1998 Le Mans Era Vs 2023 Le Mans Era | ft
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- 25 years ago, another golden age was happening in endurance racing as the 1998 field of cars were on the grid for the 24 Hours Le Mans. Fast forward to now, and another golden age is happening on the 2023 grid of entries for Le Mans and endurance racing motorsports! Myself and GetFaster will now compare both era's of motor racing, by comparing GT1and LMP1 from 1998 vs LMH and LMDh from 2023. Hope you enjoy this video!
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Group C racing was the golden age of endurance racing.
It definitely was! The biggest golden age we ever had! This one was still considered apart of a golden age but it was smaller then Group C
@@FormulaJonah i also love Group C cars especially R89C, R92CP, C9, 962, 962C, and Peugeot 905.
Nah, i prefer the GT1s of the 90s. CLK-GTR, 911 GT1, Mclaren F1 GTR, etc. Golden Age ❤️
Idunno once you've lived through 917s at 230mph down the mulsane . Or unlimited Can Am it's just hard to get worked up about this whole thing. At least group C had an edge.
@@paxwallace8324exactly, the internet seems to forget the group 5 era prototypes like the 917 which were faster in F1 at the time. And of course the madness of the Can Am series.....
I was at Ferrari Challenge (NA) 2 weeks ago at COTA. COTA was nice enough to make tickets completely free, and gave us all paddock/garage access, and even a grid walk. In between one of the sessions they brought out the 2011 F1 Ferrari, which had that beautiful V8 engine, and they also brought out the Ferrari 333 SP, which has a V12. Both of these cars sounded unbelievable. Every time they passed was a moment you never wanted to end. I was just a young kid when F1 cars still had V8s, so being able to hear one in person was a dream come true. And the fact that it was free was insane.
I went to the 2013 Canadian Grand Prix at age 19 at the end of my working holiday in a ski town in Canada. The sound of those V8 engines is otherworldly. So damn loud. How would you rate the volume of the 333 SP and the F1 150 Italia compared to eachother?
@@nomiguda Very similar actually. The 333 SP was maybe just a teeny tiny bit quieter, but I honestly liked the 333 SP a little bit better because it didn't seem to be dual clutch (if it was dual clutch, then it still wasn't as quick as the F1 gearbox), so there were slight gaps between the up shifts which I think sounds awesome. Though seeing the difference in the braking and cornering performance between the two was immense. The 150 italia broke insanely late and turned into the T1 hairpin like it was nothing. After watching the FXX and Challenge cars lap all day, was so cool to see the immense difference.
I can't even begin to imagine what hearing 20-24 of those V8s all at once was like. Must have been deafening. Really sad I'll never get to hear it. the V10s too.
That’s wild I was at the Ferrari Challenge. It was insane how much access we had for a free event!
@@davisowen97 Yeah COTA does a lot of things that really frustrate me, but that event really made up for it. If you don’t already know, GT WC America will be here May 19th-21st. $50 for 3 day pass and it’ll include paddock access. Also will be a grid walk on Saturday or Sunday (pretty sure it’s Sunday). You’d pay at minimum $200 for these kinds of tickets in Europe.
@@BradleyG01 Yeah the speed was something else. Especially when the drivers turned it up in qualifying.
I did the first lap flyby of the GP with no ear protection just because I could. I'm glad I didn't damage my hearing, fuck me that was a slight miscalculation lmao. One car is like, barely tolerable without protection, but 20 is intense.
Wow, that 1998 Toyota GT1 prototype class car was so gorgeous compared to the current Toyota prototypes.
Those 1998 cars were a lot more better looking than their modern counterparts.
i haveto agree. and they have alot more unique styling from each other too
i disagree
They looked a lot closer to their homologated versions.
@@varunpv5050the new Le Mans prototype cars look cool but they’re beautiful. GT1 cars were beautiful
They where sexy AF back then, now the newer leMans ones look like cars with down syndrome
Group C, without a doubt was the best years of endurance racing. It became a celebration of speed that wasn't expensive to participate in and engine regulations were super open, meaning there were loads of participation. Obviously lap times will decrease over time even with the exact same regulations because new techniques have been formed, but this is more about regulations and re-living Group C
Yep. Never forget also the Group C cars that also ever appeared in the legendary Gran Turismo game, GRAN TURISMO 4.
The amount of times the “S” in Le Mans and Chassis was not left silent was criminal
Thank you so much what a great video!
I loved the GT1 class so much and seeing some of those cars at the Nürburgring and Hockenheim was amazing!
It’s very sad that the modern cars mostly have boring V6 turbos..
BMWs V8 is still somewhat nice, but Cadillacs NA is the best engine in the field!
Something that I thought I’d never say as a German haha!
I dont know about you, but do you find now days, racing car manufacturers also find it much more advantageous to have low reving high torque engines. Since modern regulations have strict HP caps the fascination of top speed takes less precedence in the modern era.
Looking forward to attending the fourth 24 le mans 100th anniversary celebration. very happy
I attended the 49th Le Mans 24 in 198. (Icks-Bell, Porsche 936)
that gt one toyota is a thing of beauty
1982-1991 Group C Era
2009-2017 LMP1 Era
1966-1971 Prototype Era
1997-1999 GT1 Era
These for me are the best eras of Le Mans (and the respective championships of the time) in that order. People really sleep on how amazing LMP1 was... Peugeot vs Audi, then Audi vs Toyota, then Audi vs Toyota vs Porsche, then Toyota vs Porsche, all of which wasting never before seen amounts of resources at a category to be on top, and the 2014-2017 battles between Toyota, Audi and Porsche especially were amazing.
Don't let Nostalgia cloud you, the final years of LMP1 were really really good. The amazing Audi vs Porsche battles in 2015, the Audi coming in clutch to win in 2011, the Peugeots downfall in 2010, Audi vs Toyota fighting it out in 2012, the ridiculous and never before seen Toyota DNFing with 3 minutes to go while leading in 2016, the great battles between Porsche and Toyota in 2017...
Let a few years pass and people will realize how good the 2009-2017 LMP1 era was.
But, truth be told, this Hypercar class has everything to be even better than most of these eras (going to be hard to surpass Group C though). And more and more big name manufacturers will join to spice up the competition even more. I just wish the BoP wasn't so intrusive. This is a sport 1st and foremost, and not a show.
Its 100% a show
Would've been cool to see the differences in track times between the LMP1's and the GTP/Hypercars.... Great video and channel!
lmp 1 3:17.297 around le mans hypercar is 3:27.749 around le Mans
@@ludwigwahlstrom318 The Toyota's have done 3:23-24 in qualifying at Le Mans and this years car is much faster.
@@andrewcarter9649 You don't typically use qualifying times, lap records are from race events
@@nomiguda No they're not, lap records are usually from qualifying since thats the fastest a car will usually ever go. All F1 lap records are from qualifying, when Scott Dixon broke the Indy lap record last year it was in qualifying.
You can cook breakfast in the time difference, slow and cheap vs cutting edge
The late 80,s I was working on a Porsche but private entry
Woah that’s amazing! Just curious what team were you working for?
The Porsche 911 GT1 98 is the most beautiful Porsche. I was hoping with 100th year of Le Mans we would get a new model of it, but no announcement yet.
It is rather lovely. I remember being as excited to see it just as a static exhibition over the cars actually racing that day.
The '97 Porsche GT1s were also beautiful. Especially the #6 car. ... I think that was '97.
Nope, the martini racing and Gulfs 917s are the most beautiful..... Second the 908s, and then the 550 spyders......
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo I mean that's your opinion, I don't really rate the Gulf livery, but I do agree the Porsche 917s are also excellent looking cars
@@Dmooreslotreviews count Rossi's street legal 917 is like seeing a Michelangelo statue roll around, it's a sight to behold and comes with a soundtrack to match the looks for sure. That car specifically is my no. 1, bare metal, no livery, some creature comforts on the interior, pure and raw beauty.
This effort made my year
Thank you
Thank you for recognizing the r390 in the first, coldest car ever
the 98' Porsche 911 GT1 is the most beautiful car I've ever seen and that opinion hasn't changed since 98, just everything about it is perfect.
Only one road legal version of the car exists and it's in the Porsche museum in Stuttgart...talk about exclusivity
now we need a whole new simulation RacingGame on consoles
dedicated to the new LeMans/endurance Generation
Definitely!
🔥🔥🔥 thank u so much sir for explaining the new LMP generation
and bringing back memories of the '98 LeMans peak of the era
Of course! Thank you for watching, and glad you enjoyed. :)
This series is gonna be awesome. Toyota has the experience advantage, but rivals are fighting and showing huge potencial to dethrone that GR monster.
Makes me miss my ‘65 Porsche!!
cool video!
The '98 Porsche GT1 livery is so nineties...
...I love it!!!
Damn! The Up Speak is driving me nuts!
Bro, the Gran Turismo music, awesome !
Awesome video. Grew up with the 90s era gt1s but loving the new lmh/lmdh. What’s your views on the BoP situation going into LM? Do you see any chance for Porsche to be close if they have a clean race?
I like how BOP is being kept in the background, its between the teams and WEC, don't want to see on screen graphics, hear teams complaining, or endless commentary on the subject..The invisible hand works well.
Group C and 1999 LeMans Race Cars are the true pinnacles in endurance racing.
Yea maybe, the 917 is often considered the greatest prototype of all time for a reason..... The prototypes were faster then F1 back then..... Then of course the madness of the Can Am, which is still the hardest most dangerous racing series besides group B..........
this video is awesome
Thank you!
Great video and analysis. I was at Le Mans for the first time in 1994 and was fortunate enough to be at 96, 97 and 98 to witness the incredible amount of manufacturers. The 333SP is one of the best sounding sportscars with that amazing V12.
A bunch of us are going to Le Mans this year for the centenary; hoping Porsche, Ferrari and Cadillac can stick with the Toyotas. Peuguot is way off the pace unfortunately.
Peugeot also behind Vanwalls occasionally.
I've always enjoyed the highest specs of endurance racing to be honest I've really been enjoying this year after watching the six hour Spa I now see the potential of that Ferrari has
The first golden age is not gt1 but the groupe c, the monsters of 80's is the big one not other cars!
True there was another golden age before this in the form of Group C. But this is another smaller golden age of the GT1 era.
GT1 is actually just a bunch of Group C cars if you zoom in close enough. The 911 GT1 is mostly a a 962 underneath the body panels.
@@getfasterE36 - I think the Mercedes CLK LM and CLR's engine were a relative of the Sauber Group C car as well.
Could well be the same for the Toyota and Nissan as well but I'd need to check them.
Pretty much every erea from the 50's through to end of Group C was golden in one form or another with a never ending line of classic race cars battling it out for the win.
hypercar is actually a race between batmobiles. cool af
I love them ALL!
Well...we will have to wait for Road Atlanta to make sure that the 963 won't fly go flying 😂
Thanks for the great video.
I think ferrari may be the only cars capable of potentially beating Toyota at this years LeMans 24
Can't wait. Its gonna be epic.
Panoz & Marcos !!
Cmon bruh
I like how the gt one looks very similar to the cars of today.
What are you smoking?
great video but getfaster needs to get a better quality mic ;)
When we were editing this video I thought exactly the same thing. Turns out we are using the same mic. Guess I need to take some notes on FJs mic settings. 😂
Love the way the pegouts look
The last letter, in LE MANS, is an S letter, yet it has to remain silent. Thank you for taking note of it!
4:00 the “Alfa” on the left was built in Automation
True! It was the closest thing to finding a render of an Alfa Romeo Hypercar considering it doesn’t exist yet!
@@FormulaJonah it is a very impressive build!
Ferrari didn't race in LMP1, it was a LMP2 car, what they said: they return after 50 years yet back to pinacle of endurance racing, with the 499P.
According to Wikipedia. All Ferrari 333 SP’s were entered as LMP1 entries in 1998 at Le Mans. Maybe you could elaborate on these LMP2 Ferrari’s a little more so we can determine which is which.
I wouldn't call current era yet "golden age". Sure, there is an interest from the manufacturers and private teams but fanbase is small compared to the past.
It's gonna build over time
Any year with more than two OEMs in the top class is automatically a golden age.
WOW THAT TOYOTA GT ONE LOOKED SO FAR AHEAD OF ITS TIME !!! THAT ONE WAS MY FAVORITE BUT WHO DOESNT LOVE A MCLAREN F1 !!
Late 90's and 80's golden era, LMP1 fastest and most exciting, and new is the budget economy class...... 10 seconds a lap slower than LMP1, but at least it will keep Endurance racing alive which was the fear when nobody wanted to spend big on LMP1, wish they were more closely linked with road cars in appearance as we had hoped with a title hypercars, but this was dropped to keep costs down.........
Road car link was never dropped because it never was a requirement in the first place.
@@deggis4 the term Hypercars has direct links with road cars and current vernacular as it relates to motor vehicles and the original discussion turned to cars such as the Valkyrie being involved (particularly with a bunch of 1000hp+ road cars having hit the market). I agree it was never a mandate of the class, but the reality is the term Hypercars is completely de-coupled to the end formula, which is a low hp control formula, which significantly had Toyota in the room to continue their endurance car platform. No doubt it will be close as all control formulas are with BOP etc. People wave for brands so most if not all will be happy with this new class, including the financiers sitting in tax havens writing the cheques for Porsche and Ferrari's racing efforts at a fraction of what they were 10 years ago.
Part of the GT1 regulations was a requirement for the car to have a space to carry 2 suitcases, obviously the TS020 didn't have said space on account of being a prototype masquerading as a GT car, so Toyota argued that the car passed this requirement since the fuel tank had enough space for 2 suitcases and technically the rules didn't state the luggage space had to be accessible or usable when the car is moving, somehow the ACO bought their argument and allowed them to race.
That is absolutely bullshit and I love it.
@Alae riia it's almost as good as that time when someone built a racecar. Told the race organizers that it was a street car. And then loaded it into a trailer, put racing decals on it and then proceeded to pretend that they were 2 separate cars.
good feature !
[monotone speaker does not help]
17:06 Yes, it won the 2023 24H of Le Mans and ended Toyota consecutive 24H of Le Mans wins.
Diesel Audi and Peugeot had no sound at all back in the day.🤷♂️
The best looking LeMans cars are the Mercedes Porsche and McLaren from 1995 to 1997.
👍
I respect that even in heavily modified and hypercars BMW STILL keeps the grill that looks like a pigs nose
Bummed that you didn’t touch on the Nissan R390 GT1. I understand there isn’t one to compare it to but it was the other podium car for GT1.
It probably would’ve been good to mention it somewhere you are right! We will keep notes of that if another video like this comes to fruition.
Always liked the 917 story.. most just shells on Truck chassis to fake the whatever number needed to get approved hahaha.. I believe in a lot of .. fudging the HP numbers even.. why not . Also why plus 200 mph.. epic . Trans Am.. acid dipped Bodies etc etc haha
Really awesome video great information to get up to speed. But man.... Talk about butchering the words chassis and peugeot 😂
Lol. You should've watched the revision of this from 2 weeks ago. I accidentally said that the #40 mclaren crashed and the #41 mclaren finished 4th whilst the replay of the #41 crashing was on the screen. 😆 🤣 😂 ... I fixed it tho.
@@ryanb9749 😂😂
These newer generation cars are heavy
I won’t say that this got better. But for my taste, old cars and new cars both look good.
I was a big fan of NASCAR and I have to admit that at least, Endurance keeps cool cars, NASCAR car declined time by time
Anyone know why did Mclaren detune the F1 to NOT hit 396KM/ph?
Was it to make it more reliable?
It seems like they cut the legs out from under the car, if you have the legs on all your opponents on the straights....why detune it to only hit 317?
Surely the factory cars were using durable parts by 1998 so why detune it?
Or was it UN-tuned for Quali only then DE-tuned for the race?
Modern tires would make group-c and gt1 cars totally different.
Kindof confused about the crossove between Imsa and Hypercar. I see only 2 or 3 cars compete in both series. Do some cars just refuse to go over seas and vice versa?
For LMDh:
Acura don't compete internationally because it's the US arm of Honda, under their Acura brand, competing in IMSA. It's entirely designed in the USA. Honda Japan would have to approve of international competition.
BMW as the video said will join WEC next year after doing this first year in IMSA only.
Alpine is a offshoot brand of Renault, and they don't really have a presence in the US. So they will enter WEC only.
Cadillac compete in both series. Porsche compete in both series. Lamborghini will enter the Endurance rounds of IMSA and all the whole season of WEC next year with one car each.
For LMH:
The cars are more expensive than LMDh cars, making customer cars less likely to come about.
Ferrari have not indicated they want to enter IMSA. Peugeot has no footprint in the US, so it wouldn't make sense for them to enter. Either team could have a customer car purchased and entered, however.
Isotta Fraschini, Glickenhaus and Vanwall are all botique manufacturers that have sold probably less than 10 cars between them. Competing in the US may happen at some point in the future with a customer entry, but as it stands, they all enter single cars in WEC. They are all just getting started aside from glickenhaus, which has never really been a serious car maker. Isotta Fraschini is likely to debut at this year's last race, and Vanwall just started this year.
@@nomiguda Also Glickenhaus/Vanvall/Isotta can not race in IMSA because of IMSA entry rules requiring the manufacturer to produce 2500 cars annually (globally or in North America). This rule applies to all IMSA categories and it is many years old.
@@deggis4 Change is a sure thing. The only variable is rate. I think that eventually the opportunity to grow the GTP grid with customer botique LMH will be too attractive for IMSA to resist.
Just because loudmouth jimmy glickenhaus didn't get his way doesn't mean it can't be revisited in the future. I don't think there is universal love for him.
I really wish Ferrari could’ve run a v12 and lambo with a v10.
8:08, technically not true, its only the top class prototype they returned to in 2014, since in 2005 Porsche did return to prototype endurance racing with the LMP2 RS Spyder in the ALMS.
That is correct! What I was trying to imply though, was they didn’t return to prototype endurance racing at Le Mans till 2014. I likely should’ve said it differently, or implied the Le Mans word somewhere. Noted for future videos!
The 911 GT1 and the 911 GT1-98 are completely different cars
shame to not hear about the 905 & 908 :)
Those cars will definitely need to be saved for a future video! This video was about the grids of 1998 vs 2023 and beyond and the those Peugeot’s unfortunately were not apart of the era. Thanks for watching!
Old school so much prettier
Where is our glorious gen 6 viper :/
Can anyone tell me what the two front running cars are around like 1:10????
Tbh I had no idea at first! After doing some digging, I found out that it is a Peugeot car ran by Welter Racing during the 1995 24 hours of Le Mans. The car was called the WR LM94, weirdly they were LMP2 entries during the race but both cars retired.
For me, GT1 was the era of 'Meh' but PURELY because before it I had consumed Group C. The GT1 cars were to me boring (I was wrong of course because they were not) but Group C was just so good that most of what came after it was not as good.
Group C and GT1 was peak Le Mans. LMH and LMDh is just meh in comparison. The aero and bodywork on all the cars looks virtually identical (maybe other than Peugot) and lack any of the individual manufacturer look that previous categories had. The engine regulations also despite a bit of freedom with ICE config is rather spec series-ish with conformity to HP and overall car weight. With Toyota basically just modifying their LMP1 for LMH, that essentially ruined my hopes for that category as the spirit of those regulations were clearly more in mind for a GT1 style entry. The other issue is that the LMH and LMDh categories are too similar so long term I see them merging or one just falling by the wayside. I'd like to see a resurgence of true homologated, super/hyper cars ala GT1 or some kind of GT3 class on steroids.
Hypercars and LMDH may look cool but the category is a huge step backwards in terms of performance compared to the mighty LMP1, the TS050 achieved sub 3'15 at Le Mans in 2017 while the GR010 was almost 10 seconds slower in 2022 ! Hypercars could have a difficult time against or even be beaten by LMP2 of 5 years ago, quite disappointing ... so long for the show
While LMH and LMDh may not be exactly the same pace as LMP1, the pros out way the cons in other areas. One is more manufactures, in LMP1 only Toyota was left from 2018 onward. Where in Hypercar in 2024, there will be at least 12 manufacturers for a total of at least 30 hypercars at Le Mans. The cost is also cheaper to build a LMH and LMDh, allowing for more teams to enter such as Glickenhaus and Vanwall. Finally the competition is incredibly high. For sure LMP1 was competitive, but Hypercar and GTP are on a new level. GTP is out of this world, but some will say Hypercar is not doing good because of Toyota’s dominance, although that isn’t true. Toyota is dominating because they have experience in this area. Where others need time to develop. In the past such as Audi vs Toyota from 2012-2015 Audi had the dominant car, where Toyota took 4-5 years to become more competitive. Where in Hypercar we are already seeing improvements from others against Toyota. And it’s only been 3 races! Showing the strength and growth of this category, ushering in a new golden age of motorsports for IMSA and WEC.
why do i feel like lmh class is just downgraded lmp1 class rather that being street legal hyperclass of cars tuned to le mans specs like we were promised (amg one, valkyrie, chiron...)
Hey man, great video even though it was a bit confused on what was the point of this video. These are two completly different eras with some things that are kinda repeating themselves (rise of costs...). But the context between 98' and nowadays is completly different and i don't see where we could compare these eras
We are comparing the new golden age vs the last main golden age of endurance racing. While they are almost completely different, it is good to look at what the golden age in 1998 vs nowadays golden age looked like, and the difference manufacturers cars from back then vs now like Porsche’s GT1 and LMP1 98 vs 963
"Dominating Le Mans in 1998"...
We must have been witnessing different races, or have different ideas of what "dominating" means. The GT-One cars lead for 22.5 hours until the lead had to retire with a gearbox issue.
That is correct. When I say dominating though, I mean results wise. Porsche’s GT1 entries took 1-2 in the race which is considered a very big achievement for a manufacturer, to not just win but take 1-2. Some even call Peugeot’s 2009 win domination even though Audi lead for a stage. But speaking results wise they finished 1-2 same with Porsche in 98. When I listen back though, I can see how that would be confusing since Porsche themselves didn’t dominate the whole race. Probably would’ve been best to have said it differently, if I talk about 98 again and the same circumstance in another video I’ll definitely say it differently.
@@FormulaJonah Thanks for the well thought out response. I wish this would become the norm here at RUclips. One could also easily come to the conclusion that Porsche dominated in 1998 due to how the wikipedia article is currently written. In fact. I took a look there first to see if I misremembered. That was a bad idea.
Can the 963 compete for first position in 2023?
Hopefully! They got 1st last time out at Long Beach in IMSA, so they definitely can there. The WEC is more tricky as I feel they still need to catch up to Toyota and Ferrari, and maybe Cadillac is a step ahead to. Eventually though, they will compete for overall victory in WEC too.
At 1:56 the narrator says "Poresh 962s". Poresh, eh'? Is that Polish or something?
917 era was the best
Those who notice the 787b mazda
I love how so many car/racing/sim racing channels can always rely on Gran Tourismo 4 for some background music 😂😂
The s in Le Mans is silent
The current Le Mans format, to my understanding / observation, appear as a return to what made the glory of the Sport / Prototypes & GT category that was enjoyed throughout the 1960s to the 1980s. The rivalry that ruined the category, beyond the issues relative to sponsorship affiliations, and FIA poorly managed calendars, was otherwise essentially the product of a rivalry between the real calendar [European], and the advent of a rather disruptive situation that issued from another rivalry that of IMSA and the rather 'degenerate' development that became known under that stupid appellation of ''Petite Le Mans'', which resembled the insistent push of America to try to call their sparkling wines 'Champagne', which knowledgeable tastebuds recognized as poor marketing. Fortunately, the younger American generations, as they grew and 'mutate' the public baseline, came to understand their responsibility in limiting the potential they otherwise could have helped unleash. This revived a collaboration with some of the more enlightened members of the FIA, and the ACO - Pierre Fillon, which resulted to the revival we are currently observing, and which by all means should receive a substantial boost from the 24 Hrs of Le Mans Centennial.
2:27 what track is this??
Dijon-Prenois circuit in France
What made LMP1 cars that much more expensive?
More powerful and complex electric power systems and considerably lower minimum weight, from my understanding
The Porsche 911 GT1 of 1998 doesn't really count. It's a straight copy of the McLaren F1 - they bought one, stripped it down and copied the chassis bolt for bolt.
Did this guys just forget about the Porsche RS Spyder? Man I love that car so much.
Wrong decade.
Lets remember Toyota in 2016 and 2017…..😂
Who would win, Current GTs or '98 GTs?
Current pretty easily.
If they had the same rubber, '98 GTs. The '98 GTs have better power to weight ratios. But the modern GTs are significantly more reliable. In 1997, I think 36 cars failed to finish the 24h of LM due to reliability issues. That number might be a little off.
It's worth mentioning that the circuit has changed slightly since 1998, but the Porsche GT1 completed 351 laps. In 2022 the GTE pro winner completed 350 laps.
@@getfasterE36 Lets assume no issues whatsoever on both sides for the whole 24hrs, who wins?
@Gangsta_Playz All 1998 GT1 cars vs all 2022 GTE cars. The TS020 would win. Assuming no mechanical failures. Even though these are considered as "GT" cars, they are actually street legal prototypes. Just like LMH. The only difference is, we aren't getting any cool homologation specials this time. Toyota should make a GR010 road car. Just because.
A difference between lmp1 and Hypercars? I know the sport but not enough for be called a big fan
LMP1 was top category of cars the last few years.
WEC is the World Championship for Endurance racing. It's like F1 just with longer races. WEC currently has 7 races and Le Mans is also part of it.
@@Maenfy oh sorry, i wanted the diff between the lmp1 and Hypercars but I wrote instead of HY wec
Hypercars is a new ruleset
originally it was meant to be road car based, but that requirement was dropped before the series started.
Hypercars has a maximum power, maximum downforce and minimum drag value, but otherwise a lot of design freedom.
LMP didn"t have those performance outcome limits, but an otherwise more prescriptive ruleset, and some balance of performance handicaps to frontrunning cars.
@@illdeletethismusic Uh Interesting. Will the new HY be faster than the LMP1? I know they are slow, but idk how much
@@CedKabandana No they are quite a bit slower than LMP1 cars.
8:02 you mean 1999
Yes! My mistake
easy the 98 completed 351 laps in 24h in 2022 they would be 28th with that results, in the pole position they would be in the 26th position. so why even compare? its a different era with different cars and rules. forgedabbaditbro!
Watch Ferrari get more success in WEC they end up selling their F1 team
Sorry but just skipping the 919? What?!?
Well we are talking about the difference between 1998 and 2023. The 919 was in between that
I couldn`t, during the entire video understand: Which Category - back than & today... Was the intentional restricted "light weights"(and budget wise)... which were are ment to represent cars that develop technologies which latter on can be even further downscaled and implemented in real long, lasting efficient products in the common people automobiles. And which one was the F you we pour the entire automobile manufacturer resource capacity in terms of money, materials, engineer previous, current and future know how and build something that we intend to eventually be part of a spaceship, technology wise (even thou we are gonna go ahead and assume People that build Jet Fighter airplanes for governments are much closer to that, than more or less private conglomerates, as world wide successful they are and by Governments I mean USA, Russia and China and not Czechoslovakia per say, sorry Czechoslovakia, not you). Also what amazes me is ~how and why there are regulations in that class... Makes no sense... If there are 5 world wide manufactures that can afford to participate in the "Unrestricted" gasoline, not jet engine, propelled engine class... let 5 cars race... let`s see who truly builds best of best. However I actually just to immediately contradict myself want 2 actual regulations. A) One and the same top shelf public available fuel for all cars B) No larger than 21` wheels on >one and the same tire manufacturer< for all cars... One brand, one and the same compounds, one and the same everything on all cars.
Equal Fuel, Equal Tires. From than onwards there is 1 more "self Imposing" rule... Number of required laps or in this particular case "participate in 24 hours race without refuel breaks working counter efficiently" From than onwards 5 liters displacement, 10 litters displacement, Aero, No Aero, Suspensions, Cambers, Materials, Pressures, >Whatever of those according to those that can afford it makes the most of "that fuel" and "those tires"< Also here also play those hybrid things... put it on... don`t put it on... make it recuperate, don`t make it recuperate. Make it recharge during refuel phase for a little, make it "steal" of car`s HPs to regenerate... make it heavy, make it light... You chose weather you need it actually really in the car or >absolutely not
Does anyone sells tickets for this year le mans?
I don't know mam, I think Hypercar is boring.
Nissan won in le mans it the 300zx ir Steve millan
A little painful to hear your content creator partner get faster mispronounce Porsche and then Le Mans
and chassisssssss
WHATS UP WITH ALL THE NEW RULES AND ONLY HAVING TT V6'S !!!??? I BET THEY GET JUST AS BAD AS FUEL ECONOMY AS THE TURBO'D CARS FROM 1998 LOLOL !!! WHAT A JOKE. BRING BACK COOL ENGINES INSTEAD OF FORCING EVERYONE TO USE THE EXACT SAME ENGINE FORMAT. V10S ! V12 'S !! HELL EVEN ROTARYS !!
All Hypercars can choose their own engines. The majority are just picking V6’s and V8’s because it’s more efficient. No one has picked anything different yet, but if De Tomaso or Veloqx join they will both likely use a V12
Lets just hope that Bernie the dictator doesn’t find a way to kill the series again…
I think the name change from LMP1 to LMH is FUCKING STUPID❗️
Just change the rules NOT the name of the class.
ALSO, what’s the point of having a mostly spec series (LMDH) that’s just an cheap copy of LMH with LMP2 chassis from 4 DIFFERENT manufacturers, that race with the premier class cars…❓
I would rather they did a semi-spec series version of LMP2 that creates a cheaper form of GT1, that supplies the chassis, hybrid systems and allows manufacturers and customer teams to field cost-effective versions of their top-of-the-line Hypercars, just like they wanted to do with the Ford GT, Aston Martin Valkyrie, Ferrari SF90, Lamborghini Sian, Bugatti Bolide, Mercedes ONE and Lotus Evora.
THEY COULD MAKE THIS HAPPEN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY JUST DID IT WITH A 75% COST REDUCTION TO MAKE
LMH FROM LMP1❗️
The name change was kind of necessary as we now have to different comcepts (LMH and LMDh) and the rules are so different now that a comparison with LMP1 wouldn't make sense.
LMDh mainly exists for teams that used to race in IMSA. I'd rather have Porsche, Cadillac, BMW and maybe Honda in the future instead of keeping them in IMSA for no reason.
Manufacturers still can enter road legal cars in the top class but nobody has done it so far. It probably wouldn't make much sense either. When Peugeot is struggeling with a pure race car I doubt anybody can compete with a road based car.
@@Maenfy
I don’t think you actually understand what I said, because most of what you are saying has already been covered in my comment.
1. We don’t need LMDH. The FIA could’ve kept the LMP1 name instead of changing it to LMH.
Then they could’ve linked LMP1 with IMSA like they’re currently doing.
2. WEC previously talked about allowing manufacturers to take their road Hypercars and running them in a serious.
The WEC instead chose to bastardize that option by making them LMP2 chassis and calling it LMDH.
The Ford GT and Aston Martin Valkyrie were already set to go on this plan before the FIA changed the concept.
@@JordanReedYT 1. Yeah but what would be the point of that? The cars are totally different so keeping the same name would be more confusing than anything. People would ask why the same class is 5 seconds slower all of a sudden, that's not really a good look.
2. The WEC didn't invent LMDh, IMSA did that. Most of their manufacturers want to keep running a similar platform and that's what they are doing. The FIA also didn't change the rules. You can still enter a road car if you build at least 50 production cars. Aston Martin let the ACO change the rules and then quit because of F1, not the other way around. Also there were no offical plans by Ford. Why would they, they didn't have a Prototype car for years now.
@@Maenfy
1. Have you never seen the open-cockpit LMP1 cars OR modern F1 which are far slower.
The WEC wanted to reduce the cost because all of the WEC manufactures (except for two) dropped out.
They also capped the power and lowered aero requirements to make the racing more competitive (again just like F1 did for 2021).
2. You missed the entire point here.
The current LMDH rules were originally concepted by the WEC back in 2017 for the LMP3 class cars.
The goal was to create prototype cars based around road going super cars make a Ford GT, but using supplied chassis, hybrid, power units, and transmissions.
A semi-spec version of GT1 with cheaper and slower cars, because manufacturers like VW and Toyota wanted to create a class to develop Road usable technologies.
Eventually, they got both Ford and Aston Martin on board with the program, but when the WEC decided not to pursue this proposed rules Ashton Martin was already in talks to purchase the racing point F1 team, and decided not to pursue both F1 and LMH.
Then in 2019-2020 IMSA wanted to replace their DTI class and adopted be concept WEC rules to make LMDH.
THIS IS THE ENTIRE REASON WHY THE WEC AGREED TO THE JOINT CLASS WITH IMSA.
Why do you think IMSA uses LMP chassis and components?
How can you be a Motorsport content creator and not know how to pronounce le mans
Are you referring to my pronunciation or Get Faster’s?
Get faster
Le Mans was awesome until Audi came in and out spent everyone to dominance, making the series mega boring.
These cars look terrinle.
I agree, I think it is an underestimated thing, we want too look at cool looking cars in the end. The audience does not care about the specs of a car, just make them cool