Such an amazing device and layout! Just the thing I've been looking for. It's intuitive to use and so much easier than having to manually map parameters. The way that you can just move a slider and the currently selected parameter is instantly mapped to it is fantastic. Love those instant blue hand controls too. Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful tool! :) ❤❤❤
@@zsteinkamp I just did a reopen so far and it works.. Too tranced out to leave this piece to try 🙂. What is the process for replacing existing mappings in the same project? Or adding another tab of controls (user configured preferably). which is a...
request. I did open two projects and they were opened correctly mapped, but it seems I had to move a fader or two to handshake with Live to actually control my devices.
@@SwamiLove Oh interesting. I wonder if you used a USB connection if that initial lag would be different. Home wifi networks can be unpredictable. github.com/zsteinkamp/m4l-Knobbler4/blob/main/USB.md
@@SwamiLove There are two tabs now. What sort of controls did you have in mind? You can play with the .tosc layout and change the sliders to dials or something, or move things around. As long as the names, events, and scripts are not changed it will work.
Oh yeah I didn't mention that in the video. You can still use your mouse or other means of controlling parameters you've mapped to a Knobbler slider. 👍Thanks!
I don't have a Push3 so I'm not sure, but the little bit of looking that I did about it makes me pessimistic about support at this time. Give it a try if you have one and let me know. The issue that I suspect is that Push3 does not yet support the [udpsend] and [udpreceive] objects in Max, which Knobbler relies on for the OSC communication with the iPad. Confirumation from a Push3 owner would be good though!
Awesome tool ! I`ve used old IOS app called touchable to control ableton simply because it works fine with older ipad ( ios 9.3) . Its offer almost perfect out of the box ableton parameter and devices control , although now it seem categorized as abandonware app . And yours seem perfect tool to replace it . I wanna know if This one need in older version ( MK1) ?
Hey @pieterdesmijter420! Help me understand some details of what you're asking. If you have a MIDI knob assigned to a parameter, turning the hardware knob would update the slider/value on the Bluhand tab if that device was selected, or if you had mapped the parameter to a Knobbler knob on the screen, then it would also update. Is that what you had in mind? It's bi-directional. If the parameter value in Live is updated (no matter how -- MIDI control, mouse control of on-screen knob in Live, automation in Live, etc), then the new value is sent to the iPad.
@@zsteinkampmy bad sorry. I was wondering of it would be possible to run the software on an arduino or any other hardware and have a display above each physical knob to show parameter name etc. That would be really awesome 😀
@@pieterdesmijter420 Ahh yes ... I have thought about dedicated hardware as well. Since it uses the OSC protocol and it is documented in the GitHub repo [1], it is possible for anyone to make it. My plan is to first develop a dedicated iOS app, eliminating TouchOSC, then perhaps the next phase is a piece of hardware. We shall see! [1] github.com/zsteinkamp/m4l-Knobbler4/blob/main/OSC-API.md
Usually this is due to TouchOSC on the iPad not having the correct connection info for the computer running ableton in its OSC connection settings. Add Knobbler to your live set, then go to the TouchOSC connection settings (chain icon in the toolbar), to the OSC tab, then click "Browse" next to the Host field. Your computer should show up in the list. Choose the IPv4 address (192.168....) and it should work. If that doesn't work, try entering your computer's IP address in the host field. Make sure the Send port is set to 2346. If none of that works, send me an email and we can look into it. Screenshots showing the Knobbler device, the connection settings in TouchOSC on the iPad, and screenshots showing the network settings showing the IP address on both the computer and iPad would help. zack@steinkamp.us
awesome, zack! do you know whether lemur-style physical-modelled sliders and XY pads are possible with touchosc? would be an incredible addition to your template. here's an example: ruclips.net/video/hbyL7FtmW7s/видео.html
thanks :) Not 100% sure, but I'd guess perhaps you could code something in TouchOSC's scripting language to simulate the moving balls. It's possible to move the balls via OSC commands, but that would be slow and unreliable. XY pads are part of the normal TouchOSC kit. It would be possible to construct a layout of XY pads, with each axis of each pad mapped to a parameter. You would need some dedicated way to trigger the param-to-axis mapping though, since touching an XY is ambiguous about what axis you're interested in mapping. If you dig into this, let me know what you come up with! zack@steinkamp.us
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Such an amazing device and layout! Just the thing I've been looking for. It's intuitive to use and so much easier than having to manually map parameters. The way that you can just move a slider and the currently selected parameter is instantly mapped to it is fantastic. Love those instant blue hand controls too. Thank you so much for sharing this wonderful tool! :) ❤❤❤
Thanks Andrew! Happy to hear your feedback or ideas to improve it. :)
you are such a freaking rockstar!
lol 🎸
this is so insanely cool!! thank you for making and releasing this!
Glad to share! Let me know how it's working for you.
oh wow, this is amazing man. thank you very much!
Thanks! LMK how it works for you or ideas you have to make it better :)
hell yeah
What a gift! Thank you. Got it set up and working. Away from Mac. If I close and reopen a project with it, will it remap correctly on touchosc?
Yes indeed! That was one of the primary design goals. Switching projects should be 100% seamless. Let me know how it works for you once you try it.
@@zsteinkamp I just did a reopen so far and it works.. Too tranced out to leave this piece to try 🙂. What is the process for replacing existing mappings in the same project? Or adding another tab of controls (user configured preferably). which is a...
request. I did open two projects and they were opened correctly mapped, but it seems I had to move a fader or two to handshake with Live to actually control my devices.
@@SwamiLove Oh interesting. I wonder if you used a USB connection if that initial lag would be different. Home wifi networks can be unpredictable. github.com/zsteinkamp/m4l-Knobbler4/blob/main/USB.md
@@SwamiLove There are two tabs now. What sort of controls did you have in mind? You can play with the .tosc layout and change the sliders to dials or something, or move things around. As long as the names, events, and scripts are not changed it will work.
For me, this is better than the Performance Pack. It doesn't lock the parameter to the mapped control like macro mapping does. Thanks
Oh yeah I didn't mention that in the video. You can still use your mouse or other means of controlling parameters you've mapped to a Knobbler slider. 👍Thanks!
this is awesome Zack. Amazing work. Does it work with Push standalone?
I don't have a Push3 so I'm not sure, but the little bit of looking that I did about it makes me pessimistic about support at this time. Give it a try if you have one and let me know. The issue that I suspect is that Push3 does not yet support the [udpsend] and [udpreceive] objects in Max, which Knobbler relies on for the OSC communication with the iPad. Confirumation from a Push3 owner would be good though!
Awesome tool ! I`ve used old IOS app called touchable to control ableton simply because it works fine with older ipad ( ios 9.3) . Its offer almost perfect out of the box ableton parameter and devices control , although now it seem categorized as abandonware app . And yours seem perfect tool to replace it .
I wanna know if This one need in older version ( MK1) ?
Hi @morizanova! It uses the newest version of TouchOSC.
Stupid question probably but it is possible to control the iPad sliders with a hardware button? Thx
Hey @pieterdesmijter420! Help me understand some details of what you're asking. If you have a MIDI knob assigned to a parameter, turning the hardware knob would update the slider/value on the Bluhand tab if that device was selected, or if you had mapped the parameter to a Knobbler knob on the screen, then it would also update.
Is that what you had in mind? It's bi-directional. If the parameter value in Live is updated (no matter how -- MIDI control, mouse control of on-screen knob in Live, automation in Live, etc), then the new value is sent to the iPad.
@@zsteinkampmy bad sorry. I was wondering of it would be possible to run the software on an arduino or any other hardware and have a display above each physical knob to show parameter name etc. That would be really awesome 😀
@@pieterdesmijter420 Ahh yes ... I have thought about dedicated hardware as well. Since it uses the OSC protocol and it is documented in the GitHub repo [1], it is possible for anyone to make it. My plan is to first develop a dedicated iOS app, eliminating TouchOSC, then perhaps the next phase is a piece of hardware. We shall see!
[1] github.com/zsteinkamp/m4l-Knobbler4/blob/main/OSC-API.md
@@zsteinkamp hmm I might have a go with one knob to see if I can get it to work 😀
@@pieterdesmijter420 Happy to hear about what you do! zack@steinkamp.us is my email.
so I have a problem. Ableton can control my ipad but my ipad can't controle ableton. I don't know why. Do you have any idea ?
Usually this is due to TouchOSC on the iPad not having the correct connection info for the computer running ableton in its OSC connection settings.
Add Knobbler to your live set, then go to the TouchOSC connection settings (chain icon in the toolbar), to the OSC tab, then click "Browse" next to the Host field. Your computer should show up in the list. Choose the IPv4 address (192.168....) and it should work.
If that doesn't work, try entering your computer's IP address in the host field. Make sure the Send port is set to 2346.
If none of that works, send me an email and we can look into it. Screenshots showing the Knobbler device, the connection settings in TouchOSC on the iPad, and screenshots showing the network settings showing the IP address on both the computer and iPad would help. zack@steinkamp.us
awesome, zack! do you know whether lemur-style physical-modelled sliders and XY pads are possible with touchosc? would be an incredible addition to your template. here's an example: ruclips.net/video/hbyL7FtmW7s/видео.html
thanks :) Not 100% sure, but I'd guess perhaps you could code something in TouchOSC's scripting language to simulate the moving balls. It's possible to move the balls via OSC commands, but that would be slow and unreliable. XY pads are part of the normal TouchOSC kit. It would be possible to construct a layout of XY pads, with each axis of each pad mapped to a parameter. You would need some dedicated way to trigger the param-to-axis mapping though, since touching an XY is ambiguous about what axis you're interested in mapping. If you dig into this, let me know what you come up with! zack@steinkamp.us