Pop is truly the greatest version of "Zero to Hero". In comparison to Dai, who is a perfect hero in both potential and personality from the start, Pop is a person with many flaws. However, although he can choose to become a coward for life, he knows he will detest himself for that and braves himself to face enemies who are much stronger than him, which even Baran praises. From a medicore mage to a Sage, his wisdom helps Dai overcome many undefeatable enemies. In the final arc, Pop is the real wild card, as every time Vearn gets caught off guard is mainly because of him.
courage is not the absence of fear, courage is when you know that you fear something but still stand and fight it. I think pop truly follow this sentence.
And I'll agree every time. The dragon quest games are my fave series. Better than final fantasy. I love the mostly adorable monsters. And the characters are so animated. Really wish they made an English version of dragon quest rhythm game for the 3ds not just the Japanese one
This is my favorite Dragon Quest moment. Bar none. And everything, including Popp's hidden trump card, feels so damn logical. This is no cheap "power of friendship" stuff, it is actual "I give you a REAL weapon to help you". That's what Popp meant with his words about bonds. Because he won Sigma's respect, he earned this crucial weapon.
the shield... now waiting more unpredictable things to comes on both Heroes and villain sides... more secrets to reveals... that's how the quest get the title...
mist+vearn should easily reflect the medo-roa second bounce with the same way... it just this vearn new stance have that small defiency lack of time to change another move to face the unpredictable instant attack... and actually this phoenix shield bounce doesn't really hurt a lot to the great dark Kings... it is the hero to end the great stance... unpredictable after unpredictables...
ok this part is a bit illogical. The metal horseman did use that mirror to reflect Popp's 'max destructive spell' back to Popp. Based on early story line, Vearn need to act to dodge that same spell, a sign of fear that spell's damage. However, the mirror can not stand Vearn's fire spell? Notice, a direct hit of Vearn's fire spell, wing of Phnoex, Vearn is not taking major damage for that.
Medoroa has a weak point, it's very powerfull but can be return by a simple mirror spell, káiser phoenix it's a powerfull spell it is not a simple merasoma
After unleashing three extremely powerful spell simultaneously vearn cannot move for a couple of seconds that why they try to capitalize on that opening
When vearn use the tenchimatou stance, he unleash his 3 strongest attacks in the same breath. Doing so makes him unable to moves for a brief instant, which makes him unable to cast mahokanta or use phoenix wings to reflect popp's spell.
Theoretically yes but practicaly, no. Vearn does not even need to use it even against 10 people as he is already too strong and can defeat most opponents easily without resorting to this technique. He only use it against truly powerful opponents, and 4 or more THAT powerful opponents do not exist in DQ Dai universe.
Young Vearn here is more like a predictable clishee shounen Villian. Too much pride, Everytime one technique (and it's allready his Ultimate technique), doesn't seem unique anymore. Now I know where all this superficial Inspiration from new animes/Mangas came from. Also the mystvearn twist wasted one Character, made him to a pathetic Monster that got killed immediately. No deaths from important characters, just a predictable fight where heroes get too much shine & save the day. And that superficial hero talking is annoying af. After that you know the Heroes asspull their way through the Antagonist/villian who out of nowhere gets damage, is dumb af or beaten because light hearted writing over actually deep, mature or at least decent writing. My Favorite Moment the show was when myst destroyed everyone where they almost died, and old vearn where he totally destroys the Protagonist group & broke dai's sword & will easily. Edit: I continued the Manga, and I was right. Whatever that is it seems the Mangaka forfeited Everything he builded up. SPOILER: Killvearn is a freakn Roboter that is controlled by this little blue monster from him XD WTF. Waste of Character. Vearn did the ultimate clichee "I'm too weak that's why I must go giant giant Monster Monster form". I'm glad I saved my Time with this. That's just my humble Opinion, Peace!
killvearn is actually a well written character as nobody was expecting the little guy to be the true evil behind the things. and the villain doesn't get damage out of nowhere.
@@cooljool1 yeah, just for shock value. But as Character the writer wasted completely the Potential of killvearns backstory. The whole time we saw a badass reaper who hides his true intentions, and even that he had the skill in combat. The fact he has many masks made him even more Interesting, and what interesting Character he reveals behind the mask. But all that forfeited for "oh, he is just a Machine". He was just a lifeless thing controlled by a minor Design, and that WHOLE identity vanished for the price of a Plottwist. Same with mystovearn, badass Design but at least the twist had Something. Nevertheless his true Design was bad compared to his former, and got immediately destroyed after his reveal. His Ability was perfect to Controll somebody permantely that he lives as Real threat with vearn. As Writer the Design of your characters should ALWAYS deliver with the mystery & Intention of your characters. Sacreficing a so good Design just for a Plottwist seems to me like a missplay & lazy Move to not give certain Sides (in this case the Villian side) enough love & Development like the Protagonists. Hadlar is a very good written Character, one of the best I saw in Anime/Manga, but he was written to be a good guy at the end. That's the point, the Villians don't get AS VILLIANS enough Love that they progress. Vearn said "I will punish the gods for their foolish doings" that was perfect that vearn could learn more about why the gods sealed away the monsters/Dragons rather than "the humans haven't the strenght & magic Power of the monsters/dragons".He could Develop like Hadlar, not to an anti-hero or in the last moments to a good guy like Hadlar, but to a Villian who changes his point of view & evolve his same goal that he gets more deepth. But I explain what almost every story should do but never did, cause a Story is only overall good like the writers life Experiences, point of view, and self-reflection. And most of the People just want to fit in rather than being an Individual. Neverthelss, DQ dais writer made a far better job than black clover, and he delivered pretty decent till the last 20% of his Manga. Maybe his editors told him to use certain Ideas & change his certain parts of his Original ideas. Vearn at least was often calm & badass even thou he had just one arm, and he even calls them "fools." Hahaha. And at least the Writer wanted to make clear that the Protagonist never would have a Chance since the Beginning without the guide of the gods. Still very light hearted, but at least a higher power was needed to take the Villian down, not the Protagonist on their own strenght alone. Overall still very dissapointing, but It's an old Manga that delivered better than Black clover, which says Everything about todays shounen Manga imo.
@@Delicashilous not for shock value. killvearn wasn't wasted, it was simply a twist. i agree about myst vearn, once revealed he was killed easily and without any good story. it was quite disappointing
Pop is truly the greatest version of "Zero to Hero". In comparison to Dai, who is a perfect hero in both potential and personality from the start, Pop is a person with many flaws. However, although he can choose to become a coward for life, he knows he will detest himself for that and braves himself to face enemies who are much stronger than him, which even Baran praises. From a medicore mage to a Sage, his wisdom helps Dai overcome many undefeatable enemies. In the final arc, Pop is the real wild card, as every time Vearn gets caught off guard is mainly because of him.
courage is not the absence of fear, courage is when you know that you fear something but still stand and fight it. I think pop truly follow this sentence.
盾を託したナイトも満足で有っただろう
しかし此は先ず思い付かないし度肝を抜いた恐ろしい発想
誇り高き騎士の魂、朽ちて尚輝きは喪われず…
盾の破片を見た時のヒムめっちゃ喜んでるんも印象的だったな👍
Dragon quest is peak anime, I’ll say it every time.
My number 1 for 20years
absolutely agree with u, my friend.
I see you're a man of culture 👍
And I'll agree every time. The dragon quest games are my fave series. Better than final fantasy. I love the mostly adorable monsters. And the characters are so animated. Really wish they made an English version of dragon quest rhythm game for the 3ds not just the Japanese one
The artwork is average, and the budget was probably modest. But the story, acting, and direction are awesome
This is my favorite Dragon Quest moment. Bar none.
And everything, including Popp's hidden trump card, feels so damn logical. This is no cheap "power of friendship" stuff, it is actual "I give you a REAL weapon to help you". That's what Popp meant with his words about bonds. Because he won Sigma's respect, he earned this crucial weapon.
that's the way Dragon Quest the adventure of Dai conquers us step by step and become the best anime/manga ever.
This anime uses the power of friendship/nakama power the right way.
Fairy tail should take a note or two from it.
fax@@tuancaoanh4388
このあたりまさに神回だよねえ
この回は、完全にポップが主人公✨✨✨
ポップ自体がダイとのダブル主人公
ポップの仲間との絆という名言がグッド👍️
この後のシグマとの戦いの回想と、ポップの「何かどころの騒ぎじゃねぇ」のセリフがよかったんですよねぇ。
See that, fairy tail ?
This is the power of bond and friendship done right !
Power of Friendship doesn't exist in Fairy Tail though. Like every fight can be traced back to emotions empowering your magic.
Popp is the goat, went from wimpy side character to the chad of the show.
The best character development everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Là sao pop từ nhân vật phụ trở thành nhân vật chính là sao 😮😮😮
Pop đâu phải con dê đâu
hope he got all the ladies he deserved lmao.
大魔王すら謀る男
メドローア習得時にマトリフがポップに『マホカンタ』によるリスクを話してました。どれだけ強力でも呪文である以上、反射の対象となることをポップは承知していたので、カイザーフェニックスという名は付いているものの、所詮はメラゾーマという呪文でしかないことを考慮した上でこの作戦に出たんでしょうね。
ここはコミック版の演出も良かった
ナイトとの会話が一瞬差し込まれるあたりが特に
何かどころの騒ぎじゃねぇ、最後の決め手になってくれたぜ。
コミックスではシグマとの決着後から爆発までのシーンのコマ割りの間が他のよりも大きいんですよね?その間に何かしらのやり取りがあったって意味で間を空けてるんですけど。前もってシャハルの鏡を後々の切り札として考えてたってところが凄いですよねー!
バーンの性格上絶対に気付くことはないけど、突撃前の台詞でポップはバーンにヒントを与えている。『誰一人欠けていたってあんたと向き合うことさえできなかった』この欠けていけないうちの一人には当然シグマも含まれている。そこに気付ければシャハルの鏡を隠していることにも気付けた。だがバーンはもちろん読者・視聴者も恐らく誰一人その瞬間までシャハルの鏡に気付くことはできなかった。これ程光輝く隠し球は古今東西数多の漫画の中でも秀逸だと思う。
ちうはおらんでもええやろ
チウは、ダイがザムザにトドメをさす直前に、スズメの涙ほどの体力が回復する「涙のドングリ」を持ち合わせていましたよ。
実際もしまぞっほさんがいなかったらポップ人間のクズと言わないまでも世界の存亡をかけた戦場に立ち会う事はまずなかったでしょうねえ(^^)
無駄キャラがほぼいなかったからな
@@イケメンゴリラ-d5i ザムザと戦ったときに食われてたダイを窮鼠包包拳で吐き出させたのと獣王遊撃隊を使ってバーンパレスの入り口を見つけたのとヒムを仲間に引き入れた(うまい具合に居場所を作ってあげた)のは思い浮かぶな
ただ返した訳じゃない。大魔王の必殺技のひとつを跳ね返した。
確実に大魔法でさえ冷静ではいられないレベルのダメージを与えた。
絶対に大魔王の度肝を抜いたのは誰から見ても間違いない、これ以上無い手なのが凄い。
もう一人の主人公はポップやな
ポップ一人で天地魔闘を出させたのがすごいわ。挑発の結果だったとしても
だってここで天地魔闘使わなきゃ地上消滅させた後にヴェルザーから「お前あの時人間にビビッて奥義使わなかったよなぁwww」って、それこそ永遠に擦られるんだぞ?ここは大魔王としても勝負に乗らない訳にはいかなかった
Popp delivering a true MacGyver moment.
Popp, amazing mage impresses by his smartness.
Ps: Honour to Sigma
The best character ever.. the daimadoushi 😍
“Dragon quest: popp no daiboken”
That’s the title
F to Sigma
@@popp7223 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_F_to_pay_respects
the shield... now waiting more unpredictable things to comes on both Heroes and villain sides... more secrets to reveals... that's how the quest get the title...
that's the way Dragon Quest the adventure of Dai conquers us step by step and become the best anime/manga ever.
Wish we could do twists like this in the games too but I'll accept the occasional critical hit instead
Pop being MVP once again
Mvp là sao bạn 😮
@@nkchannel7714 Most Value Person/Player
Aye, Pop is one of the great wingmans. Also, nice to see a Nanoha/Dai fan.
@@GenesicKaiser Yea, read the manga before anime came out. Pop easily became one of my favorite characters.
Cuando lo lei en el manga me quede sorprendido y en el anime quedo hermoso el momento
You are the goat popp 💪🏻😍🔥
Thanks. I know I am the best character with best development of all time :))
@@daimadoushipopp560
Sure you are daimadoushi 😉👌🏻
@@ninja66336 Larhart the GOAT.
As a mage, Pop has rather good body 🤭. His close range fight skill is good, too
攻撃と呪文が同時に繰り出せるだけで十分脅威ですね
数千年の歳月を生き、並ぶ者なしと讃えられ魔族の神ともいわれる大魔王の悲鳴がこちらです
ポップの名言に、寒気❤🎉
カッコいい🎵
案外戦果を挙げていないと言われているカイザーフェニックス。
これが最大の戦果かもしれない。(皮肉)
ポップがここまで大物になるとは当時中学生の私には思いも寄りませんでした。
what is the soundtrack that plays in the background when pop takes out the shield?, it is very epic
same. its awesome
We’ll probably know when the vol 2 of the soundtrack will come out but for now we don’t know
I don’t think this ost is in the vol 1
Imagine if he became Sorcerer Supreme?
I swear popp is the true mc lmao
True. He is my favourite character in the whole series.
100%成功した逆襲に対しても冷静に
成否を見極めているのがイイネ!
cual es el soundtrack que suena de fondo cuando pop saca el escudo?, es muy epico
シグマが持って行ってくれないか?って提案してなければ成り立たなかった完璧な不意打ちカウンター
If Avan didn't save Popp and the old man , Popp would've reflected his medroa and killed Vearn
mist+vearn should easily reflect the medo-roa second bounce with the same way... it just this vearn new stance have that small defiency lack of time to change another move to face the unpredictable instant attack... and actually this phoenix shield bounce doesn't really hurt a lot to the great dark Kings... it is the hero to end the great stance... unpredictable after unpredictables...
@@lurhaysruzun2468Yes.However apart from phoenix wing, Vearn has Mahokanta spell to reflect back any spells
@@lurhaysruzun2468Phoenix wing does not reflect attacks but rather deflect.Spell that reflect other spells are called Mahokanta
Grande Pop, engañar al rey oscuro y regresarle su poder en toda la jeta
Popp my hero
whats the name of the ost that plays at 2:02
天地魔闘の構えをとらなければバーンの勝ちだったろうけど、その場合ポップとかいうちっぽけな人間を恐れてせこい手で勝ったという悪名が後の世に残るので、名誉を気にするなら煽りに乗らざるを得なかった。本当にポップとは戦いたくないでぇ。
ポップはダイみたいな人間(笑)じゃ無くてガチでただの人間だからね、神様が手配したのも双龍紋と神の涙だけだから本当にバグなんだよね
ディオ ブランドー「呼んだか?」
詰将棋みたいに相手の出来る事をそぎ落として追い込んでいくんですから一番怖い相手ですよね
アバン外伝見たあとだと絆の重みが更に増すなあ。
なにかどころの話じゃねえ 最後の決め手になってくれたぜ ありがとよシグマ
ヒム「見ろよ、オレたちがライバルと認めた奴らはやっぱタダモノじゃなかったぜ」
魔王軍の中で最初からポップを認めてたのがキルバーンだけなんだよな。
ポップの台詞、もはや主役を喰っちまってる
ポップはダイとのダブル主人公
シャハルの鏡って2つの呪文を同時に跳ね返す事は出来ないから砕けたのかな?
それともバーンの呪文の威力が凄すぎたからなのかな?
Popp is such a badass
ok this part is a bit illogical. The metal horseman did use that mirror to reflect Popp's 'max destructive spell' back to Popp.
Based on early story line, Vearn need to act to dodge that same spell, a sign of fear that spell's damage. However, the mirror can not stand Vearn's fire spell? Notice, a direct hit of Vearn's fire spell, wing of Phnoex, Vearn is not taking major damage for that.
Medoroa has a weak point, it's very powerfull but can be return by a simple mirror spell, káiser phoenix it's a powerfull spell it is not a simple merasoma
Eran 2 hechizos a la vez, el que pop lanzo primero y vearn le reflejo, y el kaiser phoenix
ポップは本当に役者やのう。騙し合いではバーン様も敵ではない😊
Why Vearn did'nt cast Mahokanta spell ?It needs no movement to cast and it can reflect back spells back to it's owner
After unleashing three extremely powerful spell simultaneously vearn cannot move for a couple of seconds that why they try to capitalize on that opening
When vearn use the tenchimatou stance, he unleash his 3 strongest attacks in the same breath.
Doing so makes him unable to moves for a brief instant, which makes him unable to cast mahokanta or use phoenix wings to reflect popp's spell.
Popp 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
2:01ここからのBGMの名前は何でしょうか?
So if four people or more attack one after the other Vearn tenchimatou is easy to beat.
I don't think so, kaiser pheonix alone would hit multiple people, vearn stayted himself that
Theoretically yes but practicaly, no. Vearn does not even need to use it even against 10 people as he is already too strong and can defeat most opponents easily without resorting to this technique. He only use it against truly powerful opponents, and 4 or more THAT powerful opponents do not exist in DQ Dai universe.
yeah, and besides that he can turn the weak into gems avoiding them using large numbers of weaker fighters to counter that stance.
@@zaps345 oh yeah.
I forgot that his conqueror haki is so strong it literally seal people 😆
めちゃ熱い😂
だいは本当にいろはちゃんの声なの?
レオナとクロコダインは、ポップがカイザーフェニックスでやられたと思っているのに、ポップを信じ力を溜め続けていたダイ。
燃えるよな。
Popp 🔥❤🔥
So vearn voice is same to hearts from dragon ball heroes
Vearn was really easily tricked 😂
Anh pop tuyệt vời quá 😊
vearn need to hit 2nd hit to pop body like avan,larhart replace hit weapon staff,unlogic,injustice for vearn charracter
🤓🤓🤓
I think I had a stroke
Dai and Popp vs Dio Brando
バーン「 (中の者が)別次元(作品)で舐めプし過ぎたんで、最終奥義使いまくりました。敗れたのはひとえに中の奴のせいです。」
あ、子安さん、誕生日おめでとうございます。
Popp feels more like the hero than Dai lol
アバンの言葉を舐めていたツケが絶対の奥義を破られる原因になるなんて思わないだろうな。
冷静な分析と、勝つ為に手札を最後の最後まで明かさなかったポップと、人間を侮り、勝てるわけがないと何度も奥義を見せた結果、それまで誰も気づかなかった奥義の弱点を指摘されても、そんな針の穴のような弱点がつけないと意地になり使い続けた事が敗因になるとは皮肉だよね。
実際ポップほど生命を投げ出して戦きれる人間は少ないと思う。
葵今日子「嘘でしょ、我がアオイが誇るブーストが効かないなんて!」
風見ハヤト「アスラーダには勝てないのさ!」
Duo should had used Za Warudo and then Radamathys should had followed with Greatest Caution
このシーン見たときにあの時アバン先生が助けなくても、ミストにメドローア跳ね返せてたんだって思った
最悪それも計算してたのか!やるなポップ
それならここイオナズンじゃなくてメドローア跳ね返してたら勝ちなのでは?
@@偽物-n7l バーンが乗ってくれた時にメドローア選択してたら、天地魔闘でメドローア跳ね返ってきてシャハルではね返して勝ってましたね笑
ただホップもまた大魔王は勇者が倒すものと思いダイに美味しいとこ譲ったんでしょうねw
原典では不可能な奇手!
poff is god
「こいつ」が「ポップ」に替わってるね
「こいつ」というのはアニメ的にはまずかったのかな
何で声優変えるかな〜。
前作の声優さん、現役なんやからさ。
バーン様屈辱だったろうな
たった一人の人間にしかも魔法使いに天地魔闘の構えの弱点を見抜かれてソコを点かれて消滅されかけるわ、天地魔闘の構えを真正面から突破されるわ、挙句の果てには自分を象徴する最強のカイザーフェニックスすら攻略されちゃうんだもの
ダイよりもポップに対する恐怖と動揺を大きく表情に出すバーン様。
神の子のドラゴンの騎士よりも、ただの一人の人間の未知の可能性と強さに恐怖するバーン様。
qué huevotes de Popp
dioにしか見えない
大魔王「ダイ!ポップ! 悪い、そう言えばロードローラー探しに来たんだった。ちょいと抜けるからその間に闘気ためといて。」
アバンのフェザー何本かもらっとけばもう何発か攻撃出来たよなってリアルタイムで原作読んでて思った中学生時代
前作のポップの声の方が好きだったな。
「べたんっこ・・」には笑ったw
メドローアを跳ね返しても壊れないのにメラゾーマ跳ね返したら壊れちゃうのはちょっとガッカリ
シャハルの鏡はメドローアを跳ね返したことないよ
@@ファン-j9e 跳ね返せへんのやったら最初っからあんなビビって戦わんと思うけどね
Young Vearn here is more like a predictable clishee shounen Villian. Too much pride, Everytime one technique (and it's allready his Ultimate technique), doesn't seem unique anymore.
Now I know where all this superficial Inspiration from new animes/Mangas came from. Also the mystvearn twist wasted one Character, made him to a pathetic Monster that got killed immediately. No deaths from important characters, just a predictable fight where heroes get too much shine & save the day. And that superficial hero talking is annoying af. After that you know the Heroes asspull their way through the Antagonist/villian who out of nowhere gets damage, is dumb af or beaten because light hearted writing over actually deep, mature or at least decent writing.
My Favorite Moment the show was when myst destroyed everyone where they almost died, and old vearn where he totally destroys the Protagonist group & broke dai's sword & will easily.
Edit: I continued the Manga, and I was right. Whatever that is it seems the Mangaka forfeited Everything he builded up. SPOILER: Killvearn is a freakn Roboter that is controlled by this little blue monster from him XD WTF. Waste of Character. Vearn did the ultimate clichee "I'm too weak that's why I must go giant giant Monster Monster form". I'm glad I saved my Time with this. That's just my humble Opinion, Peace!
You are right, but still, I LOVE Vearn's character!
killvearn is actually a well written character as nobody was expecting the little guy to be the true evil behind the things. and the villain doesn't get damage out of nowhere.
@@cat-Ifreet Vearn as Character was still often badass, even thou he was in a bad Situation.
@@cooljool1 yeah, just for shock value. But as Character the writer wasted completely the Potential of killvearns backstory. The whole time we saw a badass reaper who hides his true intentions, and even that he had the skill in combat. The fact he has many masks made him even more Interesting, and what interesting Character he reveals behind the mask. But all that forfeited for "oh, he is just a Machine". He was just a lifeless thing controlled by a minor Design, and that WHOLE identity vanished for the price of a Plottwist. Same with mystovearn, badass Design but at least the twist had Something. Nevertheless his true Design was bad compared to his former, and got immediately destroyed after his reveal. His Ability was perfect to Controll somebody permantely that he lives as Real threat with vearn. As Writer the Design of your characters should ALWAYS deliver with the mystery & Intention of your characters. Sacreficing a so good Design just for a Plottwist seems to me like a missplay & lazy Move to not give certain Sides (in this case the Villian side) enough love & Development like the Protagonists.
Hadlar is a very good written Character, one of the best I saw in Anime/Manga, but he was written to be a good guy at the end. That's the point, the Villians don't get AS VILLIANS enough Love that they progress. Vearn said "I will punish the gods for their foolish doings" that was perfect that vearn could learn more about why the gods sealed away the monsters/Dragons rather than "the humans haven't the strenght & magic Power of the monsters/dragons".He could Develop like Hadlar, not to an anti-hero or in the last moments to a good guy like Hadlar, but to a Villian who changes his point of view & evolve his same goal that he gets more deepth. But I explain what almost every story should do but never did, cause a Story is only overall good like the writers life Experiences, point of view, and self-reflection. And most of the People just want to fit in rather than being an Individual. Neverthelss, DQ dais writer made a far better job than black clover, and he delivered pretty decent till the last 20% of his Manga. Maybe his editors told him to use certain Ideas & change his certain parts of his Original ideas. Vearn at least was often calm & badass even thou he had just one arm, and he even calls them "fools." Hahaha. And at least the Writer wanted to make clear that the Protagonist never would have a Chance since the Beginning without the guide of the gods. Still very light hearted, but at least a higher power was needed to take the Villian down, not the Protagonist on their own strenght alone. Overall still very dissapointing, but It's an old Manga that delivered better than Black clover, which says Everything about todays shounen Manga imo.
@@Delicashilous not for shock value. killvearn wasn't wasted, it was simply a twist.
i agree about myst vearn, once revealed he was killed easily and without any good story. it was quite disappointing