Im a train conductor, a couple days ago . My engineer was a vet. A MP who spend 2009/2010 in Afghanistan. The storys he told me. He told me his whole military career..i was fascinated by it. It was really cool. Man we gotta take better care of our vets.
PTSD doesn't have to be full blown events either. It can be little changes that quietly effects the individual for a lifetime. In the end we are never really the same as much as we try and continue what society deems a normal life. While celebrities and athletes are put on a pedestal wondering how many millions they will make playing a game or acting, the people who fought and saw horrible things are wondering how am I gonna make it through today.
My grandfather saw his brother blown to bits beside him in WWII. His mother blamed him directly for that. He was a dark a-hole of an alcoholic for most of the rest of his life. The impact of that war decades ago to just 1 person has spider-webbed out through my extended family. I now teach an 8 year old who wants desperately to be a soldier…and I kind of don’t know what to say.
Also tell him that there will never be a stupider push in the history of wars ever again. Not saying there won’t be equal violence or whatever and that the US could’ve avoided D day but if you just look at it objectively now it’s literally the first couple waves just marching to there death with the generals back home knowing that a shit load of troops are just gonna get obliterated and that the mission is just keep sending soldiers until they break through constant gunfire and bomb lines
My father was deployed during Vietnam-Cambodia war. When I was a kid, I often saw him sat alone, smoked a cigarette and played sad guitar songs. Even now I wonder what did he think at those moments.
Most times? 27 years in a combat MOS and everytime that I have ever been asked 'what is it like ' it's just simply indescribable. Like the young marine said, ' you're asking each other did you see that ?' You ask because nothing you see smell or hear makes sense to you. Learning to learn to live in that environment and then returning home..... What else is there to say !?! We were never meant to experience war. It's going to damage you in ways you can never imagine If you would have asked me to frame that 4 years ago while I was still active duty, I couldn't have I had yet to begin to experience any of those things. I was too busy being a RANGER .
@James Estelle Its a must. I don't know what the current data is, it was something like 17 vets died from suicide every day. So anything in that direction is a must. We need so much more.
My dad was a Vietnam vet, two tours as a Chinook helicopter door gunner, clearing LZs with an M60 all day. Survived a helicopter crash when a slingload his CH-47 was carrying hit a hill, got a huge gash on his stomach and had to stitch himself up immediately after the crash. He stayed in the Army basically his entire life and was an E-9 CSM (Command Sergeant Major) when he died. He seemed normal to the outside world, but he had the worst temper in the world at home. Certain things would trigger him and he'd "snap" and go psycho. He almost took my head off with a shovel once, we were doing yard work. I surprised him, approached him from behind while he was focused on something in front of him without announcing myself. Good thing I was a boxer and had fast reflexes, because if I didn't duck reflexively when he immediately swung that shovel at my head I'd probably be dead or a vegetable. My dad was a great man, taught me a lot about life but I also feared him, he was intense. He was a Drill Sergeant for years before reaching the higher enlisted ranks, so he had a voice that could freeze your blood cold and the temper to match. When I was a young dumb kid, around 5-6 years old, I asked him "Did you ever kill anyone in Vietnam dad?" while we were riding in the car. I'll never forget how he looked at me out the side of his narrowed eyes. There was a long pause, so long I thought he wasn't going to answer me. Then he replied in a calm but VERY serious voice: "...There are certain questions you don't just go around asking people boy." and I instantly shut up and we rode the rest of the way in silence.
And it’s looking more & more like the people responsible - namely Dick Cheney, a few of his buddies at CIA & Rumsfeld (deceased) to name a few- will be getting off Scott free!
"Denial is the enemy." No truer words. Get the assistance you need and deserve. Help is NOT, repeat, NOT, a sign of weakness. We don't do it alone in combat and we can't do it alone after.
@@KarmasAbutchIt's quite funny how u put things up. Getting conscience & empathy after the fact is laughable 🤣🤣🤣. U all go to war over a lie. These soldiers got what they deserved. Everybody cry a river for these soldiers, nobody cared about the 1 million d€ad Iraqis thanks to people like them. Not an ounce of sympathy should go to them
Saying that just makes those who didn’t experienced PTSD feel like shit. Most soldiers do not despite how common it can be. I would suggest not saying this in the future
My Grandpa was a Marine back in Korea, and I always looked up to him for what he did for our Country. I wanted to be like him, I almost joined the Marines right out of high school back in 1999, but my Grandpa told me that if I stayed home that he would cover all my college expenses. I never did join the Marines, instead I did two years at Pensacola Christian College and two years at Rogue Community College, and here I am 20 years later as a Paramedic in Medford, Oregon. My Grandpa saved my life, his actions kept me out of harm's way. My thoughts and prayers go out to all those affected by this bogus War.
@scottanderson6418 I did enough shrooms to last a lifetime...😂. I'm a hippy with hair down to my azz...😂. I keep a good supply of Cannibas with me. Legal where I live.
If soldiers are psychologically affected at this level by war, imagine civilians caught in It, losing loved ones (children, parents, siblings, etc),their jobs/businesses, their homes; specially weak civilians such as children, elderly, women,etc. In Iraq,Syria,etc; all those wartorn countries have millions of children that grew up with PTSD and they don't receive any help because their countries are just starting rebuilding everything from 0 after the war, with a health system in shambles. The politicians that started this wars are still alive living their lifes as if anything happened.
They thought them breaking into just random innocent civilians homes and killing women and children wouldn’t effect them cus at the time they thought they were tough.. They chose to go and participate in destroying another country the Afghan or IRAQI people were defending there land just like Americans would defend there land if they were invaded
Thank u. Finally someone said this. I dont give an F about some soldiers. I am sure u r not American because Americans always view themselves as victims
@@kidneytransplant2843 So why should we care about people who proudly join the army wanting to go to war but come back regretting everything? us westerners invaded their country...every western soldier who complains of PTSD brought it upon him or herself...fuck em! The people of Iraq however, excluding the taliban.....
I deployed to Afghanistan in 2012-13 to the Panjwai District in Kandahar as an Infantry Line Medic. I got out of the Army in 2015 with mental problems I didn't understand. I didn't seek treatment until 2017 after 2 suicide attempts. My mother begged me to get help and I finally listened. The stigma of mental illness when you are on active duty is very real. You suck it up and carry on. Since seeking treatment and taking the proper meds I am so much better. I hope anyone with PTSD or these other mental problems seek help, it is worth it.
Also art therapy is very beneficial for the vets. Many of the vet patients love meeting with an art therapist outside of the VA network and do one on one session.
It has been prevalent for 1000s of years and for 1000s of years its been ignored. The kings, emperors, caliphs, dukes and politicians have NEVER CARED about the soldiers they send to war or the consequences that it causes. They look at the win-loss columns and territory they gained or lost and nothing more.
Why would anyone think these brave men and women wouldn't have issues, seeing the things they've seen?. Soldier or not they are human beings,God bless all of them.
Brave? Bullies are cowards. They went there with powerful tools and had the backing of 40 other NATO mass murdering nations against a weak impoverished opponent. And what they did to their prisoners is beyond imaginable.
"Cowardice" should never be used against a soldier currently serving, especially one who has sought mental health help. Considering the backlash Andrew suffered, it seems pretty brave.
I think cowardice SHOULD STAY on the table in the Military. There ARE those who DO commit acts of "cowardice" . I just believe the "brass" should HAVE TO look into it EXTENSIVELY before being able to charge a Soldier, Sailor Airman or Marine with that charge. BTW, dont take offense about me using words in "caps". I just think it gets my opinion across the way I am thinking or speaking it.
@@fridaywithmateobonus2477 in that case , yes, definitely a training issue.. I've personally seen that type of situation in Afghanistan. That's another soldier that shouldn't be charged. I'm just saying, there ARE acts of actual "cowardice". Though far and few between.
One thing they won’t tell you is that during the Great War ,ww1, some soldiers came to the breaking point in battle and got out of the trenches and ran into the enemies guns because they couldn’t take it anymore. I had to learn about that from the British. This country won’t tell you about things like that. Whatever that is , it is not cowardice .
When the soldier said "the women tried to reach the white flag after she was gunned down" . I was in tears, OMG that's one hell of scar ,which will haunt forever.
@@friedrichkoenig3901 yeah i cried mainly for that women. But that soldiers confession showed he was just sympathetic as us. Considering their situation , suicide bombers are major threat there.
I did 2 tours in Somalia during Kenya-Somalia war and i understand. I came back, left the army and tried adjusting to the civilian life. It is said a soldier may leave the battlefield, but carries the war home. My family broke up, I drank more and more. PTSD is real and soldiers should be helped. I really hate the army and none of my kid will ever join the army. I fought and suffered for them and multiple generations to come from my lineage
These guys and girls that put these stories together are real journalists . I watched this in 2005 and watched it again today , and just breaks my heart .
If you're struggling with PTSD or other mental health issues please get help. Don't bottle of up and keep it to yourself. Never underestimate the power of talking to somebody you trust.
“Soldiers heart” is such an old term that was interesting to see as your title. Something that was written about in old histories of shell shock, panic disorder, in early psychology literature. These experiences damage both the mind and body. Not only in war but war is perhaps the most profoundly damaging. I’ve worked with combat veterans. It’s not something that humans are designed to withstand or participate in.
No. I actually get excited when they announce. I also love how the content is so enjoyable I can just listen like it’s a podcast most of the time. The financial crisis was a great one.
@@davidsawyer1599 fortunately they now have it on the screen for a bit in the beginning....ought to have it on screen whole time so ppl understand.....context matters - thanks for pointing it out to some who prolly didn't know 💪🇺🇸💪
Quality programs. These take time to produce high-quality work. Frontline has been doing great work and thus informing us, not the news, but the news behind the news; not just what happened, but also why it happened and continues to happen. Make us think critically about our roles and actions.
The part where they revealed Jeff's suicide caught me off guard somewhat. It made me cry. So sad to know there are so many other service members who have suffered the same fate. God Bless our troops.
@@jubairomar2676 uhhhhhhhhh I do feel bad for victims of war but this documentary is about the soldiers. Why are you so mad at me for? These soldiers didn't decide what to do. They followed orders. I think the wars were pretty stupid but yet they happened. Not the soldiers fault.
@@hulioo4637 woah edgelord over here. Sorry your mommy and daddy didn’t show you attention so now you just need to lash out against the soldierrrs, MAAAAN.
My best friend/neighborhood was infantryman in Marines, did 3 tours in the middle east. This was around 2009-2013. He would be 34 years old this November, if he was still with us. Sadly took his own life about a year after coming home. We lived and worked together when he got back, he must have had PTSD or something, I remember he would only sleep while I was awake, he would randomly puke or throw up or start to gag. He always kept his shoes on, always had a loaded pistol with him, kept a loaded combat shotgun Mossberg in his back seat (the one he blew his head off with), he came back dependant on opiates which he said many people get dependant on over there, he said the locals would trade them opium for things like cigarettes food drinks candy playing cards etc... He also didn't talk much to other people and would just stare into space alot. It was sad.
How is it that every other part of our body is allowed to get sick, but not our brain? No one in their right mind would order someone with a broken leg to make a splint and walk it off. The way PTSD is seen and not treated as serious illness is disgusting.
In 2015 the Death Penalty Information Centre stated that “at least 10% of the current death row-that is, over 300 inmates-are military veterans. Many others have already been executed.” I've no doubt that undiagnosed or untreated PTSD has a big part to play here.
I hope the Sergeant who explained that refusing the order, realising he needed help and asking for it was seen as weakness, knows now that what he did actually took incredible strength, courage & self awareness.
My fiancé named Luis V. served in Iraq as well. He's a specialist. He missed his combat friend who died in a car accident when they got out of the army. The only thing my fiancé is sensitive about is hearing a stuff that has been slammed. And he's outlet for his PTSD is playing online games which i support him.
@@08StellaSays the person with complete anonymity, sitting behind a screen writing this on a keyboard or phone😂 Its pathetic how you people act on here compared to real life.
@@ocatazzip124 Not sure what you mean... like you are sitting behind the screen ridiculing what YOU THOUGHT I had said? Is that what you mean with "you people act on here"? I said it in a decent manner and would say it in real life too. Look up any serious issue how ppl deal with it (drinking, smoking, gambling, shopaholics, alcoholics, drug users, overeaters, overworking, underachievers... ) and you'll see I didn't say anything wrong. We are all in the same group. We distract ourselves from the real issues, emotions that we don't want to feel. Only the TOOL is different. This is a serious issue, I am not the one with a smiley in my comment. Not nice at all...
Absolutely superb. Reminder that even soldiers r normal human beings who are courageous and fragile at the same time. They have witnessed so much horror.
When you talk about Shell shock and the pussification with the wording of the condition, it reminds of a lot of George Carlin's had to say about the subject.. Which I always took to heart, bless you for bringing it up
I watch this for the first time with tears, I was born in 1949 in HongKong. My late father was captured by Japanese army when he was doing business in China.He was in the Hainan camp, he was kept alive because he knew how to drive a truck. after the war ended he came have and stared family and business. Business fail and he have mental illness. the family through he was lazy. There was no PTSD at those days.I was raised by my god parents. my god mother is my moms good friend. My God father was a soldier fought the Jepenese. He talk a lot about the war at dinner time after drinking the rice wine my god mother made.. I was he only audience. Because my god mother alway rolled her eyes and said he told the same story. All this years I believed he fought for the KMT ( Chiang Kai Shek ) because he alway said what a hero-appearance he had on the house. the 3 thing he repeated and repeated was the big scare on he forehead and the only medicine the soldiers had was garlice and how their used the stews to fixed their shoes when they march. I was young but I just assume the soldiers wore leather boots. sometime I rolled my eyes with my godmother too thinking that he was BS. No until the lock down I had time to watch the history RUclips, and I saw the Moa soldiers wearing sandals or even No shoes. and because the Moa's soldiers got chased and killed by the real soldiers.I stared to realized and cried many time while I was watching those RUclips. Even my god father was hiding the fact that he was the Moa's solider ( it was dangerous at that time ) but when h e talk about how the villager willing to risk their own life to help them. His eyes lifted up and I know he was so proud. He never talk bad about other soldiers Because all soldiers are frighting for the same reason . and it was the commandos that they trust keep them frighting the evil force with they highest integrity... their life. No any pills and Therery can replace the Integrity and respect from their own hearts. I sing Ave Maria everyday as my prayer to all service. There are no different why they put their lives into the course.
In Canada we have lost more of our soldiers to suicide after coming home then those who died in Afghanistan. It is shameful how we leave so many of them to rot .
Exactly what happens when you torture prisoners, desecrate Qur'an (look up the recent reports regarding by BBC/Al jazeera) bully the weak and unarmed kill civilians.
That’s interesting to hear coming from being an American soldier bc we have had very similar numbers. 22 a day for last few years. Makes it seem more normal hearing other countries similar to us have them same issues.
@@jubairomar2676 that’s funny bc what I saw was the taliban torturing pow’s, civilians, Christians, raping little boys, making women suicide bombers, hiding behind the civilians so they accidentally get shot, and using their religion as a shield bc they know we won’t attack mosque or during prayer etc.
@@alaskayoung3413 You didn't see what you're claiming. You're a liar. And Christians don't live in Afghanistan 😂😂 the "raping of boys" was done in US controlled area overseen by US military. Torture is your thing, Trump got voted in power after pledging to bring back harsher torture methods, Obama admitted to torturing people. And you dropped hundreds of bombs on mosques, graves, schools, hospitals, markets and weddings in Afghanistan. You're a terrible liar.
My grandfather was suicidal, starting about twenty five years after he came back from Japan. He fought them in SE Asia and then was part of the occupation forces there for a few years, going into Nagasaki shortly after the bomb was dropped there to clean up. He took photos and saw some horrific stuff. All his PTSD was self directed but my dad said the one time he remembered my grandfather hitting him (and my uncle) was when they found those photos under the house. He did tell my dad about all the business deals being made after the war and that did affect my view of what was really going on in the M.E.
I struggle with PTSD not from war, (I never served in the military,) but from various childhood traumas; these have also resulted in my struggling with depression and anxiety, and I only started getting help in the summer of 2019 when I was 29. Please, please reach out; doing so doesn't make you weak but rather, it actually does the exact opposite. It takes a lot of strength and courage to reach out for help, but it's better to do that than to suffer in silence.
My Great-grandfather knew about this problem. He apologized to me when I was an adult and explained that it was part of the cost we all paid and continue paying for our part in the last centuries global wars. He participated in both. It blew my mind to find it only starting to be covered and actually disputed! In the nineties. Terrible shame.
This is really good. Heartbreaking and illuminating. It's sad in our country the folks who are made to suffer and lose for the "winners" and rich people to get what they want.
My grandfather fought in Korea, earned a Purple Heart and saw a lot that I was too young to hear at the time. Unfortunately he passed and I got to hear from my father what he had seen, I still for the life of me don’t know how he became such an amazing grandfather, my father told me he was a much different dad, had issues with traumatic stress, and was very angry. I only knew him as the smiling, joking man filled with outrageous humor and a love for life. He’s a hero, and I like to believe his family really helped him feel he deserved to be around, and didn’t have to feel guilt or sadness for what he had.
Took me 20 odd yrs to admit I had a problem . Cost me job and my marriage. For God's sake ...... ASK !!! You are NEVER alone The guys who had yr back then will still have your back now !!
Hearing all of this makes me even more grateful that I decided NOT to join the military when I was young. I'd always suspected that it was a cruel and ignorant organization with a culture that didn't value its personnel. My father told me stories of how threatened he and his fellow airmen were by the Air Force during his service in the Vietnam War. I've also heard that the modern Marines treat their people the worst and see their lives as very cheap, in and out of combat (from Terrence Popp - on RUclips if you want to hear from him about this). The most sickening part of this issue is how the 'macho' culture is present in civilian life as well, with an incredible parallel stigma toward and ignorance of mental illness in American society. You can clearly see why we have such a high level of veteran suicides in the country right now - a culture of condemnation and ridicule combined with a gross ignorance of the nature of mental illness derived from trauma. I just thank God there are some professionals out there (like Grossman and the psychologists) that understand the problem clearly and can educate those of us who are willing to learn.
I think you should do a little homework on Dave Grossman (who is indeed a gross man) before you send that piece of literal human fecal matter any praise.
I did two tours in Iraq I'm 60 years old now and still dealing with pstd, my wife left me because of my anger that I didn't have before my second tour, what keeps me grounded is that I have custody of my son I will never allow him to join the marines as I did. But God is good I'm much better than I used to be.
I pissed but I direct at how deserves it, It's not you or your family, it's the government hiring people from India to work at the VA, iam used to death seen alot n I wasn't in your combat, You don't kill 1 cow, you kill the whole herd, mad cow disease its in the VA.
@@Dustinwhy8 Agree 100% ! I was barely past 17 when I joined, out at 20 ! If war happens I had nothing to do with that decision...serving does NOT always mean killing, but with evil out there we MUST have a military
@@puppiesgoarf664 Some of them had no other choice if they wanted to have a chance at a decent life with a decent education, some of them joined out of a sense of patriotism and duty to their country, some of them signed up to kill, most of them were lied to from a young age, not a single man feeding the war machine expects to be chewed up and shred to pieces by it, war is declared by old men, and fought by the young.
@@puppiesgoarf664 These people are not psychopaths. That's the reason they suffer after coming home. These men are patriots and believe they are serving their country.
It is no wonder that less than 1 percent of the population serves in the US military. Most young people and their families don’t want this trauma fighting in unwinnable and unending wars against terrorism.
It's all about money and power , it's not about freedom (free-Dumb) or democracy, all that patriotism is bullshit , the u.s a warmonger state ( president einsehower warn about military industrial complex) Just like Mexico 🇲🇽 is a Narco state , just like the war in drugs has always been bullshit , it's money money ,money , and to incarcerated people of color , there is a reason why the majority of people of color are incarcerated and the whites are the minority
@@yannick245 There are around 19 million U.S. veterans according the Department of Veterans Affairs, representing approx 7.5% of the U.S. adult population.
I do have PTSD myself and I’m no coward and that was cowardly act! no buddy like to die in war but what did he think was going to happen when you sign up🤡
Outstanding documentary 👏 👌 i suffer PTSD, not from combat experience...........but mine from a emergency hospitalisation where i died twice and spent 9 weeks in ITU......the drugs and experience realky warped my mind so i can only pray for these people who suffer.....god bless you all and good luck.........
It’s not just the military at faulty: WWI soldier Frisby Anderson was my grandfather’s brother. He lived at the VA in Montrose NY, from 1926 until he died in 1978, he was “shell shocked” His own family didn’t want him he was so disgraced, yet he lived a long, long time. He still accepts prayers and bestows blessings, FYI
I saw my buddy get pinned in between the wall and a k-loader. He didn't make it. I wasn't able to speak on it until recently with the help of the VA. It has most definitely traumatized me beyond repair. My buddy lost his life...and I've pretty much lost mine. Only difference is I'm still breathing...damn.
I'm sorry to hear that, horrible accident. Your not alone man don't be afraid to ask for help if you need to talk to someone. It's heartbreaking when we lose troops to enemy fire but even worse when it's friendly or accidental. Keep your head high and like I mentioned reach out to your va or vet crisis line if you need help..don't keep it inside it will tear you up if you do.
They chose to go and participate in destroying another country the Afghan or IRAQI people were defending there land just like Americans would defend there land if they were invaded
@AnuragSingh-hi9ly India uses tons of oil too and benefits from the global security that our military provides. The U.S. obtained no oil in the Iraq War. The new government got it and Afghanistan has no oil.
I remember a Star Trek TNG episode. A planet enhanced and trained some soldiers to fight a war. They won the war. The leaders then locked up the former soldiers in a large supermax prison because the soldiers could no longer function in a peaceful society. The former soldiers escaped and made a visit to the leaders of the planet. Picard and the Enterprise left the planet and encouraged the leaders to help not imprison the former soldiers. We need to do more to help our veterans especially the ones who have been in combat.
I would be GUT WRENCHED to hear people tell me thank u for your service.. know the truth behind it all is horrible to all the innocent people lives lost.
Hats off to PBS frontline to take up such a sensitive subject , in India today if you make this kind of documentary you will be branded as anti-national for sure .
Real good program..Some many good people suffer .You could be tough as nails ,and then some little thing sticks in your brain and won't leave you alone.
We turn young men and women into weapons, send them to do and see horrible things, and expect them to come home to readapt to peacetime life......22 a day.........22 a day. The wars never end for any soldier who has been in combat.
Still living with PTSD (from mid 90s). Screw the ignorant. Get help and improve your life. Be selfish…you are worth it! Reach out, you have family out here who truly understand. It can get better…
The mental fight us combat veterans bring back with us is immense to say the least. Seeing what we saw, doing what we did in 🇮🇶 and 🇦🇫, there needs to be extensive de-briefing not just of the mission, but of ones mind, ongoing mental therapy and treatment for PTSD within the mob. Until the mob take responsibility for the state of mind of returning SOLDIERS and get proactive, this ongoing situation of combat PTSD will continue to haunt veterans, causing homelessness, broken relationships, suicides and felonies. We signed up to serve and protect, the mob should pay us back respectively. OAFAAF.
It’s so crazy to think about the fact that it was common practice, not long ago, to execute fellow soldiers tormented by war fatigue. Making it even crazier is the fact that WW1 was an extremely violent and deadly war. Most troops cracked under the constant threat of artillery landing all around you. They would constantly hear the shells falling and never knew where it would land. Anyone who doesn’t crack from that type of threat is an exception. And not to mention the trench warfare. I am by no means saying war today isn’t terrible, it’s just a different type of war. Today they have the constant threat of IED’s and suicide bombers. And when your surrounded by a civilian population where they look no different then the enemy, that must be similar to fearing artillery dropping down. You never know when it might happen. God bless our soldiers, past and present. Your sacrifices help protect our way of living here at home and without it we wouldn’t survive. Thank you all.
I’ve know ww2 vets that have told me about the readjustment camps that were mandatory when they returned from combat. It was about 2 months long. It gave them a chance to get past all the death and destruction and be able to pick up their lives again. The Government already knows about this . But they denied the Viet Nam vets that service, and all vets since then . They would rather let them have problems and opt for an image of a soldier that can do anything without being affected like a normal human. Nobody can do the impossible except the Creator. If our country would help our returning vets, it would show the world our humanity instead of our interest in forging the perfect soldier. Equal treatment for equal humanity.
As a Canadian I served in Kandahar in 2007. All Canadian troops left the battle field and your first stop was Cyprus for 4 days to receive debriefs and health meetings. It was sort of helpful, but mostly just a drunk fest and lots of fist fights due to issues that happened on operations. The real issues creep up when you least expect it…..
5:29 Those bald guys with glass eyes is Memo Mata (He served two tours in Afghanistan in 2001 & 2004) Now living peacefully with his family in Beijing,China’s as the international principal at private school.
@@jubairomar2676 oh shut up. They were backed by Russia. AND the Mujahedeen compensated the families of fallen soldiers. To call them an impoverished group is outright disrespectful to the countless of elite trained jihadists who lost their lives to these legal terrorists with nothing more than a gun license, determine who has the right to kill.
@@jubairomar2676 my apologies. The USSR. How? Only with the biggest military supplies, equipment and advisors that it had ever given to any other country. Shall we go down this road?
My cousin was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm so proud of him for serving. I have ptsd from childhood trauma. Please, don't hesitate to seek help!
And the things I heard from some of these men- including older men who had fought in WW2- they were so bad that these people were haunted for their entire lives- usually due to things that they themselves had done in the fog and delusion of war. These were not bad men. They were regular and fundamentally decent people- but in war their good intentions and humanity were hijacked in ways that are normally incomprehensible to anyone in normal life. They did things there that they never would have normally done. Then they went home and there was no reconciling the ways in which they’d acted with who they thought they were. It’s a hell I wouldn’t wish on any human being- despite their wrong actions. These men and boys were hijacked by something bigger than them as individuals and profoundly evil.
I was no soldier in Afghanistan. But I was in Afghanistan beginning 2002 before troops was in. I saw so horrible things I cant describe with words. Me too needed 6 month to ask for help. Today after nearly 20 years still have flashbacks. Afghanistan that time was really how I think hell looks like.
@@OmmerSyssel Dont know ? But what I think is, after Afghanistan beginning 2002 and our troups was not in, and PTBS and other injuries. War experiences change each character and mentality this I can say for sure. Now I live since 6 years in Indonesia, and are married here, majority Muslims, about 85 %. But totally different Muslims, much more tolerant than the Afghans. I think we cant say, its so and so, when Muslim rule ? Or so and so when Christians rule ? Or so and so when Hindu rule, etc etc. ? My experience is we have to look at the country and people and history ? And sure Afghanistan is since 1979 in war, that create special people, 23 years war when I gone in. And war, this I can say, bring out our worst side of character and mentality. Its simply you or me survive........
They thought them breaking into just random innocent civilians homes and killing women and children wouldn’t effect them cus at the time they thought they were tough.. They chose to go and participate in destroying another country the Afghan or IRAQI people were defending there land just like Americans would defend there land if they were invaded
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I’m a former Marine that served in Desert Storm.
I have absolutely forbidden my teenage son from military service.
Smart move
Good call Sir. That's at least one man saved.👍
sir what is your call on the current stance of your country
Don't let him move out 👍
Did u r$ped anybody while u were stationed there?
Im a train conductor, a couple days ago . My engineer was a vet. A MP who spend 2009/2010 in Afghanistan. The storys he told me. He told me his whole military career..i was fascinated by it. It was really cool. Man we gotta take better care of our vets.
PTSD doesn't have to be full blown events either. It can be little changes that quietly effects the individual for a lifetime. In the end we are never really the same as much as we try and continue what society deems a normal life. While celebrities and athletes are put on a pedestal wondering how many millions they will make playing a game or acting, the people who fought and saw horrible things are wondering how am I gonna make it through today.
My grandfather saw his brother blown to bits beside him in WWII. His mother blamed him directly for that. He was a dark a-hole of an alcoholic for most of the rest of his life. The impact of that war decades ago to just 1 person has spider-webbed out through my extended family. I now teach an 8 year old who wants desperately to be a soldier…and I kind of don’t know what to say.
wait until he gets older and show him this if you haven’t already for him to get a better understand of the aftermath of combat
Yeah when his older tell him about your grandfather and the experiences of many other soldiers, especially those of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Also tell him that there will never be a stupider push in the history of wars ever again. Not saying there won’t be equal violence or whatever and that the US could’ve avoided D day but if you just look at it objectively now it’s literally the first couple waves just marching to there death with the generals back home knowing that a shit load of troops are just gonna get obliterated and that the mission is just keep sending soldiers until they break through constant gunfire and bomb lines
Tell him that there are other ways to honorably serve your country and be a good man beyond doing whatever whim our elite deems to be important.
Tell him not to wtf you mean you don’t know what to say?
My father was deployed during Vietnam-Cambodia war. When I was a kid, I often saw him sat alone, smoked a cigarette and played sad guitar songs. Even now I wonder what did he think at those moments.
There are some things that are never discussed in no small part because sometimes, words fail....
Most times? 27 years in a combat MOS and everytime that I have ever been asked 'what is it like ' it's just simply indescribable. Like the young marine said, ' you're asking each other did you see that ?' You ask because nothing you see smell or hear makes sense to you. Learning to learn to live in that environment and then returning home.....
What else is there to say !?! We were never meant to experience war. It's going to damage you in ways you can never imagine
If you would have asked me to frame that 4 years ago while I was still active duty, I couldn't have
I had yet to begin to experience any of those things.
I was too busy being a RANGER .
@James Estelle Its a must. I don't know what the current data is, it was something like 17 vets died from suicide every day. So anything in that direction is a must. We need so much more.
My dad was a Vietnam vet, two tours as a Chinook helicopter door gunner, clearing LZs with an M60 all day. Survived a helicopter crash when a slingload his CH-47 was carrying hit a hill, got a huge gash on his stomach and had to stitch himself up immediately after the crash. He stayed in the Army basically his entire life and was an E-9 CSM (Command Sergeant Major) when he died. He seemed normal to the outside world, but he had the worst temper in the world at home. Certain things would trigger him and he'd "snap" and go psycho.
He almost took my head off with a shovel once, we were doing yard work. I surprised him, approached him from behind while he was focused on something in front of him without announcing myself. Good thing I was a boxer and had fast reflexes, because if I didn't duck reflexively when he immediately swung that shovel at my head I'd probably be dead or a vegetable. My dad was a great man, taught me a lot about life but I also feared him, he was intense. He was a Drill Sergeant for years before reaching the higher enlisted ranks, so he had a voice that could freeze your blood cold and the temper to match.
When I was a young dumb kid, around 5-6 years old, I asked him "Did you ever kill anyone in Vietnam dad?" while we were riding in the car. I'll never forget how he looked at me out the side of his narrowed eyes. There was a long pause, so long I thought he wasn't going to answer me. Then he replied in a calm but VERY serious voice: "...There are certain questions you don't just go around asking people boy." and I instantly shut up and we rode the rest of the way in silence.
He's a hero to me
And here we are 15 years later and nothing has changed.
It's atleast 10 times worse and I mean this with all my heart
Act a lot changed but for the worse
… We all believe the lie that was sold to us by men in suits with a hidden agenda , one day I pray that fucking bush and his friends get justice
And it’s looking more & more like the people responsible - namely Dick Cheney, a few of his buddies at CIA & Rumsfeld (deceased) to name a few- will be getting off Scott free!
Actually 100's of years later. Deplorable.
My new must-see-tv are Frontline documentary's. Good old fashioned journalism.
Absolutely agree. This is gold.
@Ashley Supertramp 🤡🤡🤡
Remembering watching Frontline with my father when I was a teen, I’m now 50. Always has been a insightful broadcast.
And from what ive seen with them its totally unbiased journalism as well. Thats a quality most media have lost their integrity in.
@@tonysylvester3349 it really isnt unbiased which is hard to notice unless you're knowledgeable on the topic at hand
"Denial is the enemy." No truer words. Get the assistance you need and deserve. Help is NOT, repeat, NOT, a sign of weakness. We don't do it alone in combat and we can't do it alone after.
Wow ! Your last sentence is a profoundly practical statement ! 👍👍
Makes total sense .
Did you let the VA in on this… cuz they are leaving us hanging…
Yea
Thank you for your service and sacrifices for our country. 🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲
I totally agree with your statement.
@@stinkfist4205 Thank You for your service and sacrifices for our country as well. 🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲
PTSD is indicative of ones humanity. Experiencing those kinds of things SHOULD be devastating. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
This is true 💯 people who lack a conscience or empathy do not develop ptsd.
Psychopaths do not get PTSD
@@KarmasAbutchIt's quite funny how u put things up. Getting conscience & empathy after the fact is laughable 🤣🤣🤣. U all go to war over a lie. These soldiers got what they deserved. Everybody cry a river for these soldiers, nobody cared about the 1 million d€ad Iraqis thanks to people like them. Not an ounce of sympathy should go to them
@@KarmasAbutch So you are saying Army = PTSD unless you're a psychopath? stupid.
Saying that just makes those who didn’t experienced PTSD feel like shit. Most soldiers do not despite how common it can be. I would suggest not saying this in the future
@@tapesock1387Less than 15% of Veterans have ever seen a shot fired in anger. If those folks would like a word, I'd be happy to listen to them.
My Grandpa was a Marine back in Korea, and I always looked up to him for what he did for our Country. I wanted to be like him, I almost joined the Marines right out of high school back in 1999, but my Grandpa told me that if I stayed home that he would cover all my college expenses. I never did join the Marines, instead I did two years at Pensacola Christian College and two years at Rogue Community College, and here I am 20 years later as a Paramedic in Medford, Oregon. My Grandpa saved my life, his actions kept me out of harm's way.
My thoughts and prayers go out to all those affected by this bogus War.
COWARD!!!
Wow you would’ve been in Iraq after 9/11
From one Ambo driver to a fellow ambo driver, well done mate for deciding to help people as a para
“Almost joined” 😂🖕
He did fuck all for our country tho?
When it comes to documentaries, there ain't nobody who can put their foot where Frontline foot's put. On another level.
💯
I concur
frontline of 2005 was much better than the watered down frontline of 2020.
Absolutely the best journalism today is Frontline and PBS
Your comment sounds like a tongue twister 😛 👍
I'm 70% disabled for PTSD. The C&P exam was painful but the help I am getting now was worth it.
@scottanderson6418 I did enough shrooms to last a lifetime...😂. I'm a hippy with hair down to my azz...😂. I keep a good supply of Cannibas with me. Legal where I live.
I'm going through 3 psychologists and 1 therapist... the VA can't figure out which broken I am, lol 😂😂😂
Serves you right.😂
@@redbaron9029 huh?
you're not broken brother@@TheSushiandme
That voice is legendary.
I grew up with listening documentaries with the narrator voice
I believe his name is Will Lyman
Narrator. Yes. A story is only as great as the voice that tells it.
@@blackmediawiki1988
The very best!
Ted Copel maybe?!🤔
@@Fluke_Starbucker
Yes, he is also great!
But, it is Ted Coppel!
If soldiers are psychologically affected at this level by war, imagine civilians caught in It, losing loved ones (children, parents, siblings, etc),their jobs/businesses, their homes; specially weak civilians such as children, elderly, women,etc. In Iraq,Syria,etc; all those wartorn countries have millions of children that grew up with PTSD and they don't receive any help because their countries are just starting rebuilding everything from 0 after the war, with a health system in shambles.
The politicians that started this wars are still alive living their lifes as if anything happened.
They thought them breaking into just random innocent civilians homes and killing women and children wouldn’t effect them cus at the time they thought they were tough.. They chose to go and participate in destroying another country the Afghan or IRAQI people were defending there land just like Americans would defend there land if they were invaded
Thank u. Finally someone said this. I dont give an F about some soldiers. I am sure u r not American because Americans always view themselves as victims
When the best documentary channel offers their content for free..... amazing
I often wonder about the PTSD the Iraqis have gone through.. would anyone even care
No
Me too..
And about caring.. People barely care here in the US, God knows how worse it is for the others
@@kidneytransplant2843 So why should we care about people who proudly join the army wanting to go to war but come back regretting everything? us westerners invaded their country...every western soldier who complains of PTSD brought it upon him or herself...fuck em! The people of Iraq however, excluding the taliban.....
I care. It is ridiculous that people only care about one group of people
Poor Iraqis. My heart goes out to those beautiful people who had to have their country invaded, tortured and killed - heartbreak 💔
Yea
One of the BEST DAMN DOCUMENTARIES I have EVER seen since I came home in 2010!!!!
I'm glad you made it back, Joey. Thank you for doing a tough job for all of us.
One finds oneself silently exclaim - 'That could have been me' ! 💀🇺🇸
Thank you Sir. God bless you ALL 🙏
Thank you for your service Joey 🇺🇸
When someone takes the time to write a "Thank You" in a comment, you know it's Genuine !!!!
THANK YOU!!!
If Afghans or Iraqis, etc had made a film like this it’d be a completely different story.
This
Would be nice to see how war and conflict affects others
Guess you'd have to infiltrate some pretty offended groups which is no easy task
This comment is so fcking true. Noone wins in war
I deployed to Afghanistan in 2012-13 to the Panjwai District in Kandahar as an Infantry Line Medic. I got out of the Army in 2015 with mental problems I didn't understand. I didn't seek treatment until 2017 after 2 suicide attempts. My mother begged me to get help and I finally listened. The stigma of mental illness when you are on active duty is very real. You suck it up and carry on. Since seeking treatment and taking the proper meds I am so much better. I hope anyone with PTSD or these other mental problems seek help, it is worth it.
Thank you for your service, brother. Praiyng for you!
third times a charm
You had no business going there
Thank you for your service ❤
Also art therapy is very beneficial for the vets. Many of the vet patients love meeting with an art therapist outside of the VA network and do one on one session.
Excellent documentary. PTSD is no joke. Continued healing to all military injured.
It has been prevalent for 1000s of years and for 1000s of years its been ignored. The kings, emperors, caliphs, dukes and politicians have NEVER CARED about the soldiers they send to war or the consequences that it causes. They look at the win-loss columns and territory they gained or lost and nothing more.
Don’t tell the Federal Government that. They just wanna steal our benefits.
the muslims WON
They will heal in hell soon ... Getting ptsd by killing children is a pretty bad ass thing
@@Soulaimane955 Maybe the children shouldn't have been fighting there in the first place.
Why would anyone think these brave men and women wouldn't have issues, seeing the things they've seen?. Soldier or not they are human beings,God bless all of them.
Brave? Bullies are cowards. They went there with powerful tools and had the backing of 40 other NATO mass murdering nations against a weak impoverished opponent. And what they did to their prisoners is beyond imaginable.
the muslims WON
@Strawberry’s Shortest cake Stupid and naïve maybe, but brave. Hell no.
@@user-nn5kk7gm8d you’re right. They’re stupid and naive. There nothing bravery about them
Seeing the things they’ve seen? Or you mean they’ve done? The things that caused them to have ptsd is from the things they’ve caused
Frontline is a work of excellence.
16 years later this documentary finds me just glad to be here.
"Cowardice" should never be used against a soldier currently serving, especially one who has sought mental health help. Considering the backlash Andrew suffered, it seems pretty brave.
Andrew is a good friend of mine ... top shelf human being!!!
I think cowardice SHOULD STAY on the table in the Military. There ARE those who DO commit acts of "cowardice" . I just believe the "brass" should HAVE TO look into it EXTENSIVELY before being able to charge a Soldier, Sailor Airman or Marine with that charge.
BTW, dont take offense about me using words in "caps". I just think it gets my opinion across the way I am thinking or speaking it.
@@joeyd.OEF.2010 The way I see it ... if a guy buckles under pressure ... it is a training deficit ... who trained the guy. Blame him. Leadership 101.
@@fridaywithmateobonus2477 in that case , yes, definitely a training issue.. I've personally seen that type of situation in Afghanistan. That's another soldier that shouldn't be charged.
I'm just saying, there ARE acts of actual "cowardice". Though far and few between.
@@joeyd.OEF.2010 mostly in ranks of 0-4 and above
One thing they won’t tell you is that during the Great War ,ww1, some soldiers came to the breaking point in battle and got out of the trenches and ran into the enemies guns because they couldn’t take it anymore. I had to learn about that from the British. This country won’t tell you about things like that.
Whatever that is , it is not cowardice .
I never knew that but it makes sense that it would happen. Thanks for the information.
Omg 😳😢
When the soldier said "the women tried to reach the white flag after she was gunned down" . I was in tears, OMG that's one hell of scar ,which will haunt forever.
shouldn't the pity and sympathy be for the innocent dead woman?
@@friedrichkoenig3901 yeah i cried mainly for that women. But that soldiers confession showed he was just sympathetic as us. Considering their situation , suicide bombers are major threat there.
She shouldn't have kept charging everyone pointing guns at her
Tears for both of them, both are victims of the government puppets and corporate interests ❤
@@bassheadlife492we should’ve have been there in the first place!
I did 2 tours in Somalia during Kenya-Somalia war and i understand. I came back, left the army and tried adjusting to the civilian life. It is said a soldier may leave the battlefield, but carries the war home. My family broke up, I drank more and more. PTSD is real and soldiers should be helped. I really hate the army and none of my kid will ever join the army. I fought and suffered for them and multiple generations to come from my lineage
blah blah blah
Thank you for your service Afande , some never came back home hope you got well
These guys and girls that put these stories together are real journalists . I watched this in 2005 and watched it again today , and just breaks my heart .
I'd rather be numb than scared... Man that hits home
It makes sense though. I think they call it disassociating.
If you're struggling with PTSD or other mental health issues please get help. Don't bottle of up and keep it to yourself.
Never underestimate the power of talking to somebody you trust.
“Soldiers heart” is such an old term that was interesting to see as your title. Something that was written about in old histories of shell shock, panic disorder, in early psychology literature. These experiences damage both the mind and body. Not only in war but war is perhaps the most profoundly damaging. I’ve worked with combat veterans. It’s not something that humans are designed to withstand or participate in.
Is it just me who is patiently waiting for these documentaries that seem to be taking forever to premier. Omg! Just run em like last week.
No. I actually get excited when they announce. I also love how the content is so enjoyable I can just listen like it’s a podcast most of the time. The financial crisis was a great one.
I am not trolling you. You realize that these last half dozen are old?
@@davidsawyer1599 fortunately they now have it on the screen for a bit in the beginning....ought to have it on screen whole time so ppl understand.....context matters - thanks for pointing it out to some who prolly didn't know 💪🇺🇸💪
What do you expect from the fake media
Quality programs. These take time to produce high-quality work. Frontline has been doing great work and thus informing us, not the news, but the news behind the news; not just what happened, but also why it happened and continues to happen. Make us think critically about our roles and actions.
The part where they revealed Jeff's suicide caught me off guard somewhat. It made me cry. So sad to know there are so many other service members who have suffered the same fate. God Bless our troops.
Yeah, you cried bullies killed themselves. Bully sympathiser. If you were a human being, you'd feel sorry for the victims.
@@jubairomar2676 uhhhhhhhhh I do feel bad for victims of war but this documentary is about the soldiers. Why are you so mad at me for? These soldiers didn't decide what to do. They followed orders. I think the wars were pretty stupid but yet they happened. Not the soldiers fault.
@@statesk8r blah blah blah
@@hulioo4637 woah edgelord over here. Sorry your mommy and daddy didn’t show you attention so now you just need to lash out against the soldierrrs, MAAAAN.
@@jubairomar2676 Yeah veterans fighting terrorism are bullies. What a load of bs.
As a veteran with ptsd and being a retired sfc I know for a fact that so much stigma is around seeking help for mind and body.
I hope you suffer a lifetime for committing war crimes.
Plz seek help if u haven't. They don't report it now. My husband sadly took his life. Iraqi Veteran. 2 hours. 😢
My best friend/neighborhood was infantryman in Marines, did 3 tours in the middle east. This was around 2009-2013. He would be 34 years old this November, if he was still with us. Sadly took his own life about a year after coming home. We lived and worked together when he got back, he must have had PTSD or something, I remember he would only sleep while I was awake, he would randomly puke or throw up or start to gag. He always kept his shoes on, always had a loaded pistol with him, kept a loaded combat shotgun Mossberg in his back seat (the one he blew his head off with), he came back dependant on opiates which he said many people get dependant on over there, he said the locals would trade them opium for things like cigarettes food drinks candy playing cards etc... He also didn't talk much to other people and would just stare into space alot. It was sad.
@@TheNewYorkiethink she meant 2 tours.
Killing innocent people, torturing, killing women and children and wondering why you got PTSD. It’s the justice 🙄
How is it that every other part of our body is allowed to get sick, but not our brain? No one in their right mind would order someone with a broken leg to make a splint and walk it off. The way PTSD is seen and not treated as serious illness is disgusting.
In 2015 the Death Penalty Information Centre stated that “at least 10% of the current death row-that is, over 300 inmates-are military veterans. Many others have already been executed.” I've no doubt that undiagnosed or untreated PTSD has a big part to play here.
Thank you frontline, for all that you do.
This really sheds light on what happens to so many of our vets. We need to do better.
I have severe anxiety, PTSD, Depression, Insomnia. I've seen a lot and been through more than any normal human being should.
You and me both brother. It’s still one day at a time. Just don’t quit today, every day.
I hope you make your way through all that garbage, Steve. I appreciate you.
Why should any feel pity for the bullies?
@@jubairomar2676 Sorry I missed you. Maybe next time.
Thank you for your service 🙏 ❤
I hope the Sergeant who explained that refusing the order, realising he needed help and asking for it was seen as weakness, knows now that what he did actually took incredible strength, courage & self awareness.
37:17, I think broadcasting how laid-back these sessions can be is very valuable; helps dissuade the nerves.
My fiancé named Luis V. served in Iraq as well. He's a specialist. He missed his combat friend who died in a car accident when they got out of the army. The only thing my fiancé is sensitive about is hearing a stuff that has been slammed. And he's outlet for his PTSD is playing online games which i support him.
Hmmm good keep it up
Playing games online is a pleister on the wound, a kind of escape... not the solution. He is still running... xx..
@@08Stellaeveryone has their outlets.
@@08StellaSays the person with complete anonymity, sitting behind a screen writing this on a keyboard or phone😂 Its pathetic how you people act on here compared to real life.
@@ocatazzip124 Not sure what you mean... like you are sitting behind the screen ridiculing what YOU THOUGHT I had said? Is that what you mean with "you people act on here"? I said it in a decent manner and would say it in real life too. Look up any serious issue how ppl deal with it (drinking, smoking, gambling, shopaholics, alcoholics, drug users, overeaters, overworking, underachievers... ) and you'll see I didn't say anything wrong. We are all in the same group. We distract ourselves from the real issues, emotions that we don't want to feel. Only the TOOL is different. This is a serious issue, I am not the one with a smiley in my comment. Not nice at all...
A country that hurst its own people so much cannot be successful for very long. Frontline, your content is just top quality work !
Love this program!! Keep up the good work
Absolutely superb. Reminder that even soldiers r normal human beings who are courageous and fragile at the same time. They have witnessed so much horror.
Soldiers are bloody murderers & rapists. When you go to war over a lie, there is a special place in hell for people like them
They didn't witnessed any horror but they are the ones that have done the horror.
@@yayaabdulahihasan7749correct
@@yayaabdulahihasan7749 That horror was made by our corrupt leaders. Don't blame the gun, blame the man.
When you talk about Shell shock and the pussification with the wording of the condition, it reminds of a lot of George Carlin's had to say about the subject.. Which I always took to heart, bless you for bringing it up
I watch this for the first time with tears, I was born in 1949 in HongKong. My late father was captured by Japanese army when he was doing business in China.He was in the Hainan camp, he was kept alive because he knew how to drive a truck. after the war ended he came have and stared family and business. Business fail and he have mental illness. the family through he was lazy. There was no PTSD at those days.I was raised by my god parents. my god mother is my moms good friend. My God father was a soldier fought the Jepenese. He talk a lot about the war at dinner time after drinking the rice wine my god mother made.. I was he only audience. Because my god mother alway rolled her eyes and said he told the same story. All this years I believed he fought for the KMT ( Chiang Kai Shek ) because he alway said what a hero-appearance he had on the house. the 3 thing he repeated and repeated was the big scare on he forehead and the only medicine the soldiers had was garlice and how their used the stews to fixed their shoes when they march. I was young but I just assume the soldiers wore leather boots. sometime I rolled my eyes with my godmother too thinking that he was BS. No until the lock down I had time to watch the history RUclips, and I saw the Moa soldiers wearing sandals or even No shoes. and because the Moa's soldiers got chased and killed by the real soldiers.I stared to realized and cried many time while I was watching those RUclips. Even my god father was hiding the fact that he was the Moa's solider ( it was dangerous at that time ) but when h e talk about how the villager willing to risk their own life to help them. His eyes lifted up and I know he was so proud. He never talk bad about other soldiers Because all soldiers are frighting for the same reason . and it was the commandos that they trust keep them frighting the evil force with they highest integrity... their life. No any pills and Therery can replace the Integrity and respect from their own hearts. I sing Ave Maria everyday as my prayer to all service. There are no different why they put their lives into the course.
So he was in the Kuomintang ? Where was he fighting ? In Hong Kong ? A fascinating story
In Canada we have lost more of our soldiers to suicide after coming home then those who died in Afghanistan. It is shameful how we leave so many of them to rot .
That's sad.
Exactly what happens when you torture prisoners, desecrate Qur'an (look up the recent reports regarding by BBC/Al jazeera) bully the weak and unarmed kill civilians.
That’s interesting to hear coming from being an American soldier bc we have had very similar numbers. 22 a day for last few years. Makes it seem more normal hearing other countries similar to us have them same issues.
@@jubairomar2676 that’s funny bc what I saw was the taliban torturing pow’s, civilians, Christians, raping little boys, making women suicide bombers, hiding behind the civilians so they accidentally get shot, and using their religion as a shield bc they know we won’t attack mosque or during prayer etc.
@@alaskayoung3413 You didn't see what you're claiming. You're a liar.
And Christians don't live in Afghanistan 😂😂 the "raping of boys" was done in US controlled area overseen by US military. Torture is your thing, Trump got voted in power after pledging to bring back harsher torture methods, Obama admitted to torturing people.
And you dropped hundreds of bombs on mosques, graves, schools, hospitals, markets and weddings in Afghanistan.
You're a terrible liar.
My grandfather was suicidal, starting about twenty five years after he came back from Japan. He fought them in SE Asia and then was part of the occupation forces there for a few years, going into Nagasaki shortly after the bomb was dropped there to clean up. He took photos and saw some horrific stuff. All his PTSD was self directed but my dad said the one time he remembered my grandfather hitting him (and my uncle) was when they found those photos under the house. He did tell my dad about all the business deals being made after the war and that did affect my view of what was really going on in the M.E.
I struggle with PTSD not from war, (I never served in the military,) but from various childhood traumas; these have also resulted in my struggling with depression and anxiety, and I only started getting help in the summer of 2019 when I was 29.
Please, please reach out; doing so doesn't make you weak but rather, it actually does the exact opposite. It takes a lot of strength and courage to reach out for help, but it's better to do that than to suffer in silence.
u need lot of good friends and merry time that will help u to recover from bad past...............i got through the same........
My Great-grandfather knew about this problem. He apologized to me when I was an adult and explained that it was part of the cost we all paid and continue paying for our part in the last centuries global wars.
He participated in both.
It blew my mind to find it only starting to be covered and actually disputed! In the nineties.
Terrible shame.
This is really good. Heartbreaking and illuminating. It's sad in our country the folks who are made to suffer and lose for the "winners" and rich people to get what they want.
I served 4 tours
each time worst .....PTSD did destroy me for a long time and still haunts me .......meditation helped alot
Do what my vet friend does. Drink and go in the woods. It helps him
Very good documentary , stay strong brothers🇺🇸
Very sad war destroy human life. My prayer goes to everyone. Thank you for your service.
My grandfather fought in Korea, earned a Purple Heart and saw a lot that I was too young to hear at the time. Unfortunately he passed and I got to hear from my father what he had seen, I still for the life of me don’t know how he became such an amazing grandfather, my father told me he was a much different dad, had issues with traumatic stress, and was very angry. I only knew him as the smiling, joking man filled with outrageous humor and a love for life. He’s a hero, and I like to believe his family really helped him feel he deserved to be around, and didn’t have to feel guilt or sadness for what he had.
Very good documentary! Brings light to the mental health issue that was taboo. Maybe still is but shine a little bit of light to the subject.
Man this is a good documentary. PTSD is real man.
Took me 20 odd yrs to admit I had a problem . Cost me job and my marriage. For God's sake ...... ASK !!! You are NEVER alone The guys who had yr back then will still have your back now !!
Hearing all of this makes me even more grateful that I decided NOT to join the military when I was young. I'd always suspected that it was a cruel and ignorant organization with a culture that didn't value its personnel. My father told me stories of how threatened he and his fellow airmen were by the Air Force during his service in the Vietnam War. I've also heard that the modern Marines treat their people the worst and see their lives as very cheap, in and out of combat (from Terrence Popp - on RUclips if you want to hear from him about this). The most sickening part of this issue is how the 'macho' culture is present in civilian life as well, with an incredible parallel stigma toward and ignorance of mental illness in American society. You can clearly see why we have such a high level of veteran suicides in the country right now - a culture of condemnation and ridicule combined with a gross ignorance of the nature of mental illness derived from trauma. I just thank God there are some professionals out there (like Grossman and the psychologists) that understand the problem clearly and can educate those of us who are willing to learn.
I think you should do a little homework on Dave Grossman (who is indeed a gross man) before you send that piece of literal human fecal matter any praise.
@@horusthehorse No need - I've read his books and have been following his work in the civilian sector for years - what's your beef with him?
Well said,War is a Racket and All wars are Bankers Wars.
Thank you for your service. You my friend are the real patriot.
Well it is called the service for a reason.
I did two tours in Iraq I'm 60 years old now and still dealing with pstd, my wife left me because of my anger that I didn't have before my second tour, what keeps me grounded is that I have custody of my son I will never allow him to join the marines as I did. But God is good I'm much better than I used to be.
Yeah lol seriously you believe in God after causing so much pain and suffering to the people?
Sorry sir
I pissed but I direct at how deserves it, It's not you or your family, it's the government hiring people from India to work at the VA, iam used to death seen alot n I wasn't in your combat, You don't kill 1 cow, you kill the whole herd, mad cow disease its in the VA.
@@jubairomar2676exactly
Hang in there, tomorrow is a new day. I want to thank you for your hard work, dedication, honor, integrity, and service.
Truly heartbreaking…most of these soldiers are just kids.
They signed up to invade a country and kill innocent men women and children so they got what they deserve
@@puppiesgoarf664 that wasn’t thier decision to invade. You’re blaming the wrong ppl.
@@Dustinwhy8 Agree 100% ! I was barely past 17 when I joined, out at 20 ! If war happens I had nothing to do with that decision...serving does NOT always mean killing, but with evil out there we MUST have a military
@@puppiesgoarf664 Some of them had no other choice if they wanted to have a chance at a decent life with a decent education, some of them joined out of a sense of patriotism and duty to their country, some of them signed up to kill, most of them were lied to from a young age, not a single man feeding the war machine expects to be chewed up and shred to pieces by it, war is declared by old men, and fought by the young.
@@puppiesgoarf664 These people are not psychopaths. That's the reason they suffer after coming home. These men are patriots and believe they are serving their country.
Frontline documentaries are so details and vary well presented. Great work ...
It is no wonder that less than 1 percent of the population serves in the US military. Most young people and their families don’t want this trauma fighting in unwinnable and unending wars against terrorism.
It's all about money and power , it's not about freedom (free-Dumb) or democracy, all that patriotism is bullshit , the u.s a warmonger state ( president einsehower warn about military industrial complex)
Just like Mexico 🇲🇽 is a Narco state , just like the war in drugs has always been bullshit , it's money money ,money , and to incarcerated people of color , there is a reason why the majority of people of color are incarcerated and the whites are the minority
A little under 10% of Americans arrive in the Military. The 1% number is the percent of Americans that serve in Combat Arms.
We always send the poor
I think it's 0,5% at any given time. So the percentage of people that served in the military must be much higher.
@@yannick245 There are around 19 million U.S. veterans according the Department of Veterans Affairs, representing approx 7.5% of the U.S. adult population.
Thank you for this documentary that you have made and how much I understand what that this documentary is teaching about and needs to be seen
Very, very good documentary. People need to better understand PTSD. Mental healthcare needs to be a priority for everyone, not a 'shame'
I do have PTSD myself and I’m no coward and that was cowardly act! no buddy like to die in war but what did he think was going to happen when you sign up🤡
not only for the disorders but how US must cope with other country without war and to avoid such mental disorder.May God bless people of US
Well if they didn't travel to other countries and shoot innocent people. Problem solved. Focus on the Cause, not the symptom..
Wounded warrior project does the best they can to help troops with ptsd. If u can afford to donate please go to WWP
@@yandenuts It's not necessarily that simple. Yes, shooting people could cause PTSD, but there are are also many other causes of PTSD.
Outstanding documentary 👏 👌 i suffer PTSD, not from combat experience...........but mine from a emergency hospitalisation where i died twice and spent 9 weeks in ITU......the drugs and experience realky warped my mind so i can only pray for these people who suffer.....god bless you all and good luck.........
Did you meet Jesus? Did you leave your body??
He might have did @marsdenk.6162
My son and daughter in law are in the Air Force. Praying for them daily 🙏🙏🙏
LMAO the Chair Force. why they may get a paper cut! PTSD from that and the chow hall ran out of break pudding.
It’s not just the military at faulty: WWI soldier Frisby Anderson was my grandfather’s brother. He lived at the VA in Montrose NY, from 1926 until he died in 1978, he was “shell shocked” His own family didn’t want him he was so disgraced, yet he lived a long, long time. He still accepts prayers and bestows blessings, FYI
100% PTSD Rating. God Bless my battle buddies
I saw my buddy get pinned in between the wall and a k-loader. He didn't make it. I wasn't able to speak on it until recently with the help of the VA. It has most definitely traumatized me beyond repair. My buddy lost his life...and I've pretty much lost mine. Only difference is I'm still breathing...damn.
I'm sorry to hear that, horrible accident. Your not alone man don't be afraid to ask for help if you need to talk to someone. It's heartbreaking when we lose troops to enemy fire but even worse when it's friendly or accidental. Keep your head high and like I mentioned reach out to your va or vet crisis line if you need help..don't keep it inside it will tear you up if you do.
I'm sorry brother. May you find the best way of learning how to live again.
What do you honestly expect to get out of war aside from trauma?
They literally sold their souls for money and benefits.
For US, Oil
They chose to go and participate in destroying another country the Afghan or IRAQI people were defending there land just like Americans would defend there land if they were invaded
@AnuragSingh-hi9ly India uses tons of oil too and benefits from the global security that our military provides. The U.S. obtained no oil in the Iraq War. The new government got it and Afghanistan has no oil.
@@AnuragSingh-hi9ly i mean individually as a soldier you genius.
Thank you every service member🙏🏻 you are real-life heroes just for signing that paper
R.I.P. Matthew.D.K. thanks for your service!!!
REST EASY HERO.... So sad. May Jeff be in Gods loving arms. This world is less of a place without him......
To call military veterans cowards is disgusting and unacceptable! That part where one of the veterans was charged with "cowardice" angered me a lot!
God Bless all of you. Thankyou is not enough for what you all have done for the people of the United States. I love all of you!
I remember a Star Trek TNG episode. A planet enhanced and trained some soldiers to fight a war. They won the war. The leaders then locked up the former soldiers in a large supermax prison because the soldiers could no longer function in a peaceful society. The former soldiers escaped and made a visit to the leaders of the planet. Picard and the Enterprise left the planet and encouraged the leaders to help not imprison the former soldiers. We need to do more to help our veterans especially the ones who have been in combat.
Respect to these soldiers for telling the truth. As a muslim, I wish you peace in your lives 🙏🏽
I would be GUT WRENCHED to hear people tell me thank u for your service.. know the truth behind it all is horrible to all the innocent people lives lost.
Thank you all for your unselfish service. God bless you and your families.
Hats off to PBS frontline to take up such a sensitive subject , in India today if you make this kind of documentary you will be branded as anti-national for sure .
That's most unfortunate when just the opposite is true; there's nothing more patriotic for noncombatants than to care for veterans.
Equal documentaries have been made in several European countries. PTSD is a well-known and public recognised issue.
@@OmmerSyssel this was in 2005. Here in the US especially then it still had a stigma. Still does now of course but not as bad.
Real good program..Some many good people suffer .You could be tough as nails ,and then some little thing sticks in your brain and won't leave you alone.
We turn young men and women into weapons, send them to do and see horrible things, and expect them to come home to readapt to peacetime life......22 a day.........22 a day. The wars never end for any soldier who has been in combat.
"Only the dead have seen the end of war " Plato I think ? Anyway It describes the agony well
Still living with PTSD (from mid 90s). Screw the ignorant. Get help and improve your life. Be selfish…you are worth it! Reach out, you have family out here who truly understand. It can get better…
Will Lyman’s narration is Frontline’s golden goose.
goose-step?
That really is true. That voice is iconic. When you hear that voice, you know what you are about to watch is quality stuff.
Right! 👌 He and Peter Coyote are unmatched as narrators.
The mental fight us combat veterans bring back with us is immense to say the least. Seeing what we saw, doing what we did in 🇮🇶 and 🇦🇫, there needs to be extensive de-briefing not just of the mission, but of ones mind, ongoing mental therapy and treatment for PTSD within the mob. Until the mob take responsibility for the state of mind of returning SOLDIERS and get proactive, this ongoing situation of combat PTSD will continue to haunt veterans, causing homelessness, broken relationships, suicides and felonies. We signed up to serve and protect, the mob should pay us back respectively. OAFAAF.
We don't need to hear your sob stories. We need to hear more about the PTSD that people in Iraq & Afghaniatan had to suffer thanks to people like u.
It’s so crazy to think about the fact that it was common practice, not long ago, to execute fellow soldiers tormented by war fatigue. Making it even crazier is the fact that WW1 was an extremely violent and deadly war. Most troops cracked under the constant threat of artillery landing all around you. They would constantly hear the shells falling and never knew where it would land. Anyone who doesn’t crack from that type of threat is an exception. And not to mention the trench warfare. I am by no means saying war today isn’t terrible, it’s just a different type of war. Today they have the constant threat of IED’s and suicide bombers. And when your surrounded by a civilian population where they look no different then the enemy, that must be similar to fearing artillery dropping down. You never know when it might happen. God bless our soldiers, past and present. Your sacrifices help protect our way of living here at home and without it we wouldn’t survive. Thank you all.
Thanks for the gratitude. It was my pleasure and I definately speak for most type A soldiers, actual war fighters.
I’ve know ww2 vets that have told me about the readjustment camps that were mandatory when they returned from combat. It was about 2 months long. It gave them a chance to get past all the death and destruction and be able to pick up their lives again. The Government already knows about this . But they denied the Viet Nam vets that service, and all vets since then . They would rather let them have problems and opt for an image of a soldier that can do anything without being affected like a normal human. Nobody can do the impossible except the Creator.
If our country would help our returning vets, it would show the world our humanity instead of our interest in forging the perfect soldier.
Equal treatment for equal humanity.
As a Canadian I served in Kandahar in 2007. All Canadian troops left the battle field and your first stop was Cyprus for 4 days to receive debriefs and health meetings. It was sort of helpful, but mostly just a drunk fest and lots of fist fights due to issues that happened on operations. The real issues creep up when you least expect it…..
5:29 Those bald guys with glass eyes is Memo Mata (He served two tours in Afghanistan in 2001 & 2004) Now living peacefully with his family in Beijing,China’s as the international principal at private school.
Nobody wins in war.
You either lose your life.
Or lose your humanity.
Lest we forget all the fallen. Not just our own. 🙏🙏🙏
This was not a war. 40 mass murdering power nations vs an impoverished group.
@@jubairomar2676 oh shut up. They were backed by Russia. AND the Mujahedeen compensated the families of fallen soldiers. To call them an impoverished group is outright disrespectful to the countless of elite trained jihadists who lost their lives to these legal terrorists with nothing more than a gun license, determine who has the right to kill.
@@Go-go-super-guru who were backed by Russia again? And how exactly?
@@jubairomar2676 my apologies. The USSR. How? Only with the biggest military supplies, equipment and advisors that it had ever given to any other country.
Shall we go down this road?
Can't wait love Frontline always get the truth out
these, cameramans, journalists are professional at work. 💕
PBS FRONTLINE PLEASE ADD THE WOUNDED PLATOON.
🤔🤔🤔
My cousin was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm so proud of him for serving. I have ptsd from childhood trauma. Please, don't hesitate to seek help!
And the things I heard from some of these men- including older men who had fought in WW2- they were so bad that these people were haunted for their entire lives- usually due to things that they themselves had done in the fog and delusion of war. These were not bad men. They were regular and fundamentally decent people- but in war their good intentions and humanity were hijacked in ways that are normally incomprehensible to anyone in normal life. They did things there that they never would have normally done. Then they went home and there was no reconciling the ways in which they’d acted with who they thought they were. It’s a hell I wouldn’t wish on any human being- despite their wrong actions. These men and boys were hijacked by something bigger than them as individuals and profoundly evil.
Hi are you veterans
I was no soldier in Afghanistan. But I was in Afghanistan beginning 2002 before troops was in. I saw so horrible things I cant describe with words.
Me too needed 6 month to ask for help.
Today after nearly 20 years still have flashbacks.
Afghanistan that time was really how I think hell looks like.
Isn't that the true consequences of Islamic ruling?
@@OmmerSyssel Dont know ? But what I think is, after Afghanistan beginning 2002 and our troups was not in, and PTBS and other injuries. War experiences change each character and mentality this I can say for sure. Now I live since 6 years in Indonesia, and are married here, majority Muslims, about 85 %. But totally different Muslims, much more tolerant than the Afghans. I think we cant say, its so and so, when Muslim rule ? Or so and so when Christians rule ? Or so and so when Hindu rule, etc etc. ? My experience is we have to look at the country and people and history ?
And sure Afghanistan is since 1979 in war, that create special people, 23 years war when I gone in. And war, this I can say, bring out our worst side of character and mentality.
Its simply you or me survive........
They thought them breaking into just random innocent civilians homes and killing women and children wouldn’t effect them cus at the time they thought they were tough.. They chose to go and participate in destroying another country the Afghan or IRAQI people were defending there land just like Americans would defend there land if they were invaded
@@OmmerSysselthey still rule there and America lost and kill themselves and cry victims
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War should be made illegal. The victims are those involved in war directly for the benefit of those sitting on top.
100% correct. good comment
And what makes you think that anyone would enforce that rule?
@@theslayer-re6uh Your question just proves you don't get it.
@@HuiChyr Don't get what? No one is going to enforce that rule because no one will agree to it.
@@theslayer-re6uh Hey, If you don't get it, you don't get it. Move on.