THE Y2K CURSE | How Nu Metal Killed 90's Alternative Music
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- In this episode we'll discuss what I call the Y2k Curse which was the death of 90's Alternative Bands like Live, Cake, Tonic, etc.
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Well, “Live” did give themselves the least searchable band name of all time...
Google didn't really exist then...
Tool gives them a run for their money though!
Sorry to correct you, but it's pronounced "Live".
Lol nice, even though I love them. Based on a true story.
I saw Live in Kansas City in 2019. They are still around just playing smaller venues like Casinos.
Day after Y2K: every station in KC played Prince's "1999" for a week straight, and when they finally stopped, all the stations had changed their formats. The weirdest part was that no one seemed to notice but me. I would ask people what they thought about, what was to me, this HUGE shift, and all I ever got as an answer were these heads cocked sideways like confused dogs. They simply hadn't noticed that the Flaming Lips etc had just been replaced by the Backstreet Boys etc, en masse and across the country. Like invasion of the body snatchers or something. Thanks for addressing these issues, Rick. I seriously felt alone in noticing these things. Your perspective and information are most appreciated.
bro I got curious do you have more about this?
Similar thing happened on jan 1 1990.. other than a lucky few acts that were able to navigate the crossing out of the 80s.. no hair band could even get their calls returned by the guy booking acts for the county fair. People were just done with it... the glam and excess suddenly seemed old and contrived.
I had to hit the thumbs up button after your Invasion of the Body Snatchers comment. So true.
There was a time during the 90's when The Breeders were in regular rotation on Z100, the main "hits" stations in NYC. The format didn't last until 2000, maybe until '97 or so, with a brief crossover to the more Third Eye blind "post grunge" style of bands, but I remember thinking it was incredible this happened when up until around '92 it was the realm of Phil Collins and Whitney Houston.
When the boy bands started getting pushed that was indeed the end of rock on "hits" radio, and it's basically never come back except maybe for the occasional tune.
I was there, I remember. 96.5 was alt, 93.3 was pop and 98.9 was metal. Its like you were a part of one of those stations or nothing.
The fact that a band like Cake got tons of radio play tells you just how crazy diverse the 90s music industry was
I'd say Alternative radio was diverse in the early 90's (up to about 1993). From around 1993 and on, the format was favoring grunge or harder rock edged music.
I'm surprised REM wasn't mentioned among the casualties! Something we don't talk enough about 90's alt-rock is how wonderfully ORGANIC/roots-y it was. So much Hammond B3, maybe a little mandolin, etc. When that scene died, pop music lost those organic elements, besides maybe some John Mayer, and anything country-ish.
That said, as a big fan of heavy music, it's fun now to reminisce about Nu-Metal decades later. I quickly got swept up in the craze in 1998 as a 12 year-old, but by 2001, "Nu-Metal" became quite the dirty-word/insult/punchline among metalheads until "emo" blew up ~2005-06. Looking back though, I can't deny the *massive* influence Nu-Metal had in shaping my taste in heavy music, even if I would never listen to it nowadays. Thanks, Rick!
I wouldn't call R.E.M. a part of the 90's alternative rock movement. They had been around since the 80's and they were alternative rock before it was even called that. Back in the 80's they were considered college rock.
Rick's shirt really ties the room together.
Yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man.
LOL
yeah, it rly does
"RUclips pee'd on my fuckin' shirt, man!"
This y2k curse will not stand, man...
I'd add Oasis survived the curse as well. They just couldn't survive each other.
I don't get why people keep shitting on them. Yeah, many songs weren't that original (which they always admitted). But they were definitely one of the most punk bands out there, even though their music wasn't punk.
@@voodoo194 I was always a casual fan until about 5yrs ago the RUclips algorithm took me on a ride through all of their B-Sides and now they are top 5 for me easy.
@@rogueleader5 absolutely. For me they're one of the last real Rockbands. Watch the Supersonic doc, if you haven't. They're just some real dudes. I think their british idgaf attitude just flew over the heads of many americans who thought they were just pricks.
They probably did in Britain but not really in the US
Besides Wonderwall sadly
@@voodoo194 Not sure why people assume Oasis was not a gigantic deal here in the US...they were rather undisputedly among the 'biggest' things here at that time, with non-stop MTV & radio rotation. It's not like a Robbie Williams type of thing -- who missed his window by about a decade to peddle that schtick in America. Oasis, Blur & Radiohead were all huge around that similar timeframe, but Oasis clearly ruled the roost, unfortunately. And yes I do say 'unfortunately'. None of those bands are in my personal musical wheelhouse, but without a doubt I'd vastly prefer Radiohead or even Blur over that vapid 'adult contemporary' schlock-rock from Oasis.
Then again if I wanted music from across the pond that was ACTUALLY important to me, that of course would be (and should be): This Heat, Joy Division, My Bloody Valentine, The Wedding Present, Mogwai, etc.
I'm happily stuck in the 90s 🥰 I still make mixed CDs (lol) and every day on my commute to uni, I listen to my 90s playlists: Soundgarden, AIC, RATM, STP, Faith No More, Greenday, Offspring, Filter.
Best era of music, hands down! 🎵
You forgot the curse of Silverchair and they said they would make it up to you in the year 2000
Diorama, from 2002, is a fantastic album, but got no attention. People had moved on.
They are such an interesting story to me. The lead singer has one of the greatest voices of all time but they came around at a terrible time, and tried to be something they weren't (like a Coldplay type) and that killed them.
You mean the singer who had anorexia from stress and arthritis so had to quit for a while?
Their album with the orchestra still is so amazing to listen to, to this day. Electric Ballroom I think it is called?
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 Neon Ballroom
As someone who works in IT I just wanted to say: The Y2K bug was a SERIOUS issue. The only reason "nothing happened" was because there were millions of dollars and thousands of work hours put into upgrading systems so that nothing would happen. It's entirely a myth that the bug was blown out of proportion. The risks were very real and very dangerous and it was a world wide concerted effort that kept things functional going into the new millennium. This is a perfect case of "If you do your job well, people won't know you've done anything at all."
Basically it's what happens when experts are given the time and money to solve a problem.
It was probably the last global expert endeavor pre-COVID.
It’s also a good example of a global problem being solved by actually WORKING on the problem and not just pointing fingers and shrugging shoulders 🤷♂️. I feel like if Y2K were happening this year we’d all be screwed.
„There is no glory in prevention!“
But why couldn't things still function? Just because the year changed from 1999 to 2000??
@@AllTheCoolNamesAreTaken84 in the simplest possible terms, due to the way dates were represented and processed in code, the year wasn’t changing from 1999 to 2000, it was changing from 99 to 0.
I am forever telling everyone how the Telecommunications Act was the worst thing to ever happen to popular music.
More like the monopoly act
It's all about big businesses donating to political campaigns or the "foundations" of a politicians wife or family member. The same thing is happening right now. How many little stores were closed in the name of public health? Walmart, Target, Costco, and the major supermarket chains are still open. That's because they have the most money to make the biggest donations. It's not about public health, it's about greed.
@@baltax11 INDEED. People are like the 90's were so great, I am like, not if you even paid a little attention below the surface.
@@jontowers6780 I totally talk about this as well. We are losing the fight big time and even myself has had to use big box consumerism more than I am comfortable with because of Covid. It really gets under my skin and I can't wait for this to be over. Small business is something that we need for people with not affluent backgrounds to have a shot in this rigged and over praised beyond critique economic structure.
@@megazillion2946 Hate to break it to you, but it aint ever gonna be over, were just getting started.
Cake is still so f'ing good. A singular band. Nobody was like them or has been since.
Right there with you man.
Right! They've always been as fresh and unique and clever and great, and despite having numerous mainstream modest hits over years and years... It's surprising they don't have a bigger more vocal fanbase than they do. I fear the novelty/quirkiness factor overshadows the formidable songwriting and serious musicianship. The fact I've not once seen Gabe Nelson listed among the elite influential bass players is all the proof I need to confirm that this world is indeed cruel, random, and capricious and that justice doesn't exist, nothing is fair, and pretty much everything is pointless and stupid and also sucks. Which is a bummer. On the bright side, there are six full-length Cake albums chock full of the sickest, nastiest, groovenest, funky funky bass parts you could ever want.
Cake and Flaming Lips
Cake was very underrated
Yet they continue to be be political shills for the party that phased them out.
Great video. Man, that took me down memory lane!
Right? No kidding
The fact that the the major Media outlets in America went from being owned by 50 companies in 1983 to SIX(!) in 2011 should be absolutely bone-chilling.
Everyone complains about the tech giants now, but they're just benefiting from the loosening of enforcement of competition standards over the the course of decades. I never thought to associate this with the increasing homogenization of music, but it certainly makes sense. It's happening right now with movies too.
and fake news was born! 1996 Telecommunications Act signed into law by Bill Clinton
@@jasonboness3871 I'm not sure what fake news has to do with it, but okay...
@Luke It's not just those sectors. It's every sector. 10 companies control the food industry.
I heard it put this way before the 80s ended in 92 the '90s ended in '98.
@@redskullz1249 Are you that ignorant?
Also important to note the split between Alternative and what would become Indie Rock around this time. Between 1999-2001, records like Modest Mouse's Moon and Antartica, Radiohead's Kid A, The Strokes This Is It were all coming out, and a few years later Arcade Fire, Yeah Yeah Yeahs and LCD Soundsystem would get big. But these bands were driven by music blog on the internet like Pitchfork and not radio play. I remember in 2002 the rock stations were still playing Papa Roach and Incubus, but all cool kids were listening to Interpol, Wilco and Spoon on their iPods - which were also released in 2001. Maybe it wasn't just consolidation in radio, but the end in relevance in radio?
Nu-metal made alt-rock radio so bad I started listening to R&B pop stations. 50 Cent, Eminem, Shakira, Beyoncé... at least that all had a nice beat and those artists weren’t screaming at me.
All great bands should be kept in a hush ,,, he’s talking about the real “ sellouts”
If we could settle in enough and appreciate what we have we'd be straight. We'd have more songs like 'Closing Time'.There's too much in our society that makes us hyped to something small and sleak and synthetic. Makes us precious, dammit
Korn is like a lot of bands w an element to their sound. They have domestic escapism and catharsis. Depeche Mode's atmosphere is that of pure romance. Metallica --war, machine guns. Elements are long lasting and so are they
Korn is also kill porn ,, the little Xcitement in violence ,, that today is comical
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Rick, love that you gave a shoutout to The Verve - I feel like A Storm In Heaven is a criminally underrated album... and holy cow Nick McCabe as a guitarist...!
Things got REAL corporate. Especially those Eddie Vedder clones.
Bothered me beyond belief ... for 5 years every time i am near a radio some guy is going YEE aa ah . then there were the bar bands with singers doing this on every song , ruining so much innocent music .those chain wallet grease balls all bought the creed album the same day it came out . they all have bad
tribal tattoos as well .
@@peteytwofinger as someone es who got a shitty tribal tattoo in 1999 I feel personally attacked.
Lol
I call it the underbite sound.
Woodstock 99 validates your statement...
I call it mumble grunge
It wasn't a subgenre that killed "grunge". It was the record industry, itself. They didn't know when to quit. They signed everybody with facial hair and a sad song. They went for quantity over quality.
the same thing that killed nu-metal after that :D
@@nielsB_FPV Yep. It's the same old cycle.
Something gets popular, the industry jumps on it, starts repackaging it in more and more commercially friendly ways till there's nothing left of it but an empty shell and an image, plug it to death till everyone's sick of it and wait for the next big thing.
@@iamcode.4 also nu-metal was frigging exciting at first, like nothing else before it!
Yeah, watch Billy Corgan on Joe Rogan. He talks a lot about what went down in the 90s with the Industry.
Yup! Same with 80s rock. Grunge didn't kill "hair metal". "Hair metal" killed 80s metal. When labels started signing everyone with big hair and spandex who sang about banging Chicks backstage, the genre got watered down. It ruined itself. The market was saturated and people got tired. In every genre, the bands who carry on are the ones who were genuine to the genre. The band's from the 80s who were authentic can still do shows and make a living, because they weren't fabricated. Same with bands from the grunge era, and why Counting Crows can still play big stages. Every era has their OGs and their posers. And the labels were great at always watering down the good liquor just to make profit. 😤
Wow! what a list of great bands that didn't make it through. You little named all of my favorite bands. They may not have made it through in the commercial sense, but I got all of those bands locked in on my play list! Great Video Rick. Interesting observation. Love the channel!
I also love the Throwing Copper album from live. I bought the CD back then and listened to it in the car. 25 years and few cars later, the CD is still in there. I still enjoy listening to it. Great album👍🏻
I Alone is a burner!
Important element: Napster and the internet. The rise of mp3s was a direct backlash to that corporate control of what people were hearing. Post-communications act, what people heard felt extremely controlled. A lot of the bands you listed were mid to late 90s bands, the waves of music after grunge that was largely middle of the road quality. Labels were making one hit bands and selling a ton of singles, while also tricking the public into the album sales. Not a great amount of quality albums in that period, but plenty of one hit wonders. Those bands may have had more than one single chart, but nobody can remember what those songs were. They were carefully released onto radio and then normally tied into movies or commercials. It was painfully obvious how controlled everything was.
Just some examples, from working record stores at the time: Sugar Ray's first hit was a Sublime vibe song. The rest of the album was entirely Nu Metal. People kept returning the album. Sugar Ray changed their whole sound only to have the plug pulled on them when radio stations went all Nu Metal. Jewel has a great album, but it was not high production. They redproduced her album and put the new productions into films. She charted high largely after her release. They had to rerelease her album with the new production because the consumers wanted the movie versions. Basically making one album sell twice per consumer.
And then mp3s get loose on the internet and you could find music for yourself. Changed a great many things.
sugar ray did nu metal???
The Sugar Ray albums "Lemonade and Brownies" and "Floored" sound basically nothing like their albums that came after. "Floored" is a great album and I highly recommend checking it out.
Mark McGrath straight up admits the band sold out hard. They got such big radio airplay from "Fly" which wasn't originally even going to be on the "Floored" album and ended up being such a huge hit for them they changed their sound to match it.
Think what element the successful bands present. Elements are long lasting and so are they
Sugar Ray's last famous commercial song When It's Over is very appropriate for this topic.
@Kit Duguay I've long wondered if one day I would ever come across another person in the world who is also aware of Road Rash 64 and the bonkers soundtrack. Finally, I now know, there are indeed others like myself and I walk this path perhaps not as alone as I once believed.
This is one of the only times I’ve ever heard anyone discuss Live. So huge when I was in college, and then nothing.
Secret samadhi killed their career, just insufferable to listen to during drivetime in the car.
@@cdubranslam The Album after that was good as well and even easily digestable. It went downhill with the one after that, named "V" in my opinion
Live and Bush had a pretty big tour a few years ago
@@cdubranslam Secret Samdhi was pretty good, I like a lot of songs on it. I just think as they went on they didn't have enough variety to their sound and everything started to sound the same.
One of my favorites, I saw Live on the Throwing Copper tour and again just a couple years ago. Yes, Throwing Copper was a huge album. Secret Samadhi, less favorable overall, but has some great songs, including one of my favorite Live tunes, Turn My Head. The Distance To Here is an excellent album and shows continued growth in their songs writing. V has some excellent songs as well.
Excellent and very interresting video! Great angles! Thx!
You're mentioning a lot of great bands from the 90s. Thanks for the memories.
"They wish they were Korn, "I" wish they were Korn." That's hilarious. Consolidation and centralization kills everything. Back in the day a radio DJ could make a band successful. Just keep playing their records. But the 2000s was all about every station playing the same songs.
@@WithScienceAsMySheperd Hahahaha, classic little ditty. Thanks for bringing it to memory.
"Consolidation and centralization kills everything. "
Bingo. True in music, true in business, true in everything, especially politics. The bigger and more DC centric this nation becomes, the less free we are. Fat cats love to consolidate power and rule by fiat, whatever the industry, program or institution.
I have to give credit for Radio 104.5 in Philly for making Of Monsters and Men big in America by playing "Little Talks" non-stop. Yes it's a bit of an overplayed cliché now but at the time it was a quirky and endearing little indie tune that people looked forward to hearing.
Or a record label guy with a band's record and an 8-ball for the Program Director...
Back in the early 90s, I took a communications course taught by Donna Halper (She's been involved with radio for eons and had a large hand in breaking Rush to US radio.) The stories she told about what went on in the 60s and 70s in radio were pretty interesting.
@@WithScienceAsMySheperd So unbelievably perfect. The really sad thing is I can name every song that it is parodying and not ironically either...
I remember early 2000s when the only rock radio station in my city became a reggaeton station over night. No warning. It was devastating.
Oh man! For some reason we all have one of those mine was a full-blown Rock and roller that went sports talk and an AM rocker with a rock and roll edge that went classic hits. There's just something about hearing classic rock and roll on am that really sounds cool to me.
In 2004 (ish) only Alternative radio station in my country became a pop station overnight. That station even had its own fan club and a large following, so loooots of kids got pissed.
@@daleonov kind of reminds me of a certain y100 I wasn't one of the ones that was into it at the time but brother did everybody go absolutely ape when that sucker turned into rap! Even though I wasn't really into it I knew a ton of people who were and the second I heard that I was like, uh-oh.
@@daleonov there was even a petition signed by millions that was flat ignored.
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and Morphine. Mark Sandman died in 1999 and that ended 90's music for me.
Thanks for doing what you do 🖤🤙🎸🎶 really good learning experience!
I remember when the telecommunications act passed. It effectively killed radio with personality and character, and dispensed with whatever airs and aspirations to artistic and aesthetic credibility radio had left. Streaming finished the job. I worked at a rock station and an "alternative" rock station from 1996-2000. Got out just in time...
Sadly the playlist today is so narrow its sad. The DJ's cannot simply play what they want anymore. It's the same old 90's hit tunes with an occasional new band. It killed not only rock radio but college radio too. College stations used to be THE place to hear alternative bands. A few years ago one of our local DJ's was fired for sneaking in a Motor Head song.
Yeah the telecommunications act passed and a lot of the classic rockers at the time in my area suddenly started playing around the dial by The kinks.
Now it's a voice that degrades the radio station and an MP3 CD's worth of music maybe too if you're lucky and a bunch of DJs that sound like they could be literally anywhere else on the planet having a better time there are certain exceptions but not many.
Yep by the mid 90's radio stations were going broke.
Luke The alternative station I worked out was independently owned, one of the first and most respected alternative stations in the country. We were one of the last hold outs as far as letting the DJs have a semblance of personality and having a say in their own programming. Eventually, like so many, we were bought out (in 2000!) by a bigger entity, and the homogenization and bastardization of the station began in earnest. Now the frequency is a country station, I think...
great video Rick! I loved the late 90's of rock that seemed to disappear overnight with the new millenium
After he mentioned 311 being a band that didn’t do much after the 2000’s, I stopped listening, 311 DAY STARTED THE YEAR 2000. In 2020, they were supposed to go on a 50 state tour for being a band for 30 years. I went to 2 of their concerts and the last time they had a normal concert ( Covid-19)was 3/11/20 in Las Vegas and then in November 2020 they did a drive in concert. And in 2019, they had a movie in selected theaters. They also have comic books, their own cruise and a faithful fan base. 311 FOREVER .... Nick Hexum is still sexy
Its comming back with machine gun Kelly, jinjer, Slipknot, Lil huddy... And a lot more
@@heatheraucoin5832 Well clearly you missed his whole point.
If we could settle in enough and appreciate what we have we'd be straight. We'd have more songs like 'Closing Time'.There's too much in our society that makes us hyped to something small and sleak and synthetic. Makes us precious, man
@@heatheraucoin5832 Rick spoke too soon on 311. Thing is, Smashing Pumpkins were huge throughout the 90s. Had no real reason to cash in on Dec. 2000. These big bands had the power to have defined the next decade.
Thank you so much for making a video on this topic.. As someone who was an active alternative rock radio listener in New York, I listened to 92.3 Krock and 106.3 WHTG in new Jersey. K-rock cut playing more of the pop/alternstive (bands like Lemonhads,Toad,Gin Blossoms,Collective Soul) and started mixing more of the heavy stuff aka Nu-Metal.. WHTG were more loyal to the 90s alternstive sound and kept playing new music from bands like Sponge, Shades Apart, Stir, Dovetail Joint etc..
But the main problem here was there were more alt rock stations that did the Nu-Metal and very few that stayed true to the alternative sound. I really wish more stations stayed loyal to the 90s alternative because more people today (including myself) miss those stations way more than the numetal/raprock ones. Also, there were so many great late 90s alternative songs from bands like Stir, Dovetail Joint, Splender, Poe, Oleander, Tonic, Ben Lee, Bt featuring the lead singer from Soul Coughing, Joydrop... Till this very day I wish I had saved the WHTG daily playlists they had on their website so I could remember some of those amazing and rare songs that today won't even get played on 90s alt radio because so few stations were playing this stuff anymore since the rap/rock stations took over....
And then the worst thing about this was after the numetal/raprock thing died out after a couple years we never got our alternative stations back and THAT right there is why alternative rock music is in such bad shape these days on Fm radio... I could really go on and on for hours chatting and talking about this topic.. music really means a lot to me and this type of music is what I grew up on and love.
P.S. If there is anyone reading this and grew up listening to more of the pop/rock/alternstive stations in the late 90s or actually did listen to whtg 106.3, do you remember any of those bands/songs during this time?? Do you have any of those daily playlists saved?? I would love to rememeber anything that I have forgotten over the years. Thanks for reading :)
Dude......your channel is my new favorite TV show. I could probably watch every video. Good stuff sir.
A big factor in Third Eye Blind's demise was when Kevin Cadogan was pushed out of the band following the recording of 'Blue'. His guitar parts made a MASSIVE difference for that band.
I agree 100%! Cadogan‘s guitar riffs were the secret sauce of Third Eye Blind’s sound. Awesome first album! Then greed and one huge ego blew it all up.
100% Kevin Cadogan is an underrated 90s rock guitarist
Yes! You completely nailed it.
I agree but I LOVE Out of the Vein in a different way. Blue is a masterpiece but Out of the Vein is great too.
This is 100% part of the reason. They still had some radio presence with OOTV, but once Arion left they were completely done for.
Also, I wish so bad that Rick would do a video on Kevin Cadogan.
I wouldn't have put 311 on that list. They had multiple albums after 2000, that generated quite a bit of success for the band. One of the biggest hits they've ever had is Love Song. And that was definitely in the early to mid-2000s.
And a huge following including myself and friends. They put on an awesome show, we've seen them every summer since '05.
And love song was a cure cover
I like it better than the cure for that track though, amber is fantastic
Was going to say the same thing, they had a singular sound and not coincidentally a large cult to fall back on. A lot of these other bands just rode the zeitgeist into oblivion.
Plus, From Chaos (2001) is their best record.
Amber was gigantic too in 2001 ... I disagreed with Rick on this one , Creed survived and 311 didn't ummmm!!?
Blur "disappeared" mostly because Gorillaz took off in 2000, at least that's what I believe.
Agreed, they had 10+ years of success by then and they wanted to try something different. The Verve were an unstable band who had split up before Urban Hymns got recorded, then split up again before 2000.
Yup, and they kept reinventing and morphing, so their sound never got stale and repetitive.
They got blurred 😂
There was also internal tension : their guitarist Graham Coxon was struggling with alcoholism and quit the band while they were recording Think Tank (which came out in 2003). They toured for that album and entered a hiatus until 2009 (when Coxon rejoined the band). And as you wrote, Gorillaz took off at the same time, and it became pretty clear Damon Albarn's focus shifted towards his "other" band for most of that decade.
In that way The Verve because Richard Ashcroft’s solo career. I don’t think this curse works with british or european bands. There’s a music world beyond america’s stage.
Very informative! I really enjoyed the video, Rick!
Worth noting the relationship between Blur and Gorillaz here.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing.
I remember when the Clint Eastwood single came out and everyone was raving about the band and how mysterious they were; "Ooh, no one knows who's in the band!" and I was sitting there at 16 as a kid that had lived in front of Mtv since the mid-90's going "There's no way that's not Damon from Blur." I'm not a huge fan of Gorillaz past their first album but that is a great record.
Yeah he’s really ignoring that bands are like countries: the names and borders and makeup of the citizenry changes over time. The members of blur are massively popular now more than ever.
Nah Think Tank was brilliant. And massive. Maybe outside of US. Yeah I guess that's why.
I enter in the comment section to write the same. Think tank was big at least in europe
311 never stopped. They've been churning out great albums all along. Sure, they aren't mainstream anymore, but you could probably count on one hand the bands from that era that still are...
Soundsytem is one of my goats.
Agreed. 8 stopped listening to 311 for about 10 years. Started listening again, I missed some good albums
The Alternative Rock radios are always playing their new material.
Deftones they not change , since 90s they are constantly improving our world of music
The strokes man!!! Give em a go Rick. Never heard you mention them. I feel like they had a hand in making some 90’s band sound somewhat redundant. Did for me anyway.
I have not managed to listen through the debut album yet. No interest in them.
Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't mention the garage rock scene here. That and pop punk becoming popular had just as much if not more to do with '90s alt rock bands becoming yesterday's news than nu-metal. Sure, a lot of the people who would be listening to thrash or heavy grunge moved on to nu-metal, but the average rock fans and college/high school students went for the more melodic and radio friendly stuff like Blink-182, The Killers, etc...
@@incamera1457 Yeah, "Is This It" does nothing for me either, beyond a couple tracks. I found "Room On Fire" a little better
@@SonofSethoitae Their new album is just the best work they have ever done for me
Oasis were ignored by rock radio too because they didn't fit in with that new aggressive format. Meanwhile, they were huge in England. "Wonderwall" was all I ever heard from them until 2002, when a friend of mine introduced me to the album "What's the Story(Morning Glory)". I later discovered their first album "Definitely Maybe". Both of these albums are masterpieces that were completely ignored by the radio stations I listened to in the 90s.
Definitely not ignored in NYC.
@@sivaones Cool. In the midwest it was.
Agreed that definitely maybe was ignored stateside. But in 🇬🇧....well, it was like the Beatles.
@@michael_dv9225 I always heard them mentioned in that vein (the next Beatles), but all I ever heard was Wonderwall.
OK now, u lot made me curious.
Were(/are) americans somehow unable to look for music that's not played on radio or s music channel on TV? Usually when I hear "good rap" of something I'll look for it and find out myself and don't expect people bringing it to my front door(or my favourite tv/ radio channel).
Of course, today it is much easier to discover stuff, now that there's spotify and youtube etc.. but seriously it's not like in 90's bands generally released just one song either, and then u couldn't get to hear their albums and other stuff as well if you wanted. Or was it ?
i really liked that Days of the New album... Touch Peel & Stand, Shelf in the Room, Downtown... great 90's acoustic songs
I went through all their tracks yesterday. So good........
Travis Meeks was a really good songwriter. In his case, he self-destructed because of drugs.
I also love the first Tantric album, the other guys w/out Travis I think.
I didn't find anything on the album even half as good as TP&S
Thanks for the kind words for Counting Crows, one of my favorite bands ever.
Tonic is highly underrated. Even their acoustical stuff is strong and they have some outstanding lyrics.
The "post grunge" mid90s of the listed bands in the vid were a more accessible, sunnier side of alternative rock, with the ska pop punk of No Doubt skating into things too. I guess they were marketed as more radio friendly, video appealing than Seattle's first half of the decade dominance. They had a shinier, happier image and a more marketable sound that filled the post Nirvana void, and the younger crowd lapped it up. It carves an interesting bridge in the mid90s, that then leads to Korn and nuMetal in general. This mid90s scene devides the decade in half in a way. You get Seattle, and Big Stadium rock of GnR, and in hip hop:Gangsta Rap, Boyz 2 Men RNB. Then, after the "mid90s Bridge", its still the angst that grunge got going, only boiled and burrowed further down with NuMetal's downtuned chug. Throw in more parental targeted angst in there, too. Goth and shock rock was industrialized with Marlyn Manson antics. Pop meanwhile, was the resurgence of boy bands and Britney. The excess of 80s indulgences was back in a way all the same, through the frat boy humour of Limp Bizkit and nuMetal's leanings back to rock an' roll lifestyles. This is a brilliant discussion, worthy of many more time to listen to RIck's excellent analysis. The 90s were a fascinating decade in its "Two Halves" like that.
all history is made of what I'd call "expansion-contraction" cycles... or at least on thing then its opposite. Happy fast music vs. slower and depressing and so on. Music can't escape this kind of cycling.
Every new generation has to take a position that feels opposite to the previous generation... kind of a way to get a cultural identity I guess
2:40 wow you mentioned DOTN, Travis Meeks is my favorite songwriter, guitar player and vocalist of all time it's really a shame he hasn't really been in good health the past few years... It's depressing but I still enjoy and love that guys music.
And also most of the other bands you mentioned are just incredible, I really wish more bands like them were out there still making music.
was watching a Days video & at the comments, a friend of Travis (supposedly) last saw him in prison. from memory, it was the shaved-head guy in the Touch Peel & Stand video. i can't find the comment anymore -- perhaps it got deleted.
he's apparently doing better now, still playing music, but not recording. i hope it's true & i hope he's well.
I know right? It's really a shame DOTN is not mentioned enough when talking about grunge, I absolutely love them.
I would definitely consider DOTN a post-grunge band. They just don't have the same flavor as the base grunge bands. Don't take this as me hating on them. I saw them live before they broke up and was glad to hear the rest of the band continue.
@@markbrown2450 100% correct, they would've been post grunge. Their debut was the same year as Creed's, also post grunge.
"good health" AKA drug addiction/criminal behaviour...
I really love shinedown, don’t know what all you did/helped on that one album but it’s a great album lots of hits, I have been a drummer for going on 21-22 years just found your channel few days ago love it keep it great work.
Third Eye Blind still one of my favorites that I listen to all their stuff up now I believe they're bass player not the original bass player.. but the bass players in the band on the past few records has recently passed..if this is the case my condolences anyways I just wanted to say props to Third Eye Blind
Third Eye Blind are one of my ultimate favourite bands 💗💗💗
I know this is late, but 3rd eye blind are one of my favorite bands till this day!
Surprised you didn't mention the affects of Napster and how that completely changed the game in the music industry. You had unsigned bands such as Dispatch with a huge following just from file sharing.
I think you are completely discounting how the Napster/file sharing era shaped what was considered a success in this period. In many cases these bands stopped selling albums because their listeners a few years older now maybe had some disposable income to have their own computers and were taking their new albums for free via file sharing... thus the sales fell off. Doesn’t necessarily mean the people abandoned listening to them... and what happens, companies see less sales from those 90s bands, and thus marketing for bands big in previous years is lessened or abandoned because they aren’t selling. Plus these bands that “survived” your curse many did so by being creative, in lots of different ways. Pearl Jam toured massively and made all those shows available for purchase... essentially making massive legal bootleg catalogs. Radiohead went multimedia with websites, animation, video “blips” and interactive things to draw upon obsessive fandom. Then later Radiohead even went down the you name your price ans download the album directly from them method. Beck kept going and being completely original by essentially shifting genres every release. Plus the ones that survived were really the Biggest ones. Nirvana ended but Grohl got Foo Fighters going at the right time to blow up right before the Napster thing happened. Other bands that kept going with bigger successes, RHCP, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Soundgarden(Chris Cornell), and to some extent Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, Green Day...these were really the biggest bands. They all had their bumps, solo career spots, down periods, etc, but they were big enough to weather that storm and adapt. Plus a last thought. A lot of bands went away, because as we got into the later 90s and early 2000s... a lot of these people died. Drugs, suicides, etc... we’ve lost soooo many of the best musicians and icons of the 90s rock music scene now, it’s so sad. And even the ones that didn’t pass away, drug use affected so many. Crazy who we lost from that era...Scott Weiland, Chris Cornell, Lane Staley and Mike Starr, Kurt Cobain, Shannon Hoon, Jeff Buckley, Delores O’Riordan, MCA, etc.
Yep and Napster was happening before Y2K in the late 90's it was beginning to gear up more and more. Huge impact on the industry. And lets face it, it was almost like cosmic payback to an industry that fucked everyone from the artist to the fans.
Yeah my band was one of the first to get an MP3 deal sanctions by MCPS..It killed music..Music its getting homogenous again...another revolution will happen just a matter o time
I used Napster to find music that was no longer in print, only, but I am a musician so I understood the value of support by fans. Thankfully I gave it up when they re-released most of the music I wanted to buy. Like Exodus Fabulous Disaster, 80's Coroner or Cynic albums.
exactly.
Respect for mentioning telecommunications act of 1996
The ripples of that legislation still move through society to this day.
I don't understand any of this. Yet I am terribly fascinated.
I think it boils down to Nu metal having such energy that other bands got little attention during that time. And music became even more industrialized
Well sonny.. we lived through it. Someday soon, you too will experience further consolidation of media, when Amazon buys the remaining six or puts them out of business. On that day.. five years from now.. you'll know what Rick is talking about.
Great overview, I love this! I'm still discovering 'new' music from this era through Pandora. I kept thinking I would hear you mention Linkin Park.
You forgot a big one: The Smashing Pumpkins! Pretty much the biggest band in the world in the mid 90s.. Sure they kept going after 2000 but never really hit those heights again
Rick forgets a lot of bands and musicians in his videos and so far has never responded to my comments regarding this issue . Maybe he’s too busy for input ? Johnny G
@@crisrose521 well....he just mentions a few names as examples, he cannot list all the bands and artists.
Good example.
Outside the grunge scene/bands they were really one of the biggest alternative acts of the 90's
Couldn’t agree more, at the time Billy reminded me at of Uncle Fester
The only reason I don’t think this is a great example is because Billy Corgan remained somewhat relevant with a couple other projects, and even had some moderate hits with Zwan. Nothing Pumpkins level but he still had some radio hits in the early-mid 2000s.
Just for the sake of conversation, 311 is still alive and doing relatively well by carving out their own niche and by doing it all themselves. kinda like dave matthews band they have a loyal following and 311 releases very listenable albums every few years.
This was great, Rick. Something I always thought about, too. Would love to see you extend that further do a video on how rock is basically dead. How it dominated for decades (commercially) and now it’s nothing. That’s a topic I think about all the time and don’t understand why it happened.
Awesome breakdown as always! Keep killin it!
What happened to Blur? Gorillaz happened.
Just about to say this myself! Love that band!
What I find interesting: almost every band being put as an example for bands that didn‘t make it (except Bush, Alanis Morissette and Blur) weren‘t present on MTV Europe and were mostly unknown here. (I only know most of them because MTV aired the US Top 20 once per week, which I found very intersting and liked to watch.)
Speaking of Germany, you had to order records from bands like Goo Goo Dolls or Mighty Bosstones in shops, they usually weren‘t on display in the shelves.
Whereas bands that, according to your list, stayed successful, were, I wouldn‘t say „big“, but known in Europe.
Green Day and Blink 182 were big. They had several singles being played on heavy rotation in commercial radio, Weezer and Creed at least were One Hit Wonders (With Arms Wide Open, Buddy Holly)
But all of these mentioned examples were bands that Alternative music magazines would do stories about - and if you stayed up long enough, you could even see their videos on MTV‘s Headbangers Ball or Alternative Nation (Tool, Incubus, Korn)
3 Doors Down also had a #1 in our country post-2000 (but then, I think they are a 2000s band anyway)! :D But if a rock song somehow made it in the singles-charts post-2000 in Germany, it was almost always the ballad...(well, okay, HIM's Join Me and that one Nickelback song weren't ballads, but otherwise?).
All the more reason not to have our internet access taken away. Now we're finally able to get to know all those bands that would otherwise have been killed by mainstream media and large music producers. A whole new world went open when I got to know sites like Bandcamp, learned to appreciate so many more styles of music that I never thought I would have before.
The 90’s were the most musically diverse decade in history and that made it great. There hasn’t been much musical innovation since then.
I agree with you, the decade took the best elements of the past decades and mixed great new soup out of it.
Lots of "normal" talented people writing and performing their music alongside the popstars and manufactured artists. There were some really big and interesting music festivals and actual variety of musical styles in most of 'em. Classic studio techniques were at their prime, before computers (first slowly, later much more rapidly) took over. And people still bought their music in physical format which then become their property, which lead artists to get paid from the sales, and people went to the gigs to actually experience the gig and the music and not their cellphones.
Wish I existed in that world, but I did not.
The radio and media just took rock and metal away from the outlets that creates your opinions. Hundreds of slept on bands
@@facelessandnameless every movie genre had good movies then around 06 is when everything fell off
@@dankweed5049 honestly I think mostly everything has been in massive decline since ~06/07ish. Movies, music, culture, everything really.
I think the 70s might have the 90s beat for diversity.
Love all these bands from 90's. Listen to them all still. Pearl jam, AIC, Soundgarden, Foo fighters, Incubus, RHCP, Smashing Pumpkins, RATM, Linkin Park......soooo many that I will continue to listen to as long as I'm alive ♥
All good except Linkin Park, you could of put 311 right there.
Linkin Park is not a 90s band. Hybrid Theory came out in 2000 and all the other albums followed that.
I think the last true "popular" rock movement that happened was in the early 2000s, with bands like the White Stripes, the Killers, the Strokes, Franz Ferdinand...groove driven retro rock. After that, rock officially died as a "popular" music genre, there hasn't been a pop rock movement since.
The black keys?
Not to forget people like Manson, Reznor, Morrissey, Nick Cave, spiritualized, pulp/Jarvis projects, daft punk, refused...the resurrection of electronic music and shoegaze... lots of artists and bands work hard to keep it up for decade after decade
You’re 100 percent right. The hives still exist, tame impala kinda rocked a little but now it seems focus is on shoegaze pop or droney stuff
I mostly agree, but I'd say that the emo/screamo movement in the 04-07 range is probably the very last hurrah of rock music (if you consider it a subset of rock, which I do... Loosely.) Now you have bands like imagine dragons claiming to be rock when it's all electronic sounds and no real lyrical substance.
@@dustinjones1907 the thing is though, that good rock is out there. The programmers just refuse to play it and all play this non-rock baloney they're trying to pass on to alt rock channels. It's maddening. But I agree that there was lots of good rock still happening on radio for much longer than Rick is suggesting here.
Muse were pretty big and pretty rocking for the whole 00s
Music history is seriously something I'd like to see more of on this channel. This is such a service to musicians to gain perspective from
I don’t. He’s got a very narrow and bland knowledge of music post 1980.
SO spot on. @1:51 that list of great bands who used to roll through Memphis almost brought me to tears. Those great times were indeed before TicketMaster/LiveNation/Auto-tune and then Clear Channel communications (now iHeartMedia) consumed our last remaining independent radios stations AND primary local TV channels AND the local newspaper here in MEM. That was indeed 'The Day the Music Died' and really any independent thought whatsoever.
Damon Albarn of Blur went on to arguably greater success in the 2Ks with Gorillaz.
His solo album is a stunner
@@theconversation9103 gorillaz bas better than his solo album tbh
Deftones- did not disappear !! Don’t forget.
Kinda wish they would
If anything Deftones push back against the Nu-Metal title, especially since they accidentally created the genre itself lol.
But yeah Deftones still good, if anything they got better.
Yeah i kept thinking Deftones the whole time watching this video.
As far as I know, they're the only one that really transcended the genre. They sort of escaped. All the others died out or just kept doing the same thing (Korn)
Deftones survived because their music didn't make you want to turn your ball-cap backwards while you chugged a Monster energy drink with your "bros".
The growing monopolies of the world have done us no favors..
Right! The "rock" station in my town plays the same songs every day including songs like, 'Hit me with your best shot' and other old stuff that has been played out years ago, and there are two classic rock stations. What a sad joke that is being played on us. There is absolutely no creativity, ingenuity, or real DJ'ing going on in this corporate rock environment.
@@cobyg419 I wrote to my local Classic Rock program manager complaining specifically about "Hit Me With Your Best Shot". I wrote that Pat has 50 other great songs! Surprisingly, the program manager actually wrote back and was very sympathetic to my comments. But he said, even as "program manager" he had ZERO input on what songs were allowed on that radio station. Very frustrating.
@@ericroll well of course not, the choice of music that gets played to brainwash the masses comes from the Illuminati itself. Very high up.
Love your videos!
This was very eye opening!
2:22 Blur was FAR more successful in their home country than they ever were here in the US. Damon Albarn formed the Gorillaz in 2001 and has had HUGE success with them for the 20 years since. I would say they don't necessarily fit in that category.
Also, 311's biggest hits were after the year 2000, though I would agree their best stuff was before 2000.
311’s biggest hits were before 2000. Amber was the only huge hit post 2000. All mixed up, beautiful disaster, and down are all pre 2000
Right? Blur was way more modern Jam-esque than the hard, alternative rock hit for which they were known in the States. Too bad. I’ll still take Oasis, in the big picture, but Blur was freaking awesome.
Yes I agree with your comments on Blur. They do not fit on the list at all.
Funny enough when I moved back to Mexico in 2004, I found out about blur, cake, oasis etc. Apparently the US was trying to build a bubble when it came to artists from the US vs UK. Those bands were never in the rock stations where I lived.
Conversely most of these "y2k curse" bands never did anything in the UK in the first place. Which is an interesting observation. This video really brings home how different the UK was back then. Was there ever a time when rock music in the US and UK was as far apart as the 90s?
Sorry, I couldn’t pay attention to the message because you weren’t wearing a black T-shirt. LOL
I was thinking the same thing. 😄
But he does have on a black t-shirt...
@@Fektthis I had to go back to check. I was distracted by all the other "bright" colours! LOL
lmaoooo
The shirt and pants are disturbingly well-matched.
This was fascinating. Loved this video Rick.
Great Video!
You finally mentioned The Verve, probably my favourite band. What you missed in this analysis including them was that they broke up due to personal problems-namely, their wives not getting along if I remember correctly-rather than popularity issues; they were still popular in the United Kingdom after breaking up and later got a top spot at Glastonbury in 2008 during their brief reunion. That said, you should definitely do a video on one of their singles from _Urban Hymns_ or _A Northern Soul_ to dissect exactly what made them sound so good and unique.
Not wives- just Richard being a primadonna(and I love him and have seen him solo several times).
@@urbanhymns8880 I read an interview with Nick McCabe, and he didn't blame Richard for the breakup at all. In fact, he's open to a reunion.
@@reillywalker195 Richard wrote most of Urban Hymns, & has said it was going to be his solo album, but they ended up bringing the band back in to record parts, & he sounded pretty bitter that he wasn’t getting the proper credit for it in a video that I saw. I love Nick, but those songs are Richard’s, & he has shown he’s much more interested in his solo thing. Saw home with Liam solo and they both blew me away. Nick may be open to it, but that’s ‘cause he’s the scorned one
There was a lot of great alternative rock in the mid/late 90s (The Catherine Wheel, Curve, Eels, Hum, Built To Spill, Spiritualized, Superchunk, Supergrass) but, like you said, radio wouldn't play them. Our local alternative station seemed to play that terrible Metallica cover 'Turn The Page' every hour but ignored a lot of great music.
Spiritualized is still around. Not to also forget people like Manson, Reznor, Morrissey, Nick Cave, daft punk, refused...the resurrection of electronic music and shoegaze... lots of artists and bands work hard to keep it up for decade after decade or creep for their fan base to exist again
Only bands I remember from your list in the 90s are Eels, Supergrass and Hum. Hum was a one hit wonder. Hipster music.
@@alltherebelsaredead7756 That just shows your ignorance, both with respect to Hum and the others. Hum's Downward Is Heavenward has lots of great tunes (Ms Lazarus and Green To Me for example) as does You'd Prefer An Astronaut. And I'm just a casual fan of theirs.
@@alltherebelsaredead7756 Built To Spill are great and they have inspired a lot of 2000's indie and alternative bands despite being quite in the shadows for the general audience.
Check Hum's newest album. Best musical surprise drop of 2020.
Glad you made this video... this topic is a big-time shower thought of mine.
I really waited for you to mention SOAD.
Great video by the way!
As a 2002 born, I can’t speak on this lol, but I do think the year 2000 and on, I noticed a lot less alternative music on the charts. A lot of which my dad introduced me to, he’s around the same age as Rick.
You forgot Beck!!! He survived Y2K! His style is so eclectic and ever-evolving that you could do a whole episode on the unsung (until lately) musical genius and influencer.
Yes, and also bands like Dinosaur JR, Stephen Malkmus of Pavement, Yo la Tengo, Wilco or Bonnie Prince Billy survived.
@@frankfionn You bet! The fact they didn't sell absurd ammounts of records doesn't preclud their cultural influence.
Does he still exist? I haven't heard his name in years.
@@sparkeyjones6261 His 13th album, Colors, won Best Alt Music Album and Best Engineered Album at the 2019 Grammys. He also won Album of the Year in 2015 for Morning Phase (Remember when Kayne disapproved because Beyoncé lost again?)
@@SilentServiceCodeI think we can agree that he certainly is one of a kind and underappreciated in the mainstream... and still very prolific.
Great video!
Throwing Cooper was such a good album
The whole trilogy of mental jewelry, throwing copper, secret samadhi were all excellent
I love that you put 'A storm in heaven in there', a record that definetly deserves more spotlight in the public. But the story of the Verve is very sad, it comes down to Ashcrofts ego, not admitting to the importance of Nick McCabe. I don't think they directly fall into your category, it's just a timing overlapse. Awesome awesome topic Rick. As a huge music lover who owns about 3000 discs, you made me really happy, by sprinkling some life into this publically conceived dead fish topic :D
"Third Eye Blind" was one of my favorite 90'd bands. They had the catchiest damn songs.
Theres a commercial on the radio with their song remixed
Semi-Charmed Life is a roller-coaster and monster of a song.
Their third record is GREAT, check it out.
Their debut album was the first CD I bought with my own money... Still one of my favorites to this day
Lmao
Great video as always Rick.
so many good recommendations in this, just listened to Lightning crashes for the first time, it is such a pretty song.
the entire album is good. nearly every song on it got radio play
"They wished they were like Korn...I wished they were like Korn."
OMG just died.
2:24 - Happy you mention Dada. An incredibly underrated Trio of great writers-instrumentalist-singers who unfortunately had too much 'roots' and 'tradition' in their high musicianship and as such were overlooked by the new and 'hip' thing called Gunge, which means they never made it big as I believe they deserved. Dada's 1992 debut 'Puzzle' is a must have record for anyone who enjoys uncompromising good songwriting, well crafted and very well executed. A gem of a record.
@@461909S Did't know that, thanks for the info. I also own they sophomore release 'American Highway Flower' and 'El Subliminoso', both very fine albums. Saw them live several times @ Washington D.C.' 'The Bayou', between 1995 and 1998 but then lost touch w/ the band after I moved out of the area. 7Horse you say? Gonna check it out.
Honestly, I think the post 9/11 sentiment in America drove a lot of the popularity of aggressive music. When you look at it, the music trends from 2000 weighed against 2002 are incredibly stark.
Crisis did for metal what the shadow of Cobain's death did for Pop Rock in the mid-90's; it caused sensibility to flee to the "Alternative".
I'm waiting for the crisis of 2020 to bring the masses back to metal again. Probably never happen though, the youth these days are fucking stupid, I'm not talking about a generational observation, they are legitimately fucking stupid. Case and point; the Spotify Top 10 video Rick did in Sept, Cardi B was #1. for fuck sake. That's who this generation has chosen to be their leader? Cardi FUCKING B.
@@REAVER781 Yeah, unlike the last one, who looked up to Fred Durst. Come off it
Rick seems to have a massive blind spot for Indie Rock and Post-Punk Revival/Garage Rock. If you ask me, these are the albums that killed 90’s Alternative: 1) The Strokes “Is This It” 2) The White Stripes “White Blood Cells” 3) Interpol “Turn On The Bright Lights” 4) The Killers “Hot Fuss” 5) Spoon “Girls Can Tell” 6) Death Cab For Cutie “Transalanticism” 7) The Shins “Oh, Inverted World” 8) Yeah Yeah Yeahs “Fever To Tell” and there were suddenly dozens of other bands that solidified the scene more toward ‘04 and ‘05. (Franz Ferdinand, Arctic Monkeys, Arcade Fire, The National, Vampire Weekend)
Alternative radio got even further splintered by the emo bands that got big in the early 2000s as well as Lo-Fi Punk and Punk Pop. The rise of music blogging made everything exponentially more niche, whereas guitar driven music in the 80’s and 90’s was almost exclusively hair bands and grunge. Broadband Internet became available to way more people and people were eager to explore different sounds.
Yeah he does. This video has an interesting hypothesis but it’s not really what happened.
Basically the bands you mentioned above are just all around better than what clear channel radio was shilling. I mean were people actually sad to see Bush or Sugar Ray fade into obscurity?
yeah i thought that as well in his "what killed rock?" video, he completely misses the post-punk revival movement which just severely undercut his thesis. how can you talk about the evolution of rock music and not mention the strokes? sort of feels like all his thoughts on the subject are a result of him having stopped listening to contemporary rock right around the turn of the century.
Rick was simply all over the place with his timeline and analysis. He skipped several bands. Also forgot some of the bands that started in the late 90s and pretty much led the charts thru the early/ mid 2000s.....these bands particularly appealed to the younger crowd. It simply shows how dated his mindset is on what he considers rock music.
It wasn't so much that 'the people' wanted more nu-metal, but the new gatekeepers of radio decided that this was what 'the people' were going to have.
'Let them eat bizkit!'
Man, I never thought I'd hear you talk about The Verve, Urban Hymns is a classic. Would love to see a WMTSG on them.
The early shoegaze style they had was also amazing
Richard Ashcroft's Jupiter sized ego is what sunk the Verve pretty much for good after UH.
@@jcthompson76 unfortunately right. I bought his first solo album. Was hugely self indulgent and very disappointing
I think Urban Hymns is one of the best albums of all time!
Their first two albums are far far better than Urban Hymns. And their b-side collection No Come Down is as well.
Loved this episode, Rick. This is fascinating to me, because it feels like the mid-90s is about when I stopped "caring" about new music for the most part. That's mostly related to my age and time-of-life than anything else, I think. Honest question, though: do you feel like MORE bands from the 90s faded away in the 2000s as against, say, bands from the 60s compared to the 70s? Or the 80s vs. the 90s?
Fascinating. I remember (in the UK) being really into MTV2, which was really alternative, and one day it was rebranded as MTV rocks and I stopped finding new interesting bands.
Anyone remember when Alternative used to be called “College Rock”? Haha. Always thought that was an apt description at the time.
Yeah, there's an alternative rock channel on SiriusXM called "XMU".
Yes!
College rock is up til 1986 or so.
311 needs to be on the second list. They’re still going strong and are always in the top ten charts when releasing albums. Maybe not big label big but definitely independent success for sure.
@@KickflipGnasty 311's cover of Lovesong in 2004 is arguably their biggest hit.
Used to be one of my favorite bands. I couldn't tell you one thing they've done since the early 2000s though.
@@KickflipGnasty 311 had a solid fanbase right up until the pandemic. My ex was into them, and I went to a show of theirs about a decade ago. The place was full (about 16k in a venue with 20k capacity) and everyone around me was singing along with every song. I don't care for them, but I see they have maintained a solid touring schedule year after year. If this video is about a list of bands that disappeared, then 311 doesn't belong in it. They might not be on the radio anymore, but who tf listens to the radio anyway? 311 is not my thing, but there are a lot of people who seem to love them. I respect their whole trip, and their focus on live shows. it's more like the Dead or Phish than it is like a typical album/tour rock band.
@@KickflipGnasty focus: the topic of this video is 90s bands that disappeared in the aughts. 311 is not one of those bands. They still fill venues and they still sell records. The same can't be said for the bands Beato discusses in this video
@@KickflipGnasty It's not semantics, and you're missing the point. The topic is "the death of 90's Alternative Bands like Live, Cake, Tonic, etc." Those are bands that basically don't exist anymore. 311 doesn't belong on that list. Period.
You mentioned Days of the New!!! Dude I was obsessed with them in the 90's
Your analysis of the radio markets is great
Collective Soul and LIVE are my two favorite bands ever. I love and am proud that Collective Soul has never gone away after all this time. In terms of charting and what not... yeah, I guess they don't really climb up there. But I'm looking forward to new stuff from them.
And LIVE broke up but I hear are back together now
I find it kind of odd that you never mention post punk revival bands, in this video or your other videos. The strokes, killers, Interpol, arctic monkeys, franz ferdinand. All massive bands with huge followings and incredible records.
Is this it completely changed the landscape of Rock (for the better) after it released
He rarely speaks about post punk bands as well
Yes and what about The White Stripes, The Hives, The Vines and Jet? All huge in the 2000's! Great Alternative Music was still around, but in came a New Generation 👍🎤🎸✨
I personally dislike those bands a LOT, I'm guessing Rick does too lol
@@tricko8000 Yes he does, I saw a video he did of The White Stripes 'What makes this song great' 🎤🎸🎶✨
4 AM...can't sleep...what's Rick been up to lately?...it's now 5 AM and I'm starting another 20 minute video lol. Great stuff Rick keep it up!
Hey Rick, why don't you ever talk about Blind Melon? They were a stand out guitar band with a great singer and very interesting in the way the 2 guitars interweaved their parts together over the progression. I think Soup is one of the most underrated albums of the 90's.
Blind Melon is one of those short lived grunge bands who eventually died due to the grunge frontman curse.