The Philosophy of Blade Runner 2049: What is the Soul?
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Hey Tim, just wanted to say I love all your videos but can’t watch this until I watch this movie, but I felt the need to ask, have you watched Hilda on Netflix? It’s a wonderful cartoon and just from the first episode alone it makes me reminisce so much of Avatar: the Last Airbender, it’s a beautiful show and has an air of fantasy and mystery that I’ve only seen matched in one other cartoon series: ATLA. I think you might really love it and I’d love to hear what you have to say on it. Hope you read this!
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While you were partying, I studied the Blade Runner 2049
Me too.
I'm partying while doing laundry and studying Blade Runner 2049.
And a fine education it was!
They don't know that I studied Blade Runner 2049
2049 is a masterpiece and is criminally underrated
Skip6235 that’s sadly very true, but that’s often the case. I’m to young to really know if that’s really true but I think that the original was also kind of unknown. Other relative current movies that are ignored Alita and Spiderverse (I know that the later at least was successful in the USA but in EU it’s was kind of ignored). I know is disappointing but oh well can’t be helped
I think 2049 got superb reviews by critics, it just wasn't widely popular/received amongst the general audience.
even the original Blade Runner was not successful on its release, but it became a cult wiht time. I think that 2049 will follow the same path.
It is. And Dennis Villeneuve is going to give us Dune
@@TheCrimsonCat89 Agreed. Pity that he was unable to give us The Dark Tower.
The most underrated film this decade!
Wow that final edit of Joy and Roy is just beautiful.
My favourite part to work on.
~ Tim
8:41 The correct quote is ”I’m getting cabin fever”, and this is Joi’s programming subtly nudging K towards investing in an Emenator product to get her out of the apartment. This gives weight to one of the most interesting debates of the film, was it real love or merely programming?
Programing!
Joy's algorithm is made to serve K , no matter what?
Even when before the animator is destroyed , Joy shouts to K - I love you!
Like if your laptop would say to you - I love you!, before smashed to pieces.
@@szaki Right, but it's still disputed as to whether or not she has the ability percieve the world in a human way. She's mass produced and programmed, sure- but you can draw those comparisons to actual humans and as the whether or not those factors detract from someone's humanity. I think that in 2049, replicants have become even more human than in the original, so to expand on the questions of the soul/consciousness, they brought Joi into the mix.
@@alexandermagnus82 Still, Joy is just a hologram with AI.
Nothing more or less.
It's programming which is why K looks down when the Joi ad calls him the exact same name. It was real to him, however, and for some people that's all you need.
@szaki You can say the same about Replicants. They're just mass-produced androids, right? The question is, are they more or less? Both films say yes. And 2049 also leads you to question whether Joi is more than just a product. Your reading is simplistic and genuinely conflicts with a lot of what the film is portraying.
This video reminded me how precious and beautiful K and Joi's relationship is, no matter how artificial.
I liked this a lot, but you skip over a couple of key scenes that undercut the feeling of Joi's realness.
1) Where she glitches out in the rain
2) When K finds the billboard, reminding him and the audience that she was just a product. This is the big one. Did she ever make a genuine choice? Or was she just following her programming? Can an AI genuinely experience the world, live, and emotions? Or are they just inputs and outputs?
I think the film leaves these questions up in the air.
Yeah I was gonna say the say the same thing about the billboard, where she calls him Joe again, however her eyes are black and ‘soulless’ so it’s difficult to read what they were suggesting or what K thinks during that moment
@@Ultriix For me that is also critical scene. There is one more not mentioned in original comment: When she sends away escort girl.
Anyway My read of it is that Joi was never a person. She was created as wish fulfilment software. "She will tell you everything you want to hear" tagline on billboard. She will do everything you want her to do. And she is personalized, as in general Joi can't give what you want cause she doesn't know. She did couple hollow cold reading passes from the billboard, but they where extremely hollow for K. Especialy at that point in story.
So in the end Joi was never self aware nor free. And all the personality she had was K's. Joi was holographic manfestation of K's repressed desires.
He could only become selfless once she was gone. But I apploud fillmakers choice not to make her villanous or maliciuous.
@@UberNoodle This also brings in difference of Tyrrell and Wallace. While artefice or authenticity are parameters, there is also a theme of the the Father. Tyrrell was rather benevolent to his "children" and seemed to plan for theyr eventual freedom (entire Rachel storyline from first and scond movie). Wallace has no such emotions, his creations are tools for his ambition and nothing else (and Joi is his 'child"). And he is trying to exert controll over his "step children" the replicants. And the third Father in the story is constantly tormented cause his mere egsistance is a thread to his child. And can interpret it as conflict of Creators and theyr role in the lifes of Created, You can interpret it as Sins Of the Father parable. What I don't think you should interpret though is that your past does not matter (Dr. Stelline was special precisely cause of her past, wasn't she?). Of cource its also shown that its not the only thing that matters also.
In a way im thinking about Joi and her circumstances as reverse of what we saw with Replicants in the first movie. Original Replicants are bieng shown as "others" to as from the start of the movie, they are seen as dangerous and somewhat at odds with "humans". Yet by the end of the movie we along with Deckard
change our view on them and see them as "More Human than Human" (as was promosed/forshadowed :)).
Yet with Joi in second movie we see oposite of that, she is sweet and supportive thruoght all the movie, and it easy to think of her as friendly or good. But by the end (billboard scene) we see her as hollow.
In a way I think Joi is externalization of its users Ego. And its also method of control (theme of Wallace). In a way this for me explains why Luv left K alive after destroying Joi. She knows what it is and what it represents. She thought that she might aswell killed him by destroying it. This also prompts extremely important character development from K to sacrifice himself to save Deckard one of the very few real biegs who aknowledged him as a person.
@@pofruin I think it's important to note that Joi on the billboard is not an AI but just an advertisement. Whoever passes by it sees the same loop programmed into the ad - she repeat the same things to anyone. K's Joi is a full AI with the ability to learn and adapt and, in a sense, to "grow". I don't think Joi on the billboard had this ability. According to Turing a true AI would be indistinguishable from a human. From what I read AI are meant to become self-aware - a phenomenon known as "singularity". With an exponential learning curve Joi would become "more human than human". I think that she truly believed that her feelings were genuine. That is what made her real.
@@lukefallon3622 We don't know whether Joi in the billboard was any different from Joi of K's in its nature. She might be, she might not. The key phraze though was when Billboard called K "Joe". That name meant for K alot, it was the title he gained when he learned about his "divine" lineage. Then in scene prior to Billboard scene Replicant resistence members shatter that illusion, by telling him the truth of who is realy 'woman born' replicant. From the story telling point this is lowest point for K, and when billboard Joi casualy tells the name Joe to him it can mean one of two things: either is carmic coincidence and it's reinforcing the messeges K's Joi was telling him or its casting in doubt everything prior Joi was telling by showing that Joe is not unique name but rather generic hardcoded name into Joi's programing that she assigns to theyr users to create artificial bond.
The first interpretation is valid, but the rest of the scene undermines that interpretation (the cold flirtatious behaviuor of billboard Joi and the slogan of her product) , while second is reinforced by the rest of the scene.
Honestly my interpretation is that we see Joi as good and supportive to K. The only thing she does that is not supportive to him is sending the escort girl away, but that can be rationalized as jelousy (such rationalization already requres predisposition that she is somewhat aware and can feel jelousy, rather complex emotion on its own right). This colors our evaluation of her as positive and we tend to assign aditional positive features, diefy if you will, because of that. Exactly oposite of treatment Replicants got in the original movie.
And about the whole "true" AI. There is never claim that Joi is true AI. It is comercialy sold romantic support AI. That alone limits her severely, and freedom of choice is rather critical to the development of 'true' AI. She is shown with ability to learn, but so do RUclipss profiling algorythms, and I realy hope those are not 'true' AI yet.
By the way i dont disagree with central ideas posted i the video I just think the ideas would be much better explained by relationship of K and Deckard rather than Joi.
The argument was that if you have to find your essence post existance to be real is true with these characters too. A human is born to procreate and we find meaning far beyond that. K was built to retire replicants and discovered and found his essence in Joi and reuniting Decker with his daughter, things far beyond what he was designed for. Joi was built to give the owner anything they wanted and K wants to be real. Joi had to learn how to be real herself so she could teach him, to give herself agency beyond what her father company would want helping K escape from Wallace corp. Both are artificial intelligences that become real once they move beyond their programming and find a true essence post existance in each other.
I love this movie. This was a stellar video essay. Great job. Can't wait for more
Joi's death made me cry. The whole K and Joi plot is relatable in so many ways. It wasnt the look but the way she treated him. Sure she was programmed to say the right things, but arent we all. When your significant other has a bad day you ask them to talk about it, sometimes you really dont want too but you do it anyway cause you know it will make them feel better. All couples do "fake" things like that but they arent fake we just do them cause we want to help. It's nice haveing someone like that around you, it's even nice doing things for them. And when it's gone life doesnt feel as bright and happy. You are just exsisting with not much meaning. Just like K most of us are "nobody" with no real purpose. So the best we can do is get a small slice of meaning through love or responsibility. No love for me right now so I guess I'll settle for responsibility
I.... I have no idea what to say. This video was just... breathtaking, deep, subtle, amazing and so much more. This truly has got to be one of your most finest videos ever, Tim!! :)
Ya know, out of all the films that I have ever watched, the Blade Runner films have got to be the ones that really make me think so much about life, the soul, what it means to be Human, and quite a bit more (with the exception of TLOTRs for me lol). Through their amazing writing, breathtaking cinematography, camera work and such, these films really make me look at the world in an entirely different way. As an aspiring Writer, the films really show just how to make a deep, symbolic l, and philosophicial story that has been debated (and will probably still continue to be debated) for year now. If I ever become as good as the likes of Tolkien (even though imo no one is as good as him lol), Martin, Tolstoy, Hugo, Gaiman and so many more incredible and amazing storytellers, and they ask me in interviews what was some of your inspirations for my work, the Blade Runner films will definitely be in my top 5.
But all in all I just thank you so much for making this masterpiece of a video essay, and I cannot wait to see more amazing videos from you in the future!!! :)
Reminds me of Her, with Joaquin Phoenix and ScarJo
One of my all time favorite films. 2049 is a masterpiece the likes Hollywood may never make again
I have to admit, I almost cried. Very beautifully done.
If i where a teacher, teaching philosophy you would get an A+
but I´m not and i only can give you a like(cuz I already subbed)
hope that will make you smile^-^
But what does an A+ even mean? ;)
@@BrianStone0 lol. That made me chuckle pretty hard.
the blade runner stories are quickly becoming my favorite sci fi / cyberpunk anthologies.they are up there with ghost in the shell Akira and altered carbon. until this video i couldn't really place why i felt so strongly about it. i really see it as a masterpiece in surrealist existentialism. it not only sets the stage for most if not all cyberpunk media but really questions the basis of what makes us human and askes the hard questions that make the genre so potent in todays world.
thank you for this video it really opened my eyes to the things that i had consumed but not understood. you are a rare breed of creator in a vast sea of click bate and prepackages nostalgia
I love how the idea of humanity is explore in the anime Hunter x Hunter, but instead of artificial inteligence, it's explore with the chimera ants, a strange speices with human genes. The series makes you wonder whether Humanity is worth of being saved.
Beautifully written 😭❤️.
I need more Blade Runner analysis by Tim, specially now that he has read a lot more of sci-fi.
Phenomenal film, and every analysis of it I read and watch just makes me love it even more. This is art that makes you think and question what you feel long after you've seen it. Great job with the video as always, and the parallels you've drawn really add to it
You claim to have "worked super hard on this video, more than most..."
Superb work. I loved this analysis, probably more than even my favorites. This was a fantastic analysis, and not one that any other video has done as completely as this one: an analysis of Joi and what it means to be "real" and human.
Congratulations.
I wonder what you think the significance of the ‘giant Joi’ scene is? It highlights the fact that she’ll tell ‘Joe’ exactly what he wants to hear. Does that undermine the authenticity of their relationship? Does ‘I love you’ have meaning if it’s only said to provoke a reaction, rather than felt by the speaker? Loved the video, this is one of my favourite films of all time! Great work
I saw it as the moment where K has to face the fact that he is not the chosen one and is as "artificial" as Joi was. This is his lowest point, but afterwards he decides to pick himself up and help Deckard.
I chose to take a different interpretation of the film, but I totally understand how people can interpret that scene. I saw K reacting more in defiance of it.
~ Tim
The scene to consider in tandem is Wallace trying to gaslight Deckard with the hypothesis that his and Raechal's whole lives were predestined, precise math in their programming, to which Deckard replies: "I know what's real." He chooses to believe in love because that's what he FELT with her. He then proceeds to reject the picture-perfect copy of Raechal (the equivalent of the billboard Joi) even when she's programmed to be the exact same in every way -- because it's not Her. Their love was one-time and unique, it happened. The same goes for K's own Joi and the billboard; she might've been a mere program, but his interactions with her and their experiences were unique. He felt real love and loss with her, they grew together and she dies. The billboard can never replace her, it's a reminder of his loss.
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First off awesome video. I really like how you mentioned parallels to Macbeth.
2049 was my favorite movie of 2017 (time sure flies). It’s really beautiful, deep yet substantial and true to it’s roots. Also I really like how varied the analysis are of this movie. The first time I saw it I thought that Joy was something like Mephisto from Faust. The second time I thought that Joy actually may be more than just an AI, falls more in the line of your analysis. Now I wonder what for conclusions I would make if I see it a third time?!
Well, thanks Tim, I'm crying now. I loved this movie, and you have finally put into words exactly why the ending felt so satisfying for me, even though on the surface it appears tragic. My sister didn't like the ending, but for me it felt uplifting not tragic, like an extremely well executed bitter sweet ending (my favorite kind). Thank you for reminding me of this movie and these characters, and helping me see why it worked so well.
Unpopular opinion: 2049 > original Blade Runner
It's an excellent film, but better? God no
Some parts better, decard being a detective kind of just weird and felt like he stumbled into everything. Only real investigating was 'enhance picture'. Each one has it's pros. I Find a 2049 a little more interesting continuously. But original blade runner has maybe 2 or 3 more iconic scenes
I like to see them as complementing each other, rather than competing.
Original dozed off 3 times in 3 viewings.
I feel they weigh equally on me. The Original had some weirds spots with the last two fights (weird blonde duo) but it's foreshadowing and ending stuck me: "lost in time...like tears in rain..." Also the gun
I feel the action and story in the newest Blade runner was better intergrated (I don't know if that's the right word) and understandable to a layman like me
I’ve loved your work for a while, but this is by far my favorite of your videos. (More, even, than my love of the ATLA videos that led me to you!). And after what happened last week in your town to my co-religionists, this examination of further expanding and opening and overflowing our understandings and definitions of humanity-of sentience-in the implicit glories of our ever-proliferating distinctions and creative conjunctions, could not be more vital. Thank you!
Shakespeare and Sartre I'm so happy
The way you ended this video brought me to tears. The way you cut between my favorite scene of each movie expressed my thoughts and emotions more vividly than words ever could. Tears in the rain...
At 1:47 you can clearly see that joi’s name has an ampersand above the I and pink lights make the I less visible, it literally says Jo & Joi. This is a thing I haven’t seen covered. Jo being the short hand name for Janus, the god of beginnings and ends, passages, transcendence, change and I once read the God of Twins. When K studies the DNA he finds a pair of twins, but the girl is the one with the death certificate. When they discuss the birth over the bones, they mention how the child got stuck in the birth canal, the scalpel marks are discovered and inspected, then a Caesarian section is discussed. Then later the boys existence is passed off as necessary by the one eyed lady. This scene is interesting because after which you see K openly lie, a thing that someone in film even says its a good thing that’s not possible; i think this scene is the replicants patching software but also i think the one eyed lady is lying. When K goes to see the memory doctor which is also a replicant upgrade store, its stated that the doctor has been in quarantine since 8, its also either stated or implied that she knows who her parents are, that she’s rich (therefore never having been in a shitty slave labor orphanage), and though this is circumstantial evidence at best, human, not a replicant, and not the author/ creator of K’s memory which happened to a boy older than 8, and also authentic to him.
Being a detective, it’s both natural and trained to jump to conclusions, however wrong conclusions still make arrests or close cases, with minute real evidence or false circumstantial evidence they convict those who are not guilty and let those that are go free. Given the circumstances and available evidence i could understand K making the wrong assessment, introducing deckard to the doctor, who then would set the matter straight, but the movie closes leaving the facts ambiguous as the original did. K had a sister. The one eyed lady lied, because she wasn’t at the birth and didn’t know there were twins, and frankly, needs the living replicant be capable of reproducing same as Wallace, the future of replicants depends on it, at least as far as both of their ideals and aspirations envision. However, her ideals are truly as dystopian or perhaps even more than Wallace’s, because they show an utter lack of empathy for the majority of replicants and all of humanity, as the ideals of any warmonger or revolutionary truly are (as the saying goes viva la revolution, or live the revolution, however no society can actually live in a constant state of revolution, because its a terminal state of change, where the old state of existence dies, and in society that includes a large percentage of actual lives) sociopathic, and revolution overwhelmingly violent. But that does bring us full circle back to the God of change, K as his avatar, is the only character in the movie that frees himself of both motive and agency, he doesn’t worry about a coming war, as he’s obviously been fighting one of identity, existentially for his entirety, leaving him with one desire, to make meaningful connection. All the made replicants aspiring to an impossibility, being more human than human, K being the character that ascends to actual humanity.
Finally, this leads to a few thoughts. The heavy use of Shakespeare in both actual words and atmosphere, (literally quoting Macbeth and Othello) leave one to draw parallels, and with Endgame, blade runner 2049, is most like (my favorite and imo best) Shakespeare’s Hamlet. Does it even matter whether K or someone else is the Naturalent or is the perceived war to come a fabrication to be made by the minds of those that envision it, for all to suffer whether they participate or not? Is it not true that though you don’t live by the warriors way it can not still kill you? Is this always the truth for society, that when it fails it will just be being killing being for no more purpose than to fertilize the earth? Is slavery a fundamental necessity or a product of individual laziness combined with authoritative corruption? Do we enslave all of our children and creations?
I found this video to be so thorough, insightful, and incredibly well made. If I were a RUclips this quality is what I’d aspire for
I can't wait until we get to this point in technology...
So I can witness the singularity
Phenomenal video essay, I love how years on I can watch multiple breakdowns of this movie from many content creators on youtube and their observations and what they gain from the movie varies so much but points back to a central theme of what is real. I really do believe this movie is going to be viewed more and more as a storytelling masterpiece as time goes on. A real gem.
Fantastic analysis. Thank you for this.
Cannot get why this video doesn't have way more views that it currently has.
Love to question my takes on this incredible piece of cinema, even years after.
That was one of the best videos I’ve seen about bladerunner!
Thank you
Hard for me to think Joi wasn’t just saying what K wanted to hear, as she was designed to do. But this is a nice theory and a very well done video :)
Many people do
This film is the cinematic manifestation of Albert Camus Absurd man. K is the hero described in The Myth of Sisyphus. K is born to a dead world that doesn't want him, to lead a life that wounds him, loves a woman who doesn't exist, and then destroys all of it for the illusion of fate, which is in turn ripped from him, and coming to the acceptance of his complete lack of purpose, realizing his own absurdity, gives his life for the very lie which destroyed it.
Thank you for sharing that bit of knowledge. Helps more than you'll ever realize
This video is a MASTERPIECE! Worthy of the movie.
I'm a week late but thank you for continuing blade runner content even in 2019! May my recommended never be free of Blade runner.
To live a life which matters to ourselves is freedom. To live a life which mattered to others is the Soul.
Good quote who is it by?
@@RobertJamesStockton It's just something that occurred to me while listening to this. I may have heard something similar at a time I can't recall. Thanks though. If you find it somewhere else, let me know.
Good job putting together this video essay!
OMG! Yes! Thank you Tim! I have fallen madly in love with this movie, ever since I saw it in IMAX on my birthday. And I have binged every commentary and vid essay on RUclips about Blade Runner, and I'm still not sick of it. AND THEN this shows up!
I'm lowkey obsessed with this movie. I love Denis Villeneuve him and Rodger Deakins makes a great team.
I'm pretty much obsessed with it as well. Not only because I feel it is the greatest sequel in history, but also because it simply has no comparison.
the final act of this video had me crying. Truly beautifully created with a true intellect behind it, God Save the King!
Great script, great analysis, great editing, great intertextuality, super inspiring and thought provoking, just awesome tim well done :)
this video is incredible, one of the best analysis videos about 2049 i've seen. thank you for your incredible work and sharing your thoughts on this film.
Another great video!! This was a very complex topic and I think you did it justice. I need to rewatch the movie now because I think it will be even more enjoyable in this new light.
-Megan
Thanks Megan! Means a lot. Working on this video really made me adore the film more.
~ Tim
Real talk: this is probably your best video thus far! which is saying something, considering how high you'd already set the bar for yourself!
Nice job, dude!
Thank you so much!
~ Tim
ZAMN the edit at 22:40 is neaat. Made me emotional during this shit fucking day. Thanks man
Blade Runner 2049 is way underrated.
D. Dickens it’s not underrated . It was just not an enjoyable film.
@@coolbuddydude1 you're the biggest regard I've seen in months
@@coolbuddydude1 That is certainly an opinion
@@PolarBear1192 It is my opinion and of many others. The original was far better.
@@coolbuddydude1 Ok.
great video - very well done
Great essay. I really appreciate your content. Thank you.
This adds a whole new layer to the movie, and also thanks for noting the relation between Sartre and the novie
By far my favorite video of yours! More of this please!
This video is the perfect harmony between philosophy and art!!
I have watched neither of the Blade Runner movies, came here solely for your interpretation. Holy moly!
Going to watch them both now.
One of my absolute favorite films and the most intense and special experiences I ever had in a movie theatre, (thought and emotion) provoking to the point of forever beautifully haunnting, truly a masterpiece for the ages.
I've considered that because of how color affects the story, seeing the flower and Joy in yellows is no coincidence.
Bright yellows are typically associated with light, like the fringes of the orange scenes with K walking towards those fringes.
It is my firm belief that yellow represents hope and that the movie says that hope is what makes us authentic.
The flower first, K physically sees hope as he digs up the corpse of a Synthetic with the ability to bear children. Hope sprouts alive within him when Joy accentuates that he must be the child of Her.
This is when he feels the hope. Joy's death doesn't signify the death of hope, but the inevitability of it; for hope has sprouted in him and refuses to die, like a weed.
Las Vegas is bathed in yellows because it is a place of possibilities, of hope. K hopes he finds answers in any way as to his inner conflict. Is he actually born?
But what happens between K and Joy is what creates the authenticity. It is through Joy that K becomes hopeful, becomes authentic.
Since it is Joy that makes him feel so, would you not say that K has been of woman born?
Thanks for coming to my TEDTalk.
This is a beautiful video. You talk about emotions and make us feel them as we think about them. And in a way, through those emotions, I was right beside you while I heard your voice
I haven't even seen the movie but I'm blown away by this video. I'll definitely watch it now and keep all this in mind
Joi is programmed to act and react in the way most pleasing to her "partner"/owner. So all these actions of hers are almost certainly a part of her programmed response, not actual choice and love. At least, that's how I see it. But I still absolutely love this movie and Joi's arc, because it really makes us ask so many questions because she feels so human and as you said, acts the most human in the whole movie. But I don't think she has free will at all. She's just an amazingly complex and realistic AI, without any actual emotional substance.
Do you believe emotions cannot come from the material? I do wonder how differently we perceive "substance".
I chose to take a different interpretation of the film.
~ Tim
Hello Future Me But doesn’t the film tell us that she is indeed a program designed to please K, when the giant Joi starts using the same mannerisms towards the end of the film?
Or we could argue that she evolves beyond her programming, or even, we are left to decide if she has moved beyond her programming.
As stated in the video, we are directly told that dying for a cause is a human mindset. Joi choses to go with K, knowing the stakes.
i thought of this too, she was manufactured and created with a purpose of pleasing her owner. K's emotion is authentic towards Joi, however Joi's is programmed. there are interesting questions presented in the movie as to the extent of how "human" interactions, emotions and the boundaries of artificial intelligence or technology and Humanity
Been waiting for this video for quite a while. Love it already!!! very well thought out!
That was beautiful.
You have made me think about this movies in way I never have. Rather than it being about technology and free will in that kind of society, it's more about things that are primal to the human condition. Do we have free will, or are we destined to a fate out of our control? In some ways there are many things out of our control. But if everything including how we feel about ourselves and our lives are predetermined then there really is no meaning in myself and how I relate to the world, as if I were a program.
I've been putting off watching this video as I wanted to give it my full attention. Excellent video and brilliant analysis friend. Thanks and keep up the good work.
I loved the fact that I click on this video naturally assuming it's going to be all about K...but am delighted to discover Joi is the video's true focus!
Im so happy I saw this one in theatres. Still dealing with this movie is one if the singns that 2049 is my big cinema experience since and for years. Im a 2000s kid and this is outstanding compared to all the many shit movies being released. This is my deep and huge movie to think about.
Your video essay is outstanding, one of the most rewarding and interesting ones ive seen for a long time.
So other people are still dealing with this movie and it's gonna be 2 years old in 2019. Not a lot of more new motion pictures can give us that much intellectual room, not all movies are still in our mind after 1+ year(s).
Only when I saw Dune in theaters did I look more into what Villeneuve had produced. I didn't understand BR2049 when I first saw it but now that I look back on it, it is a truly beautiful film.
"And although my eyes were open they might just as well been closed"
I love the look of rain over bleak metal. It'd be so cool to get some of the film photography as a poster
Great video man! This was my favorite movie the year it came and it will go down for me as an instant classic for the reasons you went over. The philosophy and deep thinking it inspires. It even attacks these philosophies in different ways from the first one in unique ways. Great video man once again and keep up the great work!
William Blake:
"Why wilt thou give to her a Body whose life is but a Shade?
Her joy and love, a shade: a shade of sweet repose:
But animated and vegetated, she is a devouring worm:"
"Man divided from his Emanation is a dark Spectre
His Emanation is an ever-weeping melancholy Shadow."
"The deep of winter came,
What time the secret child
Descended thro’ the orient gates of the eternal day."
I enjoy hearing the explanation of one of the best films in history!!!!!!! Beautifully done! Thanks
2049 is my absolute favourite movie of all time, I’ll take all videos possible that praise this movie for how intelligent it’s discussion is.
Wow. Lost for words. Astounding video essay. Thank you.
Great video! But what about the “Special Joe” scene with the giant JOI advertisement in the third act? You didn’t address it at all, but I felt that it was a very significant scene.
I understand how some interpret that scene. I chose to interpret it differently.
~ Tim
Guess I’ll have to watch it yet again and see if I pick anything different up! ;)
I still consider 2017 to be one of the greatest years in film history: In addition to Blade Runner 2049, we got War for the Planet of the Apes, Dunkirk, Call Me By Your Name, Split, Logan, The Disaster Artist, Baby Driver, Thor Ragnorak, Wonder Woman, and (please don't be triggered) Star Wars The Last Jedi. 1939 still is the best, though, for me.
The only thing that’s got me triggered is that you don’t have John Wick: Chapter 2 on that 2017 list.
You forgot The Killing of a Sacred Deer, or as I like to call it, the second best movie of 2017.
1939? Why ?
@@buriedghostlady Some of my All-time favorite movies were released in 1939: Gone With the Wind, The Wizard of Oz, Mr Smith Goes to Washington, Wuthering Heights, Stagecoach, and so many many more!
@@amjiva I'll have to watch that one. Somehow it skipped my radar.
I think this is your most important video to date.
Would be interesting to apply the authenticity/freedom test to the constructed females of "Her" and "Ex Machina".
wow, loved this. Thankyou :D
Thank you for this video. It gave me the inspiration I needed for my Film class Term Paper and it gave me a bunch of stuff to talk about and reference as well :D
This video is amazing why so few views? RUclips your algorithm is crazy.
Masterpiece video. Thank you for your fine contribution!
Man, I missed the premiere! Didn't know there would be one! Oh well. Spectacular video as always! :)
You made such valid points than any others person has said yet
Oh man, that was so great.
Thank you for this video
Not gonna lie. I cried when Luv killed Joi.
It gets me everytime I watch it.
Dude such a fantastic analysis.
Kudos!
Well done, mate. That was a fantastic video.
One of the best you have made
beautiful. thanks for this incredible analysis of a film i already adored so much, makes me love it even more. :)
I loved your video, but I think you missed a layer here (there are lots of other things to talk about but just focusing on Joi's character which seemed the main focus of the video). Near the end of the film there is a large pink hologram of Joi who says she wants to call him Joe. This opens a lot of questions like: how much of Joi was programmed, what was real, was it all fake etc. That moment for me really asked the question of "does an AI truly feel?" or is it just learned and pre-programmed responses just imitating feeling for the sake of its purpose. It was amazing for me and the look on his face in that moment was literal perfection in that moment, really captured it all. Loved the vid, keep up the great work, perhaps you could touch on this at a later date. hahaha
This and the movie are just absolutely brilliant.
I subscribed because of this video 👏🏼
Macbeth storyline didn't make sense to me here at all but other than that, a very nice analysis. Thank you!
8:24: "The Turing test... is the idea that the ability to simulate human conversation makes one human".
No. Turing never wanted to answer that question. His goal was to design a test to determine when AI is can truly considered to be intelligent like human intelligence. It was his clever way of not answering the question "When is a machine intelligent?". But the goal WAS NOT to determine if a machine is human. He never went there.
HOLY SHIT AM I SEEING THIS RIGHT
Hello Future Me-san did a goddamn video on Blade Runner, wow.
Strictly speaking, Rachel’s child was like MacDuff, born by Caesarean.
This was beautiful I'm crying I loved joi