RAM 2500 Cummins 6.7L Diesel Engine ** Heavy Mechanic Review** | TOP 3 ISSUES

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  • @dutch9357
    @dutch9357 Год назад +279

    I’ll sum up the main problems he mentioned. The government. That’s the problem.

    • @jimraelee
      @jimraelee 7 месяцев назад +7

      As in Ronald Reagan said... "Govt IS the problem"

    • @Whiskeybende
      @Whiskeybende 6 месяцев назад

      Amen to that! The government is killing all of them. It's like they don't even want engines to have freedom.

    • @seanw3621
      @seanw3621 5 месяцев назад +1

      The government has left mine.

    • @dalelangehennig161
      @dalelangehennig161 4 месяца назад +1

      😂😂 well said!

    • @warrenlilly2091
      @warrenlilly2091 3 месяца назад +3

      Government vehicles are deleted so so is mine!! They have better health care, retirement, time off!! So no you don't get to have a better running engine than me!!! 😤

  • @jirinajman9339
    @jirinajman9339 Год назад +58

    Great video.
    I have 2016 Ram 3500 diesel longhorn from brand new. First five years I was using it on daily basis for on everage 250 miles per day pulling my construction trailer with different loads. Just reliable truck, always ready, never failed me. In 300000 miles now I changed the turbo actuator, banks air intake( the killer bolt was failing) and regular maintenance, truck runs still like new, really happy with this investment!

    • @toolhouseperformance3845
      @toolhouseperformance3845 9 месяцев назад

      What's the killer bolt

    • @lucaschannel4005
      @lucaschannel4005 9 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@toolhouseperformance3845grid heater power bolt corrodes and fall in intake then go in engine and damage cylinder 6

    • @quentonmillstid850
      @quentonmillstid850 8 месяцев назад

      defeat device

    • @mhm8222
      @mhm8222 5 месяцев назад +1

      I believe every word you say...picking up my 2024 Monday!!

  • @RCQuadPatriot94
    @RCQuadPatriot94 Год назад +42

    Weird how these engines not only become more reliable but also more fuel efficient without all the emission bs. Leave it to the idiots in gov to screw something up that didn’t need fixing.

    • @pedrolabrada5591
      @pedrolabrada5591 5 месяцев назад +1

      And burn cleaner too!

    • @JeffinTD
      @JeffinTD 4 месяца назад +1

      Yeah they go up and up in power, more and more emission problems, and less fuel efficient. And the prices have gone past stupid.

    • @davidporter7051
      @davidporter7051 3 месяца назад

      far from an accurate statement. They run richer, less efficient, and the cylinders become fuel washed with excess fuel.

    • @jlcii
      @jlcii 3 месяца назад

      Guess you don't care about your lungs...

    • @davidporter7051
      @davidporter7051 3 месяца назад

      @@pedrolabrada5591 no it runs richer and makes the engine less reliable. This channel's mechanic should learn what he is talking about before spewing garbage.

  • @concretejungle77
    @concretejungle77 Год назад +65

    75% of the problems with new diesel engines regardless of the brand, regardless how hard you run them, is emission systems, might be the filter failure, might be the def sensors, mostly its the egr but its always something that has to do with the emission system, and the mpg's on all the different brands proves this 100%.

    • @ScottDLR
      @ScottDLR Год назад +3

      And is the number one reason I haven't bought a new truck.

    • @concretejungle77
      @concretejungle77 Год назад +4

      @@ScottDLR my brother hit 110k on his Ram and had to spend 9k for new emission system can't delete in Cali

    • @ScottDLR
      @ScottDLR Год назад +3

      @@concretejungle77 That's horendous!

    • @bobmariano3731
      @bobmariano3731 Год назад +3

      Ship them All to China 🇨🇳 👍🤛⚾️

    • @interstellarconundrum4774
      @interstellarconundrum4774 10 месяцев назад

      You really can't delete them anywhere, but that doesn't stop it from being done. For off road use only. ;-) @@concretejungle77

  • @brenteason9891
    @brenteason9891 Год назад +65

    On my 2018 Ram 2500, I had to drive it once a week on the highway for about 20 miles to complete a regen on the DPF. Driving around town didn’t get it hot enough and was headed towards a huge bill for a new DPF. The temps in the DPF would easily go over 1000F in regen. Problem was solved with an “emissions surgery” and tuner. Great video!!

    • @pr4lviper
      @pr4lviper Год назад +2

      How u know need a regen and when is complete?

    • @brenteason9891
      @brenteason9891 Год назад +4

      @@pr4lviper : Used the Edge CTS monitor to see the regen start. You can see the DPF temps rise rapidly during the regen. As far as when it needed a regen, I could see the process start a few times (with the EDGE CTS monitor) during the week and it would usually get interrupted if I needed to stop for whatever reason. The after treatment system would okay if you are driving on the highway most of the time, but that wasn't how I was using the truck.

    • @vietnamvet4533
      @vietnamvet4533 Год назад

      Well anyone who got stuck buying a Ford, GM or Dodge truck time to go back to school this time to learn. Want a quality truck or car Toyota or Honda period. And if you got to much junk or stuff to haul, try hiring someone to do it or better yet get rid of it, and find another job. Because the rest of us on the road don't like or want to see you monster trucks boring down on the rest of us. Thanks hope this helps.

    • @PoliticallyIncorrectMechanic
      @PoliticallyIncorrectMechanic Год назад +28

      ​@@vietnamvet4533really? So you want me to pay someone to plow my properties and my clients, and to tow my boat and landscaping trailers around when I need them? How about mind your business and if you don't like being around big trucks on the road, then get off it.

    • @vietnamvet4533
      @vietnamvet4533 Год назад +1

      @@PoliticallyIncorrectMechanic Well I am a numbers guy. You spend 83k on truck add in the interest in 6 years and that is 100k. Add in fuel and insurance at say 8K a year and the total is 148k. You can hire a ton of workers for that. And since you posted I guess it is now my business.

  • @joselucca2728
    @joselucca2728 Год назад +18

    I was close to buying one of these, but your video provided me with enough reasons to go back to the drawing table and reevaluate the whole idea.

    • @luisarevalo8394
      @luisarevalo8394 3 месяца назад

      What did you buy

    • @joselucca2728
      @joselucca2728 3 месяца назад +2

      @@luisarevalo8394 I decided to keep my 2004 Toyota truck for a couple more years. Yes, it’s 20 years old but it still does everything I require.

  • @stevewright3168
    @stevewright3168 Год назад +62

    I am a Ram technician. If I might offer a little insight your three common issues, and I will keep it to the 2019 and newer (it is a different engine and overall system). And please know that what I see is common to the Southeast region. #1- Aftertreatment failures are now usually due to the fuel filters not properly being maintained (10k-15K miles. Usually I recommend to my customers do them during their oil change), incorrect air filter installed (must be the type without the glue strips and no aftermarket like K&N), or the lack of EGR system maintenance. Also go to the dealer and make sure the most recent software has been flashed in the PCM (It will usually cost you about an hour). #2- If the EGR system is properly maintained at the proper intervals, you shouldn't have an issue. Many of my commercial clients have several hundred thousand miles on their trucks and are operating with much of the original equipment. There is a message that comes on in the dash "Perform Service" usually about 70k miles (67.5K miles on 2018 & prior) and requires that the EGR cooler & cross-over tube be soaked & cleaned, and the CCV filter be replaced. The EGR valve on 2018 and prior can be disassembled and the mechanics can be cleaned but unfortunately 2019 & newer cannot (at least I haven't found a way). The cleaner I really like is EGR Cleaner by Mopar. I use it full strength and let the parts soak overnight. To soak the cooler I made a blank that I seal with RTV at one end of the cooler then fill it up. ***If you have a lot of idle time, I recommend this service more frequently.*** #3- The turbo and actuator are terribly misunderstood (and mistreated). I will start with the turbo; AGAIN, IF YOU ARE PROPERLY MAINTAINING YOUR EGR SYSTEM, you shouldn't have any problems with the veins nor the impeller in your turbocharger. Now the actuator; usually when you have an issue with the actuator, there are generally a couple of codes. I don't remember them off hand but the most common will be a loss of communication, active or stored and usually a symptom of no power or intermittent loss of power (dangerous if you are pulling out into traffic). The other code is related to calibration (if I remember correctly). I find in most cases that people are driving the hell out of their trucks. Over speed limit, towing 15k-20k pounds, or more, down the road. Get to the destination and shut off the engine! What does hot coolant, sitting in a hot engine with no circulation, do...? It gets hotter. That hotter coolant is in the actuator (as well as, its attached to the hot turbo, which is attached to the hot exhaust manifold). Are you seeing the problem....? The circuit board in the actuator gets cold solder breaks from excessive heat to cold, repetitively. When you get to your destination, let your truck idle for 10 minutes. It really is that simple to extend the life of your actuator.
    Much of this can be extended to 2018 & prior. The real message here is maintain your truck. You spent $50k-$100k+ for your truck! Research it! That and find yourself a good Mopar tech that you can trust.

    • @WJ4x4OR
      @WJ4x4OR Год назад +2

      I just bought a 2022 ram 2500 with 9k miles. Any advice?

    • @johnsmircic6650
      @johnsmircic6650 Год назад +9

      ………..”and find yourself a good tech”…………..yea, good luck with that!

    • @bobmariano3731
      @bobmariano3731 Год назад +3

      Yeah , trade it for a Tundra !😝👍

    • @fubolibs4218
      @fubolibs4218 Год назад +10

      @@bobmariano3731lmao. Tundra can’t even match this performance. Plus this is a diesel and tundra doesn’t make them.

    • @robstatetx
      @robstatetx Год назад +1

      The dealer that performed the EGR cooler and EGR valve cleaning on my 2019 used a CCR product and an air compressor line. I asked if that was truly the manufacturer's recommended service method and they said it is an accepted method. The method you described is what I was expecting. The dealer in my area is huge.
      Also, I use Schaeffer's Carbon Treat on every fill up. I thought it would help with keeping my emissions cleaner. I am at 100K miles and the truck does a regen about every 150 miles. It is driving me crazy. I change the oil at 10K and the fuel filters at 15K, the CCV filter at 70, changing the trans fluid and filter every 30K now with synthetic, changed the differential lube with Schaeffer's, changed the transfer case fluid. I am trying my best to make this truck last and getting P-2459 codes occasionally.

  • @TIREDOFEVIL
    @TIREDOFEVIL Год назад +47

    Is it not amazing what government regulations can do to a fine engine design?

    • @Brandonbaughman
      @Brandonbaughman Год назад +9

      Dont worry…I’m from the government and I’m here to help…😂

    • @christopherwilson7698
      @christopherwilson7698 4 месяца назад

      But yet there’s are deleted from the Factory.

    • @SegoMan
      @SegoMan Месяц назад

      @@christopherwilson7698 DOD vehicles are exempt as well.

  • @k-mparker
    @k-mparker Год назад +17

    Heres a nugget for idling. When sitting in traffic or stopped for longer than a few minutes, turn the cruise control on and hit the minus bitton on the cruise control. Your RPM’s are increased to around 1400 to mitigate DPF problems and keep it cleaner.

    • @Cardiakk
      @Cardiakk Год назад +4

      You have to be in park for that.

    • @k-mparker
      @k-mparker Год назад +1

      @@Cardiakk Yes sir, thanx 4 adding that, I did not state that.
      👍😃🍻

  • @randalovcen9811
    @randalovcen9811 8 месяцев назад +3

    I was about to pull the trigger on a Ram diesel. After watching your video, I realized I am one of those you described who doesn't drive very far. Even though I pull a moderate-sized fifth wheel, it is only half a dozen times a year. I'll be sticking with my 2018 35Heavy Dutyu 6.4. (yeah, it's got a Hemi!) Great video presence with great, honest info. Thanks!

  • @andrewevans1519
    @andrewevans1519 Год назад +377

    Deleted diesel is a happy diesel

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад +33

      Very happy!

    • @fireflyraven2760
      @fireflyraven2760 Год назад +12

      Damn right

    • @Steadierpark
      @Steadierpark Год назад +6

      Yup!

    • @e.l.9589
      @e.l.9589 Год назад +11

      100k miles, and over 1k idle hours on stock system. Just maxing out the weight keeps everything working normal.

    • @k-mparker
      @k-mparker Год назад +11

      A deleted diesel is happier than an itchy pig up against a picket fence!!!

  • @flameredram1572
    @flameredram1572 Год назад +46

    Would love to see you make a video detailing these after-treatment systems from a mechanic's perspective

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад +26

      Ya I think I'm going to do it. seems like people are interested.

  • @jayamoroso5870
    @jayamoroso5870 Год назад +23

    Running with the exhaust brake on prolongs turbo life in my experience. Have had one '19 two '18's go north of 200,000 miles with factory turbo and actuator. Turn it on every time you get in the truck. (I have an '06 5.9 with over 500k but that's a totally different animal) current '21 HO only has 55k and so far, issue free

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад +9

      saves your brakes too. I'd run my exhaust brake the whole time also. lol and yes the 5.9 are what we used to call a reliable diesel engine

    • @horsetrader1991
      @horsetrader1991 Год назад +2

      So I should RUN with my exhaust break on? I have a 2022, brand new 1900 miles. Sold my camper so it mostly sits in my garage.

    • @jayamoroso5870
      @jayamoroso5870 Год назад +8

      @@horsetrader1991
      I would if I were you especially since you're not towing a trailer anymore. When the truck is under load, the vanes in the turbo work more often, they are less likely to stick or get "carboned up". Slow rolling around town will cause the vanes to become dirty and freeze up. Put the automatic exhaust brake on at least. I usually run full exhaust brake but it can be aggressive when empty. By running with the exhaust brake on I have not experienced any turbo or actuator issues in the several hundred thousand miles I have put on these trucks.

    • @efraingarciaescalante2824
      @efraingarciaescalante2824 Год назад +1

      ​@horsetrader1991 any recall on your 2022? I was reading something about year 2022. Diesel engines.

    • @jayamoroso5870
      @jayamoroso5870 Год назад +1

      @@efraingarciaescalante2824 I have a '21 so not sure about '22 recalls. Browsing the web it appears some '22s are experiencing cam and lifter issues. Haven't seen anything about 21 having the same problem. There's other recalls for 21 for the tailgate and intake heater bolt/relay

  • @FireBosspilot
    @FireBosspilot Год назад +3

    Minus emissions, the best resolve would be a high quality clean tune. Your engine will love you for it.

  • @jameseroh6544
    @jameseroh6544 Год назад +6

    My wife's 2018 6.7L runs best with Hot Shots Secret EDT added to the fuel at every fill up.
    Last year, the P20EE code kept coming up every 3 weeks. 4 trips to the dealer that replaced the SCR, Nox sensor, DEF fluid replacement, and reflashed software. The last time the code showed up I noticed the battery was a little off. Went to Walmart for a new AGM battery. It has been 9 months since any issues. The engine runs smoother and with better fuel economy.
    I have been using Rotella T6 5w40 oil all year round since 700 miles.
    Also got a Bank's intake elbow to avoid the dreaded heater grid bolt issue.

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад

      Interesting, I'll have to see what that hot shots EDT is all about. but yes multiple trips to the dealer is not unheard of. sometimes these codes just keep coming back and its tough to get to the bottom of them. happy the trucks is running well now!

  • @trentbain4988
    @trentbain4988 Год назад +13

    as a retired Mopar tech, heavy line/ transmissions. i worked on a lot of the Cummins engine. the biggest cause of any failure on these trucks, were caused by the owner. people bought a work truck they tried to use as a pleasure vehicle. seen alot of these vehicle 3/4 ton 4 x 4 drove by the wife because see wanted to be cool/hip, in the now. people that worked these vehicle had very little issues and usually high mileage when they did. i also seen head gasket failure on these engine, but where either high mileage or had aftermarket equipment boosting power, which would lift the head off the gasket and would eventually fail. the stock high mileage head gasket failure, would usually leak externally from parts of the gasket deteriorating, till leak occured.

    • @cesarguerrero2949
      @cesarguerrero2949 9 месяцев назад +2

      I can second this, I use my 21 3500 for heavy towing, only issue so far was dead batteries, I’m at 200k miles

    • @j.l.salayao8055
      @j.l.salayao8055 3 месяца назад +1

      Your claim seems valid in general, though I see many hot shot and heavy haulers with Ram Cummins having many issues with their trucks.

  • @craigshackelford4495
    @craigshackelford4495 Год назад +4

    I really appreciate this video. I love my 2013 6.7 Tradesman. I have cleaned, repaired, or replaced most every component of the emissions system and probably will be replacing some systems again. I run a lot fuel additives and just made a 1,000 mile trip from Georgia to Missouri over the weekend where it really performed. You are so right about short trips. Around the farm this thing makes lots of starts and stops and pulls hard when not at full temp. A brutal life Thanks again for your video

  • @philsalsbery9994
    @philsalsbery9994 7 месяцев назад +1

    I ordered a 2017 RAM 3500 Limited Mega cab SRW truck with the high output Cummins and Aisin transmission. I now have 208K miles with zero issues, other than heater failure. I'm in southern California so I rarely use the heater, but I need to get it checked out. I drive an average of 200 miles, mostly highway, every day I run it, about 4 days per week. I tow my 15K pound 5th wheel about 5 times per year. I religiously change oil & both fuel filters every 15K miles. I've changes the CCV filter one time at about 100K miles, so I need to do that again. I do sit idling for up to 15-20 minutes at times, but then drive it many miles again before shutting it down. I also let it idle for about 10-15 minutes after towing to let things cool down well. I need to take it in for the EPA recall this month. I've seen where nothing really changes other than the DEF gauge running toward empty faster. They say it doesn't use more DEF, the gauge just runs down faster. I hear that mileage and performance do not suffer at all. I use the freshest DEF I can find, and never let the DEF tank go below half full. This video scares the crap out of me, so I just take the best care of my truck, and maintain the fuel filters using only Mopar filters. . .

  • @osmd7155
    @osmd7155 Год назад +4

    I really appreciate you posting this video going over these issues that most buyers (like me) have no idea of or at best a very remote idea as to what can happen with this motor which I was going to get in the new 2023 Rebel 2500 or 2024 Laramie, however after listening your explanation of the intricacies innate to this engine and likeliness of malfunctions that can happen with not fault at all of driver/owner I will go with the HEMI 6.4 gasoline, many thanks.

  • @floydoharejr4477
    @floydoharejr4477 Год назад +4

    The third thing you can do to reduce soot is use a Quality fuel additive. One that increases cetane which makes the fuel burn easier and more efficiently.

    • @paulg444
      @paulg444 Год назад +1

      i agree here, but I think the high end cummins recommended additives are actually improving fuel atomization. I notice longer regen intervals and better fuel economy.

  • @ck3561
    @ck3561 Год назад +3

    I had a 2018 ram 2500 Cummins
    I traded it in for my new 22 F350 crew cab long bed with the powerstroke
    No regrets

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад +2

      Powerstroke is a solid engine 👌

  • @raymondbetancourt9506
    @raymondbetancourt9506 7 месяцев назад +1

    I did a delete with a tune, and all my exhaust issues went away, also added a Fass oil water seperato system....got a good 11 year run. Now I'm dealing with ECM and ABS Module, on a 2013 Ram 2500 6.7

  • @GM-gj8hs
    @GM-gj8hs 10 месяцев назад +2

    Good stuff bro, my 2021 motor went bad due to a plugged egr, like a chain reaction….all types of issues you just went over … so iffy about getting me a new truck with warranty however I think I learned a valuable lesson with my 6.7 HO …it lasted 200k miles however towing everyday……lol…

  • @paulg444
    @paulg444 Год назад +3

    one thing that has helped me with the frequency regeneration was to add a cummins approved fuel additive. My only theory as to why it helps is that these additives probably improve fuel atomization at the injector as well as keeping the injectors clean.

    • @robertmintz63
      @robertmintz63 10 месяцев назад

      All fuel injectors , both gas & diesel should have a continuous maintenance of administration of cleaner

  • @shanebrown2963
    @shanebrown2963 Год назад +21

    Easiest fix for diesels is a nice weight loss program!!

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад +3

      Cut the emissions off. Allegedly

    • @mnels18
      @mnels18 Год назад +2

      What's the fine? When caught

    • @j.l.salayao8055
      @j.l.salayao8055 3 месяца назад

      @@mnels18 Just $3 and a glass of beer to the already drunk officer/chp/sheriff/police.

  • @OUTLAWBBQ
    @OUTLAWBBQ Год назад +2

    Their is an holset actuator problem right now. The housing at the bottom is a little big. Also the real main problem with the 6.7 Cummins is the grid heater stud and nut rotting away and getting smashed into the top of a piston.

  • @cedriclorittssr4361
    @cedriclorittssr4361 Год назад +6

    Yes, please talk about the Regen systems.🙏🏾
    Thanks!😎

  • @MoraleHazard
    @MoraleHazard Год назад +5

    I've found that fuel catalysts like Better Diesel which burn soot at a lower temperature slows how fast the DPF fills up and gets that passive regen going quicker.

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад +4

      Good quality diesel is so critical of these engines. Shitty diesel will cause lots of issues.

    • @kevinwhitton6595
      @kevinwhitton6595 Год назад

      What company produces the best diesel? Chevron, Shell? I hear BP, but I don’t have one in my area.

    • @GM-gj8hs
      @GM-gj8hs 10 месяцев назад +1

      #2 only for my 6.7 no cheap dirty stinky bio

    • @dieselmutt8865
      @dieselmutt8865 26 дней назад

      ​@@kevinwhitton6595 That really doesn't matter. Typically, all fuel gets put in the same storage tank after transportation through the pipeline. The trucks that deliver the fuel to the stations all draw from that same tank. Focus on well maintained stations that move high volume.

  • @Mattman2500
    @Mattman2500 Год назад +9

    To me the risk was not worth the reward. I went with the 6.4L. I tow up to 16k a few time a year. I haven't wished I had a diesel yet. These newer diesels are just not reliable, all thanks to government regs.

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад +7

      Exactly the new gas engine can handle more and more weight and the diesels just keep getting more and more complicated

    • @Mattman2500
      @Mattman2500 Год назад

      @TheGettyAdventures Keep up the good content, my man.

    • @antonfloor344
      @antonfloor344 Год назад

      6.4 is best of all. Who needs diesel if you got a great V8

    • @Pantelifts10
      @Pantelifts10 Год назад

      ​@@antonfloor344someone that tows daily for work? I own a hardscaping company and it made more sense to get a diesel. But different trucks for different needs 👍

  • @tmusik7
    @tmusik7 3 месяца назад

    Yep. A couple years ago I paid almost $3000 for EGR repairs, and a year ago spent just under $1000 replacing turbo actuator, and then last month spent $4000 on replacing complete turbo assembly as the VGT had internal damage. I would rather a turbo with a waste gate instead of the VGT, but here we are.
    This is a 2015 Ram 2500 with over 200,000 miles, so after 9 years that's not too bad and the truck is still running strong.
    Oh, and I also replaced the battery and the radio died a few years ago.

  • @robertsimpson7113
    @robertsimpson7113 Год назад +1

    Yes to the after treatment video. Both DPF alone & SCR & DPF systems

  • @ethanyates28
    @ethanyates28 Год назад +18

    I personally run the automatic exhaust brake all the time to save my brakes. But I have heard mixed opinions about whether or not that is good for your turbo. My philosophy is moving parts that continuously move are less likely to seize. But I’d like to hear your opinion and other pros and cons

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад +14

      The cummins exhaust brake is the best on the market forsure. I mean constantly running it will put more back pressure on the turbo but in my opinion I don't like it will shorten the life of the turbo. Have it contently working it probably the better optikn

    • @ethanyates28
      @ethanyates28 Год назад +4

      @@GettysGarage I also read that the back pressure is for cleaning the turbo veins of soot, but I’m not sure how truthful that is

    • @e.l.9589
      @e.l.9589 Год назад +2

      I run it in automatic, and tow mode on full time. I idle the life out of it, but work it like a slav3 with oil change every 5k miles.

    • @Cardiakk
      @Cardiakk Год назад

      ​@@e.l.95895k miles?? You don't need to change anywhere near that often.

    • @e.l.9589
      @e.l.9589 Год назад +4

      @@Cardiakk You are not taking into account my idle hours, and MAXED OUT towing daily. It all falls under business expenses, so nothing to save by not doing it.

  • @johnbelew
    @johnbelew 27 дней назад

    I love how this guy never just shits on a manufacturer or engine. Just things to look for. Kudos

  • @marcovega9793
    @marcovega9793 4 месяца назад

    In my experience on the 5th gen 6.7, if you use an engine air filter that has glue strips along the bottom, they will cause the maf sensor to read inaccurately leading to dtc coming up. Always use an engine air filter without glue strips.

  • @dougdelane3642
    @dougdelane3642 Год назад +2

    Great points, my biggest issue with trucks now are they are all massive. My fathers F-350 from 2000's is now the size of a new tacoma all these trucks would be considered massive 20 years ago now its just the standard.

  • @kanefritz6694
    @kanefritz6694 11 месяцев назад +1

    2020 6.7 here…. Please share your knowledge on aftermarket items like cold air intake and catch cans. Thank you. Love the channel!

  • @northeasterndirtandpropert7974
    @northeasterndirtandpropert7974 Год назад +3

    I look at my 1998 24 valve,NV 4500,3500 in the corner of the shop thru different eyes now.What a nightmare.I'm starting to think the advantages of owning a newer diesel are fizzling away.

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад +2

      Yup. The old diesels were much simpler beasts

  • @kurtsmith4657
    @kurtsmith4657 4 месяца назад +1

    I have a 2016 6.7 2500. Delete it, get rid of the EGR, DEF system, DPF filter, run a conservative tune, the grid heater bolt is a known issue, get rid of it before it drops a bolt into your #6 cylinder. Best aftermarket mods for the 68rfe are a deep tranny pan, fluid bypass, temps will run at 140-150 instead of 170-180 and aluminum stiffening plate for the valve body. Change your CCV filter early, if you neglect it, oil can start getting pushed into your turbo which can make it fail permaturely. There may be other good mods, this is stuff ive done that has added to the reliability of the truck.

    • @cameronbachelor4066
      @cameronbachelor4066 3 месяца назад

      What's the fluid bypass? I have a 2014 6.7. Thought the transmission is bad, have replaced everything except valve body, still goes into limp mode at 5th-6th once up to temp. Noticed DEF is burning as fast as fuel. Thinking now my def system is bad and causing all the electrical codes. Hoping deleting fixes it.

    • @kurtsmith4657
      @kurtsmith4657 3 месяца назад

      @@cameronbachelor4066 The thermal bypass allows the fluid to flow unimpeded through the cooler instead of having the stock OEM valve open & shut when it reaches the required temp. When i added a deep tranny pan & thermal bypass my temps are 130-140 unloaded and max 150 loaded w/ a triple axel gooseneck here in florida. Another known failure point is the stock valve body on the 68rfe. Theres a billet aluminum stiffening plate that bolts up to it and stops it from warping. My guess would be, your valve body has already warped and your having shifting issues.

  • @sargenthp
    @sargenthp Год назад +3

    I had a few Cummins. But I absolutely hated my '15 with the 3.42 gears. Even not towing on the interstate I could drop 4 MPG from a simple headwind. Also Cummins is putsy while towing. Trying to pass on a 2 lane while towing can be white knuckling.

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад

      The top end power on the cummins is not the greatest I agree with you there

  • @KarasCyborg
    @KarasCyborg Год назад +1

    If your battery gets low, it will throw all sorts of funky unrelated unclear-able codes. It takes like 200 miles to clear them too after you replace the battery.

  • @marksman4004
    @marksman4004 Год назад +4

    Don't forget about that heater grid bolt that will burn off and fall into the number 6 cylinder.

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад +1

      I did mention it at the end of the video. Iv never personally seen and I've seen alot of 6.7's. Clearly its an issue but thankfully there are some pretty simple fixes to mitigate that issue

    • @neilzehebtbauer5317
      @neilzehebtbauer5317 Год назад +1

      My son's 17 ate the nut for the heater grid as it broke into rusty flakes. Cost him a new turbo and a rebuilt head, luckily no piston damage

  • @j.l.salayao8055
    @j.l.salayao8055 3 месяца назад

    As always, you lay down lots of useful information that help and guide us current/future Ram Cummins diesel droolers. My 2023 Ram HO Cummins is my first Dodge/Ram diesel besides my first 2017 6.7 powerstroke I replaced with my current truck. New subscriber here due to your knowledge and experience to Cummins diesel and for sharing your thoughts and experiences. Thank you for what you and please do keep up the awesome work.
    -Cheers from Boulder City/ Las Vegas Nevada!🍻

  • @richarddubois5529
    @richarddubois5529 Год назад +2

    Use Lucas dpf deep clean it works!

  • @horsetrader1991
    @horsetrader1991 Год назад +3

    Now you have me were I'm afraid to drive my 2022 Dodge Dually around town. I don't drive it much, but from this video, it seems I shouldn't start it to let it idle. We plan to buy another truck camper in the next few months when the prices, hopefully drop but for now I guess I'll let my truck sit in my garage. I paid a lot of money for my Limited, quad cab dually , I even ordered the Aisin transmission, mated with a 3:73. Any advice on how to treat my investment? When I do drive it put the diesel break on. Is this correct? When we did have a camper a 10.2, Northern Lite, the truck handled it with ease and honestly I got a tad over 14 MPG. I only filled the DEF one time at a truck stop. 18 hundred miles. My last Ford, a 2006, F350 King Ranch only had 22 thousand miles when I sold it. It was a 4x2 but everyone said I would have problems. I never had the first problem with the exception of one of the battery cables come loose. I sold it for 34, to buy this 4x4 Dodge. Anyway advice would be nice. Great video by the way.

  • @aaronkelley8909
    @aaronkelley8909 Год назад +1

    I think the 5th and 2nd gen are the best looking diesel trucks to ever hit the market.

  • @scottryan492
    @scottryan492 5 месяцев назад

    310,000 miles currently on my Cummins and runs as good as it did from New. Never had any issues with the engine or transmission. The only issue with this truck is the turbo actuator failed once at 296,000. Still no blowby and pulls like a beast. Was deleted at 95,000. My newer Cummins is going in to be deleted soon. Delete and regular service will make these trucks run trouble free for a long time

    • @scottryan492
      @scottryan492 5 месяцев назад +1

      Why do the government trucks come without emissions? They know it causes problems and they don't want to deal with it.

  • @neckofthewoods24
    @neckofthewoods24 Год назад

    I’ll never understand why they want your bed to fall apart. The rear liners are like $190 as an add on. Just include them! Specially on a big horn.

  • @jimratliff2753
    @jimratliff2753 10 месяцев назад +3

    I like to know nonsense professional talk. Experience has value. Very educational. This helps point me in the right direction with my 2015 Ram 2500 Laramie limited turbo diesel issues.

  • @richardhampton4382
    @richardhampton4382 7 месяцев назад +1

    Funny i saw your this for I'm having the very issues you are describing on my 2013 6.7 Big Horn 3500 only 58,000 miles! Now I feel really sick to my stomach ! We got a check engine light this week went to the shop today was told it looked like one of the codes was maybe pertaining to the turbo! I was also told 10,000 to fix if it was this problem ! All i can say at this point haul it to the wrecking yard !! I have had nothing but recall after recall on this truck! Whats weird it was running fine no missing, running hot issues running nice and smoothly no loss of power !!! I'm sick after watching this video !!!

  • @agerardomp
    @agerardomp Год назад +2

    Greetings Alex.
    A pleasure to see yours videos and to listen yours comments.
    RAM and Cummins ... There is always a first time for everything; even to repair a great pick up 😢
    Big HUG Alex! 😊

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад +1

      Yes, next week I'm towing with this beast! should be a good video, hope you like it

  • @stevenanderson6658
    @stevenanderson6658 Год назад +7

    Can u imagine if cummins woulda made a pre emissions 6.7!! Holy hell hold on!!!!

  • @ZuzkaK6
    @ZuzkaK6 Год назад +1

    I don't even want to think about buying a new 6.7. Looks like I'll be keping my 2007 5.9 Cummins forever!

    • @mattdelany6799
      @mattdelany6799 8 месяцев назад

      I wouldn't. All junk these days.

  • @cavemanmechanics8998
    @cavemanmechanics8998 3 месяца назад

    I have found with the new Cummins diesel engine that a lot of the emission issues are coming down to engine failures from cam and lifters. Mostly from lifters not staying pumped up. Non adjustable rockers on the new gens

  • @jameshanson7065
    @jameshanson7065 Год назад +1

    Please keep in mind while reading my rambling, that I'm not a mechanic by no means.
    But, In my opinion. It seems since there's so many issues with these "mandated" aftertreatment systems, that it's way past time to do a complete redesign of the entire system altogether. Something that doesn't include sending none of that trash back into the engine.
    Once the exhaust leaves the engine, the clean-up process happens between the exhaust manifold and the end of the exhaust pipe. A system that has nothing to do with the engine and therefore doesn't have any ill or negative effects on these diesels in any way. Putting this current system on these trucks has pretty much destroyed them in terms of what they use to be capable of. Just seems like it took away the reasoning for having a diesel to begin with. Including dependability, longevity, and fuel efficiency.
    Is there anyone out there that is working on a new system that solves this issue once and for all? Or any companies for that matter?
    I am currently in the talks with our local dealership about purchasing one of these Ram 2500's with the Cummins engine.
    Every time I'm just about the pull the trigger and buy one of these diesels, I see one of these videos talking about how these "Mandated" aftertreatment systems are crippling and destroying these things.
    It just seems like they're thinking about it all wrong with this current system. Time to go back to the drawing board and completely rethink and design something completely new and different.
    Again, I'm not a mechanic by any means. But it just seems that this current aftertreatment system has been proven to be a very bad idea, and yet they just keep on using it.

  • @chriskowalski2094
    @chriskowalski2094 Год назад +2

    great video so I got a new 22 ram Cummins
    got 8500 miles doing my first oil change now mostly all highway miles
    can you make a video. on
    what not to do and what you would do on the 6.7 Cummins how to prevent problems / maintenance
    like
    should you heat up your truck before using it if so to what temp
    does premium def work better than truck stop def
    when would you change the oil
    important fluids to do early
    or any other tips would like to keep this truck for a long time
    thanks

    • @christopherbates542
      @christopherbates542 4 месяца назад

      Yes, all of those questions would be great to hear answered!

  • @Brararaf101
    @Brararaf101 Год назад

    drive 3500 dually cummings i love the power of this truck actually great truck no complains I think gmc and ford deff got better interiors and comfort but cummings takes it

  • @moneymike3062
    @moneymike3062 Год назад +1

    So the best way to deal with most of these issues is to accidentally hit a bump and have your emission systems fall off?

  • @dennykral724
    @dennykral724 9 месяцев назад

    Yes, send me a video on what the diesel needs for DPF to run it. A lot of us would like to know what would be best

  • @HTSS8
    @HTSS8 Год назад

    My 17 (122k) Idles a Lot because my whole family goes every where together, and we sit and eat inside and attend to babies etc etc, take long trips out of state. It regens quite a bit. Engine no problems. My 68RFE is the problem.

  • @rickracus3109
    @rickracus3109 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great video, very informative. Really appreciate your knowledge on the Cummins engine.Thank you very much.

  • @LindsayPeters987
    @LindsayPeters987 Год назад +5

    Would love to see a video on the regenning :)

  • @tnossis5829
    @tnossis5829 7 месяцев назад +1

    this is why old trucks are the best trucks

  • @mrh0wler353
    @mrh0wler353 2 месяца назад

    6:40 Idle time? When I bought my used '08 2500 Megacab in 2010, the owner said that he would let the truck idle at night in rest stops while he got some sleep in the back. Now I suppose I should buy and install a 'diesel fueled heater' and run it at night if I want to sleep in a warm truck.

  • @0287adam
    @0287adam 11 месяцев назад

    Ive had one for 4 years now, 90000 kms, use it for work, so far the dpf system has clogged up and needed to be cleaned out, new brakes and broke a rim thats it

  • @Frostytravels
    @Frostytravels 5 месяцев назад

    I had a 2017 2500 Chevy HD and never had a single regen in 115k. I always drove it like I stole it...Never regened a single time. Even with service intervals I was ask by the dealership, due to checking and it never regened.

  • @motormike191
    @motormike191 Год назад +4

    My question is regarding the ram 3500 HO, 2019. As a heavy deisel mechanic, do you see any true benefits to upgrading with legal of course Banks Power type products such as the air intakes, boost tubes etc.

  • @martysk8r
    @martysk8r 15 дней назад

    You talked me into keeping my 6.0L gasser.
    Why isn't some kind of heat exchanger used to put heat into the intake as needed but not the soot-filled exhaust gas which clogs and breaks everything???

  • @ediszalic5315
    @ediszalic5315 5 месяцев назад

    I have 2012 ram2500 6.7 and I am dodge diesel certified mechanic you supposed clean dpf around 80 thousand miles and egr cooler system I did so many trucks like that they went over 200 thousand miles and never changed dpf I cleaned on newer models and move I am doing dpf clean and egr cooler and the egr cooler piping intake and egr Valve cleaning on 22 model hot shot driver

  • @rodneyrobinson6116
    @rodneyrobinson6116 Год назад +1

    Run them hard , treat them like a drag race car in town , take off a green light like your racing a Lamborghini, they seem to like it , I have a 2016 with 205000 miles and running strong , no problems so far

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад

      running them hard is the best thing you can do. these are work horses they love it!

  • @AndrewGeorge-ig1fn
    @AndrewGeorge-ig1fn 2 месяца назад

    19-24 25 lifter failure. My 2022 failed at 26k miles. Dealership near me is so flooded with trucks for the same issue my truck has been there for 124 days and counting.

  • @symorlinthecaster5882
    @symorlinthecaster5882 Год назад +3

    Owning a 6.4 Hemi, and working on 6.7, which would you prefer? which would do you think will stand the test of time?

    • @e.l.9589
      @e.l.9589 Год назад

      I have 6.7 for work, and 6.4 for everything else. They are both 2017, and both @ 100k. Diesel for beating it like a stepchild, gas for periodically towing.

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад +1

      the way I use my truck the 6.4 hemi will be a more reliable engine. but if driven and maintained well the 6.7 will outlast the hemi without a doubt.

    • @e.l.9589
      @e.l.9589 Год назад

      @@GettysGarage I just finished driving my 6.4L 2,400 miles cross country. I will let you know how 2,400 miles go in the other direction. At 98k miles it doesn't burn oil, and 22 mpg in those 3 days across country.

    • @e.l.9589
      @e.l.9589 Год назад

      Made it back.

  • @muleyboy559
    @muleyboy559 Месяц назад

    I’m seeing a lot of Ram owners talking about their heater not blowing hot. I’m having the problem myself and have no idea what’s going on.

  • @Mike_The_Hog_A_Nator
    @Mike_The_Hog_A_Nator Год назад

    My Brother in law has had em all but, the 1 he loves now for 5 months has 75k miles on her.
    Not a single issue. He hauls racing boats for a business.
    So he goes thru trucks every year.
    He wishes the "Life Long Warranties" were honored by other Dealerships. I never heard of the "Life Long Warranties" but certain dealerships do offer them.
    He's in TX & bought his in Alabama because it came with a "Lifetime warranty" but only at that dealership in Alabama. Texas Dealerships won't honor other dealers Warranties.
    The Alabama dealership does send free filters, oil, etc,
    on the 14th of every month to his TX home because he's not driving it to Alabama just for a free oil change every few weeks.
    He puts miles on his trucks & he's tried all the 2500 diesels & the Ram is his best choice.
    Best mileage, low maintenance, no brake downs, etc.
    I tried to get him to buy the new Chevy HD but, he says he's driven one & it just doesn't compare (for towing large boats) to the 2023 Ram & he's about to get a 2024 Ram 2500.

  • @dylanbailey2812
    @dylanbailey2812 Год назад +1

    I respect the Cummins engine, I'm just not a Ram fan. Can't get behind the 68rfe. Now, if I could find an Aisin, then maybe

    • @jimm2442
      @jimm2442 Год назад

      I agree and purchased the GM because of the transmission among several other reasons.
      RAM has no excuse for not running a 10 speed like the competition especially for what they cost.
      Ford 6.7 diesels suck due to the CP4 oil pan leaks, spinning rod bearings etc. If they don't care enough to replace this known flawed pump then they can keep the garbage they make. Even their 7.3 gassers are eating camshafts and pumping metal throughout the engine.

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад

      I towed with this truck and boy was the 6 speed transmission a weak point. engine is awesome but the shift points killed it.

  • @adamsgrizzly01
    @adamsgrizzly01 10 месяцев назад

    Well my 2014 3500 had a gasket failure between the two back cylinders did a whole top end rebuild with stronger head studs

  • @edt689
    @edt689 Год назад

    I had my 19 ram cummins cp4 swap out for cp3 at the dealer free of charge. I just had put my truck on the list, and they'll call you when they get ur cp3 in. After that, my exhuast and egr system fell off on it somehow. At 60 to 70k miles, the egr valve and intake heater area clogs up with soot. Getting average 22 to 18 mpg now without load.

  • @ace1usmc
    @ace1usmc Год назад +2

    I know of one way to ensure you NEVER have any aftertreatment/exhaust-handling issues.... 😊

  • @deogee1000
    @deogee1000 Год назад

    The heater grid nut melts off from the heater grid relay sticking. I just replaced the heater grid for this and the relay. there is a recall for this problem. also, we have a engine that has failed for this in the shop.

  • @syndicatemotos7534
    @syndicatemotos7534 Год назад

    So what I’m hearing is since I run hotshots all I have to do is what I normally do. ( maybe pedal to the metal going up the hills)

  • @jameshamm7911
    @jameshamm7911 Год назад +2

    Quick question: heard from another content creator who "Hot Shots," said the 2022 Cummins develops cam-wear issues (requiring a rebuild) at around 100k miles. The guy said he thinks it is related to the engine component shortage from COVID, where cheaper metals were used on the cam followers. What do you think?

  • @JROC734
    @JROC734 Год назад +3

    IMO the biggest issue with the 6.7L Cummins, as well as the modern Powerstroke, and Duramax engines is the government forced emissions crap. A high compression, heavily boosted diesel wants to breathe. These emissions equipment only choke them. It's amazing the performance that the OEM's are able to get over of them while running DPF, DEF, EGR, etc emissions equipment.

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад +1

      They certainly do not perform as well as they could with the emissions systems on them. They also dont last as long either!

  • @mitchmiller8889
    @mitchmiller8889 8 месяцев назад

    Only 500 miles left on my Warranty and i think I've got a plan to remedy problem #1 and #2 🤫😉

  • @rodneyrobinson6116
    @rodneyrobinson6116 Год назад +1

    Let your turbo cool down after you arrive at your destination, atleast 10 minutes, oil gets hot let it cool , don't be hesitant to let it cool

    • @Steadierpark
      @Steadierpark Год назад

      You can run a turbo timer or something I do, turn the truck off, get out and lock it, remote start it. There is a 10 min timer and it will shut off

    • @1hasbeen531
      @1hasbeen531 Год назад +3

      With the water cooled turbos on the newer trucks very little cool down time is needed.

    • @Steadierpark
      @Steadierpark Год назад

      @@1hasbeen531 yeah I bet. I just do it for good measure kind of like changing my fluids/filters early lol.

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад +9

      idling down your turbo can be done in like 20 - 30 seconds. its not the hot oil that's the issues. its that your turbo is spinning still at very high rpm without oil being fed to it when you turn the engine off. once the turbo is spun down you can turn off the truck.

  • @godsdozer
    @godsdozer 8 месяцев назад

    I gave my 2012 some extra After Treatment.............. been perfect since.

  • @jnk26
    @jnk26 Год назад +6

    The issues without using SCR was a high EGR stratagy. Maxxforce and cummins were the only ones that did it. More EGR lowers the in-cylinder temps. The motors ran hot al the time. A serious issue for the current 6.7 Cummins has that awful grid heater bolt that falls into a cylinder. Many trucks are facing that killer. PD diesel had 4 2020-2022 trucks have it happen all in the span of 8 months. Idle time should be the equivient time you need to build air pressure(about 2 mins). Its illegal to modify the exhaust on any vehicle with a GVWR over 10,001lbs. Its a federal offence to remove the exhaust DPF, SCR, DOC. They will make you put a brand new system back onto the truck, or make you scrap it. EPA is getting crazy, MNR is cracing down in canada too.

    • @h8troodoh
      @h8troodoh Год назад

      You mean MOE.. Minister of Environment. Don't you?

    • @Steadierpark
      @Steadierpark Год назад

      They are coming after shops. The cops could care less, 99% of them are on our side.

    • @GettysGarage
      @GettysGarage  Год назад +2

      yes agree the high EGR strategy was not a great idea looking back lol but It truly is getting a little crazy. In Ontario if we were caught working on a deleted truck the shop itself would face heavy fines, mechanics were threatened to lose licenses. getting out of hand.

  • @Nicholas-im8bd
    @Nicholas-im8bd Год назад

    And whatever update to the ecu they put on you Cummins after installing the cp3... makes it real iffy with tunes being flashed on it. Always a caveat

  • @douglasarmey6444
    @douglasarmey6444 Год назад +4

    Great series and reviews. Question. I know you clearly state that idling any of the current big 3 diesels is really bad for the engine/after treatment systems but maybe you can expand on this. All 3 manufacturers have built in high idle capabilities using the cruise up/down buttons to change the idle RPM's. Is there one of these engines that can better tolerate extended idling using increased RPM's on the high idle switching? If so, what rpm is most appropriate to set it at. I travel with a dog that needs air conditioning and sometimes I need to keep her in the truck for a couple hours while I work at a job site and need to idle the engine to keep the cab cool. Any help with this?

    • @douglasarmey6444
      @douglasarmey6444 Год назад +1

      Does anyone have any thoughts or insights on this?

    • @rileyduff3400
      @rileyduff3400 Год назад

      How much boost does your truck make at high idle with max air conditioning on? I think that if it’s working/making some boost it’s keeping it warmer than idle, probably less harmful than standard idle.

  • @metaspencer
    @metaspencer Год назад +1

    interesting discussion man ... thanks for posting

  • @mikeadam6776
    @mikeadam6776 Год назад +1

    The biggest problem with these engines is the people buying them use them like a gas style truck. The diesel was intended to be used as a work truck and not the family/ soccer mom car.

  • @melgreer104
    @melgreer104 Год назад +8

    Bring on the REGEN video !

  • @davidkean6985
    @davidkean6985 7 месяцев назад

    Hello. Great video. This may be a dumb ?, but, could we possibly add a DPF before the EGR valve? I do understand that is one more "thing". I get that. But how about a super simple filter changed out like an oil filter. Or, something we can change in 10 minutes for $20. Even like every 1,000 miles or when needed.

  • @jondrew55
    @jondrew55 2 месяца назад

    So basically, if you're not hauling stuff don't get a diesel. My RAM 2500 gets to haul our camper for the most part. I will occasionally drive to my work (~25 miles each way), so the engine does get hot, but not like when pulling an 8,000 pound trailer. Yes it's true that emissions control equipment is the most frequent issue with diesels. And maybe the government could do a better job if mandating performance, not prescriptive, mandated equipment.

  • @possumpopper89
    @possumpopper89 Год назад

    I want to see somebody perform exhaust analyzing during the re-gen cycle so that we know how much pollution the trucks are putting out.

  • @jamesbaxter2812
    @jamesbaxter2812 7 месяцев назад

    You are talking about the turbo. So when you turn off the key. Is there anything to keep the motor running till it cools down. Safe to stop the engine

  • @toofastnobrakes
    @toofastnobrakes Год назад +1

    If you haven’t already. Could you do a video like this on the ram 6.4 hemi?

  • @wilk128
    @wilk128 6 часов назад

    Top 3 issues:
    1 exhaust particulate filter
    2 DEF
    3 Exhaust Gas Recirculation

  • @jmonte58
    @jmonte58 Год назад +1

    Hey brother I have a 2018 Ram 2500 truck and I’m going to install a Banks Monster-Ram intake system and inter cooler upgrade I would like to know your thoughts on the install so let me know thanks.

  • @DavidGeerlings
    @DavidGeerlings Месяц назад

    Great video and advice. What EGT would you recommend before you shut down the engine?

  • @outdoor_ready9671
    @outdoor_ready9671 5 месяцев назад

    How about a comparison video on difficulty to change EGR and dpf between the big three diesels brands.

  • @perryp7756
    @perryp7756 8 месяцев назад

    Very interesting video, I know you mentioned about the CP 4 pump, Way I understand it is that pump was designed for diesels in Europe, we have a different fuel standard here, and also there is an ongoing class action lawsuit with GM about the CP 4 pump on the Duramax diesels, and there was one with Chrysler too or ram, and they lost the lawsuit and that’s why they are replacing them… I think all the emission BS should be eliminated and run them on a different fuel source, I had a 5/9 Cummins for 20 years and it would run on “if I remember right seven different types of fuel