Thanks for this review! At Epic we are working hard to improve things and we took good note of all your comments as well as the ones in the thread. We are only at the beginning of our efforts and feedback like this is always welcome!
Yup, firm I used to work for outsourced this type of work. Didn't have enough hours to try and learn or fast enough to produce. Now we can literally texture and do most in house then push it into unreal. Of course with more time. To tweak and get it right
Great review! I've been testing Datasmith since August and I've probably saved about 400 hours of work. I used to have such a complicated workflow going from 3ds Max to Unreal-- about 12 different maxscript files and if I did anything out of order I'd have to start again, haha, life is better now.
UE4.19 has been released! Datasmith continues to be a beta plugin. Also, I have experimented with the Substance plugin a little bit, and it is demonstrated here: ruclips.net/user/edit?o=U&video_id=1y2T3GCNt0E
It took me forever to get working, UNTIL I REALIZED IT WAS ALREADY INSTALLED! LOL ;) This isn't just a game changer, but a WORLD CHANGER, :O HOLY SMOKES! (They are -back- still on top...)
This is really awesome! I just hope that in the future there will be support for other softwares. like Cinema 4D for example :) Not everyone is using Max.
Have you checked? It supports a lot of different formats, and some of them might be compatible with C4D. It is nice to have a direct exporter in 3ds Max, which I don't think they have for C4D. They are working on one for SketchUp, though. I think eventually there should be widespread support.
I just want to make one clarification that the Unreal Engine 4.19 will be out of Preview and have it's official engine release soon, but the Datasmith plugin will continue to be in Beta for a few months.
The Datasmith things seems to be hard to access, I installed the 'drivers' for 3ds Max i have converted a scene, but I cannot find out how to open the datasmith file in Unreal!!!
@@WoodysAR Hello me from earlier tonight! Anybody wondering, It was a lot easier than I thought,. Datasmith was already IN my Ue4 and active! I got the 3ds Max pluggie, converted a scene from Max, it was gorgeous in Ue4! Lighting issues, too bright BUT a small niggle! So cool.. Epic, I judged ye too harshly! ;_)
I think i read it somewhere that's with $50/month you get the constant support, update, tutorial, etc... But you can keep the program you have forever. May check and add sources later.
Have a question. Usually when doing marketing shots artist would use basic box unwraps. Unreal likes models to be unwrapped into islands so upon import it can create a second uv for light maps. What does data Smith do about that ? Also in the video it appears that your textures didnt make it?
Hi i have 1 question.....after baking lightmass how can we see it in VR?? I mean you can walk inside this software now how to export it to see it in VR?? Plz tell
I love that Epic Games is specifically developing tools for the arch viz industry. It's a game engine, but they realize people are using it in many different ways. This will be a big deal, and I agree that we are going to see a lot of awesome work come out of the industry using this tool.
Hello, followed your tutorial and it has worked so far how could I save it? I give "Save current" and when I open it, it doesn't come out anymore, what would be the correct way to save and then continue working?
how to install unreal datasmith to unreal 4.24 as epiclauncher has upto 4.23 .I am currently doing your udemy unreal course and this stops to move further.
hello, when opening my work saved and worked since the import of DATASMITH .. the graphic window appears empty without visible geometries What to do or how to open a folder saved in an unreal study? Help me! Please
Thanks for this amazing video! So valuable! Just to be sure; does the Datasmith handle the creation of unwrapped mapping at channel 2, to bake the lights?! No mapping needed?!
@@Learn-archViz thanks a lot for the answer. Did some testing today and it really... damn... it works! Still lots in front of me but with such a great tutorials as yours, I'll become a master in no time ;)
Hi there, A question - If you get Unreal Studio - Does it have Vray for Unreal built into it - As Chaos group charge {$80 per month} for Vray 4 Unreal? I am a bit confused - I have VRay for 3d Studio Max - But on the Chaos group site, you have to buy Vray for Unreal as well - So basically you are buy Vray twice - 1 for Max and 1 for Unreal? Am I right with this understanding?
Yes, they are two different programs. It does not come with Unreal Studio. Adding V-Ray for Unreal gives you extra capabilities beyond basic Unreal Studio.
They are essentially the same thing. Unreal Studio is just kind of the name they gave this project, which includes datasmith and other materials that are geared to industries aside from gaming. The actual engine remains unchanged. Datasmith just becomes a plugin for your existing Unreal Engine install.
I need help. I really dont get it! I exported .DAE files from Sketchup, converted using FBX converter, open in Unreal and I got 200 different files from 1 building! I then BUY Sketchup Pro to use Datasmith, I then export inside Sketchup directly to Datasmith, importing this in UE4, and I got the same result, 200 different objects that is supposed to be 1 ?? How the f... do you make it merge togheter to 1 file ? please
Are you getting 200 files, or just 200 different meshes within your project? One is normal, the other is not. When importing .fbx, you can import all as one mesh or as separate ones. With datasmith, everything comes in as it was in your 3d program, separated accordingly.
@@Learn-archViz Ahh. THank you ! I manage to find the "Merge as one Mesh" .. I also manage to use Datasmith, but AFTER I changed to Studio :) I was unaware that I had to use studio. It all works now . Thank you
I just started working with the beta a few days ago and im correct that yes vray lights convert but it’s not an exact replication?...for example, linear lights for something like cove lighting. I may be wrong or just don’t know (I’m new to unreal but not vray), but is it possible to simulate that sort of lighting in unreal? Also, lighting from emissive materials? You can get actual lighting from emissive materials/meshes in vray but will that translate to unreal ? Lastly, frosted glass also doesn’t seem to translate over and that can be very problematic for archviz. And collisions still need to be manually setup, correct? Anyway, great video my friend...this is all very exciting!
You're basically right no all accounts. The lights import, but are not always what you expect. I have been mostly redoing the lighting, other than the sun and skylight. You can get materials to actually emit light in Unreal, but it is not always the cleanest light. Also, for linear lights, you can create them by making point lights have a shape to them in Unreal, using the source radius and source length settings. This is the kind of stuff that is not translating directly using datasmith. Honestly, lighting has not been the major time consumer for me in Unreal. It has always been getting clean imports and fussing with materials, so even if that is all Datasmith fixes, it has already saved me huge amounts of time and effort.
Oh yeah, frosted glass has not been working for me correctly either. It may be something they work on fixing for a final release. SSS materials have caused me some problems as well.
Thanks for going through this, your videos are always informative so is the classes on udemy. I was curious if you could show bringing a project in from revit to 3ds max and then into unreal. I have tried it but it seems that the texturing must be changed in 3ds max before you bring it in otherwise when applying substance materials they are extremely small tiled, using just autodesks original materials do not seem to fix the issue either.
Watch this video: ruclips.net/video/1y2T3GCNt0E/видео.html I show how to adjust the sizing of the substance materials. Have you already tried doing that?
while Importing data using Data smith I am getting this message......Something went wrong. We were unable to verify your access to the plugin before timing out.....
My mind to your mind, my thoughts to your thougts, I am seeing the murky unknown location of the tutorial. I can see it,. I can ,,. No wait,. Magic isn't real,. You need to say where things are in this Universe,..
Standard Corona Scene with opacity/bump/displ/ interpreted it as a worthless mess. No good 4 me! Lights blown out, missed maps. too many problems to go into , I'll wait awhile
Great question that I would like to know the answer to as well. Unfortunately I have not tried that yet. I assume yes, at least on the skeletal animation.
How can someone tell what tool you converted your 3D scenes with in house? It will be more of a pay as you go for new and commercial adopters, where they get newest full builds, tech support, push stuff (can request custom stuff/changes) and private discord etc .. probably.. I HAVE HEARD, that once you access the Beta, you can continue to use it for free even after the final version is released. I sure hope so. I'm gonna stop 2 of my 3 machines from logging in to Epic from now on (LOL) so it can't be 'force updated' and crippled! LOL I love it that much, having tried it once before dinner! I have worked in 3D Studio / 3ds Max since release 1 for DOS, I have waited DECADES to be able to do this! :) A revelation... My wings have healed!
Anyone tried the exporter with max 2014? I'm not too keen on getting a new max just so I can pay to use unreal a bit easier, while now I have it working for free...
Hi was bêta tester for last months and i can tell IT is awesome... huge Time saver ... for VR you have tout Check the « spawn vr play editor » under « product viewer tools »
Thanks for the info. I have gotten all the VR stuff to work by migrating in all the blueprints from the standard VR template. I'll have to try out the other way too.
Maybe try... turn down light? Whomp Whomp... I bet it's the GI, that is the culprit OR an External 'Sun' Light is being made by default, and isn't casting shadows!
I have no "Import Datasmith" button in Unreal Studio. The Unreal Importer plugin is disabled in plugins menu, and I can't enable it (it is not editable). Need help. Does somebody have the same issue?
You mean Datasmith import exactly the same materials (even the more complex ones, with multiple maps) from vray max ???? like this cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/007/752/050/large/luca-veronese-3dsmax-2017-10-15-09-56-41.jpg?1508271252
Have you used Stingray much, or 3ds Max Interactive? I am wondering because I haven't really seen anyone adopting it in a serious way. Seems like Unreal is destroying Autodesk in this realm, but I could be wrong.
I felt the same way about tutorials and support. It is really nice that Epic Games has a huge answer hub with a knowledgeable and engaged user base. Tons of collective knowledge is available there.
Thanks for this review! At Epic we are working hard to improve things and we took good note of all your comments as well as the ones in the thread. We are only at the beginning of our efforts and feedback like this is always welcome!
Blender integration? :D
I know this is meant for Archviz but this is gonna change Games Development Workflow just as much. I mean, this could save billions of man hours.
Yup, firm I used to work for outsourced this type of work. Didn't have enough hours to try and learn or fast enough to produce. Now we can literally texture and do most in house then push it into unreal. Of course with more time. To tweak and get it right
Great review! I've been testing Datasmith since August and I've probably saved about 400 hours of work. I used to have such a complicated workflow going from 3ds Max to Unreal-- about 12 different maxscript files and if I did anything out of order I'd have to start again, haha, life is better now.
Just awesome. Real time rendering meets 3dsmax
UE4.19 has been released! Datasmith continues to be a beta plugin. Also, I have experimented with the Substance plugin a little bit, and it is demonstrated here: ruclips.net/user/edit?o=U&video_id=1y2T3GCNt0E
It took me forever to get working, UNTIL I REALIZED IT WAS ALREADY INSTALLED! LOL ;) This isn't just a game changer, but a WORLD CHANGER, :O HOLY SMOKES! (They are -back- still on top...)
"took me forever to get working, UNTIL I REALIZED" me too ~ :-)
This is really awesome! I just hope that in the future there will be support for other softwares. like Cinema 4D for example :) Not everyone is using Max.
Have you checked? It supports a lot of different formats, and some of them might be compatible with C4D. It is nice to have a direct exporter in 3ds Max, which I don't think they have for C4D. They are working on one for SketchUp, though. I think eventually there should be widespread support.
I agree! it would be nice to have other formats support, but I'm aware they won't support every format out there :(
Of course that not all of them, but I think that the biggest ones like 3ds Max, Maya, Cinema 4D could be there....
Seems like at least those ones should be supported.
Well it is not usefull just for Arch Viz :)
I just want to make one clarification that the Unreal Engine 4.19 will be out of Preview and have it's official engine release soon, but the Datasmith plugin will continue to be in Beta for a few months.
Yes, thank you for clarifying that.
The Datasmith things seems to be hard to access, I installed the 'drivers' for 3ds Max i have converted a scene, but I cannot find out how to open the datasmith file in Unreal!!!
@@WoodysAR Hello me from earlier tonight! Anybody wondering, It was a lot easier than I thought,. Datasmith was already IN my Ue4 and active! I got the 3ds Max pluggie, converted a scene from Max, it was gorgeous in Ue4! Lighting issues, too bright BUT a small niggle! So cool.. Epic, I judged ye too harshly! ;_)
Is it necessary to unwrap uv of all the objects before exporting to datasmith,if I wish to apply material in unreal engine?
I think i read it somewhere that's with $50/month you get the constant support, update, tutorial, etc... But you can keep the program you have forever. May check and add sources later.
Have a question. Usually when doing marketing shots artist would use basic box unwraps. Unreal likes models to be unwrapped into islands so upon import it can create a second uv for light maps. What does data Smith do about that ? Also in the video it appears that your textures didnt make it?
THISSSSSS. ISSSSSSSSS. FKNNMNNNNNN. AWESOMEEEEEEEE.. AM FKN CRYING HERE.. thanks for the video
Hi i have 1 question.....after baking lightmass how can we see it in VR?? I mean you can walk inside this software now how to export it to see it in VR?? Plz tell
This is so cool, we will see some amazing work soon ;D i cant wait. VR
I love that Epic Games is specifically developing tools for the arch viz industry. It's a game engine, but they realize people are using it in many different ways. This will be a big deal, and I agree that we are going to see a lot of awesome work come out of the industry using this tool.
Hello, followed your tutorial and it has worked so far how could I save it? I give "Save current" and when I open it, it doesn't come out anymore, what would be the correct way to save and then continue working?
It is necessary to put uvw and and unwrap before taking through datasmith.
how to install unreal datasmith to unreal 4.24 as epiclauncher has upto 4.23 .I am currently doing your udemy unreal course and this stops to move further.
The DataSmith window is not visible to me in Issuance 4.23 how I can display it
hello, when opening my work saved and worked since the import of DATASMITH .. the graphic window appears empty without visible geometries
What to do or how to open a folder saved in an unreal study? Help me! Please
Thank you for sharing this important stuff
Thanks for this amazing video! So valuable! Just to be sure; does the Datasmith handle the creation of unwrapped mapping at channel 2, to bake the lights?! No mapping needed?!
You are correct. It handles a lot of the more annoying parts about the .fbx workflow automatically.
@@Learn-archViz thanks a lot for the answer. Did some testing today and it really... damn... it works! Still lots in front of me but with such a great tutorials as yours, I'll become a master in no time ;)
Nice tut. Keep it up.
Hi there,
A question - If you get Unreal Studio - Does it have Vray for Unreal built into it - As Chaos group charge {$80 per month} for Vray 4 Unreal?
I am a bit confused - I have VRay for 3d Studio Max - But on the Chaos group site, you have to buy Vray for Unreal as well - So basically you are buy Vray twice - 1 for Max and 1 for Unreal?
Am I right with this understanding?
Yes, they are two different programs. It does not come with Unreal Studio. Adding V-Ray for Unreal gives you extra capabilities beyond basic Unreal Studio.
Can a udatasmith file be imported in the "reguar" EU4 engine as well? Or only in the Studio version?
They are essentially the same thing. Unreal Studio is just kind of the name they gave this project, which includes datasmith and other materials that are geared to industries aside from gaming. The actual engine remains unchanged. Datasmith just becomes a plugin for your existing Unreal Engine install.
The lightmap works also? IF you already done the second UV channel..
why i can't find these templates on the Unreal Studio tab of the New Project window and the Unreal Project Browser:
I need help. I really dont get it! I exported .DAE files from Sketchup, converted using FBX converter, open in Unreal and I got 200 different files from 1 building!
I then BUY Sketchup Pro to use Datasmith, I then export inside Sketchup directly to Datasmith, importing this in UE4, and I got the same result, 200 different objects that is supposed to be 1 ??
How the f... do you make it merge togheter to 1 file ? please
Are you getting 200 files, or just 200 different meshes within your project? One is normal, the other is not. When importing .fbx, you can import all as one mesh or as separate ones. With datasmith, everything comes in as it was in your 3d program, separated accordingly.
@@Learn-archViz Ahh. THank you ! I manage to find the "Merge as one Mesh" .. I also manage to use Datasmith, but AFTER I changed to Studio :) I was unaware that I had to use studio. It all works now . Thank you
Hey, I have not used 3DS max, but am familiar with Revit, Sketchup, CAD, etc. Can I use these programs to get a model into UE4?
Sketchup is currently in development according to the download site for the plugin.
When I import with datasmith my scene is completely dark. Do i have to change something in 3ds max? I don't have any lights in my 3ds model at all.
Is it available now in 2021? Or it doesn't exist?
I have a problem when i import my scene all my materials with reflections are kind of whitened any ideas???
3ds max 2020 vray 5
How did you get Unreal Studio? Is it available now?
I just started working with the beta a few days ago and im correct that yes vray lights convert but it’s not an exact replication?...for example, linear lights for something like cove lighting. I may be wrong or just don’t know (I’m new to unreal but not vray), but is it possible to simulate that sort of lighting in unreal? Also, lighting from emissive materials? You can get actual lighting from emissive materials/meshes in vray but will that translate to unreal ? Lastly, frosted glass also doesn’t seem to translate over and that can be very problematic for archviz. And collisions still need to be manually setup, correct?
Anyway, great video my friend...this is all very exciting!
You're basically right no all accounts. The lights import, but are not always what you expect. I have been mostly redoing the lighting, other than the sun and skylight. You can get materials to actually emit light in Unreal, but it is not always the cleanest light. Also, for linear lights, you can create them by making point lights have a shape to them in Unreal, using the source radius and source length settings. This is the kind of stuff that is not translating directly using datasmith. Honestly, lighting has not been the major time consumer for me in Unreal. It has always been getting clean imports and fussing with materials, so even if that is all Datasmith fixes, it has already saved me huge amounts of time and effort.
Oh yeah, frosted glass has not been working for me correctly either. It may be something they work on fixing for a final release. SSS materials have caused me some problems as well.
Is it better for Vray or Corona?
Works well with both. I haven't done the Corona workflow, but theoretically it should be the same.
Thanks for the reviewbrah
Thank you!
Do i need to bake the light? if so does that mean datasmith make a 2nd clear light UVs? thanks for the video.
Yes, you still bake as usual, and yes, Datasmith is creating a flattened UV channel for your the lightmass upon import.
I see thanks.
Thanks for going through this, your videos are always informative so is the classes on udemy. I was curious if you could show bringing a project in from revit to 3ds max and then into unreal. I have tried it but it seems that the texturing must be changed in 3ds max before you bring it in otherwise when applying substance materials they are extremely small tiled, using just autodesks original materials do not seem to fix the issue either.
Watch this video: ruclips.net/video/1y2T3GCNt0E/видео.html I show how to adjust the sizing of the substance materials. Have you already tried doing that?
I did not, I just finished watching it and I will try that way tomorrow thanks! If it does not work I will let you know.
while Importing data using Data smith I am getting this message......Something went wrong. We were unable to verify your access to the plugin before timing out.....
follow my installation tutorial
My mind to your mind, my thoughts to your thougts, I am seeing the murky unknown location of the tutorial. I can see it,. I can ,,. No wait,. Magic isn't real,. You need to say where things are in this Universe,..
I am using Revit and 3ds Max, is there a way directly to import from Revit to UE 4?
There is
@Al Cubz Datasmith
Standard Corona Scene with opacity/bump/displ/ interpreted it as a worthless mess. No good 4 me! Lights blown out, missed maps. too many problems to go into , I'll wait awhile
will it bring over skeleton animation and alembic animation from 3dx as well?
Great question that I would like to know the answer to as well. Unfortunately I have not tried that yet. I assume yes, at least on the skeletal animation.
will datasmith work for lumion ?
Does Unreal include the Unreal Engine 4? Is Unreal Studio free of charge and royalty free for non gaming companies?
How can someone tell what tool you converted your 3D scenes with in house? It will be more of a pay as you go for new and commercial adopters, where they get newest full builds, tech support, push stuff (can request custom stuff/changes) and private discord etc .. probably.. I HAVE HEARD, that once you access the Beta, you can continue to use it for free even after the final version is released. I sure hope so. I'm gonna stop 2 of my 3 machines from logging in to Epic from now on (LOL) so it can't be 'force updated' and crippled! LOL I love it that much, having tried it once before dinner! I have worked in 3D Studio / 3ds Max since release 1 for DOS, I have waited DECADES to be able to do this! :) A revelation... My wings have healed!
Anyone tried the exporter with max 2014? I'm not too keen on getting a new max just so I can pay to use unreal a bit easier, while now I have it working for free...
Haven't tried, but yeah, that would suck to have to update Max.
Hi was bêta tester for last months and i can tell IT is awesome... huge Time saver ... for VR you have tout Check the « spawn vr play editor » under « product viewer tools »
Thanks for the info. I have gotten all the VR stuff to work by migrating in all the blueprints from the standard VR template. I'll have to try out the other way too.
This works for Corona Render ? Это работает для Corona Render ?
Haven't tried it, personally, but it is supposed to.
Sir, what processors do you do in your editing system ......
Please sir replay.......
thanks , did u test it on interiors , i always get too bright scene
Maybe try... turn down light? Whomp Whomp... I bet it's the GI, that is the culprit OR an External 'Sun' Light is being made by default, and isn't casting shadows!
What about ubx collizion?
I have no "Import Datasmith" button in Unreal Studio. The Unreal Importer plugin is disabled in plugins menu, and I can't enable it (it is not editable). Need help. Does somebody have the same issue?
Issue resolved.
Reason: Project is not of type "Unreal Studio project"
Solution: Plugins -> Unreal Studio -> "Convert project & restart"
All nodes for a simple shader....and $50 by month to use Datasmith for november :)
You mean Datasmith import exactly the same materials (even the more complex ones, with multiple maps) from vray max ???? like this cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/007/752/050/large/luca-veronese-3dsmax-2017-10-15-09-56-41.jpg?1508271252
does it work with 4.18
Not as far as I know.
Nope
Wanted to see the baked lighting...
ruclips.net/video/6jkLY3UxxVg/видео.html - this video shows a sketchUp model that has been imported through datasmith, with the light bake shown.
It remind me of stingray a little bit, but this is on steroid
Have you used Stingray much, or 3ds Max Interactive? I am wondering because I haven't really seen anyone adopting it in a serious way. Seems like Unreal is destroying Autodesk in this realm, but I could be wrong.
Learn Arch Viz I kinda try it and its pretty smooth but there not enough support or tutorials to bad yes your right UNREAL is killing them
I felt the same way about tutorials and support. It is really nice that Epic Games has a huge answer hub with a knowledgeable and engaged user base. Tons of collective knowledge is available there.