Done ok mate difficult with a 410 I have a 410 pump they are a very tight pattern probably a foot at the most so you have to be bang on and reasonably close enjoyed the vid I also subscribed cheers 👍👍
Thanks, after looking at the ShotKam footage I was underneath the birds but the lead was spot on, I'm hoping that a comb raiser will sort it out 👍. Thanks for subscribing.
I have owned several 12 bore guns and also a couple of .410 over the past 50 years and I found that the .410 cartridge I was using were very fast which meant that I only needed to be a foot in front of the beak on lead at 30 yards, increasing a little more with distance. Your best shots seem to be where you are a foot in front of the beak probably because the birds are quite slow. With a 12 gauge cartridge (28 grams ) the shot string is longer/ slower and I could give a yard lead (swinging through) at least at 30 yards and still get a clean kill. Hitting high pheasants (over 50 yards) needs at least 3 yards lead to catch them in the shot string, which of course at that distance is longer again. Also the .410 seem to be tighter pattern so you need to be bang on the line of flight. It looks like you are missing in front due to these fast cartridges pushing all the shot in a shorter string at 30 yards, meaning you need less lead at that distance. Notice how the birds are able to flinch backwards sometimes. The .410 is quite tight. I think 30 minutes of crossing clays and you would get the feel of that new .410. Best of luck, its just practice.
Thank you for your comment, I understand what you are saying, but I have been using a 410 myself for 35 years and can use the single barrel to good effect, it's the drainpipe on the end and having to hold your head off the stock that has been my problem (very unnatural). I have pattern plated it and at 20 yards 90% of my shot is below the centre. 👍
I’m a subscriber and have watched a lot of your other videos - you’re a good shot and the more you use it the better you will get. There looked to be about 20 birds down and they weren’t 20 flukes - it’s just difficult to acquire the knack but once you do it’s a seriously useful tool and enables you to shoot in places otherwise off limits.
Thanks Graham but it was very frustrating knowing that I would have been killing a lot more with one of my other guns, after looking at the ShotKam footage I was underneath most of the birds, I'm hoping that a comb raiser will sort out the problem 🤞
I know that frustration I had the Hushpower Baikal single barrel first and that left me totally frustrated after a lifetime of O/U or semi’s. I think the Combe raiser will make a difference - the sight picture causes these gun to shoot low so 🤞 it’ll improve things.👍👍.
Hi bud you did reasonably well mossy,s are a pig to shoot at first.I have found most shoot a bit low.If you look at your footage your misses are mostly underneath.Dont use subsonic cartridges get yourself some Eley Trap 7.5 3" Magnum or 3" Magnum fibre in 6 or 7 .You also are probably on full choke too.Most effective range 25/30 yards max to start.Also the moderator knackers the straight down the barrel line of sight.When I had mine I used a 3mm drill bit on the flat edge bottom of the silencer facing you just above the rib to make a small indent which I painted red (degrease /hammerlite smooth red paint).Keep both eyes open just use the dot as a reference don't aim with it.Get it patterned try my mod to start use tippex (non permanent).They are a cracking little gun but take some getting used to.Ask your local clay ground if you can use it on some close stands crossers /going away/straight on climbing etc most grounds have pay/play stands.Gun safety must be be top draw either bagged or open and empty.Everybody,s build is different check your gun fit.Good luck it will be an adventure for sure get it patterned.All the best.Tony
@@shootingwithanthony3496 Nice to hear what did you find where the best cartridges and what range do you stick to?.You never stop learning in this sport that's for sure.Stay safe all the best.Tony
@@tonyashton780 hi Tony I am using Hull high pheasants 19g 6's, been killing the pigeons consistently out to 30 yards, haven't tried them on the crows yet 👍
@@shootingwithanthony3496 Good cartridge tbf my little Investarm loves the Eley Trap 7.5 best shot to date a huge Rook at just over 30 yards.I wish some cartridge manafacture could produce a non toxic for us small bore boys.Have to be heavy shot in 7 in a bio degradable wad 3" case with a fast powder ,not impossible just cost?.Who knows .All the best bud.Tony
Nice video .if I may add a couple of things .(I shoot .410 hushpower in a few forms ) Raise the combe - without they shoot low . The porting on the barrel of those guns reduces the effective barrel length to 16 inches from 24 so the speeds of the cartridge is reduced .the porting can really open up the pattern past 20 yds with a fibre wad (a plas wad cart does better especially one with a full cup like the fiocchi or hull cartridge .high pheasant .) And last but not least reduce your range to inside 25 yds . Also don't use eley subs they are useless.
Thanks Stuart, glad you liked the video, I have raised the comb now and I am using the Hull high pheasants and getting on a lot better 👍 thanks for the advice 👍
All about pattern Ant. (Patterns kill.) A 410 only throws a little bit of shot, and generally needs a tighter choke. Hence, very small, tight little pattern on target. From the shot cam, you were leading as you would with a 12 gauge. (Missed in front) With a 410, you have to be bang on them to kill - Which you did in some shots! I would not use less than a 20 bore on fast flying targets. Stick with what you know and trust matey! Really good video though. Just goes to show that we all have bad days! (For whatever reason!!!!) TTFN
Cheers for the advice, however when I got home I looked at the ShotKam footage and slowed it down and I could see that the lead was spot on but I was underneath most of the birds which I missed often just clipping them with the top edge of the pattern 👍
I have just recently bought a .410 mossberg hushpower as well and I struggled too! I added some weight in the stock and got some stock spacers too to add some length to the stock so I mimicked the length and fitting of my usual 12 gauges and I soon started hitting them, also try all different .410 cartridges, I started with 14g 6s gamebore cartridges and they hit hard but had a very small pattern so now I’m on 19g 5.5s gamebore subsonics and they seem to hit just as hard and the pattern is a lot bigger, practice makes perfect just do not shoot it like a 12 because it just will not work!
Thanks, after looking at the ShotKam footage I was underneath most of the birds, so I am going to raise the comb to see if that helps 👍I was using 19g 6's so nothing wrong with the cartridges 👍
Thought you were fin front of them, but you did have some good shots in between, jackdaws do all kinds of air flips, ducking and diving so don’t be to hard on yourself, 👏👏
Thanks David, after looking at the ShotKam footage when I got home it showed that I was underneath most of the birds which is down to the gun fit not the lead, hopefully have that sorted for next time 👍
You looked to be just in front of a lot of them. If you look at other shotkam footage on youtube you'll see that crows need very little forward allowance. Great video, love the .410!
Thanks, when I went through the footage and slowed it down I could see that the lead was correct but I was shooting underneath, been using a single barrel for 35 years, I love the smaller gauges 👍
Good video Anthony if you had edited all your misses it wouldn't have bin very long you got abit better as the session went on you will have to have another practice on them barn pigeons.
I bought a Mossy Hushpower, could not hit a smegging thing. I may as well have thrown the cartridges at the birds. Got very frustrated and lost a huge amount of confidence in my abilities. Sold it and got an over under 20 bore hushpower, not much better, plus it was bleedin heavy. Now I have a single barrel Pedretti 20 bore and since adding a home made comb raiser, so that I am looking up the barrel and not along it, I'm doing quite well and have found my confidence again. It's well worth doing some pattern testing as you'll be surprised how low it shoots and how tight the pattern is, you need to be a lot more accurate I find. This is only my opinion and experience, I know a lot of people get on very well with these guns. Best of luck.
Thanks for letting me know of your experience it is very much appreciated, the accuracy part of using the small gauges shouldn't be an issue for me as I use a single shot 410 and a 28ga very regularly and have done for years with a lot of success, it is just the gun fit that I think is the problem, I'm just not used to looking down a drainpipe. I'm going to try a comb raiser, hopefully that will help 👍
I had a single shot Hushpower & I had to re-calibrate what was a shootable bird back to no further than 20m & ideally 10-15m Not sure if these will be redundant soon as they are full choke hence no steel shot possible.
Hi bud yes I am dreading that but I don't see why for pest control we can't keep lead.Steel for edible/food chain I can understand.Other option is heavy shot 6 or 7 in a biodegradable plas wad but cost wise ?????no need to lose the .410 it's an awesome calibre in the right hands just remember 25 yards 30 on a good day.
Who knows what the future holds in store for us shooters, I'm just going to carry on enjoying it as long as I can 👍 at least we'll still have my videos to watch 🤣
The ones you did not hit by look at your shotkam footage you was shooting over the top try shooting at a pair of legs under the birds each one you did hit you was just under the bird and do not give them to much lead.
Thanks for your comment, when I got home I looked at the ShotKam footage and slowed it down and I could see the shot pass underneath the birds with the correct lead often just clipping the underside of the birds with the top edge of the pattern 👍
Thanks, you are right, I was underneath most of them, I have put a comb raiser on the gun, hopefully that will sort out the problem, your right, you can't hit them all but I should have had a lot more 👍
You should use more camo, no visable bare skin, crows wouldnt recognize you till you start shooting and you would have more straight liners, less curling birds Get used to the gun!!!! there a lot of missed chances for second shot or doubles
@@shootingwithanthony3496 You do a fine job on your own, and don't need my help. I am glad you enjoyed my good intended humor. With the .410 you may hit them but not bring them down. I enjoyed the video.
Done ok mate difficult with a 410 I have a 410 pump they are a very tight pattern probably a foot at the most so you have to be bang on and reasonably close enjoyed the vid I also subscribed cheers 👍👍
Thanks, after looking at the ShotKam footage I was underneath the birds but the lead was spot on, I'm hoping that a comb raiser will sort it out 👍. Thanks for subscribing.
well done mate another great little vid, going out myself tonight with 17 hmr clearing some rabbits at a local farm 👍👍👍
Pleased you liked the video, hope you gave the rabbits some stick 👍
I have owned several 12 bore guns and also a couple of .410 over the past 50 years and I found that the .410 cartridge I was using were very fast which meant that I only needed to be a foot in front of the beak on lead at 30 yards, increasing a little more with distance. Your best shots seem to be where you are a foot in front of the beak probably because the birds are quite slow.
With a 12 gauge cartridge (28 grams ) the shot string is longer/ slower and I could give a yard lead (swinging through) at least at 30 yards and still get a clean kill. Hitting high pheasants (over 50 yards) needs at least 3 yards lead to catch them in the shot string, which of course at that distance is longer again.
Also the .410 seem to be tighter pattern so you need to be bang on the line of flight. It looks like you are missing in front due to these fast cartridges pushing all the shot in a shorter string at 30 yards, meaning you need less lead at that distance. Notice how the birds are able to flinch backwards sometimes. The .410 is quite tight.
I think 30 minutes of crossing clays and you would get the feel of that new .410. Best of luck, its just practice.
Thank you for your comment, I understand what you are saying, but I have been using a 410 myself for 35 years and can use the single barrel to good effect, it's the drainpipe on the end and having to hold your head off the stock that has been my problem (very unnatural). I have pattern plated it and at 20 yards 90% of my shot is below the centre. 👍
I’m a subscriber and have watched a lot of your other videos - you’re a good shot and the more you use it the better you will get. There looked to be about 20 birds down and they weren’t 20 flukes - it’s just difficult to acquire the knack but once you do it’s a seriously useful tool and enables you to shoot in places otherwise off limits.
Thanks Graham but it was very frustrating knowing that I would have been killing a lot more with one of my other guns, after looking at the ShotKam footage I was underneath most of the birds, I'm hoping that a comb raiser will sort out the problem 🤞
I know that frustration I had the Hushpower Baikal single barrel first and that left me totally frustrated after a lifetime of O/U or semi’s. I think the Combe raiser will make a difference - the sight
picture causes these gun to shoot low so 🤞 it’ll improve things.👍👍.
@@grahamedwards9920 I hope you right and it works, we will see next week 👍
Hello Anthony
New caliber new habit to take, it seems to be grouped relatively strong. Very good job and with practice you will be excellent. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you, let's hope I get the hang of it soon 🤞we will find out in the next video 👍
Great video mate and a lovely new gun
Cheers buddy 👍
I found a comb riser helped me, but you seem to have got the hang of it!
Thanks, I already have one ordered for it, after watching the ShotKam footage I was underneath nearly all of the ones I missed 👍
Hi bud you did reasonably well mossy,s are a pig to shoot at first.I have found most shoot a bit low.If you look at your footage your misses are mostly underneath.Dont use subsonic cartridges get yourself some Eley Trap 7.5 3" Magnum or 3" Magnum fibre in 6 or 7 .You also are probably on full choke too.Most effective range 25/30 yards max to start.Also the moderator knackers the straight down the barrel line of sight.When I had mine I used a 3mm drill bit on the flat edge bottom of the silencer facing you just above the rib to make a small indent which I painted red (degrease /hammerlite smooth red paint).Keep both eyes open just use the dot as a reference don't aim with it.Get it patterned try my mod to start use tippex (non permanent).They are a cracking little gun but take some getting used to.Ask your local clay ground if you can use it on some close stands crossers /going away/straight on climbing etc most grounds have pay/play stands.Gun safety must be be top draw either bagged or open and empty.Everybody,s build is different check your gun fit.Good luck it will be an adventure for sure get it patterned.All the best.Tony
Thanks Tony, I have now raised the comb and I am getting on very well with it now 👍
@@shootingwithanthony3496 Nice to hear what did you find where the best cartridges and what range do you stick to?.You never stop learning in this sport that's for sure.Stay safe all the best.Tony
@@tonyashton780 hi Tony I am using Hull high pheasants 19g 6's, been killing the pigeons consistently out to 30 yards, haven't tried them on the crows yet 👍
@@shootingwithanthony3496 Good cartridge tbf my little Investarm loves the Eley Trap 7.5 best shot to date a huge Rook at just over 30 yards.I wish some cartridge manafacture could produce a non toxic for us small bore boys.Have to be heavy shot in 7 in a bio degradable wad 3" case with a fast powder ,not impossible just cost?.Who knows .All the best bud.Tony
Hi Anthony, did you get the comb raiser? how is it? may I ask what one you got please?
Nice video .if I may add a couple of things .(I shoot .410 hushpower in a few forms )
Raise the combe - without they shoot low .
The porting on the barrel of those guns reduces the effective barrel length to 16 inches from 24 so the speeds of the cartridge is reduced .the porting can really open up the pattern past 20 yds with a fibre wad (a plas wad cart does better especially one with a full cup like the fiocchi or hull cartridge .high pheasant .)
And last but not least reduce your range to inside 25 yds .
Also don't use eley subs they are useless.
Thanks Stuart, glad you liked the video, I have raised the comb now and I am using the Hull high pheasants and getting on a lot better 👍 thanks for the advice 👍
All about pattern Ant. (Patterns kill.)
A 410 only throws a little bit of shot, and generally needs a tighter choke. Hence, very small, tight little pattern on target.
From the shot cam, you were leading as you would with a 12 gauge. (Missed in front)
With a 410, you have to be bang on them to kill - Which you did in some shots!
I would not use less than a 20 bore on fast flying targets.
Stick with what you know and trust matey!
Really good video though. Just goes to show that we all have bad days! (For whatever reason!!!!)
TTFN
Cheers for the advice, however when I got home I looked at the ShotKam footage and slowed it down and I could see that the lead was spot on but I was underneath most of the birds which I missed often just clipping them with the top edge of the pattern 👍
Good O matey 👍
I have just recently bought a .410 mossberg hushpower as well and I struggled too! I added some weight in the stock and got some stock spacers too to add some length to the stock so I mimicked the length and fitting of my usual 12 gauges and I soon started hitting them, also try all different .410 cartridges, I started with 14g 6s gamebore cartridges and they hit hard but had a very small pattern so now I’m on 19g 5.5s gamebore subsonics and they seem to hit just as hard and the pattern is a lot bigger, practice makes perfect just do not shoot it like a 12 because it just will not work!
Thanks, after looking at the ShotKam footage I was underneath most of the birds, so I am going to raise the comb to see if that helps 👍I was using 19g 6's so nothing wrong with the cartridges 👍
@@shootingwithanthony3496 it should do, good luck mate I look forward to more videos using the hushpower 👌
@@theparttimeparttimekeeper4263 cheers pal hopefully will be plenty more to come 👍
Thought you were fin front of them, but you did have some good shots in between, jackdaws do all kinds of air flips, ducking and diving so don’t be to hard on yourself, 👏👏
Thanks David, after looking at the ShotKam footage when I got home it showed that I was underneath most of the birds which is down to the gun fit not the lead, hopefully have that sorted for next time 👍
You looked to be just in front of a lot of them. If you look at other shotkam footage on youtube you'll see that crows need very little forward allowance. Great video, love the .410!
Thanks, when I went through the footage and slowed it down I could see that the lead was correct but I was shooting underneath, been using a single barrel for 35 years, I love the smaller gauges 👍
hi mate it looks to me like the gun shoots a bit low ,if you look at the shot cam footage when you fired at those on the ground .
I agree with you mate after getting home and looking at the ShotKam footage I have ordered a comb raiser which will hopefully sort out the problem 👍
Good video Anthony if you had edited all your misses it wouldn't have bin very long you got abit better as the session went on you will have to have another practice on them barn pigeons.
Cheers Stephen, them ferals will be next on the list once I have sorted the corvids 👍
I bought a Mossy Hushpower, could not hit a smegging thing. I may as well have thrown the cartridges at the birds. Got very frustrated and lost a huge amount of confidence in my abilities. Sold it and got an over under 20 bore hushpower, not much better, plus it was bleedin heavy. Now I have a single barrel Pedretti 20 bore and since adding a home made comb raiser, so that I am looking up the barrel and not along it, I'm doing quite well and have found my confidence again. It's well worth doing some pattern testing as you'll be surprised how low it shoots and how tight the pattern is, you need to be a lot more accurate I find. This is only my opinion and experience, I know a lot of people get on very well with these guns. Best of luck.
Thanks for letting me know of your experience it is very much appreciated, the accuracy part of using the small gauges shouldn't be an issue for me as I use a single shot 410 and a 28ga very regularly and have done for years with a lot of success, it is just the gun fit that I think is the problem, I'm just not used to looking down a drainpipe. I'm going to try a comb raiser, hopefully that will help 👍
Shot 27 yesterday should of been 47 shot awful but still enjoyable great vid pal 👍
Always good to be out mate, pleased you liked the video 👍
Muy buenas cazerias amigos🇪🇨🇪🇨🇪🇨👍
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I’m considering getting a 410 for this exact reason c CG oils be a short stock mate
They are good tools for that job, just need to play with the fitting as it shoots low 👍
@@shootingwithanthony3496 I noticed that in the vid mate
I had a single shot Hushpower & I had to re-calibrate what was a shootable bird back to no further than 20m & ideally 10-15m Not sure if these will be redundant soon as they are full choke hence no steel shot possible.
Hi bud yes I am dreading that but I don't see why for pest control we can't keep lead.Steel for edible/food chain I can understand.Other option is heavy shot 6 or 7 in a biodegradable plas wad but cost wise ?????no need to lose the .410 it's an awesome calibre in the right hands just remember 25 yards 30 on a good day.
Who knows what the future holds in store for us shooters, I'm just going to carry on enjoying it as long as I can 👍 at least we'll still have my videos to watch 🤣
@@shootingwithanthony3496 Very true could be future classics bud.
go and pattern the gun see where its shooting but bear in mind the pattern will be only small pal
Your right I know it will have a small pattern, I have since checked and I am shooting low with it 👍
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Not the easiest to shoot mate,I have a .410 and couldn't hit a pig in an alley. You did pretty well in my book. Keep up the vids👍
The ones you did not hit by look at your shotkam footage you was shooting over the top try shooting at a pair of legs under the birds each one you did hit you was just under the bird and do not give them to much lead.
Thanks for your comment, when I got home I looked at the ShotKam footage and slowed it down and I could see the shot pass underneath the birds with the correct lead often just clipping the underside of the birds with the top edge of the pattern 👍
You were underneath a lot of them the close ones flapping to land you need to aim right at them still a good days shooting you can't hit them all.
Thanks, you are right, I was underneath most of them, I have put a comb raiser on the gun, hopefully that will sort out the problem, your right, you can't hit them all but I should have had a lot more 👍
I use a 20 bore around the dairy unit a 410 just doesn’t have the killing power
That's surprising as I have a single barrelled 410 and with the right cartridges it has plenty of killing power 👍
You should use more camo, no visable bare skin, crows wouldnt recognize you till you start shooting and you would have more straight liners, less curling birds
Get used to the gun!!!! there a lot of missed chances for second shot or doubles
Try shooting right handed
😂😂I prefer to use the correct shoulder 👍
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You do a fine job on your own, and don't need my help. I am glad you enjoyed my good intended humor. With the .410 you may hit them but not bring them down. I enjoyed the video.
@@bryanshelton2826 cheers pal, I do try and take comments in a light hearted way but not always easy when reading text 👍