Pink Boo: "The light hurts my pale complexion." Normal Boo: "Dude, I'm paler than you. I look like I've seen another ghost." Me: "What, you expect me to sing you the song?"
On the Sonic fanbase discussion... Part of the reason why the Sonic fanbase is so... Weird, is because, well, there isn't really one Sonic fanbase. There's pretty much a fanbase for every different style of Sonic, whether it be Classic, Adventure, Heroes, Shadow, Unleashed (the boost formula as a whole), Lost World, or different media such as the comics. The Sonic fanbase is often seen as this annoying bunch of hypocritical, ungrateful (man)children who can't accept anything new or old, but in reality it's that the community is so split that it's at constant civil war with itself. Classic fans arguing with Adventure or boost fans etc. and that's due to Sega being so experimental during the Dark Ages of Sonic, in a desperate attempt to "keep up" and keep the series alive.
NateSnivySmasher but it still meshes up into an awful time: like how can someone outside the fanbase(s) enjoy it if not even the poeple inside of it/them enjoy it?
Yep, it's pretty much that. The series has no "identity". You know there's a massive issue when people can't agree on what makes a sonic game a sonic game, and ESPECIALLY when two people can love everything the other hates and still be part of the same fandom. The closest similar schism I'm aware of is what's been going on in the Fire Emblem community the past few years, but that is TAME compared to what happens CONSTANTLY in the sonic fanbase. At least FE has a well-grounded "bare essentials" for being a FE game, it's just people disagreeing on what makes a "good" FE game. Whereas Sonic fans can't even figure out what the bloody hell they want their games to be in the first place.
Yeah, the Fire Emblem "split" is basically between pre-Awakening and post-Awakening fans for the most part, though it's harder for pre-A fans to hate post-A fans because fire emblem might not be a thing anymore had Awakening not sold well. Sonic fans... Well, I know nothing about them. I don't think anyone does. I had a friend in junior high (mid-"dark age of sonic") who was a really diehard sonic fan, Sonic could do no wrong, but I never actually talked with him about it because it mostly just annoyed me. And that was my first exposure to Sonic as a franchise. I think a big problem with sonic right now is not just that the fans are impossible to please, but that they've managed to become one of the best "Bad-PR" engines the world has ever known.
Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral and sometimes illegal things, or just starting civil wars or whatever, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good. It’s your fault that vocal minorities of weird fans are never recognized as such, and are instead chalked up to the whole group. Furthermore, if you say that you like x but hate x fandom, you’re hating yourself too. Remember, you’re technically still part of the fandom, and there’s no rules for how much to have to engage with other people in order to be a fan. I know it’s a popular thing on the internet, but homicidal self-deprecation is unhealthy. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to say “I’m one of the good fans”, people calling your fandom toxic will still not accept you. Course, expressing sympathy for somebody is something else entirely.
@@diamondminer5459 I agree. The furry fandom is actually surprisingly welcoming despite the vocal minority wanting fuck actual animals. But yeah, I loved Jon's Big the Cat voice and he did it better justice than The Game Grumps did for Ocarina of Time. Seriously, THAT LP was bad whether you're a Zelda fan or not. I personally think with Danganronpa and Ace Attorney, Arin and Danny are finally taking their craft seriously or at least not randomly going on tangents throughout the LP. But honestly, when I talk about "Sonic fans" I do NOT mean people like you. I'm friends with plenty of great Sonic fans, it's the ones that use name calling for not getting everything right you have to watch out for.
I'll try to explain the Sonic fandom the best way I can: It's divided, plain and simple. Because Sonic Team experimented with a lot of gameplay styles (the 2D games, Adventure, Heroes, Boost formula, Lost World, and that's just to name a few), people have grown to like some gameplay styles and hate others. Combine that with different representations of the comics (Archie and Sonic the Comic) and the TV shows with Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, SatAM, the Boom cartoon, Underground, and Sonic X, nobody in the Sonic fandom can agree on what Sonic is, what he should be, and what they want out of a Sonic game because the fans are divided. That's how I've come to see the Sonic fandom: Divided because of the experimentation done with the series.
Division and arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, keep this in mind. Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves.
Mario has been the least trashed from my experience. In fact, I could say that a lot of Mario fans are some of the most narcissistic, elitist jerks who won't accept anyone thinking Mario is not the "savior" of video games. Obviously, that statement would only implie to the toxic people, but whenever I mention it, they don't believe me and accuse me of having no taste in video games (I personally don't care for them too much, but I won't stop anyone else from enjoying them.) Believe me, every fanbase has their ups and downs, it's just that we give the toxic ones so much attention that we think they make up the majority, but in fact they actually make up the minority. The bad things always get more coverage than the good things. All fanbases have their fair share of toxic people, it's just that some are more well-hidden than others. Mario's fans certainly turned me off of his games, mostly because I can't stand hearing them talk about him like he's "perfect" ( just because his games are good, doesn't mean I'm going to put him up on a pedestal above other games I enjoy just as much.) Obviously, not all of them are like that, just like not all Sonic fans are like that. Unfortunately, since people just love bringing attention to the few bad ones, he's gonna get a lot more flak for something that no one can control. So far, I've only seen the good side of the Sonic fanbase that a lot of people overeact to and claim as the worst. As for the bad side.... Well, just from people who call themselves "fans" but always bashes Sonic for a ridiculous reason, but I digress. Many fanbases have their bad side, but people just love to point out only Sonic (equality, right?), because it's just what they love to do. Why can't anyone enjoy a game anymore in peace without being ridiculed for being a black sheep of the video game world? (FYI, I loved the "bad" games from Sonic. Does that mean I'm stupid or ignorant? No, I just know what I like. You haters can deal with it.) P.S. Sorry for the long comment. If anyone reads this to the end (or if they read it at all), know that I don't want to offend anybody. I just want this internet trash to end.
RandomGamer95 : I was trying to imply that it turned me off of it for a while, but maybe I didn't word that correctly. I was trying to imply that all fans can be toxic in their own ways, but the fanbases shouldn't be labeled because of the few toxic fans. I never said they turned me off for good, I was just stating my past experiences and I let them get to me. I let them ruin my enjoyment and I thought all fans were like that. Now I realize that those were just a few loud, obnoxious morons on the internet and now I ignore them. I do use that strategy, I just didn't have the knowledge back when I was younger. In other words, I was quick to judge just like the people of today. All I was trying to state is that people usually label fanbases as "bad" because of their terrible experiences with the people associated with that particular franchise. I don't remember saying ignore the toxic fans specifically, I was saying that the good side doesn't get nearly enough recognition as the diseased side, which is sad. I was merely using myself as a previous example of judging something as a whole before getting to know both sides of the story. Of course, I probably didn't make that clear enough and for that I apologize. Words aren't really my strong suit, especially when it comes to communicating to others. I deeply am sorry to cause such misunderstanding, but I do hope I have cleared some things up. Please don't be mad, I never meant to offend. ^-^
It wouldn't have been a bad move. It was predictable Tim would lose the slow race with Jon. It was only by Jon's horrible luck and the AI's bizarre turn that he bounced back. We know Tim's not great at earning coins, so him trading 40 for a star is a big deal. Not an easy choice, either way. Hope his luck holds.
+You and what toaster Still. Tim holding onto the warp pipe was the better move as it gave him an easy star. Tim clearly wanted to wait until he saw a better opportunity and he took it. I'd say it was a wise move.
After some fortunate turn of events gave him the star, it's kind of easy to say it was the smarter move. I'm guessing Tim thought it was still a race and held onto the item to see how things panned out, which isn't a bad move. However, as he rolled high it showed the warp pipe was worth considering.
It's not that it wouldn't have been a bad move. It's that what Tim ended up doing was better even if luck was involved. The guy acted like Tim made a poor move, but anyone who saw what Tim was planning on doing with the warp pipe knew it wasn't a bad decision at all.
yeah, I'm still getting used to it. Jon mentioned in a recent stream that it's because RUclips was de-monetizing their videos for crude language so they have to censor.
And yet, there are other youtuber's , big or small, who haven't had their videos de-monetize for crude languages, or anything in the matter. Which tells me that RUclips is being heavily bias to the most targeted youtubers.
According to what I can tell, what's being demonetized most is specifically F***, S*** and sexual content. But it does make me wonder how much certain channels are or aren't getting hit.
Wait... Sonic fans ragged on Jon's Big The Cat voice? Weird, because not only was that actually funny, but it was pretty much the highlight of the entire SA1 playthrough.
+Zeph_1000 Old Man was funny too, but Jon doing BTC's voice was so great and hilarious, it's now one of the first things I think of whenever I think about SA1.
Minus Bros. With the way things have been going for Emile so far, I'd say the chances of that happening are slim. Then again, we ARE talking about a game where Jon managed to snag a victory at the last possible second on E. Gadd's Garage, so I guess anything's possible.
Uh oh, Tim got the button mashing vehicle... 2:18 I like how Twila doesn't complain about the pot not being completely full or doesn't accuse someone of cheating out. She just reassures that the Battle will go on. 9:59 Oh boy, it's this story. 10:08 And then Bagel stream came along, and Reese got introduced to Big the Cat. 12:33 And then Jon's previous reference to create-a-characters came to fruition in Forces. Certainly has potential, but Imma refrain from judging until the full product's out. 13:26 I think after the second chorus Pumbaa continues to get hurt during the violin interlude. And in true cartoon fashion, the level of pain escalates with each incident that happens to Pumbaa. 14:30 Yeah, the end credits to Wish-maker is something. Think it's one of the few times 4Kids kept Japanese lyrics in their movie.
As a Sonic Fan myself, I tend to place the cause on the fact that SEGA Sonic Team has done so much experimenting over the years and because of it Sonic Fans seem to stand by and fiercely defend whichever game/era they were introduced to him with. For example my first Sonic games were Adventure DX for the PC and Heroes for the PS2 back when they were first released, however I never finished either game till much later because I was more into Sly Cooper at the time. I didn't get back into the series till I tried Sonic '06 after hearing all the negative things about it, so I picked up a PS3 copy and tried it out. And I enjoyed my time with it I could see the negative but overall I didn't and still don't think it's as bad as everyone says it is. Same with Unleashed which was my 2nd game I believe after getting back into the franchise.
I enjoyed your Sonic Adventure playthrough and I'm a causal Sonic fan. I feel part of why the Sonic fandom (and by extension the Mega Man fandom as well) can be so crabby is due to the fact that the general public views what they love differently than a fan would and sometimes negative press can really put a damper on a series. That being said I also feel that the Sonic fandoms takes its series for granted at times. A cartoon, new games ever so often, a comic that lasted for YEARS, another comic that got a unofficial continuation, the aforementioned Twitter account; they have a lot to be proud of. They kinda need to learn or relearn that not everyone loves the series as they do and be thankful that Sega gives the Sonic series the love it gets even with the undesirables within the Sonic fanbase. @ProtonJon I'm so sorry that you were snapped at about the Sonic Boom mixup. So many things share the same blasted name and it was an honest mistake to make. They didn't need to snap at you. Tell Bagel I hope he's doing well.
It's not just Sonic fans than can get crazy. Nearly every fanbase invites these type of people; the more popular the IP, the more crazy fans you get. It's this reason why I want nothing to do with Steven Universe or it's fans.
It's too bad that folks have deterred you from actually watching Steven Universe. :x You may enjoy it! For one, there are a lot of morals in the show that the "fans" don't seem to follow, so... just know that they aren't representing the show well. I love Steven Universe perhaps more than most other fans, and I stay faaaar away from the fanbase. Of course, it's your choice! Nobody can force you to watch it... at least, I hope nobody's trying to do that.
Yeah, I have pretty much negative interest in Steven Universe because a disturbingly large chunk of the fanbase decided to project their politics onto it. Then there's the fan artist who attempted suicide due to being bullied for drawing a character "too skinny". I can't look at that series neutrally thanks to these people.
The show does not speak for those people. Regarding that near suicide incident, the creators of the show even voiced their disapproval of what happened. Don't let a fan ruin something for you or they win.
Time to explain the reasons for the Sonic Fan Psyche: We get very defensive and downright crazy of our positions and opinions because: *1* Sega going 3rd party made fans realize that Nintendo and Mario had beaten Sonic in the console race. *2* Sonic x got new fans into the series (like myself) who started to take the sonic series way too seriously *3* the voice actor war between Ryan Drummond fans and Jason Griffin fans made us easy punchlines before Twlight, bronies, FNAF, or Undertale even existed (I fully admit being a part of this on team Drummond). *4* 06's beastialty opened the public's eye to shipping, furries (which we literally invented: Sally Acorn), and 4chan. (I didn't take part in this). *5* the terrible quality of the games during the dark age [depending on who you ask it can start as early as heroes and end as late as colors; I see it as Shadow/x season 3 ('05) to green eyes ('10)] made people question our sanity for repeatedly buying shit (the sonic cycle, IGN, etc.). *6* Green eyes and the old fans trying to buy the trademark to sonic 1 to force sega to cancel sonic 4 (yes, this actually happened) which revealed how crazy some of our older, genesis era fans had gotten (I was among those laughing my ass off, since I grew up only with green-eyed sonic). *7* After a full 2 years (2010-2012) of quality, functional games (4 ep 1&2, racing transformed, colors, and generations), the quality went right back to shit with rise of lyric, again making us laughingstocks. *8* Game Grumps, the Sonic twitter, and other Internet personalities reminding everyone about the dark age {and unfairly grouping in the adventure games with 06; FUCK YOU ARIN [but not Jon (Jafari and Proton), Chugga, and Tim; y'all were awesome]}. *9* Sega themselves, because they have put out so much wildly different content, in tone, story, gameplay, and quality just to keep sonic relevant (which I know sega needs to do because Sonic, as a character, was sold on his 'coolness' and 'coolness' is hard to maintain for 25+ years as trends and culture change) has developed many different schisms amongst the fanbase *10* these schisms are massive and 'fights' between them go public (like the voice actor war, they get huge). As I see it, there are really 5 (or 6) main groups of the fanbase *10a* ; *classic* *fans* (as most people see them): Classic fans got into sonic during his height, the genesis era. This is the most positively seen sect of the fanbase due to their high presence on RUclips thanks to guys like SomeCallMeJohnny. They get along with themselves quite well and are able to enjoy the non-classic games. In general, favorite character is (classic) sonic. *10b* ; *archie* *fans* : these are the fans who got into sonic because of satam (the early 90's cartoon with the darker atmosphere and the freedom fighters;) and the archie comics and. they aren't too big into the games (primarily because the stories of the games don't match the archie stories, but if they do play them, they're usually into the classic games. If you say the words "Ken Penders" to them, they will stab you. In general, their favorite characters are Sally Acorn, (archie) Sonic, (pre 3rd party) Knuckles, and (satam) Robotnik. *10c* ; *Boom fans* : these are the kids who just got into sonic because of the sonic boom cartoon, and nothing else. In general, their favorite characters are (boom) sonic and (boom) knuckles. They don't really know much about the history of the fanbase, and don't really care, other than the occasional meme. *10d* ; *memes* : these are the people who just troll sonic fans (like Arin Hanson and Aaron Webber) and don't give a shit about the games, other than to laugh at 06, and the adventure games. Their favorite characters are (boom) Eggman and Big. They get along with classic fans, but are loathed by adventure and archie fans *10e* ; *adventure* / *dark* *age* *fans* : this is where everyone else (myself included) is lumped into. 'We' are considered shippers, furries (although I consider that archie), and Deivantart. 'We' are pissed off at Sega for ignoring us (no sonic adventure 3), trolling us (big's big fishing adventure 3), and making the plots too safe and simplistic (boom/colors/lost world). Our most famous in-community person is Roger Van Wielde, who did the 'sonic in minutes', animations. For us, we are still loyal to sonic and are extremely defensive of our positions so much that we can't even talk to each other with out starting a flame war. Adventure 1 vs. Adventure 2 is a great example. We will (as I am loathe to admit that I have done before) go into long arguments over which adventure game is better (I'm on team adventure 1), bringing up the worst parts of each adventure game repeatedly (big and amy gets brought up by adventure 2 side, any knuckles or rouge stage gets brought up by myself and others on the adventure 1 side). But that's just adventure 1 and 2, we still can't agree on who was the best voice actor (we just sort of generally settled on "at least their both better than Roger Craig Smith"), if Heroes was good (I say yes), if unleashed was good (I say no), if the wii games were good (I say no), or who would win between sonic and shadow in a fight (I say sonic). Mind you, 'we' are the ones who will dislike bomb any video that negatively portrays sonic because we are attacked not only from the outside, but from ourselves within the fanbase. Needless to say, we get along poorly with the other sects of the sonic fanbase. 'Our' favorite characters are usually sonic and shadow. I've been using single quotation marks whenever I say "we", because that's only a general feeling from within our group. The only thing I've ever seen the *ENTIRE* fan base agree on is that generations hd, Sonic 3&Knuckles, and advance 1 (for those whom have played it) are at least good interms of gameplay tl;dr: The adventure/dark age fans get angry/are defensive because it sort of feels like the whole world is against us.
Kudos for writing all of that (I've been behind on the Mario Party videos lol) My only question is does the Sonic Advance and Sonic Rush games count as Dark Age? Cuz they are great games, work more like Genesis era but are always forgotten.
Amanda Slough Advance 1 & 2 are before the dark age and the rush games were the only 2 good games (or at least generally seen as okay) during the dark age.
My take on toxicity: Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral and sometimes illegal things, or just starting civil wars or whatever, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good. It’s your fault that vocal minorities of weird fans are never recognized as such, and are instead chalked up to the whole group. Furthermore, if you say that you like x but hate x fandom, you’re hating yourself too. Remember, you’re technically still part of the fandom, and there’s no rules for how much to have to engage with other people in order to be a fan. I know it’s a popular thing on the internet, but homicidal self-deprecation is unhealthy. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to say “I’m one of the good fans”, people calling your fandom toxic will still not accept you.
I've been playing a bunch of Mario Party 7 recently and one thing I've noticed is that the bonus stars at the end of the boards are completely random from a pool of like 6 stars and I love that that makes the games a lot more tense, especially when the scores on the board are closer
If TRG thought that ending of E. Gadd's Garage was something, oh boy, wait until they start playing Mario Party 7. (FYI, this is also done in Mario Party 8. And I think there's more stars in the pool that time.)
"They said it's not another Sonic Generations." You're right. Sonic Generations was good. And that clearly wasn't what they were going for with Forces.
Really you could apply that to any 'hardcore' members of a fanbase. Not that the Sonic fanbase isn't bad, speaking as one. Like most people in the Dark Souls community are cool but some of them will get on your case if you ever play the game with a friend because "That's not how the game's suppposed to be played."
As a person who loves the adventure games and has a general like for most other Sonic games: You guys did an amazing SA LP and don't let anyone tell you different.
I think the reason that a lot of Sonic fans get really triggered and up-in-arms all the time might also be due to the fact that they do get A LOT of shit thrown at them. Not only do some bad titles come out, but then you have to deal with being the butt of so many jokes for years. Doesn't help when some people actually run with the small jokes, and turns it into a "Sonic was never good" sort of deal.
My take (not sure if this is accidentally posted twice on this comment): Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral and sometimes illegal things, or just starting civil wars or whatever, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good. It’s your fault that vocal minorities of weird fans are never recognized as such, and are instead chalked up to the whole group. Furthermore, if you say that you like x but hate x fandom, you’re hating yourself too. Remember, you’re technically still part of the fandom, and there’s no rules for how much to have to engage with other people in order to be a fan. I know it’s a popular thing on the internet, but homicidal self-deprecation is unhealthy. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to say “I’m one of the good fans”, people calling your fandom toxic will still not accept you.
As a sonic fan I enjoy most sonic playthroughs as long as they're fair and aren't just like, "oh this game is shit because it's shit and I don't like it." That really grinds my gears. But I'm not gonna call that person an asshat or whatever for not liking sonic, that's stupid and immature. I'll just not watch the videos. Like, if the player's having fun dicking around then that's cool (because they're having fun) but if the entire playthrough is dedicated to shitting on the game then that's a massive turn-off for me. Now I'm gonna go rewatch the TRG SA1 playthrough because that sounds like a good time edit: and that goes for any other playthroughs too. Like, unless the game *really* deserves it I don't like watching a playthrough of anything that's overly negative.
Sonic has a temperamental fanbase because people outside the fanbase never shut up about how Sonic has a temperamental fanbase, which makes the temperamental fans angry and the non-temperamental fans eventually become temperamental because they get sick of hearing about it.
Go Tim! You won the last board and you're doing really well on this board too. Nice use of the Pipe. It is probably the best item to use on this board since it requires being at the right place at the right time. Keep it up! Long live the Green Dino!
I am happy that Chugga thought it could be SA3. I know the Adventure series gets a lot of flack these days, but SA2 is still one of my favorite games, period. I heavily doubt SEGA will make it, but it would be great.
As a fan of Sonic, fuck the fanbase. Debate the degree of deservedness, but it's one of the most toxic and fragmented fanbases I have ever seen. The main factor I place on the fanbase being so all over the place is the constant changes in style the Sonic games keep taking, between yearly releases, countless spin-offs, and the fact that every major entry does some major gameplay overhaul since the series went 3D. Seriously, with the exception of the Adventure games and maybe the Boost trilogy (if you disregard the Wisps), both only in parts at that, no game since Sonic went 3D has had the same structure and gameplay as the game preceding it. Sonic Team and SEGA have created a franchise where it's impossible for any game to please everybody.
Definitely the ever changing gameplay formula. Though the Sonic team has had so many employment/management changes it is halfway expected. There's a reason they've had so many voice actor changes beyond the typical contract ending. They really should have taken it in a direction like Mario or Zelda. Mario has Paper Mario / Mario & Luigi, Mario Party, and Mario Kart for alternative game genres and 2 platforming styles in the main series (2D scroller vs 64/Sunshine) and Zelda has the exploration based 2D games with the story driven 3D games. If Sonic went this route, there'd still be variation with the fans which would still have arguments, but not over 5 directions, and Sega could actually keep a consistent supply of games for both styles.
13:15 I loved that little tidbit, I even had like this cassette tape that had that song along with some of the other Disney Channel show songs I also liked their song where it went like "Yummy yummy yummy I got bugs in my tummy" and it ended with Timon and Pumbaa running away from a stink bug xDD
As a huge Sonic guy, I TOTALLY understand Jon's frustrations with the fandom. The whole thing is split into so many different sections that it attracts all the crazies despite the efforts of the sane ones to keep everything together. I tend to like pretty much everything Sonic in some way despite only really becoming a diehard thanks to Sonic Adventure, so I thank my lucky stars that I don't pay much attention to discussions and arguments about the series and mostly keep to myself. Also, the final part of Big's story is one of my favorite videos on the channel. That alone makes me hope for an eventual Sonic Shuffle series just so Jon can dick around as Big again in Mario Party mode. XD
Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral and sometimes illegal things, or just starting civil wars or whatever, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good. It’s your fault that vocal minorities of weird fans are never recognized as such, and are instead chalked up to the whole group. Furthermore, if you say that you like x but hate x fandom, you’re hating yourself too. Remember, you’re technically still part of the fandom, and there’s no rules for how much to have to engage with other people in order to be a fan. I know it’s a popular thing on the internet, but homicidal self-deprecation is unhealthy. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to say “I’m one of the good fans”, people calling your fandom toxic will still not accept you.
Now I totally got to see what fan art of "Big's Crossbow Training" would look like. 13:20 ... I STILL REMEMBER THAT SHORT! ...and I remember it way more clearly than I should.
shadowdemon1375 Nah, it goes for every fanbase out there. Every fanbase has those fans who take things too literal and too far, just people need to realize not everyone in said fanbase share those extreme views.
Homestarfan13: Exactly. Just because a portion of the fanbase are a bit "radical" doesn't make the franchise a bad one. We all have likes and dislikes. It's better to judge a franchise based on what it is as a whole and not solely on a fanbase. (be it games, comics, movies, etc.)
Jon brought up a pretty good point in this video. It's a real shame that the bad side of the Sonic fanbase is the one that's being represented as the typical Sonic Fan when that's not entirely true. There are a lot of bad fans yes but I've met a lot more good ones than bad. As for their LP on SA1 I actually thought that it was in good taste. It was pretty funny and they were having fun Playing it. and even if there were parts I disagreed with I'd never go "Death to TRG" because of it. It's just an opinion, nothing more. Jon if you're reading this comment I hope you meet more good fans and I'm so sorry you had to endure the hateful ones :/
I thought it was just audio glitches but... this episode its really noticeable that censoring is occurring. Probably know why, but wow is it noticeable
Jon the Big the Cat was the best part of an already fun LP! Some people need to let things go and have fun. Also, I don't blame you for that moment in the stream. It took me quite a while to remember the song Sonic Boom was not from the game Sonic Boom.
Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral and sometimes illegal things, or just starting civil wars or whatever, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good. It’s your fault that vocal minorities of weird fans are never recognized as such, and are instead chalked up to the whole group. Furthermore, if you say that you like x but hate x fandom, you’re hating yourself too. Remember, you’re technically still part of the fandom, and there’s no rules for how much to have to engage with other people in order to be a fan. I know it’s a popular thing on the internet, but homicidal self-deprecation is unhealthy. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to say “I’m one of the good fans”, people calling your fandom toxic will still not accept you.
Look, I know I'm in the least poplar team. In fact, I haven't seen anyone on the same team as me. But goddammit, you can do it Toad! Team AI will achieve victory this time!
I absolutely loved your big the cat voice and I don't mind it when people are not fans of sonic games since there are quite a few games that have not aged well or just are bad games
Hey, for the record, Jon. I'm a Sonic Fan, and I laughed so hard nearly that entire episode when you were just messing around the hub world as Big. I approve.
The best strategy I've used for Circuit Maximum is to rush through it, Amps be damned. The Amps can be hard to predict at times so sometimes it's better to hit by them ahead of time instead of getting caught off guard. The invincibility frames are forgiving enough that a hit can be worth it so you can safely get past a bigger, more dangerous group of them.
Speaking as someone who has grown up with Sonic-related media and is still somewhat involved on the Internet, allow me to offer my input on the Sonic fanbase: Because of the nature of the Sonic franchise as a whole (the numerous cartoons, anime, and comics in addition to the video games), there are a bunch of Sonic "fans" that are actually more fans of a certain part of the franchise. For example, you have one fan who has been with the franchise from the beginning on the Sega Genesis and prefers the Classic games (Sonic 1, 2, 3 & Knuckles, and CD) the most, while you have another fan who jumped onto the franchise with the Adventure games and like those games the most. Then you get fans who watched the Sonic cartoons in the 90s and their only knowledge of Sonic is from those cartoons and prefer those and the Archie comics (which feature a lot of the characters and setting from those cartoons) to the games themselves. And THEN you have the fans who started post-Sonic 06 and prefer the boost formula that Unleashed introduced. The list of reasons goes on. As a result of this, you get fans that are very opinionated about their preferences and, depending on how sane these guys can get, will get rather vocal about their opinions. Worst case scenario, you get people like Chris-Chan painting a bad picture of not just the Sonic fanbase, but also the Pokemon fanbase (to an extent) and people who make webcomics and original characters as a hobby.
I might watch the whole SA LP after this(since I only watched the Big The Cat Highlights, which were HILARIOUS), I loved the way you gave Big more personality! While watching it I was actually wondering that if he was more like you portrayed, he wouldn't be so annoying to most Sonic Fans. ...Dang, this is slightly a wall of text.
It's sad really. A part of me feels like I wouldn't have minded if he had cameos in stages like he did in SA2 in new games, but the other part is quoting Mr. Krabs: "It's for the best." Also, "It Doesn't Matter"? Lol
Regarding Sonic, I think it's because of the differing continuity and general lack of consistency that makes smaller fanbases for each show/era that fight with each other for what will get represented next, forming one quarrelsome giant "fandom". That and since many prominent reviewers don't generally respect most if any Sonic games (whether they warrant it or not) many resort to being more vocal to not just be ignored for simply liking a series that has so much stacked against it, which leads to blunt or aggressive speech patterns. On a side note I am a Sonic fan myself, but more liberal in the sense that I like pretty much everything not named Chronicles.
Misses Boo, gets his wallet burned, and then gets force backed to start. That was one roller coaster of a turn, only way it could have been worse was if he got that zapper one too.
People didn't like your big the cat playthough? Ugh, some people can't have fun. I get that people may not like Jon's messing around but you can clearly tell that he's having fun and that stuff is contagious!
Ok, so this is the second time the Snail won Insectiride in this playthrough, yet in all the 12 years of me owning (and playing) this game, I've never seen the Snail win once. Life sure is full of surprises.
This is why I keep my enjoyment of Sonic games to myself. I'll freely admit there are plenty of both bad Sonic games and bad Sonic fans. Also, I love Jon's Big the Cat voice
Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral and sometimes illegal things, or just starting civil wars or whatever, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good. It’s your fault that vocal minorities of weird fans are never recognized as such, and are instead chalked up to the whole group. Furthermore, if you say that you like x but hate x fandom, you’re hating yourself too. Remember, you’re technically still part of the fandom, and there’s no rules for how much to have to engage with other people in order to be a fan. I know it’s a popular thing on the internet, but homicidal self-deprecation is unhealthy. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to say “I’m one of the good fans”, people calling your fandom toxic will still not accept you.
What's funny is I am a Sonic lover, but I loved your LP of Sonic Adventure, because, living in this day and age, I can see the flaws of the game, but at the same time, I still think it's one of, if not, the best Sonic game.
I'm a sonic fan who loved the big voice and how silly it was, though I also don't treat sonic&friends very seriously in general and enjoy things I can rip into... and, well, there are a few sonic games that are easy to rip into
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"No offense to Sonic fans, but fuck a lot of Sonic fans."
Jon, as the most die hard Sonic fan you will ever find, you are absolutely, 100% right.
ShadowSilver1991 "Shadowsilver1991"
Yep, checks out.
Quote of the episode:
Chugga: How could I have been last? I barely missed any!
Chugga, you may want to rewatch the episode.
Anthony Ju I'll say
Anthony Ju ikr, but that was downright dickish by the game, he lost 30 coins and he was the only one who could afford it
TheGamer Bros Welcome to mario party :)
Galen Dyck but when that John has like a hundred, 10 coin battle
Anthony Ju Ikr he missed like 10.
Last time I was this early, Chugga hadn't lost his innocence yet.
Pink Boo: "The light hurts my pale complexion."
Normal Boo: "Dude, I'm paler than you. I look like I've seen another ghost."
Me: "What, you expect me to sing you the song?"
Now we need a Red Boo and a Yellow Boo... then Pacman can go OMNOMNOM
I find it even weirder that the Pink Boo is basically a valley girl.
4th place Walugi is same size as 3rd place Toad.
Adrian Woodruff lol I actually didn't notice that
Little Waluigi is the same height as little Toady
I loved Jon's Big the Cat voice. One of the best parts of the Sonic Adventure series!
On the Sonic fanbase discussion...
Part of the reason why the Sonic fanbase is so... Weird, is because, well, there isn't really one Sonic fanbase. There's pretty much a fanbase for every different style of Sonic, whether it be Classic, Adventure, Heroes, Shadow, Unleashed (the boost formula as a whole), Lost World, or different media such as the comics.
The Sonic fanbase is often seen as this annoying bunch of hypocritical, ungrateful (man)children who can't accept anything new or old, but in reality it's that the community is so split that it's at constant civil war with itself. Classic fans arguing with Adventure or boost fans etc. and that's due to Sega being so experimental during the Dark Ages of Sonic, in a desperate attempt to "keep up" and keep the series alive.
This is a pretty good summary.
NateSnivySmasher but it still meshes up into an awful time: like how can someone outside the fanbase(s) enjoy it if not even the poeple inside of it/them enjoy it?
Not to mention those review sites such as IGN rolling in with their bias steamroller and only adding fuel to the fire.
Yep, it's pretty much that. The series has no "identity". You know there's a massive issue when people can't agree on what makes a sonic game a sonic game, and ESPECIALLY when two people can love everything the other hates and still be part of the same fandom.
The closest similar schism I'm aware of is what's been going on in the Fire Emblem community the past few years, but that is TAME compared to what happens CONSTANTLY in the sonic fanbase. At least FE has a well-grounded "bare essentials" for being a FE game, it's just people disagreeing on what makes a "good" FE game. Whereas Sonic fans can't even figure out what the bloody hell they want their games to be in the first place.
Yeah, the Fire Emblem "split" is basically between pre-Awakening and post-Awakening fans for the most part, though it's harder for pre-A fans to hate post-A fans because fire emblem might not be a thing anymore had Awakening not sold well.
Sonic fans... Well, I know nothing about them. I don't think anyone does. I had a friend in junior high (mid-"dark age of sonic") who was a really diehard sonic fan, Sonic could do no wrong, but I never actually talked with him about it because it mostly just annoyed me. And that was my first exposure to Sonic as a franchise.
I think a big problem with sonic right now is not just that the fans are impossible to please, but that they've managed to become one of the best "Bad-PR" engines the world has ever known.
As someone who is a huge fucking sonic fan, i am very sorry you were treated like that Jon. :( i enjoyed the SA1 lets play a ton!!
Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral and sometimes illegal things, or just starting civil wars or whatever, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good. It’s your fault that vocal minorities of weird fans are never recognized as such, and are instead chalked up to the whole group. Furthermore, if you say that you like x but hate x fandom, you’re hating yourself too. Remember, you’re technically still part of the fandom, and there’s no rules for how much to have to engage with other people in order to be a fan. I know it’s a popular thing on the internet, but homicidal self-deprecation is unhealthy. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to say “I’m one of the good fans”, people calling your fandom toxic will still not accept you. Course, expressing sympathy for somebody is something else entirely.
@@diamondminer5459 I agree. The furry fandom is actually surprisingly welcoming despite the vocal minority wanting fuck actual animals. But yeah, I loved Jon's Big the Cat voice and he did it better justice than The Game Grumps did for Ocarina of Time. Seriously, THAT LP was bad whether you're a Zelda fan or not. I personally think with Danganronpa and Ace Attorney, Arin and Danny are finally taking their craft seriously or at least not randomly going on tangents throughout the LP. But honestly, when I talk about "Sonic fans" I do NOT mean people like you. I'm friends with plenty of great Sonic fans, it's the ones that use name calling for not getting everything right you have to watch out for.
I'll try to explain the Sonic fandom the best way I can: It's divided, plain and simple.
Because Sonic Team experimented with a lot of gameplay styles (the 2D games, Adventure, Heroes, Boost formula, Lost World, and that's just to name a few), people have grown to like some gameplay styles and hate others. Combine that with different representations of the comics (Archie and Sonic the Comic) and the TV shows with Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, SatAM, the Boom cartoon, Underground, and Sonic X, nobody in the Sonic fandom can agree on what Sonic is, what he should be, and what they want out of a Sonic game because the fans are divided.
That's how I've come to see the Sonic fandom: Divided because of the experimentation done with the series.
Division and arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, keep this in mind. Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves.
At least their latest style is one of the more acceptable ones.
"No offense to Sonic fans, but fuck a lot o' Sonic fans"
I agree with this.
Joshi and fuck those fans who trash Mario
Mario has been the least trashed from my experience. In fact, I could say that a lot of Mario fans are some of the most narcissistic, elitist jerks who won't accept anyone thinking Mario is not the "savior" of video games. Obviously, that statement would only implie to the toxic people, but whenever I mention it, they don't believe me and accuse me of having no taste in video games (I personally don't care for them too much, but I won't stop anyone else from enjoying them.)
Believe me, every fanbase has their ups and downs, it's just that we give the toxic ones so much attention that we think they make up the majority, but in fact they actually make up the minority. The bad things always get more coverage than the good things. All fanbases have their fair share of toxic people, it's just that some are more well-hidden than others. Mario's fans certainly turned me off of his games, mostly because I can't stand hearing them talk about him like he's "perfect" ( just because his games are good, doesn't mean I'm going to put him up on a pedestal above other games I enjoy just as much.) Obviously, not all of them are like that, just like not all Sonic fans are like that. Unfortunately, since people just love bringing attention to the few bad ones, he's gonna get a lot more flak for something that no one can control. So far, I've only seen the good side of the Sonic fanbase that a lot of people overeact to and claim as the worst. As for the bad side.... Well, just from people who call themselves "fans" but always bashes Sonic for a ridiculous reason, but I digress.
Many fanbases have their bad side, but people just love to point out only Sonic (equality, right?), because it's just what they love to do. Why can't anyone enjoy a game anymore in peace without being ridiculed for being a black sheep of the video game world?
(FYI, I loved the "bad" games from Sonic. Does that mean I'm stupid or ignorant? No, I just know what I like. You haters can deal with it.)
P.S. Sorry for the long comment. If anyone reads this to the end (or if they read it at all), know that I don't want to offend anybody. I just want this internet trash to end.
RandomGamer95 : I was trying to imply that it turned me off of it for a while, but maybe I didn't word that correctly. I was trying to imply that all fans can be toxic in their own ways, but the fanbases shouldn't be labeled because of the few toxic fans.
I never said they turned me off for good, I was just stating my past experiences and I let them get to me. I let them ruin my enjoyment and I thought all fans were like that. Now I realize that those were just a few loud, obnoxious morons on the internet and now I ignore them. I do use that strategy, I just didn't have the knowledge back when I was younger. In other words, I was quick to judge just like the people of today.
All I was trying to state is that people usually label fanbases as "bad" because of their terrible experiences with the people associated with that particular franchise. I don't remember saying ignore the toxic fans specifically, I was saying that the good side doesn't get nearly enough recognition as the diseased side, which is sad.
I was merely using myself as a previous example of judging something as a whole before getting to know both sides of the story. Of course, I probably didn't make that clear enough and for that I apologize. Words aren't really my strong suit, especially when it comes to communicating to others. I deeply am sorry to cause such misunderstanding, but I do hope I have cleared some things up. Please don't be mad, I never meant to offend. ^-^
RandomGamer95: It's alright, you are fine. I usually come off as bitter too despite that not being my intentions. Thank you for understanding.
That one guy in the comments who said Tim needed to use his warp pipe earlier, eat your words.
It wouldn't have been a bad move. It was predictable Tim would lose the slow race with Jon. It was only by Jon's horrible luck and the AI's bizarre turn that he bounced back. We know Tim's not great at earning coins, so him trading 40 for a star is a big deal. Not an easy choice, either way. Hope his luck holds.
Time for some alphabet soup! What? How else can you eat words?
+You and what toaster Still. Tim holding onto the warp pipe was the better move as it gave him an easy star. Tim clearly wanted to wait until he saw a better opportunity and he took it. I'd say it was a wise move.
After some fortunate turn of events gave him the star, it's kind of easy to say it was the smarter move. I'm guessing Tim thought it was still a race and held onto the item to see how things panned out, which isn't a bad move. However, as he rolled high it showed the warp pipe was worth considering.
It's not that it wouldn't have been a bad move. It's that what Tim ended up doing was better even if luck was involved. The guy acted like Tim made a poor move, but anyone who saw what Tim was planning on doing with the warp pipe knew it wasn't a bad decision at all.
It's so weird having TRG censored now, it just became super noticeable to me at 9:38 but at least it's just audio getting cut and not a bleep
PK Madrigal if it was a bleep it would be *BEEEEEP*ing annoying
yeah, I'm still getting used to it. Jon mentioned in a recent stream that it's because RUclips was de-monetizing their videos for crude language so they have to censor.
And yet, there are other youtuber's , big or small, who haven't had their videos de-monetize for crude languages, or anything in the matter.
Which tells me that RUclips is being heavily bias to the most targeted youtubers.
That sucks, but it should be fine if they don't go back and screw with all the old videos.
According to what I can tell, what's being demonetized most is specifically F***, S*** and sexual content. But it does make me wonder how much certain channels are or aren't getting hit.
13:52 "I barely missed any!" He actually missed 8 lmao
9 but yeah
ShinobiNintendo mm
Honestly, I loved when you played as Big because you made it so entertaining! Even if no progress was made i found myself having a smile on my face
Wait... Sonic fans ragged on Jon's Big The Cat voice? Weird, because not only was that actually funny, but it was pretty much the highlight of the entire SA1 playthrough.
What about the Old Man (and before anyone says anything, I enjoyed Big the Cat immensely).
+Zeph_1000 Old Man was funny too, but Jon doing BTC's voice was so great and hilarious, it's now one of the first things I think of whenever I think about SA1.
I'm a Sonic fan and I thought Jon's Big the Cat voice as absolutely hilarious. I'm actually quite surprised that there was backlash against it.
I really love Sonic The Hedgehog since I was a kid and I couldn't stop laughing their playthrough
Well it did start to get seriously obnoxious after a while.
Oddly, Waluigi is the only one who doesn't fit this board. Does Chuggaa win because he's DK and DK has all the stars?
Minus Bros. With the way things have been going for Emile so far, I'd say the chances of that happening are slim.
Then again, we ARE talking about a game where Jon managed to snag a victory at the last possible second on E. Gadd's Garage, so I guess anything's possible.
8:42 "I'm Donkey the Cat! Buy my boo-... err, star!"
I liked the Big the Cat voice. ^^ I was happy to see it return to a recent stream.
Uh oh, Tim got the button mashing vehicle...
2:18 I like how Twila doesn't complain about the pot not being completely full or doesn't accuse someone of cheating out. She just reassures that the Battle will go on.
9:59 Oh boy, it's this story.
10:08 And then Bagel stream came along, and Reese got introduced to Big the Cat.
12:33 And then Jon's previous reference to create-a-characters came to fruition in Forces. Certainly has potential, but Imma refrain from judging until the full product's out.
13:26 I think after the second chorus Pumbaa continues to get hurt during the violin interlude. And in true cartoon fashion, the level of pain escalates with each incident that happens to Pumbaa.
14:30 Yeah, the end credits to Wish-maker is something. Think it's one of the few times 4Kids kept Japanese lyrics in their movie.
Chugga: "I barely missed any"
Me: "you were swinging wildly most of the time and you also missed a lot"
Hearing the song I'm so used to from 7 being the main theme of this board fills me with happiness...
And chortles.
Tim is playing very well so far! That was a good mini game showing.
I LOVED Jon's Big the Cat run, and the TRG run of Sonic Adventure as a whole. :D I'd like to seem more games like that. I'm sure SA2 would be welcome.
As a Sonic Fan myself, I tend to place the cause on the fact that SEGA Sonic Team has done so much experimenting over the years and because of it Sonic Fans seem to stand by and fiercely defend whichever game/era they were introduced to him with. For example my first Sonic games were Adventure DX for the PC and Heroes for the PS2 back when they were first released, however I never finished either game till much later because I was more into Sly Cooper at the time. I didn't get back into the series till I tried Sonic '06 after hearing all the negative things about it, so I picked up a PS3 copy and tried it out. And I enjoyed my time with it I could see the negative but overall I didn't and still don't think it's as bad as everyone says it is. Same with Unleashed which was my 2nd game I believe after getting back into the franchise.
I enjoyed your Sonic Adventure playthrough and I'm a causal Sonic fan.
I feel part of why the Sonic fandom (and by extension the Mega Man fandom as well) can be so crabby is due to the fact that the general public views what they love differently than a fan would and sometimes negative press can really put a damper on a series.
That being said I also feel that the Sonic fandoms takes its series for granted at times. A cartoon, new games ever so often, a comic that lasted for YEARS, another comic that got a unofficial continuation, the aforementioned Twitter account; they have a lot to be proud of. They kinda need to learn or relearn that not everyone loves the series as they do and be thankful that Sega gives the Sonic series the love it gets even with the undesirables within the Sonic fanbase.
@ProtonJon I'm so sorry that you were snapped at about the Sonic Boom mixup. So many things share the same blasted name and it was an honest mistake to make. They didn't need to snap at you. Tell Bagel I hope he's doing well.
John Delgado Don't bring megan man into this lmao
It's not just Sonic fans than can get crazy. Nearly every fanbase invites these type of people; the more popular the IP, the more crazy fans you get. It's this reason why I want nothing to do with Steven Universe or it's fans.
It's too bad that folks have deterred you from actually watching Steven Universe. :x You may enjoy it! For one, there are a lot of morals in the show that the "fans" don't seem to follow, so... just know that they aren't representing the show well. I love Steven Universe perhaps more than most other fans, and I stay faaaar away from the fanbase.
Of course, it's your choice! Nobody can force you to watch it... at least, I hope nobody's trying to do that.
Same for SU tbh, although half of it was the constant mention of it derailing every single conversation got annoying pretty fast.
Yeah, I have pretty much negative interest in Steven Universe because a disturbingly large chunk of the fanbase decided to project their politics onto it. Then there's the fan artist who attempted suicide due to being bullied for drawing a character "too skinny". I can't look at that series neutrally thanks to these people.
That is... wow. I know Namadu said that the fans don't represent the show but seeing star like this just can't make me avoid the show any less. :/
The show does not speak for those people. Regarding that near suicide incident, the creators of the show even voiced their disapproval of what happened. Don't let a fan ruin something for you or they win.
Time to explain the reasons for the Sonic Fan Psyche:
We get very defensive and downright crazy of our positions and opinions because:
*1* Sega going 3rd party made fans realize that Nintendo and Mario had beaten Sonic in the console race.
*2* Sonic x got new fans into the series (like myself) who started to take the sonic series way too seriously
*3* the voice actor war between Ryan Drummond fans and Jason Griffin fans made us easy punchlines before Twlight, bronies, FNAF, or Undertale even existed (I fully admit being a part of this on team Drummond).
*4* 06's beastialty opened the public's eye to shipping, furries (which we literally invented: Sally Acorn), and 4chan. (I didn't take part in this).
*5* the terrible quality of the games during the dark age [depending on who you ask it can start as early as heroes and end as late as colors; I see it as Shadow/x season 3 ('05) to green eyes ('10)] made people question our sanity for repeatedly buying shit (the sonic cycle, IGN, etc.).
*6* Green eyes and the old fans trying to buy the trademark to sonic 1 to force sega to cancel sonic 4 (yes, this actually happened) which revealed how crazy some of our older, genesis era fans had gotten (I was among those laughing my ass off, since I grew up only with green-eyed sonic).
*7* After a full 2 years (2010-2012) of quality, functional games (4 ep 1&2, racing transformed, colors, and generations), the quality went right back to shit with rise of lyric, again making us laughingstocks.
*8* Game Grumps, the Sonic twitter, and other Internet personalities reminding everyone about the dark age {and unfairly grouping in the adventure games with 06; FUCK YOU ARIN [but not Jon (Jafari and Proton), Chugga, and Tim; y'all were awesome]}.
*9* Sega themselves, because they have put out so much wildly different content, in tone, story, gameplay, and quality just to keep sonic relevant (which I know sega needs to do because Sonic, as a character, was sold on his 'coolness' and 'coolness' is hard to maintain for 25+ years as trends and culture change) has developed many different schisms amongst the fanbase
*10* these schisms are massive and 'fights' between them go public (like the voice actor war, they get huge). As I see it, there are really 5 (or 6) main groups of the fanbase
*10a* ; *classic* *fans* (as most people see them): Classic fans got into sonic during his height, the genesis era. This is the most positively seen sect of the fanbase due to their high presence on RUclips thanks to guys like SomeCallMeJohnny. They get along with themselves quite well and are able to enjoy the non-classic games. In general, favorite character is (classic) sonic.
*10b* ; *archie* *fans* : these are the fans who got into sonic because of satam (the early 90's cartoon with the darker atmosphere and the freedom fighters;) and the archie comics and. they aren't too big into the games (primarily because the stories of the games don't match the archie stories, but if they do play them, they're usually into the classic games. If you say the words "Ken Penders" to them, they will stab you. In general, their favorite characters are Sally Acorn, (archie) Sonic, (pre 3rd party) Knuckles, and (satam) Robotnik.
*10c* ; *Boom fans* : these are the kids who just got into sonic because of the sonic boom cartoon, and nothing else. In general, their favorite characters are (boom) sonic and (boom) knuckles. They don't really know much about the history of the fanbase, and don't really care, other than the occasional meme.
*10d* ; *memes* : these are the people who just troll sonic fans (like Arin Hanson and Aaron Webber) and don't give a shit about the games, other than to laugh at 06, and the adventure games. Their favorite characters are (boom) Eggman and Big. They get along with classic fans, but are loathed by adventure and archie fans
*10e* ; *adventure* / *dark* *age* *fans* : this is where everyone else (myself included) is lumped into. 'We' are considered shippers, furries (although I consider that archie), and Deivantart. 'We' are pissed off at Sega for ignoring us (no sonic adventure 3), trolling us (big's big fishing adventure 3), and making the plots too safe and simplistic (boom/colors/lost world). Our most famous in-community person is Roger Van Wielde, who did the 'sonic in minutes', animations. For us, we are still loyal to sonic and are extremely defensive of our positions so much that we can't even talk to each other with out starting a flame war. Adventure 1 vs. Adventure 2 is a great example. We will (as I am loathe to admit that I have done before) go into long arguments over which adventure game is better (I'm on team adventure 1), bringing up the worst parts of each adventure game repeatedly (big and amy gets brought up by adventure 2 side, any knuckles or rouge stage gets brought up by myself and others on the adventure 1 side). But that's just adventure 1 and 2, we still can't agree on who was the best voice actor (we just sort of generally settled on "at least their both better than Roger Craig Smith"), if Heroes was good (I say yes), if unleashed was good (I say no), if the wii games were good (I say no), or who would win between sonic and shadow in a fight (I say sonic). Mind you, 'we' are the ones who will dislike bomb any video that negatively portrays sonic because we are attacked not only from the outside, but from ourselves within the fanbase. Needless to say, we get along poorly with the other sects of the sonic fanbase. 'Our' favorite characters are usually sonic and shadow. I've been using single quotation marks whenever I say "we", because that's only a general feeling from within our group.
The only thing I've ever seen the *ENTIRE* fan base agree on is that generations hd, Sonic 3&Knuckles, and advance 1 (for those whom have played it) are at least good interms of gameplay
tl;dr: The adventure/dark age fans get angry/are defensive because it sort of feels like the whole world is against us.
Kudos for writing all of that (I've been behind on the Mario Party videos lol) My only question is does the Sonic Advance and Sonic Rush games count as Dark Age? Cuz they are great games, work more like Genesis era but are always forgotten.
Amanda Slough Advance 1 & 2 are before the dark age and the rush games were the only 2 good games (or at least generally seen as okay) during the dark age.
I, never knew ANY of this about the fandom..kudos for the infomation though.
My take on toxicity:
Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral and sometimes illegal things, or just starting civil wars or whatever, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good. It’s your fault that vocal minorities of weird fans are never recognized as such, and are instead chalked up to the whole group. Furthermore, if you say that you like x but hate x fandom, you’re hating yourself too. Remember, you’re technically still part of the fandom, and there’s no rules for how much to have to engage with other people in order to be a fan. I know it’s a popular thing on the internet, but homicidal self-deprecation is unhealthy. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to say “I’m one of the good fans”, people calling your fandom toxic will still not accept you.
I've been playing a bunch of Mario Party 7 recently and one thing I've noticed is that the bonus stars at the end of the boards are completely random from a pool of like 6 stars and I love that that makes the games a lot more tense, especially when the scores on the board are closer
If TRG thought that ending of E. Gadd's Garage was something, oh boy, wait until they start playing Mario Party 7.
(FYI, this is also done in Mario Party 8. And I think there's more stars in the pool that time.)
John the Crossover Master Unless the Coin Star made a return, I think MP8 also had a pool of 6 bonus stars to pull from.
Yeah, I wasn't quite sure if there was more. I do know that MP8 follows the same bonus star mechanic of 7.
"They said it's not another Sonic Generations." You're right. Sonic Generations was good. And that clearly wasn't what they were going for with Forces.
What is Waluigis favorite drink
Waaaaaater
Yeah, I like Sonic games a lot, but damn, a lot of the hardcore Sonic fans need to chill the fuck out. lol
Agreed
^Found one
Really you could apply that to any 'hardcore' members of a fanbase. Not that the Sonic fanbase isn't bad, speaking as one. Like most people in the Dark Souls community are cool but some of them will get on your case if you ever play the game with a friend because "That's not how the game's suppposed to be played."
And here we see your point proven XD
Sinful Shadow because colors is one of the best sonic games that's not just my opinion it's a lot of others
It's becoming CANNON that TRG is attracted to the start space.
They sure are having a BLAST with this one
Anthony Ju these puns are on FIRE
Anthony Ju
"FIRE the CANNONs of mayhem!"
Anthony Ju
I would join in on the puns, but I'd probably bomb it. :(
When I make I pun, I(s)land right on the mark.
12:54 "We're short a few, but we'll still play!"
Yep, 67 is not that much lower than 120.
(immediately stops video to see the Timon and Pumbaa Stand By Me video)
AmishParadise27 (AKA: Tyler) ah, Disney Sing Along Songs. What a happy childhood...
Or just me watching the Timon and Pumbaa TV series a lot as a kid. Either way, awesome memories.
I LOVED the Big the Cat portions of the Sonic playthrough solely BECAUSE of Jon's voice. I don't know how anyone could hate it.
As a person who loves the adventure games and has a general like for most other Sonic games: You guys did an amazing SA LP and don't let anyone tell you different.
I think the reason that a lot of Sonic fans get really triggered and up-in-arms all the time might also be due to the fact that they do get A LOT of shit thrown at them. Not only do some bad titles come out, but then you have to deal with being the butt of so many jokes for years. Doesn't help when some people actually run with the small jokes, and turns it into a "Sonic was never good" sort of deal.
My take (not sure if this is accidentally posted twice on this comment):
Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral and sometimes illegal things, or just starting civil wars or whatever, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good. It’s your fault that vocal minorities of weird fans are never recognized as such, and are instead chalked up to the whole group. Furthermore, if you say that you like x but hate x fandom, you’re hating yourself too. Remember, you’re technically still part of the fandom, and there’s no rules for how much to have to engage with other people in order to be a fan. I know it’s a popular thing on the internet, but homicidal self-deprecation is unhealthy. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to say “I’m one of the good fans”, people calling your fandom toxic will still not accept you.
As a sonic fan I enjoy most sonic playthroughs as long as they're fair and aren't just like, "oh this game is shit because it's shit and I don't like it." That really grinds my gears. But I'm not gonna call that person an asshat or whatever for not liking sonic, that's stupid and immature. I'll just not watch the videos. Like, if the player's having fun dicking around then that's cool (because they're having fun) but if the entire playthrough is dedicated to shitting on the game then that's a massive turn-off for me.
Now I'm gonna go rewatch the TRG SA1 playthrough because that sounds like a good time
edit: and that goes for any other playthroughs too. Like, unless the game *really* deserves it I don't like watching a playthrough of anything that's overly negative.
"How am i in last, i barely missed any"
*Rewinds to emile flailing whenever a stamp was coming*
That last minigame is the perfect time for Tom to do his magic in SFM.
Sonic has a temperamental fanbase because people outside the fanbase never shut up about how Sonic has a temperamental fanbase, which makes the temperamental fans angry and the non-temperamental fans eventually become temperamental because they get sick of hearing about it.
Going at a snail's pace has a new meaning in my life.
Does Toad still have a chance? The *tide* of the game is changing fast!
Original Gameteer maybe all he needs is a WAVE of good luck to win!
Guess we'll have to wait and *sea*
Original Gameteer now where was that pun nousse my friends picked out for me regarding this episode
Original Gameteer I'm late but I'm finally here for the daily puns
Go Tim! You won the last board and you're doing really well on this board too. Nice use of the Pipe. It is probably the best item to use on this board since it requires being at the right place at the right time. Keep it up! Long live the Green Dino!
Jon as Big the Cat were my favorite parts of the Sonic Let's Play.
I am happy that Chugga thought it could be SA3. I know the Adventure series gets a lot of flack these days, but SA2 is still one of my favorite games, period. I heavily doubt SEGA will make it, but it would be great.
As a fan of Sonic, fuck the fanbase. Debate the degree of deservedness, but it's one of the most toxic and fragmented fanbases I have ever seen.
The main factor I place on the fanbase being so all over the place is the constant changes in style the Sonic games keep taking, between yearly releases, countless spin-offs, and the fact that every major entry does some major gameplay overhaul since the series went 3D. Seriously, with the exception of the Adventure games and maybe the Boost trilogy (if you disregard the Wisps), both only in parts at that, no game since Sonic went 3D has had the same structure and gameplay as the game preceding it. Sonic Team and SEGA have created a franchise where it's impossible for any game to please everybody.
Definitely the ever changing gameplay formula. Though the Sonic team has had so many employment/management changes it is halfway expected. There's a reason they've had so many voice actor changes beyond the typical contract ending.
They really should have taken it in a direction like Mario or Zelda. Mario has Paper Mario / Mario & Luigi, Mario Party, and Mario Kart for alternative game genres and 2 platforming styles in the main series (2D scroller vs 64/Sunshine) and Zelda has the exploration based 2D games with the story driven 3D games. If Sonic went this route, there'd still be variation with the fans which would still have arguments, but not over 5 directions, and Sega could actually keep a consistent supply of games for both styles.
13:15 I loved that little tidbit, I even had like this cassette tape that had that song along with some of the other Disney Channel show songs I also liked their song where it went like "Yummy yummy yummy I got bugs in my tummy" and it ended with Timon and Pumbaa running away from a stink bug xDD
As a huge Sonic guy, I TOTALLY understand Jon's frustrations with the fandom. The whole thing is split into so many different sections that it attracts all the crazies despite the efforts of the sane ones to keep everything together. I tend to like pretty much everything Sonic in some way despite only really becoming a diehard thanks to Sonic Adventure, so I thank my lucky stars that I don't pay much attention to discussions and arguments about the series and mostly keep to myself.
Also, the final part of Big's story is one of my favorite videos on the channel. That alone makes me hope for an eventual Sonic Shuffle series just so Jon can dick around as Big again in Mario Party mode. XD
Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral and sometimes illegal things, or just starting civil wars or whatever, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good. It’s your fault that vocal minorities of weird fans are never recognized as such, and are instead chalked up to the whole group. Furthermore, if you say that you like x but hate x fandom, you’re hating yourself too. Remember, you’re technically still part of the fandom, and there’s no rules for how much to have to engage with other people in order to be a fan. I know it’s a popular thing on the internet, but homicidal self-deprecation is unhealthy. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to say “I’m one of the good fans”, people calling your fandom toxic will still not accept you.
I loved your sonic adventure play through. Jon's Big the Cat voice was hilarious.
Now I totally got to see what fan art of "Big's Crossbow Training" would look like.
13:20
... I STILL REMEMBER THAT SHORT! ...and I remember it way more clearly than I should.
I didn't know Chugga watched Jirachi Wishmaker! That was my favorite movie as a kid and I love the ending credits song :D
thanks for reminding me of a lost piece of my childhood with wishmaker chugga
Before people comment, keep in mind this was recorded way before Sega announced the customizable character for Sonic Forces.
I actually looked up a TAS for this game. The snowboarding minigame went up to above 9000 degrees
It's okay Jon, I'm an old school Sonic fan and I love your Big the Cat impersonation.
All I'll say about the Sonic Fanbase is don't judge the franchise as a whole just because there are some idiots in the fanbase.
Homestarfan13 I'd argue that goes for a lot of fanbases
Pretty much.
Homestarfan13 He literally said that he has met good and bad sonic fans
shadowdemon1375 Nah, it goes for every fanbase out there. Every fanbase has those fans who take things too literal and too far, just people need to realize not everyone in said fanbase share those extreme views.
Homestarfan13: Exactly. Just because a portion of the fanbase are a bit "radical" doesn't make the franchise a bad one. We all have likes and dislikes. It's better to judge a franchise based on what it is as a whole and not solely on a fanbase. (be it games, comics, movies, etc.)
I'm surprised to hear that people didn't like Jon's Big voice. I love his Big Voice!!
9:05 frooooggggyyyyyyy, where are yoooouuuuuu? I love how you guys made the first episode of Big's Story the best part of the lp
jon as a sonic fan my self. i think you made sonci adventure better with your big voice. thats when i laughed the most in the videos.
What a great start to this video.
Oh they were talking about forces, oh no
Yeah they probably should have done an adventure 3
Jon brought up a pretty good point in this video. It's a real shame that the bad side of the Sonic fanbase is the one that's being represented as the typical Sonic Fan when that's not entirely true. There are a lot of bad fans yes but I've met a lot more good ones than bad. As for their LP on SA1 I actually thought that it was in good taste. It was pretty funny and they were having fun Playing it. and even if there were parts I disagreed with I'd never go "Death to TRG" because of it. It's just an opinion, nothing more. Jon if you're reading this comment I hope you meet more good fans and I'm so sorry you had to endure the hateful ones :/
Pretty much.
I thought it was just audio glitches but... this episode its really noticeable that censoring is occurring.
Probably know why, but wow is it noticeable
Jon the Big the Cat was the best part of an already fun LP! Some people need to let things go and have fun. Also, I don't blame you for that moment in the stream. It took me quite a while to remember the song Sonic Boom was not from the game Sonic Boom.
Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral and sometimes illegal things, or just starting civil wars or whatever, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good. It’s your fault that vocal minorities of weird fans are never recognized as such, and are instead chalked up to the whole group. Furthermore, if you say that you like x but hate x fandom, you’re hating yourself too. Remember, you’re technically still part of the fandom, and there’s no rules for how much to have to engage with other people in order to be a fan. I know it’s a popular thing on the internet, but homicidal self-deprecation is unhealthy. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to say “I’m one of the good fans”, people calling your fandom toxic will still not accept you.
I really can't help but flinch at them talking about Forces with mild interest when it flopped so hard.
Edit: Sonic Forces
Look, I know I'm in the least poplar team. In fact, I haven't seen anyone on the same team as me. But goddammit, you can do it Toad! Team AI will achieve victory this time!
Colonel Wepler I felt the same way for Luigi, you don't know how much it sucked to see him lose.
Its times like 12:31 when I have to remind my self you guys record these things like a millennia in advance.
7:50 Bowser, that’s your own lackey you’re firing at there.😂
I've given up with Emile. Watching him play the Note to Self and that Stamp Battle minigame was painful, especially on all previously played accounts.
I absolutely loved your big the cat voice and I don't mind it when people are not fans of sonic games since there are quite a few games that have not aged well or just are bad games
Hey, for the record, Jon. I'm a Sonic Fan, and I laughed so hard nearly that entire episode when you were just messing around the hub world as Big.
I approve.
All dat pre-Forces talk
Also I remember that Timon and Pummba short
Thank you for the Johnny Bravo rendition reference
People didn't like Jon's Big the Cat voice? I thought that was one of the best things about that play through.
"No offence to sonic fans
But fuck a lot of sonic fans"
God I love jon
I'm a Sonic fan and I loved the Sonic Adventure LP you guys did.
The best strategy I've used for Circuit Maximum is to rush through it, Amps be damned. The Amps can be hard to predict at times so sometimes it's better to hit by them ahead of time instead of getting caught off guard. The invincibility frames are forgiving enough that a hit can be worth it so you can safely get past a bigger, more dangerous group of them.
Speaking as someone who has grown up with Sonic-related media and is still somewhat involved on the Internet, allow me to offer my input on the Sonic fanbase:
Because of the nature of the Sonic franchise as a whole (the numerous cartoons, anime, and comics in addition to the video games), there are a bunch of Sonic "fans" that are actually more fans of a certain part of the franchise. For example, you have one fan who has been with the franchise from the beginning on the Sega Genesis and prefers the Classic games (Sonic 1, 2, 3 & Knuckles, and CD) the most, while you have another fan who jumped onto the franchise with the Adventure games and like those games the most. Then you get fans who watched the Sonic cartoons in the 90s and their only knowledge of Sonic is from those cartoons and prefer those and the Archie comics (which feature a lot of the characters and setting from those cartoons) to the games themselves. And THEN you have the fans who started post-Sonic 06 and prefer the boost formula that Unleashed introduced. The list of reasons goes on.
As a result of this, you get fans that are very opinionated about their preferences and, depending on how sane these guys can get, will get rather vocal about their opinions. Worst case scenario, you get people like Chris-Chan painting a bad picture of not just the Sonic fanbase, but also the Pokemon fanbase (to an extent) and people who make webcomics and original characters as a hobby.
I love how Jon calls out the sonic fans LOL
5:11 Something about the way that Jon reads Bowser's laughter makes me laugh so much myself.
I might watch the whole SA LP after this(since I only watched the Big The Cat Highlights, which were HILARIOUS), I loved the way you gave Big more personality! While watching it I was actually wondering that if he was more like you portrayed, he wouldn't be so annoying to most Sonic Fans. ...Dang, this is slightly a wall of text.
Sonic fans think he's dumb, others like him ironically, others like him genuinely, it doesn't matter...Sonic Team retired the character.
It's sad really. A part of me feels like I wouldn't have minded if he had cameos in stages like he did in SA2 in new games, but the other part is quoting Mr. Krabs: "It's for the best." Also, "It Doesn't Matter"? Lol
*Chuggaa misses 9 stamps*
"How did I get last? I barley missed any!"
Drinking game: anytime Jon does a Waluigi impression.
I was playing Minecraft while watching this and I heard a Slime right when Tim crashed at start. XD
How can anyone NOT like Jon's "Big the Cat" voice!? That was fucking hilarious!
Regarding Sonic, I think it's because of the differing continuity and general lack of consistency that makes smaller fanbases for each show/era that fight with each other for what will get represented next, forming one quarrelsome giant "fandom". That and since many prominent reviewers don't generally respect most if any Sonic games (whether they warrant it or not) many resort to being more vocal to not just be ignored for simply liking a series that has so much stacked against it, which leads to blunt or aggressive speech patterns.
On a side note I am a Sonic fan myself, but more liberal in the sense that I like pretty much everything not named Chronicles.
I love the Sonic adventure playthough.
FROGGY? WHERE ARE YOU?
Misses Boo, gets his wallet burned, and then gets force backed to start.
That was one roller coaster of a turn, only way it could have been worse was if he got that zapper one too.
I didn't care for that SA1 playthrough at all, but even then, I knew you were having fun.
I loved your guys big the cat section it was funny af
People didn't like your big the cat playthough? Ugh, some people can't have fun. I get that people may not like Jon's messing around but you can clearly tell that he's having fun and that stuff is contagious!
Ok, so this is the second time the Snail won Insectiride in this playthrough, yet in all the 12 years of me owning (and playing) this game, I've never seen the Snail win once. Life sure is full of surprises.
This is why I keep my enjoyment of Sonic games to myself. I'll freely admit there are plenty of both bad Sonic games and bad Sonic fans.
Also, I love Jon's Big the Cat voice
Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral and sometimes illegal things, or just starting civil wars or whatever, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good. It’s your fault that vocal minorities of weird fans are never recognized as such, and are instead chalked up to the whole group. Furthermore, if you say that you like x but hate x fandom, you’re hating yourself too. Remember, you’re technically still part of the fandom, and there’s no rules for how much to have to engage with other people in order to be a fan. I know it’s a popular thing on the internet, but homicidal self-deprecation is unhealthy. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to say “I’m one of the good fans”, people calling your fandom toxic will still not accept you.
Chuggaa sounded so broken while quoting Jirachi XD
What's funny is I am a Sonic lover, but I loved your LP of Sonic Adventure, because, living in this day and age, I can see the flaws of the game, but at the same time, I still think it's one of, if not, the best Sonic game.
I'm a sonic fan who loved the big voice and how silly it was, though I also don't treat sonic&friends very seriously in general and enjoy things I can rip into... and, well, there are a few sonic games that are easy to rip into
How weird, i just got done watching their Sonic Adventures playthrough again XD
I love how the recording frame rate causes the blinking in the Music Block game make the characters invisible.
I'm playing Pikmin!
...Not that it's related to anything. I just wanted you to know.
Jacob Spagnotti blind? or nah?
Nah, I've played that game dozens of times! It's the only strategy game that can hold my attention.
Mine too, I prefer Pikmin 2 but I can't wait for the new one to come out!
nice. great game to be playing :)
I mean, Hey Pikmin doesn't seem like a real pikmin game....
I actually liked Jon's Big the Cat voice. And it's Sonic Forces, but they are probably well-aware of that now.