I would highly recommend using it to make some sort of enclosure made of that green acrylic so it will be easier to vent and safer for you and Donny's eyes, also incase someone unknowingly walks in without eye protection while its running. Always remember, safety 3rd! :)
Yeah, all these cheap power laser products look sketchy even by my standards. As mentioned, just reflections can do instant damage. Full cabinet also lets you vent it outside easily, which is a good idea when vaporizing mystery metals.
I don't understand how these unshielded laser cutters pass QC, and even less how they are legal (and easy) to sell -- being such a blatant safety hazard -- with little to no precautions. I mean, the goggles that come with some of these kits. They're either colored plastic, or designed for the wrong wavelength and offer no protection for the included laser.
@@TheElectronicChannel There is no QC or safety consideration, that's part of how prices are kept low. I think you'd have to outright ban direct to consumer imports from China (yay, paying a state sanctioned middle man!) to even make a dent. Same problem with the fire hazard lithium batteries in various things, sketchy uncertified power supplies, highly thoriated quackery, etc.
@@Broken_Yugo Yeah. Unfortunately, if Chinese imports were banned the entire US economy would implode, seeing as almost all consumer products are outsourced to China for manufacture. Unrelated, but I immediately noticed "thoriated quackery", and remembered that the vacuum tube in my pfp, a Soviet GU-81m, has a thoriated heater filament -- Although I think they did that for an actually valid reason.
I appreciate that you do not over-edit your videos. The last part of this one was just you standing there describing the product. Many sites would try and put up lots of different angles and images to 'snazzy' up things. Something that I largely find annoying. Just saying. ☮
I'd absolutely build an enclosure for it, even if it's just plywood covered in aluminium tape, lasers don't care if you like your retinas or not lol Also, swap out the laser cooling fan for a like for like Noctua, they're the same dimension and voltage but they're silent and usually have increased airflow too. And get an extractor fan mounted on the rear of the enclosure to draw the fumes out through the wall with one of those dryer flap vents My air assist pump (different model as it's for a DIY laser cutter) was pretty noisy until I added some 3d printed spring feet made of TPU to reduce the rattling noise. Cheers for the review, very thorough - Also, you can get rattle cans for laser engraving metal which cause an oxidation and turns it black
Remember that laser radiation causes accumulative damage over time. This applies to the work as well as you. For cleaner cuts, have a bit more patience. You can whip that head around at speed and full power to get a better cut over several passes. And above all grasshopper remain focused!
Laser engravers/cutters are fairly fiddly. It is a process, but be patient and Im sure youll get some quality stuff in no time. Some tips: Lightburn is easier to work with than lasergrbl, every material is different in that they require different settings, the "recommended" settings are quite often just "guidelines," and GET A COVER and a way to vent it out (We use a basic 4" fan & dryer vent tube to vent things out a window) Itll save you from some fumes & smoke. Totally dig your vids btw. Keep it up!
Laser cutter is probably most used tool at our hackerspace. 🙂Really good way to introduce cool tech to woodworkers and woodworking to more electronics oriented makers. Read what everyone else has learned about laser cutting/engraving online to learn this faster/safer. Some tips: 1. Most acrylics are fine to cut after fume extraction. This includes engraving through acrylic (spray) paints to make high contrast signs. 2. Corrugated cardboard is only thing we have actually managed catch visible fire in 8 years. Bit too much airflow from fume extraction inside the sheets. Setup IP camera for remote monitoring. 3. Buy indoor plywood/veneer if you want to cut through it. Outdoor use plywoods have tougher glue which mostly heats up and boils instead of cutting. Use masking tape on cut edges to make cleaning up burn marks and soot bit easier.
for burning onto wood mix up some water with borax dissolved in it and then brush it on the wood and let it dry. you'll get much darker images that way without having to burn the wood so deep.
I got laser cutter training some time ago, so can’t remember much of it. However…I do remember being able to run a single job that did a cut and engrave. The tool recognised different colours in the drawing to set power. I recall using Inkscape for the drawing but not what we used for the burning.
i got one of those, different brand but you are very correct about the smoke factor. best i came up with is a shop vac outside with a 20ft hose. maybe a metal grid made into a vacuum table to suck the work piece down to keep it from moving might work ?
Mine’s on the dining room table for assembly. Identifying that dingus may be the clue I need to install the air pump. I will put the honeycomb base on a 60 cm or 2 foot square floor tile on top of my washing machine! I’m using it to etch glass. Nice to see someone using it for the first time.
Seeing the big handsaw in the background reminded me of the artist that paints scenes on handsaws. You could engrave something really cool on your saw! Just an idea! 😀
A very nice machine, it does what it was built for, and the protective goggles look stylish. The 20-watt laser is more than sufficient for what one does with the machine.
I noticed a lot of comments on an enclosure for the laser. TwoTrees has an enclosure and it includes a fan with an exhaust port on the side. I have the TS2 10 watt version and bought the enclosure. It was heavily discounted by TwoTrees at the time I purchased it. I have a CO2 Laser which I have with a large inline fan which I will also use on TwoTrees. I just got everything so I have not tested it yet but thought I would mention it and hope this is helpful. Nice video by the way.
I've just bought this enclosure, but the fan looks quite pathetic from the images, like a computer fan with very little pressure. Is that what it's like?
Yup, I think it is a pretty light duty fan. I was not planning on using it. I 3d printed a bezel to replace the fan and then printed an adapter/coupler to go from the TwoTrees 3-inch exhaust pipe to my 4-inch pipe to the outside. There is a variable speed inline fan that I will be using which I also use on the CO2 laser in the shop. I may add the TS2 fan back into the mix if needed. As mentioned I have not tried the TS2 expect to see that LightBurn controls it. The main reason for not test everything out is mainly because I need to clean a space ; ). I am so far impressed with the construct and features of the TS2 Laser. I also added a cross-hair laser to the TS2 for alignment. @@Ziplock9000
I have no doubt you'll find having a laser being super useful. The air is to blow away debris to keep your cuts clean. I learned the hard way with my C02 setup that you really need to have things well ventilated especially if you work with anything besides wood. Looking forward to getting my OSHA Shirt today!!
I have many concerns regarding those safety glasses included. I'd highly recommend investing in a pair of proper laser safety glasses from a reputable source such as survivallaser. The ones found with most products coming from overseas are usually not even for the right wavelength of laser light! For blue lasers (those around 435 - 500 nanometers) generally red or very dark green safety glasses are used. Also make sure to have proper fume extraction especially when working with plastics or acrylics.
@@among-us-99999 "probably" is not really in consideration when a mistake could leave you with permanent blindness. Not to mention the risks of invisible to the naked eye wavelengths which can still be powerful enough to cause damage.
Cool product! (Clicks link) Holy shart that was more $$ than I thought! I am glad you have a new tool for your projects. Looking forward to how it will integrate going forward! Thanks!
If that printer can make fire, I'm buying it! Test it for us on making hand tatoos. Once you have the proper settings make a video about it and let us know.😂
OK, are you in my head? Again?! I was JUST looking at this the other day. I currently use a Creality Ender-3 Laser-Add-On kit. It's pretty good for $40!
Assuming that this is a cheap 20w retina-frying 450nm diode, there shouldn’t be invisible radiation (that’s mostly a concern with green lasers), so if you can’t see the spot at all (!) through the goggles, it’s probably fine. Besides that, I wouldn’t rely on goggles of any kind, and just put that thing in an enclosure (also helps with the fumes
For that price, you could get a decent 3D printer with a laser addon modul, then you could, engrave, laser cut and even cut bread! And them 3D print on top of that :)
Pick up some laser-engraving film (glorified masking tape, sorta). This will allow you to do two-colour engravings with clever application of paint and the masking film.
My only recommendation would be to source yourself a pair of quality laser eye protection from a reputable laser supply company (not Amazon/ebay/etc.) I wouldn't trust those included glasses personally.
@@among-us-99999 a lot of these cutting lasers are usually well in the IR spectrum and not visible by naked eye. According to TwoTrees however, this laser is 445nm, so it should be blue visible, but IDK about you... I'd rather spend the $75-100 to ensure my eyes aren't hurt. That's me, though.
PVC is probably the worst offender for burning plastics--HCl and very small amounts of dioxins as well. Polyethylene? Meh--it's kind of like candle wax in some ways.
Great video, please look into getting a certified pair of laser safety glasses. The ones that come with this type of gear are notorious for being kind of crap... not saying the ones from this company are but better safe than sorry, you only have one set of eyes. "will probably be more comfortable than the cheap set also"
@@saveitforparts I'm not sure either... I don't have laser things yet so I have never looked... I just know I have seen other youtubers that have tested the glasses and found them to be suspect. Probably safe when working with mat things like the wood, card stock and such... just watch out with shiny things I guess.
@@saveitforparts I'm not personally experienced enough to bet your safety on my word, but I've fiddled with lasers. First off, I would guess a 400-500 nm range pair, since you laser looks blue. There's an OD rating which tells you what percentage of the light gets through. There are formulas based on your laser type and power to figure out the minimum level to prevent major eye damage (longtime use may still cause harm). Something like googling "Laser Institute of America - Free OD Calculator." I needed an OD of 3 This is not necessarily something you want to risk buying from amazon or a random seller, but I guess it's your choice of how safe to be. The only way you find out if the glasses are bad is when you have eye damage :/ Ideally, get some advice from someone who really knows lasers
yea something seems not right. i thought the best protection wouldn't be specific to any wavelength, they should be very dark tinted like welder's goggles. and after a while seeing the same hue all the time would be annoying and might change the color receptors, but i don't know about any of this for certain
Hmmm, your channel is at the point where it is now 50% paid reviews... [having checked back a few weeks for confirmation] Personally, I don't find them that interesting, and a lot of the gadgets are actually very similar in functionality. How you choose to digest that observation is up to you, BUT I much prefer seeing you tinkering with something broken, building something completely daft from junk, or boating / canoeing somewhere scenic. Those videos are far more appealing and engaging.
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I would highly recommend using it to make some sort of enclosure made of that green acrylic so it will be easier to vent and safer for you and Donny's eyes, also incase someone unknowingly walks in without eye protection while its running. Always remember, safety 3rd! :)
Steel box is the way to go.
Yeah, all these cheap power laser products look sketchy even by my standards. As mentioned, just reflections can do instant damage. Full cabinet also lets you vent it outside easily, which is a good idea when vaporizing mystery metals.
I don't understand how these unshielded laser cutters pass QC, and even less how they are legal (and easy) to sell -- being such a blatant safety hazard -- with little to no precautions.
I mean, the goggles that come with some of these kits. They're either colored plastic, or designed for the wrong wavelength and offer no protection for the included laser.
@@TheElectronicChannel There is no QC or safety consideration, that's part of how prices are kept low. I think you'd have to outright ban direct to consumer imports from China (yay, paying a state sanctioned middle man!) to even make a dent. Same problem with the fire hazard lithium batteries in various things, sketchy uncertified power supplies, highly thoriated quackery, etc.
@@Broken_Yugo Yeah. Unfortunately, if Chinese imports were banned the entire US economy would implode, seeing as almost all consumer products are outsourced to China for manufacture.
Unrelated, but I immediately noticed "thoriated quackery", and remembered that the vacuum tube in my pfp, a Soviet GU-81m, has a thoriated heater filament -- Although I think they did that for an actually valid reason.
You're always reviewing the perfect stuff that I'm questioning buying!
Same!!
Aging wheels other channel Under Dunn did some reviews on laser engraver/ cutters
I appreciate that you do not over-edit your videos.
The last part of this one was just you standing there describing the product.
Many sites would try and put up lots of different angles and images to 'snazzy' up things.
Something that I largely find annoying.
Just saying.
☮
I'd absolutely build an enclosure for it, even if it's just plywood covered in aluminium tape, lasers don't care if you like your retinas or not lol
Also, swap out the laser cooling fan for a like for like Noctua, they're the same dimension and voltage but they're silent and usually have increased airflow too. And get an extractor fan mounted on the rear of the enclosure to draw the fumes out through the wall with one of those dryer flap vents
My air assist pump (different model as it's for a DIY laser cutter) was pretty noisy until I added some 3d printed spring feet made of TPU to reduce the rattling noise. Cheers for the review, very thorough - Also, you can get rattle cans for laser engraving metal which cause an oxidation and turns it black
Remember that laser radiation causes accumulative damage over time.
This applies to the work as well as you.
For cleaner cuts, have a bit more patience.
You can whip that head around at speed and full power to get a better cut over several passes.
And above all grasshopper remain focused!
Do you get less charring using more passes?
Laser engravers/cutters are fairly fiddly. It is a process, but be patient and Im sure youll get some quality stuff in no time. Some tips: Lightburn is easier to work with than lasergrbl, every material is different in that they require different settings, the "recommended" settings are quite often just "guidelines," and GET A COVER and a way to vent it out (We use a basic 4" fan & dryer vent tube to vent things out a window) Itll save you from some fumes & smoke.
Totally dig your vids btw. Keep it up!
Laser cutter is probably most used tool at our hackerspace. 🙂Really good way to introduce cool tech to woodworkers and woodworking to more electronics oriented makers. Read what everyone else has learned about laser cutting/engraving online to learn this faster/safer.
Some tips:
1. Most acrylics are fine to cut after fume extraction. This includes engraving through acrylic (spray) paints to make high contrast signs.
2. Corrugated cardboard is only thing we have actually managed catch visible fire in 8 years. Bit too much airflow from fume extraction inside the sheets. Setup IP camera for remote monitoring.
3. Buy indoor plywood/veneer if you want to cut through it. Outdoor use plywoods have tougher glue which mostly heats up and boils instead of cutting. Use masking tape on cut edges to make cleaning up burn marks and soot bit easier.
Next week: Mounting it to a shark...
Sharks with frickin Lazer beams on their heads
for burning onto wood mix up some water with borax dissolved in it and then brush it on the wood and let it dry. you'll get much darker images that way without having to burn the wood so deep.
I got laser cutter training some time ago, so can’t remember much of it. However…I do remember being able to run a single job that did a cut and engrave. The tool recognised different colours in the drawing to set power. I recall using Inkscape for the drawing but not what we used for the burning.
Good thing they sent a 2 tree, because "tree 3" would've been an absolutely massive box. *math jokes are always well received*
i got one of those, different brand but you are very correct about the smoke factor. best i came up with is a shop vac outside with a 20ft hose. maybe a metal grid made into a vacuum table to suck the work piece down to keep it from moving might work ?
Mine’s on the dining room table for assembly. Identifying that dingus may be the clue I need to install the air pump. I will put the honeycomb base on a 60 cm or 2 foot square floor tile on top of my washing machine! I’m using it to etch glass. Nice to see someone using it for the first time.
I have definitely overshot the honeycomb and cut into my countertop a few times!
Seeing the big handsaw in the background reminded me of the artist that paints scenes on handsaws. You could engrave something really cool on your saw! Just an idea! 😀
For the smoke: Fume hood and industrial fan. Active charcoal filter for the stink. For the noise: Replace the cooling fan with water cooling 🙂
Sweet piece of kit! It'll be interesting to see how you utilize it in future projects.
A very nice machine, it does what it was built for, and the protective goggles look stylish. The 20-watt laser is more than sufficient for what one does with the machine.
Love the variety of your videos. Always something new and highly entertaining. Keep up the great work.
I noticed a lot of comments on an enclosure for the laser. TwoTrees has an enclosure and it includes a fan with an exhaust port on the side. I have the TS2 10 watt version and bought the enclosure. It was heavily discounted by TwoTrees at the time I purchased it. I have a CO2 Laser which I have with a large inline fan which I will also use on TwoTrees. I just got everything so I have not tested it yet but thought I would mention it and hope this is helpful. Nice video by the way.
I've just bought this enclosure, but the fan looks quite pathetic from the images, like a computer fan with very little pressure. Is that what it's like?
Yup, I think it is a pretty light duty fan. I was not planning on using it. I 3d printed a bezel to replace the fan and then printed an adapter/coupler to go from the TwoTrees 3-inch exhaust pipe to my 4-inch pipe to the outside. There is a variable speed inline fan that I will be using which I also use on the CO2 laser in the shop. I may add the TS2 fan back into the mix if needed. As mentioned I have not tried the TS2 expect to see that LightBurn controls it. The main reason for not test everything out is mainly because I need to clean a space ; ). I am so far impressed with the construct and features of the TS2 Laser. I also added a cross-hair laser to the TS2 for alignment. @@Ziplock9000
I have no doubt you'll find having a laser being super useful. The air is to blow away debris to keep your cuts clean. I learned the hard way with my C02 setup that you really need to have things well ventilated especially if you work with anything besides wood. Looking forward to getting my OSHA Shirt today!!
I have many concerns regarding those safety glasses included.
I'd highly recommend investing in a pair of proper laser safety glasses from a reputable source such as survivallaser.
The ones found with most products coming from overseas are usually not even for the right wavelength of laser light!
For blue lasers (those around 435 - 500 nanometers) generally red or very dark green safety glasses are used.
Also make sure to have proper fume extraction especially when working with plastics or acrylics.
If you can’t see the laser through the glasses at all, it’s probably fine
@@among-us-99999 "probably" is not really in consideration when a mistake could leave you with permanent blindness.
Not to mention the risks of invisible to the naked eye wavelengths which can still be powerful enough to cause damage.
Cool product! (Clicks link) Holy shart that was more $$ than I thought!
I am glad you have a new tool for your projects. Looking forward to how it will integrate going forward! Thanks!
I love seeing the workshop get built up!!!;
Man you are shrinking away on us. Looking good my friend, any secrets?? Keep up the great work!
I’m a little jealous of you ! I have the Tt10 and want the Tt20 and they just give it to you , how nice ! Lol
You'll definitely need a smith's hearth to get rid of the smoke. Maybe with a ventilator and a flue out to the yard.
You don't seem to have any room to store it on a wall, but how about hanging it from the ceiling to get it out of the way? Nice piece of kit.
YEAAAHHHH! this is gonna be GOOD!
If that printer can make fire, I'm buying it! Test it for us on making hand tatoos. Once you have the proper settings make a video about it and let us know.😂
OK, are you in my head? Again?! I was JUST looking at this the other day. I currently use a Creality Ender-3 Laser-Add-On kit. It's pretty good for $40!
could use it for PCB etching, copper foil with adhesive put on fibreglass
This is cool, a nice review too
Cool unit! Fun project additions coming, for sure. Too bad you couldn't mount it to the wall, eh? Should ask TwoTrees before trying that though.
Assuming that this is a cheap 20w retina-frying 450nm diode, there shouldn’t be invisible radiation (that’s mostly a concern with green lasers), so if you can’t see the spot at all (!) through the goggles, it’s probably fine.
Besides that, I wouldn’t rely on goggles of any kind, and just put that thing in an enclosure (also helps with the fumes
Treat it like another Cat, Set up a webcam to keep an eye on it. The smoke will also refract the beam and cause some of that uneven scorching
This would be a great machine for making model airplane kits😎😎
When will the 100k subscriber play button come up?
I did a video on it! ruclips.net/video/PLxf_65E9O4/видео.html
For that price, you could get a decent 3D printer with a laser addon modul, then you could, engrave, laser cut and even cut bread! And them 3D print on top of that :)
Is there a focus mode? Two dots that are one when the laser properly focused?
It auto-focuses with a little distance probe, based on how deeply you want to cut or engrave.
Pick up some laser-engraving film (glorified masking tape, sorta). This will allow you to do two-colour engravings with clever application of paint and the masking film.
My only recommendation would be to source yourself a pair of quality laser eye protection from a reputable laser supply company (not Amazon/ebay/etc.) I wouldn't trust those included glasses personally.
If you can’t see the laser dot through the glasses, they’re probably fine.
@@among-us-99999 a lot of these cutting lasers are usually well in the IR spectrum and not visible by naked eye. According to TwoTrees however, this laser is 445nm, so it should be blue visible, but IDK about you... I'd rather spend the $75-100 to ensure my eyes aren't hurt. That's me, though.
How loud is it? More or less than a normal household vacuum cleaner?
Maybe a little less than a vacuum, but it's hard to film if you're standing right next to it.
Cool product
would you recommend this equipment for making grilled cheese sandwiches?
I'll have to try that 😂
I said it before, I'll say it again, see if Minnesota will allow you to register it as a boat
hey this is pretty cool!
Can you try to etch a porcelain, or ceramic tile?
It would be pretty cool to etch some novelty’ into tile. 😂
why not a portable welding fume extractor, there cheap and good.
PVC is probably the worst offender for burning plastics--HCl and very small amounts of dioxins as well. Polyethylene? Meh--it's kind of like candle wax in some ways.
Save it for toast 🤣
What kind of goggles are you wearing? Do you know the laser NM and type of 20W.
It came with some goggles, but I also bought some from Ortur for 180-750nm. This laser is supposed to be 445nm.
It's a shame you didn't show the installation of the driver / software. All reviews seem to skip this
Can it trim those pork chops?
Great video, please look into getting a certified pair of laser safety glasses. The ones that come with this type of gear are notorious for being kind of crap... not saying the ones from this company are but better safe than sorry, you only have one set of eyes. "will probably be more comfortable than the cheap set also"
I'm not actually sure where to find genuine laser glasses. Amazon seems to have all the same products with the usual ad-lib bag of brand names.
@@saveitforparts I'm not sure either... I don't have laser things yet so I have never looked... I just know I have seen other youtubers that have tested the glasses and found them to be suspect.
Probably safe when working with mat things like the wood, card stock and such... just watch out with shiny things I guess.
I cooked sausage and eggs while watching this video for dinner while drinking a Guinness. I work 2nd shift and my wife (I do love her) does not cook.
Suggestion for a spin of cooking channel: (saveitfor) Toast Hawaii 🍍
I wonder how metal business cards would do.
Next week: laser-cutting a government satellite
How about giveaways for these gear reviews.
those glases are bad becose they are green and the laser is blue 450nm, for 450nm glases shauld be orange or red
This 100%
Please invest in proper safety equipment! We want to see more videos, which is a lot harder if he's blind.
Is there a good source for legit glasses? All the ones on Amazon make a lot of bold claims, but who knows if they're good?
@@saveitforparts I'm not personally experienced enough to bet your safety on my word, but I've fiddled with lasers.
First off, I would guess a 400-500 nm range pair, since you laser looks blue.
There's an OD rating which tells you what percentage of the light gets through. There are formulas based on your laser type and power to figure out the minimum level to prevent major eye damage (longtime use may still cause harm). Something like googling "Laser Institute of America - Free OD Calculator." I needed an OD of 3
This is not necessarily something you want to risk buying from amazon or a random seller, but I guess it's your choice of how safe to be. The only way you find out if the glasses are bad is when you have eye damage :/
Ideally, get some advice from someone who really knows lasers
yea something seems not right. i thought the best protection wouldn't be specific to any wavelength, they should be very dark tinted like welder's goggles. and after a while seeing the same hue all the time would be annoying and might change the color receptors, but i don't know about any of this for certain
@@saveitforparts survivallaser is a name I'd trust with my eyeballs.
Nice review brotha!
Birds aren't real, man! :) :) They already come pre-armed with laser eyes, didn't you hear? :)
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Me want...
LASER TOAST
toasty?
Neat, but not as neat as an ArcDroid.
Hmmm, your channel is at the point where it is now 50% paid reviews... [having checked back a few weeks for confirmation]
Personally, I don't find them that interesting, and a lot of the gadgets are actually very similar in functionality. How you choose to digest that observation is up to you, BUT I much prefer seeing you tinkering with something broken, building something completely daft from junk, or boating / canoeing somewhere scenic. Those videos are far more appealing and engaging.
Birds aren't real, man.
ok