According to PJ Reilly from Lancaster Archery’s review, Mathews is doing a IBO rating on their speed which 80#, 400grn arrow and the max draw length of cam. As opposed to the speed test Lancaster did which they said was ATA speed rating which they said is 70#, 350 grn at 30”. That’s why your speed test is off 12-13 feet per second. Oh and the 85% mods will make you lose about 4 fps. That’s what he says in his RUclips review. Check it out
Very good review. I shot one earlier this week and moving from a v3x I can definitely tell the difference. Everything you mentioned is spot on. I pick mine up next week;-)
Love the review - this MIGHT be the year I move away from my Chill R; however, my Chill R is still fast “enough”, lighter, and pretty consistent. Soo… maybe not.
@@bigz5262 The International Bowhunters Organization and Archery Trade Association use specific formulas to measure arrow speeds. IBO speed is measured by shooting a bow with an 80-pound draw weight (+/- 2 pounds), maximized draw length, and a 400-grain arrow. ATA speed is measured with a 70-pound draw weight (+/- .2 pounds), 30-inch draw length, and 350-grain arrow.
@@chadconstable79 UP TO 80 pounds, 5 grains per pound. So yes if you test at 80 you need a 400 grain arrow, and if you test at 70 you need a 350. IBO and ATA ratings were different but are the same now. The only reason some manufacturers say IBO is because they’re not a part of the ATA. The manufacturers don’t even know the difference and if you emailed them and asked they will all tell you 70/30/350
The draw cycles are smooth on all the new bows. The difference people notice come down to whatever they’re used to. Whatever bow you get you will get used to the draw in a couple hundred arrows
IBO rating is useless: "IBO speeds are the speed at which an arrow with a weight of 5 grains per pound of draw weight is fired from a given bow. There is no specified draw length included in IBO testing, and while the bulk of manufacturers conducts testing at 70 pounds of draw weight, weights of up to 80 pounds can be used as long as arrow weight is adjusted accordingly." Ffs
Y'all must hate Mathews for shooting them under 70lbs....🤣 That said, the alpha x 30 at .5" longer draw, and a 10 grain lighter arrow (440) was still slower than the Mathews. It seems at 28" draw, its close to IBO specs with the 450 gr arrow, coming up about 9.6fps shy of where it should be, but falls way short, by a very large margin with the same weight arrow at 30".
I shot both and the Hoyt speed was closer to the advertised speed than the Mathew’s. It also had a smoother draw. I’m a Mathew’s guy but this year I am leaning towards Hoyt.
@@bv12ringer Im a PSE guy, and also shot both. The hoyt was no smoother than the Lift 33, and was much slower, by 9 fps. The Hoyt with my 440 grain arrow at 29" draw hit 283, compared to the Lift 33 which hit 292, both bows at 70lbs. Of all the '24 releases so far, the Lift 33 had the best draw cycle and easiest transition into the valley and letdown. I will say I am seeing people having cam lean issues with the Lift bows, cable and cam contact. After dealing with this on an Omnia this past summer, I am willing to wait several months and see if this is an ongoing issue or if there is a simple fix for it in the tuning process. I don't mind the Mathews tophats, far better than multiple tiny shims to have to deal with, but I hate cam and cable contact from excessive cam lean to get a bow to tune, and I can't accept an arrow running so far out of center shot it sticks left or right of the front stabilizer.
Not a ton I wanna switch from this now hardly anything has changed since I got my triax. Added dove tail for front mounted sights and split limbs which can be bad or or good. Also more cut outs for half a lb lighter than my bow. Only thing I want is the Match string so hopefully I can stop twisting my peep sight with my mouth when full drawn lol
All they needed to do is fix the grip, not make it bluetooth compatible. From a mechanics standpoint, the new axle mounting makes 10,000 times more sense. Lighter is better.
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According to PJ Reilly from Lancaster Archery’s review, Mathews is doing a IBO rating on their speed which 80#, 400grn arrow and the max draw length of cam. As opposed to the speed test Lancaster did which they said was ATA speed rating which they said is 70#, 350 grn at 30”. That’s why your speed test is off 12-13 feet per second. Oh and the 85% mods will make you lose about 4 fps. That’s what he says in his RUclips review. Check it out
I just said the same thing on podium archers channel with mfjj
We can dig it 🤘🏻
He’s just trying to sell a slow bow. Email Mathews and ask them how they got the 348 number. I did and they replied 70 lbs at 30” with 350 gr arrow.
Get a pse and hit your numbers.
@@krisessick4464 please explain to me logically why we will be trying to sell a slow bow. That makes absolutely no sense…
Very good review. I shot one earlier this week and moving from a v3x I can definitely tell the difference. Everything you mentioned is spot on. I pick mine up next week;-)
I went with Bee Stinger stabilizers. I couldn't see spending $750 for the Mathews stabilizers.
Love the review - this MIGHT be the year I move away from my Chill R; however, my Chill R is still fast “enough”, lighter, and pretty consistent. Soo… maybe not.
Isn't IBO also tested at 80lb draw weight?
Up to 80 pounds. They all test at 70
@@bigz5262 The International Bowhunters Organization and Archery Trade Association use specific formulas to measure arrow speeds. IBO speed is measured by shooting a bow with an 80-pound draw weight (+/- 2 pounds), maximized draw length, and a 400-grain arrow. ATA speed is measured with a 70-pound draw weight (+/- .2 pounds), 30-inch draw length, and 350-grain arrow.
@@chadconstable79 UP TO 80 pounds, 5 grains per pound. So yes if you test at 80 you need a 400 grain arrow, and if you test at 70 you need a 350. IBO and ATA ratings were different but are the same now. The only reason some manufacturers say IBO is because they’re not a part of the ATA. The manufacturers don’t even know the difference and if you emailed them and asked they will all tell you 70/30/350
How’s the draw cycle compared to the new Hoyt’s?
Having shot both, the Hoyt alpha is not as light but the draw is much smoother on the hoyt
And the Hoyt is a few seconds faster. It also has a new cam design with 1/4” adjustments. The back wall is truly a wall. Dead
I shot both and the Lift had a more solid backwall, and is faster than the Hoyt by 5-8fps. @@bv12ringer
The draw cycles are smooth on all the new bows. The difference people notice come down to whatever they’re used to. Whatever bow you get you will get used to the draw in a couple hundred arrows
What poundage reader was that
Test it with 55 pounds and 28 dra
That's what I want to see!
I’m looking for a review on the lift but in 60 lbs. @29”.
Dude you’re draw is terrible
Can’t wait to hold this thing and see it in person. I have a Halon 32 and this is the first bow that’s intrigued me. Great stuff men.
I'm curious of the 33 version fully loaded weight. I'm almost 7 pounds with a v3x
I’m in the same boat lol
IBO rating is useless:
"IBO speeds are the speed at which an arrow with a weight of 5 grains per pound of draw weight is fired from a given bow.
There is no specified draw length included in IBO testing, and while the bulk of manufacturers conducts testing at 70 pounds of draw weight, weights of up to 80 pounds can be used as long as arrow weight is adjusted accordingly."
Ffs
Y'all must hate Mathews for shooting them under 70lbs....🤣 That said, the alpha x 30 at .5" longer draw, and a 10 grain lighter arrow (440) was still slower than the Mathews. It seems at 28" draw, its close to IBO specs with the 450 gr arrow, coming up about 9.6fps shy of where it should be, but falls way short, by a very large margin with the same weight arrow at 30".
We set them at 70 like every other bow
I shot both and the Hoyt speed was closer to the advertised speed than the Mathew’s. It also had a smoother draw. I’m a Mathew’s guy but this year I am leaning towards Hoyt.
@@bv12ringer Im a PSE guy, and also shot both. The hoyt was no smoother than the Lift 33, and was much slower, by 9 fps. The Hoyt with my 440 grain arrow at 29" draw hit 283, compared to the Lift 33 which hit 292, both bows at 70lbs. Of all the '24 releases so far, the Lift 33 had the best draw cycle and easiest transition into the valley and letdown. I will say I am seeing people having cam lean issues with the Lift bows, cable and cam contact. After dealing with this on an Omnia this past summer, I am willing to wait several months and see if this is an ongoing issue or if there is a simple fix for it in the tuning process. I don't mind the Mathews tophats, far better than multiple tiny shims to have to deal with, but I hate cam and cable contact from excessive cam lean to get a bow to tune, and I can't accept an arrow running so far out of center shot it sticks left or right of the front stabilizer.
Not a ton I wanna switch from this now hardly anything has changed since I got my triax. Added dove tail for front mounted sights and split limbs which can be bad or or good. Also more cut outs for half a lb lighter than my bow. Only thing I want is the Match string so hopefully I can stop twisting my peep sight with my mouth when full drawn lol
Just bought this as my first bow ever. Hopefully it’s the only bow I buy.
All they needed to do is fix the grip, not make it bluetooth compatible.
From a mechanics standpoint, the new axle mounting makes 10,000 times more sense.
Lighter is better.
Wish they made it look like the title or out of carbon. I'm keeping my v3x33 until
What do you guys think of those dca vanes your using
Your speed test was almost 20 fps slow?
More junk split limbs and big cams running out of ideas
Reeee!!!
IBO is 80 pounds at max draw lengt , ATA is 70 at 30
Incorrect. Up to 80 pounds, 5 grains per pound of draw weight. They all test at 70 pounds, 30 inches