is HOT' (c) RyanF9, June 2017
Great video again!!! You are referring to the 1200 GS multiple times - have you done a review of this bike already? Otherwise what about testing the new GS Rallye? Cheers
Hey Ryan ! Where do you ride off road near Montreal ? :)
Do multistrada next please
Has he done triumph tiger?
Hey @fortnine Where are those 3 spots on island?
I'm fairly sure that's along the Deux-Montagnes train before Bois-Franc, but where are the others?!
Thanks!
A question to everyone here:
Does anyone of you know whether there are sound differences between the Leovince SBK GP Style and the Leovince Lv One, or whether there really are any sound differences? 🤔 (Optionally referred to the Yamaha yzf r125 re06)
Hey ! Can you do a set up of your trail gear ? like your jacket accessories, helmet, all this ? And also, i have a TDR 125, and i want to make it more look like a Trail, what can i do ? thanks, i love your videos :)
What's camera and mic set up? Audio is so clear !!
Audio is done with a Zoom H4n connected to a Sony Electret Condenser lav mic (taped to the inside of my chin bar). Video is just GoPro :) ~RF9
FortNine I'm using a GoPro 5 with a cheap $3 adapter and $2 mic from eBay but audio quality is really crap. Is your camera a GoPro 5? I wasn't sure other adaptors would work on them as most people suggested buying GoPro's big massive adaptor for around $70
When was this video taken ? You have snow in June ? PS Great video :)
Any chance on a 690 enduro r review in the near future?
Can you do a ride review of the duke 690?
Any theories on why the front brake is a little weak?
the cables squish down. steel braided cables are a simple fix
65BAJA brake pads, cable
when was this filmed ? did summer not get over there?
Kojy where is it summer time already?
haha a few weeks ago. Mother Nature is pretty fickled in our neck of the woods
Canada cold till May
I like it cause I can snowmobile for months
790 Adv., S vs R, please!
Hey Ryan great video, i'm from Montreal too, just wondering what you thought of the roads in our big city?
what does detuned mean and how do you detune an engine? do you change the timing or what?
Was ist, wenn ich mir die Maschine kaufe und auf einer längeren Tour feststelle, dass mein Hintern zu warm wird? Aufgrund der Hitze vom Motor?
Excellent video, help me a lot :)
The hot seat may aid somewhat against a nasty condition some riders get when going long distance in the wet, hem, hem!
ever thought about doing a review of the best Neckbraces?
i always ride with one but i don't know a lot about them :(
Funny. I know the guy who has that bike now... and it has a bash plate now. lol!
You gonna do a review on the 790 adventure?
For a 50/50 on/of road use which one would you recommend: 1290 R or 1290 S? Great video!
1090
none.
Waiting for the RE Himalayan review
Im new to motorcycles, would this bike be ok for a starting, cuz i rlly want it😭😂
What did you eventually get, man?
Gotta feed our Timmies addiction.
Hey I want to see you pull Marc Andre out of the mud 😂
can u review Universal Motorcycle Lever Lock?
Do you know if the 1290 super adventure T comes with the new digital display?
Nope. Same as the 2016 SA
Without saying "who cares it's an adventure bike," can anyone tell me the 0-60 time on this bike? Considering the 1190 had the acclaimed 0-60 and even ktm touted those numbers and with the new models you only hear 'more tamed' 'linear' I'm guessing it's slower maybe even in the 3 seconds. Does anyone know?