I've been noticing that too. My answer would be similar to how people were obsessed with British, Australian, Brazilian, South Korean, and Colombian men. I know there are other countries, but those are the countries that stand out to me.
I don’t think it’s necessarily anything to do with other countries. There’s always been a strange affinity to Irish people in general across the world mainly because there’s a huge Irish diaspora but also a lot of people think Ireland there’s something quite mythical about it or something so there’s a bit of that too.
I don’t really understand this video because Irish actors have always been considered conventionally attractive way before this spout of Irish actors recently like Pierce Brosnan, Johnathan Rhys Meyers , Colin Farrell , Gabriel Byrne. There’s been loads over the decades
As a Mexican all my life I have heard appreciation and love for the Irish, fun fact the Irish immigrants changed sides during the Mexican American war and fought for Mexico’s side after realizing we were also a catholic and predominantly native country. Since that time the people of Mexico see the Irish people as brothers and sisters and love to mention their soldiers during the war, I have heard that there is also a link between native american people and Irish people, Ireland’s political legacy is broader than people think
San Patricio's Brigade. :) I think the link you mention between the Irish and Native Americans could be the Choctaw tribe who sent aid/money to Ireland during the 'Great Hunger' in the 1800's and Irish people returned the favour during Covid.
San Patrisios ,that's right we were to fight with the abritush against ye ,but whilst camping at border realised we the same just ye had a tan !! So we changed sidea and fought to die ,because if caught would be sudden death anyway ..was a brilliant battle and honoured in At Patrick's day parade..many of the men survived and settled and married within community ..hense why see some with auburn or red hair and freckles...
I deadass was about to comment this! I'm Mexican too :) But I would also add that based on Irish comedians and street interviews, I will die on the hill that the Irish & Mexicans are cousins across the sea. I think we share similar wavelengthd in our cultures, views of the world, & again, comedy.
as someone who's been a fan of hozier for a while, I think that (some) fans take the more acceptable parts of his irishness - his accent etc - and don't pay as much attention to how much of his music is informed by its history and politics. notable songs include foreigners god, take me to church, eat your young, butchered tongue and empire now. songs from his latest album like de selby pt 1 also feature him singing in Irish. as a british indian (a conflicting experience) i often relate to the music he makes about colonialism
THIS!! Irish person and Fellow Hozier fan here and I've definitely noticed this too! It really does feel like some people like to focus on framing him as more mystical/otherworldly which often goes along with a dismissal of the serious political and social commentary and messages of his music. It can kind of feel a bit reductive at times as it feels like some people see him as fae or something rather than the literal human that he is.
@@watsonmelon6575 I'm not even a particularly huge Hozier fan but I've noticed this as well! There's a whole Fey Lord thing particularly American fans seem to have and it definitely feels reductive at times
Ireland a three quarters of a small island is being colonised by the African, Indian, Asian and South American continents now, soon the Irish will be a minority on their own onlýhomeland but that's a good thing, coz the Oirish have very very pale skin, so eff dem😢
The reception of Barry Keoghan post-Saltburn felt like a flashback to the reception of Benedict Cumberbatch after Sherlock, so I'm glad I wasn't off in thinking that.
this recent phenomenon really reminds me of how tumblr/other social medias to a lesser extent LOVED british men in the early to mid 2010s. shows like doctor who, sherlock, etc. were huge, but also 1D and just like. british actors were everywhere on tumblr. its probably linked to that 'soft exoticism' that you spoke about as well lol EDIT: wrote this before finishing the vid lol. never knew about the term teaboo
1.accent 2.great actors. 3.beautiful but not perfect. 4.bashful. 5.confident 6.great banter. 7.cheeky 8.sarchasm. 9.wit. 10.great craic. 11. Genuine. 12.personality. 13. Friendly. 14. Home Town boys. 15. They are irish were all awesome. ❤
I have no idea what is going on because i've been on the Hozier and Andrew Scott fan wagon for over a decade but as long as this doesn't tokenize irish people or make them feel uncomfortable, let the girlies thirst after irish lads!
It's funny because we are in a unique zone where the usual concepts of tokenism or fetishisation kinda break down for some reason when we're all the same race. And trust me. Irish lads are well happy even if it is either of those things, Irish women can be pretty ferocious and hard to impress bc we see nothing but Irish lads day in and day out so they're nothing new to us x'D
The change in Irish politics you mention is something I've been thinking about for a while. I recently saw Small Things Like These and the whole time I just kept thinking about how my parents were in their 20s during the 80s when the story is set but now I'm in my 20s now and a movie about it borders on horror for me - such a wild shift to see/experience
@@elleliteracy My Mam is raging about it being set in the 80's. "Well, it wasn't like that for me", she said. She had me in 1987 in Co. Wexford and her experience was she had no problems, but she was in her 30's and independent with a good job and her own house before she met Dad and she had strong family support. Her and Dad got married a bit after I was born. Mam was the one who felt it wasn't necessary to marry, but my parents did so I could go to school (Yeah, that was an unwritten limitation into the 90's). They filmed the movie of "Small Things..." in my hometown of New Ross and loads of people from town were extras. My cousin's young son was in a Christmas crowd scene and he had the best time on set. A stark contrast to the subject matter. A friend of mine who is a bit younger than my Mam had her child taken from her in the mid 80's without her consent and he was sent to Liverpool. They found each other again when he was in his 30's. I also found out that a relative experienced a similar situation in the 80's so there's a cousin I will probably never get to know somewhere in the UK or the U.S. who was taken from his mother as a baby. Mam and Dad wanted to adopt him (before they found out Mam was pregnant) but none of the family even got to see him 😢 My mother-in-law is in her 80's and from Liverpool and she found out later in life (and after he passed away, sadly) that her granddad was born in Howth, Co. Dublin and adopted out of Ireland by the Catholic church.
Great video! I'm a Scottish Canadian with family on my grandmother's side from Glasgow and I wanted to share some thoughts about this topic... I believe Scotland is similarly romanticized to Ireland, probably in huge part because of movies like Braveheart. When I went to Scotland last year to see my family a lot of the people when addressing tourists either explicitly or implicitly rejected the sort of common ideas people have about the country (kilts, bagpipes, seething hatred of the English, etc.). All polite about it, but watching this video and hearing you speak about Irishness as "comforting exoticism" hit me pretty close to home and I imagine it would for a lot of Scots who deal with similar perception. I recently wrote an essay for my eighteenth century history class about how romantic narratives about Scotland obfuscate a much more complicated and interesting national story, and it also lets upper-class Scots off the hook for collaborating with the British colonial project while obscuring Scots who actually were suppressed (mostly poor Gaelic Highlanders whose cultural customs were seen as backwards and who, interestingly enough, were often called more Irish than Scottish by the upper-class Lowlanders). I really wish the reality was more widely understood. I love my heritage, but I do not love how people ignore many of the implications of it for the sake of having unproblematic Europeans™ to look up to. I don't know about thirst for Scottish men though. I mean, it is apparently the third sexiest accent with Irish as the first, and I'm sure James MacAvoy at least has his enthusiasts.
k interesting; I wrote an essay about the role of Scots as both colonized and colonizers through history (but mostly sorta 1600-1900s), it was really neat. because like it's totally a colonized nation but also played a huge role colonizing as part of the British Empire back when it was in full swing.
that essay sounds so interesting!! yeah I think Ireland and Scotland definitely have a lot of overlap in how we're viewed abroad (doesn't help we're often confused for one another lol)
Thank you so much. I have to be honest and say I read ‘Canadian with a Scottish background’ and physically braced myself for something ignorant, only to be presently surprised. Thank you for reading about you ancestors’ history and being honest about it. You are spot on. I’m half Irish, half Scottish and living in Northern Ireland is torturous. The support for colonial Scottish identity is romantised, normalised and encoded into every day life as a ‘valid opinion’ when in reality it does not survive evidence-based scrutiny. There’s a reason why so many Orange (that’s Orange as in, the sociopolitical identity, not a stand-in for protestant) so-called ‘heritage museums’ exist; you have to bend or fully rewrite history to position the Scottish role in British imperialism as being ‘harmless’ or ‘necessary’. At the same time, however, being Scottish, it becomes tiring to engage with my other cultural half without being entangled in said politics. Or worse, being told that your disagreement with their ideology means you ‘hate Scottish culture’ when you very much don’t lol People doing work like yourself, even in another continent , helps to undo the ahistorical nonsense that permeates discussion of the Scottish identity. Thank you, seriously. I’d love to read you paper if you ever feel like publishing it
There’s always been Irish actors who were considered attractive. What there wasn’t was social media. Pierce Brosnan, Gabriel Byrne, Patrick Bergin, Stuart Townsend, Colin Farrell, Jonathan Rhys Meyers, Liam Neeson, Peter O’Toole etc. Nowadays people can fangirl together over people and create a buzz online.
@ He considered himself Irish, spent much of his time in Ireland and was an Irish citizen. But sure, England can claim him. I don’t really give a sh1t. And I didn’t say Stuart Townsend was very famous. But he did have a legion of fangirls back in the day.
In the mean time, here's a list of some Irish people that I am a fan of that aren't just limited to conventionally attractive white men. - TV Writer/Actress Sharon Horgan - TV Writer/Actress/Comedian Aisling Bea - TV Writer/Actress Roisin Gallagher - Rapper Rejjie Snow - Alt Singer Spider - Singer Shiv (She's my fave!) - Indie Alt Singer Efé (prounounced Ef-Ay) - RnB Singer Tidah
It’s so funny watching this as an Irish person because within Ireland most of us would say foreigners are way more attractive than we are. I know I definitely hated my accent and pale skin growing up lol
I just moved to Ireland to study journalism and I’ve noticed most of what you said and I just wanted to say thanks for putting it so brilliantly and making it enjoyable as well!
As an American, I’ve visited Canada, Ireland, England and Italy. The Irish were by far the friendliest. I enjoy my trip to Dublin and Howth and hope to visit again soon.
I love Kneecap as well. Loved the movie. I live in a small city in Finland and the movie was the way I found out that we have a very small Irish population here, as when I saw the movie, it was just me and two Irish guys. One of them warned the other that since he didn't know Irish, he might not get everything, because the subtitles would only be in FInnish and Swedish. But again, the movie was just great. Probably in my top 3 for the year.
I was in Finland early November visiting Lapland with my family. We were walking through the town centre at night & I hear this young Irish student lad chatting up his Finnish friend dropping the hints for her to come along for a drink. 😂 it was so obvious to me being Irish but the poor girl had not copped his Irish subtle way of asking her out. She eventually agreed & he looked delighted. 🤩
I wonder if this trend didn't start with Liam Cunningham's portrayal of Ser Davos in Game of Thrones (or at least it was a stepping stone), where he really embodies general tropes of Irish soft masculinity... I don't think the character's particularly sexy, but he's charming, humorous and charismatic, and doesn't take himself too seriously. Also, in a show where so many of the characters' worth is dependant on their fighting capabilities and on being generally violent, he was very refreshing, and likeable in a similar way that we like the personae of Paul Mescal or Andrew Scott...
Omg, this!!! I love that man. Anytime I see him in a movie I’m excited. He’s wonderful. Isn’t the actor that plays Petyr Baelish? Aiden Gillen, Irish too? I don’t get that excited whenever I see him though because he’s always playing a villainous character.
i've been in love with cillian murphy's face in a 90s/00s goth girl way since i first saw him twenty years ago and was a niall girl back in my day, alllllll of y'all are new here and need to get to the BACK of the line!!!!!!!!
I actually liked all the actors and actresses you mentioned individually and one day realized they are all irish 😂 For me it was the kind of quiet confidence they seem to have. They never seem to feel the need to portray themselves as any more and grand than they are and I'm drawn to people like that. Also when I visited Ireland the friendliness of the people reminded me of Slovenia, where I grew up :)
Remember Stuart Townsend, Jonathan Rhys Meyers (The Tudors) - they had that look, too. They were hearthrobs in the 90s. I remember Intermission with very young Cillian and Colin. Also last but not least, Domhnall Gleeson ( About Time, The Revanant).
Totally second the Blindboy recc! His mind must be like a 3-dimensional detective map, with intricately entangled red string linking disparate topics back to spice bags, somehow
I'm a big fan of the comedic trio Foil Arms & Hog, and when speaking with other non-Irish fans, the key elements that always come back when mentioning what we find attractive about them is very similar to what you say in your video, and that is mainly : a gentle, non-threatening masculinity. (The accent plays a big part as well, I couldn't really explain why but it does!)
I could listen to that Irish accent for the rest of my life and never get tired of it. I say the same thing about the various UK and Aussie accents as well
Got me. I have had a soft spot for Irish accents since I went to Co.Antrim in my 20s. Now I'm ancient and I happily drool listening to Fontaines DC . That's fulfilling in itself.
American with Irish ancestry here - I live and grew up in Southern California with hardly any Irish people, most of my peers growing up were of Filipino and Mexican descent, and also fellow Catholics. I always felt so at home with them-lol I desperately wished I could do folklórico (a traditional Mexican dance) like my classmates. Now, it’s so funny to hear these same friends say that the Irish are the Mexicans of Europe 😅 I studied abroad in Ireland in college and that set off learning more about Irish history and culture, I can totally see the similarities now between the Irish and my Filipino and Mexican friends and neighbors I grew up with and love so much. And learning more about the Irish-Palestinian solidarity, likewise, it all makes sense, and the more I learn about Irish history, language (thanks kneecap!), celtic spirituality, etc the more I think I’m falling in love with Ireland. I used to not be a fan of my pale sunburnt skin and red hair, but now do 😅 these Irish men are just the cherry on top!
You are very wrong about trying to be some kind of "Indigenous Irish-American" living in the U.S. with similarities to the Palestinians. Your family moved to the U.S. and became settler-colonials. You are the Israelis in this picture. Trying to change your status is called a settler-move-to-innocence. A shit ton of Americans are trying to identify with Palestinians when they are the Israeli colonizers. LoL That goes for Filipinos and Mexicans too. Mexico is a colonial state not a race. There are many white Mexicans who claim only Spanish blood. Filipinos love to move to the U.S. and claim that they are "displaced Indigenous" people when they are also settler-colonials. Just because someone is brown doesn't make them Indigenous. The fact that you didn't even acknowledge Native people whose lands you occupy means that you are trying to identify with other brown settlers and know nothing about the history of this continent. Yet you're also claiming ancestral ties with Ireland. The U.S. is a diaspora country with no culture so lots of people like you are culture vultures. I'm Lakota and my people have been here for over 15,000 years. Ten million Native people died during colonization so that settler colonials could do their whole "I'm American but I love my ancestral home country" Okay. Then go home and be with your ancestors. There are 3 million Native people enrolled in 570+ federally recognized tribes today. There are many other tribes with state recognition who are waiting for federal approval status. Most of the U.S. is on unceded land because the U.S. government broke 500 treaties made with different tribes for the exhange of land for goods and services. This is part of the U.S. Constitution by the way. Tribes today have survived multiple attempts at genocide, residential schools, the loss of languages and ceremonial knowledge. Irish people living in Ireland also went through colonization but Irish-Americans don't get to claim that. You are an American settler.
There are definitely some strong similarities between Irish, Mexicans and Filipinos... Culturally quite different from Palestine, but very similar historical experiences on the receiving end of settler colonialism.
@lizmldnd Westmeath connection with Argentina Tens of thousands of Argentinians can trace their ancestry back to the Irish Midlands. A number of Westmeath families from several locations throughout the county emigrated to Argentina throughout the nineteenth century, achieving high positions in political, business and ecclesiastical circles. The above title may surprise many readers. Even more surprising is the link between places like Buenos Aires, Pergamino, Salto and San Antonio de Areco with Westmeath towns and villages such as Ballymore, Ballynacarrigy, Castlepollard and Moyvore. So how did this connection come about? To find the answer, we must take ourselves back to the beginning of the nineteenth century when Spain was the imperial power in Argentina. In this period a wave of wars of independence swept Spanish America, led by Simon Bolivar, Bernardo O’Higgins, Jose Artigas and Jose de San Martin. San Martin was the hero of the Argentine War of Independence which was achieved in 1816. Admiral William Brown from Foxford, Co Mayo played a prominent role in the war of independence, being the founder of the Argentine Navy.
@lizmldnd I tried to send you a link about the connections, but YT not allowing,suppose we first were brought over by the Engkish during a failed tale over ,and we were left there! We started moving from Ireland, and America and Brazil to you as we were treated very well by you.we went into sheep farming for wool and meat production, and then we fought during the war of independence..ye very much welcomed is and we were safe and prosperous, so thanking you 😀
Obviously, as you highlighted, it's nothing new. Back in the 90s, everyone loved Liam Neeson, Patrick Bergin, Gabriel Byrne, Fiona Shaw, Sean Hughes, Sinead O'Connor, Dolores O'Riordan, Dana. It's something that occurs every generation.
I can somewhat relate to and understand this.... as a Greek (Greek American, technically). Greece hasn't colonized anything since antiquity, and after we were Christianized, we became colonized and occupied and enslaved by the Ottoman Turks. And we didn't had any help from other countries when we fought for our independence from the Turks (we did have supporters such as Lord Byron). And also like the Irish, we Greeks (along with Italians) were discriminated in America in the early days. We weren't considered "proper whites" or "not white enough" (i.e. WASPs). And we too resent the British state/government for stealing our ancient relics and treasures. And we are also very proud of our culture. Zeto Ellada!
I visit Greece 🇬🇷 once a year and I fell in love with greece.. I’m Irish, you have an amazing culture and I hope Greece will become richer and successful in the future.. ❤❤
As someone who growing up had a massive crush on Cillian Murphy after watching 28 Days Later and now I have a crush on Paul Mescal idk lol I mean there is a prototype of Irish heartthrob American media keeps pushing out because we all know the average Irish man does not look like Cillian Murphy I mean if they do I'll be there in a heartbeat but something about their aesthetic the dark hair with the pale skin high cheekbones and ice blue eyes idk they kinda look like vampires in the hottest way possible
when i talk about my lifelong love for 90s/00s goth girls cillian is always part of that conversation, if anything he was the blueprint in my eyes!! LMAO
@@grizzlyalmighty2 girl! Same 😂 I had a massive crush on Cillian growing up like I was so in love with him but I mean those who get it get it I just remember when 28 Days Later came out every girl was like in love with him lol 😆 he was that guy he doesn't look bad now but in his the was just dreamy
it's always so funny seeing people thirst over cillian murphy as if that man isn't from cork 😭😭 i guarantee none of them have seen the video of him speaking with his original accent
NGL I had a huge crush on Cillian Murphy growing up like I was obsessed with him after watching 28 Days Later I remember a lot girls fell in love with him after that movie came out
I find it interesting that you can state that Ireland has been free from colonial rule for 100 years, whilst also including artists like kneecap in your discussion. Sorry if this comes across as cheeky I really don't mean it to, there's just a funny cognitive dissonance when trying to discuss it. Also, the wind that shakes the barley is about the war of independence/the civil war rather than the Troubles, and I would absolutely recommend watching it, class film
I'm being pedantic here like, but 24:18 "Ireland is not a part of Britain", feels a little reductive of the North, particularly as you've been referring to Ireland as meaning the whole island throughout the video. Also being so picky here but technically the info on screen is also somewhat wrong, as it states that Ireland has been a republic since 1922, it became a republic in the 50s before then it was still a member of the British commonwealth and members of the government had to swear allegiance to the queen. Not trying to be the unnecessary "um actually" person, the reason for my comment is just a difference of perspective, for example when you talked on Ireland being politically unproblematic in recent years, I can't help but think about how the North had no sitting government for the second time in the last decade. I just think Ireland isn't the utopia that some people seem to think it is, sure the troubles may technically be over but racial tensions and violence is ever growing.
My theory: considering my mother and her friends used to simp for Irish men my whole childhood, I think this has always been a thing and gen z is just starting to get affected by it and the internet makes it easier to see
The Irish idea of notion it the exact same idea we have here in Denmark. It's called Janteloven (Law of Jante), so maybe it's a common thing among small nations.
I've been living in England now for the past 3 months trying to describe this feeling of knowing that I'm not treated as the same type of "exotic" and knowing that people are probably kinder to me than they would be to "different foreigners"
I feel like there are a lot of similarities between how Irish men and Australian men come across to the rest of the world - and onviously that's not accidental ⛴️👮🏻♀️. They come across as laid back, down to earth, not taking themselves too seriously, and there's a similar mechanism where Australian's seen as getting too big for their britches will be cut down - we call it Tall Poppy Syndrome. It's interesting.
Super interesting video and really well done. I’d love to add a point being from the United States. Firstly I think you’re absolutely correct in saying that the female Irish celebrities don’t acrue the same following as male celebrities. As a straight guy myself I’d assume it’s primarily due to the culture of thirsting and the MASSIVE difference in the way male celebrities and female celebrities are followed where straight guys don’t go nearly as in depth (in my experience) when it comes to celebrity crush culture and it tends to very much be surface level. This is a shame as I’m well aware female celebrities have a lot to offer and shouldn’t be overlooked like Aisling Bea who is both funny and beautiful. Secondly, I think people from outside of the states tend to overlook the importance of heritage to many Americans. I do think the line between nationality and ethnicity/heritage gets blurred and misunderstood way too much, America is/was populated largely by immigration and something like 25% of Americans have some degree of Irish ancestry originating from emigration from Ireland after the famine through to the early 1900s and Irish immigrants famously worked on a railroad crucial to the Industrial Revolution and production of goods during that time. The heritage of an individual is not overly important and not something people tend to overly identify with but is usually at the very least a conversation starter. The growing movement, at least in the States, of learning about your heritage has probably played at least a little bit of a role in the curiosity of Irish culture and slight affinity for learning more about it. Irish politics spoken by celebrities, it seems, tend to be similar to much of what the American left believes, while most of what you had mentioned about women’s and lgbtq+ rights and how it was a recent addition to the law is not common knowledge for Americans allowing us to align more with their beliefs without actually knowing much. Just wanted to lend my thoughts and this being my first video I’ve seen of yours, you’ve gained a new follower I liked this video a lot!
This is a generalisation.. but my favourite part of Ireland is the staunch support of social justice. Whether is LGBTQAI+ or Palestine.. Ireland is almost(?) always on the right side of history.
This is a point of pride. Our stance on Palestine and being the first nation to legalize abortion and gay marriage by referendum (the citizens voted directly for this, it wasn't decided by our TDs (parliament). We have opposed all wars in recent years, from Afganistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and certainly all wars related to Palestine.
@Ashmurtagh100 not surprising, we have one of the worst healthcare systems in Europe to begin with so I wouldn't expect gender affirming care to be any different...
@@IcarianX Please elaborate on why you think us voting out the Eight Amendment was in any way a source of "pride". We were one of the last nations in Europe to truly value the gift that is life and that was all wiped out by a supermajority of our population. Cite Palestine and our compassion towards the historical struggle of gay people all you want, I'm with you. But abortion?
As one of “my great great grandmother came over from Ireland” people, my entire family, though long since disconnected from the Ireland still have a very deep sense of affection, care, and reverence for Ireland and so I have been brought up my entire life watching Irish media, having crushes on Irish dudes, and knowing when I am older I will also take the pilgrimage to visit our ancestral counties so then it becoming mainstream is very funny for me 😂
I love that I made it twenty minutes into the video before I connected it to the fact that my bf of 14 years is Irish. 😂 Wasn't until you talked about the Irish accent, because he doesn't have much of an accent both because he was made to speak without Irish idioms and slang by his mother and then moved at 18. Also the lights 👍🏼
great video and i think you really hit the nail on the head with a lot of these points. side note the timing of this is perfect because i just accepted an offer for a Masters in Public History at Trinity College for next year. And really for me one of the main things that influenced my choice was the way the program emphasizes education on historical oppressions and how we have to reckon with the past to bring about a more equitable future which is something i'm incredibly passionate about. I'm sure some people will assume im going there because of normal people but ive actually never even seen the show/read the book (i know i should at some point). i do love a lot of these irish celebs tho so i'm not excluded from this haha (the girlies too nicola give me one chance!)
I feel like it's the similiar for Scottish people. There is a certain tokenism with that. Of course Scotland is always in that double role of coloniser and colonised country, so its different. I however sometimes feel that people also love Ireland/Scotland because it gives an 'umproblematic' opportunity to live out a romanticised version of whiteness that might feel less problematic. At least I feel like that as a Scottish-German living in Germany. Germans are obesessed with Ireland and Scotland in a way that make me uncomfotable sometimes.
i talked about this with a black friend once, and she said the only white men she would ever date would have to be irish because they've also known oppression
I’m so glad someone is talking about this, I’ve noticed it and it has always made me uncomfortable. I’m maybe biased because I’d say I have an anti-colonial, Irish nationalist mindset, but I am incredibly worried by any adoption of Irish identity by (white) Americans as a collective. I think we disagree on the idea of ‘Irish ’ in that regard - that ‘great great grandson from Boston’ isn’t Irish, just American of a certain variety. It’s super, super complicated and would probably require an entire script to voice, I think. There is a terrible implication if white America sees Irishness as compatible with its cultural zeitgeist. I am horrified with Kneecap being seen as palatable enough to appear on Jimmy Fallon. With the rise of white supremacy in Irish nationalist politics, I sincerely hope it is a trend that disappears quickly.
Being Irish and seeing the internet lose their minds over lads that look like someone you'd bump into on a very busy day in dublin. Also, irishmen aren't worth the hype, speaking as a very single irish woman lol
Its shite, outdated and pretentious as is ulysses which ive also read. Im a working class Dub and Roddy Doyles Barrystown Trilogy is much more recognisable to my Dublin.
I remember being a Domhnall Gleeson fan during the teaboo phase of the internet when I was teenager, back when he was lumped in with the British. 😂 I remember fans calling him a "fae" or "fairy" due to him being a ginger with prominent highcheeks, but also due to him being just a great character actor who "morphs" into his roles (similar to Colin Farrell) but looking back it was quite fetishistic, if we're being honest. 😅
It makes no sense how much I’m smiling through this video… I’m a 40-something Black American and I literally said to my sister a few weeks ago that I’m highly attracted to dark Irish men. Everything Elle and the celeb clips said in the beginning of this video echo all of the thoughts in my mind about these beautiful men. I don’t like these guys because they are Irish; I am drawn to their beautiful eyes, dark curly hair, and sense of humor, they just happen to be Irish. LoL 🇮🇪
I mean there are 40 million people of Irish descent in the USA alone. Even though we’re incredibly cringe at times, it does give Ireland a lot of soft power. Plus it helps that Ireland has a reputation of being the “good Europeans”.
@ We are incredibly cringe. Like I’ve heard things from people in our community that sound like shit coming from Ulster Scots about the Irish. Bernadette Devlin was spot on in her assessment of our community. Although hearing about our shared history from my Nan was instrumental in my strong leftist and anti imperialist politics.
As a Welsh person I find this all really fascinating, seeing the rise in popularity of Irish politics, particularly due to growing up still under English rule and seeing Irish people and the IRA in particular demonised within British media. I grew up bombarded with images of blown up buildings and messaging around the damage the IRA was doing to Britain as a whole. Probably not an unintentional effort by England to keep its surrounding countries at odds with each other to discourage us banding together against them. Wales is an example of what could have happened to Ireland if they stopped fighting for independence a long time ago. We still struggle today to be seen as our own country and our often mistaken abroad as being a part of England. We’ve fought constant political battles to keep our own language and heritage alive. Doesn’t help that our monarchy was superseded by the English who decided to throw the first born of the king/queen a solid or practise run by naming them Prince or Princess of Wales whilst we get no say. We’re also a colonised country that are often still let down by our own government when it comes to relations with England. But I have noted a resurgence of Welsh pride in recent years, a stronger effort to keep the language alive and maintain some independence from England in regard to our politics. Plaid Cymru (a nationalist political party in wales committed to Welsh independence from England) seems to grow in popularity every year and it will be interesting to see if they manage to come into power and manage that independence within my lifetime.
I’m Mexican American and my boyfriend is Irish from Belfast, and he tells me that as soon as many Americans hear his accent they immediately start telling him about how they also have Irish ancestry and my boyfriend says it’s so hard for him to not roll his eyes at them, but I will say he does love the attention he gets when people ask about his accent 😅.
I am apart of the problem, I’m sorry to say. Just yesterday I received a shirt I got from Etsy that says “I ❤ the Irish” with pictures of Ayo and Paul on it.
I think the point about Ireland being seen as the unproblematic white country is a massive reason why so many Americans love to go back and find their Irish heritage is because of the lack of records and the image of Irish people being the good guys it's very easy to belive you come from good, humble and nice farmers from kildare instead of colonising slavers (important to note Ireland doesn't have sensus records older than about 100 years because they got bombed)
Great video! This is a side point but I wish female commentators on youtube (and it is always female commentators) would stop using the phrase “yapping” to describe their talking points. You’re well spoken and clearly intelligent and this is an interesting topic, pop-culture sociologically speaking. “Yapping” is so demeaning imo because it’s previously almost exclusively been used to describe the sound of a small annoying dog that won’t shut up. I never see men on here putting out videos and starting them with a caveat apology for yapping. They just talk because they assume they’re worth listening to, and so are you
Man I love Hozier so much. I'd been listening to his music for a long time before I saw what he looked like. His voice is enchanting, the content of his songs is a masterpiece, and then I found out he's hot too?
Thanks for this, coming from someone who grew up with an Irish stepfather from Dublin, and an actual Irish citizen (american though) I never got the hype (Irish boys are my homies, love the craick and banter) but being internet's bfs/ fetishized didn't make any sense to me. I'm also older for your demo. Great examination and video.
I've been waiting for this video since you posted a story on IG that you're doing it and I'm glad I'm early for this! I really need to learn more about Ireland and Irish Culture and last but not the least, Free Palestine 🇵🇸🍉
This is a generalisation.. but my favourite part of Ireland is the staunch support of social justice. Whether is LGBTQAI+ or Palestine.. Ireland is almost(?) always on the right side of history. Also, David Tennant is Scottish. ☺️🩷
he’s more known more for being latino than his irish heritage though. i think he’s the first ever latino spiderman and definitely among the first and most prominent of those sorts of characters in marvel history. i don’t mean to discredit his heritage but it’s just that with the way his identity is written, his mexican side is emphasised and acknowledged a whole lot more
for me, I feel like Irish celebrities are always Irish before they're celebrities; the main thirst is over their appearance/accent etc before their talent
this is what the Irish republicans meant when they said "Our day will come"
you can say it in the irish it’s ok 🔫
lol as a Irish rep, this made me laugh, Tfiocfaidh ar Lá
Snort laughed....
Tháinig ár lá ?
No. It really is not!!
I've been noticing that too. My answer would be similar to how people were obsessed with British, Australian, Brazilian, South Korean, and Colombian men. I know there are other countries, but those are the countries that stand out to me.
British men? Was that a while ago cause it seems like it’s only ever negative about us tbh 😂
I've never known women are now obsessing with Colombian men? Is that new?
I don’t think it’s necessarily anything to do with other countries. There’s always been a strange affinity to Irish people in general across the world mainly because there’s a huge Irish diaspora but also a lot of people think Ireland there’s something quite mythical about it or something so there’s a bit of that too.
I don’t really understand this video because Irish actors have always been considered conventionally attractive way before this spout of Irish actors recently like Pierce Brosnan, Johnathan Rhys Meyers , Colin Farrell , Gabriel Byrne. There’s been loads over the decades
@@SmcdMcd-d2k as a child I remember my mom going crazy for Irish accents
As a Mexican all my life I have heard appreciation and love for the Irish, fun fact the Irish immigrants changed sides during the Mexican American war and fought for Mexico’s side after realizing we were also a catholic and predominantly native country. Since that time the people of Mexico see the Irish people as brothers and sisters and love to mention their soldiers during the war, I have heard that there is also a link between native american people and Irish people, Ireland’s political legacy is broader than people think
San Patricio's Brigade. :)
I think the link you mention between the Irish and Native Americans could be the Choctaw tribe who sent aid/money to Ireland during the 'Great Hunger' in the 1800's and Irish people returned the favour during Covid.
I never knew this and I’m Irish. Definitely something I need to read up on.
San Patrisios ,that's right we were to fight with the abritush against ye ,but whilst camping at border realised we the same just ye had a tan !! So we changed sidea and fought to die ,because if caught would be sudden death anyway ..was a brilliant battle and honoured in At Patrick's day parade..many of the men survived and settled and married within community ..hense why see some with auburn or red hair and freckles...
I deadass was about to comment this! I'm Mexican too :)
But I would also add that based on Irish comedians and street interviews, I will die on the hill that the Irish & Mexicans are cousins across the sea. I think we share similar wavelengthd in our cultures, views of the world, & again, comedy.
@@ko0974Americans not britis.h
as someone who's been a fan of hozier for a while, I think that (some) fans take the more acceptable parts of his irishness - his accent etc - and don't pay as much attention to how much of his music is informed by its history and politics. notable songs include foreigners god, take me to church, eat your young, butchered tongue and empire now. songs from his latest album like de selby pt 1 also feature him singing in Irish. as a british indian (a conflicting experience) i often relate to the music he makes about colonialism
THIS!! Irish person and Fellow Hozier fan here and I've definitely noticed this too! It really does feel like some people like to focus on framing him as more mystical/otherworldly which often goes along with a dismissal of the serious political and social commentary and messages of his music.
It can kind of feel a bit reductive at times as it feels like some people see him as fae or something rather than the literal human that he is.
@@watsonmelon6575 I'm not even a particularly huge Hozier fan but I've noticed this as well! There's a whole Fey Lord thing particularly American fans seem to have and it definitely feels reductive at times
My buddies relation actually owns the gaff they shot take me to church.
it is wild yo me because i have always loved his music because of the message. i wouldn’t like it nearly as much if not for what it has to say
Ireland a three quarters of a small island is being colonised by the African, Indian, Asian and South American continents now, soon the Irish will be a minority on their own onlýhomeland but that's a good thing, coz the Oirish have very very pale skin, so eff dem😢
how i was like "pfff no way-" at the thumbnail and remembered being obsessed with jacksepticeye
The reception of Barry Keoghan post-Saltburn felt like a flashback to the reception of Benedict Cumberbatch after Sherlock, so I'm glad I wasn't off in thinking that.
Cumberbatch is Irish (descent wise) too - as are most of the leading actors, anyway.
Speaking as an Irish heartthrob myself, it's about bloody time!
😅😅😅😅
😂😂😂
lol 😂
Brilliant 🤣
this recent phenomenon really reminds me of how tumblr/other social medias to a lesser extent LOVED british men in the early to mid 2010s. shows like doctor who, sherlock, etc. were huge, but also 1D and just like. british actors were everywhere on tumblr. its probably linked to that 'soft exoticism' that you spoke about as well lol
EDIT: wrote this before finishing the vid lol. never knew about the term teaboo
Tumblr isn’t the internet tho… I think the British had their time in the sun in the 90s tho
@@LeMerch lmao I get what you're saying but its still a bit wild to read "Tumblr isn't the internet"
1.accent
2.great actors.
3.beautiful but not perfect.
4.bashful.
5.confident
6.great banter.
7.cheeky
8.sarchasm.
9.wit.
10.great craic.
11. Genuine.
12.personality.
13. Friendly.
14. Home Town boys.
15. They are irish were all awesome. ❤
I have no idea what is going on because i've been on the Hozier and Andrew Scott fan wagon for over a decade but as long as this doesn't tokenize irish people or make them feel uncomfortable, let the girlies thirst after irish lads!
It's funny because we are in a unique zone where the usual concepts of tokenism or fetishisation kinda break down for some reason when we're all the same race. And trust me. Irish lads are well happy even if it is either of those things, Irish women can be pretty ferocious and hard to impress bc we see nothing but Irish lads day in and day out so they're nothing new to us x'D
@@milaces1323 I grew up having a massive crush on Cillian Murphy after watching 28 Days Later and now I'm a fan of Paul Mescal so I agree lol
My only issues is with Andrew Scott who is openly gay. Feels weird for women to be thirsting over him.
I’m English and I also think almost every Irish person I’ve met had a bit of innate charisma like everyone finds it attractive. Irish charm
The change in Irish politics you mention is something I've been thinking about for a while. I recently saw Small Things Like These and the whole time I just kept thinking about how my parents were in their 20s during the 80s when the story is set but now I'm in my 20s now and a movie about it borders on horror for me - such a wild shift to see/experience
the fact it was set in the EIGHTIES!! like 40 years ago!! it’s mad how fast things have changed
@@elleliteracy My Mam is raging about it being set in the 80's. "Well, it wasn't like that for me", she said. She had me in 1987 in Co. Wexford and her experience was she had no problems, but she was in her 30's and independent with a good job and her own house before she met Dad and she had strong family support. Her and Dad got married a bit after I was born. Mam was the one who felt it wasn't necessary to marry, but my parents did so I could go to school (Yeah, that was an unwritten limitation into the 90's). They filmed the movie of "Small Things..." in my hometown of New Ross and loads of people from town were extras. My cousin's young son was in a Christmas crowd scene and he had the best time on set. A stark contrast to the subject matter.
A friend of mine who is a bit younger than my Mam had her child taken from her in the mid 80's without her consent and he was sent to Liverpool. They found each other again when he was in his 30's. I also found out that a relative experienced a similar situation in the 80's so there's a cousin I will probably never get to know somewhere in the UK or the U.S. who was taken from his mother as a baby. Mam and Dad wanted to adopt him (before they found out Mam was pregnant) but none of the family even got to see him 😢 My mother-in-law is in her 80's and from Liverpool and she found out later in life (and after he passed away, sadly) that her granddad was born in Howth, Co. Dublin and adopted out of Ireland by the Catholic church.
Great video! I'm a Scottish Canadian with family on my grandmother's side from Glasgow and I wanted to share some thoughts about this topic... I believe Scotland is similarly romanticized to Ireland, probably in huge part because of movies like Braveheart. When I went to Scotland last year to see my family a lot of the people when addressing tourists either explicitly or implicitly rejected the sort of common ideas people have about the country (kilts, bagpipes, seething hatred of the English, etc.). All polite about it, but watching this video and hearing you speak about Irishness as "comforting exoticism" hit me pretty close to home and I imagine it would for a lot of Scots who deal with similar perception.
I recently wrote an essay for my eighteenth century history class about how romantic narratives about Scotland obfuscate a much more complicated and interesting national story, and it also lets upper-class Scots off the hook for collaborating with the British colonial project while obscuring Scots who actually were suppressed (mostly poor Gaelic Highlanders whose cultural customs were seen as backwards and who, interestingly enough, were often called more Irish than Scottish by the upper-class Lowlanders). I really wish the reality was more widely understood. I love my heritage, but I do not love how people ignore many of the implications of it for the sake of having unproblematic Europeans™ to look up to.
I don't know about thirst for Scottish men though. I mean, it is apparently the third sexiest accent with Irish as the first, and I'm sure James MacAvoy at least has his enthusiasts.
k interesting; I wrote an essay about the role of Scots as both colonized and colonizers through history (but mostly sorta 1600-1900s), it was really neat. because like it's totally a colonized nation but also played a huge role colonizing as part of the British Empire back when it was in full swing.
that essay sounds so interesting!! yeah I think Ireland and Scotland definitely have a lot of overlap in how we're viewed abroad (doesn't help we're often confused for one another lol)
Thank you so much. I have to be honest and say I read ‘Canadian with a Scottish background’ and physically braced myself for something ignorant, only to be presently surprised.
Thank you for reading about you ancestors’ history and being honest about it. You are spot on. I’m half Irish, half Scottish and living in Northern Ireland is torturous. The support for colonial Scottish identity is romantised, normalised and encoded into every day life as a ‘valid opinion’ when in reality it does not survive evidence-based scrutiny. There’s a reason why so many Orange (that’s Orange as in, the sociopolitical identity, not a stand-in for protestant) so-called ‘heritage museums’ exist; you have to bend or fully rewrite history to position the Scottish role in British imperialism as being ‘harmless’ or ‘necessary’. At the same time, however, being Scottish, it becomes tiring to engage with my other cultural half without being entangled in said politics. Or worse, being told that your disagreement with their ideology means you ‘hate Scottish culture’ when you very much don’t lol
People doing work like yourself, even in another continent , helps to undo the ahistorical nonsense that permeates discussion of the Scottish identity. Thank you, seriously. I’d love to read you paper if you ever feel like publishing it
@asterismos5451 how do u feel about the 'Caledonian antisyzygy' ?
@@asterismos5451would you be willing to share this essay? I'd especially appreciate it as a Jew grappling with Zionism's impact on Jewish identity
There’s always been Irish actors who were considered attractive. What there wasn’t was social media. Pierce Brosnan, Gabriel Byrne, Patrick Bergin, Stuart Townsend, Colin Farrell, Jonathan Rhys Meyers, Liam Neeson, Peter O’Toole etc.
Nowadays people can fangirl together over people and create a buzz online.
Peter O'Toole was English. Also literally no one knows who Stuart Townsend is including Townsend himself
@ He considered himself Irish, spent much of his time in Ireland and was an Irish citizen. But sure, England can claim him. I don’t really give a sh1t.
And I didn’t say Stuart Townsend was very famous. But he did have a legion of fangirls back in the day.
@@Dreyno if I consider myself a squirrel it doesn't make it so!
I'm just being hungover and argumentative btw, ignore me
Exactly … like I would argue that most actors produced from Ireland are in the coventally attractive bracket
In the mean time, here's a list of some Irish people that I am a fan of that aren't just limited to conventionally attractive white men.
- TV Writer/Actress Sharon Horgan
- TV Writer/Actress/Comedian Aisling Bea
- TV Writer/Actress Roisin Gallagher
- Rapper Rejjie Snow
- Alt Singer Spider
- Singer Shiv (She's my fave!)
- Indie Alt Singer Efé (prounounced Ef-Ay)
- RnB Singer Tidah
sharon horgan is so fabulous
Oh absolutely but you know western media is racist lol but I agree with you
going to check out these musicians!
Aisling Bea is a QUEEN
SPIDER!!!! Object of Desire makes me ascend into the ether
It’s so funny watching this as an Irish person because within Ireland most of us would say foreigners are way more attractive than we are. I know I definitely hated my accent and pale skin growing up lol
No matter where I have lived, and I’ve lived in a lot of places… women ALWAYS want to ‘experience’ foreign men.
💯
and i dont mean this smart but like STATEEEEEE of barry keoghan youd find a fella like him anywhere in north dublin
@@gracaitI'm quite sure you could ever be accused of being 'smart', so rest easy ydc...
@@gracaitthis has me pissing but ur so right LMAOO
Irish music is having a moment too i feel like, like kneecap and fontaines dc
hell yeah
I just moved to Ireland to study journalism and I’ve noticed most of what you said and I just wanted to say thanks for putting it so brilliantly and making it enjoyable as well!
As an American, I’ve visited Canada, Ireland, England and Italy. The Irish were by far the friendliest. I enjoy my trip to Dublin and Howth and hope to visit again soon.
There's much more to Ireland than Dublin. Travel across the shannon and experience the Real Ireland 🇮🇪. 😊
@@michellebermingham2350yes 🙏
Cúl
Pierce Brosnan walked so that Murphy, Mescal & Co. could run.
You forgot about the biggest heartthrob, Michael D Higgins 😔😔
I love Kneecap as well. Loved the movie. I live in a small city in Finland and the movie was the way I found out that we have a very small Irish population here, as when I saw the movie, it was just me and two Irish guys. One of them warned the other that since he didn't know Irish, he might not get everything, because the subtitles would only be in FInnish and Swedish.
But again, the movie was just great. Probably in my top 3 for the year.
I was in Finland early November visiting Lapland with my family. We were walking through the town centre at night & I hear this young Irish student lad chatting up his Finnish friend dropping the hints for her to come along for a drink. 😂 it was so obvious to me being Irish but the poor girl had not copped his Irish subtle way of asking her out. She eventually agreed & he looked delighted. 🤩
Been trying to learn Irish with Duolingo and it is SO helpful to hear you speaking these words in context. Loved the video thank you
wooo go n-éirí an t-ádh leat (good luck)! :)
Me too! 🇨🇦
Well done, I'm using duolingo for Spanish and use the Irish to cheat for xp 😂😂😂😂😂😂
i cant recommend the blindboy podcast enough, even for non- irish people !!
I wonder if this trend didn't start with Liam Cunningham's portrayal of Ser Davos in Game of Thrones (or at least it was a stepping stone), where he really embodies general tropes of Irish soft masculinity... I don't think the character's particularly sexy, but he's charming, humorous and charismatic, and doesn't take himself too seriously. Also, in a show where so many of the characters' worth is dependant on their fighting capabilities and on being generally violent, he was very refreshing, and likeable in a similar way that we like the personae of Paul Mescal or Andrew Scott...
Omg, this!!! I love that man. Anytime I see him in a movie I’m excited. He’s wonderful.
Isn’t the actor that plays Petyr Baelish? Aiden Gillen, Irish too? I don’t get that excited whenever I see him though because he’s always playing a villainous character.
😊😊a little pricey to get Mmmm
@@itss_nattyj he is indeed, i once saw the man drinking a pint of guinness reading a book in my local pub lol
pausing studying for the leaving cert to watch this 😌😌🇮🇪 (I’m going insane) x
good luck!!!!!! it’s a blip in life and then its over
best of luck my love! you will be fine, and you've got a long summer ahead of you
Hope it goes well 🙏💗
Same higher level irish is melting my brain
Stick with it gang 😎
i've been in love with cillian murphy's face in a 90s/00s goth girl way since i first saw him twenty years ago and was a niall girl back in my day, alllllll of y'all are new here and need to get to the BACK of the line!!!!!!!!
normal people had a profound effect on me and how I view relationships and I've been very attached to Paul Mescal ever since I watched it in 2021.
I actually liked all the actors and actresses you mentioned individually and one day realized they are all irish 😂 For me it was the kind of quiet confidence they seem to have. They never seem to feel the need to portray themselves as any more and grand than they are and I'm drawn to people like that. Also when I visited Ireland the friendliness of the people reminded me of Slovenia, where I grew up :)
Fair play. I was not expecting this video essay to go as deep as it did from the title. You hit every nail directly on the head. No notes.
Remember Stuart Townsend, Jonathan Rhys Meyers (The Tudors) - they had that look, too. They were hearthrobs in the 90s. I remember Intermission with very young Cillian and Colin. Also last but not least, Domhnall Gleeson ( About Time, The Revanant).
Totally second the Blindboy recc! His mind must be like a 3-dimensional detective map, with intricately entangled red string linking disparate topics back to spice bags, somehow
I'd watch the news if Aidan Gillen was reading it. Andrew Scott and Aidan would be my theoretical duo for a 24 Lock in in a Dublin pub.
This is a really great essay, it really vocalized so many things I've been thinking about but haven't been able to put into words.
A question I never thought to ask and an answer I can’t wait to hear
I'm a big fan of the comedic trio Foil Arms & Hog, and when speaking with other non-Irish fans, the key elements that always come back when mentioning what we find attractive about them is very similar to what you say in your video, and that is mainly : a gentle, non-threatening masculinity. (The accent plays a big part as well, I couldn't really explain why but it does!)
We don’t all have lovely, mellifluous accents. We also have some horrendous accents. Like the Louth accent 🤮
I could listen to that Irish accent for the rest of my life and never get tired of it. I say the same thing about the various UK and Aussie accents as well
Absolutely love the intentional backlighting as well as the video
thank you :)
Where’s Michael Fassbender? He certainly qualifies as a hot Irish guy.
Got me. I have had a soft spot for Irish accents since I went to Co.Antrim in my 20s. Now I'm ancient and I happily drool listening to Fontaines DC . That's fulfilling in itself.
American with Irish ancestry here - I live and grew up in Southern California with hardly any Irish people, most of my peers growing up were of Filipino and Mexican descent, and also fellow Catholics. I always felt so at home with them-lol I desperately wished I could do folklórico (a traditional Mexican dance) like my classmates. Now, it’s so funny to hear these same friends say that the Irish are the Mexicans of Europe 😅 I studied abroad in Ireland in college and that set off learning more about Irish history and culture, I can totally see the similarities now between the Irish and my Filipino and Mexican friends and neighbors I grew up with and love so much. And learning more about the Irish-Palestinian solidarity, likewise, it all makes sense, and the more I learn about Irish history, language (thanks kneecap!), celtic spirituality, etc the more I think I’m falling in love with Ireland. I used to not be a fan of my pale sunburnt skin and red hair, but now do 😅 these Irish men are just the cherry on top!
You are very wrong about trying to be some kind of "Indigenous Irish-American" living in the U.S. with similarities to the Palestinians. Your family moved to the U.S. and became settler-colonials. You are the Israelis in this picture. Trying to change your status is called a settler-move-to-innocence. A shit ton of Americans are trying to identify with Palestinians when they are the Israeli colonizers. LoL That goes for Filipinos and Mexicans too. Mexico is a colonial state not a race. There are many white Mexicans who claim only Spanish blood. Filipinos love to move to the U.S. and claim that they are "displaced Indigenous" people when they are also settler-colonials. Just because someone is brown doesn't make them Indigenous. The fact that you didn't even acknowledge Native people whose lands you occupy means that you are trying to identify with other brown settlers and know nothing about the history of this continent. Yet you're also claiming ancestral ties with Ireland. The U.S. is a diaspora country with no culture so lots of people like you are culture vultures. I'm Lakota and my people have been here for over 15,000 years. Ten million Native people died during colonization so that settler colonials could do their whole "I'm American but I love my ancestral home country" Okay. Then go home and be with your ancestors. There are 3 million Native people enrolled in 570+ federally recognized tribes today. There are many other tribes with state recognition who are waiting for federal approval status. Most of the U.S. is on unceded land because the U.S. government broke 500 treaties made with different tribes for the exhange of land for goods and services. This is part of the U.S. Constitution by the way. Tribes today have survived multiple attempts at genocide, residential schools, the loss of languages and ceremonial knowledge. Irish people living in Ireland also went through colonization but Irish-Americans don't get to claim that. You are an American settler.
There are definitely some strong similarities between Irish, Mexicans and Filipinos...
Culturally quite different from Palestine, but very similar historical experiences on the receiving end of settler colonialism.
loving the tricolour lights! amazing video girl xx
Irish music is so HUGE at the moment, it’s actually kind of surreal, like kneecap, fontaines, Inhaler, CMAT and obviously hozier, we’re too good
Pillow Queens, Villagers, The Murder Capital, Fionn Regan, James Vincent McMorrow, Foy Vance etc etc
@ pillow queens yessss
i wanted to learn the irish language since i watched "derry girls". and the accent definitely became one of my favs 🇮🇪💕 love from argentina 🇦🇷
muchas gracias !!!
Do you know that an Irish man founded the Argentinian Navy? And many Irish living there and in some places speak Irish ?
@@ko0974 i had no idea! but it makes sense 'cause argentina is a melting pot. there was a lot of immigration, thats why we're all very mixed
@lizmldnd Westmeath connection with Argentina
Tens of thousands of Argentinians can trace their ancestry back to the Irish Midlands.
A number of Westmeath families from several locations throughout the county emigrated to Argentina throughout the nineteenth century, achieving high positions in political, business and ecclesiastical circles. The above title may surprise many readers. Even more surprising is the link between places like Buenos Aires, Pergamino, Salto and San Antonio de Areco with Westmeath towns and villages such as Ballymore, Ballynacarrigy, Castlepollard and Moyvore.
So how did this connection come about? To find the answer, we must take ourselves back to the beginning of the nineteenth century when Spain was the imperial power in Argentina. In this period a wave of wars of independence swept Spanish America, led by Simon Bolivar, Bernardo O’Higgins, Jose Artigas and Jose de San Martin. San Martin was the hero of the Argentine War of Independence which was achieved in 1816. Admiral William Brown from Foxford, Co Mayo played a prominent role in the war of independence, being the founder of the Argentine Navy.
@lizmldnd I tried to send you a link about the connections, but YT not allowing,suppose we first were brought over by the Engkish during a failed tale over ,and we were left there! We started moving from Ireland, and America and Brazil to you as we were treated very well by you.we went into sheep farming for wool and meat production, and then we fought during the war of independence..ye very much welcomed is and we were safe and prosperous, so thanking you 😀
Obviously, as you highlighted, it's nothing new.
Back in the 90s, everyone loved Liam Neeson, Patrick Bergin, Gabriel Byrne, Fiona Shaw, Sean Hughes, Sinead O'Connor, Dolores O'Riordan, Dana.
It's something that occurs every generation.
I can somewhat relate to and understand this.... as a Greek (Greek American, technically).
Greece hasn't colonized anything since antiquity, and after we were Christianized, we became colonized and occupied and enslaved by the Ottoman Turks. And we didn't had any help from other countries when we fought for our independence from the Turks (we did have supporters such as Lord Byron). And also like the Irish, we Greeks (along with Italians) were discriminated in America in the early days. We weren't considered "proper whites" or "not white enough" (i.e. WASPs). And we too resent the British state/government for stealing our ancient relics and treasures.
And we are also very proud of our culture. Zeto Ellada!
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oooh I never put these dots together, that makes so much sense, thank you!
I visit Greece 🇬🇷 once a year and I fell in love with greece.. I’m Irish, you have an amazing culture and I hope Greece will become richer and successful in the future.. ❤❤
Where’s Poldark’s, Aidan Turner from Galway? he’s the best of the bunch. He should be the next James Bond.
As someone who growing up had a massive crush on Cillian Murphy after watching 28 Days Later and now I have a crush on Paul Mescal idk lol I mean there is a prototype of Irish heartthrob American media keeps pushing out because we all know the average Irish man does not look like Cillian Murphy I mean if they do I'll be there in a heartbeat but something about their aesthetic the dark hair with the pale skin high cheekbones and ice blue eyes idk they kinda look like vampires in the hottest way possible
when i talk about my lifelong love for 90s/00s goth girls cillian is always part of that conversation, if anything he was the blueprint in my eyes!! LMAO
@@grizzlyalmighty2 girl! Same 😂 I had a massive crush on Cillian growing up like I was so in love with him but I mean those who get it get it I just remember when 28 Days Later came out every girl was like in love with him lol 😆 he was that guy he doesn't look bad now but in his the was just dreamy
Hello Model Roe our Government in Ireland Hate us because we are pasty face Irish.
putting Barry on the thumbnail instead of Hozier is wild
youtube serves different thumbnails to test which one will do best and hozier is on two of the three thumbnails :)
@@elleliteracywait that’s crazy
@@elleliteracy WAIT WHAAAAT that's so crazy dang
it's always so funny seeing people thirst over cillian murphy as if that man isn't from cork 😭😭 i guarantee none of them have seen the video of him speaking with his original accent
NGL I had a huge crush on Cillian Murphy growing up like I was obsessed with him after watching 28 Days Later I remember a lot girls fell in love with him after that movie came out
nooo don't bash the cork accent
@novembers_GH0ST have u ever seen disco pigs? It’s free on RUclips but his accent in that is sooooo thick he’s super young in it
@@elleliteracy i love the corkonians really i promise
The true capital sounds truly amazing
I find it interesting that you can state that Ireland has been free from colonial rule for 100 years, whilst also including artists like kneecap in your discussion. Sorry if this comes across as cheeky I really don't mean it to, there's just a funny cognitive dissonance when trying to discuss it.
Also, the wind that shakes the barley is about the war of independence/the civil war rather than the Troubles, and I would absolutely recommend watching it, class film
I just watched the wind that shakes the barley it was excellent!
@thescarediest ughh so good, don't think I've ever fully recovered from that fingernail scene 😣
I don’t think she said it’s totally free from colonialism just that it’s not part of the UK
oh we're not free from colonialism at alllll lol i was just pointing out that the republic is not apart of the UK
I'm being pedantic here like, but 24:18 "Ireland is not a part of Britain", feels a little reductive of the North, particularly as you've been referring to Ireland as meaning the whole island throughout the video. Also being so picky here but technically the info on screen is also somewhat wrong, as it states that Ireland has been a republic since 1922, it became a republic in the 50s before then it was still a member of the British commonwealth and members of the government had to swear allegiance to the queen.
Not trying to be the unnecessary "um actually" person, the reason for my comment is just a difference of perspective, for example when you talked on Ireland being politically unproblematic in recent years, I can't help but think about how the North had no sitting government for the second time in the last decade. I just think Ireland isn't the utopia that some people seem to think it is, sure the troubles may technically be over but racial tensions and violence is ever growing.
My theory: considering my mother and her friends used to simp for Irish men my whole childhood, I think this has always been a thing and gen z is just starting to get affected by it and the internet makes it easier to see
The Irish idea of notion it the exact same idea we have here in Denmark. It's called Janteloven (Law of Jante), so maybe it's a common thing among small nations.
Must be , it's a good trait to have all the same 😂
I've been living in England now for the past 3 months trying to describe this feeling of knowing that I'm not treated as the same type of "exotic" and knowing that people are probably kinder to me than they would be to "different foreigners"
I feel like there are a lot of similarities between how Irish men and Australian men come across to the rest of the world - and onviously that's not accidental ⛴️👮🏻♀️. They come across as laid back, down to earth, not taking themselves too seriously, and there's a similar mechanism where Australian's seen as getting too big for their britches will be cut down - we call it Tall Poppy Syndrome. It's interesting.
and it all has its roots in colonialism
Super interesting video and really well done. I’d love to add a point being from the United States. Firstly I think you’re absolutely correct in saying that the female Irish celebrities don’t acrue the same following as male celebrities. As a straight guy myself I’d assume it’s primarily due to the culture of thirsting and the MASSIVE difference in the way male celebrities and female celebrities are followed where straight guys don’t go nearly as in depth (in my experience) when it comes to celebrity crush culture and it tends to very much be surface level. This is a shame as I’m well aware female celebrities have a lot to offer and shouldn’t be overlooked like Aisling Bea who is both funny and beautiful.
Secondly, I think people from outside of the states tend to overlook the importance of heritage to many Americans. I do think the line between nationality and ethnicity/heritage gets blurred and misunderstood way too much, America is/was populated largely by immigration and something like 25% of Americans have some degree of Irish ancestry originating from emigration from Ireland after the famine through to the early 1900s and Irish immigrants famously worked on a railroad crucial to the Industrial Revolution and production of goods during that time. The heritage of an individual is not overly important and not something people tend to overly identify with but is usually at the very least a conversation starter. The growing movement, at least in the States, of learning about your heritage has probably played at least a little bit of a role in the curiosity of Irish culture and slight affinity for learning more about it. Irish politics spoken by celebrities, it seems, tend to be similar to much of what the American left believes, while most of what you had mentioned about women’s and lgbtq+ rights and how it was a recent addition to the law is not common knowledge for Americans allowing us to align more with their beliefs without actually knowing much.
Just wanted to lend my thoughts and this being my first video I’ve seen of yours, you’ve gained a new follower
I liked this video a lot!
This is a generalisation.. but my favourite part of Ireland is the staunch support of social justice. Whether is LGBTQAI+ or Palestine.. Ireland is almost(?) always on the right side of history.
This is a point of pride. Our stance on Palestine and being the first nation to legalize abortion and gay marriage by referendum (the citizens voted directly for this, it wasn't decided by our TDs (parliament). We have opposed all wars in recent years, from Afganistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and certainly all wars related to Palestine.
The Catholic church had us on the wrong side of things for a whiiiiiile but that has changed a lot now lol
We're still the worst in Europe for trans heathcare but hey itll hopefully get there eventually
@Ashmurtagh100 not surprising, we have one of the worst healthcare systems in Europe to begin with so I wouldn't expect gender affirming care to be any different...
@@IcarianX Please elaborate on why you think us voting out the Eight Amendment was in any way a source of "pride". We were one of the last nations in Europe to truly value the gift that is life and that was all wiped out by a supermajority of our population. Cite Palestine and our compassion towards the historical struggle of gay people all you want, I'm with you. But abortion?
I am genuinely so proud of the incredible talent Ireland has produced the past decade or so whether it comes to music, movies, literature, art etc.
As one of “my great great grandmother came over from Ireland” people, my entire family, though long since disconnected from the Ireland still have a very deep sense of affection, care, and reverence for Ireland and so I have been brought up my entire life watching Irish media, having crushes on Irish dudes, and knowing when I am older I will also take the pilgrimage to visit our ancestral counties so then it becoming mainstream is very funny for me 😂
I love that I made it twenty minutes into the video before I connected it to the fact that my bf of 14 years is Irish. 😂
Wasn't until you talked about the Irish accent, because he doesn't have much of an accent both because he was made to speak without Irish idioms and slang by his mother and then moved at 18.
Also the lights 👍🏼
great video and i think you really hit the nail on the head with a lot of these points. side note the timing of this is perfect because i just accepted an offer for a Masters in Public History at Trinity College for next year. And really for me one of the main things that influenced my choice was the way the program emphasizes education on historical oppressions and how we have to reckon with the past to bring about a more equitable future which is something i'm incredibly passionate about. I'm sure some people will assume im going there because of normal people but ive actually never even seen the show/read the book (i know i should at some point). i do love a lot of these irish celebs tho so i'm not excluded from this haha (the girlies too nicola give me one chance!)
Speaking as an Irish person: yes, some of us are the hottest pale folk since the adult cast of Interview with The Vampire.
I feel like it's the similiar for Scottish people. There is a certain tokenism with that. Of course Scotland is always in that double role of coloniser and colonised country, so its different. I however sometimes feel that people also love Ireland/Scotland because it gives an 'umproblematic' opportunity to live out a romanticised version of whiteness that might feel less problematic. At least I feel like that as a Scottish-German living in Germany. Germans are obesessed with Ireland and Scotland in a way that make me uncomfotable sometimes.
Least attention seeking Scot
i talked about this with a black friend once, and she said the only white men she would ever date would have to be irish because they've also known oppression
We can also get into arguments about our favourite cartoons, are prone to depression and can drink our own weight of Guinness. We’re quite the catch 😐
Most countries in Europe experienced oppression at one piont .
I meant pretty much everywhere did, but not everywhere also oppressed others, I think that’s more what you mean 😂
Its always a good day when Elle uploads 💓
I’m so glad someone is talking about this, I’ve noticed it and it has always made me uncomfortable.
I’m maybe biased because I’d say I have an anti-colonial, Irish nationalist mindset, but I am incredibly worried by any adoption of Irish identity by (white) Americans as a collective. I think we disagree on the idea of ‘Irish ’ in that regard - that ‘great great grandson from Boston’ isn’t Irish, just American of a certain variety.
It’s super, super complicated and would probably require an entire script to voice, I think. There is a terrible implication if white America sees Irishness as compatible with its cultural zeitgeist. I am horrified with Kneecap being seen as palatable enough to appear on Jimmy Fallon. With the rise of white supremacy in Irish nationalist politics, I sincerely hope it is a trend that disappears quickly.
White supremacy in Ireland ,what rubbish Ireland and her people are white, who are they trying to be superior to? 😅
Being Irish and seeing the internet lose their minds over lads that look like someone you'd bump into on a very busy day in dublin. Also, irishmen aren't worth the hype, speaking as a very single irish woman lol
Doesn't have to be a busy day and it could be a village!
Ah here, no badmouthing the lads!
Literally Paul Mescal looks like every who has ever played GAA/
Ironic seeing as Irish women wear 50 layers of fake tan but it’s the lads who aren’t worth the hype
Not all of us, the ones that don't? Sure we're all in our homes hiding from them too they're proper scary 😂 @@brianodriscoll2725
As an Irish lad I’ll take the complement
insufficient amount of people thirsting over dublin have read the dubliners i think
Its shite, outdated and pretentious as is ulysses which ive also read. Im a working class Dub and Roddy Doyles Barrystown Trilogy is much more recognisable to my Dublin.
@@Dilydaydream1 see this is an actual take from somebody who has read the dubliners
This is something that’s been on my mind! Such an interesting breakdown! ❤
I remember being a Domhnall Gleeson fan during the teaboo phase of the internet when I was teenager, back when he was lumped in with the British. 😂 I remember fans calling him a "fae" or "fairy" due to him being a ginger with prominent highcheeks, but also due to him being just a great character actor who "morphs" into his roles (similar to Colin Farrell) but looking back it was quite fetishistic, if we're being honest. 😅
It makes no sense how much I’m smiling through this video… I’m a 40-something Black American and I literally said to my sister a few weeks ago that I’m highly attracted to dark Irish men. Everything Elle and the celeb clips said in the beginning of this video echo all of the thoughts in my mind about these beautiful men. I don’t like these guys because they are Irish; I am drawn to their beautiful eyes, dark curly hair, and sense of humor, they just happen to be Irish. LoL 🇮🇪
new subscriber, love your videos so much. the way you brought palestine into the conversation made me tear up.
aw thank you glad you're here :)
I mean there are 40 million people of Irish descent in the USA alone. Even though we’re incredibly cringe at times, it does give Ireland a lot of soft power. Plus it helps that Ireland has a reputation of being the “good Europeans”.
Good point on soft power, and the cringe 😂
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We are incredibly cringe. Like I’ve heard things from people in our community that sound like shit coming from Ulster Scots about the Irish. Bernadette Devlin was spot on in her assessment of our community. Although hearing about our shared history from my Nan was instrumental in my strong leftist and anti imperialist politics.
Nice you include cúpla focail!
I love my Irish side: Saoirse Ronan 😂
As a Welsh person I find this all really fascinating, seeing the rise in popularity of Irish politics, particularly due to growing up still under English rule and seeing Irish people and the IRA in particular demonised within British media. I grew up bombarded with images of blown up buildings and messaging around the damage the IRA was doing to Britain as a whole. Probably not an unintentional effort by England to keep its surrounding countries at odds with each other to discourage us banding together against them. Wales is an example of what could have happened to Ireland if they stopped fighting for independence a long time ago. We still struggle today to be seen as our own country and our often mistaken abroad as being a part of England. We’ve fought constant political battles to keep our own language and heritage alive. Doesn’t help that our monarchy was superseded by the English who decided to throw the first born of the king/queen a solid or practise run by naming them Prince or Princess of Wales whilst we get no say. We’re also a colonised country that are often still let down by our own government when it comes to relations with England. But I have noted a resurgence of Welsh pride in recent years, a stronger effort to keep the language alive and maintain some independence from England in regard to our politics. Plaid Cymru (a nationalist political party in wales committed to Welsh independence from England) seems to grow in popularity every year and it will be interesting to see if they manage to come into power and manage that independence within my lifetime.
Not the poxy O'Neills shorts....
Daryl deserves more recognition and love. He's so pretty and genuine
I REJECT THIS! Cillian was the hot villain for at least a decade! Now the world saw what i saw but their late😅
I’m Mexican American and my boyfriend is Irish from Belfast, and he tells me that as soon as many Americans hear his accent they immediately start telling him about how they also have Irish ancestry and my boyfriend says it’s so hard for him to not roll his eyes at them, but I will say he does love the attention he gets when people ask about his accent 😅.
I thought I was a heart throb untill I looked in the mirror. Wow! Did that mirror bring me back down to earth with a bang or what!!
I am apart of the problem, I’m sorry to say. Just yesterday I received a shirt I got from Etsy that says “I ❤ the Irish” with pictures of Ayo and Paul on it.
yes ayo our irish queen
omg i'm jealous
holy shit i'm so out of touch, i don't know who anybody in this video is
wait i lied, i know elle
Same.
I truly thought you were American!!! ig Saoirse is not the only Irish Gal with a good American accent...
I think the point about Ireland being seen as the unproblematic white country is a massive reason why so many Americans love to go back and find their Irish heritage is because of the lack of records and the image of Irish people being the good guys it's very easy to belive you come from good, humble and nice farmers from kildare instead of colonising slavers (important to note Ireland doesn't have sensus records older than about 100 years because they got bombed)
Great video! This is a side point but I wish female commentators on youtube (and it is always female commentators) would stop using the phrase “yapping” to describe their talking points. You’re well spoken and clearly intelligent and this is an interesting topic, pop-culture sociologically speaking. “Yapping” is so demeaning imo because it’s previously almost exclusively been used to describe the sound of a small annoying dog that won’t shut up. I never see men on here putting out videos and starting them with a caveat apology for yapping. They just talk because they assume they’re worth listening to, and so are you
1:02 I've been obsessed with niall horan since 2010 yall are laaaaaateeee lol
The only Irish guy I like is Niall Horan and yet here I am watching this video
Man I love Hozier so much. I'd been listening to his music for a long time before I saw what he looked like. His voice is enchanting, the content of his songs is a masterpiece, and then I found out he's hot too?
Thanks for this, coming from someone who grew up with an Irish stepfather from Dublin, and an actual Irish citizen (american though) I never got the hype (Irish boys are my homies, love the craick and banter) but being internet's bfs/ fetishized didn't make any sense to me. I'm also older for your demo. Great examination and video.
least Americanized Irish zoomer:
I've been waiting for this video since you posted a story on IG that you're doing it and I'm glad I'm early for this! I really need to learn more about Ireland and Irish Culture and last but not the least, Free Palestine 🇵🇸🍉
I've been lusting after Irish men for decades 😭. Yeah.
This is a generalisation.. but my favourite part of Ireland is the staunch support of social justice. Whether is LGBTQAI+ or Palestine.. Ireland is almost(?) always on the right side of history. Also, David Tennant is Scottish. ☺️🩷
Your ad read is EXTREMELY convincing.
Don’t be creepy.
@witchplease9695 comfortable bras are creepy?
What about Miguel O'Hara? He's Mexican-Irish.
i think she means born in Ireland
the spiderman character?
he’s more known more for being latino than his irish heritage though. i think he’s the first ever latino spiderman and definitely among the first and most prominent of those sorts of characters in marvel history. i don’t mean to discredit his heritage but it’s just that with the way his identity is written, his mexican side is emphasised and acknowledged a whole lot more
I'd also add Kyle Rayner
for me, I feel like Irish celebrities are always Irish before they're celebrities; the main thirst is over their appearance/accent etc before their talent
Eanna Hardwicke deserves a mention. I knew him when he was a little boy, and he seems lovely still.
7:46 AHHHHHH NIALL MENTION ❤