The Future of US Foreign Policy: An Asian NATO
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Hey Madlads! Today (two days late, I know), I'm discussing a new strategy for foreign policy the United States may wish to pursue: an Asian NATO alliance. With the growth of China, many American allies in the region are worried they will be overrun by the Asian giant. So, what is the best course of action to deter this possibility? Find out in this video.
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POTATO - Pacific Ocean Truce Asian Treaty Organization
Lmao
Giga brain comment
or POATO - Pacific Ocean Asian Treaty Organization
Trucem
Or PATO=Pacific Atlantic Treaty Organization Or OATO=Oceanic Atlantic Treaty Organization
Indonesia: hmm i like neutral
* China get fish from natuna sea *
Indonesia: nvm
Fun Fact:In September of 1954, the United States, France, Great Britain, New Zealand, Australia, the Philippines, Thailand and Pakistan formed the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization, or SEATO. SEATO Meeting in Manila. The purpose of the organization was to prevent communism from gaining ground in the region.
Seato is a terrible name ngl
It failed
Well, they are very advance thinker.
Yeah but it was dismantled coz of the Vietnam War. The France left coz they don't want to support the US against Vietnam and also Pakistan for having conflicts against India and the US don't want to support them. It was ended after Vietnam war but France, UK, US, Australia, Philippines and New Zealand remains partners in military exercises and great allies until today. US, UK and France still on NATO though.
Having Vietnamese-immigrant parents, these topics come up a lot. Also, the fact that you brought in overviews of other countries (population pyramids, etc.) and sociological factors is much appreciated! I knew a lot of these facts, but tying them together really made me see extra perspectives, which is pretty cool.
Also, Singapore's too cool for school lmao, like the Vatican City of Asia.
I hope we see that soon, it’d be really cool. Nice video as always!
Great video. Being and Australian i found it very accurate and well researched. My personal thinking is that Indonesia will become the most important player in this global game.
Agreed. They could go either way honestly, and it’s very important for the survival of the alliance that Indonesia sticks with it
Support from UK. Our American cousins always strive for the Truth.
Technically the U.K. is our mother country so.
We suck a lot but we are trying. US and America are family
@@joenichols3901 haha. God loves a tryer Joe! Dont we all but we get back up.
this Oz reckons, blood is thicker than water. God save Charlie our king
You missed QUAD security alliance. Countries like India,Japan and australia are more likely to take anti china stance than south korea,malaysia and indonesia who will always try to make neutral stance.
QUAD is not a security alliance like NATO. It's just a dialogue group. They only "Talk" about security and other issues in Asia-Pacific. Its not a defence Alliance.
@@Hannan_1325 Well, they don't just "talk", there is also Exercise Malabar, defence cooperation and QUAD Plus. However, it is definitely not a NATO-style alliance, and we here in India definitely don't want something like that anyway.
@@Naveen-tq7cg That was the whole point. BecUse in termz of East and West, we differ who our partners are. For Example Australia is best friends with US but we are best friends with Russia. And hence nothing will happen in terms of defense when it comes to quad.
@@Hannan_1325 dude Russia is such an unreliable partner. The partnership made sense during the 2007 cryogenic engine sale, but since 2012, the government has been trying to reduce our dependence on them. India is better off staying neutral, with strategic partners globally, but without being tied to an alliance.
@@Naveen-tq7cg Yesh, Russia is so unreliable that they sent nuclear submarines in 1971 to ward of the US and UK Destroyers who came in support of pakistan in the bay of bengal during the Bangladesh liberation. They supported us at UN for kashmir issues multiple time. They used their Veto power to scram off US and other western partners. They keep helping us all the time. Russia is the one friend who helped is in our dire times. Why should we forget that ? The west forgets their friends, not India. We always keep our friends in our hearts who helped in our worst times.
As a greek, i do not agree on the later parts of the video. Greece loves the US and sees it as a great ally against turkish agression and both cooperate very good.
Oh, I had an impression that at least a large part of Greece did not have a positive view of American influence. It is true that Greece and Russia has positive relations though, right?
@@MadMacGeopolitics Not really. While there is a belief that the "blond nation" will save us, most greeks do not have faith in russia but rather see it as an agressive country who wants to take over. What bonds greeks and russians is religion and tradition, but in geopolitics they are on different teams
@@Veriox22 ahh interesting. Thanks for this info
I am Turkish but I love Greece. We fought together during the Korean War as a part of the Western alliance. Love Greece from Turkey.
@@howard6340 The USA never fought a war alone against powerful nations. Please feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong. Even with the participation of USA's vassal countries, they were defeated in the Korean War, Vietnam war and Afghanistan war.
that would change ballance of the power in that region but i hope we can see that in the future
You WAY overestimate Southeast-Asian countries. First of all, there is a large Chinese diaspora within Southeast Asia that has overwhelming amounts of economic influence and are significant minorities in Malaysia. It is highly likely that any geopolitical bloc to counter-China will result in heightened ethnic tensions, and also weaken the already flimsy national allegiances of the Han diaspora. We aren't called the Jews of Southeast Asia for no reason. There is also the economic ties and the failure of the US at the Scarborough shoal. For most South-East Asian countries, the plurality of trade and investment generally comes from China, though there are exceptions. This makes any alliance difficult to manage, as the economic interests of certain states clash with others. Not to mention, the US has failed to defend Filipino territory before, causing the perception of the US to be increasingly negative. No one really thinks the US will actually come to their aid. Hence why Duterte has switched strategies and instead is trying to balance China and the US to get as much out of both as possible. Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia and Thailand are also dependent on rivers that originate from China, meaning its only a matter of time before resistance against China becomes suicidal. Less true for Thailand, most true for the other 3, and its partially the case for India as well. Only Indonesia would have the ability to be a true regional power much like Japan and India, and stand up to China. But the issue is that most of Southeast Asia is also ethnically diverse, compared to China's 91% Han majority(which is NOT diverse, people who say that aren't Chinese, no Han thinks being 25% Hakka makes them not Han), most of the people whom belong to the "Malay Race" don't entirely get along, and those aren't the only groups living in South East Asia, maintaining sovereignty for a state as large as Indonesia is already quite the challenge and with how diverse Malaysia and the Philippines are, our social capital is quite low. Besides that the Philippines, and Malaysia have trash militaries and everyone besides Singapore has a somewhat outdated one.
You also overestimate the effects of China's declining population. It is a problem, it will likely reduce China's ability to exert influence outwards, and it will have societal strains, but in the long run it won't cause state failure. Again China is ethnically quite homogeneous, with a high degree of social capital like most other East Asian nations. They've got a lower murder rate than the US yet US citizens are 3.6x richer....................important point for the third and final point, and ultimately they've got an average IQ of 105, way higher than that of their surrounding neighbors minus East Asian majority countries. This means that living standards will likely continue to improve and China likely will become a high income economy. The sort of collapse people predict is unlikely to happen, what will probably happen is a period of instability and uncertainty due to the low fertility rate, and a weakening of China's economic influence but overall no regional power has the demographics to actually beat China except maybe India, and even then, they suffer from a number of insurgencies, have an average IQ of like 88, and even then their birthrate has been free falling much like the rest of the world, they are at 2.22 in 2018, by 2025-2030 their birthrates will probably also fall below replacement rate and they are partially dependent on China's water and China is India's largest trade partner. They've also got Pakistan to their West, a nuclear power economically dependent on China and water that China can control(the Indus river). India will be a rival no doubt but nowhere near that of the US, whose geography makes it effectively an impenetrable fortress.
And finally, you overestimate the US. Ethnic diversity lowers social capital, and the US is RACIALLY diverse, right now Europeans are roughly 68% of the population and due to immigration and birthrates, that's only going to decrease. As that decreases, the US will see a decline in social cohesion, and a rise in social unrest. We are seeing the preludes today, BLM is not some social justice movement, it is a stridently Black Nationalist movement. The Israel Lobby dominates foreign policy in the Middle East. I could go on. The US has a murder rate higher than China and its far richer. This shouldn't be the case. And the people with higher birthrates aren't Europeans, its Blacks and Latin Americans, average IQs being 85 and 89 respectively. Sure China's ageing demography will strain society, but what the US is going through is quite frankly suicidal. And India is in somewhat of a similar situation. I don't believe China will gain global hegemony, but the US sure as hell won't be keeping it, it will inevitably have to turn inwards as national allegiance, social cohesion, and political will disintegrates. China will likely have to contend with regional rivals like India, Indonesia and Japan in its periphery, but other than that it will probably have hegemony of South, South-East, and East Asia. Russia too, Russian birthrates are tanking, in a few decades its projected that ethnic Russians will by around 50% of the Russian population, and those demographics again suggest social collapse, making Russia unable to exert influence outwards. Unless those demographic trends in Russia change, it probably won't be able to challenge China in any meaningful way.
I think either of these two things will happen, the US loses global hegemony and China gains regional hegemony, or the US loses global hegemony and China, Indonesia, Japan and India each gain a slice of Asia as their spheres of influence. I don't believe an Asian NATO would last, especially after the Scarborough shoal incident.
appreciate your insights ! well written
Most of time iq
Is not a practical way to know someones intelligence and average iq of a nation can change with time
Indonesia is vehemently neutral in issues like this, so I doubt that my country would even consider joining an asian NATO. (Our Bebas Aktif, free and active, foreign policy is why)
It must be remembered that an asian NATO was attempted (SEATO) and my country was offered membership many times but refused because of our preference to not take sides.
Why you ask? Simply put, our sheer size, geographical position and importance is a very lucrative geopolitical win for any power looking to influence the region.
Therefore, we have concluded that, in order to prevent great power struggles in our part of the world, Indonesia must remain neutral.
If anyone's interested this Wikipedia article explains Indonesia's foreign policy very well:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Indonesia
Bebas Aktif is like "dress well & look polite when the neighbors come to visit" indo thing used as FP move.
Nope you can't stay neutral forever. There will be time when both China and US will demand Indonesia's stance on which side does Indonesia choose.
@@fuehrer_tb5597 eummm... Switzerland?
@@samanthasivannia1887 Funnily enough look at Switzerland now, the Russo-Ukrainian war is really something.
@@samanthasivannia1887 Switzerland is too small for anyone to bother, our position is more similar to Turkiye in this case, wanna be independent internationally but we hold way too many important check points to be be neutral, we'll be forced to pick sides if things keep escalating
The defense discussions in Sweden are changing quite a bit these days actually. There is a 50/50 split to join nato and there is a majority in parliament for a quick joining of NATO if necessary, conscription has been reintroduced, and the military budget is increasing in 4-year settlements and investments.
A lot of people regrets abandoning conscription. Sweden has never been closer to joining NATO and is in my opinion another US democratic president away, and a right wing government away (support is always larger for joining NATO when we like the current US president, that said support has been steadily increasing over the years, and opposition and neutrality on the issue decreasing.). Its pretty much a left-wing (70% against) right-wing (70% for) issue with nationalists split down the middle on whether to join. Sweden and Finland joining nato at the same time is not that unlikely these days
It`ll be a Great Union! :)
I agree, the cooperation of this alliance and the European NATO will be vital
As an indian..this is highly optimistic..the thing is indians and Indian beureaucracy or political power both in power or opposition do not like the way mostly because of America's past in middle east.. however the thing that us military will hold bases om Indian soil will also going to create massive problem in Indian internal politics....and would be disaster ...
Interesting take
If there is one thing that unites India today even more than Modi, its China. We will pivot 180 as we are already starting to do. Unlike NATO, asian NATO countries like India and Vietnam will hold their own and allow operational integration and access to each other's navy and air force bases, which already has happened and evolve further. How much further, now that depends on China's future actions.
India will support US and it's allies if the enemy is China. US is shifting it's policy towards India and if it helps India become self reliant on defense then India won't have to keep Russia happy anymore and can choose a side.
@@sibimathen1451 For most countries in East and South East Asia, the decision of America or China is an easy one.
Although, those countries would prefer to hold off answering that question as long as possible.
Man I'm never this early. Excellent Vid!!!
Very interesting. Great video!
Asian Nato will be headed by India since the Asian Nato will most likely form after a decade in which time India will be the 3rd largest economy and $10 T plus GDP with exceptionally powerful defense
Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand & Singapore has high percentage of Mandarin speakers. Don’t think US plan will achieved anything.
The USA has the highest % of Mandarin speakers outside of asia so think again
Well indonesian chinese are more nationalist then us
Are U kidding me? All of my Chinese-Indonesian friends even can't pass the Mandarin test 🤣
@@samanthasivannia1887 I don't pas English test too but I can still reply your comment
@@iamgreat1234 cuz you're not English native right? Likewise with the Chinese in Southeast Asia. They are not native to China, so they won't support a country that doesn't feed them. Do you think that there are no people of Chinese descent who became soldiers in their respective countries?
India and Indonesia think of themselves as potential great power thus they aren't going to allies themselves with US. In fact like Russia & PRC they wanted a multipolar world. But since they are currently not to strong they need US help to contained China.
Vietnam are too close to China and are invaded by China multiple times that they would likely follow Finland previous policy of no formal alliances.
There are already a mini Asian nato already as Australia, NZ,UK, Singapore & Malaysia are part of five power defense agreement.
Indonesia - a great power?? LMFAOO
India GDP $3.9 trillion Indonesia $1.3 trillion - India has indigenized space and defense industry, Indonesia none - how can you compare?
@@dzec024India is capable of things. India can do anything China can but at a smaller scale as of now. It can change in the future.
India have a high chance of joining since they are already a member of the QUAD and they are surrounded unless USA keep its forceful antics against Russia and Iran again then it would discourage India from joining US led alliance due to inconvenience. They like to trade with Iran and Russia and they hate that the US keeps forcing them not too but in China-US rivalry India will support the US more as it sees it as the strongest counterweight against China.
@@dzec024 Indonesia is a potential power but it would likely take few decades
In theory this looks like a great idea (which shoul be implemented) but in practise China would immediately threaten the project because it's not like these nations never thought about founding such an alliance. When they tried to do it like 15 years ago they didn't want to harm their relations with China too much and now when China is even more powerful this might even lead to escalation (considering their aggressivly nature and the fact that now they're still strong enough)
How could China prevent these countries from forming a coalition specifically aimed at countering China? Any aggressive moves or threats by China would merely make this Asian NATO more likely.
@@ennui9745 um you forget the economy? If ccp control china it means ccp has all the goodies which means no more goodies to south pacific? If you anger china maybe they can economically sanctions you? China like to solve problems without force, so they can easily pull out all their asssets infrastructural project which these countries needed? So they literally play with a 2 edged blade?hmmm maybe military alliance can be made but the economic implications is also tided with politics....
@@orange8420 You have a very simplistic understanding of geopolitics.
@@ennui9745 China can't prevent a coalition from forming. However, doing so would only inflame tensions and make war more likely. We should continue to arm Taiwan and support smaller nations to deter China from taking action, but shouldn't try to antagonize or provoke war.
After the Vietnam war in 1975, i don't think that a communist Vietnam would like join in a US led asian NATO, same with Laos, Myanmar and Cambodia. Thailand and Indonesia also aren't interested neither.
Vietnam would only be like Finland. They will maintain a good relationship with the USA but will not fully commit into being a member of US led alliance due to fear of Chinese land invasion.
WHEN I THINK USA 🇺🇸 AND ITS ALLIES....NATO ..BRITAIN..AUSTRALIA..INDIA...I THINK MANY COUNTRIES UNDERESTIMATE JAPAN ...COUNTRIES SHOULD B VERY WORRIED OF JAPAN ..
There is a possibility that ASEAN would build a defense alliance ....but not under or with USA nor China......
ASEAN is not going to join such an alliance ... all countries are already in an alliance and have a pacifist 3rd position emminating from the Cold War ... Vietnam is a russian partner since way back ... Laos and Cambodia are economically dependend on China
Indonesia wants to join BRICS, so yeah I agree. Besides the ASEAN countries already members of RCEP.
All I know is Indonesia is be friend with US, but not an ally. Indonesia is a founding member of Non Alignment Movement, so I kinda skeptical.
Thailand, Philippines and Vietnam(low chance due to them having land borders with China) are more likely members. They are a former member of SEATO after all it also included South Vietnam. I think South Vietnam union with the North was the reason why Vietnam today has the highest US approval rating in ASEAN.
So the UK is coloured purple as 'might be willing to defend itself`. This video should be as rebranded as Beno or some other comic book. You Americans really do have a very high opnion of yourselves!!
Lol. America has so many problems, but it just wasn’t the focal point of this video.
Nice video, I Hope The USA Goverment Watches This Video And Gets An Idea From it, And if they did make a Alliance it would be called “Pacific Indian Organization Treaty” Or PIOT
I Iive in Auckland Nz , trust me nz at least under this government would never dare say anything against China , our foreign minister doesn’t dare say a word as they know what would happen , so unfortunately unless really pushed we will keep letting China take over our economy and maybe even our sovereignty
Bye bye NZ
NZ is captured and it's people are 🐏
There use to be a Asian NATO called SEATO South East Asian Treaty Organization
as a Malaysian yes we will be ally with NATO if China started to messing around much, and if any others NATO nations messing against us ( very unlikely gonna happen ) we will be ally with China or Russia... ehhhh we Malaysia are very used to living under someone shadow...
and also that Belt and Road thingy, here some info, the Sultan of Johor partner with a Company from China called Country Garden Holding to build this 4 man made island called Forest City Johor, its an integrated residential development located on the slopes of Gelang Patah, Johor Bahru District, Johor, Malaysia on 1,370 hectares. Announced in 2006 as a twenty-year project, the project was pitched under China's Belt and Road Initiative...
and Country Garden Holding own 60% and the Sultan own 40% based on wiki... these island is build near Singapore if anyone wanna know...
@@robertlee6338way more than what Baltic States, Czechoslovakia, Balkans(except Greece and Turkiye), Hungary, etc brings.
Its really wierd that Indonesia , Malaysia and Philippines never went to war in our time because of china's existence. Well Indonesia and malaysia did we Filipinos almost did too
Malaysia and Indonesia went to war in the past shortly after Malaysia is about to gain independence
tHIS VIDEP RREALLY DOESNT UNDERSTAND EAST ASIAN POLTICS LOL
Would be cool if Mongolia and some Central Asia and Middle eastern countries will join the Organization. This treaty organization will definitely surpass NATO in no time.
There would be no way to defend these countries once china invades them...
Well that would be the case unless russia collapses and north asia would seek western protection and and economic guarantees then it would be possible...
I think you can include Canada in the pacific alliance and maybe a few south american countries like Colombia and Chile.
Latin American countries won't join in such Alliance, then Russia could create a Latin-American Warsaw pact with Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua and put nuclear weapons nears the US and the Caribbean too.
You see for indonesia, it is unlikely that we will be joining a military alliance. It is stated in our constitution that Indonesia will always be neutral and cannot be tied in any military alliances both left and right. If we, one day be joining a military alliance it means that we must change our own constitution first, and let me tell one thing.. it is not as easy as it sounds like. Try to introduce a new law here will result in almost a war zone situation, let alone to change the constitution. So it is very unlikely that indonesia will be joining said alliance. But, there is still a slight chance. A very slight chance of less than 10%.
I think they should be called A.P.T.O. ( Asian Pacific Treaty Organization )
CATTO-Central American Truce Treaty Organization ❤❤
Imagine South/North Korea and China just unite out of nowhere
PATO : Pacific Alliance Treaty Organization
can you do a video about Indonesia during the soeharto era
he's such an underrated dictator
That’s a good idea
Thanks to USA we have a dictatorship
@@omahkayoman2153 MWAHAHHAHA
Yeah, and Chinese Indonesians in particular hate him so much
The U.S.-Philippine Mutual Defense Treaty was signed on August 30, 1951; a few days before the one with Australia and New Zealand (ANZUS) was inked on September 1, 1951 (New Zealand was suspended in 1986); and years before the U.S.-ROK alliance was inked on October 1, 1953 and the U.S.-Japan alliance on January 19, 1960.
PATO - Pacific Alliance Treaty Organization (Proposed since July 11, 2022)
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😂not kangladesh
Did you leave anyone out 😅
They already did this with SEATO during the Vietnam War. It lasted from 1954-1977 the main two countries protected by it were South Vietnam and Laos two countries that would both fall to Communism before the organization would end.
I wish they would teach this in college. Socialism keeps everybody equally poor capitalism a China unequally filthy rich I'd much rather be unequally rich
Asia had its own NATO counterpart before in SEATO (South East Asia Treaty Organization) composed of the US, UK, Philippines, Australia, Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore, New Zealand, etc. But it was dissolved in the 70s
It had some Shaddy countries like Pakistan as a member which could have been detrimental to the alliance like turkey acting in nato
IPACO- Indian-Pacific Anti-China Organisation
(Not a new Apple Product)
Cool video! Can you really say, that Tajikistan is a Chinese ally? I thought China claims the Pamir region (45% of the country)
I mean, Tajikistan doesn’t really have a choice in the end. They’re too far in the debt trap that they’re essentially a client state and economic dependency of China
Don't forget Micronesia 🇹🇻🇦🇼🇫🇲🇲🇭🇳🇷🇹🇼
First!! Great video btw
Let’s gooooo
Absolutely......if the Asean NATO will establish soon.
There has already an Asian NATO. ASEAN... You are pretty much very wrong Australia and New Zealand not interested to join. We don't have warships here...
It's US-APTO -Asia Pacific Treaty Organization 😊 🇺🇲🇭🇲🇯🇵🇰🇷🇵🇭🇹🇼🇮🇳🇻🇳
what do you use to make your maps? I struggle to make good maps for my own videos
I’m using photoshop to create them, and premier pro to animate them
@@MadMacGeopolitics Please Use correct Map Of India
I think that Britain would probably join the Asian Nato too, it'll have growing economic interests in the region. Consider also AUKUS and the joint naval excercises that Britain and Australia have done in the past.
so much biased viewpoints in such a short video.
There was already SEATO before, it failed. I don't see it happening. The region is just not really unified in any way, we don't have the same thoughts, stance on issues nor the same mentality. The only "unification" you could ever get here is in terms of economics.
Dear Bro...Ultimately JoBiden formed a drift in India's prolonged friendship with Russia... What will be the impact ?.. We are to wait to see.😮😮😮😮
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Asian Pacific Treaty Organization (APTO)
dude how can i get in contact with you
Asian Defensive Pact idk
China will lead its own regional alliance, consisting of China, North Korea, Laos, Myanmar, The Solomons, Nepal and Pakistan
Japan, Australia, New Zealand and South East Asian Countries should have their own alliance (JANS). They should be able to control the power of the East Pacific & Oceana and become a super power. South East Asia can provide the growing of foods and labor, Japan and Taiwan with Technology and AU & NZ with military training and strategy. There's NATO and BRICS why not have you own too.
AUKUS will evolve into this
Australia should be trying to become allies with Indonesia and even becoming Muslim to achieve this even..
Yeah now its coming true, GO WEST !!!
Go Yankees!
I have a name for it.... EAST ASIA TREATY ORGANIZATION (EATO).
He's back! Also why isnt papua new guinea on asian nato?
There are a few reasons, do you want me to list them?
@@MadMacGeopolitics sure if thats cool with you
@@Veriox22 1. I think countries that would initially join would either have large economies or large populations. PNG has neither
2. PNG is not immediately at threat from Chinese influence, unlike many of these other countries
3. PNG is not a country that stands to loose anything by being part of Chinese influence, unlike the other countries I mentioned
4. I’m not convinced that PNG has a strong enough relationship with any of these countries (especially Indonesia), so I don’t see it having a place in the alliance.
@@MadMacGeopolitics Can I also ask even though it has already been 2 weeks ago 😆.... What about Brunei, the country in Borneo.... would there be also a possibility that they would join this Asian Nato alliance? Especially Brunei being involve also in the South China Sea Dispute, a close ally to the Philippines and UK, and them being part of ASEAN?....but what about other ASEAN countries especially Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia?, I thought those countries are promoting a joint policy of neutrality between USA and China because how there proximity to China is quite small... (but actually I am not sure tho, please correct me if so 🥺👉👈)
@@joshua4785 Brunei may join, but frankly I don’t think they would be the most interested in joining, considering their size, and the fact that they are surrounded by potential allies already
An interesting topic you brought up, but you are missing several key factors, in order to make an Asian NATO you have to take “consequences” and “regional competition” in consideration.
First of all, if this alliance would be created there would the day after be created an Asian “Warsawapact” an pact were China, Russia, Pakistan and North Korea, maybe even Burma, would join forces, not because they necessary want that but because they have to, they are forced to join forces.
And the threat of that would mean that India are forced away because they are dependent on Russian arms industry and South Korea would be in an extreme disadvantage.
Then we have the animosity between South Korea and Japan, they working together?
And many nations you are mentioning are not even allies with USA, non are allies with other nation except Australia and New Zealand, and have no problems with China, why would Indonesia and Singapore join an alliance with their most important trade partner that they have absolutely no issues with?
The same apply to South Korea, they have no problems with China, no disputes, why create them?
Then a small note about population...
It’s the opposite of what you say, richer nations tend to give hearth to less people, most of Europe, South Korea, Japan and Australia have less fertility rate then China, USA are only a few spots above on the list.
Are this nations crashing?
And even if this was a major problem it would only be that if China don’t do anything against it, Japan have problems because they don’t act, do you assume that the worlds without doubt most effective government wouldn’t do anything to change this during this 50 years you are talking about?
There will be no Asian NATO, it’s a pipe dream, larger risk of the opposite because the Chinese soft power are rising faster then anything in Asia, and USA, they are losing soft power in a quite high rate, it’s a dream.
yeah, there will never be NATO in Asia because we dont have a common voice and China's influence is bigger than the creators of this video could imagine
Great video! so i'm guessing that Papua new Guinea and the Pacific islander countries would not care about joining?
I don’t think they care, I mean some of them are already in free association with the US
We need an Asian NATO. The Pacific deserves the same type of protection as Europe.
No we don't. 7:33 NATO has not helped the EU because the EU is not been militarily threatened by anyone. It's role has been reduced to become a hatchet man for the US to bully at will and the sad part is they have to pay for it!
I hate NATO
India don't want to be a part of the Anglo Saxon state ????😢
Bro mention India more ,, India is on the US side ,,
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@@MadMacGeopolitics thanks man
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I appreciate the shoutout from such a quality channel :)
this is deep. great vid.
but while duterte's around, count ph out.
When things unfold the next ten years you will be very disappointed. Watch this space.
Make correction in Indian Map
China is strong and inia not china can conquer all asia
As a American amazing video but vary accurate I'm impressed at hoe accurate it actually is 1 thing I would mention as well is that Vietnam is the number 1 most pro american country in the world Japan is the 11th most pro american India is 10th most pro american south Korea is 4th most pro american and Australia is the most pro american English speaking country American asian allies where always more loyal or willing to work under US influence then American European allies if Taiwan was counted as a country Taiwan would be by far the most pro american a military alliance between all these country's would be vary cool to see maybe even a economic alliance
Also I do feel like in this type of alliance you could also have south American country's like Chile or Peru and maybe Canada
It’s a possibility that other Pacific rim countries could join as well
@@MadMacGeopolitics you can't get the four nations in quad to agree to a position on china, and the organization was putatively being used to counter chinese influence. good luck getting other countries. america let japan set the planning and that is where everything is Dead On Arrival. Japan cannot lead anything in Asia, cuz of reasons. And if you leave out the strongest military in Asia that is not communist, you lose any leverage of military threat. Good job Quad.
It was all for show, never supposed to threaten china, or that might risk the multi trillion trade in japan and US. Some publicity stunt with no real threat to chinese expansion, to keep voters satisfied and confused, while china continued to expand and make demands. US abandoned any real policy when it began demanding mercenary fees from south korea to house a division in country. they will be asked to leave in the coming years, i can assure you.
India kind of not pro- US , we want to formulate our own foreign policy...
China is a common adversary of India so we tend to align with the US but we keep in check that we are not too aligned...
That's why we have a strong relationship with Russia from the times of the USSR at present to kind of neutralize too much of influence of the US and I guess its the same for Philippines ( they bought the Indo-Russian Brahmos missiles ) and Vietnam...
And still India is the largest buyer of Russian weapons even after threats of sanctions...
But India is a very valuable partner for Russia to counter China especially when they gain too much influence in central Asia which Russia doesn't like but at the same time Russia aligns with China against the west but at the risk of losing India ;the relation of India with the west and Russia kind of puts India in a "sweet spot" and Russia in a confused state....
And India have been successful in this strategy for decades and we continue to do so...
actually, israel and the philippines are the most pro american populations in the world. even when the US had trump as the president approval ratings of america in both countries remained high.
Seato-south east asian treaty organization
Eh I'm young so I don't really care about politics
Only older generation care about that lol
Ur not that young bro
Philippines will not get involve in any military conflict of other countries and we don't consider our country as part of Asian Nato.. We are not pawn!!!
"sinophobic" is a propaganda term. stop using it.
This video did not age well with regards to Australia
After all this time i always think that Austrillia and new zealand are western countries and this video made me change that.
Your filipino and your wrong about Australia we are western and Oceania to not asian
Asain
Australia isn't Asia dont insult us ..Its Oceania.
No it's just Australia mate 🤠
Neutrality is a must I don't think Philippines or Vietnam will join that Asian Nato
I think the Philippines would since we hosted a lot of American troops until 1992
we have a lot of Filipinos emigrating and enlisting in the armed services of the USA and we get a lot of remittances from Fil-Ams
and culturally, the Philippines is heavily influenced by the US and would undoubtedly side with the US as an obligation due to the Mutual Defense Treaty of 1951
@@yeaz2779 if we're attacked not the aggressor one
@@yeaz2779 maybe if US place a puppet government.
8:46 Im from Pakistan
Pakistan is not just ally of china…. Its also ally of NATO. We Indians and Vietnamese would love to see china vs USA real war with our popcorns 😂
It has become China's ally. During cold war, Pakistan maintained neutral relations with US and PRC Pakistan was one of the key reasons to better US-China relationships as US was using China as a weapon against USSR. But now, especially after Imran who blames US for the current state of Pakistan, Pakistan has literally become a bro colony of China.
I actually disagree with the European critique. Europeans are constrained by the US and its veto power on our defense matters. the US even in 2000 admitted that they won't allow a European Union club in NATO because it would make NATO (so the US) obsolete in European defense matters. I assure you Europeans would love to have military capabilities to be able to take care of their own interests and safety but unfortunately the US has too much power over European decision-makers. as the US is moving more and more towards the Pacific, Europeans will need to realize that they are on their own in case of an emergency - unfortunately, it'll be surely too late to build those capabilities. it is what it is.
Stop hating China.
Lets live in peace and respect each other's culture.
in politics smaller countries usually gang up on the bigger more dominant power to survive
Today nato not needed in south asia.. except singapore that chinese comunity always tring to invaded neighbour land. She need nato.
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Should be SEATO 💺 o 🤔 rye? Prsss take a seato 👇🏻