The Truth about J. Edgar Hoover's Black Ancestry
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Could J. Edgar Hoover, the notorious FBI director, have been passing as white while actually being Black? We’ll sift through the history, check out some evidence, and think about what this could mean. How might his racial identity have shaped his secretive life and the hard-nosed methods he used? It’s a deep look at a complex issue that could really flip our understanding of one of America’s most mysterious figures.
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Ah you are developing the secret eye black people use to tell when people are passing. hmm. Next, you will be working on perfecting your collard Greens.
As a Foundation Black, me and my ancestors don't accept this tagic mix person....We know his history he doesn't like so called black people.
@@clementmckenzie7041my friend has a saying, “Africa don’t hide” 😂
Why is it that you ( NYTN) or some other American youtube channels still follow the one drop ideology when identifying someone who can or is mixed with black ? The one drop rule is not only a racist ideology, but its evil to the core that promotes only white purity exists but nothing else can have that same kind of measure. One drop teaches afro genes are a tain%t, thus one drop corrupts superior or " white " genes and the child assumes the inferio%r parents racial stock. Please, stop following this, you're continuing the belief that black people are sub-human and aren't equal to others, when were all humans and EQUAL. Embrace all of your identity. If you're biracial, triracial, etc, be PROUD of everything, if not, youve lost in life that lacks self esteem.
this made me laugh out loud
Hoover hated The Black genes he carried, and that is sad and tragic. Unfortunately all Black Americans suffered as a result!!
Eisenhowers mom was black biracial presenting
I was shocked when I found out
Also..
They had those tragic mulatto movies in the 50s too
Oh the Irony ☺️
I would have hated any black gene also
At least he had a twisted reason for his hate of the people.
My grandfather does as well. He won’t admit we are a mixed people. His great grandfather was as dark as coal. His nick name was “black Sol”
Sort of like A.D. Graham‼️👌
Hoover's homosexuality and cross dressing were his primary concerns. Powerful people placed him as FBI Director because he was easily blackmailed and controlled.
My grandmother and her sisters (whom were native/white/black in that order) all married black men ... AND THEY ALL HATED HOOVER FOR HIS BETRAYAL OF HIS OWN HERITAGE!!! They KNEW that he was multiracial. They also KNEW he cross dressed. These are NOT modern day internet gossip narratives ... this was dinner table chatter of the 60s and 70s. This was intelligent people reading between the lines they reported on the news ... and realizing that a man with all that relentless yet pointless outrage toward an issue ... was dealing with some duality in his own mind. I bet you my ticket to Heaven that when J.Edgar was in drag ... He was a Black woman.
this is what I kept seeing. ALL anecdotes, but all the same story, but from like 50 years ago, so these were people who were alive at the same time
😂😂😂
@@nytn I am 49. My grandparents were born in the 1920s.... Hoover was their main problem ... LIKE CLARENCE THOMAS is our main thorn in the side today. (And he USED to be a Black Panther Party member)
My grandmothers were both French & and Native and one great grandmother was Norman Irish.if my grandmother’s couldn’t find the good in anyone who had any good to be found. If they said you were wicked, they had the paperwork on you or knew somebody who did. Hoover was a traitor to humanity. He really was the Clarence Thomas of his day.
@@MisterRickSinister Clarence was never a member of the black panther party, but was inspired by them and thus he dress liked them during a specific period during his life when he was at Holy Cross.
Your parallel between Hitler & Hoover is excellent. Both of these individuals suffered from self-hate. Both were determined to bury the truth.
You could add Roy Cohn to make that a triumvirate.
It was said that Adolf Hitler had a Jewish grandmother and that he had North African lineage.
Hitler was a jew
It's why, Moe Howard could really play him..on
You Nazty Spy
You’re projecting too much, Hitler was an open book, and wrote about who he is in his book.
Hitler probably didn't have Jewish DNA.
His Black family in Mississippi has been threatened into silence for decades.
Yep
Wasn't he the one threatening Blacks? Don't turn it around.
Stop lying lady
There is no evidence that J.Edgar Hoover had African ancestry. His mother's side is completely European and if he was, it was most likely on his father's side in a distant generation.
@@MadACeTeeMack whole book written about it with 🧬 included how they are related. Look through the comments the title of the book is there.
I remember back in the 60's Blacks knew fully well that Hoover was Black. You can see it in him. I'm sure a lot of Whites were questioning his race. However, he was too powerful to question that sensitive subject.
Self hatred is insane America has a deep issue with race and racism
Every country has a deep issue with race. Every country has its own racist history.
Not only America, Europe, West Asia or the Arab world. Arab Muslims are the worst when it comes to the treatment of black people, they still continue Black slavery.
Yes and it comes from greed, envy and coverting thy neighbours goods and wife deadliest of sins of destruction.
It's in the American blood vein.
Many many countries have these same racial, ethnic and religious identity problems. Iberrians of the 16th and 17th centuries, now insist that they are White like North Europeans, because they've been discriminated against by Northwestern Europeans. The Iberrian migrants in South America seem to identify as White but as native Brazilians, El Salvadorans, etc., ethnically and politically. The same in Puerto Rico and other areas of vast migration.
He was ashamed of himself, so he took it out on other blacks
Wow, 93k subscribers? I was here when you had 4-5k subscribers. This was my little *diamond in the rough* channel. Now you’re at 100k. Wow
Wow, thank you! I still am flying by the seat of my pants😂
He was buried in a lead-lined casket designed to protect the body from an atomic bomb. It was so heavy one of the pallbearers collapsed.
So the DNA is there. We’ll know someday, probably not in our lifetimes.
I did not realize he looked black until you just showed that photo.
There is 2 separate black races they never tell the truth about that. The blk people he was persecuting he was not from.
He looks mixed, get out of the one drop mentality
@@Atlantis2227💯 ❤
@@SimpleMinded221in this context this subject is just being presented through the view of the status quo. That current standard, as outdated as it may be is the lens we currently look through. I appreciate your wish to move forward.
I KNOW RIGHT!!!! I said the same thing!!!
“J. Edgar Hoover: a homosexual with a Big, big problem ….” Tupac Shakur 1993
One of the most powerful and sinister individual in Amerikan history.
Tupac was gay so he would know
And then they kilt him
@@JohnDoe-uc4uu proof please
The 94 that likes this is what wrong with the human race
On the back of Millie McGhee-Morris's book is statement made by Robert Stuckert. Mr. Stuckert is a Sociologist at the Ohio State University. In his statement he said "155, 500 fair skinned African Americans slipped across the color line in the 1940s alone. Census and fertility data reveal that by 1950 21% of Whites in the USA had Black ancestry within four generations."
I told people especially in the south a whole lot of light skin blacks crossed over so be careful when you say you hate one group or another. This is probably happened with the native and any other group that came here. I look forward to the day when this is a sad thought in a book that people thought this way ever.
I heard that 40% of whites have African ancestry. Look at Obama's mother. She had black ancestors in her family tree.
@@DerekFrazier2014I was about to say something similar. As a multi ethnic man of British West Indian heritage,my late mother had the same complexion of J.Edgar Hoover and could have passed as white in the south where she lived and worked for a while. (She had a green book) My late father who was black as tar couldn’t. 😂 Most of the South is extremely mixed but due to stupidity and political propaganda most still think they’re White!
And I say that's a stupid statement... if you have mixed race you are NOT "African" American ... thats not a REAL thing. That's just a racist term used by both "white" as well as "black" racists to separate from each other... if you are a light skinned "african" American what you really are is an American of mestizo, melato, creole or cajun decent (based upon what your actual African ancestor mixed) to make a baby with
Facts!!!.
He looked a Cajun from Louisiana when he was younger in my opinion.
Which have a lot of people mixed with black dna
Creole
Hoover was a pedophile and so was his lover, CLYDE TOLSON. THEY LIVED TOGETHER FOR YEARS. HE and TOLSON hunted boys for years.
@@sknmwms6516 a person of mixed European and Black descent which by USA definition is Black. One drop rule.
@@xoxcrashxoxthat only applies in some parts of USA. Step anywhere else in the world, you will be seen as distinctly different from Africans.
Due to his character if I were black I would not want to claim him. That we are tired that we measure a man primarily by race is discusting.
I know my trace of Black came from a specific great-grandma, who lied. She told her family her whole life, her mom was half-Cherokee. She told me once, her dad was half-Blackfoot, in front of my dad, who had never heard that from her before. Meanwhile, genetic testing shows one of the segments of African in common with one of my dad's 2nd cousins. Her maternal grandma and his maternal grandma were sisters. I have seen a picture of the 2-greats grandma as an elderly woman, with glasses and a heavy winter coat. Her niece, my great-grandmother's cousin, is there, in a short-sleeved dress, holding her own grandson as a toddler, he as White as snow against her Winter skin. So, I am fairly sure my 2-greats grandma was a quarter Black, passing as half-Cherokee in southeast KY in the late 1800s. Granny was born in 1902 or so. I wish the passing had not hidden who my last fully Black ancestor is! As a genealogist, it eats me up to have intentional secrets done by dead people block me from my own heritage.
They were looking to survive
If they hadn’t hid it then, you may not be here today. I know it’s a shame. 💜
What your grandmother should have told you was that the Cherokee are Black
As I am sure you know, MANY African Americans from the 1800's through WWII who were able to pass off the lie, would identify as Native American in order to avoid the next-level racism heaped upon African Americans of darker complexion.
Melungeons
Hoover was a monster. Nothing worse than someone driven to eradicate their own people for fear of being exposed
Yes Hoover was a wicked monster but he didn’t try to eradicate his own people, once you put milk into coffee it is no longer black. As far as mixed race you have to procreate back into black and at the 3rd generation the NEANDERTHAL DNA is breed out. It was white people who created the one drop rule if you have one drop of black blood that makes you black and we need to stop this LIE today. If you notice there is a very very strong push for interracial relationships in TV, Movies, commercial’s and now on social media, there is a wicked agenda in play and a lot of black people who don’t have a clue. The Aboriginal Australians where heavy melanated people with kinky hair and they have been TOTALLY ERASED, so please stop claiming people who are not so called black. 😎
Hitler too.
@@tyronelewis6956 "there is a very very strong push for interracial relationships in TV, Movies, commercial’s and now on social media" Bullshit. You're biased, paranoid and you're over-exaggerating. I'm from Chicago and I rarely see interracial couples in the media and in person.
Go to any crowded place, look around you and you'll notice most people self-segregate and naturally gravitate towards their own kind. Interracial couples are literally about as rare as a vintage car rolling down the street.
I even get rejected and dissed by women outside my race most of the time, by the way.
You're paranoid. The media is not a reflection of reality.
I love that you're letting your hair go natural. It looks BEAUTIFUL!!!🌹
Thank you!! it feels like it's getting healthier
@@nytnHow was it before ?
He only looks Black when my eyes are open. We don’t want him though😂
He was Gay!
@@maxinefowler1186 true, and gay folks don’t want to claim him either.
@@maxinefowler1186big time
Yeah, I kinda found myself hoping that he wasn't Black, lol! But I can't deny those younger photos. Because of his own secrets and wanting to holding on to what he had, he helped to protect a system that made him have to worry and stress about living a lie. It shows how sick this system of racism makes people, those in the oppressed position and in the oppressor position.
@@candyDander I hear you. It’s hard to give him grace as a “victim” of self hatred and internalized racism, but he was. I still see it today. I find it equally hard to give those people grace, but I’m trying not to be purely disgusted.
He looked biracial or at least Hispanic (which is basically mixed) to me. My friend's grandson is biracial and his photo as a young man looks so much like her grandson. People are always asking him if he is Puerto Rican. He even has Hispanics coming up to him talking in Spanish. Hoover had that same look.
Hoover could pass as an actor in a Latino/ Mexican telenovela. 😊
The word Hispanic is not synonymous with “Mixed”, maybe you mean he looks Mestizo to you?
Back then Mestizo wouldn’t be in his type power.
He looked nothing Hispanic at all😩 Hispanic has NO particular look! You can be of any race & be Hispanic. But in general Hispanics are WHITE 😂😮!
@@kitty_s23456NO he cannot ~ he is Mullato! A n d they don't use Mullatos in te l enovela
@@azborderlands Most Latinos are not 100% pure European. A lot of them are a combination of European, Asian and/or African. When you see a Latino, you often can't tell what race they are. Visit any Latino community and you'll see it's a mixed society and very diverse. A lot of Latinos resemble Mariah Carey, Zendaya and Corbin Bleu, especially Puerto Ricans.
Just yesterday my niece told me about Hoover being black. And today June 19 I saw your video on it . What a coincidence. TFS. ❤
What an excellent episode, Danielle! I was waiting for this one and it was worth it.
So glad! great to see you, Danny :)
There was a documentary on his family. He had black ancestry: deep black roots.
Wonder if he had the notorious bbc?
Definitely he had to have a mixed ethnic background. You just have to see his picture. I don’t understand how he passed as white.
The same way many Mulattos passed as white. That's how
Go pull up a photo of Charles Drew. That's a black man to you?
Eisenhower did
However, he desegregated the military 😊
I didn't see it before, but I sure do now
It was pretty obvious
I never heard of this possibility about Hoover! Great show. It does make sense in a way to explain why he was so against civil rights for African Americans! Some people attack others for traits they have to "show" they are not what they fear. I have seen men who would attack gay men and then later find out they were closet gays.
Roy Cohn was a great example of that type gay man.
This happens alot.Like you say,usually the most homophobic,are in the closet, or have gay tendencies.
So much! I never thought about it, but wow, yes.
The crazy thing is that we still have to worry about people like hoover...
Hoover looks JUST like my first husband, whose mother is Indigenous Latina and his father is half black with a dark skinned Black mother(my first husband’s grandma). They all have a similar background as Louisiana Creoles and mulatto Caribbean folks.
I'll give you credit for not placing a priority on looks 😅
My late mother would’ve been Hoover sister with freckles.And she was of mixed British West Indian heritage ( Grandfather was a Berber and grandmother Cuban heritage)
LATINA IS " BLACK" THAT'S WHERE THE BLACKS ARE, NOT UNITED STATES.
@@SweatyYurii thought about J Hoover to have that northern african look, like berbers do or even egyptians nowdays
He actually started with Marcus Garvey decades before.
He was responsible for all of the atrocities against movements for black rights. Cointelpro, MLK, X, Fred Hampton, Muhammad Ali, Farrakhan
Did you look into Jacqueline Kennedy's family history. I think her father's side may be of interest to you.
no, but I love Jackie O! So glamorous. I'll definitely look
Yeah Jackie O's father looked Native-American or some Mulatto blood-lines mixed in
You mean "Black" Jack Bouvier, who falsely claimed descent from French nobility? Jackie O used to think she had aristocratic ancestry (based on her father's claims) until genealogists proved otherwise.
"Black Jack" Bouvier was of African and French European ancestry. His French ancestor was a Canadian of French descent.
"Black Jack" Bouvier was of African and French European ancestry. His French ancestor was a Canadian of French descent.
If you contact Andrew Young, he was in the meeting with Hoover in 1964. The SCLC party supposedly walked out, saying, "That brother can pass."
Surely he remembers.
"the skin is just a cover of the mind and soul, and a brother ain't a brother if his heart is cold"------mc serch (all ashkenazi) That's how I describe g. edgar hoover!
man thats good
An MC Serch reference .... SOMEBODY KNOWS HIP HOP HISTORY!!!!🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤
@@MisterRickSinisterI always wonder if Search could make it today
Ashkenaz was a grandson of Japheth...he is the progenitor of all the Germanic peoples. Ashkenazi are Jews that mingled with the Germanic people when they were expelled from the holy land
Mc Serch 😂...too funny
What about those fishnet stockings, and heels he secretly loved...was he the first Diddy🤣
Fishnets and heels are from his black genes
No actually the fish net are from his white genes...his white grandfather raped a slave who had his biracial daughter. The when she became a teenager her grandfather and his sons molested her. Eventually she moved to Boston and had an affair with her half brother and had a son for him, which is J. Edgar. But her brother married someone else and then she married a white man who raped her son. 2:00
@@Blidden like you see in Africa? Keep making an ass out of yourself
The king diddy from whence all others come
I heard that too
Yes he was and he threatened his own family to keep quiet. His stepfather hated him. He knew he was not his son and treated him terribly. And he never married living with a male partner.
Jim Crow did not end in the 30's or 40's officially 1965 but really it still exist just practice different now.
You are correct.
Yeah he looks like one of us, French creoles from Louisiana. 💯
Yes.Other folks may not notice it, but we recognize our own. I feel the same. His younger pictures look exactly like some of the young men in my Louisiana Creole family/communities.
@@vanessapete1091 yes same here. Looks just like my relative Snyder Patin
That man is a Mulatto/Quadroon or Octoroon. Why do they keep calling him black in these comments?😂 I'm a French Creole "Eglise Reformee" also.
@@krazyjnva2up2down55No one uses those terms anymore.
@@kellyroyds5040 YOU don't use those terms anymore. JUST YOU. Mulatto is widely used throughout most of the Americas.
I've read that about HOOVER before. I personally believe he was of mixed race. My children are of mixed race (black/white) and they look a lot like him. What better way to hide your heritage than to pursue and persecute whom you are hiding to be. I think most "black" people can look at other people and tell if they have "black" heritage.
That must have been a terrible life to live.
My mother always thought that my father's family was "Indian". We took her word for it. She was from the West--Alberta, British Columbia, Washington State, the Alaskan Panhandle. Wouldn't she know an "Indian" when she saw one? My father's family was from northern New Brunswick. Then, my sister did a DNA test from 23andme. No native Canadian/American heritage at all!!! And she's the one who looks the most stereotypically 'Native". She does have a very small amount of Spanish DNA so that might account for her dark eyes and hair and "olive" colouring. Also, we are of French-Canadian descent although no blood relatives speak French except me so again that might account for her darker colouring!!! And I learned French at university at government expense.
You are absolutely correct. Observant people, not just Black people can tell a person's ethnicity.
Hoover has black features. Ive always felt Abraham Lincoln had black features as well....🤔
Hoover was also a cross-dresser. The mob figured that out. Why do you think he never went after the mafia?
I had included that and ended up having to cut it, but you are right
That’s typical with Liberals and he didn’t hate them because of their complexion, it was because they’re The Aboriginal people who’s lands become easier to steal on eve their children start believing they’re of Afro descent
You're wrong. He built his bones back in the 30's going after the commission and high rates of bank robbers.
I'm a bit confused. How does being a cross-dresser made him fearful of the Italian Mafia? What's the correlation?
@@robertmitchell9529 well do you take into consideration about the time period and how people would have felt about that. He would have probably lost his job among other things. If you have all that power and you're weird would you seriously go after a group of people who could easily ruin all that for you? No. There is a reason why he never went after the mob. It doesn't really take a genius to put it together.
According to Judge Joe Brown, the family of J. Edgar Hoover were run out of New Orleans, Louisiana for attempting to pass for White. Also, in my opinion, I believe J. Edgar did have Louisiana Creole ancestry because he had a sister named "Marguerite". That name is the French version of the English name Margaret.
That’s why I’m here😂
Judge got me searching and seeking 😂
@@J.Anita24 Facts… I Been in a rabbit hole since 😂😂😂
So why they say Hoover was dc all his life??? 8:23
@@joboy3oh246 I'm all on FB talking about "J.E. Hoover passed as white, I know yall gone let Kamala be black." 😂 😂 Just trying to tick somebody off 😂
A DNA test would provide conclusive proof that Hoover had/did not have Black ancestry. Hoover is buried, not cremated, at the Congressional Cemetery in Washington, D.C., so a DNA test can take place once the body is disinterred. Another person you might consider doing a segment on is Dwight (Ike) Eisenhower, the 34th president of the United States. Google photos of Eisenhower as a young man (especially his time at West Point), and you'll see that he definitely looks mixed-race.
*They* would never do that… unless they can control the results
@@IshbikesTrue dat.Then would that mean that Obama Wasn't the first black president?lol
my understanding is that Dwight Eisenhower's mom or his grandmother was a mulatto (biracial).
@@vanessapete1091perhaps but he is the first acknowledged or recognized..
Hoover from his story and actions maybe. Eisenhower was definitely white. Nothing about his story suggests he was mixed
“If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, it’s a duck”
Lol
Bailey Sarian's Dark History turned me on to Hoover and what he was about. When I saw the first picture in this video, I saw a black man. 🤷♀
Love this topic! There's so much out here about this. It's documented that he had his birth certificate destroyed and he threatened family members not to be speak out his heritage. As someone mentioned he did cross dress and he had a male life partner. This man was very complex and layered. He spewed a great deal of hate. Thank you for covering this.
His life male partner was Clyde Tolson, who, by the way, was his deputy at the FBI and then briefly succeeded Hoover as head of the agency. They are both buried in the same section of the Congressional Cemetery in Washington, D.C.
@@ngana8755 Yes thank you he is.
I had never heard about this theory, and that early photo of Hoover looks so different from later photos of him that at first I wondered if it was the same person! Later photos of him are ambiguous; sometimes, when he is pictured with other white people, his skin is noticeably darker, but in other photos, like in one with JFK and RFK, his skin looks the same color as theirs. Color photos that I have seen show him to have skin that is not noticeably darker than what is generally accepted for white people, and in some later photos his hair is longer and it looks straight or wavy, but not curly like in some of the photos from the 1920s. Like, my Sicilian grandpa was darker and had curlier hair than J. Edgar Hoover!
He kinda looks Sicillian (moorish descent) so that basically boils down to mixed ethnic
he looks a little like my dad's grandpa TBH
Very likely Sicilians looked mediterranean (that kind of brunette that US "blackness detector" immediately screams "Black Africaaaaaa") way before than Moors(that weren't mostly African but ok, this is another US misconception ). Most of Mediterranean "melanin" is likely from the middle east and makes many Mediterraneans MGM par excellence
Young Hoover looked like he could be also Greek for the record😳
@@elleanna5869shut up already!!!! Always recessives telling people who looks “Black” gtfoh we your racism Hoover looks like a Creole Mulatto period and for the record the Moors were indigenous “Black” Africans and some were Indigenous “Black” Europeans!!! Get your knowledge up. You don’t even know where you come from 🤦🏾♂️
@@elleanna5869 There is much more Sickle cell trait in Southern Europe and the Middle East than Northern Europe, proving they have African genetics because it is a Black African gene if their dark skin isn't enough to see they are mixed.
Black and white created all the other races.
my mother told me he was Black when I was seven years old as she pointed out his home on our way to the mall.
He is clearly a Mulatto /Quadroon or Octoroon. Show me his African tribe since he is black lol
H was from Foggy Bottom, a "biracial" area.
@@marymitchell8625 my grandmother lived in Georgetown (closely adjacent to foggy bottom) during that time and one of her nephews was the first Black person born at Georgetown University hospital.
It's not disrespectful to call me African American. I'm proud of my African heritage.
What part of Africa you from?😅
How would we know????? That was TAKEN AWAY from us- that is to say what part of Africa were from.
Great video. I heard this back in the early 90’s but I never really followed up with any research. It does make a lot of sense though. It seems that with the availability of dna testing and better access to records, that tracing his genealogy would be easier now. Thanks for sharing and I hope that you and your husband do another live together.
Glad you enjoyed it! I loved digging into this one. We definitely will do another live!
Thank you for the work you do and your perspective! My 1917 Arkansas born father was never acknowledged by his white father whose identity remains elusive. Though my father could have easily passed, he fully embraced his "Blackness" especially the darkest in our community! This, however, had a detrimental affect on him in myriad ways. Sadly, the impact of white supremacy has caused so much devastation to the lives of many! Though, its grip is being challenged world wide, it may bring about the destruction of the planet first!
I have tried to do a little research on this myself. I'm so happy to watch this! ❤️
Also, please do a video on J.C. Penney, founder of the department store. He also looks very mixed race as well but I cannot find any info. Thank you! Blessings!
Do you mean Mr. Roebuck of Sears & Roebuck business?
@@pameladevoe4005 No, I'm referring to J.C. Penney.
@@pameladevoe4005 Google James Cash Penney, Jr. It shows his picture. He looks very mixed race but everything shows his family is white.
JC PENNEY! No wayyyy. My mom used to keep our clothes on layaway there LOL
@@nytn Google James Cash Penney and look at his photo. Tell me what you think.
Good morning from NY
This is interesting 👍🏼
Good morning! This one was so weird. I had never ever seen photos of him outside of a few ones of when he was a lot older.
Several years ago, I recall reading an article in a Black magazine featuring Hoover and his family. They were all very light complexioned with a couple of darker members. They clearly indicated that he was Black, did not want to be and did not associate with them. It waa I believe in Maryland or one of the Carolinas, but do not recall the accuracy. He, according to the family, indicated that he did not associate with them, but affirmed that he was BLACK and showed family pics.
As I listen to this, Paul Mooney’s”Everybody wanna be a 🥷🏾 but nobody wants to be a 🥷🏾 “ statement is blaring in my head.
There was an article in a Black magazine years ago that included a pic of his extended family who were all fair skinned Black people. They revealed their ancestry and clarified his background and relationship in the family. These people were his cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. Hoover, according to the article distanced himself from his family. It appears that he hated being Black. I will search for the article just to refresh my memory. Hoover’s family had all the receipts and proved that he was Black!
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I love how I was able to look at you and immediately assumed that you had some Louisiana Heritage
I love that too!
His heart was black.
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Please stop using this odious association of anything "black" with anything negative. His heart wasn't "black". It was his brain, like millions of other brains, that was filled with distorted and malignant beliefs about Black people and himself. The Black hue is indeed the Universal hue.
Na his heart was White
@@TimWhite-ut6lx that's why vampires need fresh blood
Millie McGhee-Morris is actually third cousins with J. Edgar Hoover because her maternal grandfather Clarence Allen was first cousins with J. Edgar. You see, J. Edgar's father Ivery Hoover and Clarence's father William Allen were biological siblings. According to Millie's research which is in her book as well, Ivery Hoover shared the same birthday with his and William's grandfather and that Ivery's and William's Dad decided to give Ivery the surname Hoover.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Hoover found out he was black by accident. He is related to Millie. Hoover went through a great deal of trouble destroying records and being buried in a lead coffin to hide the fact. You should watch Millies research on this...its really detailed. 😊
Who is Millie?
She's talking about Millie McGhee-Morris, she's a Black American author from McComb, Mississippi and is the third cousin of J. Edgar Hoover. She wrote a book on him and their families titled " J. Edgar Hoover: Passing for White?"
@@abrahamisaacmuciusiii9192 Thanks!
You mean he found out he was "Mulatto" by accident?
@@krazyjnva2up2down55 Why you say "Mulatto"?
Wow that's pretty deep I'm an older gentleman I remember him he was ruthless cointelpro also reminds me of Dr John Henry Clark when he talks about the Haitian Revolution and how the French use the mulatto children that they gave to the black woman against the black people of set time you got to listen to it it's really deep he also does a lecture go something like this how the white people made up the room of the one drop rule and he says in that lecture if the one drop rule is true did a lot of you belong to us black people that's also a deep lecture I hope you listen to it
Hoover was also gay and he went after people for being black, gay, whatever....meanwhile he had his secrets. Tragic.
He was buried in a lead lined casket , his choice with his lover next to him. I bet if he was exhumed & his DNA was tested we would find out this was true. I don't know what it would take to do that, but his body- being in a lead lined casket is probably in pretty good shape. Gosh- you've made me so curious for proof!
My first time here. I saw pictures of Hoover years ago. We are all people. When I worked in anesthesia years ago as one of the early PAs I was grateful for the parts of my Catholic upbringing that taught every person is loved by God. The Good Samaritan story gets complex if you really dig into it but we are to help each other was the lesson I learned. I did my best for every patient….i really did and do see us as people first. Even with all the new language and ideas floating around. Thank you for this.
I love your channel Danielle! And your hair is beautiful in this video. 😍 But I think what matters most about J. Edgar is his character. He was by many accounts not a nice man to put it lightly. Many people were happy when he died. I try to live my life so that is not the case with me.
He was not lily white, that's for sure.
It surprises me how many people could pass in the day that obviously look mixed. You would think people back them would be even more hypersensitive to it then we are today. I have a fee people in my family tree that obviously look mixed but when I brought it up to someone who has been doing our genealogy she got super offended. It is obvious and there is a brickwall. One family even had to use the mother's last name because for some reason they were not allowed to get legally married.
My grandmother and her 3 siblings’ grandmother was listed in the 1920 census as Mulatto. My grandmother was the child who looked the most “white” of the 4 kids. The daughter of one of the 4 kids, when an adult, said to her mom (my great-aunt “P”) something like it’s okay to be part black, because Aretha Franklin, whom Aunt “P”’s sister resembled, was really cool. Aunt “P” was outraged that her daughter thought that her sister (Aunt “B”) looked black, and by extension, so did she. Aunt “P” was deeply ashamed of being part black. She was born @ 1927. Anyone looking at the other 3 siblings could immediately tell they were mixed, and they “passed,” I guess. My grandmother was blonde, blue-eyed, with pale skin and freckles when she was a girl. The other 3 kids had dark skin, dark eyes, and Aunt “B” had at least some “nappy” hair at her temples. (Please pardon me if this is an offensive way to put it; it’s how I always heard my family members describe her hair. If there’s a better way to put it, please let me know.)
@@susangrande8142lol nappy has definitely fallen out of favor as being derogatory. Tightly curled, coily or something along those lines might be more favorable.
But seeing as it’s a family anecdote, there might be a pass
@@NiKiMa023 ☺️ Thanks! 🙏 That description of Aunt B’s hair was from the 1950s and 1960s. Now, I would call it very tight curls, like 4b or 4c? But the really tight curly parts were like in patches at her temples, as I recall. The rest of her hair was less curly. Maybe it was just longer, so it was easier for her to manipulate. I dunno; I was a little girl at the time, and didn’t see Aunt B often.
@@susangrande8142I have 3 to 4 generations of Mulattos marrying mulattos and non blacks on my family tree. I even have a recorded video of my grand aunt saying my 3rd ggm who was a Mulatto /Quadroon didn't like her mother's daddy because he was black and she thought he was too black for her 😂😂😂
Yes he was
No conclusive evidence but you conclusion is, "Yes he was."
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No conclusive evidence, but I appreciate hearing everyone's thoughts!
My father spoke frequently that Hoover had black ancestors. As you said it was a known thing in your own community, it doesn't become an issue unless new people move in, or you move away.
My dad was from the same era.
Good morning neighbor lady, from Copperhill Tn. 😊
Morning!!
Hoover had a much bigger secret as well. It involved male companions. The rumor was that mafia blackmailed him and that is why he never went after mafia full bore.
Hoover hated himself just like Clarence Thomas.
Lol, but it's obvious that the latter one is of African descent but not the former
@@dontbelongherefromanother Yes "obvious" like all the others who passed were/are "obviously" White.
How did Thomas hate himself? What did he actually do against black people?
I’ve never heard of Clarence Thomas hating himself a/o being/doing anything even close to what this POS did!
@@ejiofor8141you must respect be naive. Any laws that will help to equalize the playing field for blacks he votes against it. He sold his own sister out by trash talking to the white man about her being on welfare. He normalizes white anger and resentment against black people. He benefited from Affirmative Action and has voted to take it away from other people of color. He is bought by billionaires and is voting on their behalf and not according to the constitution.
No he was not Black. Black is more than just having a little black blood.
I had been told that he had Black ancestry but didn't fully believe it. When someone's skin, hair and physical characteristics mean they can pass they then have a choice. They can be coceal rnd bi passive, they can work against progress and maintain power structures like Hoover did or they can use their dual heritage to gain access and make changes like Adam Clayton Powell. He's probably someone wirth looking in to. I think he holds or held the record for passage of bills in Congress.
MY Mom was Biracial And She Pass For White When She Was applying for Jobs in The 50's.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I really don’t know what a “stereotypical” Italian-Sicilian phenotype looks like but I have one comment on some of the photos: if I was told here’s Hoover who was hiding the fact that he was controlled by the “Mafia” I might say “yeah, he sure could be part Italian or Sicilian.” But the title of the video primed me to think, “ yeah, he could have black ancestry based upon his looks when younger.” As for having “black heritage” it seems he no longer did if he ever did. His family passed him off. Hoover was born a century too soon. Mixed ancestry today would cause most confirming someone to the courts or executive branch secretariats to not blink an eye.
Somehow, if true, somehow I think few are going to say Hoover was the first black to head the FBI.
100% We don't a person's history experience. Thank you Danielle.
I always thought he might be related to the Hoover family that gave us Herbert Hoover, but I’m sure some of his lines might’ve been from black Ancestry.
'The Rise & Fall of The Third Reich' is a great book to reference. It's even more relevant in the current times. And, yes, many Nazis used their power as J. Edgar Hoover did, erasing their pasts, and persecuting members of their own ethnic heritage. Good work, Ms. Danielle.
Self-hate... That explains why some sizaN looked hsiweJ, with dark hair and dark eyes. They put blonde Anglo Saxons on a pedestal when most Germans don't even look like that.
Excellent reporting.
Ten people on riding lawn mowers? Now that's a party! 😂
Hoover kept so many secrets. Makes it ironic that his professional life was dedicated to knowing the secrets of so many other people. I didn't know that he was born in Washington D.C. and I have read that originally there was no birth certificate on file for him. It's plausible that he may have had some black ancestry, but there is no real proof, and I don't know if any of his biographers looked into any claims about his background. He was so hostile to the Civil Rights movement that I am surprised that any black people would want to claim him as part of the black community.
No , “Hispanic” is strictly a cultural grouping. Nothing to do with one’s looks or genetic heritage in today’s context. If anything, the authentic, original meaning had to do with people or things coming from Spain, a European country, therefore with “white” people and things associated with them. Nowadays, in the USA, and increasingly elsewhere, “Hispanic” denotes people or things _associated_ with Spanish-language-derived culture to one extent or another, and coming from any number of countries. You can be of any so-called race or color and be “Hispanic”.
If you watch Hollywood movies especially his (J Edgar) and Howard Hughes they depict the mothers of these men scrubbing their bodies. That’s their (Hollywoods way) of telling you. And there are so many other ones who have passed including ones I won’t name cause folks aren’t ready for it.
It is past time to name names! Give us all the tea!
wow seriously?
@@nytn Yes such as Clarke Gable Jackie Kennedy many presidents and vice presidents. The rabbit hole goes deep.
Even Asian Indians who have the darkest skin want to be White because they get treated better.
@@alireid5874 Clarke Gable Jackie Kennedy Father Presidents Vice Presidents
So many it’s a shame
How the Hispanic Black rose to such a high position is mind-boggling😏
You can tell he is part black by how his eyes are spaced (Europeans tend to have them closer and deep set), his button nose, his thick skin texture, curly hair, his skull being more wide as opposed to elongated.
@@duckman2480 C'mon..Obesity doesn't change the spacing of your eyes or nose bridge and length. When narrow head people get fat their face still looks thin. And the wide tip of his nose tells you everything that's he's black or Asian.
Ok, so what if he was mixed... is it really a big deal in todays term. He did what was in his best interest.
All the photos I have seen of him were when he was older and looked white. Now that you show these he looks obviously mixed black.
I also never noticed BLACK IN older shots of him just the younger ones, regardless, he "BLLLLLLAAAAACK!!!!!😅😮
Another video about Hoover (in case you've not yet seen it): ruclips.net/video/tri1s7jLSNo/видео.htmlsi=vi5n1WFoL5T9273b
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Genotype vs Phenotype is a common issue. J. Edgar was a strongman, that was smart enough to avoid the trap of being on top. There is little doubt that DJT wouldn't make it long in politics if Hoover was around.
As someone who has a racial divide in the family with one branch passing white and staying white, the other branch (great grandmother and her sister) married black and strongly embraced the civil rights and black community. My white grandmother always kept track of her nieces nephews and cousins. She also kept me and my siblings grounded in respecting all races.
I personally always believed that J. Edgar Hoover was mostly motivated by his view of patriotism and weeding out anyone he believed wasn't building the country he thought that America should be.
Hoover was complex at the least. I remember when he was given the waiver to be exempt from mandatory retirement, and how moved he appeared to be. My co-workers rarely realize how strong the mandatory retirement was in making upwards mobility possible in the late sixties and early seventies.
He was not black he was mixed race.
The more serious threat to Hoover was his homosexuality. It was illegal and would have been a major scandal if that had become public.
Ms. Mc Ghee was on The COWS internet radio show yrs ago detailing this. I believe the program is still available for those who want to listen.
I asked my 76 year old mom if she knew Babe Ruth was black and she said yes 😮
Check out the Triracial Isolates of the Carolinas and Virginia
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That’s the question I’ve always asked myself!!! Huey P Newton even accused him of it. Cointelpro!!! Omg. If he was Black … wow!!!
Hoover look like a lot of ny Sicilians I grew up with
I am from East Tennessee. Thank you for this fascinating video.
There's another RUclips video that shows a letter that Mr. Hoover had written to Dr. King. In the letter, J. Edgar says "you are a great liability to all of us negroes." That video is titled "Was J. Edgar Hoover Biracial?"
thank you! i'll definitely check that out
You're welcome!
Dannielle, I remember Mr. Hoover. The "folk" from my neck of the woods thought he walked on water. (because of his actions)..... He very much knew what he was but like others, like him, his views were slanted. A whole lot of people running around today are just like him in spite of changing times and plenty of knowledge.