Bad advice. SSDs are not a good for data archival, at all. If any kind of flash storage is powered off for an extended time, the data will start to rot. The best consumer archival media is M-Disc. The data is etched into what is essentially a stone layer, with an estimated longevity of 1000 years. The discs are hardened compared to regular DVD-R. They are impervious to magnetic fields. They are impervious to liquids. They are impervious to power leakage. Blu-ray M-Discs are available in sizes of 25GB, 50GB, and 100GB. Sony also make a similar product which stores 128GB. I recommend using the 25GB discs, because spreading the data among multiple separate discs gives even more redundancy.
well dude i haev been doing this for many years and never once had a problem explain that if you can and i know you cant so please keep your comment to your self unless you can back up what you say i have been doing this for years and never a problem and i have used cheap SSDs and mildly expensive ones and to date not one problem where you get problemss its making a copy of a copy of a copy etc. so i make 1 copys which is the new master and copy from it to other drives and pefect no hassels.. dont believe all the BS you read or hear about excpeciallty from the young know it alls out there and there are alot of them that think because they read something that its fact and its not always true do your own tests your self thats how you get the right answers
@@KevinMillard68 I am a senior computer scientist, and I work on one of the most famous and sophisticated software applications on the planet. We had to work with Apple to do experiments with next-gen hardware to determine data rot on their SSDs. It isn't great. Just last year, while working with AMD on their top-spec $10,000 Threadripper workstation, the SSD suffered 30% health degradation in just a few weeks, due to benchmarking. Flash-based storage stores data by a charge, and that charge will leak over time, especially with temperature variations. This isn't speculation, this is physics.
I am with you on that. They are Ok to use for one of the copies but I would never ever entrust my only copy to one. I like hard drives just because they can last a long time if you are gentle with them. I have copies of my critical files and documents on thumb drives but that is not my only backup copy. These would be things I scanned to keep a digital backup copy of just in case something happens to the paper copies. I find that the TIFF format works really well for 600 DPI black and white. Best of all TIFF is lossless so there are no artifacts like with JPEG and the file size is not insane like BMP can be. Depending on how many documents you needed to scan a scanner with an automatic feeder and duplex mode is a great choice. I got mine used for $50 from eBay and it was $300 or more new.
@@charleshines5700 I have the following system: A NAS with RAID mirrors, which does automatic off-site backup. Then I write at least two Sony Archival discs. One on-site in a fireproof box, and the other off-site. A good option is to store one copy in a safety deposit box at a bank. The major advantage is that these discs are moisture proof, immune to electromagnetic fields, immune to mechanical failure, and unlike any kind of flash storage, they do not need to be powered on to prevent charge leakage. This is "cold storage" and is by far the best bang-for-the-buck.
@@KevinMillard68 Your anecdotal "evidence" and opinion do not trump physics. "Retention errors, caused by charge leakage over time, are the dominant source of flash memory errors." users.ece.cmu.edu/~omutlu/pub/flash-memory-data-retention_hpca15.pdf
The problem with SSDs is that they are not very good for long term storage. It's fast, small, silent, consumes less, and doesn't care much about shocks, but they leak electrons over time, that is just the drawback of the technology, so files may get corrupted. If you're thinking on storing something for many years HDDs are actually better provided that you leave it installed in a server, and don't move it, don't shock it... Doesn't have to be an expensive server, you can use an old PC full of HDDs. Also HDDs are way cheaper then SSDs, so you can get 2 of the same capacity, and store the same data on 2 or more, so if you loose 1 drive, you still have the data on the other. I have a nearly 20 year old PC with 4 HDDs in it, and storing everything on at least 2 HDDs, It's running Ubuntu server (free and open source command line only Linux operating system), and it's on a a safe place connected to the local network, I pretty much just push the power button, wait 2 minutes, and access the data over the network, no display, mouse or keyboard required. Now I'm about to re-purpose a 15-16 year old PC with 2x4TB HDDs for long term storage, and an SSD for the operating system. This time I'm gonna put Ubuntu desktop (same as the other but with graphical user interphase) on it, because it has an overclocked I7 processor, and 16 GB of RAM, and I'm upgrading it with a new 90% efficient power supply for reliability, so it's will also be my secondary workstation (with display mouse and keyboard of course) just in case my new Ryzen 5 laptop bites the dust. That being said, Ubuntu is my choice, since I'm a Linux only user since 2011, and I'm fine with using terminal when I need to. I know not everyone is into Linux, but Windows would also work fine for that, although you may not be able to still run up to date windows on close to 20 years old hardware as I do with Linux, so you would probably need newer hardware, even 10 years old would be a stretch for modern windows. Not Sure about Mac, cause I only briefly worked on a macbook at one of the companies I worked for, and I know that they keep tight control over their user's hardware and software(which is a nightmare for someone used to the freedom of Linux), but I also know that many of the Linux commands work on Mac as well.
i have never had problems for long term storage on SSDs Hardrive can fail much faster with age in fact i had more then one fail after less then 1 year quality problem perhams how ever they are old school and slow as heck and they are not as relailable i have founf over ssds the trick to long term on sd is the write cycles this is why i have a serperat data drive where most of my program run from as a read only setup and my main drive is read and write and i have had them last for years of usage with no ill effects at all the trick to ssds is quailty made drives like crucial and kingston and WD this are my top 3 brands i use i how ever am experimenting with a few off brands as well just to see, how ever i wont even give you a nickel for samsung and most of the chinese off brands i have alreadty see higher failer rates with them also and SSD can handel being droped HDDS can not and in over 99% of drops with HDDS they fail also the external HDDS the cables that connect to the drives are very unreliable and fail also the same can be said about of the of the Sata ssd enclosers they fail but the SSD does not. USB sticks are a slower version of SSD flash drives if you will same tech but slower then an SSD Drive that runs your system ihave many of them that have had data on them for years now and not one problem these of course again what out for the cheap ones as they tend to be junk so thats where brands like kingston san disk phillips to name a few are pefect for long term sticks made by vitial well they are a crap shoot to even get a good one more problems then not with them.. there is alot of information and ideas out there that people seem to have but what they lack is the experence in day to day testing and use they make judments that they should not if one brand fails they look at the entire line not always fair how ever thats how they do it, one of the most pushed drives out there is samsung a compnay that has very little experience in the computer world compared to the big boys that have been around sence the stone age. samsung is like sony over price and burn out fast, sony use to be be about quaility products now they are not no one wants there junk any more because they are not junk and fail alot wether its a monitor or a ssd drive etc even for ram they dont make very good realiable ram either tho so far any systems ihave boght that came with it never failed on my because i tend to rip the stuff out and replace it with ram thats good and performs properly so for me that is why i have never seen their ram fail. acasis thunder bolt enclousers are for upto 2 tb and cost 200.00 cnd and are not what i would call fast for thunderbolt so i went with a chance on Indmem thunderbolt cases for 129.99 and can read and write 4tb and i get consistan read writes of over 2750 MBS which for extenral is pretty impressive over the acasis and of course we have the sabrent cases that for thunderbolt they suck and are slow as heck .. as for your server comment that does not apply at all in realialty because people that buy computers dont buy servers.. and i will say this as wel servers are running 24/7 and there for are subject to have drives failier alot and tend to also be setup as raids and more and more have been switching over to SSD over the years because they are better and faster then HDDS and more cost effective and take up far less space as well. building and 1 or 2 desktop server is not a server you need to take a look at company servers which are huge and take up alot of space etc.. i can keep going here but will stop here for now,,
@@KevinMillard68 Well on my experience with HDD failure is different, I only ever had 2 failed, true I rarely move them, or the PC I use as my personal "server". Mine isn't always on, only when I need it (because it's old, consumes a lot, and makes a lot of noise in my room) and I'm using SMART features to avoid excessive wear of the drive. So of the 12 HDDs I ever own, 1 failed (500GB 2.5" fujitsu failed after 3 years of use in my laptop that I carried to university...), and 1 got replaced, because it was very old with very low capacity (it was actually a Seagate 3GB drive in my nearly 20 years old machine, that still works, it just isn't useful anymore). I only ever owned 5 SSDs (1 of them is intel nvme that came with my new laptop, 4 SATA, none failed yet), however I had several thumb drives, and SD cards failed (far more then HDDs, so I don't even kept count. Most of them whatever brand, I used to buy 1 of the failed ones was a 32GB USB3.0 Philips.) The other HDD that I've seen failed, was a 2.5" 500GB Seagate in my my friend's laptop. I have no idea how it was treated, I suspect not so well, it just failed while I was using it. I didn't do basically anything to it, it was just spinning in the laptop on the desk, and started making noises on it's own, after which the laptop froze and failed to reboot. Regarding brands, I used to buy whatever I found for cheap, now I tend to buy WD, Seagate or Toshiba for HDDs, and Kingstone, Crucial, Corsair or Adata and SP for RAM, SSDs, thumb drives, and SD cards. That being said I can only speak of drives I own, not of drives/SSDs I installed for others. I just don't have enough data on those. I also had data corruption over time on solid state media once without any interaction for years, and of course countless times on USB devices and SD cards (which is why I don't use removable devices for long term storage.)
to each their own i always say how ever the way CDs are made 1 scratch on the label on the disk and your screwed not to mention the lack of data space as well
@@KevinMillard68 Kevin, educate yourself before giving an opinion. M-Discs are specially designed for long-term storage (1000+ years) with rock-like layer. It has nothing to do with the normal CD's (but it's compatible with practically any blu-ray reader) Also M-Disс's range from 25 to 100gb in size. No matter how hard you try to scratch it or expose it to the sun, you'll never damage the data - that's the point. SSD WILL lose the data in 2-5 years without powering up, because of the way it's designed.
multiple backups across variios different media is best and one copy off site , keep the data by moving it to whatever new media comes out is pretty easy with digital so do that. looking back over time you will see that a big problem is not necessarily loss of data but accessing it, how many of us have access to a cineprojector or a vhs or even a dvd player these days, same will be true of hdd soon enough. imagine inn a 100 years someone looking at any of this stuff would just have no idea that is has data on it let alone reading it. A photo on paper etc will still be recognisable though....
Best advice appears to be buying extra drives that will read the data and hope they'll still be useable in the future - and storing data on more than one medium,
Sometimes a hard drive on USB can tick even if it is just a bad cable or weak power too. I have had it happen but used a different cable and the problem went away. You can try electrical contact cleaner and that may help too. It comes in a multitude of brands most of which I have not tried. I have an aerosol can of CRC contact cleaner and it worked for a scanner that was not showing up. A very quick short shot on the USB cable end and the USB socket of the scanner. It worked. This one has the Micro B (not the similar but slightly larger mini B) which annoys me a little. It annoys me because I often find it on devices where space for a regular B socket is not an issue and they used Micro B instead. Probably for cost saving and probably so it doesn't last as long and that is because Micro B is more fragile. Plugging Micro B in doesn't bother me but I can see it annoying other people with bad eye sight who can't see small things well.
If the 1 terrabyte discs come out in 2024 (which i think we will see considering HDDs are now uo to 22 TB) then my personal top 3 methods for cold storage would be: 1) 1 terrabyte discs 2) HDD 3) LTO Dvd is good however if the 1 terrabyte discs really are $5 per disc and gets down to $1 per disc like they say you might as well just get that.
@rzor1911 m disc is good however it's no longer in production, and I'm not sure how many times you can write and rewrite data onto discs before they give out.
Most modern Type-C host ports should be able to negotiate 5v 1.5/3A. I have a handful of m.2 thumbdrive enclosures and one type-c enclosure on a short cable like yours, all with Ventoy on them. I never leave home without one!
if that were true we would not need power hubs at all when in fact we do on all moderen laptops and on any desk tops that are the mac min and alike on the windows world we also need powered hubs, desktop pcs and the mac pro towers we have way to many usb ports so we never need a hub how ever in all the testing i have done all new version type A and type c and thunderbolt port all only seem to supply 900 mah only on older type A we get 500 mah now all these ports types do put out 5V but now all devices use 5 volts in fact view do at all. most SSD drives including nvme SSDs use 2 to 3.3 volts but want 1 amp to near 3 amps but these amperages only seem to be available on internal slots on mother boards only but not on external ports, I have dont alot of experiements and test and these are the results i have found and many others found the same thing, what they should be able to do and auctually do seem to be 2 different things
Well Apples prices are ridiculous and some of their computers can't be upgraded easily if at all. Either it is soldered to the motherboard and you are stuck with it for life or it is a Mac Studio with slots that are useless for swapping drives anyhow!
I really want to back up my files in the long run so I consider buying external SSD's, but for whatever reason most people advise against them. I don't get it. Other than Cloud Storage, which is way too expensive, external SSD's seem to be the best solution here. They seem more reliable and practical than external HDD's, yet many recommend the latter. Do portable SSD's last around 3-5 years? Even if left unplugged? If so, I declare myself satisfied.
i have been usiung external SSDs for a number of years now and never a problem i tried HDD externals and they failed they dont make them as good as they used to so iam sticking with the SSDs and Flash USB Sticks , i dont listen to the advice from this younger gernation they think they know stuff when they really have no clue , it is true tho that with any drive HDD or SSD that they all will fail someday how ever thats why i also keep at least 3 extra backups just in case stuff happens to 1 or more of them ther eis always backups i also reformat then from time to time and recopy clean versions just to be safe.. that being said iam not going to ever trust and HDD again but iam experimneting with an HDD by WD for now just to see how it fairs the last HDD drive that had failed me was a seagate, now when it comes to SSD drives tho i use kingston and WD Drives and Crucial so far no problmes ,, watch out for off brands thoes will come and bite you good there is a reason they are cheaper then well known brands
@@KevinMillard68 Thank you sir😁 (I'm also part of this younger generation, but unlike others I consider SSD's far more reliable, SSD>>>HDD makes a lot of sense, just needed confirmation lol)
in hardrives no air can get inside unless the seal was bad to start with i have never heard of such a thing that you mention and i have hardrives over 20 years old and the data is still perfect on them so please explain that.
@@KevinMillard68 I have an external SSD enclosure with encrypted files using VeraCrypt. When I try to open the files and click on the movies inside (either skipping quickly or moving them to another hard drive), the SSD immediately stops working, and the computer shows no response. About a minute later, a message appears saying the enclosure has been disconnected, and even if I reconnect it, the computer won't recognize it until I shut down and restart. It contains my graduation project, and I'm not sure what the problem is or what to do. Can you help?"
you do know hardrives are going the way of the dodo bird right and they are not even lasting 3 years in most cases either because of crap build quality so if you want to trust old tech that is progressively getting worse that's on you..
@@KevinMillard68 you do know hard drives are not going away for a long time? How should someone store 20tbs of stuff? Buy a bunch of solid state drives at triple the cost? Burn thousands of dvds or hundreds of blurays? Give no solution and just complain. Ill stick with a drive I can leave unplugged for 5 years and still retain data. I dont let my drives spin for thousands of hours and start them up every month. Test your drives when you buy them and don't move them. Keep them in a cool dry place and they will last. I've never had a spinning drive fail but I've had ssds fail. So its on your own luck what drive you got that fails. The % of drives that fail is so damn small everyone has data loss anxiety which causes these conversations. Why do you think ssd manufacturers stopped making 16tb ssds? Its not a good means of data storage long term and no one trusts it yet. I assume your comment was directed towards someone with moderate data content.
Bad advice. SSDs are not a good for data archival, at all. If any kind of flash storage is powered off for an extended time, the data will start to rot. The best consumer archival media is M-Disc. The data is etched into what is essentially a stone layer, with an estimated longevity of 1000 years. The discs are hardened compared to regular DVD-R. They are impervious to magnetic fields. They are impervious to liquids. They are impervious to power leakage.
Blu-ray M-Discs are available in sizes of 25GB, 50GB, and 100GB. Sony also make a similar product which stores 128GB.
I recommend using the 25GB discs, because spreading the data among multiple separate discs gives even more redundancy.
well dude i haev been doing this for many years and never once had a problem explain that if you can and i know you cant so please keep your comment to your self unless you can back up what you say i have been doing this for years and never a problem and i have used cheap SSDs and mildly expensive ones and to date not one problem where you get problemss its making a copy of a copy of a copy etc. so i make 1 copys which is the new master and copy from it to other drives and pefect no hassels.. dont believe all the BS you read or hear about excpeciallty from the young know it alls out there and there are alot of them that think because they read something that its fact and its not always true do your own tests your self thats how you get the right answers
@@KevinMillard68 I am a senior computer scientist, and I work on one of the most famous and sophisticated software applications on the planet. We had to work with Apple to do experiments with next-gen hardware to determine data rot on their SSDs. It isn't great.
Just last year, while working with AMD on their top-spec $10,000 Threadripper workstation, the SSD suffered 30% health degradation in just a few weeks, due to benchmarking.
Flash-based storage stores data by a charge, and that charge will leak over time, especially with temperature variations. This isn't speculation, this is physics.
I am with you on that. They are Ok to use for one of the copies but I would never ever entrust my only copy to one. I like hard drives just because they can last a long time if you are gentle with them. I have copies of my critical files and documents on thumb drives but that is not my only backup copy. These would be things I scanned to keep a digital backup copy of just in case something happens to the paper copies. I find that the TIFF format works really well for 600 DPI black and white. Best of all TIFF is lossless so there are no artifacts like with JPEG and the file size is not insane like BMP can be. Depending on how many documents you needed to scan a scanner with an automatic feeder and duplex mode is a great choice. I got mine used for $50 from eBay and it was $300 or more new.
@@charleshines5700 I have the following system:
A NAS with RAID mirrors, which does automatic off-site backup.
Then I write at least two Sony Archival discs. One on-site in a fireproof box, and the other off-site.
A good option is to store one copy in a safety deposit box at a bank.
The major advantage is that these discs are moisture proof, immune to electromagnetic fields, immune to mechanical failure, and unlike any kind of flash storage, they do not need to be powered on to prevent charge leakage.
This is "cold storage" and is by far the best bang-for-the-buck.
@@KevinMillard68 Your anecdotal "evidence" and opinion do not trump physics.
"Retention errors, caused by charge leakage over time, are the dominant source of flash memory errors."
users.ece.cmu.edu/~omutlu/pub/flash-memory-data-retention_hpca15.pdf
The problem with SSDs is that they are not very good for long term storage. It's fast, small, silent, consumes less, and doesn't care much about shocks, but they leak electrons over time, that is just the drawback of the technology, so files may get corrupted.
If you're thinking on storing something for many years HDDs are actually better provided that you leave it installed in a server, and don't move it, don't shock it... Doesn't have to be an expensive server, you can use an old PC full of HDDs.
Also HDDs are way cheaper then SSDs, so you can get 2 of the same capacity, and store the same data on 2 or more, so if you loose 1 drive, you still have the data on the other.
I have a nearly 20 year old PC with 4 HDDs in it, and storing everything on at least 2 HDDs, It's running Ubuntu server (free and open source command line only Linux operating system), and it's on a a safe place connected to the local network, I pretty much just push the power button, wait 2 minutes, and access the data over the network, no display, mouse or keyboard required.
Now I'm about to re-purpose a 15-16 year old PC with 2x4TB HDDs for long term storage, and an SSD for the operating system. This time I'm gonna put Ubuntu desktop (same as the other but with graphical user interphase) on it, because it has an overclocked I7 processor, and 16 GB of RAM, and I'm upgrading it with a new 90% efficient power supply for reliability, so it's will also be my secondary workstation (with display mouse and keyboard of course) just in case my new Ryzen 5 laptop bites the dust.
That being said, Ubuntu is my choice, since I'm a Linux only user since 2011, and I'm fine with using terminal when I need to. I know not everyone is into Linux, but Windows would also work fine for that, although you may not be able to still run up to date windows on close to 20 years old hardware as I do with Linux, so you would probably need newer hardware, even 10 years old would be a stretch for modern windows. Not Sure about Mac, cause I only briefly worked on a macbook at one of the companies I worked for, and I know that they keep tight control over their user's hardware and software(which is a nightmare for someone used to the freedom of Linux), but I also know that many of the Linux commands work on Mac as well.
i have never had problems for long term storage on SSDs Hardrive can fail much faster with age in fact i had more then one fail after less then 1 year quality problem perhams how ever they are old school and slow as heck and they are not as relailable i have founf over ssds the trick to long term on sd is the write cycles this is why i have a serperat data drive where most of my program run from as a read only setup and my main drive is read and write and i have had them last for years of usage with no ill effects at all the trick to ssds is quailty made drives like crucial and kingston and WD this are my top 3 brands i use i how ever am experimenting with a few off brands as well just to see, how ever i wont even give you a nickel for samsung and most of the chinese off brands i have alreadty see higher failer rates with them also and SSD can handel being droped HDDS can not and in over 99% of drops with HDDS they fail also the external HDDS the cables that connect to the drives are very unreliable and fail also the same can be said about of the of the Sata ssd enclosers they fail but the SSD does not. USB sticks are a slower version of SSD flash drives if you will same tech but slower then an SSD Drive that runs your system ihave many of them that have had data on them for years now and not one problem these of course again what out for the cheap ones as they tend to be junk so thats where brands like kingston san disk phillips to name a few are pefect for long term sticks made by vitial well they are a crap shoot to even get a good one more problems then not with them.. there is alot of information and ideas out there that people seem to have but what they lack is the experence in day to day testing and use they make judments that they should not if one brand fails they look at the entire line not always fair how ever thats how they do it, one of the most pushed drives out there is samsung a compnay that has very little experience in the computer world compared to the big boys that have been around sence the stone age. samsung is like sony over price and burn out fast, sony use to be be about quaility products now they are not no one wants there junk any more because they are not junk and fail alot wether its a monitor or a ssd drive etc even for ram they dont make very good realiable ram either tho so far any systems ihave boght that came with it never failed on my because i tend to rip the stuff out and replace it with ram thats good and performs properly so for me that is why i have never seen their ram fail. acasis thunder bolt enclousers are for upto 2 tb and cost 200.00 cnd and are not what i would call fast for thunderbolt so i went with a chance on Indmem thunderbolt cases for 129.99 and can read and write 4tb and i get consistan read writes of over 2750 MBS which for extenral is pretty impressive over the acasis and of course we have the sabrent cases that for thunderbolt they suck and are slow as heck .. as for your server comment that does not apply at all in realialty because people that buy computers dont buy servers.. and i will say this as wel servers are running 24/7 and there for are subject to have drives failier alot and tend to also be setup as raids and more and more have been switching over to SSD over the years because they are better and faster then HDDS and more cost effective and take up far less space as well. building and 1 or 2 desktop server is not a server you need to take a look at company servers which are huge and take up alot of space etc.. i can keep going here but will stop here for now,,
@@KevinMillard68 Well on my experience with HDD failure is different, I only ever had 2 failed, true I rarely move them, or the PC I use as my personal "server". Mine isn't always on, only when I need it (because it's old, consumes a lot, and makes a lot of noise in my room) and I'm using SMART features to avoid excessive wear of the drive. So of the 12 HDDs I ever own, 1 failed (500GB 2.5" fujitsu failed after 3 years of use in my laptop that I carried to university...), and 1 got replaced, because it was very old with very low capacity (it was actually a Seagate 3GB drive in my nearly 20 years old machine, that still works, it just isn't useful anymore). I only ever owned 5 SSDs (1 of them is intel nvme that came with my new laptop, 4 SATA, none failed yet), however I had several thumb drives, and SD cards failed (far more then HDDs, so I don't even kept count. Most of them whatever brand, I used to buy 1 of the failed ones was a 32GB USB3.0 Philips.)
The other HDD that I've seen failed, was a 2.5" 500GB Seagate in my my friend's laptop. I have no idea how it was treated, I suspect not so well, it just failed while I was using it. I didn't do basically anything to it, it was just spinning in the laptop on the desk, and started making noises on it's own, after which the laptop froze and failed to reboot.
Regarding brands, I used to buy whatever I found for cheap, now I tend to buy WD, Seagate or Toshiba for HDDs, and Kingstone, Crucial, Corsair or Adata and SP for RAM, SSDs, thumb drives, and SD cards.
That being said I can only speak of drives I own, not of drives/SSDs I installed for others. I just don't have enough data on those.
I also had data corruption over time on solid state media once without any interaction for years, and of course countless times on USB devices and SD cards (which is why I don't use removable devices for long term storage.)
They will get corrupted. It's important to mention that an unplugged SSD will lose charge. After a year or so in storage the whole disk can go.
M-Disk Blue-Ray better in every way
to each their own i always say how ever the way CDs are made 1 scratch on the label on the disk and your screwed not to mention the lack of data space as well
@@KevinMillard68 Kevin, educate yourself before giving an opinion. M-Discs are specially designed for long-term storage (1000+ years) with rock-like layer. It has nothing to do with the normal CD's (but it's compatible with practically any blu-ray reader) Also M-Disс's range from 25 to 100gb in size.
No matter how hard you try to scratch it or expose it to the sun, you'll never damage the data - that's the point. SSD WILL lose the data in 2-5 years without powering up, because of the way it's designed.
multiple backups across variios different media is best and one copy off site , keep the data by moving it to whatever new media comes out is pretty easy with digital so do that.
looking back over time you will see that a big problem is not necessarily loss of data but accessing it, how many of us have access to a cineprojector or a vhs or even a dvd player these days, same will be true of hdd soon enough.
imagine inn a 100 years someone looking at any of this stuff would just have no idea that is has data on it let alone reading it.
A photo on paper etc will still be recognisable though....
most these dont even know what a tape cassette is or what its used for and all the uses for it..
Best advice appears to be buying extra drives that will read the data and hope they'll still be useable in the future - and storing data on more than one medium,
Sometimes a hard drive on USB can tick even if it is just a bad cable or weak power too. I have had it happen but used a different cable and the problem went away. You can try electrical contact cleaner and that may help too. It comes in a multitude of brands most of which I have not tried. I have an aerosol can of CRC contact cleaner and it worked for a scanner that was not showing up. A very quick short shot on the USB cable end and the USB socket of the scanner. It worked. This one has the Micro B (not the similar but slightly larger mini B) which annoys me a little. It annoys me because I often find it on devices where space for a regular B socket is not an issue and they used Micro B instead. Probably for cost saving and probably so it doesn't last as long and that is because Micro B is more fragile. Plugging Micro B in doesn't bother me but I can see it annoying other people with bad eye sight who can't see small things well.
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If the 1 terrabyte discs come out in 2024 (which i think we will see considering HDDs are now uo to 22 TB) then my personal top 3 methods for cold storage would be:
1) 1 terrabyte discs
2) HDD
3) LTO
Dvd is good however if the 1 terrabyte discs really are $5 per disc and gets down to $1 per disc like they say you might as well just get that.
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What about M Disc?
@rzor1911 m disc is good however it's no longer in production, and I'm not sure how many times you can write and rewrite data onto discs before they give out.
Most modern Type-C host ports should be able to negotiate 5v 1.5/3A.
I have a handful of m.2 thumbdrive enclosures and one type-c enclosure on a short cable like yours, all with Ventoy on them. I never leave home without one!
if that were true we would not need power hubs at all when in fact we do on all moderen laptops and on any desk tops that are the mac min and alike on the windows world we also need powered hubs, desktop pcs and the mac pro towers we have way to many usb ports so we never need a hub how ever in all the testing i have done all new version type A and type c and thunderbolt port all only seem to supply 900 mah only on older type A we get 500 mah now all these ports types do put out 5V but now all devices use 5 volts in fact view do at all. most SSD drives including nvme SSDs use 2 to 3.3 volts but want 1 amp to near 3 amps but these amperages only seem to be available on internal slots on mother boards only but not on external ports, I have dont alot of experiements and test and these are the results i have found and many others found the same thing, what they should be able to do and auctually do seem to be 2 different things
Well Apples prices are ridiculous and some of their computers can't be upgraded easily if at all. Either it is soldered to the motherboard and you are stuck with it for life or it is a Mac Studio with slots that are useless for swapping drives anyhow!
and not one thing you have said is anywhere near relevant to my video congrats on that
I really want to back up my files in the long run so I consider buying external SSD's, but for whatever reason most people advise against them.
I don't get it. Other than Cloud Storage, which is way too expensive, external SSD's seem to be the best solution here.
They seem more reliable and practical than external HDD's, yet many recommend the latter.
Do portable SSD's last around 3-5 years? Even if left unplugged? If so, I declare myself satisfied.
i have been usiung external SSDs for a number of years now and never a problem i tried HDD externals and they failed they dont make them as good as they used to so iam sticking with the SSDs and Flash USB Sticks , i dont listen to the advice from this younger gernation they think they know stuff when they really have no clue , it is true tho that with any drive HDD or SSD that they all will fail someday how ever thats why i also keep at least 3 extra backups just in case stuff happens to 1 or more of them ther eis always backups i also reformat then from time to time and recopy clean versions just to be safe.. that being said iam not going to ever trust and HDD again but iam experimneting with an HDD by WD for now just to see how it fairs the last HDD drive that had failed me was a seagate, now when it comes to SSD drives tho i use kingston and WD Drives and Crucial so far no problmes ,, watch out for off brands thoes will come and bite you good there is a reason they are cheaper then well known brands
@@KevinMillard68 Thank you sir😁
(I'm also part of this younger generation, but unlike others I consider SSD's far more reliable, SSD>>>HDD makes a lot of sense, just needed confirmation lol)
@@Derrek44 if you want longer term storage try out magnetic tapes.
DVDs?
you can experience "data rot", where oxygen gets between the layers and the data is gone. it happens after about 10 years
in hardrives no air can get inside unless the seal was bad to start with i have never heard of such a thing that you mention and i have hardrives over 20 years old and the data is still perfect on them so please explain that.
@@salamiwallnut M-Disc DVD-R and BD-R have a lifetime of 1000 years.
bro i am living in south korea and buy chinese chip nvme encloser. and my ssd can read the file but can't move or copy it. what is ur encloser?
i have several types but for nvme i have indmem for thunderbolt and orical and saberant for my type c standard nvme drives
@@KevinMillard68 I have an external SSD enclosure with encrypted files using VeraCrypt. When I try to open the files and click on the movies inside (either skipping quickly or moving them to another hard drive), the SSD immediately stops working, and the computer shows no response. About a minute later, a message appears saying the enclosure has been disconnected, and even if I reconnect it, the computer won't recognize it until I shut down and restart. It contains my graduation project, and I'm not sure what the problem is or what to do. Can you help?"
Get 3 hard drives and buy a new one every 3 years. Problem soled.
you do know hardrives are going the way of the dodo bird right and they are not even lasting 3 years in most cases either because of crap build quality so if you want to trust old tech that is progressively getting worse that's on you..
@@KevinMillard68 how do you suppose I back up 12tb?
@@KevinMillard68 you do know hard drives are not going away for a long time? How should someone store 20tbs of stuff? Buy a bunch of solid state drives at triple the cost? Burn thousands of dvds or hundreds of blurays? Give no solution and just complain. Ill stick with a drive I can leave unplugged for 5 years and still retain data. I dont let my drives spin for thousands of hours and start them up every month. Test your drives when you buy them and don't move them. Keep them in a cool dry place and they will last. I've never had a spinning drive fail but I've had ssds fail. So its on your own luck what drive you got that fails. The % of drives that fail is so damn small everyone has data loss anxiety which causes these conversations.
Why do you think ssd manufacturers stopped making 16tb ssds? Its not a good means of data storage long term and no one trusts it yet.
I assume your comment was directed towards someone with moderate data content.
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thanks
Important as well...redundancy.
yup yup you got that right