Most monitoring headphones like the DT990 PRO and the likes, you have frequency responses that can go up to 5Hz, my question is: is this a good way of knowing when to low cut, or it's too responsive and might make you cut too much ?
Recording an academic presentation from the back of a meeting room, all hard surfaces. Will have an audience of about 30 -40 people. Overhead HVAC . Speaker will speak through a lavaliere through the room’s ceiling speakers. I have one shotgun mic. I am thinking I should flip to the low cut pass. Hrz are not marked, only have the straight line and the bent line options. Recording will be viewed by people who could not attend the meeting.
Wondering if a low cut filter would help when recording a podcast outdoors with two people walking side by side. No instruments. Just spoken word vocals. Hardware: Zoom F3 field recorder (w/32-bit float) and two XLR Shure MX183 omni lavs (w/optional interchangeable 185 cardioid capsules). Terrific video, btw. Masterclass stuff. Thanks for taking the time.
Thanks for the great tutorial. I am an aviation videographer and always discover that inflight sounds of take off and reverse thrust landings, which are quite loud in reality are cut rather quiet on my videos. Is that due to Low-Cut filters set ? I can not try that out, because there is only one try, when flying.
When it comes to HPFs it seems to be pretty straightforward when you can hear the subs properly, but what about low shelf cuts? What are they used mostly on?
I use LPF to hear somethin in low end. I set LPF on 10-20hz depends on eq and increase freq range and listen on headphones (with very good low end!) to hear where some low end content I start to hear. Most of the time definitely I hear everything on 100hz. 80hz too. most of the tracks have some sounds on 50-60 too. But almost nothing exist below 50-40 on most tracks except bass/kick/low notes instruments or drums tracks. So I would say that octave below lowest hearable or playing note in the track will be ok. So if bass player play low B which is about 30hz I HPF on 15hz and so on. So it's more 10-40/50hz on every track than 60-80-100hz. Also I noticed that LSF is less invasive on sound so sometimes small cut with LSF can decrease low end but not cut off completely making problems with phase and peaking.
I have been wondering about using targeted low and high cuts in a live mix situation to reduce stagewash in the mics. I am a proponent of using the eq to see frequencies not being produced by any mic'd instrument and cutting the lows and highs accordingly, so I only get the frequencies I want instead of getting the cymbal wash in my vocals.
Very informative…thank you. A little confused….. low pass filter let through the low end? High pass filter lets through the high end…. Is that correct?
Yes, low pass filters let the low end pass through undisturbed. Low cut filters cut low end. High pass filters let the high end pass through. High cut filters cut the high end. So it’s a little funny: a high pass filter is a low cut filter, and a low pass filter is a high cut filter. Both pairs are different names for the same thing. Confusing at first. But once you wrap your head around it it makes sense!
Great video. I came looking for some insight as if I needed to use this tool for a short film that I'll work in a few weeks; but I learned a lot more. I will definetily try to boost the low cut up to 160hz while recording a violin, maybe to focalize and separate it from the background (it will be recorded at the street).
Hey man helpful video. I've got a really monotone/baritone voice. There's a roll off on my mic which I never even considered using until I got mic envy and was looking at getting an AT4070 then I see the 80hz roll off being a lauded feature. Well my mic has it. Should I use it for vocals? My style is similar to rap and I'm aware that too much bass causes mud. I want just enough bass not too much. What say you?
It really depends. You'll just have to hear it and decide! 80Hz can be a little high for a low rolloff on male voice in a spoken word context or in a sparse mix. But in a very dense mix, it could be appropriate. I'd recommend experimenting with it and with digital filters that you can use after recording and see what works for you. The one danger or using the rolloff on the mic instead of as a plugin is you can't undo it very easily if you do it at the mic. One big benefit of having it on the mic is for live sound situations in which the console may not have great rolloff options and you really need to reduce unneeded rumble. Hope that helps, Justin
@@SonicScoop This makes sense! I never use it on my mic (instinctively). I also agree it's better to cut later than not have it and try to simulate it. Thank you SS I'm subbing now!
Nope, because if you have too much low end, and you record using even light compressing, the low end triggers the compressor, and it pulls the vocal level down, ruining the vocal. You cannot fix that later. With a vocal, i would low cut everything at least under around 100 hz, before recording. Then later, i can do what i want with the vocal. At least im getting a good take.
I am in for a pair of barefoots 01 this month, that go down 36hz.....very expensive shipping/tax. But you know what? I do the guessing game and learning speaker game on my focal solo 6be's and I hate that. I want to mix what I hear in total agreement with you. All this with Sonarworks in a treated room ans l'm good to go. Thanks for this👍
So, if you are recording a live performance in a small pub with one mic what are some good rules for low cut filters and levels for that kind of scenario where you have very little control over the nuances?
I agree in mostly all that you explain using HPF, at the end it is the best tool to use when the time and the context calls for it, but as a mastering engineer we cant forget the tradeoffs that HPF create when using them, the first thing that comes is phase shift, specially if the filter is a linear phase filter, in the case of an organ recording you might consider using a HPF because church organs have more low end than any HIP HOP genre out there, so getting rid of some of the deep 20s and 40hz will improve in that case the sound, but again what are the artifacts of using a HPF ? distorion, and your peak levels will rise above +3.0db due to the shift in energy, so make sure to ancticipate leaving some margin at the top, our roll as mastering engineers is not to generate fear about HPF, it is more on explaining what happens when we use the tools that we use and what are the tradeofs, and how to manage the artifact.
Hi Justin, please answer me one question!! Why does every track that i download from RUclips has the high frequencies chopped off? I tried to clipping and limiting hard, but I can't get the same high frequency chopped of? Why is that so
Without room treatment. How much do you think Sonarworks would help? 50% 90% Would really love to know. I know there will still be some phase issues. And the reflection cone filtering,it seems like it would help alot.
all good for mix time and if separate channels for stuff, but what about low cut during video recording. Specifically, i record my band's gigs on a Zoom Q2n. Just using the in cam mic, should I use no cut, 80, 120 or 160? And, if I low cut e.g. 80 and a bass guitar low E is 40, am I correct to assume that low cut doesn't cut ALL the 80hz...just attenuates it...right?
Sir i am recording the Audio of my motorcycle exhaust at 120hz. Is it advisable to set it to 120hz? I think im losing the crispiness of the exhaust sound because of it
They should be fairly flat down to about 43 Hz I believe, which includes some of the subs, though not all. How much of that you can hear cleanly will depend in part on your room. Hope that helps! -Justin
Cutting the low-end could be more of a psychological effect. Low-end, like rap may not be good for people who like rock which is why rock got so popular? Maybe it just had something to do with the vinyl records being very bad played back if the cuts didn't happen. The people who don't know the difference too much as all that stuff got fixed with digital and better audio equipment, it probably doesn't matter. Imo, cutting the low is worse but my personality is kind of more attitude and I like drama/action. Some people are the opposite so perhaps cutting the low-end out can make the song/sound/voice resonate better with their soul as that is the whole point of listening to music for some anyway otherwise they will do somehting else than buying that record and making it go viral as they want their friends to listen to it, to buy it, to monetize the record label, the studio etc.
Thank you. I'm saving for monitors and can't afford much so I will probably have to make do with the Kali cheap ones. My headphones go down to 30Hz quite well but as an older guy, my ears fail at 12.5kHz. Sad. Anyway, low cut or high pass? Let's start a holy war! 😃 Just kidding.
@Gerhard Schöner Thanks. I prefer low cut also. We talk about the cut-off frequency, not the pass-on frequency. The analogue circuit designers probably thought about high pass as it describes the characteristics of the signal path.
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This is one of the best and most comprehensive explanations of this subject I have seen on youtube - thanks!
I rarely find a video that just answeres ALL of my questions. This is one.
I have some pro mixing experience but this is one area I just didn't have good information. Thanks for helping to get me started on this subject!
So glad to be useful!
-Justin
i finally understand the basic of low cut!
Great video , very helpful
Most monitoring headphones like the DT990 PRO and the likes, you have frequency responses that can go up to 5Hz, my question is: is this a good way of knowing when to low cut, or it's too responsive and might make you cut too much ?
Recording an academic presentation from the back of a meeting room, all hard surfaces. Will have an audience of about 30 -40 people. Overhead HVAC . Speaker will speak through a lavaliere through the room’s ceiling speakers. I have one shotgun mic. I am thinking I should flip to the low cut pass. Hrz are not marked, only have the straight line and the bent line options. Recording will be viewed by people who could not attend the meeting.
Thanks for the info and taking your time out of your day to do this.
Thanks for taking time out of your day to listen :-)
Very best,
Justin
Wondering if a low cut filter would help when recording a podcast outdoors with two people walking side by side. No instruments. Just spoken word vocals. Hardware: Zoom F3 field recorder (w/32-bit float) and two XLR Shure MX183 omni lavs (w/optional interchangeable 185 cardioid capsules). Terrific video, btw. Masterclass stuff. Thanks for taking the time.
I appreciate your assistance and acknowledge thank you.
Thanks for the great tutorial. I am an aviation videographer and always discover that inflight sounds of take off and reverse thrust landings, which are quite loud in reality are cut rather quiet on my videos. Is that due to Low-Cut filters set ? I can not try that out, because there is only one try, when flying.
Great advice. Very good practice
Superb, thank you Justin.
I really appreciate your time and efforts this makes sense thank you
When it comes to HPFs it seems to be pretty straightforward when you can hear the subs properly, but what about low shelf cuts? What are they used mostly on?
Awesome! Was literally wondering about this the other day! Always appreciate your take on concepts like this.
I'm a hard sell when it comes to "likes", so when you asked me to tap the like button instead of smashing the like button, I humbly obliged.
I use LPF to hear somethin in low end. I set LPF on 10-20hz depends on eq and increase freq range and listen on headphones (with very good low end!) to hear where some low end content I start to hear. Most of the time definitely I hear everything on 100hz. 80hz too. most of the tracks have some sounds on 50-60 too. But almost nothing exist below 50-40 on most tracks except bass/kick/low notes instruments or drums tracks. So I would say that octave below lowest hearable or playing note in the track will be ok. So if bass player play low B which is about 30hz I HPF on 15hz and so on. So it's more 10-40/50hz on every track than 60-80-100hz. Also I noticed that LSF is less invasive on sound so sometimes small cut with LSF can decrease low end but not cut off completely making problems with phase and peaking.
I have been wondering about using targeted low and high cuts in a live mix situation to reduce stagewash in the mics. I am a proponent of using the eq to see frequencies not being produced by any mic'd instrument and cutting the lows and highs accordingly, so I only get the frequencies I want instead of getting the cymbal wash in my vocals.
Love the show. But I feel like phase should be addressed (or at least mentioned) when discussing filters
Very informative…thank you.
A little confused….. low pass filter let through the low end?
High pass filter lets through the high end…. Is that correct?
Yes, low pass filters let the low end pass through undisturbed.
Low cut filters cut low end.
High pass filters let the high end pass through.
High cut filters cut the high end.
So it’s a little funny: a high pass filter is a low cut filter, and a low pass filter is a high cut filter.
Both pairs are different names for the same thing.
Confusing at first. But once you wrap your head around it it makes sense!
Great video. I came looking for some insight as if I needed to use this tool for a short film that I'll work in a few weeks; but I learned a lot more. I will definetily try to boost the low cut up to 160hz while recording a violin, maybe to focalize and separate it from the background (it will be recorded at the street).
Hey man helpful video. I've got a really monotone/baritone voice. There's a roll off on my mic which I never even considered using until I got mic envy and was looking at getting an AT4070 then I see the 80hz roll off being a lauded feature. Well my mic has it. Should I use it for vocals? My style is similar to rap and I'm aware that too much bass causes mud. I want just enough bass not too much. What say you?
I can trust my room I've got a decent home studio and a treated room. I just wondered theoretically...
It really depends. You'll just have to hear it and decide! 80Hz can be a little high for a low rolloff on male voice in a spoken word context or in a sparse mix. But in a very dense mix, it could be appropriate.
I'd recommend experimenting with it and with digital filters that you can use after recording and see what works for you.
The one danger or using the rolloff on the mic instead of as a plugin is you can't undo it very easily if you do it at the mic.
One big benefit of having it on the mic is for live sound situations in which the console may not have great rolloff options and you really need to reduce unneeded rumble.
Hope that helps,
Justin
@@SonicScoop This makes sense! I never use it on my mic (instinctively). I also agree it's better to cut later than not have it and try to simulate it. Thank you SS I'm subbing now!
Whaaaaat, thanks.
Isn’t it better to low-cut a track via the EQ in post as opposed to flicking a switch on a mic that you may regret doing later?
Nope, because if you have too much low end, and you record using even light compressing, the low end triggers the compressor, and it pulls the vocal level down, ruining the vocal. You cannot fix that later.
With a vocal, i would low cut everything at least under around 100 hz, before recording. Then later, i can do what i want with the vocal. At least im getting a good take.
Shpilkes and Murk - weren't they a Catskills comedy team in the 50's? ;)
Thanks Justin - as always, a very useful video!
I am in for a pair of barefoots 01 this month, that go down 36hz.....very expensive shipping/tax. But you know what? I do the guessing game and learning speaker game on my focal solo 6be's and I hate that. I want to mix what I hear in total agreement with you. All this with Sonarworks in a treated room ans l'm good to go. Thanks for this👍
I can hear 20hz in my JBL earphones should I mix and master with them
Telling it like it is!
I just use an average sub woofer. I got it on line for $15. Hey, I'm proud of it. I choose to use that.
So, if you are recording a live performance in a small pub with one mic what are some good rules for low cut filters and levels for that kind of scenario where you have very little control over the nuances?
Great question. Exactly what I need to know too.
You ‘da man!
I agree in mostly all that you explain using HPF, at the end it is the best tool to use when the time and the context calls for it, but as a mastering engineer we cant forget the tradeoffs that HPF create when using them, the first thing that comes is phase shift, specially if the filter is a linear phase filter, in the case of an organ recording you might consider using a HPF because church organs have more low end than any HIP HOP genre out there, so getting rid of some of the deep 20s and 40hz will improve in that case the sound, but again what are the artifacts of using a HPF ? distorion, and your peak levels will rise above +3.0db due to the shift in energy, so make sure to ancticipate leaving some margin at the top, our roll as mastering engineers is not to generate fear about HPF, it is more on explaining what happens when we use the tools that we use and what are the tradeofs, and how to manage the artifact.
Justin, - off-topic - is this room you film your videos in your actual work-space, or is this just a 'set' for RUclips? Thank you.
This is where I do all my mastering and office work too. I'm typing this to you right now from the very same chair! -Justin
can it reduce machine hum from self noise
感谢 明白了
Hi Justin, please answer me one question!! Why does every track that i download from RUclips has the high frequencies chopped off? I tried to clipping and limiting hard, but I can't get the same high frequency chopped of? Why is that so
Without room treatment. How much do you think Sonarworks would help? 50% 90% Would really love to know. I know there will still be some phase issues. And the reflection cone filtering,it seems like it would help alot.
it helps a lot, without it i barely hear some low frequencies, so it prevents me of over boosting them. Also, a reference track helps too
It's helps. Those phase issues are not too much of a concern for me.
all good for mix time and if separate channels for stuff, but what about low cut during video recording. Specifically, i record my band's gigs on a Zoom Q2n. Just using the in cam mic, should I use no cut, 80, 120 or 160? And, if I low cut e.g. 80 and a bass guitar low E is 40, am I correct to assume that low cut doesn't cut ALL the 80hz...just attenuates it...right?
I would like to know this too
Sir i am recording the Audio of my motorcycle exhaust at 120hz. Is it advisable to set it to 120hz? I think im losing the crispiness of the exhaust sound because of it
can the sub frequencies be heard on KRK Rokit RP5 G4's?
They should be fairly flat down to about 43 Hz I believe, which includes some of the subs, though not all. How much of that you can hear cleanly will depend in part on your room. Hope that helps!
-Justin
@@SonicScoop thank you! Very helpful
Mas sobre información hig cut low cut
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You kinda look like Superman lol😆
Cool video!
Hey how much to post my music on your account? I'm an engineer as well and artist
Sorry, we don’t really do that kind of thing.
Cutting the low-end could be more of a psychological effect. Low-end, like rap may not be good for people who like rock which is why rock got so popular? Maybe it just had something to do with the vinyl records being very bad played back if the cuts didn't happen. The people who don't know the difference too much as all that stuff got fixed with digital and better audio equipment, it probably doesn't matter. Imo, cutting the low is worse but my personality is kind of more attitude and I like drama/action. Some people are the opposite so perhaps cutting the low-end out can make the song/sound/voice resonate better with their soul as that is the whole point of listening to music for some anyway otherwise they will do somehting else than buying that record and making it go viral as they want their friends to listen to it, to buy it, to monetize the record label, the studio etc.
Thank you. I'm saving for monitors and can't afford much so I will probably have to make do with the Kali cheap ones. My headphones go down to 30Hz quite well but as an older guy, my ears fail at 12.5kHz. Sad. Anyway, low cut or high pass? Let's start a holy war! 😃 Just kidding.
@Gerhard Schöner Thanks. I prefer low cut also. We talk about the cut-off frequency, not the pass-on frequency. The analogue circuit designers probably thought about high pass as it describes the characteristics of the signal path.
This is basically right. "High pass" makes sense from a passive analog circuitry perspective. "Low cut" makes sense from an end-user perspective.
5:44 i literally said 60hz right here...
if you're not having clogged ears ;)
I love my NS-10Ms but without a sub I'd be fucked.
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Dude your explanation is good but you're not even into the content at the 2 minute mark. Lost me.