Amen! ♥ Thank you very much for this clear study! This was a clear message and not as complicated as the Trinitaria! God's word is not complicated, any child could understand it if they wanted to! God bless you!
Thank you for this presentation. Some of my family left the church because they do not believe any more that the Godhead is three Persons. I will send this presentasion to them. I am from South Africa and even a pastor we had changed to the believe that the Holy Spirit is not a person. He was angry with me and he changed our hymn at the beginning of sermon-time because it revealed three persons of the Godhead. Even Ellen White said we sing that song together, it ends with "Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Excellent message brother. Thanks be to God! I've been working on a sermon for some time now on this subject, but since it's such a divine subject, I haven't hastened to present it. I've been keeping it in prayer and the Lord has been revealing gems of His truth here and there to me and I believe I've found a few more of His gems in the message He has given you. God bless and Godspeed!
Thank you. May the Lord bless you in developing His revelation in you. We all catch some light, and we can all say something of our experience with God.
Oh dear. Question, what is the context here? What are they ONE IN? Please read back through all prior in 5. They are one in confessing Jesus is the Son of God. They are not one god. Now go on to 5:8. By saying they are ONE, is saying they are in agreement. There is God the Father, Jesus the Son of God, and their Holy Spirit. As the spirit of prophecy said, “we want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ.” The trinity is the pagan god of Babylon, sun god worshiped on Sunday. The trinity is the trinity, the SDA church IS A TRINITARIAN CHURCH, accepted and active in trinitarian only, councils.
I respect your understanding and stance, and we should be able to discuss our understanding in a Christ like manner as children of God, even if we do not agree. Not having the same understanding of a doctrine or belief does not make either of us a devil. Rather, our beliefs should make us more Christ-lik in words, tone, attitudes, patience, tolerance, etc.
@@BgSkyGrl The SDA doctrines support the Biblical view of the Godhead. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are God, as I explained from the Bible. Your out of context quote from the SOP proves nothing.
@@profitfromprophets2411 the fundamental belief is not the Godhead, it is the trinity. These aren’t interchangeable, but are different. The belief used to be the Godhead, but that is no longer the case.
Excellent presentation! I'm going to share this with a friend who is confused about this topic. It's tough to convince people once they enter into this false teaching, but praying the Holy Spirit will get through. Thank you!
For those who are Thinking that way. What are we going to do if we live forever? Psalms 16:11 This verse covers every aspect of this thought Psalm 16:11 KJV [11] Thou wilt shew me the path of life: In thy presence is fulness of joy; At thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.
Christ gave his followers a positive promise that after his ascension he would send them his Spirit. “Go ye therefore,” he said, “and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father [a personal God], and of the Son [a personal Prince and Saviour], and of the Holy Ghost [sent from heaven to represent Christ]: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you; and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” {RH October 26, 1897, par. 9}
Hello Marko! I dont believe there to be as much confusion amongst the members as is being portrayed by all the sermons directed towards the laity. The confusion has come by the wording in the 28 FB specifically that of #2. The description of God put forward cannot be backed either by the bible or the writings of sister White. Until this is changed the confusion will continue. I believe that more conversations and sermons should be directed by these pastors towards leadership in leading positions on this matter than towards the people. Please read the book called "One God One Church" by John Whitcomb. It makes clear where lays most of the responsability for this being a point of contention amongst us. Blessings from an old acquaintance.
My messages are for both laity and leadership, and I agree that there is a large responsibility on the part of the leadership to address this properly. However, I would say that if it was not such an issue among the laity there would not be so many positive responses to anti-Godhead positions on those ministry's sermons. I agree that there needs to be a proper statement in the 28 FB, but that probably not going to happen. However, despite wrong statements, the laity need corrective messages and this why I am speaking on the issue. Thanks for watching!. Blessings.
If it is the #2 statement that has caused the issue at hand it seems rather unfortunate to not correct it at the same place that it started. This will never go away but in fact increase....if both laity and ministers are having FB#2 being used as a test of faith instead of the bible then we either need to protest more or concede that we are no longer protestants. Its interesting that I as a member can no longer live by the statements on my baptismal vow statement and be a member in good standing. Why is this? Its because I was baptised before 1980. Pls read the book I suggested. Blessings Marco!
I was starting to see this about the same time you were doing your practicum teaching in the Bentley church. I took me about 5 years to really recognize how unbiblical #2 statement really is and how broad its affect on so much of our understandings of the word of God has been its effect. I know that the (anti- trin) teaching( which is only a pendulum swing) is the direct result of the #2 statement. I think if our leaders would have been more anti FB #2 statement when voting in 1980 we would not now be in the situation we now find ourselves. I dont like the ANTI terms applied to people of any kind but I pray you understand my point.
@@byronhirschkorn6066 Oh Bently! That brings back memories. I really enjoyed working with the Bently church. Was one of my favorite places to minister. I'm guessing much has changed since the time I was there. Yes I get what you mean. And I appreciate your comments. Will look up that book! Blessings.
Worshipping Jesus is adultery? That's insanity! I can't believe someone told Marco this. These people are so lost. Because I keep the Sabbath and don't do any work on the Sabbath, my neighbor mocked me because I go to church and obey the 10 commandments. She told me she's sick of my religion. Wow! I'm sorry for her
And the LORD said, *My Spirit shall not always strive with man* for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. {Genesis 6:3} They angered him also at the waters of strife, so that it went ill with Moses for their sakes: *Because they provoked his Spirit* so that he spake unadvisedly with his lips. {Psalm 106:33} In all their affliction he was afflicted, and *the angel of his presence* saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled, *and vexed his holy Spirit* therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. {Isaiah 63:9-10} (Ps 78:40-41) *The Spirit of God hath made me* and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life. {Job 33:4} Cast me [David] not away *from thy presence* and take not *thy holy Spirit* from me. {Psalm 51:11} (The holy Spirit is omnipresent) Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. {Psalm 139:7-10} Then was *Jesus led up of the Spirit* into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. {Matthew 4:1} “And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: *but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him* neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” {Matthew 12:32} (Mark 3:28-29) “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you *another* [of the same kind] Comforter that he may abide with you for ever; Even *the Spirit of truth* whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; *for he dwelleth with you* and shall be in you.” {John 14:16-17} "But the Comforter, which is *the Holy Ghost* whom the Father will send in my name, *he shall teach you* all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever *I have said* unto you.” {John 14:26} “But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause. But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, *he shall testify* of me:” {John 15:26-27} “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, *the Comforter* will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when *he* is come, *he* will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:” {John 16:7-8} (This is why grieving the holy Spirit cannot be forgiven if we do not allow him to convict us of our unrighteousness.) (The holy Spirit is omniscient) “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, *he will guide you into all truth* for *he shall not speak of himself* but whatsoever *he shall hear* that *shall he speak* and *he will shew you* things to come.” {John 16:13} And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, *as the Spirit gave them utterance* {Acts 2:4} (read verses 1-3 also for context) (The holy Spirit is omnipotent) But Peter said, Ananias, why hath satan filled thine heart *to lie to the Holy Ghost* and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? *thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God* And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. {Acts 5:3-5} [Steven] Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, *ye do always resist the Holy Ghost* as your fathers did, so do ye. {Acts 7:51} Then *the Spirit said unto Philip* Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. {Acts 8:29} While Peter thought on the vision, *the Spirit said unto him* Behold, three men seek thee. Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: *for I have sent them* {Acts 10:19-20} As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, *the Holy Ghost said* Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. {Acts 13:2} For *it seemed good to the Holy Ghost* and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; {Acts 15:28} Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, *and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia* After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: *but the Spirit suffered them not* {Acts 16:7-8} *The Spirit itself* beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: {Romans 8:16} Likewise *the Spirit* also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but *the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us* with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints *according to the will of God* {Romans 8:26-27} Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, *and for the love of the Spirit* that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me; {Romans 15:30} And *grieve not the holy Spirit of God whereby ye are sealed* unto the day of redemption. {Ephesians 4:30} But God hath revealed them unto us *by his Spirit* for *the Spirit searcheth all things* yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, *but the Spirit of God* {1 Corinthians 2:10-11} But all these worketh that *one and the selfsame Spirit* dividing to every man severally *as he will* For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For *by one Spirit* are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into *one Spirit* {1 Corinthians 12:11-13} Now *the Spirit speaketh expressly* that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; {1 Timothy 4:1} Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. {Hebrews 3:7-9} How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through *the eternal Spirit* offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? {Hebrews 9:14} Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? {Hebrews 10:29} “He that hath an ear, let him hear what *the Spirit* saith unto the churches.” {Revelation 2:7; 2:11; 2:17; 2:29; 3:6; 3:13; 3:22} And *the Spirit* and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. {Revelation 22:17}
Strong's Concordance déloó: to make plain, declare Original Word: δηλόω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: déloó Phonetic Spelling: (day-lo'-o) Definition: to make plain, declare Usage: I show, make clear, reveal. The Book of Habakkuk Chapter 2.
Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins *but God* only? {Mark 2:7} Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, *God with us* {Matthew 1:23} And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: *God* was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. {1 Timothy 3:16} “I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.” {John 10:11} ... “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.” {John 10:14} The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want... {Psalm 23:1a} I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no Saviour. {Isaiah 43:11} And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. {John 20:28} Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. {Isaiah 48:12} And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; "I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, *and was dead* and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.” {Revelation 1:17-18} Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: {Philippians 2:5-6} He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. {John 1:10} For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; {Colossians 1:16-19} But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, *from everlasting* {Micah 5:2}
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts;👉 I am the first, and I am the last👈=(Jesus)👉; and beside me there is no God.=(Jesus) Isaiah 48:11-16 11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another. 12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.👈Jesus 13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. 14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans. 15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous. 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God👈(the Father), and his Spirit👈(Holy Spirit), hath sent me. Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:👈Jesus Revelation 4:8 8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come👈 = Jesus Revelation 4:11 King James Version 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.👈=Jesus Revelation 4:11 Wycliffe Bible 11 Thou, Lord our God, art worthy to take glory, and honour, and virtue; for thou madest of nought all things, and for thy will those were [and for thy will they were], and be made of nought👈= Jesus
ON THE THRONE THERE IS ONLY THE FATHER AND HIS SON, JESUS , NO THREE PERSONS SIMPLE AS THAT MAYBE BECOMES IN THREE PERSONS BECAUSE THE SPIRIT IS A PART OF GOD YU CAN NOT DIVISE HIM LIKE I HAVE A BODY, A SOUL AND SPIRIT IT STILL ME ONE PERSON
The 28 Fundamental Principles of the SDA Church was already established during the first fifty years of Adventism. . .any new light should not contradict the old but only strengthen. .. However, the SDA Version of the Trinity contradicts the SDA FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES OF 1872-1889 as stated in the record. .Mrs Wite is very clear who was the Third Person is or the Holy Spirit is, "They have one God and one Saviour, and one Spirit - the Spirit of Christ.” (9T 189) “The Holy Spirit is Himself” (Jesus). This statement is absolutely unanswerable and has converted many to the truth." {14MR 23.3}“The Holy Spirit, which proceeds from the only begotten Son of God” {RH April 5, 1906}
Instead of quoting "The Holy Spirit is Himself” and saying it refers to Jesus let us see what EGW said in context. "Although our Lord ascended from earth to heaven, the Holy Spirit was appointed as His representative among men. "If ye love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you forever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless" [John 14:15-18]. {14MR 23.2} Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS HIMSELF DIVESTED OF THE PERSONALITY OF HUMANITY AND INDEPENDENT THEREOF. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall (although unseen by you), [THIS PHRASE WAS ADDED BY ELLEN WHITE.] teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you" [John 14:26]. "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will come not unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you" [John 16:7]. {14MR 23.3} " So the meaning you put to that quote is not correct. What EGW here is contrasting Jesus who IS invested with the personality (personality here being the human personhood that cannot be in more than one place at a time) of humanity is contrast to the Holy Spirit who is not so limited so that HE can be the presence of Christ "in all places" EGW clearly makes a difference between the Person of Christ who ASCENDED, and the Person of the Holy Spirit who DESCENDED The Holy Spirit is the "Another" Comforter. Therefore EGW clearly referred to the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit as a 'trio' not a 'duo'. "There are THREE living persons of the heavenly TRIO; in the name of these THREE great powers --the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit--those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ."-- Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pp. 62, 63. (1905) {Ev 615.1} "The THREE powers of the Godhead, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, are pledged to be their strength and their efficiency in their new life in Christ Jesus." {AUCR, October 7, 1907 par. 9} "The THREE powers of the Godhead have pledged their might to carry out the purpose that God had in mind when he gave to the world the unspeakable gift of his Son. " RH July 18 1907 "In the great closing work we shall meet with perplexities that we know not how to deal with; but let us not forget that the THREE GREAT POWERS of heaven are working, that a divine hand is on the wheel, and that God will bring His promises to pass. He will gather from the world a people who will serve Him in righteousness." 624 {Counsels for the Church 356.5}
You don't get a SDA trinity or a catholic trinity.Trinity is pagan. You get the Father (I am)and His begotten Son and the Father's spirit that is in His Son, angels and all created beings. Please listen to Nader Mansour.
@@profitfromprophets2411The trinity sir. Is not biblical. If you would look up the meaning of the word " OF " and the word " Spirit" and " Person" you will have to conclude their is no third person in the bible.
@@SamuelW-ih2ez "19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God. I have no problem with the Bible.
@@profitfromprophets2411 As a Bible believing christian, we were though not to build our faith on one text of scripture . Jesus said in the mouth of two or three the thing is confirm. That is the only scripture in the bible. The disciples all baptize in Jesus name. Samuel Wilson utub, which ship are you in.
@@SamuelW-ih2ez It is the scripture that most clearly defines the exact point and the one that you are exactly ignoring. So continue to ignore it, but wise and faithful Christians take it for what it means: Since the Father is God, and the Son is God, then the Holy Spirit mentioned here must also be God. Period.
Brother Marko, I came across your channel on Sabbath September 21, 2024, and have been blessed by your sermons and ministry. I believe God's Spirit is leading you. However, I noticed a marked change in this presentation. Your tone sounds similar to those you called hypocrites. To the GC leaders the last four years and everything that happened is a side issue, but not to you and many of us. To you who God is is a side issue, but not to many of us. Should you be placed in the same group with Mark, Ted, etc? No! Many brethren have many Bible texts that they understand not to support the trinity doctrine. Are you willing to talk with and listen to them, as with the issue of religious liberty? As an Adventist, a part from the many Bible texts, which we can talk about, how would you explain Patriarchs and Prophets character one, the Story of Redemption chapters 1-3, and the Desire of Ages last chapter? This topic is also a matter of liberty of conscience. Let us talk about it as brethren in a Christ like spirit.
Brother, I am entirely settled on the Godhead. The Catholic trinity is not what I teach, because it is not found in the Bible or the Spirit of prophecy. The Bible is clear, we are baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. So, that means that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are God. I have several videos on the subject where I clearly outline my views which are entirely in line with the Bible and the SOP. If you think that makes me a hypocrite, I leave that up to you. The issue of br Vine is not a side issue. It is a core issue that is facing our people. If we are not clear here we will not face the mark of the beast crisis in the right way and many will be lost.
@@profitfromprophets2411 There are many biblical and EGW truths you state regarding the Holy Spirit, but then you bring in many side issues that dilute your message.
Brethren, our established beliefs as Seventh-Adventist, should not be known as trinitarian or trinity, but instead Tritheism. Divinity is composed of three equally powerful entities, as generally conceived. Three Gods (in the Godhead), singular in meaning. While, the trinity doctrine, where god is one being eternally existing in three person's, or one god three person's 3 or 1. John 8:32.
Hello Gina. I've deleted your other comments because they were a repetition of this comment. I do not allow spammed comments on my channel. I don't think using the term tritheism is useful either. We believe in the Godhead. We should leave it at that. That is the term in Scripture and the one Ellen White uses.
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts;👉 I am the first, and I am the last👈=(Jesus)👉; and beside me there is no God.=(Jesus) Isaiah 48:11-16 11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another. 12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.👈Jesus 13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. 14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans. 15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous. 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God👈(the Father), and his Spirit👈(Holy Spirit), hath sent me. Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:👈Jesus Revelation 4:8 8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come👈 = Jesus Revelation 4:11 King James Version 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.👈=Jesus Revelation 4:11 Wycliffe Bible 11 Thou, Lord our God, art worthy to take glory, and honour, and virtue; for thou madest of nought all things, and for thy will those were [and for thy will they were], and be made of nought👈= Jesus
1 John 5:7 - this Bible text was added. SDA Bible commentary advised not to use this text to support trinity doctrine. Please read SDA Bible commentary before presenting to members and cause confusion!
There is no confusion. The SDA Bible commentary is not inspired. It has much good. But in this case it is severely lacking any basis for its position. The truth is that it is in the Textus Receptus, it speaks to the truth in general of scripture, and EGW nearly says the very same thing though does not quote it directly. So upon these things I find the text to be as it stands in the text of scripture that is the basis of the Reformation.
I are not a Christian but to my understanding, we cannot say God is one and yet three person.we have to say "these three" . There is a circulation within the one God, father son and the holyghost, these three cannot be without one another. Creation could not be by the Father alone, Son and the holyghost had to join in.
Marko, i first came across your website on Dr Gaoune Diop on rejection of the 3AM. Then i watch your presentation on Ps Mark Finely regarding Br Vine. I hold up you for appropriately on criticism towards apostasy in the GC about the leaders including the president Ted Wilson. I believed and followed you. But on this presentation i on the Trinity i lost my trust in you. You seem to be aligned with the contemporary GC leaders in upholding the Trinity doctrine introduced into the Fundamental Belief in 1980. In the formative years of SDA church, the pioneers rejected the trinity that was introduced in 325AD. Sabbath changed into Sunday worship in 321AD. They were Non- Trinitarian. You were cherry 🍒 picking or selecting incomplete quotations. You never used any of the most trustworthy pioneer and prophetess in EGW. There are surplus quotations on the Holy Spirit been the Spirit of God. john 4.24. Holy Spirit does not have flesh and bone. Luke 24:39. In this case in Gen1:2 how can the Spirit of God hover on the waters in when Holy Spirit is believed to be a person as per the Trinity doctrine. O' help me please😂. Dont you believe these words in omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient??? It us the omnipresent Spirit of God which is known as Holy Spirit because God is Holy. Holy Spirit has the personality of God. Please Markso research on EGW writings and quotations on the Holy Spirit. The bible is PLAIN and synchronised with the SOP on the Holy Spirit. Isaiah 28:10,13. Don't aligned with the GC leaders in using human philosophy to define Elohim into plurality and singular. There is no plain scriptures to support that thinking.😴. I would rather say its Satan planting that thoughts into the mind. Satan is getting the worship in the Trinity doctrine as the person. By the way Godhead does not mean trinity but divinity, please compare with other bible translations.The word “Godhead” is found 3 times in the KJV Bible (Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; Colossians 2:9)
"You never used any of the most trustworthy pioneer " I did. The Bible, and Ellen White. They are the most trusted pioneers of truth. If they do not satisfy you, then nothing else will. I don't teach the trinity, I teach the Godhead as the Bible does.
@@profitfromprophets2411 Trinitarian use Godhead to mean TRINITY....but the bible in three text (Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; Colossians 2:9) in another translation means divine
“The terms “Holy Ghost”, are a harsh and repulsive translation. It should be “Holy Spirit” (hagion pneuma) in every instance. This Spirit is the Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ; the Spirit being the same whether it is spoken of as pertaining to God or Christ. But respecting this Spirit, the Bible uses expressions which cannot be harmonized with the idea that it is a person like the Father and the Son. Rather it is shown to be a divine influence from them both, the medium which represents their presence and by which they have knowledge and power through all the universe, when not personally present.” - (Uriah Smith, RH, Oct 28, 1890) “The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” - (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3)
@@sharkeyterim1197 If you watched the videos I did you would see the difference between Trinity and Godhead. That is why I use the term Godhead for the words Trinity are somewhat theologically charged. Yet the irony is that non trinitarians end up teaching a modified version of the Catholic trinity. They put down Jesus, they make him a created being, they claim to worship Jesus is a kind of idolatry, they claim Jesus is two people JESUS and THE HOLY SPIRIT (which is type of Catholic Trinitarianism). The Bible is plain, we are baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. That all those appear in the same text tells me all I need to know, and it tells you too. But you won't submit to the text.
@@sharkeyterim1197 Holy Ghost is found on the EGW CD rom used by EGW 1457 times. She quoted the texts as they are. Stop being the language police for everyone.
Its okay to be wrong but its not okay to be stubborn. It could be you who is being stubborn but thinking you are right and telling others not to be stubborn. If you can never explain it then step down and dont DICTATE to others who may understand differently. If you really want to know many you tube channels express what the pioneer adventists understood. If the 3 great powers meant what you are saying then EGW would have confessed differently, but she NEVER DID.
EGW is THE pioneer. She said the Holy Spirit is a person. Full stop. The stubbornness and the wrongness is clearly on the side that will not acknowledge her plain words.
In the dictionary that sister White had in her library here is the definition for (person) 1. The part in life which one plays. 2. A humon being represented in fiction or on stage; a character. 3. External appearance; bodily form or appearance. 4. Humon frame; body; as, cleanly in person. 5. A human being; a being possessed of personality; a man, woman, child; a human creature. 6. A human being, as distinguished from an animal, or a inanimate object. 7. An individual; one; a man. 8. A term applied to each of the three beings of the Godhead. 9. The parson or rector of a parish. Of (Personality) Ordinary language; 1. The quality or state of being personal; direct application or applicability to a person; specific., application or applicability of remarks to the person, conduct, manners, or habits of some individual. 2. A remark reflecting on the person, conduct, manners, or habits of an individual; personal remarks. 3. That which constitutes individuality; that which constitutes an individual a distinct person; existence as a thinking being. Natural Theology, ch. xxiii. 4. Application limited to certain persons, or classes of persons. 5. Personal qualities, or characteristics 6. A personage, a person. 7. Person, body. “There is one question which has been much controverted in the theological world upon which we have never presumed to enter. It is that of the personality of the Spirit of God. Prevailing ideas of person are very diverse, often crude, and the word is differently understood; so that unity of opinion on this point cannot be expected until all shall be able to define precisely what they mean by the word, or until all shall agree upon one particular sense in which the word shall be used. But as this agreement does not exist, it seems that a discussion of the subject cannot be profitable, especially as it is not a question of direct revelation. We have a right to be positive in our faith and our statements only when the words of Scripture are so direct as to bring the subject within the range of positive proof. “We are not only willing but anxious to leave it just where the word of God leaves it. From it we learn that the Spirit of God is that awful and mysterious power which proceeds from the throne of the universe, and which is the efficient actor in the work of creation and of redemption.” (The Spirit of God; Its Offices and Manifestations, pp. 8, 9. 1877) Willie White writing a letter in response to a question asked him of what he understood of his mother's teaching on the personality of the holy spirit; “ I learned from the dictionary that one of the meanings of personality, was Characteristics. It is stated in such a way that I concluded that there might be personality without bodily form which is possessed by the Father and the Son.” (Letter to H. W. Carr, dated 30‐4‐1935) Your right, sister White did say person, full stop. That being said; it's the entirety of her published works that is to determine which definition she was attaching to the words person and personality, and not how we tend to use those words.
You are wrong. If you aren’t careful, before long you will leave the church to join other disgruntled splinter groups like the Shepherd’s Rod and others and turn against your former church and former brethren declaring us to be lost and in error and the church itself Babylon…..you are on a slippery slope. Think about all those disgruntled former SDAS that joined David Koresh and look what happened to them. Walk in the light while ye have the light lest darkness fall upon you.
I don't get it! YOUR teaching is NOT what the Pioneers taught back in EGW day, it is this teaching you are teaching that is bring in the confusion! the Holy Spirit IS CHRIST! not someone else! this is what EGW and the others taught! sorry buddy you are STILL a Catholic and are teaching Catholic doctrine! constantly denying it's the same thing as the Catholic teach, does not make it so!
You don't know the truth because you are like the Catholics, looking to 'the fathers'. Here is the premiere pioneer EGW clearly telling you you are wrong. You don't know what you are worshiping. The sad thing is you are actually the trinitarian. Trinitarian creed “And yet there are not three eternal beings, but one who is eternal; as there are not three uncreated and unlimited beings, but one who is uncreated and unlimited. Almighty is the Father; almighty is the Son; almighty is the Spirit: And yet there are not three almighty beings, but one who is almighty.” EGW “There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.”-Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pp. 62, 63. (1905). { Ev 615.1} As a little child you will be saved if you submit to what EGW said in opposition to the trinity doctrine. The three great powers of heaven are The Father, The Son, AND The Holy Spirit. Deal with it.
Amen! ♥
Thank you very much for this clear study!
This was a clear message and not as complicated as the Trinitaria! God's word is not complicated, any child could understand it if they wanted to! God bless you!
Thank you for this presentation. Some of my family left the church because they do not believe any more that the Godhead is three Persons. I will send this presentasion to them.
I am from South Africa and even a pastor we had changed to the believe that the Holy Spirit is not a person.
He was angry with me and he changed our hymn at the beginning of sermon-time because it revealed three persons of the Godhead. Even Ellen White said we sing that song together, it ends with "Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
You're welcome! It's sad to hear that happened. I hope that they will recover themselves.
@@patrickstevenson4124 You cannot convincingly preach the three angel's messages if you deny the Father, the Son, AND the Holy Spirit.
“It takes God to communicate God”. Love it, that makes so much sense. Praise God The Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Thanks for the comment brother!
Excellent message brother.
Thanks be to God!
I've been working on a sermon for some time now on this subject, but since it's such a divine subject, I haven't hastened to present it. I've been keeping it in prayer and the Lord has been revealing gems of His truth here and there to me and I believe I've found a few more of His gems in the message He has given you. God bless and Godspeed!
Thank you. May the Lord bless you in developing His revelation in you. We all catch some light, and we can all say something of our experience with God.
Very good explanation. I understand so much better. When you broke down the Hebrew, it all made sense. The Lord, God, etc. Thank you.
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
Amen!
Oh dear. Question, what is the context here? What are they ONE IN? Please read back through all prior in 5. They are one in confessing Jesus is the Son of God. They are not one god. Now go on to 5:8. By saying they are ONE, is saying they are in agreement. There is God the Father, Jesus the Son of God, and their Holy Spirit. As the spirit of prophecy said, “we want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ.” The trinity is the pagan god of Babylon, sun god worshiped on Sunday. The trinity is the trinity, the SDA church IS A TRINITARIAN CHURCH, accepted and active in trinitarian only, councils.
I respect your understanding and stance, and we should be able to discuss our understanding in a Christ like manner as children of God, even if we do not agree. Not having the same understanding of a doctrine or belief does not make either of us a devil. Rather, our beliefs should make us more Christ-lik in words, tone, attitudes, patience, tolerance, etc.
@@BgSkyGrl The SDA doctrines support the Biblical view of the Godhead. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are God, as I explained from the Bible. Your out of context quote from the SOP proves nothing.
@@profitfromprophets2411 the fundamental belief is not the Godhead, it is the trinity. These aren’t interchangeable, but are different. The belief used to be the Godhead, but that is no longer the case.
This was the most clear teaching on the Godhead I have found, thanks for the sermon!
Glad it was helpful!
You make me want to study the bible. Thank you so much for making it so clear. God bless you and your family. ❤
That is a wonderful compliment! Thank you, God bless.
Revelation 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
What about 'god the spirit'?
Where does he sit?
You really don't understand do you?@@canadiancontrarian3668
Awesome preacher, awesome presenter! Now this was an excellent sermon! HIT THE THUMBS BUTTON IF YOU LIKED IT
THANK YOU MY BROTHER FOR STANDING FOR THE TRUTH! THE DEVIL IS A LIAR! GOD BLESS YOU!
Good teaching 🙏. Easy and quick way to think of God is. One God, 3 beings.
Thankyou!
Excellent presentation! I'm going to share this with a friend who is confused about this topic. It's tough to convince people once they enter into this false teaching, but praying the Holy Spirit will get through. Thank you!
People are very confused unfortunately. Thank you for watching and sharing.
Pastor Marko, please do a presentation for us on Daniel 12:11. From my 29 years in the church, I have never heard a study/preaching on this verse.
Thank you for the suggesting. I will take it into consideration. Lots of things to cover and I have so little time. Blessings.
True message from the messenger
Powerful message, and so easy to understand
This was very clear and helpful to me! Thank you brother 🙏
Great study!🙏🏾
Thank you! May it be a blessing to many.
John 8:32. To the law and the testimony, if they speak not according this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isa. 8:20
Amen !!! Thank you Pastor ❤
For those who are Thinking that way. What are we going to do if we live forever?
Psalms 16:11
This verse covers every aspect of this thought
Psalm 16:11 KJV
[11] Thou wilt shew me the path of life: In thy presence is fulness of joy; At thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.
Christ gave his followers a positive promise that after his ascension he would send them his Spirit. “Go ye therefore,” he said, “and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father [a personal God], and of the Son [a personal Prince and Saviour], and of the Holy Ghost [sent from heaven to represent Christ]: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you; and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” {RH October 26, 1897, par. 9}
Rom 8:9
1 Cor 3:16
Eph 4:30
1 Thes 4:8
John 15:26
Tit 3:5
Never mind what Ellen wrote on the subject.
Is my spirit Man?
(Ezk46:3) likewise, the people of this land should worship the Lord at the door of the gate in the Sabbaths and in the new moons
EZK46:3)Likewise, the people of the land shall worship the Lord at the door of this gate in the Sabbaths and in the new moons
Hello Marko!
I dont believe there to be as much confusion amongst the members as is being portrayed by all the sermons directed towards the laity.
The confusion has come by the wording in the 28 FB specifically that of #2. The description of God put forward cannot be backed either by the bible or the writings of sister White. Until this is changed the confusion will continue.
I believe that more conversations and sermons should be directed by these pastors towards leadership in leading positions on this matter than towards the people.
Please read the book called "One God One Church" by John Whitcomb. It makes clear where lays most of the responsability for this being a point of contention amongst us.
Blessings from an old acquaintance.
My messages are for both laity and leadership, and I agree that there is a large responsibility on the part of the leadership to address this properly. However, I would say that if it was not such an issue among the laity there would not be so many positive responses to anti-Godhead positions on those ministry's sermons. I agree that there needs to be a proper statement in the 28 FB, but that probably not going to happen. However, despite wrong statements, the laity need corrective messages and this why I am speaking on the issue. Thanks for watching!. Blessings.
If it is the #2 statement that has caused the issue at hand it seems rather unfortunate to not correct it at the same place that it started.
This will never go away but in fact increase....if both laity and ministers are having FB#2 being used as a test of faith instead of the bible then we either need to protest more or concede that we are no longer protestants.
Its interesting that I as a member can no longer live by the statements on my baptismal vow statement and be a member in good standing. Why is this? Its because I was baptised before 1980.
Pls read the book I suggested.
Blessings Marco!
I was starting to see this about the same time you were doing your practicum teaching in the Bentley church. I took me about 5 years to really recognize how unbiblical #2 statement really is and how broad its affect on so much of our understandings of the word of God has been its effect.
I know that the (anti- trin) teaching( which is only a pendulum swing) is the direct result of the #2 statement.
I think if our leaders would have been more anti FB #2 statement when voting in 1980 we would not now be in the situation we now find ourselves.
I dont like the ANTI terms applied to people of any kind but I pray you understand my point.
@@byronhirschkorn6066 Oh Bently! That brings back memories. I really enjoyed working with the Bently church. Was one of my favorite places to minister. I'm guessing much has changed since the time I was there. Yes I get what you mean. And I appreciate your comments. Will look up that book! Blessings.
@@byronhirschkorn6066 don’t feel bad about using “anti-“ I claim it proudly, but that’s just my choice 😊 I am antitrinitarian.
Worshipping Jesus is adultery? That's insanity! I can't believe someone told Marco this. These people are so lost.
Because I keep the Sabbath and don't do any work on the Sabbath, my neighbor mocked me because I go to church and obey the 10 commandments. She told me she's sick of my religion. Wow! I'm sorry for her
... I was wrong~
Amen 🕊
And the LORD said, *My Spirit shall not always strive with man* for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
{Genesis 6:3}
They angered him also at the waters of strife, so that it went ill with Moses for their sakes:
*Because they provoked his Spirit* so that he spake unadvisedly with his lips.
{Psalm 106:33}
In all their affliction he was afflicted, and *the angel of his presence* saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.
But they rebelled, *and vexed his holy Spirit* therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
{Isaiah 63:9-10} (Ps 78:40-41)
*The Spirit of God hath made me* and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
{Job 33:4}
Cast me [David] not away *from thy presence* and take not *thy holy Spirit* from me.
{Psalm 51:11}
(The holy Spirit is omnipresent)
Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
{Psalm 139:7-10}
Then was *Jesus led up of the Spirit* into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
{Matthew 4:1}
“And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: *but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him* neither in this world, neither in the world to come.”
{Matthew 12:32} (Mark 3:28-29)
“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you *another* [of the same kind] Comforter that he may abide with you for ever;
Even *the Spirit of truth* whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; *for he dwelleth with you* and shall be in you.”
{John 14:16-17}
"But the Comforter, which is *the Holy Ghost* whom the Father will send in my name, *he shall teach you* all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever *I have said* unto you.”
{John 14:26}
“But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, *he shall testify* of me:”
{John 15:26-27}
“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, *the Comforter* will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
And when *he* is come, *he* will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:”
{John 16:7-8}
(This is why grieving the holy Spirit cannot be forgiven if we do not allow him to convict us of our unrighteousness.)
(The holy Spirit is omniscient)
“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, *he will guide you into all truth* for *he shall not speak of himself* but whatsoever *he shall hear* that *shall he speak* and *he will shew you* things to come.”
{John 16:13}
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, *as the Spirit gave them utterance*
{Acts 2:4} (read verses 1-3 also for context)
(The holy Spirit is omnipotent)
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath satan filled thine heart *to lie to the Holy Ghost* and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? *thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God*
And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
{Acts 5:3-5}
[Steven] Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, *ye do always resist the Holy Ghost* as your fathers did, so do ye.
{Acts 7:51}
Then *the Spirit said unto Philip* Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
{Acts 8:29}
While Peter thought on the vision, *the Spirit said unto him* Behold, three men seek thee.
Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: *for I have sent them*
{Acts 10:19-20}
As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, *the Holy Ghost said* Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
{Acts 13:2}
For *it seemed good to the Holy Ghost* and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
{Acts 15:28}
Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, *and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia*
After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: *but the Spirit suffered them not*
{Acts 16:7-8}
*The Spirit itself* beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
{Romans 8:16}
Likewise *the Spirit* also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but *the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us* with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints *according to the will of God*
{Romans 8:26-27}
Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, *and for the love of the Spirit* that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;
{Romans 15:30}
And *grieve not the holy Spirit of God whereby ye are sealed* unto the day of redemption.
{Ephesians 4:30}
But God hath revealed them unto us *by his Spirit* for *the Spirit searcheth all things* yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, *but the Spirit of God*
{1 Corinthians 2:10-11}
But all these worketh that *one and the selfsame Spirit* dividing to every man severally *as he will*
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
For *by one Spirit* are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into *one Spirit*
{1 Corinthians 12:11-13}
Now *the Spirit speaketh expressly* that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
{1 Timothy 4:1}
Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
{Hebrews 3:7-9}
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through *the eternal Spirit* offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
{Hebrews 9:14}
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
{Hebrews 10:29}
“He that hath an ear, let him hear what *the Spirit* saith unto the churches.”
{Revelation 2:7; 2:11; 2:17; 2:29; 3:6; 3:13; 3:22}
And *the Spirit* and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
{Revelation 22:17}
😲 Wow
Thank you for your study scriptures. Lots of work finding them.
Pastor, who is worshiped in heaven, as we see in revelation? The Father and His Son.
This is the date:
12-13-2025.
These are the numbers in the Strong's Concordance:
1213.
No one knows that day or time that Jesus will return. Only the Father knows.
This event is tied into the Sunday Law, not to the second coming.
@@williamborden9868 Interesting premise.
Do you have more to add besides a concordance # ?
The Holy Scriptures.
The Book of Joel Chapter 2.
The Book of Acts
Chapter 2.
The Spirit of Prophecy.
The Great Controversy.
Strong's Concordance
déloó: to make plain, declare
Original Word: δηλόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: déloó
Phonetic Spelling: (day-lo'-o)
Definition: to make plain, declare
Usage: I show, make clear, reveal.
The Book of Habakkuk Chapter 2.
Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins *but God* only?
{Mark 2:7}
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, *God with us*
{Matthew 1:23}
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: *God* was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
{1 Timothy 3:16}
“I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.”
{John 10:11}
...
“I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.”
{John 10:14}
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want...
{Psalm 23:1a}
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no Saviour.
{Isaiah 43:11}
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
{John 20:28}
Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
{Isaiah 48:12}
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; "I am the first and the last:
I am he that liveth, *and was dead* and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
{Revelation 1:17-18}
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
{Philippians 2:5-6}
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
{John 1:10}
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
{Colossians 1:16-19}
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, *from everlasting*
{Micah 5:2}
Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts;👉 I am the first, and I am the last👈=(Jesus)👉; and beside me there is no God.=(Jesus)
Isaiah 48:11-16
11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.
12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.👈Jesus
13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.
16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God👈(the Father), and his Spirit👈(Holy Spirit), hath sent me.
Revelation 1:17
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:👈Jesus
Revelation 4:8
8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come👈 = Jesus
Revelation 4:11
King James Version
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.👈=Jesus
Revelation 4:11
Wycliffe Bible
11 Thou, Lord our God, art worthy to take glory, and honour, and virtue; for thou madest of nought all things, and for thy will those were [and for thy will they were], and be made of nought👈= Jesus
ON THE THRONE THERE IS ONLY THE FATHER AND HIS SON, JESUS , NO THREE PERSONS SIMPLE AS THAT
MAYBE BECOMES IN THREE PERSONS BECAUSE THE SPIRIT IS A PART OF GOD YU CAN NOT DIVISE HIM LIKE I HAVE A BODY, A SOUL AND SPIRIT IT STILL ME ONE PERSON
The 28 Fundamental Principles of the SDA Church was already established during the first fifty years of Adventism. . .any new light should not contradict the old but only strengthen. .. However, the SDA Version of the Trinity contradicts the SDA FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES OF 1872-1889 as stated in the record. .Mrs Wite is very clear who was the Third Person is or the Holy Spirit is, "They have one God and one Saviour, and one Spirit - the Spirit of Christ.” (9T 189) “The Holy Spirit is Himself” (Jesus). This statement is absolutely unanswerable and has converted many to the truth." {14MR 23.3}“The Holy Spirit, which proceeds from the only begotten Son of God” {RH April 5, 1906}
Instead of quoting "The Holy Spirit is Himself” and saying it refers to Jesus let us see what EGW said in context.
"Although our Lord ascended from earth to heaven, the Holy Spirit was appointed as His representative among men. "If ye love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you forever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless" [John 14:15-18]. {14MR 23.2}
Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS HIMSELF DIVESTED OF THE PERSONALITY OF HUMANITY AND INDEPENDENT THEREOF. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall (although unseen by you), [THIS PHRASE WAS ADDED BY ELLEN WHITE.] teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you" [John 14:26]. "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will come not unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you" [John 16:7]. {14MR 23.3} "
So the meaning you put to that quote is not correct.
What EGW here is contrasting Jesus who IS invested with the personality (personality here being the human personhood that cannot be in more than one place at a time) of humanity is contrast to the Holy Spirit who is not so limited so that HE can be the presence of Christ "in all places"
EGW clearly makes a difference between the Person of Christ who ASCENDED, and the Person of the Holy Spirit who DESCENDED
The Holy Spirit is the "Another" Comforter. Therefore EGW clearly referred to the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit as a 'trio' not a 'duo'.
"There are THREE living persons of the heavenly TRIO; in the name of these THREE great powers --the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit--those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ."-- Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pp. 62, 63. (1905) {Ev 615.1}
"The THREE powers of the Godhead, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, are pledged to be their strength and their efficiency in their new life in Christ Jesus." {AUCR, October 7, 1907 par. 9}
"The THREE powers of the Godhead have pledged their might to carry out the purpose that God had in mind when he gave to the world the unspeakable gift of his Son. " RH July 18 1907
"In the great closing work we shall meet with perplexities that we know not how to deal with; but let us not forget that the THREE GREAT POWERS of heaven are working, that a divine hand is on the wheel, and that God will bring His promises to pass. He will gather from the world a people who will serve Him in righteousness." 624 {Counsels for the Church 356.5}
You don't get a SDA trinity or a catholic trinity.Trinity is pagan.
You get the Father (I am)and His begotten Son and the Father's spirit that is in His Son, angels and all created beings.
Please listen to Nader Mansour.
I listen to the Bible and the SOP. Mansour is just sour on the truth and there is no need to listen to him.
@@profitfromprophets2411The trinity sir. Is not biblical. If you would look up the meaning of the word " OF " and the word " Spirit" and " Person" you will have to conclude their is no third person in the bible.
@@SamuelW-ih2ez "19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God. I have no problem with the Bible.
@@profitfromprophets2411 As a Bible believing christian, we were though not to build our faith on one text of scripture . Jesus said in the mouth of two or three the thing is confirm. That is the only scripture in the bible. The disciples all baptize in Jesus name. Samuel Wilson utub, which ship are you in.
@@SamuelW-ih2ez It is the scripture that most clearly defines the exact point and the one that you are exactly ignoring. So continue to ignore it, but wise and faithful Christians take it for what it means: Since the Father is God, and the Son is God, then the Holy Spirit mentioned here must also be God. Period.
Brother Marko, I came across your channel on Sabbath September 21, 2024, and have been blessed by your sermons and ministry. I believe God's Spirit is leading you. However, I noticed a marked change in this presentation. Your tone sounds similar to those you called hypocrites. To the GC leaders the last four years and everything that happened is a side issue, but not to you and many of us. To you who God is is a side issue, but not to many of us. Should you be placed in the same group with Mark, Ted, etc? No! Many brethren have many Bible texts that they understand not to support the trinity doctrine. Are you willing to talk with and listen to them, as with the issue of religious liberty? As an Adventist, a part from the many Bible texts, which we can talk about, how would you explain Patriarchs and Prophets character one, the Story of Redemption chapters 1-3, and the Desire of Ages last chapter? This topic is also a matter of liberty of conscience. Let us talk about it as brethren in a Christ like spirit.
Brother, I am entirely settled on the Godhead. The Catholic trinity is not what I teach, because it is not found in the Bible or the Spirit of prophecy. The Bible is clear, we are baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. So, that means that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are God. I have several videos on the subject where I clearly outline my views which are entirely in line with the Bible and the SOP. If you think that makes me a hypocrite, I leave that up to you.
The issue of br Vine is not a side issue. It is a core issue that is facing our people. If we are not clear here we will not face the mark of the beast crisis in the right way and many will be lost.
@@profitfromprophets2411 There are many biblical and EGW truths you state regarding the Holy Spirit, but then you bring in many side issues that dilute your message.
Brethren, our established beliefs as Seventh-Adventist, should not be known as trinitarian or trinity, but instead Tritheism. Divinity is composed of three equally powerful entities, as generally conceived. Three Gods (in the Godhead), singular in meaning. While, the trinity doctrine, where god is one being eternally existing in three person's, or one god three person's 3 or 1. John 8:32.
Hello Gina. I've deleted your other comments because they were a repetition of this comment. I do not allow spammed comments on my channel. I don't think using the term tritheism is useful either. We believe in the Godhead. We should leave it at that. That is the term in Scripture and the one Ellen White uses.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, not god the spirit, that's another god. The Holy Spirit is the person of God.
Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts;👉 I am the first, and I am the last👈=(Jesus)👉; and beside me there is no God.=(Jesus)
Isaiah 48:11-16
11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.
12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.👈Jesus
13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.
16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God👈(the Father), and his Spirit👈(Holy Spirit), hath sent me.
Revelation 1:17
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:👈Jesus
Revelation 4:8
8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come👈 = Jesus
Revelation 4:11
King James Version
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.👈=Jesus
Revelation 4:11
Wycliffe Bible
11 Thou, Lord our God, art worthy to take glory, and honour, and virtue; for thou madest of nought all things, and for thy will those were [and for thy will they were], and be made of nought👈= Jesus
1 John 5:7 - this Bible text was added.
SDA Bible commentary advised not to use this text to support trinity doctrine.
Please read SDA Bible commentary before presenting to members and cause confusion!
There is no confusion. The SDA Bible commentary is not inspired. It has much good. But in this case it is severely lacking any basis for its position. The truth is that it is in the Textus Receptus, it speaks to the truth in general of scripture, and EGW nearly says the very same thing though does not quote it directly. So upon these things I find the text to be as it stands in the text of scripture that is the basis of the Reformation.
Then if it's not there, why sis White use that text over and over?
I are not a Christian but to my understanding, we cannot say God is one and yet three person.we have to say "these three" . There is a circulation within the one God, father son and the holyghost, these three cannot be without one another. Creation could not be by the Father alone, Son and the holyghost had to join in.
david, God is one.
God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Marko, i first came across your website on Dr Gaoune Diop on rejection of the 3AM. Then i watch your presentation on Ps Mark Finely regarding Br Vine. I hold up you for appropriately on criticism towards apostasy in the GC about the leaders including the president Ted Wilson. I believed and followed you.
But on this presentation i on the Trinity i lost my trust in you. You seem to be aligned with the contemporary GC leaders in upholding the Trinity doctrine introduced into the Fundamental Belief in 1980.
In the formative years of SDA church, the pioneers rejected the trinity that was introduced in 325AD. Sabbath changed into Sunday worship in 321AD. They were Non- Trinitarian.
You were cherry 🍒 picking or selecting incomplete quotations. You never used any of the most trustworthy pioneer and prophetess in EGW. There are surplus quotations on the Holy Spirit been the Spirit of God. john 4.24. Holy Spirit does not have flesh and bone. Luke 24:39.
In this case in Gen1:2 how can the Spirit of God hover on the waters in when Holy Spirit is believed to be a person as per the Trinity doctrine. O' help me please😂. Dont you believe these words in omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient??? It us the omnipresent Spirit of God which is known as Holy Spirit because God is Holy. Holy Spirit has the personality of God.
Please Markso research on EGW writings and quotations on the Holy Spirit. The bible is PLAIN and synchronised with the SOP on the Holy Spirit. Isaiah 28:10,13.
Don't aligned with the GC leaders in using human philosophy to define Elohim into plurality and singular. There is no plain scriptures to support that thinking.😴. I would rather say its Satan planting that thoughts into the mind.
Satan is getting the worship in the Trinity doctrine as the person.
By the way Godhead does not mean trinity but divinity, please compare with other bible translations.The word “Godhead” is found 3 times in the KJV Bible (Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; Colossians 2:9)
"You never used any of the most trustworthy pioneer " I did. The Bible, and Ellen White. They are the most trusted pioneers of truth. If they do not satisfy you, then nothing else will. I don't teach the trinity, I teach the Godhead as the Bible does.
@@profitfromprophets2411 Trinitarian use Godhead to mean TRINITY....but the bible in three text (Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; Colossians 2:9) in another translation means divine
“The terms “Holy Ghost”, are a harsh and repulsive translation. It should be “Holy Spirit” (hagion pneuma) in every instance. This Spirit is the Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ; the Spirit being the same whether it is spoken of as pertaining to God or Christ. But respecting this Spirit, the Bible uses expressions which cannot be harmonized with the idea that it is a person like the Father and the Son. Rather it is shown to be a divine influence from them both, the medium which represents their presence and by which they have knowledge and power through all the universe, when not personally present.” - (Uriah Smith, RH, Oct 28, 1890)
“The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency,” - (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3)
@@sharkeyterim1197 If you watched the videos I did you would see the difference between Trinity and Godhead. That is why I use the term Godhead for the words Trinity are somewhat theologically charged. Yet the irony is that non trinitarians end up teaching a modified version of the Catholic trinity. They put down Jesus, they make him a created being, they claim to worship Jesus is a kind of idolatry, they claim Jesus is two people JESUS and THE HOLY SPIRIT (which is type of Catholic Trinitarianism). The Bible is plain, we are baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. That all those appear in the same text tells me all I need to know, and it tells you too. But you won't submit to the text.
@@sharkeyterim1197 Holy Ghost is found on the EGW CD rom used by EGW 1457 times. She quoted the texts as they are. Stop being the language police for everyone.
Its okay to be wrong but its not okay to be stubborn. It could be you who is being stubborn but thinking you are right and telling others not to be stubborn.
If you can never explain it then step down and dont DICTATE to others who may understand differently.
If you really want to know many you tube channels express what the pioneer adventists understood.
If the 3 great powers meant what you are saying then EGW would have confessed differently, but she NEVER DID.
EGW is THE pioneer. She said the Holy Spirit is a person. Full stop. The stubbornness and the wrongness is clearly on the side that will not acknowledge her plain words.
Laurel, who makes up the "heavenly trio"?
In the dictionary that sister White had in her library here is the definition for (person)
1. The part in life which one plays.
2. A humon being represented in fiction or on stage; a character.
3. External appearance; bodily form or appearance.
4. Humon frame; body; as, cleanly in person.
5. A human being; a being possessed of personality; a man, woman, child; a human creature.
6. A human being, as distinguished from an animal, or a inanimate object.
7. An individual; one; a man.
8. A term applied to each of the three beings of the Godhead.
9. The parson or rector of a parish.
Of (Personality)
Ordinary language;
1. The quality or state of being personal; direct application or applicability to a person; specific., application or applicability of remarks to the person, conduct, manners, or habits of some individual.
2. A remark reflecting on the person, conduct, manners, or habits of an individual; personal remarks.
3. That which constitutes individuality; that which constitutes an individual a distinct person; existence as a thinking being.
Natural Theology, ch. xxiii.
4. Application limited to certain persons, or classes of persons.
5. Personal qualities, or characteristics
6. A personage, a person.
7. Person, body.
“There is one question which has been much controverted in the theological world upon which we have never presumed to enter. It is that of the personality of the Spirit of God. Prevailing ideas of person are very diverse, often crude, and the word is differently understood; so that unity of opinion on this point cannot be expected until all shall be able to define precisely what they mean by the word, or until all shall agree upon one particular sense in which the word shall be used. But as this agreement does not exist, it seems that a discussion of the subject cannot be profitable, especially as it is not a question of direct revelation. We have a right to be positive in our faith and our statements only when the words of Scripture are so direct as to bring the subject within the range of positive proof.
“We are not only willing but anxious to leave it just where the word of God leaves it. From it we learn that the Spirit of God is that awful and mysterious power which proceeds from the throne of the universe, and which is the efficient actor in the work of creation and of redemption.” (The Spirit of God; Its Offices and Manifestations, pp. 8, 9. 1877)
Willie White writing a letter in response to a question asked him of what he understood of his mother's teaching on the personality of the holy spirit; “ I learned from the dictionary that one of the meanings of personality, was Characteristics. It is stated in such a way that I concluded that there might be personality without bodily form which is possessed by the Father and the Son.” (Letter to H. W. Carr, dated 30‐4‐1935)
Your right, sister White did say person, full stop. That being said; it's the entirety of her published works that is to determine which definition she was attaching to the words person and personality, and not how we tend to use those words.
@@byronhirschkorn6066 byron, Who is in the heavenly trio?
You are wrong. If you aren’t careful, before long you will leave the church to join other disgruntled splinter groups like the Shepherd’s Rod and others and turn against your former church and former brethren declaring us to be lost and in error and the church itself Babylon…..you are on a slippery slope. Think about all those disgruntled former SDAS that joined David Koresh and look what happened to them. Walk in the light while ye have the light lest darkness fall upon you.
I don't get it! YOUR teaching is NOT what the Pioneers taught back in EGW day, it is this teaching you are teaching that is bring in the confusion! the Holy Spirit IS CHRIST! not someone else! this is what EGW and the others taught! sorry buddy you are STILL a Catholic and are teaching Catholic doctrine! constantly denying it's the same thing as the Catholic teach, does not make it so!
You don't know the truth because you are like the Catholics, looking to 'the fathers'. Here is the premiere pioneer EGW clearly telling you you are wrong.
You don't know what you are worshiping. The sad thing is you are actually the trinitarian.
Trinitarian creed “And yet there are not three eternal beings, but one who is eternal; as there are not three uncreated and unlimited beings, but one who is uncreated and unlimited. Almighty is the Father; almighty is the Son; almighty is the Spirit: And yet there are not three almighty beings, but one who is almighty.”
EGW “There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.”-Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pp. 62, 63. (1905). { Ev 615.1}
As a little child you will be saved if you submit to what EGW said in opposition to the trinity doctrine. The three great powers of heaven are The Father, The Son, AND The Holy Spirit. Deal with it.