I was so happy they didn’t make him an anti-hero. The Penguin has always been an unrepentant, greedy, sociopath. They nailed it with this series. Can’t wait to see Battinson beat his face in.
This is what I wanted the Joker to be. A true villain story. Also what a hypocrite Penguin was for being a snitch for the Maronis and the city government yet he hated Don Falcone for being a rat. I guess he wanted what Carmine had, absolute control over Gotham.
Killing Vic made no sense though. He could've put him on the bus to LA and gotten the same result. What they should have done was have Vic make a friendly joke and have Penguin kill him in rage, echoing the first episode.
@@damian_cross That's the whole point, there was no real reason why he had to kill Vic, he just did it because it was the most beneficial and easiest way to go about it for Penguin. The show is telling us that Penguin doesn't care about anyone but himself. He only cares about what they can do for him, even if they're loyal to him. You see it when Sofia bombs the tunnels, when Penguin finds the bomb, he doesn't warn anyone, he just runs(even though it would have cost him zero time or effort to do so). It's to drive in the fact that all he's ever thinking about is his own well being. Yeah he could send him to LA, but to him, he's just someone else that can be exploited like his mom and is just a loose end, so the easiest thing to do is just kill him
In all honesty, I kind of knew he became this way because of his influences. But as a wise himbo once said: "Yeah, you think he would have turned out better."
By killing Vic, he was protecting his future, as he said it himself, Vic was his weakness, he did care for Vic in his own way but that was a genuine love that he could not allows to exist. That scene really sold me the character.
I would say that I can’t see how Batman is gonna defeat the Penguin. By killing Vic, Penguin is now completely unbeatable because he has no weakness. And it’s a general knowledge that Batman’s no kill rule is the villains’ greatest plot armor. He will just put Penguin in Arkham, which he will eventually escape and kill a lot of people again, which means technically, Penguin keeps getting away with his crimes. It seems impossible for Batman to defeat irredeemably evil villains like him and the Joker.
@@nont18411 Remember, this Batman is not an "action" hero, he is more of a detective and this Penguin is a great opponent for this cerebral type of batman. He is cunning, quick thinking and very adaptable and no apparent weakness, it will take more than muscle to put him behind bars.
But he cares about his mother’s life though doesn’t he? His mother validates and solidifies his ambitions so wouldn’t that be his weakness? It sounds kinda contradictory to be honest
@@Sunnnys_abyss He doesn't need his mother's validation, he has Eve dressing up as his Mom and giving him validation now. Francis asked Oz to promise her that if she was ever unable to care for herself he would put her down. He actually might have but after she went off on how she never loved him and now having her locked up in a penthouse that she always wanted and unable to care for herself, she's in hell. Those weren't tears of joy at the end. Just like Sofia. Death is the easy way out, this is punishment.
Another indicator of The Penguin's sadism is what he ends up doing to Sofia. Killing her would have been the smarter play in that it would have removed her as a threat completely. But giving her up to the authorities, knowing she would go back to being tortured at Arkham, was more satisfying to him.
i just hope they dont do something stupid by making her kill hin in the end the penguin is a cockroach so the only one killing him is someone FAR worse perhaps black mask or professor pyg if those 2 are ever added maybe even the court of owls
@@username.exenotfound2943 I've always liked the idea of Joker outsmarting Penguin by playing on his self-preservation and turning it against him so that as Oswald thinks he's about to get away he finds himself trapped and dies a miserable and pathetic end.
I thought it was a rare moment of good in letting his enemy live. Like deep deep down part of him knew it wouldn't feel any better to kill her for what she's done and that he's no better than her, maybe it's some kind of mobster respect for my enemies kind of thing. But I think maybe that just came from wanting to believe in that little bit of him that's underneath all the rest
I read it as pure self-interest. Instead of just icing her, by giving her to the authorities he makes sure no fingers are pointed at him for any of the events of the series by giving the public a satisfying fall-guy, and he makes councilman Hady simultaneously more influential and more indebted to him.
@@devontejefferson6520 Colin Farrell is so talented, and yeah sure he has 15 pounds of make up on, but that face was him actually understanding how the makeup works and he created his own face through the make up. He is an absolute performative genius.
To me it shows his cowardice where he's so unwilling to face the guilt and shame he repressed for so long he's ready to let the only thing he cares about suffer to avoid it
I interpreted that as part of him actually believes his own lies so deep that he’s incapable of admitting that he could possibly be in the wrong at all
23:20 - I don't think that's why Francis is crying. In a prior episode, she makes Oz promise that he will kill her if she ever becomes a "vegetable." She is now in the state that she never wanted to be in, trapped with the devil himself (her own son). The Penguin doesn't give his mother what she wants. He doesn't genuinely care about her. He follows only what he believes will serve her in a manner that appeases his ego. He is a narcissist who only cares about having her love. He's never satisfied, always craving more, doing whatever it takes to get her approval and adoration. He might even wish that she showed him romantic affection (as we see with Eve fulfilling Oz's fantasies). His Oedipus complex is a bottomless hole. He would rather subjugate his mother to the suffering she feared most (living life in a vegetated state) before admitting that he is wholly selfish. The Penguin is now cemented as a ruthless force driven by the delusion that he is the perfect son and fairest crime lord.
Something really interesting about this incarnation of The Penguin is that, unlike every single one before whom embraced the nickname, Oz does everything in his power as to NOT be referred to as "The Penguin" and the only people that use the nickname are those in a position of power over Oz and is always used as an insult.
That's because he's nicknamed after a harmless cute bird, which is a bad gangster nickname, because it's peaceful. Most gangsters have scary nicknames, such as "Machinegun" Kelley, Sammy "The Bull", etc.
Great parallels to the real world Al Capone too. Fun Fact: *"Scarface",* the mob boss' infamous nickname was actually an insult that he famously despises.
@@darlalathan6143no it’s bc it’s poking fun at his leg which is weakness, he waddles like a penguin, that’s literally the whole point of the name hence why every iteration has a cane or a bad leg of some sort
What makes Oz so evil is how he's able to convince everyone and himself that he's telling the truth. In a way Oz is never lying because in his mind the truth changes whenever its convenient
23:20 - I don't think that's why Francis is crying. In a prior episode, she makes Oz promise that he will kill her if she ever becomes a "vegetable." She is now in the state that she never wanted to be in, trapped with the devil himself (her own son). The Penguin doesn't give his mother what she wants. He doesn't genuinely care about her. He follows only what he believes will serve her in a manner that appeases his ego. He is a narcissist who only cares about having her love. He's never satisfied, always craving more, doing whatever it takes to get her approval and adoration. He might even wish that she showed him romantic affection (as we see with Eve fulfilling Oz's fantasies). His Oedipus complex is a bottomless hole. He would rather subjugate his mother to the suffering she feared most (living life in a vegetated state) before admitting that he is wholly selfish. The Penguin is now cemented as a ruthless force driven by the delusion that he is the perfect son and fairest crime lord.
@@hailkingrex 100%. Realest depiction of sociopathic narcissism. He's stuck in a dream world which is actually the nightmare he created for everyone else.
Vic's death scene really got me. I'm not going to lie, I've always been a fan of Batman comics and I already knew Penguin's profile, the moment I understood Vic's role, I was already sure that he would die, and that it would probably be by Penguin himself, whether directly or indirectly. And when Vic said that “they were family” I understood that it was his time, but I was still shocked, because I was watching Oz waiting for him to pull out a gun and shoot or a knife and stab him. But no. He strangled him with his bare hands while still talking to Vic. And he was smiling. The guy was strangling someone who a few hours ago helped him become Gotham's crime boss and had just called him family and was smiling. It is a consensus that in a strangulation scene the strangler has a strong hatred for the person being strangled. Just think of Hans Landa strangling the woman who tried to deceive him, or on Joker, when Arthur suffocates his mother after discovering the truth. The fact that Oz strangled Vic for nothing shows how cruel Oswald is, he wouldn't mind killing a close colleague with his bare hands if he felt it necessary. And the final touch was him throwing away his identity. Previously he had said that the two would never be forgotten once they established themselves in the world of crime, whoever found Vic's body would never know who he was, he died like a nobody
Oswald is really the great improviser. Especially in the early episodes, he managed to turn every set back into a backup plan. Certain death becomes less and less certain as Oz maneuvers around hopeless situation after hopeless situation. It makes me think of a line from another Batman adaptation, Fox's Gotham, "much more cockroach than Penguin."
This quote from Penguin in Gotham fits well with Vic's "talk." "Your greatest passion becomes your greatest weakness." The show takes a lot of inspiration from Fox's Gotham. Like Penguin starting as a low ranking member of the Falcone Crime Family. Starting the Falcone-Maroni Mob War as apart of his uprising. Having a rivalry/companionship with Sofia Falcone.
This is what you love to see when it comes to intelligence in media. It shouldn't be about predicting everything, it should be about quickly turning unforeseen setbacks into advantages
I like how Oswald was written the same way as real life criminal kingpins. He worked as a lackey driving around his boss’s daughter, and eventually made his way to the top by backstabbing and killing anyone who got in his way, like a modern-day El Chapo in DC form
Chapo got 50 cent chain. when 50 got robbed in Chicago in a concert. chapo from mexico : NO more work until 50 gets his chain back" 1 hour later 50 cent got everything.
@kainlives7958 Thought he was going to end her in the last scene for giving up his location to Sophia but then I remembered they didn’t right him as a cunning genius. Just a good manipulator barely getting by
I thought Farrell was solid and the show had potential but all in all it was not very good. I thought the show started out interesting but went into the realm of ridiculous due to poor writing. I know most will probably bite my head off in disagreement but IMO people are too accepting of comic book adaptations and not critical enough of the acting and writing. The writing was poor. That’s it. I can give plenty of examples but my post would be five paragraphs long.
Honestly Colin Farrell’s acting and the excellent writing made his version of Penguin stand up there with Heath Ledgers Joker when it comes to perfect Comic villain portrayals
This is why my favorite graphic novel is actually Penguin: Pain and Prejudice. It tells about his childhood and the abuse that turned him into the monster you see today. Seeing his pain leaves you feeling a twinge of sympathy for him, but then reminds you how much of a monster he is as both a child and an adult. Anyone who enjoyed this series should read it.
The fact that the Penguin doesn't just kill Vic, but trashes his identifier - his license - to me shows even more so the depth of his evil. Vic probably saw himself being able to become something too. His name to be known. But now, not only is he dead, his identity, his legacy, will never be known. Vic's dream - which mirrored the Penguin's - was cut short and taken by the Penguin as he achieved his.
at the end of the day, Vic and Oz are just as guilty for the crimes they did (like Victor killing Squid out of paranoia and Oz being responsible for killing Victors childhood friend, Calvin)
Never thought I’d be rooting for Sal Maroni of all people to give Penguin a beat down, but after what Oz did to him and after what it had just been revealed Oz did to his own brothers… damn. I think the most vile thing about Penguin is that he’s fully capable of forming genuine bonds. His friendship with Vic wasn’t an act; the main reason he killed him was because he recognized that bond. And there may even be a little part of him that regrets leaving his brothers to die. That could be one of the reasons why he’s desperate for his mother’s approval and for the people of Gotham to love him. But Penguin always comes first to Penguin, no exceptions.
Tony Soprano's in a similar boat. There are moments, in isolation, where he seems like a really cool guy, almost aspirational. And then you get a hard dose of reality reminding you of how petty and monstrous he is.
The Penguin and the Joker are superb examples of how a supervillain can be given a very successfully starring role in their own story. Thank you for your Analyzing Evil episode for the Penguin. 👍🏻
My fav part of this series was how it took a nod from The Wire in the sense that if you're not paying attention the series won't necessarily spoonfeed you. Os is likeable but everything he did in the series made him worthy of people's contempt. He literally would not lift a finger or help anyone without it being beneficial to him.
The second the last episode finished I got so hyped not just for the Batman 2 but the Analyzing Evil Review on this OZ and you masterfully delivered as always. Outstanding work on this. Also the show made me revisit the comics and how Oz took out his siblings there & at least live action Oz didnt go that effed up route haha but damn his delusions made for some immaculate tv.
@@JaxBlade “masterfully delivered” and yet he cant even get right that it was Vic who orchestrated the betrayal of the mob bosses and not Oz, superb stuff.
Oz was just a masterfully written villain in this show. At first we see him backstab every crime boss to gain any edge he can, but when we meet Vic and his mother, we believe they're the only people he'd never betrayed and are the reason why he's fighting so hard to claim Gotham as his own, to give them better lives. But at the end of the show, when Oz achieves everything he wanted, he kills Vic and forces his mother to live in her vegetative state, despite his promise to end her suffering. The second he turned his back on his own family for his selfish desires, was when he betrayed us, the audience, as well.
His ability to lie even when all parties know the truth and he knows they know the truth is absolutely peak villain status, I’d say this penguin lies harder than Tony soparano himself, what makes him worse is that he simply doesn’t have that inner demon eating away at him, this is a man without any form of empathy or a conscience
The true story of At Close Range is so intriguing. There was a book written on the case and the author was asked to speak at a church. When asked why he was told "TO PROVE EVIL DOES EXIST!"
While some people dislike The Penguin and spite it for not being comic accurate or returning to the dark edgy roots or it being too realistic. I feel this is my favorite Penguin of all media. Is he an underdog to root for? No. Is he sympathetic. Nah. I never got into the penguin because beyond his gentleman persona he never really impressed me. But this show captures what I wished Penguin. A dangerous mobster yet pathetic morally bankrupt man. Pathetic till the very end indeed especially his fate in The Batman movie.
Lol what? The show is PRETTY comic accurate in it’s own way of it’s adaption! The Penguin is PHENOMENAL and massively critically acclaimed and prasied. I’ve seen absolutely NO ONE “dislike it” at all and the dark edgy roots ARE what makes Batman’s lore and characters perfectly compelling and handled! This show is absolutely fantastic with constant praise nonstop. I’ve not see ANYONE “dislike it” in the way how you say as The Batman universe by Matt Reeves and The Penguin included feels like I’m watching a live action version of Batman The Animated series! It’s pitch perfect Batman portrayal and most of everyone is saying this! NO ONE saying what you’re saying at all as most of EVERYONE is saying this is their favorite Penguin in all media! You’re not in the minority at all, MOST OF EVERYONE is saying. Lol what are you on about? NO ONE is saying what you’re saying as the show is VERY comic accurate, and dark in the best way that fits Batman and perfectly realistic in the best way! The Batman is a MASTERPIECE of a movie and this show follows suit! There are no “some people” as no one is saying this at all as Batman and his world and characters are SUPPOSED to be super dark and serious inherently and everyone expects that out of his world as the show IS comic accurate in it’s perfect adaption!
@IAmBored347 If you actually bothered to pay attention 2 the original comic book version of Penguin you would know that he can be very dangerous and one of the reasons he is so dangerous is because people underestimate him due to his appearance! I do not care for "realistic" Batman. Realism is bloody boring and limits creativity l.
@@tayojones9460 Lol Realism is ALL about Batman as Batman is supposed to inherently be a grounded superhero with no powers so his world is filled with street level characters. You can have a super powered characters and over the top villains and characters WHILE still keeping the “realism” vibe as there is no “limits creativity” AT ALL when it comes to Matt Reeves’ Batman universe as it’s filled to the brim with creativity and excitement from how thoughtful everything AS WELL as filling like a live action version of Batman the animated series BRILLIANTLY brought to life in the best way possible for Batman and his dark world! “Realistic Batman” works PERFECTLY here in the best way possible and it’s the furthest thing from “bloody boring” possible from its VERY creative usage of Batman and his universe! That should be obvious here as EVERYONE is loving it in the best way possible here!
Another thing to note about about Oz's character throughout the series; when he is reacting in anger or self defense, he kills very quickly (shooting Alberto or his shootout with Maroni's men), but if he's having to take someone out when he has an obvious upper hand, he seems to take his time and opt for some form of slow, painful death. He stabs a man in the chest and lets him slowly bleed out, he sets Taj Maroni and his mother on fire to suffer the horrible death of burning, and of course, he strangles Victor to death slowly and painfully. It seems that part of his narcissism and need to be better than others results in a compulsive need to literally hold peoples' lives in his hands, having the ultimate power a man can have over another; the power over his very life.
I can't defend Oswald. He was just nothing but a ruthless, conniving, manipulative person. Ambessa Mederda from Arcane maybe the antagonist alongside Victor at least they have valid reasons for their actions (Ambessa wants powerful weapons to face off against the Black Rose and Victor wanting to bring peace to the world both end with deaths and destruction). Oswald was just ambitious without a care in the world. Victor an unwilling participate turned most loyal follower was killed for no more than being a potential weakness or seeing Oz at his lowest sends nothing but disgust as not matter how brutal leaders can be loyalty is something that should be valued. Oswald disregarded the person who saved his life, fought for him and had Oz's back when all the chips seemed to be down.
19:38 That wasn't Oz's idea, it was Vic's. This is a reason why Oz felt he had to kill him, because Vic was becoming "ambitious" just like Oz was, and he couldn't risk another underboss turning against him.
I would love to see an Analyzing Evil video for Arcane. I’ve never seen so many people split between if a character is pure evil or pure good as Viktor
the show literally showed that he doesn't. He desperately shouted at Sal's corpse that HE had beaten him, not the heart attack, but he had. He felt robbed that he couldnt prove how much better he was. That's not someone that just goes with it. Yea he recovered and came up with a plan and story but that was after. If you cant see that I dont know what to tell you
Maroni is an old man and probably didn't have a good diet and exercise regime in prison, combined with the amount of stress that comes with being a mafia boss out of prison and the death of his wife and son, is enough to give him a heart attack
@@thedudefromrobloxx I never said that Penguin didn't have an ego who suffers delusions of grandeur. Maroni died of a heart attack and Penguin used that in his favor.
Fantastic analysis. One thing from my own interpretation is that I think the reason he keeps his mother alive at the end is because he also needs someone to bear witness to his success. His mother is the only one who knew where he came from, so he needs her because she knows how hard he fought to "win." He's pathologically driven towards dominance and victory, to the point he screams "I beat you!" to a damn corpse. She (possibly) knows he won, and that's what he really wants. He's probably also doing it to punish her but I think it really comes from insecurity and misplaced pride
Love this series! This iteration of Penguin reminds me very much of another favorite villain of mine, Littlefinger from A Song of Ice & Fire. Its so fun watching him play his adversaries against one another. The difference with Oz though is that he's able to inspire others, particularly common criminals.
He also reminds me of House of the Dragon's Aemond Targaryen who visits brothels paying for a mothers comfort rather than sex while the Penguins is having to pay for a mothers validation.
Here are my choices for Villains that would make great analysis evil videos. 1. Analysis Evil: Macrinus from Gladiator 2. 2. Analysis Evil: The Prophet of Truth from Halo. 3. Analysis Evil: The Qu from All Tomorrows. 4. Analysis Evil: Martin Walker, or John Konrad from Spec Ops: The Line.
For me, the worst part of Vic's murder was tossing his ID into the water. His biggest "sell" to any potential ally was that others didn't know or care who they were, and his final act against Vic was to make him just another anonymous body. Killing Sophia and Francis would have been preferable to where he put them, and he knew exactly what he was doing to them. The closeups of the facial expressions after each successful outcome reveal the true Oz, one major league f'd up person. I loved this series for manipulating me to have sympathy for him initially and then wrecking it completely with those final two episodes. Bravo. Do me one BIGLEY favor: Don't do another season. Let this masterpiece stand on it's own.
I don't think it was to make him unidentifiable. It was to make it look like a random mugging and not gang related. Same reason he took the cash and threw the wallet to the side. Like at best it delays the identification assuming the Gotham police aren't entirely in the stone age
Please do Monika from Doki Doki Literature Club. While most rogue self-aware AI are driven by hatred, nihilism, or their own stone cold programming, Monika is motivated by love, or a twisted notion of how it works
I also think that a possible “moral” of this story is that to survive and thrive in such a vicious world, a society of psychopaths, you must be a psychopath: any residual humanity will make you vulnerable. This is why Sofia and Victor failed to escape: they were too moral or had too much humanity to survive in such a world. And this is also why Oz killed Vic, I think, because he needed to detach himself from any lingering humanity.
Another very important part of the Penguin and his evil is his need to feel as though he got the better of his enemies. This is demonstrated when Sal dies from a heart attack during his fight. You can see in his mannerisms and attitude, that Oswald is very disappointed. And his need to whisper in the ear of an already dead man “I beat you.” When that man died from a failing heart and not because Oswald got the better of him proves how important Oswald’s ego is, and how he views the entire thing like a game.
Crazy to think that the penguin actually deserves a video like this now after watching the show, previous to all of that I thought he was a chill guy 😭
Been looking forward to this one. Oz is one of the most evil, selfish people I have ever seen in fiction. He manipulates and gaslights everyone around him until he gets what he wants. He kills anyone who he feels stands in his way, without remorse or a single thought. He is true, pure evil. He has absolutely no remorse for the people he has hurt at all.
Always a treat when there's a batman character being analysed. Great vid. Wondering if you've ever considered Doctor Who, I think villains like Davros, The Master and Rassilon are very cool, if a little niche to anyone outside of the UK.
Absolutely agreed! Such a complicated character. Beautifully portrayed. Looking forward to more. Thanks for speaking about this particular unique portrayal.
After I finished up the final episode last week, (And nearly puked over what Oz did to Vic in the climax of the story.) I thought to myself, "Man, it would be great if The Vile Eye would feature this new portrayal of the Penguin in one of his future videos." Thanks for not disappointing, good sir. Stellar work, as always. 👍👍👍👍
I’m so glad his role as villain was reaffirmed in the end. I also enjoyed The Penguin series as a whole and am glad it was a tie-in with The Batman movie. I could never get into other shows like Gotham because they only had a vague connection to a Batman, but not any one Batman. I wish Marvel TV series felt this satisfying.
I think Gotham did one villain good and that is the Riddler, and I say that because it provided a justification for the whole riddle thing. They showed that Nygma got an adrenaline high from _almost_ being caught, which happened a few times by accident. The man has such a magnified opinion of his intellect that he assumes that the only way the authorities have a chance of catching him, and giving him that high as he evades them, is if he gives them a chance, thus the riddles. Batman becomes a nemesis because he succeeds in foiling the Riddler's plots, which takes away the thing Riddler needs to get that high, namely getting away with it.
I don’t blame Oswald for not honoring his mother’s wishes. She literally said she hated him, and stabbed him in the chest with a bottle. So yeah, I don’t blame him for keeping her barley alive up in his penthouse. Him killing Vic is absolutely evil though.
"Don't waste your breath mournin' that kid Vic. Every pup grows to be a hound, when them toothers grow up, they draw blood. Often from the hand that feeds'em. It's just a dog eat dog world, it is what it is. No mercy allowed."
Another example of Oswald's sadism getting the best of him is the hostage exchange. By the time he kills Taj and his mother the battle is already over. You could argue they deserved it because they betrayed him, but most people would avoid burning two people to death if they didn't have to. Not Oz. He decides to put his finger on the scale and he almost loses all the mushrooms as a result.
What is more messed up is the fact that now Oz’s mom has everything she’s ever could’ve wanted and now is stuck as a vegetable and a now a prisoner inside her own body and som she can’t even enjoy anything anymore like a regular person and her son can while also holding her life in the palm of his hands forever. So that tear she shed has two meanings now. And that’s all just so messed up as hell!
It's genuinely my favourite version of the penguin. Only thing i never understood was how everyone blamed oz for killing his brothers, it was shown as a childish mistake and yet everyone just claimed he was some psycopathic child.
I think keeping Francis alive despite her explicit wishes to be killed if she ever got to a point she couldn't support herself to satisfy his own sick delusion of praise and not letting her go is a different kind of evil I haven't seen on TV since the days of Tony Soprano. That was a new low.
Despite retconning his last name and upbringing (the Penguin was always from a wealthy family), I liked how they kept his traits: evil, petty and absolutely self centered. Him killing Vic and disposing of his goons whenever he needed was totally in character for him.
2024 seems like a year of resurgence of “irredeemably evil villains” especially villain protagonists, while the “sympathetic villains” still exist but not as strong as before. - Coriolanus Snow - Hunger Games prequel movie - Jimmy - Mouthwashing - Yoshii Toranaga - Shogun - Oswald Cobblepot - The Penguin - Donald Trump - The Apprentice (Disclaimer: I’m not saying as someone who’s on the left or right. I’m not even American. I just categorized him from what I saw in the movie, which from what I know, managed to piss off both political spectrums)
The Penguin is a fantastic TV series that does a great job at expanding the world of Gotham City and making Oz seem explicitly irredeemable, which is something few TV shows and films do nowadays. Also, I have a good idea for an episode you could do: Analyzing Evil: Franklin Saint, from the crime drama, Snowfall. I think the way he develops over the series is quite reminiscent of characters like Walter White, so I think it would be interesting to see.
If he does Frank Underwood, he should also do Francis Urquhart from the British version, maybe in the same video to discuss how they overlap and how they differ.
That final scene where Oswald is all dressed up and dancing with the stripper imitating his mother was so good. It truly felt like he had reached that batman supervillain status.
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The end of vic was very obvious when oz’s mother was affectionate towards vic in crown point Oz got angry and literally choked him afterwards it was always obvious
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I was so happy they didn’t make him an anti-hero. The Penguin has always been an unrepentant, greedy, sociopath. They nailed it with this series. Can’t wait to see Battinson beat his face in.
This is what I wanted the Joker to be. A true villain story.
Also what a hypocrite Penguin was for being a snitch for the Maronis and the city government yet he hated Don Falcone for being a rat. I guess he wanted what Carmine had, absolute control over Gotham.
Killing Vic made no sense though. He could've put him on the bus to LA and gotten the same result. What they should have done was have Vic make a friendly joke and have Penguin kill him in rage, echoing the first episode.
@@damian_cross That's the whole point, there was no real reason why he had to kill Vic, he just did it because it was the most beneficial and easiest way to go about it for Penguin. The show is telling us that Penguin doesn't care about anyone but himself. He only cares about what they can do for him, even if they're loyal to him. You see it when Sofia bombs the tunnels, when Penguin finds the bomb, he doesn't warn anyone, he just runs(even though it would have cost him zero time or effort to do so). It's to drive in the fact that all he's ever thinking about is his own well being. Yeah he could send him to LA, but to him, he's just someone else that can be exploited like his mom and is just a loose end, so the easiest thing to do is just kill him
Agreed! I love a good anti-villain like Mr Freeze, but not EVERYONE has-to be sympathetic. Sone bad guys are just….bad!
Also, we already see how Oz is evil since he was a kid by killing his brothers.
One of the vilest things Penguin has done is make the audience feel a little bit sorry for him. Make no mistake: he is bad, Bad, BAD.
HBO does alot I see, First with The sopranos now The penguin
@@steel749 Don’t forget Game of Thrones. That show is mainly populated by evil characters.
I'd say the most vile thing he did was all the murder
@@nont18411Just like “Succession.”
In all honesty, I kind of knew he became this way because of his influences. But as a wise himbo once said:
"Yeah, you think he would have turned out better."
By killing Vic, he was protecting his future, as he said it himself, Vic was his weakness, he did care for Vic in his own way but that was a genuine love that he could not allows to exist.
That scene really sold me the character.
I would say that I can’t see how Batman is gonna defeat the Penguin. By killing Vic, Penguin is now completely unbeatable because he has no weakness.
And it’s a general knowledge that Batman’s no kill rule is the villains’ greatest plot armor. He will just put Penguin in Arkham, which he will eventually escape and kill a lot of people again, which means technically, Penguin keeps getting away with his crimes. It seems impossible for Batman to defeat irredeemably evil villains like him and the Joker.
@@nont18411 Remember, this Batman is not an "action" hero, he is more of a detective and this Penguin is a great opponent for this cerebral type of batman.
He is cunning, quick thinking and very adaptable and no apparent weakness, it will take more than muscle to put him behind bars.
But he cares about his mother’s life though doesn’t he? His mother validates and solidifies his ambitions so wouldn’t that be his weakness? It sounds kinda contradictory to be honest
@@Sunnnys_abyss He doesn't need his mother's validation, he has Eve dressing up as his Mom and giving him validation now. Francis asked Oz to promise her that if she was ever unable to care for herself he would put her down. He actually might have but after she went off on how she never loved him and now having her locked up in a penthouse that she always wanted and unable to care for herself, she's in hell. Those weren't tears of joy at the end. Just like Sofia. Death is the easy way out, this is punishment.
Reminds me of that scene in GOTG 2 when Ego tells his son Star-Lord "it broke my heart to put that tumor in her head"
Another indicator of The Penguin's sadism is what he ends up doing to Sofia. Killing her would have been the smarter play in that it would have removed her as a threat completely. But giving her up to the authorities, knowing she would go back to being tortured at Arkham, was more satisfying to him.
i just hope they dont do something stupid by making her kill hin in the end the penguin is a cockroach so the only one killing him is someone FAR worse perhaps black mask or professor pyg if those 2 are ever added maybe even the court of owls
@@username.exenotfound2943 I've always liked the idea of Joker outsmarting Penguin by playing on his self-preservation and turning it against him so that as Oswald thinks he's about to get away he finds himself trapped and dies a miserable and pathetic end.
I thought it was a rare moment of good in letting his enemy live. Like deep deep down part of him knew it wouldn't feel any better to kill her for what she's done and that he's no better than her, maybe it's some kind of mobster respect for my enemies kind of thing. But I think maybe that just came from wanting to believe in that little bit of him that's underneath all the rest
Ehh... it seems more about giving the mayor a perfect win.
I read it as pure self-interest. Instead of just icing her, by giving her to the authorities he makes sure no fingers are pointed at him for any of the events of the series by giving the public a satisfying fall-guy, and he makes councilman Hady simultaneously more influential and more indebted to him.
That face Penguin makes after killing Vic is the single most incredible display of evil I have seen in film since Tony
Right it was the penguin from the comics given flesh im glad others spotted that moment it was like the replaced the man
Some real Jack Torrance vibes
@@devontejefferson6520 Colin Farrell is so talented, and yeah sure he has 15 pounds of make up on, but that face was him actually understanding how the makeup works and he created his own face through the make up. He is an absolute performative genius.
He should put that on the thumbnail
It definitely gives similar vibes to Tony killing Christopher
Dont forget that he wouldn’t admit to his lies even to save his mom from being tortured
To me it shows his cowardice where he's so unwilling to face the guilt and shame he repressed for so long he's ready to let the only thing he cares about suffer to avoid it
@@thedudefromrobloxxHe cares more about himself or his reputation as a savior of the people than his Mother. He's a classic Narcissist/sociopath.
I interpreted that as part of him actually believes his own lies so deep that he’s incapable of admitting that he could possibly be in the wrong at all
Ehhh, he didnt know it WOULD save mom, but did know if he copped to it Sophia wins
23:20 - I don't think that's why Francis is crying. In a prior episode, she makes Oz promise that he will kill her if she ever becomes a "vegetable." She is now in the state that she never wanted to be in, trapped with the devil himself (her own son).
The Penguin doesn't give his mother what she wants. He doesn't genuinely care about her. He follows only what he believes will serve her in a manner that appeases his ego. He is a narcissist who only cares about having her love. He's never satisfied, always craving more, doing whatever it takes to get her approval and adoration. He might even wish that she showed him romantic affection (as we see with Eve fulfilling Oz's fantasies). His Oedipus complex is a bottomless hole. He would rather subjugate his mother to the suffering she feared most (living life in a vegetated state) before admitting that he is wholly selfish.
The Penguin is now cemented as a ruthless force driven by the delusion that he is the perfect son and fairest crime lord.
The actor who plays Young Oz is a humble great young actor.
It just occurred to me that he was an actor, I just thought that was young penguin.
Best live action Cartman that we get.
EXCELLENT THE VILE EYE 👁🗨 WORK.
His post episode discussion was surprisingly eloquent and had a firm understanding of his character.
Yea he was pretty good
Something really interesting about this incarnation of The Penguin is that, unlike every single one before whom embraced the nickname, Oz does everything in his power as to NOT be referred to as "The Penguin" and the only people that use the nickname are those in a position of power over Oz and is always used as an insult.
Actually, the version of Fox's Gotham series didn't like the nickname either
That's because he's nicknamed after a harmless cute bird, which is a bad gangster nickname, because it's peaceful. Most gangsters have scary nicknames, such as "Machinegun" Kelley, Sammy "The Bull", etc.
Great parallels to the real world Al Capone too. Fun Fact: *"Scarface",* the mob boss' infamous nickname was actually an insult that he famously despises.
@@darlalathan6143no it’s bc it’s poking fun at his leg which is weakness, he waddles like a penguin, that’s literally the whole point of the name hence why every iteration has a cane or a bad leg of some sort
What makes Oz so evil is how he's able to convince everyone and himself that he's telling the truth. In a way Oz is never lying because in his mind the truth changes whenever its convenient
Alternative malleable facts
23:20 - I don't think that's why Francis is crying. In a prior episode, she makes Oz promise that he will kill her if she ever becomes a "vegetable." She is now in the state that she never wanted to be in, trapped with the devil himself (her own son).
The Penguin doesn't give his mother what she wants. He doesn't genuinely care about her. He follows only what he believes will serve her in a manner that appeases his ego. He is a narcissist who only cares about having her love. He's never satisfied, always craving more, doing whatever it takes to get her approval and adoration. He might even wish that she showed him romantic affection (as we see with Eve fulfilling Oz's fantasies). His Oedipus complex is a bottomless hole. He would rather subjugate his mother to the suffering she feared most (living life in a vegetated state) before admitting that he is wholly selfish.
The Penguin is now cemented as a ruthless force driven by the delusion that he is the perfect son and fairest crime lord.
@@ahmedshubair4103 Oz saw his mother as an item, she's just a trophy sitting in an empty room now
@@hailkingrex 100%. Realest depiction of sociopathic narcissism. He's stuck in a dream world which is actually the nightmare he created for everyone else.
Not to mention the audience the whole time I couldn’t tell when this slimy bastard was being honest
Vic's death scene really got me. I'm not going to lie, I've always been a fan of Batman comics and I already knew Penguin's profile, the moment I understood Vic's role, I was already sure that he would die, and that it would probably be by Penguin himself, whether directly or indirectly. And when Vic said that “they were family” I understood that it was his time, but I was still shocked, because I was watching Oz waiting for him to pull out a gun and shoot or a knife and stab him.
But no. He strangled him with his bare hands while still talking to Vic. And he was smiling. The guy was strangling someone who a few hours ago helped him become Gotham's crime boss and had just called him family and was smiling.
It is a consensus that in a strangulation scene the strangler has a strong hatred for the person being strangled. Just think of Hans Landa strangling the woman who tried to deceive him, or on Joker, when Arthur suffocates his mother after discovering the truth. The fact that Oz strangled Vic for nothing shows how cruel Oswald is, he wouldn't mind killing a close colleague with his bare hands if he felt it necessary.
And the final touch was him throwing away his identity. Previously he had said that the two would never be forgotten once they established themselves in the world of crime, whoever found Vic's body would never know who he was, he died like a nobody
I wouldn’t say he was smiling
This was foreshadowed in that scene where Link tells Vic "watch what you say or you won't matter" or something along those lines.
Damn…good points.
@@itzsamic Yeah, I didn't mean a Joker Slasher Killer smile or something, but a little smirk
@ actually I read he was setting it up to make it look like a robbery. Still cold tho
Oswald is really the great improviser. Especially in the early episodes, he managed to turn every set back into a backup plan. Certain death becomes less and less certain as Oz maneuvers around hopeless situation after hopeless situation. It makes me think of a line from another Batman adaptation, Fox's Gotham, "much more cockroach than Penguin."
So true, I was mesmerized by his ability to think so quickly and wiggle out on top after every setback.
they say that the most successful animals in nature arent the strongest or the smartest, but the most adaptable.
This quote from Penguin in Gotham fits well with Vic's "talk."
"Your greatest passion becomes your greatest weakness."
The show takes a lot of inspiration from Fox's Gotham. Like Penguin starting as a low ranking member of the Falcone Crime Family. Starting the Falcone-Maroni Mob War as apart of his uprising. Having a rivalry/companionship with Sofia Falcone.
This is what you love to see when it comes to intelligence in media. It shouldn't be about predicting everything, it should be about quickly turning unforeseen setbacks into advantages
I like how Oswald was written the same way as real life criminal kingpins. He worked as a lackey driving around his boss’s daughter, and eventually made his way to the top by backstabbing and killing anyone who got in his way, like a modern-day El Chapo in DC form
Chapo got 50 cent chain. when 50 got robbed in Chicago in a concert. chapo from mexico : NO more work until 50 gets his chain back"
1 hour later 50 cent got everything.
Except el chapo started out farming plants to make drugs not driving around the cartel boss daughter
And he uses tunnels as well, El Chapo's tactics could've been used as inspiration
Penguin is such a clever villain too he was so resourceful and good at improvising it made him a pleasure to watch
I love his ability to turn every obstacle into an oportunity.
A calculating, chubby, ruthless, manipulative and narcissistic sociopath. That’s why i like him
The S1 finale washed away any sympathy fans had for Oswald. It was a brutal reminder that the Penguin cares about no one but himself.
Him and his fiance
@kainlives7958 Thought he was going to end her in the last scene for giving up his location to Sophia but then I remembered they didn’t right him as a cunning genius. Just a good manipulator barely getting by
I thought Farrell was solid and the show had potential but all in all it was not very good. I thought the show started out interesting but went into the realm of ridiculous due to poor writing. I know most will probably bite my head off in disagreement but IMO people are too accepting of comic book adaptations and not critical enough of the acting and writing. The writing was poor. That’s it. I can give plenty of examples but my post would be five paragraphs long.
@ nope. It’s a masterpiece
The real villain in The penguin is the guy of IGN who gave a 5 at the series
The alien isolation special.
I wonder if he even watched the show
Who cares about them
Really and truly
At this point I give zero shits about the opinions of journalists and "professional" reviewers.
Honestly Colin Farrell’s acting and the excellent writing made his version of Penguin stand up there with Heath Ledgers Joker when it comes to perfect Comic villain portrayals
Even better - Farrell was the third choice after Jonah Hill and Seth Rogen (!) both turned the role down.
@@gelchertboth of them would have been AWFUL.
@@gelchertI don't know about Jonah hill, but I do not think Seth Rogan would make a good Penguin
This is why my favorite graphic novel is actually Penguin: Pain and Prejudice. It tells about his childhood and the abuse that turned him into the monster you see today. Seeing his pain leaves you feeling a twinge of sympathy for him, but then reminds you how much of a monster he is as both a child and an adult. Anyone who enjoyed this series should read it.
It’s currently listed on Amazon for $997.77
@@LeoJacobschildsay sike right now
@@LeoJacobschildJesus Christ!
16:56 He cared more about getting praise from his mother for getting to the top of Gotham's criminal underworld than he cared about her as a person.
The fact that the Penguin doesn't just kill Vic, but trashes his identifier - his license - to me shows even more so the depth of his evil. Vic probably saw himself being able to become something too. His name to be known. But now, not only is he dead, his identity, his legacy, will never be known. Vic's dream - which mirrored the Penguin's - was cut short and taken by the Penguin as he achieved his.
at the end of the day, Vic and Oz are just as guilty for the crimes they did (like Victor killing Squid out of paranoia and Oz being responsible for killing Victors childhood friend, Calvin)
The Reveal of Kratos being the Narrator for these videos is Awesome.
Right?!
Wait wut
I thought it was Binging with Babish
Punished Seth everman
Joshua Tomar
The ending to penguin/Vic is the perfect ending. Absolutely no choked pulled. Congrats to all involved in the production.
Never thought I’d be rooting for Sal Maroni of all people to give Penguin a beat down, but after what Oz did to him and after what it had just been revealed Oz did to his own brothers… damn.
I think the most vile thing about Penguin is that he’s fully capable of forming genuine bonds. His friendship with Vic wasn’t an act; the main reason he killed him was because he recognized that bond. And there may even be a little part of him that regrets leaving his brothers to die. That could be one of the reasons why he’s desperate for his mother’s approval and for the people of Gotham to love him. But Penguin always comes first to Penguin, no exceptions.
Arg arg arg
It's weird how they managed to make him an utter badass and a complete loser at the same time.
Really depends how you define those two things
Tony Soprano's in a similar boat. There are moments, in isolation, where he seems like a really cool guy, almost aspirational.
And then you get a hard dose of reality reminding you of how petty and monstrous he is.
Those states of humanity are not mutually exclusive, lol
He wasn’t badass.
That's definitely the Tony Soprano/Walter White style of villain protagonist right there.
The Penguin and the Joker are superb examples of how a supervillain can be given a very successfully starring role in their own story. Thank you for your Analyzing Evil episode for the Penguin. 👍🏻
You always end up liking them and sort of rooting for them
This version of The Penguin reminds me of Al Capone
Ai capone the famouse tax payer
Or Tony Soprano
@@x-rex7236yeah he reminds me of if season 6 tony soprano got worse but hid it more.
@@x-rex7236 Reminds me of Tony as well
That’s the point, the Penguin is always been a crime boss.
Hey Penguin….Vengeance is coming.
⏳
Cat woman takes him out i reckon or batman because penguin somehow capture cat woman
This was asked a while ago, but I'm asking on behalf of that person. Analyzing Evil: Lotso Huggin' Bear from Toy Story 3
He can't do that just in case one of the Lotso bears from the Disney shop gets revenge on him
@@laurenhowell7691 TRUE:,(
that bear was the first time in my life i felt hate
Colin Farrell just disappeared both literally and figuratively in this role, and I love it.
I have to keep reminding myself it’s him. He even looks like he’s trimmed his eyebrows (probably his most distinguishing feature).
My fav part of this series was how it took a nod from The Wire in the sense that if you're not paying attention the series won't necessarily spoonfeed you. Os is likeable but everything he did in the series made him worthy of people's contempt. He literally would not lift a finger or help anyone without it being beneficial to him.
The second the last episode finished I got so hyped not just for the Batman 2 but the Analyzing Evil Review on this OZ and you masterfully delivered as always. Outstanding work on this.
Also the show made me revisit the comics and how Oz took out his siblings there & at least live action Oz didnt go that effed up route haha but damn his delusions made for some immaculate tv.
Jaxblade sighting confirmation
Theres a comment anticipating this when penguin kills Oz. Man’s like yourself has a reputation of doing a series justice lmaoo
@@c_rem6101he’s in every hangout with the homies where the vybe and verse is interesting
@@JaxBlade “masterfully delivered” and yet he cant even get right that it was Vic who orchestrated the betrayal of the mob bosses and not Oz, superb stuff.
Health Ledger Joker would go so well with this version of Penguin.
Oz was just a masterfully written villain in this show. At first we see him backstab every crime boss to gain any edge he can, but when we meet Vic and his mother, we believe they're the only people he'd never betrayed and are the reason why he's fighting so hard to claim Gotham as his own, to give them better lives. But at the end of the show, when Oz achieves everything he wanted, he kills Vic and forces his mother to live in her vegetative state, despite his promise to end her suffering. The second he turned his back on his own family for his selfish desires, was when he betrayed us, the audience, as well.
Penguin: One Bad Day put it best. All Oswald has ever been is an ugly little animal.
His ability to lie even when all parties know the truth and he knows they know the truth is absolutely peak villain status, I’d say this penguin lies harder than Tony soparano himself, what makes him worse is that he simply doesn’t have that inner demon eating away at him, this is a man without any form of empathy or a conscience
Felt similar disgust when Oz killed Vic to how I felt with Tony at the end of the Sopranos. Super impressive.
Andor & Penguin. Two shows I never asked for but became two of my favorites.
I said more or less the same thing: two shows I had ZERO hype for ended up being favorites.
Saw the ending of the series and said “this is one evil SOB” now we can get the full breakdown. Love your videos brother.
The true story of At Close Range is so intriguing. There was a book written on the case and the author was asked to speak at a church. When asked why he was told "TO PROVE EVIL DOES EXIST!"
While some people dislike The Penguin and spite it for not being comic accurate or returning to the dark edgy roots or it being too realistic. I feel this is my favorite Penguin of all media. Is he an underdog to root for? No. Is he sympathetic. Nah. I never got into the penguin because beyond his gentleman persona he never really impressed me. But this show captures what I wished Penguin. A dangerous mobster yet pathetic morally bankrupt man. Pathetic till the very end indeed especially his fate in The Batman movie.
Lol what? The show is PRETTY comic accurate in it’s own way of it’s adaption! The Penguin is PHENOMENAL and massively critically acclaimed and prasied. I’ve seen absolutely NO ONE “dislike it” at all and the dark edgy roots ARE what makes Batman’s lore and characters perfectly compelling and handled! This show is absolutely fantastic with constant praise nonstop. I’ve not see ANYONE “dislike it” in the way how you say as The Batman universe by Matt Reeves and The Penguin included feels like I’m watching a live action version of Batman The Animated series! It’s pitch perfect Batman portrayal and most of everyone is saying this! NO ONE saying what you’re saying at all as most of EVERYONE is saying this is their favorite Penguin in all media! You’re not in the minority at all, MOST OF EVERYONE is saying. Lol what are you on about? NO ONE is saying what you’re saying as the show is VERY comic accurate, and dark in the best way that fits Batman and perfectly realistic in the best way! The Batman is a MASTERPIECE of a movie and this show follows suit! There are no “some people” as no one is saying this at all as Batman and his world and characters are SUPPOSED to be super dark and serious inherently and everyone expects that out of his world as the show IS comic accurate in it’s perfect adaption!
@IAmBored347 If you actually bothered to pay attention 2 the original comic book version of Penguin you would know that he can be very dangerous and one of the reasons he is so dangerous is because people underestimate him due to his appearance! I do not care for "realistic" Batman. Realism is bloody boring and limits creativity l.
@@tayojones9460 Lol Realism is ALL about Batman as Batman is supposed to inherently be a grounded superhero with no powers so his world is filled with street level characters. You can have a super powered characters and over the top villains and characters WHILE still keeping the “realism” vibe as there is no “limits creativity” AT ALL when it comes to Matt Reeves’ Batman universe as it’s filled to the brim with creativity and excitement from how thoughtful everything AS WELL as filling like a live action version of Batman the animated series BRILLIANTLY brought to life in the best way possible for Batman and his dark world! “Realistic Batman” works PERFECTLY here in the best way possible and it’s the furthest thing from “bloody boring” possible from its VERY creative usage of Batman and his universe! That should be obvious here as EVERYONE is loving it in the best way possible here!
The most "penguiny" scene for him is when he was yelling at Vic at the end of episode 2 for messing up the jewels plan
Another thing to note about about Oz's character throughout the series; when he is reacting in anger or self defense, he kills very quickly (shooting Alberto or his shootout with Maroni's men), but if he's having to take someone out when he has an obvious upper hand, he seems to take his time and opt for some form of slow, painful death. He stabs a man in the chest and lets him slowly bleed out, he sets Taj Maroni and his mother on fire to suffer the horrible death of burning, and of course, he strangles Victor to death slowly and painfully. It seems that part of his narcissism and need to be better than others results in a compulsive need to literally hold peoples' lives in his hands, having the ultimate power a man can have over another; the power over his very life.
This show has better writing and characters on a caliber that I haven’t seen since Breaking Bad.
Check out Better Call Saul then. :)
1:36 I’m gonna go get the papers get the papers
Now I need to sleep need to sleep
I can't defend Oswald. He was just nothing but a ruthless, conniving, manipulative person. Ambessa Mederda from Arcane maybe the antagonist alongside Victor at least they have valid reasons for their actions (Ambessa wants powerful weapons to face off against the Black Rose and Victor wanting to bring peace to the world both end with deaths and destruction). Oswald was just ambitious without a care in the world. Victor an unwilling participate turned most loyal follower was killed for no more than being a potential weakness or seeing Oz at his lowest sends nothing but disgust as not matter how brutal leaders can be loyalty is something that should be valued. Oswald disregarded the person who saved his life, fought for him and had Oz's back when all the chips seemed to be down.
19:38 That wasn't Oz's idea, it was Vic's. This is a reason why Oz felt he had to kill him, because Vic was becoming "ambitious" just like Oz was, and he couldn't risk another underboss turning against him.
I would love to see an Analyzing Evil video for Arcane. I’ve never seen so many people split between if a character is pure evil or pure good as Viktor
Penguin was getting his ass kicked by Maroni and won by a last minute heart attack. Great writing.
But that scene also showed that Oz was robbed of the glory that he sought trying to kill Maroni himself.
@JustTooDamnHonest Ahh i think Penguin takes those W's anyway he can
the show literally showed that he doesn't. He desperately shouted at Sal's corpse that HE had beaten him, not the heart attack, but he had. He felt robbed that he couldnt prove how much better he was. That's not someone that just goes with it. Yea he recovered and came up with a plan and story but that was after. If you cant see that I dont know what to tell you
Maroni is an old man and probably didn't have a good diet and exercise regime in prison, combined with the amount of stress that comes with being a mafia boss out of prison and the death of his wife and son, is enough to give him a heart attack
@@thedudefromrobloxx I never said that Penguin didn't have an ego who suffers delusions of grandeur.
Maroni died of a heart attack and Penguin used that in his favor.
I love the fact that this show doesn't try to make him an anti hero. He's charming yes but make no mistake he really Satan's favourite general
Fantastic analysis. One thing from my own interpretation is that I think the reason he keeps his mother alive at the end is because he also needs someone to bear witness to his success. His mother is the only one who knew where he came from, so he needs her because she knows how hard he fought to "win." He's pathologically driven towards dominance and victory, to the point he screams "I beat you!" to a damn corpse. She (possibly) knows he won, and that's what he really wants. He's probably also doing it to punish her but I think it really comes from insecurity and misplaced pride
"Everyone thinks they're the hero of their own story."
- Handsome Jack from Tales of the Borderlands.
Love this series! This iteration of Penguin reminds me very much of another favorite villain of mine, Littlefinger from A Song of Ice & Fire. Its so fun watching him play his adversaries against one another. The difference with Oz though is that he's able to inspire others, particularly common criminals.
He also reminds me of House of the Dragon's Aemond Targaryen who visits brothels paying for a mothers comfort rather than sex while the Penguins is having to pay for a mothers validation.
Here are my choices for Villains that would make great analysis evil videos.
1. Analysis Evil: Macrinus from Gladiator 2.
2. Analysis Evil: The Prophet of Truth from Halo.
3. Analysis Evil: The Qu from All Tomorrows.
4. Analysis Evil: Martin Walker, or John Konrad from Spec Ops: The Line.
Good taste
Ohho great list over here
The qu would be amazing.
@@rohanbesra4831 Thanks!
Epic show. But I think it's time you did South Park's answer to the Penguin... Cartman!!
For me, the worst part of Vic's murder was tossing his ID into the water. His biggest "sell" to any potential ally was that others didn't know or care who they were, and his final act against Vic was to make him just another anonymous body. Killing Sophia and Francis would have been preferable to where he put them, and he knew exactly what he was doing to them.
The closeups of the facial expressions after each successful outcome reveal the true Oz, one major league f'd up person.
I loved this series for manipulating me to have sympathy for him initially and then wrecking it completely with those final two episodes. Bravo.
Do me one BIGLEY favor: Don't do another season. Let this masterpiece stand on it's own.
I don't think it was to make him unidentifiable. It was to make it look like a random mugging and not gang related. Same reason he took the cash and threw the wallet to the side. Like at best it delays the identification assuming the Gotham police aren't entirely in the stone age
Please do Monika from Doki Doki Literature Club. While most rogue self-aware AI are driven by hatred, nihilism, or their own stone cold programming, Monika is motivated by love, or a twisted notion of how it works
14:21 “EVERY GOD DAMN TIME!”
For me, one of the most memorable lines because of its delivery; so telling.
The Fall of the House of Usher and The Glory have so many good villians!
I also think that a possible “moral” of this story is that to survive and thrive in such a vicious world, a society of psychopaths, you must be a psychopath: any residual humanity will make you vulnerable. This is why Sofia and Victor failed to escape: they were too moral or had too much humanity to survive in such a world. And this is also why Oz killed Vic, I think, because he needed to detach himself from any lingering humanity.
Another very important part of the Penguin and his evil is his need to feel as though he got the better of his enemies. This is demonstrated when Sal dies from a heart attack during his fight. You can see in his mannerisms and attitude, that Oswald is very disappointed. And his need to whisper in the ear of an already dead man “I beat you.” When that man died from a failing heart and not because Oswald got the better of him proves how important Oswald’s ego is, and how he views the entire thing like a game.
@ uh did you get hacked bro?
Crazy to think that the penguin actually deserves a video like this now after watching the show, previous to all of that I thought he was a chill guy 😭
We all knew he was a bad guy but he turned out to be the devil.
Been looking forward to this one. Oz is one of the most evil, selfish people I have ever seen in fiction. He manipulates and gaslights everyone around him until he gets what he wants. He kills anyone who he feels stands in his way, without remorse or a single thought. He is true, pure evil. He has absolutely no remorse for the people he has hurt at all.
Always a treat when there's a batman character being analysed. Great vid.
Wondering if you've ever considered Doctor Who, I think villains like Davros, The Master and Rassilon are very cool, if a little niche to anyone outside of the UK.
Man..as soon as I saw penguin I was like TVE is gonna have a field day with this one!!
Finished the show today. Dude, no wonder he's in arkham.
True evil.. especially that face when killing vic😢
Absolutely agreed! Such a complicated character. Beautifully portrayed. Looking forward to more. Thanks for speaking about this particular unique portrayal.
I hope bruce gives him those arkham combos
Cape stun combo on his ass is what I'm looking forward happening in Batman 2 😭🙏
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Analyzing Evil: Emperor Belos from The Owl House. I shall not give up!
Please do one on Sofia Falcone at one point
After I finished up the final episode last week, (And nearly puked over what Oz did to Vic in the climax of the story.) I thought to myself, "Man, it would be great if The Vile Eye would feature this new portrayal of the Penguin in one of his future videos."
Thanks for not disappointing, good sir. Stellar work, as always. 👍👍👍👍
I’m so glad his role as villain was reaffirmed in the end. I also enjoyed The Penguin series as a whole and am glad it was a tie-in with The Batman movie. I could never get into other shows like Gotham because they only had a vague connection to a Batman, but not any one Batman. I wish Marvel TV series felt this satisfying.
I think Gotham did one villain good and that is the Riddler, and I say that because it provided a justification for the whole riddle thing. They showed that Nygma got an adrenaline high from _almost_ being caught, which happened a few times by accident. The man has such a magnified opinion of his intellect that he assumes that the only way the authorities have a chance of catching him, and giving him that high as he evades them, is if he gives them a chance, thus the riddles. Batman becomes a nemesis because he succeeds in foiling the Riddler's plots, which takes away the thing Riddler needs to get that high, namely getting away with it.
I don’t blame Oswald for not honoring his mother’s wishes. She literally said she hated him, and stabbed him in the chest with a bottle. So yeah, I don’t blame him for keeping her barley alive up in his penthouse.
Him killing Vic is absolutely evil though.
she wouldn’t have done all that if he hadn’t allowed her to nearly have her finger sliced off
Oz could've just shot Vic on the head, but chose the physical and personal method - strangulation - as means of catharsis from his bond with Vic
"The road to power is paved by hypocrisy...and casualties."
- Frank Underwood from Netflix's House of Cards.
Would love to see him covered as well.
"Don't waste your breath mournin' that kid Vic. Every pup grows to be a hound, when them toothers grow up, they draw blood. Often from the hand that feeds'em. It's just a dog eat dog world, it is what it is. No mercy allowed."
@felipedisouza4988 Wow. That was good.
The penguin from Madagascar
Another example of Oswald's sadism getting the best of him is the hostage exchange. By the time he kills Taj and his mother the battle is already over. You could argue they deserved it because they betrayed him, but most people would avoid burning two people to death if they didn't have to. Not Oz.
He decides to put his finger on the scale and he almost loses all the mushrooms as a result.
Fun Fact: Penguins are *Carnivorous* Animals
Oz is a Predator
And boy did he pick the flesh off all his competition
And now a bat is going to come prey on him.
No one left to oppose him except:
Batman
What is more messed up is the fact that now Oz’s mom has everything she’s ever could’ve wanted and now is stuck as a vegetable and a now a prisoner inside her own body and som she can’t even enjoy anything anymore like a regular person and her son can while also holding her life in the palm of his hands forever.
So that tear she shed has two meanings now. And that’s all just so messed up as hell!
It's genuinely my favourite version of the penguin. Only thing i never understood was how everyone blamed oz for killing his brothers, it was shown as a childish mistake and yet everyone just claimed he was some psycopathic child.
Oz never had the makings of a varsity athelte.
Colin just won the Golden Globe for best performance!! 🙌
I think keeping Francis alive despite her explicit wishes to be killed if she ever got to a point she couldn't support herself to satisfy his own sick delusion of praise and not letting her go is a different kind of evil I haven't seen on TV since the days of Tony Soprano. That was a new low.
Despite retconning his last name and upbringing (the Penguin was always from a wealthy family), I liked how they kept his traits: evil, petty and absolutely self centered. Him killing Vic and disposing of his goons whenever he needed was totally in character for him.
I’m glad they actually made him a villain and not an antihero like all other villain focused media does
2024 seems like a year of resurgence of “irredeemably evil villains” especially villain protagonists, while the “sympathetic villains” still exist but not as strong as before.
- Coriolanus Snow - Hunger Games prequel movie
- Jimmy - Mouthwashing
- Yoshii Toranaga - Shogun
- Oswald Cobblepot - The Penguin
- Donald Trump - The Apprentice (Disclaimer: I’m not saying as someone who’s on the left or right. I’m not even American. I just categorized him from what I saw in the movie, which from what I know, managed to piss off both political spectrums)
Yes because those other “villains” don’t work AT ALL. That’s why a lot of people don’t like venom, morbius, and probably Kraven included as well!
The Penguin is a fantastic TV series that does a great job at expanding the world of Gotham City and making Oz seem explicitly irredeemable, which is something few TV shows and films do nowadays.
Also, I have a good idea for an episode you could do: Analyzing Evil: Franklin Saint, from the crime drama, Snowfall. I think the way he develops over the series is quite reminiscent of characters like Walter White, so I think it would be interesting to see.
Analyzing Evil: JR Ewing from Dallas, and Frank Underwood from House of Cards
Oh, Frank Underwood would be a really good episode! Second that for sure
If he does Frank Underwood, he should also do Francis Urquhart from the British version, maybe in the same video to discuss how they overlap and how they differ.
That final scene where Oswald is all dressed up and dancing with the stripper imitating his mother was so good. It truly felt like he had reached that batman supervillain status.
7:04 I wouldn't call him good natured or kind at all. He was weirdly possessive of his mom and did kind things for her to get her for himself
Love hearing the Arkham Knight study playlist throughout the video 🦇
Ohhhh did not know he dropped this masterpiece!!!
I arrive at the alter on bleeding, skin stripped knees. My throat is rotten and scraped, thick with unanswered prayers and unshed tears.
I bed, I beseech, I offer sacrifice of my own flesh.
For an analyzing evil of Ray Shoesmith from Mr. Inbetween.
Day 55 of asking you to please make a video analyzing leo kasper/daniel lamb/the project from the game manhunt 2.
Analyzing Evil: Unicron from Transformers
This is my most wanted episode of AE and I hope it happens in the future.
Shattered glass Optimus prime or Ultra magnus would make great ones too
"You underestimate me Galvatron"
I feel like a video about D-16 in TFONE would be the most probable choice for an AE episode on Transformers
@steel749 Those would work too.
@Fantastic-rp3lc That works too, but Unicron is one that I've wanted to see for years!
The end of vic was very obvious when oz’s mother was affectionate towards vic in crown point Oz got angry and literally choked him afterwards it was always obvious
Just finished the show and came straight here… I hope Batman breaks his legs in the next film
Analyzing Evil: The Gang from It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia
Analyzing Evil: Wilson Fisk from The MCU
Analyzing Evil: Francis Begbie from Trainspotting and T2 Trainspotting
Analyzing Evil: Bruce Robertson from Filth
Analyzing Evil: The Men Behind The Sun, and its basis, Unit 731 of the Japanese Imperial Army
"The criminals in this town used to believe in things. Honor. Respect. Look at you! What do you believe in, huh? WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN?!"
Analyzing evil: Firefly DC 🔥