I can agree. I also because I’m American love that we don’t. No inhibitions. It’s a dangerous and bad balance but one I have come to know and love but I see it often times misused to hurt others.
@@Jurnalist_ Yoongi explains it in the previous sentence you commented on. And it is relatable again unfortunately as another of those incidents happened just before Agust D released this song. Basically it has the meaning of your freedom ( of speech) ends when another person's freedom (of rights) begin.
@@Jurnalist_ You people in the US are too lenient. We in Greece at least we have laws to prevent this. Like you have the freedom to express yourself but there are consequences according to what you express because the other person has the freedom to sue you. Also you'll understand what Haegeum is if you watch the live video. The sound of it is more prominent. It's out in BANGTANTV. This song is basically a sister song sonically and storywise to Daechwita
@@pennybleta9721 that’s incorrect. If it’s slander or libel then you can sue. But you cannot Sue because you felt offended that’s just some sucker shit. Not liking what was said and you can sue a party for that is not okay it’s totalitarian. Just like in Korea it’s bs you can sue if it caused mental distress. The oppression of speech or thought just to prevent offense is wrong as well.
@@Jurnalist_ If the freedom of speech is disrespectful you can sue in my country. If you call someone an asshole which is basically a curse word people according to our law system you can sue them. If you insult me face to face in any way even a minor one in my country I have the right to sue you. And there's definitely laws for online bullying. If there's death involved then it's considered a murder case even. Any form of bullying is punishable by law. If you also spread misinformation and lies about someone it's also punishable by law. Like you are free to do anything you want but there's always consequences. We are not in dictatorship any more since years here where there was no freedom of speech and artists had to conceal their opinions but there's always consequences. Like you are also free to murder people but there are laws to ensure some kind of decency. We don't live with the law of the jungle that anyone does whatever they want..We are supposed to be an evolved society.
Yoongi is such a genius, there are so many connections with Daechwita. I love how in both MVs, the person in charge (the king in daechwita and the officer in Haegeum) dies and it resembles him saying goodbye to his past self while also calling out the things that are considered wrong in society. I'm not good at articulating myself and fellow ARMYs correct me if I said something wrong but this is just another masterpiece. 'Haegeum' means 'lifting the ban off something', so fighting for freedom and it is also a Korean string instrument which you heard at the beginning of the song and throughout the song as well on the background. About the freedom and self-indulgence thing: when I looked up the definition of someone who with a 'self-indulgent' personality, it said the following: "Self indulgence is often referred to someone who is being greedy, or is just generally selfish, and it is often seen as a bad thing. Some would say a self-indulgent person thinks about themselves a lot; they over eat, they care only about themselves, they take too much of a good thing." (of course everyone can interpret 'self-indulgence' in their own way but I liked this explanation of it) How I understood that lyric was: Freedom is important and you should fight for your freedom but make sure you know the difference between having freedom and being selfish and taking too much. I am curious to hear other people's take on it as well. sorry for this book that I wrote 😂
Yoongi said he wanted the smoking scenes in the video even if it can't be shown in Korea. This is to show the ridiculous scrutiny put on idols who are caught smoking or vaping and the media ridicules them and they have to publicly apologise. All this while there are wars and major things going on in the world. Basically small things blown out of proportion and idols expected to be perfect 24/7. Let he who is without sin etc. The whole album is fire but I am loving HUH feat. JHope.💜
For me freedom is different from self-indulgence, because freedom is not absolute. One classic example is that freedom of expression should not extend to situation where it can harm others, e.g. hate speech. To take it to extreme, if we take say whatever we want (i.e. self-indulgence), it is possible to hurt someone to the extent that they take their own lives. I was thinking especially in Suga's world, the idol industry can be faced with many toxic fans making extremely hurtful comments, to the extent that there are multiple tragic incidents where the idols have committed suicide because of depression. That's why in the lyrics, Suga also raps "freedom of expression can be reason for somebody's death". Liberty should come with responsibility, and it should not be used selfishly without regard for others.
Freedom is new to S. Korea.... (like 1980's) many things we take for granted would be considered greedy. So having meat is a big deal for them. Health comes first in a conversation and stuff. There will be a fear of going back to a 3rd world country again...... for at least a hundred years......Older people may hoard for a while and the kids will look at them like they are crazy.
6:06 one army said he(police officer) smiling because he knows yoongi can't kill him because he's his own shadow. On daechwita too yoongi shoots the king (his anger). In haegeum we have 3 yoongi? One the thug yoongi with scar, 2nd the police officer yoongi with scar, and the third one yoongi without scar on his eye. I haven't yet decoded it. Yoongi said to listen to Daechwita>Haegeum>Amygdala in one sitting. Amygdala's mv is not out yet, maybe that'll explain the purpose of non-scarred yoongi? Idk
There’s a theory going round that the police chief in this video is the Yoongi that killed the king in Deachitwa. It shows how capitalism works to separate people further and further from their human values as they gain more position. And as always, the lower class rises up, someone always comes to take it from you (hence them both being killed) you can also see the different scars and how through the music videos it’s heals! Showing that with each version of himself that he is killing he is healing and reaching the person that he wants to be.
i dont care what people say .. for me its a mf 10!!! and we need A PSYCHO/ CRAZY/SEXY ACTOR AGUSTD!!!! Haegum as a double meaning.. its a string instument and it mean liberation
Freedom vs. self indulgence...I don't think he was thinking of this in reference to how it will affect people outside of yourself. I think it's more in the context of "Is what I'm doing in my life actually making me feel free or am I indulging myself because society has told me that this is what freedom is?" We have been fed a narrative that having money and possessions and "power" is freedom. But many people with lots of money and possessions still don't feel free. So what truly is freedom?
You're right, it is American anthem to think self-indulgence is a right like freedom. I'm in a good mood so I won't start, but yeah, there's a difference. 💜
@@Jurnalist_ quickly, so in the scene he makes the statement about freedom and self-indulgence, he lights a cigarette...cigarettes are bad for you, I know this, you know this BUT you are free to smoke even though you are just hurting yourself and possibly others. This is self-indulgence. ( I am an ex-smoker, nobody better come at me. It's just an example, the one used in the video.) :)))) Hope you are well xo
@@Jurnalist_ For me it boils down to being careless with your freedom. And yes, US people are known over at this side for being over indulgent. Like everyone screaming freedom but that doesn't make them any freer... (like RMs line in Moonchild). Being free: you are free to choose your career, free to have dinner or not... free to love men or women or both or none... And you curate your choices in a way. You are free but you purposefully don't damage yourself or any other in the way of your freedom Being self-indulgent: you are a kid that does whatever, whenever just because you can, even if you shouldn't, you don't care. And you don't care about the consequences on you or others.
self indulgence is for example is eating only sweets - what is obviously harmful for the human's health, so it is "freedom" but not freedom - > it is self indulgence.
It's also very interesting that a haegeum is shaped like a sledgehammer which is a tool that can and has been used for blunt force violence. There are so many layers to this one word
Thank you for your appreciation 😊 Suga said watch "Daechwita" + "Haegeum" + "Amygdala" music videos. The trilogy 😊 but "Amygdala" MV will be released next week so you might as well watch the two MVs again before the release of the last one. Can't wait to see your reaction to the whole album, looking forward and excited here 💜💜😁
One of my thoughts is that in being self indulgent sometimes we become "slaves" to the things we indulge in (drugs, alcohol, excess, etc.). So are we really free? And when I self indulge and end up hurting someone else is that ok? Those are the things that cross my mind when I see those lyrics. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Love your reaction as usual. 💜
My fellow American view of that self-indulgence vs freedom, is connected to how he was saying (paraphrased) “is it freedom if it’s hurting someone else”. Essentially, self-indulgence to me is being overtly selfish. For example, there’s two portions of a food/dish left and you decide to take both instead of letting someone else who may need the food have it, just because you want it. That, to me, is self indulgence. Do you have the freedom to do that? Absolutely, but when it infringes on somebody else’s rights or needs or hurts someone is when he’s asking if that is truly freedom. You can be free without affecting others negatively.
He just dropped a live. I love that he uses traditional instruments. And it sounds crazy with a live band. Haegeum, besides being a 2 stringed fiddle, is played when you lift a ban. He talks about it in his documentary. Which I think you would enjoy. Drowning means you inhale water into your lungs. Asphyxiation is just the deprivation of air. So the guy is attempting to drown him. Lol I am surprised you didn't catch any of the movie nods to The Dark Knight, Joker and Scarface. I don't remember if you have seen Daechwita or not. The characters are a continuation of a larger story. If you don't resolve your issues, you are doomed to repeat them throughout time. If you haven't seen Daechwita, run don't walk. 😘💜🫰🏻
I'd say an American comparison for the Freedom and self-indulgence could be the Yelling Fire in a movie theatre (for your own amusement). Once you do things that are for harm you lose the protection of freedom of speech. But I do agree, that as Americans we are almost militantly taught we can do whatever we want because of a protection of "freedoms" and it's not until you educate yourself and get older do you realize, we still need self-restraint and controls of some freedoms, especially those that have lethal consequences.
The Director of this MV and of Daechwita is the same and it shows. There are a lot of connections between both videos and I am going to have to go watch them side by side now. I like Haegeum but Daechwita is by far my favorite. I love how he incorporates instruments that are native to his country in with the modern. Thanks for checking this out.
Alright, here's what I personally understood from the line about differentiating self-indulgence from freedom: In a world where we're all concerned about financial gain and where we've all become part of a system that makes us slaves for money, some people might think of self-indulgence as being financially comfortable; spending merrily on your interests and desires. Self-indulgence can even be a form of greed! In this case, is self-indulgence the same as freedom? What if freedom is more so to do with breaking the shackles of that system? What if freedom involves not thinking about money in the first place or having to incorporate financial matters into our decisions and actions? If someone defines self-indulgence by financial comfortability (which we all arguably do at some point), then maybe this is not truly freedom - we're all still part of the same system.
Hanging out the police car window is like the Joker/the Black Knight. He says watch Daechwita this & Amygdala (not out yet). In order.. Haegeum is a 2 string instrument but it also means lifting bans...
So many parallels to Daechwita. It's the mad king vs the rebel all over again. Detective drunk on power and corrupt AF, rebel getting caught up in it and taking him down. Destroying greed. RE the gun, I feel like he did something similar here to what he did in Daechwita. In that one there was a nod between him and the executioner early in the video, and then the executioner cuts his ropes at the end and provides a gun. So I'm guessing story wise that one of the baddies hid the gun in the barrel for him? So, Haegeum is a traditional 2 string instrument, but it's also talking about the lifting of a ban on things that are forbidden. It's actually a line in the song "This song’s simply about freeing what’s forbidden". He was talking about this in the Road to D Day on Disney+. There's a huge double standard of what's acceptable for an Idol vs someone who's an average Joe. If I smoke, have tattoos, curse like a sailor and have romantic relationships, it's all fine. I might get judged by some people but it doesn't really affect me that much. All of those are things that Idols get CRUCIFIED for in the South Korean media, it can be career ending or at least damaging. So the cigarettes and smoking in the video are very intentional. I,I found it interesting that he used something controversial for idols to set a pile of money on fire. I'm not sure if it's a commentary on how damaging that something like that is to a career, or if he's showing that the money wasn't the point of his actions... I love the end shows him taking kind of trophies from the detective and making them his own. Using the police car to go where he wanted to go and taking the jacket too. I think the chopsticks are a huge metaphor too. He's literally using a tool that is used to feed ourselves to commit violence. Could be capitalism, could be art, could be words... I'm still unpacking this song tbh, he said and showed so much here. It's dense with meaning and it's a lot to wrap my head around.
for me the ''freedom and self indulgence'' is like you start rebelling, doing what you just feel like doing, to stand up for yourself but you can’t in this society, basically stop playing the game and or the game will fuck you up. i immediately remembered loki's “the bright lure of freedom diminishes your life’s joy in a mad scramble for power” if y'all can understand what im trying to say here lol that's how i interpreted :)
Haeguem means "lifting of the ban",, "to lift the ban",, "to do which is forbidden",,, well thats what suga and bts always do which others don't have nerves to do😁OUR KINGS💥💜
Thief Yoongi was Luring Corrupt Chief Yoongi out (via the Brazen Robbery) and Enraging him (via the Burning Money) leading to Murdering him (by turning the Henchmen against the Boss). LUMPENS and Yoongi basically did a Compilation of Marvel & DC's Greatest Moments for Haegeum ❤️🔥 Raid on the Money House from Luke Cage, Hallway Battle from Daredevil, Police Car Joyride from The Dark Knight, and Innumerable "New Blood Takes the Throne". As a Certified Nerd, I Approve 613% 👍🏽
@Jurnalist, The Korean language has a lot of meaning for the same word sometimes and in this particular word”Haegeum” it means in Korean a string instrument that is played with a bow and it also has another meaning representation of to unlock , release a Ban on something, to overturn prohibition. Agust D he’s definitely talking about the situation‘s that go on in the K-pop world where K-pop idols are not allowed to do certain things if you know this? This is the first time you see smoking in a“” K-pop music video”( technically Agust D is not representing K-pop but I’m generally just speaking on Korean popular music videos that are K-pop) The K-pop idol standards & restrictions that some of the Kpop companies put on their idols is no smoking, no drinking in public ,no clubbing, no dating,no swearing in your music videos or in your conversations when you’re being interviewed ,no showing tattoos in public as well as when you’re performing on stage in a public settings; for example like television shows that they have idols competing against each other! But as of 2023 we’ve seen K-pop idols showing tattoos , and doing some swearing in their music videos so it’s starting to get a little bit more Acceptable .All that is BS but we know that Agust D he doesn’t pull any punches he says you are allowed to express your freedom you can say what you wanna say but just remember if it’s all because you’re doing it for Self indulgence and you’re being selfish and you don’t care what you say and you don’t care if you hurt somebody’s feelings unnecessarily to be unkind we’re not talking about defending yourself ,we’re talking about just outrightly hating and doing that on social media ! just recently one of the K-pop idols MoonBin from k-pop idol group Astro took his own life! So he’s saying whatever you say whatever you do has consequences you do have a responsibility he also talked about RUclips and how we are a slave to social media and how we think that everything that is done on social media is under a microscope so whatever you say whatever you do on RUclips or TikTok or any of the social medias you will be accountable. Because people have been shut out of Twitter and other social medias they have been banned so therefore you lose your freedom for what the shit you say and what the shit you do so speak freely but just remember that has consequences ! Are you prepared to take on the consequences as well as the responsibility as a RUclips reactor! Lol As well as any other social media that you have a channel where you are conversing back-and-forth to the general public! You can speak your mind you can say whatever you want but just remember everything has consequences everything!
rant ahead lmao you asked for it though😂 freedom is such an interesting concept to me, because i dont think freedom in its truest sense can exist when we are bound to society. indulgence to me is a concept that concerns the individual, it can correlate to selfishness and greed as much as it can to freedom. anyway, i feel like yoongi is talking about the concepts of freedom and self-indulgence mostly in the context of the capitalist system we live in. capitalism feeds on the concept of self-indulgence disguised as freedom of speech and expression. indulgence whether materialistic or emotional in nature, it gets repackaged as freedom and the concept of freedom gets muddied. you know that meme thats like "me and all the so-called free thinkers at (..)" and it's a bunch of robots that all look alike standing in line 😭 something like that lol. at least that's what i got from his lyrics overall. we can't see the difference between freedom of thought and expression and self-indulgence for that very reason. for example, engaging in all these trends right. on tiktok and youtube there's these lifestyle trends that we indulge in, but they all sell you certain things that you buy thinking it's your personal freedom that allows you to consciously make a decision to make certain lifestyle changes but you're just guided by those changing trends. but what can we do here it's like a catch 22 situation. we're entrenched in the system so where does the freedom lie anyway. thats just my takeaway though and there's definitely a lot more eloquent and thoughtful ways to interpret what he's saying! tangential rant, when i think about freedom, i think about living without infringing on other people's right to also live freely and peacefully. but that is conditional freedom isn't it. and it cannot be anything but that as long as we live in a society (lol). and that is what we are fated with and bound to from the day we are born. navigating these concepts when i was a teenager was difficult, because my acts of rebellion to me were the essence of freeing oneself, but i couldn't understand that it came at the cost of my loved ones feeling estranged and betrayed by me. actions have consequences because society needs rules to operate functionally or itd be a flaming anarchy and all
i think the hidden limits of freedom lies in an existence of choice. many might say having a choice is what freedom is, but the question is who gave you things to choose between? the options we have is a system and the freedom we claim to have then seems more like self indulgence. freedom in it's absolute is too wide you will get more into what yoongi thinks on the matter when you listen to Stange from D-2. the lyrics are existential lol for me the story in the mv revolves around system as well. we have a common confrontation: the righteous against the criminals. easy black and white at first glance, but then the system that's supposed to set the rules of "right things" is just as corrupted as criminals. then who is right and who is more innocent: the one that does dirty sht in shadows or who's not afraid to do forbidden things openly? the man that the criminal yoongi left alive in the noodle shop is his accomplice, that's how in the end he gets a gun hidden in barrel. the whole money theft was not for the sake of money, his attitude actually shows it, he throws it around, burns it, etc. it was a plan to piss of the righteous system and kill it. which is not morally right, to harm and kill other people. but that's where freedom lies if we speak cynically i think the track doesn't give answers, it's just supposed to make you think
the "difference" between freedom and self-indulgence is that people should be able to hold their own opinions and express themselves freely but not self-indulge and harm others with said opinions and expression, and try to always say that you're standing is factual, hence the line "freedom of expression could be the cause for someone's death, how could you still call that freedom?"
Your tangents crack me up! Now I have to go look up the correct definition of drowning as well, totally made me question myself 😂 Haegeum is a traditional korean string instrument - it also means 'to lift a ban' / 'liberation'. I really think you would enjoy Suga's documentary: Road to D-Day - you would especially geek out the different studio settings you get to see in it. Looking forward to your reaction to the rest of the album.
Haegeum is to lift a ban or freedom from a ban or repression is how I’m taking it. And while he does reference self-indulgence I read the meaning more as over-indulgence. We have endless access to information but the overindulgence kills our imagination. Overindulging in the desire for money, status. Pondering if freedom really makes you free and understanding the difference to be free to do something and losing self control and self regulation just because you can, doesn’t make you free. I’m babbling but that’s kinda the angle I get. 🤷♀️
Self indulgence and freedom can relate Mill's harm principle. Yes you have freedom but if in having it you harm another is it moral. The trouble is in deciding what constitutes harm. It can vary from feeling miffed/hurt to actual hurting someone such as bullying someone to the point that they take their life. A lot to unpack of course. This is just first impressions. Haegum is an instrument I believe. I guess a new perspective?
Haegeum is an antique Korean instrument but in Chinese characters it means lifting, removing, a ban or restriction… and red title characters are Chinese btw not Korean.. they also appear in the “tony Montana” scene… (Along with a traditional sword like the one in Daechwita.. The phone number is actually a string of Suga related numbers lol
- The 25th, the third video of this trilogy comes out, it starts with Daechwita, it follows up with this and the final part of the story is gonna be Amygdala. - Haegeum means two things: It´s a tradicional korean string instrument and it also means, to lift a ban, allowing/unlocking something that was forbbidden. - To spanish, when he says self indulgance it translates to "libertinaje", wich means to act with abandon, making use of the right to freedom but without assuming the consequences of the acts carried out. You are free to do whatever you want but you are also responsible for the consequences your actions have on others and yourself. That is what he means when he says there is a difference.
Your freedom ends where the other person/group's human rights start. If your freedom damages others, it's not freedom anymore, it's self-indulgence. Example: racist people that say racist things against others, and damage their mental health (I'm not even getting into jobs or physical health). That's self-indulgence. But they claim is their "freedom of speech" to say X race people are inferior, ugly, etc. When you want to differentiate one from another, remember, human rights it's the line between one and another.
Im sure the definition has come up at least several times by now... Haegeum he is using in song, means unlocking or un-banning, unlimitting or unrestricting. Lifting a ban or resticting of something. For example... you started a new game and you need help and want to join a group/Co-op, but you there's level restriction. At say lvl 15, you were Haegeum to join one. Haegeum is also an tranditional Korean string instrument... If you watch his Weavers live that was on today, you will sill the Haegeum being played. It's the one that has long neck with 2 strings with a bow being played, along with other traditional instruments. They are Homophone. Written in Hangul (Korean) they are spelled the same. However, written in Chinese, the meanings change.
9:53 a haegeum is a traditional Korean string instrument. It also means to lift bans and allowing forbidden things. I think he’s trying to scmoke some herbal sctuff legally over there. Hence the glass pipes store and whatever else we saw that is illegal in South Korea and other East Asian countries.
Every new version of Agust D is killing his past selves to move forward and be a better person. Being introspective and realizing what kind of power and influence you have on the world stage, he tries to use it for good. He wants to provide comfort, ask the right questions, point out the real issues now that he can reach more people, so the collective can take part in positive change for the world. He wants freedom AND to become a good person at the same time and sometimes the world tells you that you cant have it both ways. Like you said people define freedom is having the ability to self indulge and to restrict yourself from that is not freedom. I think he is challenging that type of definition or at least exploring it. I think his fans love his music because we are so used to knowing that we have to look into it and learn more. He is not afraid to name his title track songs with Korean words that have different meanings because it is about the whole project for him. I do love the song from the perspective of just a listener because I like the beat, the lyrics are intriguing and the mv is eye catching but I do think the song is a WHOLE lot better when you find out what Haegeum means, when you watch the DDay Documentary where he explains how he approached the song/album, when you listen to the entire album top to bottom and when you have checked out his other mixtapes. It all connects for us like puzzle pieces to create a grander picture. The storyline makes sense, the things he says is not jarring when you know the type of person he is and he is just expressing it. Its music that makes me think of the situations I am in and how I can grow as a person. The reason I think that they have such a loyal fanbase is because we are all in, we were brought in by watching them explain the music they make, we are completely invested. It means something more to them and to us than just musical notes put together enough to keep one occupied for 3 minutes. Sorry for the long winded comments, i am not very good at these lol
Sometimes it’s a good idea to research the song you are reacting to during your reaction video. You can always Google it whenever you don’t know what a word means or if you want the lyrics translation in English. Haegeum refers to a stringed Korean musical instrument similar to a violin. I heard that It also has a dual meaning which is freedom from restraints. I think it is the second meaning he is really getting at in his song.
6:13 💯😂 facts. He’s trying to entice his American viewers with that smoke. I just know the airport be checking through his luggage every time he returns home to see if he brought any MURICAN souvenirs.
We respectfully ask reactors to wait 24 hours before posting reaction to a new song...Because we want it to get all it's veiws ...THANK YOU for doing that💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
@@caratdeul613 most viewers of reaction channels who specifically watch music videos are already fans who just want to see someone's reaction so they've already watched the video and dont need the hype from a reaction channel This only applies to music videos tho that's why reactors NOT waiting 24hr to release their reactions does more harm than good
@@myaar7358 The amount of times where I’m streaming during a premiere but the these reactors who can’t wait are the second result sometimes even the first result is annoying Because accidental clicks happen and that’s 3sec wasted which then adds up a lot since we have a lot of ARMYs
@@TheRita200 ur completely right, we already have a disadvantage because of the industry esp billboard and things like that, but on the bright side its those disadvantages and hardships that make their achievements so much more groundbreaking, meaningful, and special ! I hope reactors can try and understand that we armys are really trying our hardest here...
Fun fact, there's such a thing as dry drowning. It's when after a near drowning when you're back on land, your lungs are so inflamed that you end up asphyxiating even hours later. That's why even if you feel OK after almost drowning you should still go to the hospital
True freedom is not getting arrested/killed/etc. for being "different", in my opinion. True freedom is having the space to speak your mind and follow your own path regardless of surrounding ideologies, culture and government. True freedom is being able to dress how you want, look how you want, do what you want without scrutiny, malice or straight up threats coming your way. True freedom is being able to live how you want in peace. That's not the same as self-indulgence. You may have the resources to buy something everyone will hate you for, a ridiculous outfit or some piece of land, because you have that freedom of choice. But your hands can still be tied, your mouth sealed by someone you cannot even reach. We all belong to a system and that system has immense power over us.
With the current trend of social media and self indulgence everyone have giving up on thinking whats happening around us....revolution begins with thought.........
The drowning comment killed me 😂😂 but on paper drowning is suffocation by immersion in any liquid. Just so happens that water is the most popular option apparently😂
This is what I saw in the video, not counting any other theories out there. I saw a corrupt cop, looks a bit yakuza like, coming at a thief who is doing what he wants to indulge whatever he feels like (even a fish in a water bottle cooler). So who's in the wrong between them? Do they both negate each other's wrongs? (Burning of the money they both wanted) For their own self indulgence, is that freedom that people talk about. Regardless of what you self indulge in, if it infringes on what others call their freedom, there's going to be consequences. That's just my two cents out there on this one. I see something different every time I watch it though.
윤기에 대한 관심과 좋은 평가 감사합니다.💜 뮤비 배경은 치외법권 (법보다 힘, 돈이먼저되는사회) 지역인 홍콩의 구룡성체이고、대취타의 연장으로 이 곡도 1인 2역입니다. 해금에서의 일반인인 이상적 자아 슈가와 잠복근무 중인 현실적 자아 경찰을 통해 동일인물의 다른 자아를 표현. 슈가가 2역을 맡은 이유는 그 하나하나도 결국 모두 슈가이기 때문이죠. (큰 맥락에서의 설명은 여기까지만) 해금은 우리 한국의 2천이상 이어온 전통 현악기 중 하나이며 、 취향을 떠나 사람마다 곡 해석이 매우 쉬워 재밌고 그 속에서 심오함을 찾는 즐거움을 누닐수도 있는 반면에 반대로 윤기가 뭔 말을 하는지 도통 이해할 수 없어 아주 어려울 수도 있는 곡 입니다. 금지 된 것으로부터 해방. 🟣🟪
To me context is everything. Imo freedom here represents a maturity that the self-indulgence concept lacks straight up. Are you/we mature about our freedoms or are we self-absorbed about them?
Thanks for your reaction! I didn't know what Haegeum meant either until I googled it. I hear you say that a lot when you're reacting to BTS music. And you may say that for other artists that you react to however I only watch your BTS reactions. I don't think most of us who aren't Korean understand much of their music that's why there's so many translations/definitions that fans provide for the fandom. I would have liked for you to have googled the definition during the reaction that would have provided us with YOUR interpretation of the meaning of the word and how it relates to the song.
To me what we call self indulgence today is want of that new car, that new watch, that new phone, money, more comfort. Everything for you. But nothing of you own. All of these are what's fed to you and you lap it up like a dog. You live your life earning money just so you could live, you along the way enjoy what's there and are content. You don't look, you have no reason to. And so you don't see. And to the society, the heart of the system, that is freedom. To the people with all of their laws, their morals, their etiquette who never look at life and see life, who have begun in the middle, on the top of what is learnt and known and build from there and call it theirs, to all of them that is life. And well as we increased in numbers and our community grew that was essential. Law and morals exist to decrease conflict. Judgement is just what you see. And we all in all that indulge. Freedom isn't this though. Freedom is what you make of things, what you create and choose, whether that be from what exists and/or from nothing. This is quite a zen concept though. Don't think this would be practical.😂 Not unless you lose your desire to rise above the rest and well that's not going anywhere. People with these thoughts usually end up at the top of mountains; Hell, even I keep it suppressed. I'm kinda impressed by him for saying this in the thick of it. Man's using his influence well. Well, it's AGUST D.
Self indulgence ends where it harms others or perhaps even yourself. As expected it’s both a banger, musically so good, and lyrically I’ll be reflecting on this one for a long long time.
I gave it an 8 too until I heard it in the car.. definitely a replay for me. And a tip tho.. if you don't know what he's saying you can Google it my friend 😂
Haegeum means banned/forbidden. From watching other reactors I found out that in Korea you cannot light a cigarette in a show because it is forbidden. So the line of the song where he is lighting up a smoke makes more sense to me now. Also you cannot kill someone with a gun in a tv show also forbidden. Shows that contain an action that is forbidden will not air on Korean TV. So when you are singing around the house, just replace haegeum with forbidden :)
the like the meaning of the song/mv, here are some interpretations i saw on twitter: I think that is interesting that the original agust d became the mad king and the d-2 agust d became a rich looking cop idk if that's his intention but it very much reads as a critique on corruption by money and power. especially as he kills them both at the end self critique? a critique of the system? both? definitely both. basically saying that with power and money you could always easily become everything you swore to hate at the beginning. also every day you see artists who went from nothing become so unrecognizable once they had a taste of money you know what i find funny in both daechwita and haegeum? That scarred ass version of Yoongi NEVER fights back. He got shot in both and didn't even try to fight back. It's like he's either aware this is always gonna be his fate or he just wants to disappear. it also feels like he's very condescending, smirking as he gets shot, almost like he's saying "i will be back" like i feel the policeman is truly the king reincarnated, yoongi killed the king, the "proud, boastful, greedy" part of him thinking that was it, but then he just comes back still the same that's kinda like his inner demons never really leaving and always being in the back of his mind
I've listened to it a number of time's already I really like it. Indulgence is fine in moderation however it can become a vice to the detriment of others and yourself as that's when it effects friends, family and the wider society it can becomes selfish greed. Freedom come's with responsibility. I'm free to be indulgent but as I'm a responsible person I should be careful with how indulgent I might become. It's like most things in life it's finding that balance.
Freedom of speech has a purpose - to invoke change. Self-indulgence is everyone posting their opinions, out of a sense of self-importance... And calling it freedom of speech. But really, they just like the sound of their own voice.
Every time yoongi released a song with Lyrics Like that people get mad on Twitter and weel their faves are targeted, like if the shoe fit....Well hello Cinderella 😂
4 me personally, i think if we are free to self indulge, but being overly indulgent, isn't as free as it seems, cuz we r ruled by our desires or emotions-which can damage urself & others...we r free 2 do that, but is it freeing 2 do that? not sayin that is how agust d feels, but that is how i feel about the difference ✌💜🙏
My initial thoughts. Freedom edges into self-indulgence is when it starts looking more like one of the deadly sins. Gluttony as overindulgence. Envy as indulging in something for bad/negative reasons that will ultimately hurt myself or others. Vanity to the point of extreme self-maintenance or exclusion of other beauties in the world. Like, don't be held back by what the world might tell you is forbidden, but don't lose yourself and risk doing harm by freely exploring whatever you want. Personally, Agust-D seems to have a better opinion of people than I do. I don't think most people are capable of exercising control if they have the money or influence to do whatever they want. Then again, ARMY tries to make a point of making the world a better place, so maybe Agust-D believes the best in humanity because he sees it in ARMY. But that sounds too self aggrandizing since I consider myself part of ARMY. If nothing else, the lyrics provoke self reflection.
Each individual has to figure out for themself the difference between fighting for one's/their freedom and them self-indulging, the effects of which might not be obviously visible, but might be harmful to society and the world in general, which includes other people! How I interpret it is in these times of social media, we pretend and sometimes live in the illusion that we are fighting for freedom/some just cause (which might at times hurt/break other people)but in reality forget to realise and understand what our actions stem from, whether they stem from the unselfish need for doing good to society or from our sense of addressing our sense of grandiosity, a form of selfishness or sometimes just the need to release our frustration. This lack of self-reflection/thoughtlessness makes us say and do a lot of "stupid" things as we mistake self-indulgence/selfishness for freedom! That's how at least I (knowing somewhat of the way Suga and other members of BTS think of the world) interpret the phrase! Sorry for this long comment! I hope I made some sense!
In Catholic philosophy, freedom means being able to do what one OUGHT to do (ability to live by your principles) ; but self-indulgence is freedom to do what one WANTS to do, which is just licentiousness (having no principles)
The chopsticks to me symbolize the system (entertainment, capitalism, etc) and in the beginning he wanted to take down the system so he used them to kill that man. But, in the end it’s realized he though he feels the system is wrong and he can criticize it all he wants, it’s still something he’s forced to participate in due to the society he (we all) lives in. And he questions if we are truly free (or ever will be) under the supposed freedom we have
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I’m American, and I think one of our countries problems is not knowing the difference between freedom and self indulgence.
I can agree. I also because I’m American love that we don’t. No inhibitions. It’s a dangerous and bad balance but one I have come to know and love but I see it often times misused to hurt others.
@@Jurnalist_ Yoongi explains it in the previous sentence you commented on. And it is relatable again unfortunately as another of those incidents happened just before Agust D released this song. Basically it has the meaning of your freedom ( of speech) ends when another person's freedom (of rights) begin.
@@Jurnalist_ You people in the US are too lenient. We in Greece at least we have laws to prevent this. Like you have the freedom to express yourself but there are consequences according to what you express because the other person has the freedom to sue you. Also you'll understand what Haegeum is if you watch the live video. The sound of it is more prominent. It's out in BANGTANTV. This song is basically a sister song sonically and storywise to Daechwita
@@pennybleta9721 that’s incorrect. If it’s slander or libel then you can sue. But you cannot Sue because you felt offended that’s just some sucker shit. Not liking what was said and you can sue a party for that is not okay it’s totalitarian. Just like in Korea it’s bs you can sue if it caused mental distress. The oppression of speech or thought just to prevent offense is wrong as well.
@@Jurnalist_ If the freedom of speech is disrespectful you can sue in my country. If you call someone an asshole which is basically a curse word people according to our law system you can sue them. If you insult me face to face in any way even a minor one in my country I have the right to sue you. And there's definitely laws for online bullying. If there's death involved then it's considered a murder case even. Any form of bullying is punishable by law. If you also spread misinformation and lies about someone it's also punishable by law. Like you are free to do anything you want but there's always consequences. We are not in dictatorship any more since years here where there was no freedom of speech and artists had to conceal their opinions but there's always consequences. Like you are also free to murder people but there are laws to ensure some kind of decency. We don't live with the law of the jungle that anyone does whatever they want..We are supposed to be an evolved society.
haegeum means "to lift a ban" and allowed something that is forbidden , it's also a traditional Korean string instrument
Yes and pronunciation I hear from Korean news reporters is like: hay-geum/hay-goom.
The phone number has a meaning. If you read it backwards you get:
-2013 (bts' debut year)
-July 9th (armys birthday)
-March 9th (Yoongi's birthday)
Yoongi is such a genius, there are so many connections with Daechwita. I love how in both MVs, the person in charge (the king in daechwita and the officer in Haegeum) dies and it resembles him saying goodbye to his past self while also calling out the things that are considered wrong in society. I'm not good at articulating myself and fellow ARMYs correct me if I said something wrong but this is just another masterpiece. 'Haegeum' means 'lifting the ban off something', so fighting for freedom and it is also a Korean string instrument which you heard at the beginning of the song and throughout the song as well on the background.
About the freedom and self-indulgence thing: when I looked up the definition of someone who with a 'self-indulgent' personality, it said the following:
"Self indulgence is often referred to someone who is being greedy, or is just generally selfish, and it is often seen as a bad thing. Some would say a self-indulgent person thinks about themselves a lot; they over eat, they care only about themselves, they take too much of a good thing." (of course everyone can interpret 'self-indulgence' in their own way but I liked this explanation of it)
How I understood that lyric was: Freedom is important and you should fight for your freedom but make sure you know the difference between having freedom and being selfish and taking too much.
I am curious to hear other people's take on it as well.
sorry for this book that I wrote 😂
Yoongi said he wanted the smoking scenes in the video even if it can't be shown in Korea. This is to show the ridiculous scrutiny put on idols who are caught smoking or vaping and the media ridicules them and they have to publicly apologise. All this while there are wars and major things going on in the world. Basically small things blown out of proportion and idols expected to be perfect 24/7.
Let he who is without sin etc.
The whole album is fire but I am loving HUH feat. JHope.💜
This song and mv is my new personality for the next month
For me freedom is different from self-indulgence, because freedom is not absolute. One classic example is that freedom of expression should not extend to situation where it can harm others, e.g. hate speech. To take it to extreme, if we take say whatever we want (i.e. self-indulgence), it is possible to hurt someone to the extent that they take their own lives.
I was thinking especially in Suga's world, the idol industry can be faced with many toxic fans making extremely hurtful comments, to the extent that there are multiple tragic incidents where the idols have committed suicide because of depression. That's why in the lyrics, Suga also raps "freedom of expression can be reason for somebody's death".
Liberty should come with responsibility, and it should not be used selfishly without regard for others.
My thoughts too. Freedom comes with responsibility while self-indulgence is without constrictions of any kind, just egotistical....
Freedom is new to S. Korea.... (like 1980's) many things we take for granted would be considered greedy. So having meat is a big deal for them. Health comes first in a conversation and stuff. There will be a fear of going back to a 3rd world country again...... for at least a hundred years......Older people may hoard for a while and the kids will look at them like they are crazy.
nd now our official cursing emoji is a chopstick loll
6:06 one army said he(police officer) smiling because he knows yoongi can't kill him because he's his own shadow. On daechwita too yoongi shoots the king (his anger). In haegeum we have 3 yoongi? One the thug yoongi with scar, 2nd the police officer yoongi with scar, and the third one yoongi without scar on his eye. I haven't yet decoded it.
Yoongi said to listen to Daechwita>Haegeum>Amygdala in one sitting. Amygdala's mv is not out yet, maybe that'll explain the purpose of non-scarred yoongi? Idk
THE WHOLE ALBUM IS A MASTERPIECE🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
There’s a theory going round that the police chief in this video is the Yoongi that killed the king in Deachitwa. It shows how capitalism works to separate people further and further from their human values as they gain more position. And as always, the lower class rises up, someone always comes to take it from you (hence them both being killed) you can also see the different scars and how through the music videos it’s heals! Showing that with each version of himself that he is killing he is healing and reaching the person that he wants to be.
Drowning>water enters the lungs, suffocation>oxygen deprivation
i dont care what people say .. for me its a mf 10!!!
and we need A PSYCHO/ CRAZY/SEXY ACTOR AGUSTD!!!!
Haegum as a double meaning..
its a string instument and it mean liberation
Yes 🙌🏼 Suga might as well be an actor too. I love these mv like a movie, and he does it well.
Freedom vs. self indulgence...I don't think he was thinking of this in reference to how it will affect people outside of yourself. I think it's more in the context of "Is what I'm doing in my life actually making me feel free or am I indulging myself because society has told me that this is what freedom is?" We have been fed a narrative that having money and possessions and "power" is freedom. But many people with lots of money and possessions still don't feel free. So what truly is freedom?
You're right, it is American anthem to think self-indulgence is a right like freedom. I'm in a good mood so I won't start, but yeah, there's a difference. 💜
O do please start. I need to hear other perspectives. 😂😂
@@Jurnalist_ quickly, so in the scene he makes the statement about freedom and self-indulgence, he lights a cigarette...cigarettes are bad for you, I know this, you know this BUT you are free to smoke even though you are just hurting yourself and possibly others. This is self-indulgence. ( I am an ex-smoker, nobody better come at me. It's just an example, the one used in the video.) :)))) Hope you are well xo
Hahahahahahahahahahaah, indeed... :_)
@@Jurnalist_ For me it boils down to being careless with your freedom. And yes, US people are known over at this side for being over indulgent. Like everyone screaming freedom but that doesn't make them any freer... (like RMs line in Moonchild).
Being free: you are free to choose your career, free to have dinner or not... free to love men or women or both or none... And you curate your choices in a way. You are free but you purposefully don't damage yourself or any other in the way of your freedom
Being self-indulgent: you are a kid that does whatever, whenever just because you can, even if you shouldn't, you don't care. And you don't care about the consequences on you or others.
@@loredell i think this was a great explanation !
self indulgence is for example is eating only sweets - what is obviously harmful for the human's health, so it is "freedom" but not freedom - > it is self indulgence.
The guy drowning him was in the beginning calling the cops aka Agust D with the scar so it was a set up to kill cop version of Agust D
A haegeum is an instrument with 2 strings - like a pair of chopsticks.
AgustD using music to slay haters, and then using music to feed himself.
Wow that's interesting view.
It's also very interesting that a haegeum is shaped like a sledgehammer which is a tool that can and has been used for blunt force violence. There are so many layers to this one word
@@ZariDV wow never knew that thanks for sharing.
@@daisysejera4253 You're welcome. You should google the instrument. It's really cool to see.
Thank you for your appreciation 😊
Suga said watch "Daechwita" + "Haegeum" + "Amygdala" music videos. The trilogy 😊 but "Amygdala" MV will be released next week so you might as well watch the two MVs again before the release of the last one.
Can't wait to see your reaction to the whole album, looking forward and excited here 💜💜😁
One of my thoughts is that in being self indulgent sometimes we become "slaves" to the things we indulge in (drugs, alcohol, excess, etc.). So are we really free? And when I self indulge and end up hurting someone else is that ok? Those are the things that cross my mind when I see those lyrics. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Love your reaction as usual. 💜
My fellow American view of that self-indulgence vs freedom, is connected to how he was saying (paraphrased) “is it freedom if it’s hurting someone else”. Essentially, self-indulgence to me is being overtly selfish. For example, there’s two portions of a food/dish left and you decide to take both instead of letting someone else who may need the food have it, just because you want it. That, to me, is self indulgence. Do you have the freedom to do that? Absolutely, but when it infringes on somebody else’s rights or needs or hurts someone is when he’s asking if that is truly freedom. You can be free without affecting others negatively.
He just dropped a live. I love that he uses traditional instruments. And it sounds crazy with a live band. Haegeum, besides being a 2 stringed fiddle, is played when you lift a ban. He talks about it in his documentary. Which I think you would enjoy.
Drowning means you inhale water into your lungs. Asphyxiation is just the deprivation of air. So the guy is attempting to drown him. Lol
I am surprised you didn't catch any of the movie nods to The Dark Knight, Joker and Scarface. I don't remember if you have seen Daechwita or not. The characters are a continuation of a larger story. If you don't resolve your issues, you are doomed to repeat them throughout time.
If you haven't seen Daechwita, run don't walk.
😘💜🫰🏻
I'd say an American comparison for the Freedom and self-indulgence could be the Yelling Fire in a movie theatre (for your own amusement). Once you do things that are for harm you lose the protection of freedom of speech.
But I do agree, that as Americans we are almost militantly taught we can do whatever we want because of a protection of "freedoms" and it's not until you educate yourself and get older do you realize, we still need self-restraint and controls of some freedoms, especially those that have lethal consequences.
The live version of stigma in all of the live performances you can tell taehyung’s growth in his vocals. That high note takes you somewhere else!
The Director of this MV and of Daechwita is the same and it shows. There are a lot of connections between both videos and I am going to have to go watch them side by side now. I like Haegeum but Daechwita is by far my favorite. I love how he incorporates instruments that are native to his country in with the modern. Thanks for checking this out.
Alright, here's what I personally understood from the line about differentiating self-indulgence from freedom:
In a world where we're all concerned about financial gain and where we've all become part of a system that makes us slaves for money, some people might think of self-indulgence as being financially comfortable; spending merrily on your interests and desires. Self-indulgence can even be a form of greed! In this case, is self-indulgence the same as freedom? What if freedom is more so to do with breaking the shackles of that system? What if freedom involves not thinking about money in the first place or having to incorporate financial matters into our decisions and actions? If someone defines self-indulgence by financial comfortability (which we all arguably do at some point), then maybe this is not truly freedom - we're all still part of the same system.
Hanging out the police car window is like the Joker/the Black Knight. He says watch Daechwita this & Amygdala (not out yet). In order.. Haegeum is a 2 string instrument but it also means lifting bans...
Penny you mean Dark Knight not Black Knight! You must not be A Batman or DC Fan
Yes Dark Knight! Lol I work night shift so I didnt even realize my mistake! Smh
So many parallels to Daechwita. It's the mad king vs the rebel all over again. Detective drunk on power and corrupt AF, rebel getting caught up in it and taking him down. Destroying greed. RE the gun, I feel like he did something similar here to what he did in Daechwita. In that one there was a nod between him and the executioner early in the video, and then the executioner cuts his ropes at the end and provides a gun. So I'm guessing story wise that one of the baddies hid the gun in the barrel for him?
So, Haegeum is a traditional 2 string instrument, but it's also talking about the lifting of a ban on things that are forbidden. It's actually a line in the song "This song’s simply about freeing what’s forbidden". He was talking about this in the Road to D Day on Disney+. There's a huge double standard of what's acceptable for an Idol vs someone who's an average Joe. If I smoke, have tattoos, curse like a sailor and have romantic relationships, it's all fine. I might get judged by some people but it doesn't really affect me that much. All of those are things that Idols get CRUCIFIED for in the South Korean media, it can be career ending or at least damaging. So the cigarettes and smoking in the video are very intentional. I,I found it interesting that he used something controversial for idols to set a pile of money on fire. I'm not sure if it's a commentary on how damaging that something like that is to a career, or if he's showing that the money wasn't the point of his actions...
I love the end shows him taking kind of trophies from the detective and making them his own. Using the police car to go where he wanted to go and taking the jacket too.
I think the chopsticks are a huge metaphor too. He's literally using a tool that is used to feed ourselves to commit violence. Could be capitalism, could be art, could be words...
I'm still unpacking this song tbh, he said and showed so much here. It's dense with meaning and it's a lot to wrap my head around.
for me the ''freedom and self indulgence'' is like you start rebelling, doing what you just feel like doing, to stand up for yourself but you can’t in this society, basically stop playing the game and or the game will fuck you up. i immediately remembered loki's “the bright lure of freedom diminishes your life’s joy in a mad scramble for power” if y'all can understand what im trying to say here lol that's how i interpreted :)
Haeguem means "lifting of the ban",, "to lift the ban",, "to do which is forbidden",,, well thats what suga and bts always do which others don't have nerves to do😁OUR KINGS💥💜
Thief Yoongi was Luring Corrupt Chief Yoongi out (via the Brazen Robbery) and Enraging him (via the Burning Money) leading to Murdering him (by turning the Henchmen against the Boss).
LUMPENS and Yoongi basically did a Compilation of Marvel & DC's Greatest Moments for Haegeum ❤️🔥
Raid on the Money House from Luke Cage, Hallway Battle from Daredevil, Police Car Joyride from The Dark Knight, and Innumerable "New Blood Takes the Throne".
As a Certified Nerd, I Approve 613% 👍🏽
@Jurnalist, The Korean language has a lot of meaning for the same word sometimes and in this particular word”Haegeum” it means in Korean a string instrument that is played with a bow and it also has another meaning representation of to unlock , release a Ban on something, to overturn prohibition.
Agust D he’s definitely talking about the situation‘s that go on in the K-pop world where K-pop idols are not allowed to do certain things if you know this? This is the first time you see smoking in a“” K-pop music video”( technically Agust D is not representing K-pop but I’m generally just speaking on Korean popular music videos that are K-pop) The K-pop idol standards & restrictions that some of the Kpop companies put on their idols is no smoking, no drinking in public ,no clubbing, no dating,no swearing in your music videos or in your conversations when you’re being interviewed ,no showing tattoos in public as well as when you’re performing on stage in a public settings; for example like television shows that they have idols competing against each other! But as of 2023 we’ve seen K-pop idols showing tattoos , and doing some swearing in their music videos so it’s starting to get a little bit more Acceptable .All that is BS but we know that Agust D he doesn’t pull any punches he says you are allowed to express your freedom you can say what you wanna say but just remember if it’s all because you’re doing it for Self indulgence and you’re being selfish and you don’t care what you say and you don’t care if you hurt somebody’s feelings unnecessarily to be unkind we’re not talking about defending yourself ,we’re talking about just outrightly hating and doing that on social media !
just recently one of the K-pop idols MoonBin from k-pop idol group Astro took his own life! So he’s saying whatever you say whatever you do has consequences you do have a responsibility he also talked about RUclips and how we are a slave to social media and how we think that everything that is done on social media is under a microscope so whatever you say whatever you do on RUclips or TikTok or any of the social medias you will be accountable. Because people have been shut out of Twitter and other social medias they have been banned so therefore you lose your freedom for what the shit you say and what the shit you do so speak freely but just remember that has consequences ! Are you prepared to take on the consequences as well as the responsibility as a RUclips reactor! Lol As well as any other social media that you have a channel where you are conversing back-and-forth to the general public! You can speak your mind you can say whatever you want but just remember everything has consequences everything!
Self indulgence can lead to addictions and addictions enslave us. So it's not real freedom.
The numbers they use on MVs are usually their debut ate, ARMY birthday, their birthday etc...even for the phone numbers XD
Haegeum has a lots of visual story telling
rant ahead lmao you asked for it though😂
freedom is such an interesting concept to me, because i dont think freedom in its truest sense can exist when we are bound to society. indulgence to me is a concept that concerns the individual, it can correlate to selfishness and greed as much as it can to freedom.
anyway, i feel like yoongi is talking about the concepts of freedom and self-indulgence mostly in the context of the capitalist system we live in. capitalism feeds on the concept of self-indulgence disguised as freedom of speech and expression. indulgence whether materialistic or emotional in nature, it gets repackaged as freedom and the concept of freedom gets muddied. you know that meme thats like "me and all the so-called free thinkers at (..)" and it's a bunch of robots that all look alike standing in line 😭 something like that lol. at least that's what i got from his lyrics overall. we can't see the difference between freedom of thought and expression and self-indulgence for that very reason. for example, engaging in all these trends right. on tiktok and youtube there's these lifestyle trends that we indulge in, but they all sell you certain things that you buy thinking it's your personal freedom that allows you to consciously make a decision to make certain lifestyle changes but you're just guided by those changing trends. but what can we do here it's like a catch 22 situation. we're entrenched in the system so where does the freedom lie anyway. thats just my takeaway though and there's definitely a lot more eloquent and thoughtful ways to interpret what he's saying!
tangential rant, when i think about freedom, i think about living without infringing on other people's right to also live freely and peacefully. but that is conditional freedom isn't it. and it cannot be anything but that as long as we live in a society (lol). and that is what we are fated with and bound to from the day we are born. navigating these concepts when i was a teenager was difficult, because my acts of rebellion to me were the essence of freeing oneself, but i couldn't understand that it came at the cost of my loved ones feeling estranged and betrayed by me. actions have consequences because society needs rules to operate functionally or itd be a flaming anarchy and all
He just dropped a live performance for this song.. like to see your reaction to it, with afcourse the album D-DAY!
i think the hidden limits of freedom lies in an existence of choice. many might say having a choice is what freedom is, but the question is who gave you things to choose between? the options we have is a system and the freedom we claim to have then seems more like self indulgence. freedom in it's absolute is too wide
you will get more into what yoongi thinks on the matter when you listen to Stange from D-2. the lyrics are existential lol
for me the story in the mv revolves around system as well. we have a common confrontation: the righteous against the criminals. easy black and white at first glance, but then the system that's supposed to set the rules of "right things" is just as corrupted as criminals. then who is right and who is more innocent: the one that does dirty sht in shadows or who's not afraid to do forbidden things openly?
the man that the criminal yoongi left alive in the noodle shop is his accomplice, that's how in the end he gets a gun hidden in barrel. the whole money theft was not for the sake of money, his attitude actually shows it, he throws it around, burns it, etc. it was a plan to piss of the righteous system and kill it. which is not morally right, to harm and kill other people. but that's where freedom lies if we speak cynically
i think the track doesn't give answers, it's just supposed to make you think
the "difference" between freedom and self-indulgence is that people should be able to hold their own opinions and express themselves freely but not self-indulge and harm others with said opinions and expression, and try to always say that you're standing is factual, hence the line "freedom of expression could be the cause for someone's death, how could you still call that freedom?"
I'm in love with this song and MV. SOOOOOO good. Suga is genius
Is he looking at us? "Interpretation is free for all"
Your tangents crack me up! Now I have to go look up the correct definition of drowning as well, totally made me question myself 😂 Haegeum is a traditional korean string instrument - it also means 'to lift a ban' / 'liberation'. I really think you would enjoy Suga's documentary: Road to D-Day - you would especially geek out the different studio settings you get to see in it. Looking forward to your reaction to the rest of the album.
He pointed out envy and jealousy and putting our own shackles. Wise one.
Haegeum is to lift a ban or freedom from a ban or repression is how I’m taking it. And while he does reference self-indulgence I read the meaning more as over-indulgence. We have endless access to information but the overindulgence kills our imagination. Overindulging in the desire for money, status. Pondering if freedom really makes you free and understanding the difference to be free to do something and losing self control and self regulation just because you can, doesn’t make you free. I’m babbling but that’s kinda the angle I get. 🤷♀️
the fact that he put down acting roles cause he thought he wouldn’t be good at it… I really need him in a movie or k drama 💔
Drowning is the process. You don’t have to die to drown.
Self indulgence and freedom can relate Mill's harm principle. Yes you have freedom but if in having it you harm another is it moral. The trouble is in deciding what constitutes harm. It can vary from feeling miffed/hurt to actual hurting someone such as bullying someone to the point that they take their life. A lot to unpack of course. This is just first impressions. Haegum is an instrument I believe. I guess a new perspective?
Haegeum is an antique Korean instrument but in Chinese characters it means lifting, removing, a ban or restriction… and red title characters are Chinese btw not Korean.. they also appear in the “tony Montana” scene…
(Along with a traditional sword like the one in Daechwita..
The phone number is actually a string of Suga related numbers lol
- The 25th, the third video of this trilogy comes out, it starts with Daechwita, it follows up with this and the final part of the story is gonna be Amygdala.
- Haegeum means two things: It´s a tradicional korean string instrument and it also means, to lift a ban, allowing/unlocking something that was forbbidden.
- To spanish, when he says self indulgance it translates to "libertinaje", wich means to act with abandon, making use of the right to freedom but without assuming the consequences of the acts carried out. You are free to do whatever you want but you are also responsible for the consequences your actions have on others and yourself. That is what he means when he says there is a difference.
Your freedom ends where the other person/group's human rights start. If your freedom damages others, it's not freedom anymore, it's self-indulgence. Example: racist people that say racist things against others, and damage their mental health (I'm not even getting into jobs or physical health). That's self-indulgence. But they claim is their "freedom of speech" to say X race people are inferior, ugly, etc. When you want to differentiate one from another, remember, human rights it's the line between one and another.
Im sure the definition has come up at least several times by now... Haegeum he is using in song, means unlocking or un-banning, unlimitting or unrestricting. Lifting a ban or resticting of something. For example... you started a new game and you need help and want to join a group/Co-op, but you there's level restriction. At say lvl 15, you were Haegeum to join one. Haegeum is also an tranditional Korean string instrument... If you watch his Weavers live that was on today, you will sill the Haegeum being played. It's the one that has long neck with 2 strings with a bow being played, along with other traditional instruments. They are Homophone. Written in Hangul (Korean) they are spelled the same. However, written in Chinese, the meanings change.
9:53 a haegeum is a traditional Korean string instrument. It also means to lift bans and allowing forbidden things. I think he’s trying to scmoke some herbal sctuff legally over there. Hence the glass pipes store and whatever else we saw that is illegal in South Korea and other East Asian countries.
Every new version of Agust D is killing his past selves to move forward and be a better person. Being introspective and realizing what kind of power and influence you have on the world stage, he tries to use it for good. He wants to provide comfort, ask the right questions, point out the real issues now that he can reach more people, so the collective can take part in positive change for the world.
He wants freedom AND to become a good person at the same time and sometimes the world tells you that you cant have it both ways. Like you said people define freedom is having the ability to self indulge and to restrict yourself from that is not freedom. I think he is challenging that type of definition or at least exploring it.
I think his fans love his music because we are so used to knowing that we have to look into it and learn more. He is not afraid to name his title track songs with Korean words that have different meanings because it is about the whole project for him.
I do love the song from the perspective of just a listener because I like the beat, the lyrics are intriguing and the mv is eye catching but I do think the song is a WHOLE lot better when you find out what Haegeum means, when you watch the DDay Documentary where he explains how he approached the song/album, when you listen to the entire album top to bottom and when you have checked out his other mixtapes.
It all connects for us like puzzle pieces to create a grander picture. The storyline makes sense, the things he says is not jarring when you know the type of person he is and he is just expressing it. Its music that makes me think of the situations I am in and how I can grow as a person.
The reason I think that they have such a loyal fanbase is because we are all in, we were brought in by watching them explain the music they make, we are completely invested.
It means something more to them and to us than just musical notes put together enough to keep one occupied for 3 minutes.
Sorry for the long winded comments, i am not very good at these lol
Sometimes it’s a good idea to research the song you are reacting to during your reaction video. You can always Google it whenever you don’t know what a word means or if you want the lyrics translation in English. Haegeum refers to a stringed Korean musical instrument similar to a violin. I heard that It also has a dual meaning which is freedom from restraints. I think it is the second meaning he is really getting at in his song.
Jeez how can one zoom in on a tattoo advert on a shop front while Suga is in the frame about to turn it up! What an anti climax 😂
6:13 💯😂 facts. He’s trying to entice his American viewers with that smoke. I just know the airport be checking through his luggage every time he returns home to see if he brought any MURICAN souvenirs.
We respectfully ask reactors to wait 24 hours before posting reaction to a new song...Because we want it to get all it's veiws ...THANK YOU for doing that💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
I used to do this but tbh it still helps hype for first day release it's social media promo of it's own in a way
@@caratdeul613 most viewers of reaction channels who specifically watch music videos are already fans who just want to see someone's reaction so they've already watched the video and dont need the hype from a reaction channel
This only applies to music videos tho
that's why reactors NOT waiting 24hr to release their reactions does more harm than good
@@TheRita200 exactly, first time reactors almost never react to new music the first time it drops
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The amount of times where I’m streaming during a premiere but the these reactors who can’t wait are the second result sometimes even the first result is annoying
Because accidental clicks happen and that’s 3sec wasted which then adds up a lot since we have a lot of ARMYs
@@TheRita200 ur completely right, we already have a disadvantage because of the industry esp billboard and things like that, but on the bright side its those disadvantages and hardships that make their achievements so much more groundbreaking, meaningful, and special ! I hope reactors can try and understand that we armys are really trying our hardest here...
I will never look at red chopsticks the same way
Fun fact, there's such a thing as dry drowning. It's when after a near drowning when you're back on land, your lungs are so inflamed that you end up asphyxiating even hours later. That's why even if you feel OK after almost drowning you should still go to the hospital
True freedom is not getting arrested/killed/etc. for being "different", in my opinion. True freedom is having the space to speak your mind and follow your own path regardless of surrounding ideologies, culture and government. True freedom is being able to dress how you want, look how you want, do what you want without scrutiny, malice or straight up threats coming your way. True freedom is being able to live how you want in peace. That's not the same as self-indulgence. You may have the resources to buy something everyone will hate you for, a ridiculous outfit or some piece of land, because you have that freedom of choice. But your hands can still be tied, your mouth sealed by someone you cannot even reach. We all belong to a system and that system has immense power over us.
I suppose that self indulgence can also mean that you're a slave of what you're indulgent of.
Well It's taking me awhile to understand the way they say things and feel in Korea is different like how we all have different accents 😊
With the current trend of social media and self indulgence everyone have giving up on thinking whats happening around us....revolution begins with thought.........
The drowning comment killed me 😂😂 but on paper drowning is suffocation by immersion in any liquid. Just so happens that water is the most popular option apparently😂
near drowning...difference between drowning and suffocating is inhaling water into your lungs
This is what I saw in the video, not counting any other theories out there.
I saw a corrupt cop, looks a bit yakuza like, coming at a thief who is doing what he wants to indulge whatever he feels like (even a fish in a water bottle cooler). So who's in the wrong between them? Do they both negate each other's wrongs? (Burning of the money they both wanted) For their own self indulgence, is that freedom that people talk about. Regardless of what you self indulge in, if it infringes on what others call their freedom, there's going to be consequences.
That's just my two cents out there on this one. I see something different every time I watch it though.
this is my phone caller vid ringtone ...such a banger... I can't even answer my phone immediately coz I'll be listening and banging to this song😁
New Red Chopsticks🥢🍜 get ready for another Hit Job! 😯🤭👏🏽🕺🎶🎤👑🥇🏆🌎 #AgustDDDay #Haegeum #HUH
윤기에 대한 관심과 좋은 평가 감사합니다.💜
뮤비 배경은 치외법권 (법보다 힘, 돈이먼저되는사회) 지역인 홍콩의 구룡성체이고、대취타의 연장으로 이 곡도 1인 2역입니다. 해금에서의 일반인인 이상적 자아 슈가와 잠복근무 중인 현실적 자아 경찰을 통해 동일인물의 다른 자아를 표현.
슈가가 2역을 맡은 이유는 그 하나하나도 결국 모두 슈가이기 때문이죠. (큰 맥락에서의 설명은 여기까지만)
해금은 우리 한국의 2천이상 이어온 전통 현악기 중 하나이며 、
취향을 떠나 사람마다 곡 해석이 매우 쉬워 재밌고 그 속에서 심오함을 찾는 즐거움을 누닐수도 있는 반면에 반대로 윤기가 뭔 말을 하는지 도통 이해할 수 없어 아주 어려울 수도 있는 곡 입니다.
금지 된 것으로부터 해방. 🟣🟪
Drowning is sort of a type of suffocation. Suffocation is being deprived of air. Drowning is filling your lungs with water (shrug) XD
I always love your honest opinion. My favorite song is Snooze from new album 💓
To me context is everything. Imo freedom here represents a maturity that the self-indulgence concept lacks straight up. Are you/we mature about our freedoms or are we self-absorbed about them?
The album is FIRE
Thanks for your reaction! I didn't know what Haegeum meant either until I googled it. I hear you say that a lot when you're reacting to BTS music. And you may say that for other artists that you react to however I only watch your BTS reactions. I don't think most of us who aren't Korean understand much of their music that's why there's so many translations/definitions that fans provide for the fandom. I would have liked for you to have googled the definition during the reaction that would have provided us with YOUR interpretation of the meaning of the word and how it relates to the song.
To me what we call self indulgence today is want of that new car, that new watch, that new phone, money, more comfort. Everything for you. But nothing of you own. All of these are what's fed to you and you lap it up like a dog. You live your life earning money just so you could live, you along the way enjoy what's there and are content. You don't look, you have no reason to. And so you don't see.
And to the society, the heart of the system, that is freedom.
To the people with all of their laws, their morals, their etiquette who never look at life and see life, who have begun in the middle, on the top of what is learnt and known and build from there and call it theirs,
to all of them that is life.
And well as we increased in numbers and our community grew that was essential.
Law and morals exist to decrease conflict. Judgement is just what you see.
And we all in all that indulge.
Freedom isn't this though. Freedom is what you make of things, what you create and choose, whether that be from what exists and/or from nothing.
This is quite a zen concept though.
Don't think this would be practical.😂
Not unless you lose your desire to rise above the rest and well that's not going anywhere.
People with these thoughts usually end up at the top of mountains;
Hell, even I keep it suppressed.
I'm kinda impressed by him for saying this in the thick of it.
Man's using his influence well.
Well, it's AGUST D.
Self indulgence ends where it harms others or perhaps even yourself. As expected it’s both a banger, musically so good, and lyrically I’ll be reflecting on this one for a long long time.
That's not drowning, it's waterboarding, topically you wouldn't drown from it. It's a form of torture, typically used as an interrogation technique.
I gave it an 8 too until I heard it in the car.. definitely a replay for me. And a tip tho.. if you don't know what he's saying you can Google it my friend 😂
Haegeum means banned/forbidden. From watching other reactors I found out that in Korea you cannot light a cigarette in a show because it is forbidden. So the line of the song where he is lighting up a smoke makes more sense to me now. Also you cannot kill someone with a gun in a tv show also forbidden. Shows that contain an action that is forbidden will not air on Korean TV.
So when you are singing around the house, just replace haegeum with forbidden :)
Vote for going through the whole album!
pretty sure being held underwater to prevent you from breathing is called waterboarding
6:48 that would be called water boarding my good sir. As an American you should have known that 😂
Naw weatherboarding requires a towel and preferably a prone or inverted position on the recipient. 😂😂😅
the like the meaning of the song/mv, here are some interpretations i saw on twitter:
I think that is interesting that the original agust d became the mad king and the d-2 agust d became a rich looking cop idk if that's his intention but it very much reads as a critique on corruption by money and power. especially as he kills them both at the end
self critique? a critique of the system? both? definitely both. basically saying that with power and money you could always easily become everything you swore to hate at the beginning. also every day you see artists who went from nothing become so unrecognizable once they had a taste of money
you know what i find funny in both daechwita and haegeum? That scarred ass version of Yoongi NEVER fights back. He got shot in both and didn't even try to fight back. It's like he's either aware this is always gonna be his fate or he just wants to disappear.
it also feels like he's very condescending, smirking as he gets shot, almost like he's saying
"i will be back"
like i feel the policeman is truly the king reincarnated, yoongi killed the king, the "proud, boastful, greedy" part of him thinking that was it, but then he just comes back still the same
that's kinda like his inner demons never really leaving and always being in the back of his mind
agustD what an actor😎😎😎
I've listened to it a number of time's already I really like it. Indulgence is fine in moderation however it can become a vice to the detriment of others and yourself as that's when it effects friends, family and the wider society it can becomes selfish greed. Freedom come's with responsibility. I'm free to be indulgent but as I'm a responsible person I should be careful with how indulgent I might become. It's like most things in life it's finding that balance.
well I haven't looked it up, but I would say suffocating is not being able to breath and drowning is breathing in water.. 🤷🏼♀️
need your reaction to the full album immediatelyyy
This album is AMAZING. My favorite tracks are Haegeum, Amygdala, Snooze, and HUH?!
Freedom of speech has a purpose - to invoke change.
Self-indulgence is everyone posting their opinions, out of a sense of self-importance... And calling it freedom of speech. But really, they just like the sound of their own voice.
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Every time yoongi released a song with Lyrics Like that people get mad on Twitter and weel their faves are targeted, like if the shoe fit....Well hello Cinderella 😂
4 me personally, i think if we are free to self indulge, but being overly indulgent, isn't as free as it seems, cuz we r ruled by our desires or emotions-which can damage urself & others...we r free 2 do that, but is it freeing 2 do that? not sayin that is how agust d feels, but that is how i feel about the difference ✌💜🙏
The difference is water.
I agree with Stigma
My initial thoughts. Freedom edges into self-indulgence is when it starts looking more like one of the deadly sins. Gluttony as overindulgence. Envy as indulging in something for bad/negative reasons that will ultimately hurt myself or others. Vanity to the point of extreme self-maintenance or exclusion of other beauties in the world.
Like, don't be held back by what the world might tell you is forbidden, but don't lose yourself and risk doing harm by freely exploring whatever you want. Personally, Agust-D seems to have a better opinion of people than I do. I don't think most people are capable of exercising control if they have the money or influence to do whatever they want. Then again, ARMY tries to make a point of making the world a better place, so maybe Agust-D believes the best in humanity because he sees it in ARMY. But that sounds too self aggrandizing since I consider myself part of ARMY.
If nothing else, the lyrics provoke self reflection.
Each individual has to figure out for themself the difference between fighting for one's/their freedom and them self-indulging, the effects of which might not be obviously visible, but might be harmful to society and the world in general, which includes other people! How I interpret it is in these times of social media, we pretend and sometimes live in the illusion that we are fighting for freedom/some just cause (which might at times hurt/break other people)but in reality forget to realise and understand what our actions stem from, whether they stem from the unselfish need for doing good to society or from our sense of addressing our sense of grandiosity, a form of selfishness or sometimes just the need to release our frustration. This lack of self-reflection/thoughtlessness makes us say and do a lot of "stupid" things as we mistake self-indulgence/selfishness for freedom! That's how at least I (knowing somewhat of the way Suga and other members of BTS think of the world) interpret the phrase! Sorry for this long comment! I hope I made some sense!
In Catholic philosophy, freedom means being able to do what one OUGHT to do (ability to live by your principles) ; but self-indulgence is freedom to do what one WANTS to do, which is just licentiousness (having no principles)
I’ve been waiting for your reaction on this!! 💜
The chopsticks to me symbolize the system (entertainment, capitalism, etc) and in the beginning he wanted to take down the system so he used them to kill that man. But, in the end it’s realized he though he feels the system is wrong and he can criticize it all he wants, it’s still something he’s forced to participate in due to the society he (we all) lives in. And he questions if we are truly free (or ever will be) under the supposed freedom we have
I am glad you said your roadmap is messed up.😅 The first step is admittance