Let’s forget those who think this song is controversial let’s focus on how the former President lead this song. No one in politics sings like the former President, honorable Jacob Zuma 😭😭😭😭💔💔💔
Years later, I as a South African watch this video and appreciate this gentleman's view point, this song is a very symbolic and represents a myriad of historical factors, and for this reason and many others should be past from one generation to the next. Viva!!
Ernest Mathebula but she is a coconut, she is black or African on the outside in the inside she is white, the oppressive kind. So, anything that speaks of black or African emancipation is will be scary and controversial for her.
Point of correction , " His Excellency The President of the Republic of South Africa leads the congregation into revolutionary song at the funeral service of Nelson Mandela"
@Bantze Hotep And do you know why they don't want to go back? Because they were born there, lived there their whole lives like their ancestors that have been there for hundreds of years. It has nothing to do with your false argument that Europe is a bad place to live in. South Africa is a less developed country than all of the Central and Western European countries, including the post-communist ones. I would even argue that most of the Eastern European countries are doing better than SA as well. We have milions of black Africans living in different European countries. Why is that? Because they know they are much better off here than in any African country, SA included. I have nothing againts them living here peacefully, provided they don't cause any trouble and are willing to submit to our values and ways of life. And if I am to be honest, they really have no real right to be here, they were not born here, their ancestors have never lived here for hundreds of years, they are only here because of our benevolence. Why can't you show the same kind of benevolence to you white neighbours, when they have a lot bigger claim on the country than African people living here ever had as far as living in Europe is concerned. Last thing you should consider, you in fact don't want the white farmers to leave your country, unless of course you don't want to starve to death, and I believe you don't.
Just in case you don't know what the song says let me translate it: We, the black nation We are lamenting for our land. Our Land which was seized by the Whites Chorus: We say, Let them leave our Land x3 Verse2 The children of Africa are mourning, Mourning for their land. Their Land which was seized by the Whites.
bobby shabangu When whites firstly came into SA they just made refuelling stations, nothing more, they didn't seize anything, then they started to seize uninhabited lands, and then, shamefully, they taken most of your lands. It is not the same.
***** When I grew up I used to read in a history class that Dr David Livingston discovered the Victoria falls. I knew something was wrong with statement but I didn't know how to prove it until my grandfather told me that Livingston didn't discover a thing. He was the first European to see the Victoria falls not discover. In fact when the white man came he rewrote my history, introduced boarders then gave me the bible and told me that the lands where my cattle were grazing were unhibited and they belong to him now.
I love south Africans natural beauty an their love of their culture and their pride as Africans, i can say they are Africans who are proud to be Africans, long live their spirits
I had known this song from the film Amandla! and do not understand how it could be "controversial." It says "our children cry because white people took our land; may it be returned to the people." It is a remembrance of WHY there was a struggle in the first place. It is obviously in the style of a prayer hymn, a prayer that one day all things will be straightened out as they should be. This is the same as "We shall overcome" and the Christian prayer for the Kingdom of God on earth.
+Dennis Maher Please think a bit. You must choose a side. You must choose if ppl do own land, or do not. If they do ppl actually should have the same rights being white black yeloow or blue stripes. If they not own land then every thing is to everyone. If you say. This is the same question for international borders. Is just a human concept. It actually dont exist. We humans invented it. But you must see that no one does anything about it even if they are black or white leaders. Are we so much different then? Probably not. You have the same right to claim for what it's yours as other ppl. Many africans fleed from africa to europe along the years. This music has no logic to me. There are africans all around the world. Should they go all back do africa? We white ppl have to fleed from europe because of white persecution to other white ppl. Not trying to play the victim role here. We are all victims of our own shit. The ppl holding guns and power should be vanished from earth. They are the real problem. All other's are just poor innocents that try to do their living the best they can. These hate isnt good for humanity. There is plenty of room on Earth for all of us without killing eachother. I doubt there is room for anyone if we keep on fighting.
I wish my country Ghana once had a president that can sing like this! Dear South Africans, no matter the wrong Mr Zuma did, I believe he still has some outstanding positive records that can't be overlooked. "To forgive is divine and to err is human." No one is perfect! Peace be unto Africa!
You had the Father of independence, President Keame Nkrumah, may he continue his Heavenly RIP 🙏🏾🤲🏾👏🏾! He was a visionary. Xuma was a thief. And the ANC has not improved the lives of everday BLACK South Africans. I hope Julius Malema will one day be president, InshaAllah 🙏🏾🤲🏾.
You are right Mr. President Zuma was the best president of the people NOT of the West but for the people. He did so much more than former Presidents Mandela & Mbeki combined. Only critical thinkers acknowledge this. I’m not even Zulu but than man was my President ✊🏾
If President Zuma was not born is just a waste of "NINE WASTED YEARS " He was the by being push by hiden Tribalism and opportunists if you are you are DULL and EMBECILE minded nothing you can see...
Nothing is controversial about this song, it actually is what Tata Mandela would have loved. it is has substantial significance to the history and heritage of Black traditional chiefs (as Mandela was one of them), the political struggle and the greater masses at large. We cannot be expected to bow to the feelings of arrogant Afrikaners who cannot accept the realities of the scourge underwhich black people in Africa at large had to go through. this song is part of the political culture and social identity of the South Africans, both black and white, who understand its context and the meaning of conserving the heritage and social identity of our country.
Built houses , bridges, schools, universities, hospitals, fought labour brokers. He wasn't perfect yes but the masses weren't forgotten like Ramaphosa who only care about investors etc.
Rub anyone the wrong? It is my pain that I sing about. The Matter is not resolved!!! Why must I pretend to be a gentleman when I know I am being ransacked. It is time to defend and fight...
Still listening in 2021. Great job leading the country in a song that highlights the truth of the past. You honor Mendela by rubbing the comfortable people the wrong way
This is a protest song of a people who were crying for their land. The sad reality is that the message of this song still resonates with some of us today. The land that was stolen from black people has still not been restored back to its rightful owners. There can never be true reconciliation without redress of past imbalances. The enforcement of a collective amnesia on the majority of the people will not work. No matter how long it takes, the land shall be returned to its rightful owners.
This song forces people of every race to acknowledge the atrocities committed in the recent past and it is for this reason, that this mournful harrowing song is abhorred by most, because it forces us to face the moments which history would have us forget. But true reconciliation can only be achieved through reflection. Stop being so angry all the time, God bless you all.
Mosuwe, although I agree with the sentiment of your message, I wonder why bantu people in South Africa have never apologized to the San people for violently driving them of their land. Surely that would be the decent thing to do even though it happened long ago? Could it be that be people prefer to view themselves as victims rather than perpetrators, as it gives them the moral high ground? I think all of us,black and white in SA have been guilty of that.
Weenerempire, First of all you've given me flashbacks with the use of the word "Bantu" direct translation humans or people. Which is all that black people in this country have ever sought to be Human, But an elitist minority (Divine law setting them as Guardians of a land allotted to them by Birthright and Conquest) sought to strip us not only of land and natural resources but our dignity, our Humanity. Secondly your theory is that since everybody is wrong, there is no victim and therefore no crime? The sad reality is that S.A has had its Truth and Reconciliation Committees, which goes to prove that it is easier to forgive than it is to forget.
No Mosuwe I think you have misunderstood my point. I never said there were no crimes or victims. What I am saying is that your and my ancestors have taken land from other people. If there are crimes then we are all guilty and should stop pointing fingers at others as if they are the ONLY guilty ones and we are perfect and innocent. This is what I feel many black people tend to do. Because they have predominantly been victims in relatively recent history, they think they are incapable of such behaviour, and even think that they could never do such things themselves. This leaves them with a false sense of their own lack of historical guilt, as well as their current capability for doing wrong. Just look at the corrupt behaviour of most African leaders in the AU at the expense of their own people. Yet they never get held to account, because 'blacks can only be victims'. Not perpetrators. This is the history of mankind. People acting in their own selfish interest. The reality is that South Africa was not your land when your Nguni ancestors arrived here many centuries ago, just as it was not my ancestors land when they arrived in the 1650's. Both our ancestors TOOK land. The acts are morally equivalent, just seperated by time. Yesterday the head of the San and Khoikhoi organisation in South Africa filed a claim with the government to claim ALL of South African land. What are you going to say to him? Lastly when my distant ancestor left Europe in 1670 to come to SA, it was because Holland was overpopulated. His driving force was economic. He would likely never have seen a black person before, so I doubt he was wringing his hands with glee at the chance to go and humiliate some black people in Africa. Rather he was desperate for a job. (the same kinds of forces of economics and warfare that caused your Nguni ancestors to be forced to migrate South). When he arrived here he worked as a gardener.... hardly a rich man. Am I saying all this to say whites never did anything wrong?Absolutey not. What I am simply asking for, is an acknowledgement that black people are capable of, and have historically done similar things.
Thats absolute rubbish. Dont come and use your divide and conquer techniques that have been long used by your ancestors to enslave the entire world. The Khoi people have lived in the western parts of southern Africa. There is no evidence of them living the the KZN and Mpumalanga. Lets not forget that the Khoi people are Africans. unlike settlers who came and killed their way into being oppressors
The commentors are to turnish President Zuma's image but Madiba is happy wherever he is because Zuma sang the song that made him to be arrested. Mandela was not alone when drafting the TRC and reconciliation.
Controversial?? This song is very relevant considering what Mandela stood for. Its a very very powerful prayer..This woman does not even listen to what Mr Shubane says
and Mr Shubane referring to the message as an irritation to white folk that black people must consider stopping.... irritation? That's what I feel when I drive through old money neighborhoods on my less positive days.
nthabiseng ngoasheng I have heard that the San people sometimes feel a bit irritated when they go through the areas that migrating Bantu tribes violently took from them. But I guess we we don't talk about that right Nthabiseng? So much nicer to sit on a moral high horse and see yourself as a victim who's ancestors never wronged anyone.
wernerempire that could be some kind of trump card you just pulled. if it weren't for that I do not condone any inhumane methods of "conquering" that our less empathetic counterparts may have used... and if it weren't for what history relates to Me, that the San are very much a part of My bloodline. I am of African descent through and through. We have our history, and we have our own things to atone for. Just like Europe has its own history, and its own things to atone for. Until you see africans colonising europe on its home ground and pointing fingers about any European tribes that were conquered in the rise of your particular ones in a bid to make themselves feel like a small part of the problem: you really would do well to accept your descendant's deeds on this continent without looking to find a way to say: but you did this to those other Africans. It was our land then, we didn't share it nicely like we should have amongst ourselves. It is our land now, you included, because of the grace of some great men and women who have made it so despite their experiences. This new understanding we have, does Not wipe away the past. The people shall sing what is meaningful to them.
Appreciate your opposing inhumane means of conquering. I also agree each group has its own sins to atone for. It seems that in South Africa however we talk and act as if only one group (whites) have anything to atone for. You are a rare person that is willing to admit that black people may ever have done anything wrong. This means many people put themselves on a moral pedestal and don't feel the need for introspection. With regards to your other point. The rise of a pan-African or pan-European identity is a relatively recent phenomenon. Africans and Europeans had tribal identities for a very long time. The rise of the nation state is relatively recent (19th century) as is the concept of a pan- Eurpean identity. So the real issue we are talking about is tribes and or nation states taking land from each other for self enrichment. In that sense what difference is there between a war between the Franks and the Goths and the Zulus and the Xhosa's. Or the Dutch and the Xhosa's. Only the location and the colour of the skins differ. Essentially one group is dispossessing another. Do you consider the Berbers of North Africa to be African? If so the invasion of Spain by Tariq ibn Ziyad from North Africa, started an occupation that lasted 7 centuries. Have people from North Africa apologised for that? In the 16th - 18th century, Africans enslaved 1.5 million White Europeans in the Barbary Slave Trade. African Muslims raided up the coastlines of Europe, as far as Iceland, kidnapping and enslaving White European Christians. The men were galley slaves, and the women were sex slaves. My ancestors came here in 1672, and yet you say that I may only be here or call myself African because of the 'grace' of certain African leaders. These are the same leaders who never appologised for their violence against and dispossesion of non-Bantu/Nguni Africans. Does the same apply to black Africans who emigrate to Europe or America? How do you feel about Asians immigrating here. Are they also only allowed to call themselves South African because of the 'grace' of a black African? You seem like a reasonable person, but I still get the impression that at the end of the day you are still saying Africa for the ethnic black Nguni/Bantu only. All others whites, San, Khoi-Khoi, Asian - are not really wanted or accepted here.
@@wernerempireso are you telling me the san were closer to the white colonizers who exterminated them. Than the tswanas and the sothos who look almost identical to the san. You white colonizers must stop the games and the lies.
A remembered moment of history the song of choice was appropriate as Mandela was a reflection of the past and present South Africa 🇿🇦. Thank you Mr President Jacob Zuma
People this are not controversial songs as you say. This are historical songs. They tell us about our struggle and fight for democracy. You only complain when it's done in Africa. Recently Oxford University, a prestigious school taught by renown intellects refuse to remove the statue of Rhode. Why? because they believe it's part of their history. So we will sing our liberation struggle songs where some people feel offended or not.
+STU is the land not Africans? Are we not the true inhabitants of the land? So, you'd be mad if Native Americans sung this song in the US too. Such ignorance. Never discovering always taking.
Kanyanga Eberhard, the song would be less controversial if Zuma had not sung about shooting and killing white people. Also, there are thousands being murdered for their skin color.
Leave it to CNN International to start some isht. This song was spontaneously sung by supporters outside of the court after the verdict sentencing Nelson Mandela to life in prison was read. It is historical and absolutely appropriate for this gathering.
wernerempire Maybe you would be the best candidate to compose some songs for them Mr Hero. Let it be known that not all white people were evil during Colonisation and Apartheid and in the same breath not all black people have forgiven white people. Finish en klaar! People need to vent, to let out, to let it go! Not at some fast tracked speed that suits the government! Saying Im sorry will not bring back missing family members or limbs! This is what I think about the San vs the 'Bantu'.... All over Africa clans had a way of gaining land and making their armies bigger, by conquering their neighbours' land, women and etc... It was a family thing! Call it black on black violence if you like... But everyone knew how it happened and everyone was willing to fight and protect their land, until the last breath... Then the mess came in their ships and ruined it for everyone! Why couldnt they do it in their own lands? You will forever be bothered by black people because your soul knows what your home is like and where it is and yet you want to recreate it here in Africa, no bhuti go home. Where your elders lie. Khumbulekhaya! Your anger will dissolve. STop playing victim where whites are concerned but Mr Hero for the San people. I am sure that they are more than capable of speaking up. Like us.
So black on black genocide is cool with you. Just as long as it's not the whites doing it. Interesting. No wonder Africa will never be rid of black dictators like Idi Amin and Robert Mugabe oppressing their own people. It's because folks like you think that black on black oppression is a family thing which is just cool. I would urge you to reconsider. Please hold black tyrants to the same standards of accountability you demand from whites.
@@wernerempiregive me evidence mr white man. Because I never see actual san people spreading hatred on black south africans. Only white and coloured colonizers who want to divide and conquer. Black south Africans share a similar Capoid ancestor with the khoi and san. They are our brothers and sisters.
Listened to the song 5 times already,i'm yet to hear controversy in the song,nc nc nc nc now every Tom, Dick, and Harry happens to have a say about our Country
It will never be controversial to all of us South who knows South African History .It is a reminder and the lesson to all who want to know the story of Blacks during the colonization.
The comment made by the female anchor about the song being inappropriate annoys me to the high heavens. Wanting reconciliation and inclusiveness doesn't mean that we need to act like everything is okay, hold hands and sing kumbaya. We might be free from apartheid rule but we are still oppressed economically...we are still on the back foot. Of course WE WANT OUR LAND BACK.
Surely President Msholozi you've been purposed and you have envisioned for the return of black man's land and truly you will prophesy that till your last breath as a Pan Africanist. Salute Baba, surely some of your works go ahead of you and some follow behind you.
There can never be any compromise until the land is returned. If somebody breaks into your house,comes back and apologize, the best way to start that apology is to return the stolen goods then we talk about reconciliation. In fact there was never any genuine reconciliation without the subject of land reforms being at the core of those discussions.
Rhandza Mangwane South Africa would still be populated by barefoot, hut dwelling Zulus if the Whites hadn't shown up. If you get rid of them all, your infrastructure will collapse. Zimbabwe tried it, they went from being "the breadbasket of Africa," down to subsistence level farming. Now, they're begging the Whites to return. qz.com/458137/mugabe-is-asking-back-the-white-farmers-he-chased-away/
Rhandza Mangwane There's no mention of China in the Torah either, so? Africa didn't teach the West much, nor did Africans develop the modern technologies we depend on. If Africans ruled the world, we'd still be in the Stone Age. Barefoot hut dwellers.
***** you must be slow or illiterate, wait you're probably both. The technology you depend on is a recent thing, non of it existed in 23 B.C. The Torah carries history beyond 2000 B.C. The study of the oldest wonder of the world is Egyptology which has given your people careers as Egyptologists, they spend all their lives studying what our ancestors built; can be found in the Torah as well. Besides the African slaves were responsible for most of the innovations which were credited to their captors. It's basic son, the captor of the golden goose owns the golden egg the golden goose egg lays. You answer me this; why did the Europeans who invaded the US and took the land of the Native Americans not make those Native Americans their slaves. Why did they specifically go to West Africa, where the great Timbuktu was situated where the great Mansa Musa was, the home of civilization?
I don't know why people offended by this song. Its time to take back what is rightfully there's. I salute the Great Ledgend Mr Nelson Mandela " Its seems impossible until it is done and it is done"
I want to learn this song. I must learn this song. I want to learn the song for itself, but if it irritates white settlers and refuses to accept land theft by whites of African lands: I am OBLIGED to learn it. The revolution has not been concluded. These CNN commentators can rot
This is a very powerful song! And yes it is sung when a freedom fighter is being laid to rest. I am 110% Zulu. And I will gladly translate the song you'll The song is called "Thina Sizwe"/ us as the nation (the black nation to be precise) Thina sizwe esim'nyama( we as the black nation), sikhalela izwe lethu( we cry or weep for our country or land), elathathwa abamhlophe (that was taken from us by the white oppressors... Mabaw'yeke umhlaba wethu- (they must leave our country or land alone)!............................ how is this song controversial?? The lyrics are only facts, vele the truth hurts!
How about the controversy of a black men having to pay more money for land in urban areas while the takers are having it at less cost n less interest rate?
This is no where a song like this is inappropriate for this occasion. May they be reminded that Mandela lived this era and that was a perfect song to sing at the time. Get over yourselves people of ignorance.
So this Media has been always like this..... He sang this ong because even the original idea only Mandela has was always about land, and how can this song be rubbing people the wrong way? People who to this day have never been sorry for killing our people, they speak of reconciliation, what are we reconciling really...Even so in any occasion , it is effective and necessary to remind people of the original struggle of the liberation movement and this song is perfect in this occasion.
I disagree with Mr. Shubane, who seems to suggest that in the next reconciliation, Black South Africans should stop singing the song because it irritates Afrikkaners. Tough. Apartheid did a lot more than irritate Blacks and Coloreds - it killed thousands of them in the name of racial superiority.
Black people not speaking the truth of the injustice we suffered and suffer is the real problem. Imagine trying to make the people who stole your land uncomfortable by stating the truth. This brother is still under the influence of apartheid fearing baas
So even people who are oppressed feel that a song that tells the reality of the Black people is controversial.... shit we are loosing the intellectual battle.
There's nothing controversial about that song. They're 💯 correct in singing that song because their land was indeed stolen by people who were not even from the African continent. If the Native Indigenous people here were singing a similar song, they would be absolutely correct and exact. The same goes for our Palestinian Brothers and Sisters.
Oh come on people, there is nothing inapropriate in president Zuma singing this song. He is singing it in memory of his comrad, its not intended to offend anyone but as a reminder of what Rolihlahla Mandela and others like him rescued us from. This idea that black people must refrain from saying things that will rubb people the wrong way is just stupid. Reconciliation is not about forgerting the past. We have forgiven, but we will not forget; these songs are part of the very fabric of our journey to freedom, if anyone is offended by them its too bad.
Anthony VersterI don't give a shit what you call us. That's a reflection on you, not on black people. The song doesn't advocate violence, its actually a call to the apartheid government to stop the violence and treat everyone the same. If you think democracy is a shitty plan, then you have a serious problem. We already spent spent 300 years in subjugation, shame on us if we still avoid doing things because we don't want to offend some white supremacist idoiots.
Anthony Verster You are so CLUELESS. You must notice that all the African leaders who took care of black people's interest after the struggle against the White man always end up being called dictators, bad rulers and all that negative stuff. In reality, white people still possess the wealth and resources they stole during Colonisation and in the South African context, during colonisation and Apartheid. Therefore, when black governments get into power, they have to adress the imbalance of wealth by taking back the land, nationalising the mines, health, education and sometimes agriculture. When this happens, white people hate it and the so called powers of the world do everything in their power to make it look like we cannot rule ourselves. So the failing of African economies is not because black leaders cannot rule, it is because they genuinely take care of the black man's interests which is something America,and Britain HATE very much.
phoenixrising427 If knowing our history and having an intimate understanding of its effects to be able to come up with solutions for the future even beyond my own lifetime is being stuck in the dark, then i am not only stuck i am entrenched. Question, if that is being in the dark, what would being in the light be?
This song makes me sad and llok and wonder where did we go wrong. President Zuma has sung this song wonderfully and brought back the wounds of the apartheid. Thank you Msholozi.
gmccall22 are you happy after saying that? Did it make you sleep better at night? For your information, I do not entertain people who think like you, continue my guy. I feel sorry for the poor dog that you have trained, I feel pitty for you. I hope you will gain some wisdom some day!
I was surprised to hear Dutch settler calling themselves Afrikaner, they must be living in fantasy land. In all my sixteen years living in Holland as African immigrant i hear the story of Jan van Reebek who came from Zeeland and working for the most powerful Dutch imperial shipping institution where on his way to India, eventually arrived in Kaap Stad or Cape cost in English and he fell in love with the area, and this lead to mass migration of Dutch from Zeeland to South Africa. Later the Dutch fabricated their own history and claimed they are there before the native black people of South Africa, the European fabricated every history of the land the take over from indigenous people throughout the planet, either they say they discover the country or their the owner of the land. I have nothing against the European, i am only against their denied of other people existence long before their arrival to the land the called home. Immigration have been happening throughout history of mankind noting new in that, but the must respect the native people the met and treat them with dignity not exterminating them as they did throughout history.
***** We know throughout the history of European, anywhere they went to go and settle they will rewrite the history of the place, are you now telling me the Zulu, Xhosa, Ndebele, San, Penda to mention few are new to that area of the continent, the inhabit for thousands of years long before the European arrived to Azania. There is powerful Kingdom in that area of the continent. They European arrived in America they say they discover it, They they discover Mao a tunya a fall in between Zimbabwe and Zambia, then they name it Victoria fall, they discover source of Hapi the name Nile. As widely traveled African that have leave part of my adult life in west, i understand the fantasy of the people of west about claiming glory of other.
Eniola Apata Its true that the blacks arrived in South Africa 1st, however the dutch were there before many of the tribes that came later, such as the Tswana.
The only people who have more of a right than those Dutch settlers to call themselves South African are the San people who were already in SA for a realtively long duration. None of the Xhosas and Zulus and Vendas and Ndebeles etc came into the southern parts of South Africa from up north until roughly the same time as the Dutch moved through the Western and Eastern Capes where they first met around the fish river area. So if you want to tell the white people to go back to Europe then you should go back to central Africa because that's where you came from. We don't have time for your double standards here
Rowan Angelbeck I leaved in Holland for sixteen years, and i integrated into the Dutch society, i married Dutch with families in South Africa, I hear the Story of Jan Van Rebeek, how he left Holland, when he was working Royal Netherlands cargo company. So stop tell this craps your talking the Dutch came to South Africa. Can you tell me any country in central Africa where Zulu, Xhosa, Vendas, Ndebeles are spoken apart from Southern part of Africa, where these language are spoken for thousands of years long before the white settler came and change the history and said they are there before the native. No where else apart from South Africa where Zulu, Xhosa are speaking language. I am from not South Africa, but i am the native son of the soil of Africa, and historian living for over twenty five years in diaspora. They only language spoken in central Africa are Baka, Bakongo,Kinbundu,Bassa, Bameleke. And the story invented by European settler in southern Africa, is not new many Story were invented throughout the world by European settler in anywhere the settle. They don't to hear the truth, because the think they are master of the world. I am not racist but we must all stand up for truth, as human family we have right to leave in anywhere we want to leave, but we must respect the native right and their existence, we must never denial civilization of others. Because every human race have their own history, geographical location, culture
I thought they were gonna sing the "kill the boer" song, which would've been pretty fucked up, but in this case, I honestly can't tell what's so "contreversial" about it.
The song unites us and is not controversial at all. We must remind each other that many of us are landless because of apartheid and colonialism. When we sing "Shosholoza" to cheer the springboks, they forget exactly what the song is about and pretend it's our 2nd national anthem. Izwe Lethu!
Never take offence to the word karffi : it only means non- believer. The same people using that word don't know the meaning, how great is that.... Talk about uncultured people.
+Irvin Makhaye I think this Fred Pons guy is ether a troll, or someone meant to portray a racist white south african as I have seen him comment in almost every thread on this video and several others.
This is not controversial. This is a piece of history which should never be forgotten.
By that standard the confederate flag is too
Never to be forgotten
Why do you whites always want to deny documented history
@Mark Longkutoy why are you lying,Satan?Sies!
They kept slaves and killed people lol
This is our cry for our land that was taken by white men
Let’s forget those who think this song is controversial let’s focus on how the former President lead this song. No one in politics sings like the former President, honorable Jacob Zuma 😭😭😭😭💔💔💔
Do you know Mbuyiseni Ndlonzi ?
The second black politician and leader we ever had
@@arthurmanqele7214 you are still young
He still do be a crap president
No one can sing like Dr Ndlozi ✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼
Am Nigerian and I love this song and can relate to it
Omo naija
Years later, I as a South African watch this video and appreciate this gentleman's view point, this song is a very symbolic and represents a myriad of historical factors, and for this reason and many others should be past from one generation to the next.
Viva!!
SA is a shithole mate
It’s amazing how the truth is seen as Controversial ..... these days 🤣
This song is not controversial, it is a song of pain - This song is for us, those who felt the injustices of the past.
Yes comrade ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
You mean the songs of terrorists
get over it.
@@jhonklan3794when the last Boer is returned to the Netherlands
It's crazy that two black people think this song is controversial...
***** seriously if you don't like why you comment for nothing ? You acting like a kid... You are probably a very sad men with no life...Troll. Bye
Isha Sesay is what some black Americans would call a bed wench. Married a white man, not surprised.
It's moronic to be honest.
Prayerful song for people crying for their land...how the f is that controversial. SERIOUSLY!!!
Azuree Ingvild Hjøllund Beck thank God the world has moved on. No offence but FUCK OFF
This reporter is misinformed.
Ernest Mathebula but she is a coconut, she is black or African on the outside in the inside she is white, the oppressive kind. So, anything that speaks of black or African emancipation is will be scary and controversial for her.
Or protecting her job.
I love the song and I love Zuma for leading it properly.✊
What did he and the ANC due significantly to improve the lives of BLACK South Africans? He looked out for Indians. I'm referring to Zuma, not Madiba.
Point of correction , " His Excellency The President of the Republic of South Africa leads the congregation into revolutionary song at the funeral service of Nelson Mandela"
Thank you for the correction
Yes 🙌
His excellency is in prison.
And you were saying
There's nothing controversial on this song.
Black people back to Africa.
@Bantze Hotep And do you know why they don't want to go back? Because they were born there, lived there their whole lives like their ancestors that have been there for hundreds of years. It has nothing to do with your false argument that Europe is a bad place to live in. South Africa is a less developed country than all of the Central and Western European countries, including the post-communist ones. I would even argue that most of the Eastern European countries are doing better than SA as well. We have milions of black Africans living in different European countries. Why is that? Because they know they are much better off here than in any African country, SA included. I have nothing againts them living here peacefully, provided they don't cause any trouble and are willing to submit to our values and ways of life. And if I am to be honest, they really have no real right to be here, they were not born here, their ancestors have never lived here for hundreds of years, they are only here because of our benevolence. Why can't you show the same kind of benevolence to you white neighbours, when they have a lot bigger claim on the country than African people living here ever had as far as living in Europe is concerned. Last thing you should consider, you in fact don't want the white farmers to leave your country, unless of course you don't want to starve to death, and I believe you don't.
@Bantze Hotep I dont think the lands which they now own has originally been in the hands of black African people in the first place.
@@lukasbartl7740 it belonged to who land police?
@@lukasbartl7740 wow really, ignorance in this 😑
Our president is a good singer... Just listen to his voice
😂😂
Just in case you don't know what the song says let me translate it:
We, the black nation
We are lamenting for our land.
Our Land which was seized by the Whites
Chorus:
We say, Let them leave our Land x3
Verse2
The children of Africa are mourning,
Mourning for their land.
Their Land which was seized by the Whites.
Thanks brother
bobby shabangu When whites firstly came into SA they just made refuelling stations, nothing more, they didn't seize anything, then they started to seize uninhabited lands, and then, shamefully, they taken most of your lands. It is not the same.
***** When I grew up I used to read in a history class that Dr David Livingston discovered the Victoria falls. I knew something was wrong with statement but I didn't know how to prove it until my grandfather told me that Livingston didn't discover a thing. He was the first European to see the Victoria falls not discover. In fact when the white man came he rewrote my history, introduced boarders then gave me the bible and told me that the lands where my cattle were grazing were unhibited and they belong to him now.
***** but who thought you our history ?
Mazwi Mnguni Books and personal researches of both "sides" trying to make history theirs.
Anyone comment about the wonderful choir backing up the president. Aint they just wonderful?
I love south Africans natural beauty an their love of their culture and their pride as Africans, i can say they are Africans who are proud to be Africans, long live their spirits
Thank you brother
i dont see anything wrong with the song. i understand each and every verse.
There is a big mistake: this song is a protest against the injustice.
even though I'm from West Africa I have always loved this song, Mandela & biko
+Fredericka Rowland x I am African-Native American. This is my first time hearing this song. It is inspiring. RESPECT.
Fredericka Rowland West Africa? As in South West Africa (Namibia)?
Prins van Oranje no freetown, sierra leone
Fredericka Rowland He was my neighbour and a selfish sellout. I know him personally and not through T.V as many.
Am Nigerian and I love this song and can relate to it
I had known this song from the film Amandla! and do not understand how it could be "controversial." It says "our children cry because white people took our land; may it be returned to the people." It is a remembrance of WHY there was a struggle in the first place. It is obviously in the style of a prayer hymn, a prayer that one day all things will be straightened out as they should be. This is the same as "We shall overcome" and the Christian prayer for the Kingdom of God on earth.
+Dennis Maher Please think a bit. You must choose a side. You must choose if ppl do own land, or do not. If they do ppl actually should have the same rights being white black yeloow or blue stripes. If they not own land then every thing is to everyone. If you say.
This is the same question for international borders. Is just a human concept. It actually dont exist. We humans invented it. But you must see that no one does anything about it even if they are black or white leaders.
Are we so much different then? Probably not. You have the same right to claim for what it's yours as other ppl. Many africans fleed from africa to europe along the years. This music has no logic to me. There are africans all around the world. Should they go all back do africa? We white ppl have to fleed from europe because of white persecution to other white ppl. Not trying to play the victim role here. We are all victims of our own shit.
The ppl holding guns and power should be vanished from earth. They are the real problem. All other's are just poor innocents that try to do their living the best they can. These hate isnt good for humanity. There is plenty of room on Earth for all of us without killing eachother. I doubt there is room for anyone if we keep on fighting.
i think they confuse the song with the "kill the boer one"
True Mr Dennis, thanks for speaking the truth
Thank you sir
So when are we gonna song the song of how the black tribes stole the land from the native Khoi when the black tribes came from Middle Africa
I wish my country Ghana once had a president that can sing like this!
Dear South Africans, no matter the wrong Mr Zuma did, I believe he still has some outstanding positive records that can't be overlooked.
"To forgive is divine and to err is human."
No one is perfect!
Peace be unto Africa!
You had the Father of independence, President Keame Nkrumah, may he continue his Heavenly RIP 🙏🏾🤲🏾👏🏾! He was a visionary. Xuma was a thief. And the ANC has not improved the lives of everday BLACK South Africans. I hope Julius Malema will one day be president, InshaAllah 🙏🏾🤲🏾.
You are right Mr. President Zuma was the best president of the people NOT of the West but for the people. He did so much more than former Presidents Mandela & Mbeki combined. Only critical thinkers acknowledge this. I’m not even Zulu but than man was my President ✊🏾
If President Zuma was not born is just a waste of "NINE WASTED YEARS " He was the by being push by hiden Tribalism and opportunists if you are you are DULL and EMBECILE minded nothing you can see...
Zuma only did wrong in the eyes of white people
This song means a lot to us black 🖤 South African...
What’s the name of the song?
Absolutely beautiful, I can hear it in my soul
@@realballa08thina sizwe
Indeed
Nothing is controversial about this song, it actually is what Tata Mandela would have loved. it is has substantial significance to the history and heritage of Black traditional chiefs (as Mandela was one of them), the political struggle and the greater masses at large. We cannot be expected to bow to the feelings of arrogant Afrikaners who cannot accept the realities of the scourge underwhich black people in Africa at large had to go through. this song is part of the political culture and social identity of the South Africans, both black and white, who understand its context and the meaning of conserving the heritage and social identity of our country.
Never has there been a time where this song is more relevant
2021 I'm still watching this ❤️. we once had a real President
Disagree. What did Zuma do for struggling BLACK South Africans? I'll wait.
Built houses , bridges, schools, universities, hospitals, fought labour brokers. He wasn't perfect yes but the masses weren't forgotten like Ramaphosa who only care about investors etc.
Thanks JZ for singing the Song.
This song literally mourns how colonists stole black African land! How's that controversial?
Rub anyone the wrong? It is my pain that I sing about. The Matter is not resolved!!! Why must I pretend to be a gentleman when I know I am being ransacked. It is time to defend and fight...
Even some Black Americans still sing "Anti-Slavery" song.
Love the song very much! Let's sing these songs to keep remembering where we come from, lest we forget!!!
Still listening in 2021. Great job leading the country in a song that highlights the truth of the past. You honor Mendela by rubbing the comfortable people the wrong way
This is a protest song of a people who were crying for their land. The sad reality is that the message of this song still resonates with some of us today. The land that was stolen from black people has still not been restored back to its rightful owners. There can never be true reconciliation without redress of past imbalances. The enforcement of a collective amnesia on the majority of the people will not work. No matter how long it takes, the land shall be returned to its rightful owners.
blablablabla the end!
8 years later and it's the opposite now
Who are still crying for their land and injustice taking place among farm workers
This song forces people of every race to acknowledge the atrocities committed in the recent past and it is for this reason, that this mournful harrowing song is abhorred by most, because it forces us to face the moments which history would have us forget. But true reconciliation can only be achieved through reflection.
Stop being so angry all the time, God bless you all.
Mosuwe, although I agree with the sentiment of your message, I wonder why bantu people in South Africa have never apologized to the San people for violently driving them of their land. Surely that would be the decent thing to do even though it happened long ago? Could it be that be people prefer to view themselves as victims rather than perpetrators, as it gives them the moral high ground? I think all of us,black and white in SA have been guilty of that.
Weenerempire, First of all you've given me flashbacks with the use of the word "Bantu" direct translation humans or people.
Which is all that black people in this country have ever sought to be Human,
But an elitist minority (Divine law setting them as Guardians of a land allotted to them by Birthright and Conquest) sought to strip us not only of land and natural resources but our dignity, our Humanity.
Secondly your theory is that since everybody is wrong, there is no victim and therefore no crime?
The sad reality is that S.A has had its Truth and Reconciliation Committees, which goes to prove that it is easier to forgive than it is to forget.
No Mosuwe I think you have misunderstood my point. I never said there were no crimes or victims. What I am saying is that your and my ancestors have taken land from other people.
If there are crimes then we are all guilty and should stop pointing fingers at others as if they are the ONLY guilty ones and we are perfect and innocent. This is what I feel many black people tend to do. Because they have predominantly been victims in relatively recent history, they think they are incapable of such behaviour, and even think that they could never do such things themselves. This leaves them with a false sense of their own lack of historical guilt, as well as their current capability for doing wrong. Just look at the corrupt behaviour of most African leaders in the AU at the expense of their own people. Yet they never get held to account, because 'blacks can only be victims'. Not perpetrators.
This is the history of mankind. People acting in their own selfish interest. The reality is that South Africa was not your land when your Nguni ancestors arrived here many centuries ago, just as it was not my ancestors land when they arrived in the 1650's. Both our ancestors TOOK land. The acts are morally equivalent, just seperated by time. Yesterday the head of the San and Khoikhoi organisation in South Africa filed a claim with the government to claim ALL of South African land. What are you going to say to him?
Lastly when my distant ancestor left Europe in 1670 to come to SA, it was because Holland was overpopulated. His driving force was economic. He would likely never have seen a black person before, so I doubt he was wringing his hands with glee at the chance to go and humiliate some black people in Africa. Rather he was desperate for a job. (the same kinds of forces of economics and warfare that caused your Nguni ancestors to be forced to migrate South). When he arrived here he worked as a gardener.... hardly a rich man.
Am I saying all this to say whites never did anything wrong?Absolutey not. What I am simply asking for, is an acknowledgement that black people are capable of, and have historically done similar things.
Thats absolute rubbish. Dont come and use your divide and conquer techniques that have been long used by your ancestors to enslave the entire world. The Khoi people have lived in the western parts of southern Africa. There is no evidence of them living the the KZN and Mpumalanga. Lets not forget that the Khoi people are Africans. unlike settlers who came and killed their way into being oppressors
The commentors are to turnish President Zuma's image but Madiba is happy wherever he is because Zuma sang the song that made him to be arrested.
Mandela was not alone when drafting the TRC and reconciliation.
Controversial?? This song is very relevant considering what Mandela stood for. Its a very very powerful prayer..This woman does not even listen to what Mr Shubane says
and Mr Shubane referring to the message as an irritation to white folk that black people must consider stopping.... irritation? That's what I feel when I drive through old money neighborhoods on my less positive days.
nthabiseng ngoasheng
I have heard that the San people sometimes feel a bit irritated when they go through the areas that migrating Bantu tribes violently took from them. But I guess we we don't talk about that right Nthabiseng? So much nicer to sit on a moral high horse and see yourself as a victim who's ancestors never wronged anyone.
wernerempire that could be some kind of trump card you just pulled. if it weren't for that I do not condone any inhumane methods of "conquering" that our less empathetic counterparts may have used... and if it weren't for what history relates to Me, that the San are very much a part of My bloodline. I am of African descent through and through. We have our history, and we have our own things to atone for. Just like Europe has its own history, and its own things to atone for. Until you see africans colonising europe on its home ground and pointing fingers about any European tribes that were conquered in the rise of your particular ones in a bid to make themselves feel like a small part of the problem: you really would do well to accept your descendant's deeds on this continent without looking to find a way to say: but you did this to those other Africans. It was our land then, we didn't share it nicely like we should have amongst ourselves. It is our land now, you included, because of the grace of some great men and women who have made it so despite their experiences. This new understanding we have, does Not wipe away the past. The people shall sing what is meaningful to them.
Appreciate your opposing inhumane means of conquering. I also agree each group has its own sins to atone for. It seems that in South Africa however we talk and act as if only one group (whites) have anything to atone for. You are a rare person that is willing to admit that black people may ever have done anything wrong. This means many people put themselves on a moral pedestal and don't feel the need for introspection. With regards to your other point. The rise of a pan-African or pan-European identity is a relatively recent phenomenon. Africans and Europeans had tribal identities for a very long time. The rise of the nation state is relatively recent (19th century) as is the concept of a pan- Eurpean identity. So the real issue we are talking about is tribes and or nation states taking land from each other for self enrichment. In that sense what difference is there between a war between the Franks and the Goths and the Zulus and the Xhosa's. Or the Dutch and the Xhosa's. Only the location and the colour of the skins differ. Essentially one group is dispossessing another. Do you consider the Berbers of North Africa to be African? If so the invasion of Spain by Tariq ibn Ziyad from North Africa, started an occupation that lasted 7 centuries. Have people from North Africa apologised for that? In the 16th - 18th century, Africans enslaved 1.5 million White Europeans in the Barbary Slave Trade. African Muslims raided up the coastlines of Europe, as far as Iceland, kidnapping and enslaving White European Christians. The men were galley slaves, and the women were sex slaves. My ancestors came here in 1672, and yet you say that I may only be here or call myself African because of the 'grace' of certain African leaders. These are the same leaders who never appologised for their violence against and dispossesion of non-Bantu/Nguni Africans. Does the same apply to black Africans who emigrate to Europe or America? How do you feel about Asians immigrating here. Are they also only allowed to call themselves South African because of the 'grace' of a black African? You seem like a reasonable person, but I still get the impression that at the end of the day you are still saying Africa for the ethnic black Nguni/Bantu only. All others whites, San, Khoi-Khoi, Asian - are not really wanted or accepted here.
@@wernerempireso are you telling me the san were closer to the white colonizers who exterminated them.
Than the tswanas and the sothos who look almost identical to the san.
You white colonizers must stop the games and the lies.
I love this song.
A remembered moment of history the song of choice was appropriate as Mandela was a reflection of the past and present South Africa 🇿🇦. Thank you Mr President Jacob Zuma
People this are not controversial songs as you say. This are historical songs. They tell us about our struggle and fight for democracy. You only complain when it's done in Africa. Recently Oxford University, a prestigious school taught by renown intellects refuse to remove the statue of Rhode. Why? because they believe it's part of their history. So we will sing our liberation struggle songs where some people feel offended or not.
+STU is the land not Africans? Are we not the true inhabitants of the land? So, you'd be mad if Native Americans sung this song in the US too. Such ignorance. Never discovering always taking.
then can i sing Die Stem?
Kanyanga Eberhard, the song would be less controversial if Zuma had not sung about shooting and killing white people. Also, there are thousands being murdered for their skin color.
the stem isnt controversial either
Thank you
Leave it to CNN International to start some isht. This song was spontaneously sung by supporters outside of the court after the verdict sentencing Nelson Mandela to life in prison was read. It is historical and absolutely appropriate for this gathering.
Do you know any sad, historically appropriate songs mourning the dispossession of the San by the Bantu tribes Daryl?
wernerempire Maybe you would be the best candidate to compose some songs for them Mr Hero. Let it be known that not all white people were evil during Colonisation and Apartheid and in the same breath not all black people have forgiven white people. Finish en klaar! People need to vent, to let out, to let it go! Not at some fast tracked speed that suits the government! Saying Im sorry will not bring back missing family members or limbs! This is what I think about the San vs the 'Bantu'.... All over Africa clans had a way of gaining land and making their armies bigger, by conquering their neighbours' land, women and etc... It was a family thing! Call it black on black violence if you like... But everyone knew how it happened and everyone was willing to fight and protect their land, until the last breath... Then the mess came in their ships and ruined it for everyone! Why couldnt they do it in their own lands? You will forever be bothered by black people because your soul knows what your home is like and where it is and yet you want to recreate it here in Africa, no bhuti go home. Where your elders lie. Khumbulekhaya! Your anger will dissolve. STop playing victim where whites are concerned but Mr Hero for the San people. I am sure that they are more than capable of speaking up. Like us.
So black on black genocide is cool with you. Just as long as it's not the whites doing it. Interesting. No wonder Africa will never be rid of black dictators like Idi Amin and Robert Mugabe oppressing their own people. It's because folks like you think that black on black oppression is a family thing which is just cool. I would urge you to reconsider. Please hold black tyrants to the same standards of accountability you demand from whites.
@@wernerempiregive me evidence mr white man.
Because I never see actual san people spreading hatred on black south africans.
Only white and coloured colonizers who want to divide and conquer.
Black south Africans share a similar Capoid ancestor with the khoi and san.
They are our brothers and sisters.
OH! A global icon, Hero of the nation, He made himself a ransom for South Africa to be a better place. No patriot that we can compare with him.
Controversial for who, indeed the land must be left alone, it indeed belongs to no man alone ...
Listened to the song 5 times already,i'm yet to hear controversy in the song,nc nc nc nc now every Tom, Dick, and Harry happens to have a say about our Country
Indeed this is a great song and must remembered. It is not contravention
This song is more like a prayer song to us black people....Please leave black people alone
It will never be controversial to all of us South who knows South African History .It is a reminder and the lesson to all who want to know the story of Blacks during the colonization.
What a humble song by my president 👌👍
Puppets we see you!
What's controversial about this song?
This song is not controversial, he's just stating the plain truth
Controversial or not.....we'll continue singing it
The comment made by the female anchor about the song being inappropriate annoys me to the high heavens. Wanting reconciliation and inclusiveness doesn't mean that we need to act like everything is okay, hold hands and sing kumbaya. We might be free from apartheid rule but we are still oppressed economically...we are still on the back foot. Of course WE WANT OUR LAND BACK.
Surely President Msholozi you've been purposed and you have envisioned for the return of black man's land and truly you will prophesy that till your last breath as a Pan Africanist.
Salute Baba, surely some of your works go ahead of you and some follow behind you.
Damn Juma - what a voice😀
Nothing controversial about this song at all. It remains relevant as long as long as land remains in those thugs.
There can never be any compromise until the land is returned. If somebody breaks into your house,comes back and apologize, the best way to start that apology is to return the stolen goods then we talk about reconciliation. In fact there was never any genuine reconciliation without the subject of land reforms being at the core of those discussions.
We still want our Land from the boers
We are the sons of the soil, #HumbleAfrican
+Phila PJ Ncwane < Makes sense, I always wondered where the color came from.
+Phila PJ Ncwane Actually in South Africa at least wouldn't that be white people? Boer, Farmer, person of the land
Rhandza Mangwane South Africa would still be populated by barefoot, hut dwelling Zulus if the Whites hadn't shown up. If you get rid of them all, your infrastructure will collapse. Zimbabwe tried it, they went from being "the breadbasket of Africa," down to subsistence level farming. Now, they're begging the Whites to return. qz.com/458137/mugabe-is-asking-back-the-white-farmers-he-chased-away/
Rhandza Mangwane There's no mention of China in the Torah either, so? Africa didn't teach the West much, nor did Africans develop the modern technologies we depend on. If Africans ruled the world, we'd still be in the Stone Age. Barefoot hut dwellers.
***** you must be slow or illiterate, wait you're probably both. The technology you depend on is a recent thing, non of it existed in 23 B.C. The Torah carries history beyond 2000 B.C. The study of the oldest wonder of the world is Egyptology which has given your people careers as Egyptologists, they spend all their lives studying what our ancestors built; can be found in the Torah as well.
Besides the African slaves were responsible for most of the innovations which were credited to their captors. It's basic son, the captor of the golden goose owns the golden egg the golden goose egg lays.
You answer me this; why did the Europeans who invaded the US and took the land of the Native Americans not make those Native Americans their slaves. Why did they specifically go to West Africa, where the great Timbuktu was situated where the great Mansa Musa was, the home of civilization?
I don't know why people offended by this song. Its time to take back what is rightfully there's. I salute the Great Ledgend Mr Nelson Mandela " Its seems impossible until it is done and it is done"
Great Ann! So you're saying the San should take back the land from white and bantu people. I'm with you girl!
I want to learn this song. I must learn this song. I want to learn the song for itself, but if it irritates white settlers and refuses to accept land theft by whites of African lands: I am OBLIGED to learn it. The revolution has not been concluded.
These CNN commentators can rot
+Lowell Denny Hey I'm white and for me it's totally okay. It's just about the history. Nobody actually thinks it should be the case today.
***** Yeah that's just some of them. Not all black people work together or are the same brah.
***** Lol I never said the murders or White genocide was okay. Just that not every black person does it
***** Neither side is in te right, Let's just forget about the past and move on as equals.
lala lova And which side is that?
Mistep?That young lady doesn't know what those Africans have been through.Sing on,folks.
Real RESPECT for the man.
We love you msholozi✊🏻
This is a very powerful song! And yes it is sung when a freedom fighter is being laid to rest. I am 110% Zulu. And I will gladly translate the song you'll
The song is called "Thina Sizwe"/ us as the nation (the black nation to be precise)
Thina sizwe esim'nyama( we as the black nation), sikhalela izwe lethu( we cry or weep for our country or land), elathathwa abamhlophe (that was taken from us by the white oppressors...
Mabaw'yeke umhlaba wethu- (they must leave our country or land alone)!............................
how is this song controversial?? The lyrics are only facts, vele the truth hurts!
philile mchunu Thank you for translating. I've heard the song before,but being an American black, didn't know the words. Beautiful truth!
philile mchunu also, unfortunately many people still do not understand European colonialism and imperialism and its effect it is still having today.
Dont even bother translating for them. Why should we learn their langauges while they dont learn ours
How about the controversy of a black men having to pay more money for land in urban areas while the takers are having it at less cost n less interest rate?
This was beautiful!!
Ngiyalithanda lelihubo(Love this hymn)
Best song for 2013 and beyond
The struggle of our land continues...
MK Party u are our last hope..
We demand our Land back Now
This is no where a song like this is inappropriate for this occasion. May they be reminded that Mandela lived this era and that was a perfect song to sing at the time. Get over yourselves people of ignorance.
So this Media has been always like this..... He sang this ong because even the original idea only Mandela has was always about land, and how can this song be rubbing people the wrong way? People who to this day have never been sorry for killing our people, they speak of reconciliation, what are we reconciling really...Even so in any occasion , it is effective and necessary to remind people of the original struggle of the liberation movement and this song is perfect in this occasion.
I disagree with Mr. Shubane, who seems to suggest that in the next reconciliation, Black South Africans should stop singing the song because it irritates Afrikkaners. Tough. Apartheid did a lot more than irritate Blacks and Coloreds - it killed thousands of them in the name of racial superiority.
+royalcourtier Lol
The only President that is humble enough to sing.
They sure can sing!!
Black people not speaking the truth of the injustice we suffered and suffer is the real problem. Imagine trying to make the people who stole your land uncomfortable by stating the truth. This brother is still under the influence of apartheid fearing baas
Controversial ??
So even people who are oppressed feel that a song that tells the reality of the Black people is controversial.... shit we are loosing the intellectual battle.
There's nothing controversial about that song. They're 💯 correct in singing that song because their land was indeed stolen by people who were not even from the African continent. If the Native Indigenous people here were singing a similar song, they would be absolutely correct and exact. The same goes for our Palestinian Brothers and Sisters.
Oh come on people, there is nothing inapropriate in president Zuma singing this song. He is singing it in memory of his comrad, its not intended to offend anyone but as a reminder of what Rolihlahla Mandela and others like him rescued us from. This idea that black people must refrain from saying things that will rubb people the wrong way is just stupid. Reconciliation is not about forgerting the past. We have forgiven, but we will not forget; these songs are part of the very fabric of our journey to freedom, if anyone is offended by them its too bad.
Anthony VersterI don't give a shit what you call us. That's a reflection on you, not on black people. The song doesn't advocate violence, its actually a call to the apartheid government to stop the violence and treat everyone the same. If you think democracy is a shitty plan, then you have a serious problem. We already spent spent 300 years in subjugation, shame on us if we still avoid doing things because we don't want to offend some white supremacist idoiots.
Anthony Verster but at the end of the day 80% of african land is still on EUROPIAN hands.....so that is ok with you???
Anthony Verster You are so CLUELESS. You must notice that all the African leaders who took care of black people's interest after the struggle against the White man always end up being called dictators, bad rulers and all that negative stuff. In reality, white people still possess the wealth and resources they stole during Colonisation and in the South African context, during colonisation and Apartheid. Therefore, when black governments get into power, they have to adress the imbalance of wealth by taking back the land, nationalising the mines, health, education and sometimes agriculture. When this happens, white people hate it and the so called powers of the world do everything in their power to make it look like we cannot rule ourselves. So the failing of African economies is not because black leaders cannot rule, it is because they genuinely take care of the black man's interests which is something America,and Britain HATE very much.
If I could I'd throw a middle finger @ this reporter😡
Zuma talks LEFT but walks RIGHT.
nipho91 The whole bloody ANC
Arguably one of the most prolific moments of his presidency.
Ain’t nothing controversial about this song coz it’s the truth
yah, the impact of apartheid will never be forgetten
That's why your country is going down the drain and all their Parliament!
He sang it very well. Zuma is a good singer
Controversal for Who????
Please the name of the song???? i really want to download it
Thina Sizwe
On of the Best moments in our lifetime
What's wrong with this song???
Absolutely nothing.
AfircaUhuru777 still stuck in the dark comrade?
phoenixrising427 If knowing our history and having an intimate understanding of its effects to be able to come up with solutions for the future even beyond my own lifetime is being stuck in the dark, then i am not only stuck i am entrenched. Question, if that is being in the dark, what would being in the light be?
+Musa Zwane What's wrong with your heads?
are you so ignorant?
now when i grow up i understand how American destroys our country this songs means a lot for us
hardly a controversial song.
This song makes me sad and llok and wonder where did we go wrong. President Zuma has sung this song wonderfully and brought back the wounds of the apartheid. Thank you Msholozi.
So beautiful a song....indeed sorrowful.
oh! the son of soil, thank you tata, South Africa lost, icon, Patriot and our hero, you remind us back.
This song is not controversial. Black people want their land back. How is this controversial?
***** OMG you're disgusting!
gmccall22 are you happy after saying that? Did it make you sleep better at night? For your information, I do not entertain people who think like you, continue my guy. I feel sorry for the poor dog that you have trained, I feel pitty for you. I hope you will gain some wisdom some day!
***** Oh really? You are a funny person!
***** Really? You must have felt good about yourself, didn't you?
***** All you need is the lord in your life.
There's nothing wrong and nothing controversial with singing this song
What's controversial about the song. It's the truth moos..
It causes irritation to the land thieves not to natives.
I was surprised to hear Dutch settler calling themselves Afrikaner, they must be living in fantasy land. In all my sixteen years living in Holland as African immigrant i hear the story of Jan van Reebek who came from Zeeland and working for the most powerful Dutch imperial shipping institution where on his way to India, eventually arrived in Kaap Stad or Cape cost in English and he fell in love with the area, and this lead to mass migration of Dutch from Zeeland to South Africa. Later the Dutch fabricated their own history and claimed they are there before the native black people of South Africa, the European fabricated every history of the land the take over from indigenous people throughout the planet, either they say they discover the country or their the owner of the land. I have nothing against the European, i am only against their denied of other people existence long before their arrival to the land the called home. Immigration have been happening throughout history of mankind noting new in that, but the must respect the native people the met and treat them with dignity not exterminating them as they did throughout history.
***** We know throughout the history of European, anywhere they went to go and settle they will rewrite the history of the place, are you now telling me the Zulu, Xhosa, Ndebele, San, Penda to mention few are new to that area of the continent, the inhabit for thousands of years long before the European arrived to Azania. There is powerful Kingdom in that area of the continent. They European arrived in America they say they discover it, They they discover Mao a tunya a fall in between Zimbabwe and Zambia, then they name it Victoria fall, they discover source of Hapi the name Nile. As widely traveled African that have leave part of my adult life in west, i understand the fantasy of the people of west about claiming glory of other.
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that's false information sir, please redo your research.
Eniola Apata Its true that the blacks arrived in South Africa 1st, however the dutch were there before many of the tribes that came later, such as the Tswana.
The only people who have more of a right than those Dutch settlers to call themselves South African are the San people who were already in SA for a realtively long duration. None of the Xhosas and Zulus and Vendas and Ndebeles etc came into the southern parts of South Africa from up north until roughly the same time as the Dutch moved through the Western and Eastern Capes where they first met around the fish river area. So if you want to tell the white people to go back to Europe then you should go back to central Africa because that's where you came from. We don't have time for your double standards here
Rowan Angelbeck I leaved in Holland for sixteen years, and i integrated into the Dutch society, i married Dutch with families in South Africa, I hear the Story of Jan Van Rebeek, how he left Holland, when he was working Royal Netherlands cargo company. So stop tell this craps your talking the Dutch came to South Africa. Can you tell me any country in central Africa where Zulu, Xhosa, Vendas, Ndebeles are spoken apart from Southern part of Africa, where these language are spoken for thousands of years long before the white settler came and change the history and said they are there before the native. No where else apart from South Africa where Zulu, Xhosa are speaking language. I am from not South Africa, but i am the native son of the soil of Africa, and historian living for over twenty five years in diaspora. They only language spoken in central Africa are Baka, Bakongo,Kinbundu,Bassa, Bameleke. And the story invented by European settler in southern Africa, is not new many Story were invented throughout the world by European settler in anywhere the settle. They don't to hear the truth, because the think they are master of the world. I am not racist but we must all stand up for truth, as human family we have right to leave in anywhere we want to leave, but we must respect the native right and their existence, we must never denial civilization of others. Because every human race have their own history, geographical location, culture
No leadership would have sang this song. President Zuma was very brave to sing it in this gathering...
I thought they were gonna sing the "kill the boer" song, which would've been pretty fucked up, but in this case, I honestly can't tell what's so "contreversial" about it.
The song unites us and is not controversial at all. We must remind each other that many of us are landless because of apartheid and colonialism. When we sing "Shosholoza" to cheer the springboks, they forget exactly what the song is about and pretend it's our 2nd national anthem. Izwe Lethu!
Controversy my ass, this is a struggle song.
Controversial?! Get outta here! It's a song to move mountains.
Never take offence to the word karffi : it only means non- believer. The same people using that word don't know the meaning, how great is that.... Talk about uncultured people.
+Fred Pons Hello Swine, the original Kaffir.
+Irvin Makhaye I think this Fred Pons guy is ether a troll, or someone meant to portray
a racist white south african as I have seen him comment in almost every
thread on this video and several others.
+The peace maker i bet that fred isn't either black or white. he seems more like a dog to me.