Yup! It's not a footswitch. After receiving my pedals, I took one apart. It has a strip-type force-sensitive variable resistance element. The relaxed pressure resistance is ~100k ohms. Full foot pressure is ~10 ohms. The element is in parallel with a 1M ohm resistor.
Hey! Can PD705 send hi-hat continuous control messages via MIDI? I want to get sounds of different pedal positions between closed and opened for VST. Is there a pedal that could do it?
Sorry if this comment gets a little long, but anyways, here it goes. I highly advise you to read it all the way through to the end. Firstly I should probably explain why I even found this video in the first place. Long story short, I have this crazy idea in mind where I would play piano while playing drum sounds with my feet, and I talked to a friend of mine about this idea. Said friend looked at bass drum trigger pedals and they found this one and recommended it to me. So I found this video about it. Not sure if it'll really be adequate enough for my specific foot drumming needs though; I'm looking into and thinking about several options I could use, even if that means some of this is gonna have to be homemade DIY-style. If you're interested in my specific requirements for foot-drumming while playing piano just let me know and I'll write a separate comment. Secondly: You mentioned that this pedal is velocity sensitive even though it's a footswitch and you have no idea how that would work. I have an idea of what might be going on here: Perhaps it works in a similar way to how a keyboard detects the velocity of the keys for controlling dynamics. You see, on a keyboard, the way it usually works is that each key has usually 2 switches under it. As you move the key downward, the first switch closes, then as the key continues to descend, the second switch eventually closes. Now, as this is going on, the controller is essentially counting the amount of time in between when the first switch closes and when the second switch closes. It then uses this amount of time to determine the intensity of the note when you hear it. It's possible that the pedal shown in this video is using a very similar technique, except obviously it's not using a piano key but a pedal under your foot. Would be cool if anyone else in the comments section who understands this stuff, like an engineer or something, could maybe verify this or add their input to this discussion. Highly doubt the manufacturer of the pedal is gonna explain this stuff... manufacturers don't do that... all they do is advertise products to get folks to buy them. Roland certainly isn't gonna explain how their KT10 kick trigger works, neither is Yamaha gonna explain how their KU100 (or whatever it's called) kick trigger pedal works. And, I really think having even a basic understanding of how these pedals actually work, mechanically/electronically, can be helpful in determining which pedals are compatible with which drum modules and such.
Indeed, it's not a footswitch. After receiving my pedals, I took one apart. It has a strip-type force-sensitive variable resistance element. The relaxed pressure resistance is ~100k ohms. Full foot pressure is ~10 ohms.
@@99otari This makes sense. I bet this is also what electronic hi-hat opener/closer pedals use. Actually it's funny I mentioned that, because one of the sample kits on my electronic drum module has the hi-hat pedal playing a bass drum sound instead of performing the job of opening/closing the hi-hat... I don't think that sample kit even has a hi-hat sound at all! :) Anyways, it likely detects velocity in the same way. I also mentioned a Yamaha pedal, KU-100. It uses the more typical piezoelectric sensor for electronic kick drums, which I think is ultimately what I'd end up using for my crazy foot percussion idea. It just makes the most sense... piezo sensors are pretty much a standard component of any electronic percussion system.
Thank you for your helpful video's! You Rock brother. I want to use the #4 pad for my hihat pedal. I'm struggling to figure out how to change the same pedal you have to work the #4 pad instead of #9 for my hihat. The hihat on #9 is killing me.
@@sdoijhadaoskdjfasokd Being a lefty, I had to figure it out. I changed from default (pad 9) to pad 7. Pad 9 is now my floor tom. It's not an intuitive process. Definitely read the manual on this one.
I bought 2 of these for my Avatar PD 705 percussion pad. They both came with the cables but the one has single ring 1/4" jacks on both ends and the other has dual ring 1/4" jacks at both ends. So whats the deal with that ? Is one the right cable and the other the wrong cable or do both the pedal and drum pad input jacks accept both single and dual ring jacks ?
Hi Justin, awesome video, I'd never expected it to be velocity sensitive! I think they're probably using a resistor to detect what the internal switch is making contact with, so that the module 'sees' a certain fixed resistance when the pedal is in the top position, infinite resistance in between and close to zero ohms when in the bottom position. That way it would be able to measure the time between leaving the top and reaching the bottom, although that's just a hypothesis... Could you measure the resistance between the cable tip and sleeve for those three positions by any chance? I would love to add my own pedal to this pad.
It has a strip-type force-sensitive variable resistance element. The relaxed pressure resistance is ~100k ohms. Full foot pressure is ~10 ohms. The element is in parallel with a 1M ohm resistor.
I have a avatar pedal set to kick ang i use a sustain pedal as a hi hat why the open hi hat sound will make a sound even if i step on the sustain pedal? Do you have any idea?
@@demonicsweaters Hey, I have an another request. Can you review Kat Percussion KT-HC1 hi hat controller and compare it with PDL HH-191? There's no information about this topic. It will be huge help if you did that. TIA
Boa tarde, sou brasileiro, comprei um sample avatar recentemente e tenho que comprar os pedais, de hihat e bumbo, acredito que estou bem confiante em comprar um pedal avatar depois de seu vídeo, obrigado.
Hi! Is it the only one model who's working with this pad? Or any control pedal can do it? Cause i'm trying with a Carlsbro hh controler and it look like i can't 🤔
It would probably work, but it might not be quite sensitive enough. One thing I have noticed is the output on these are softer than most kick triggers. You might have to turn your sensitivity up all the way.
Thank you because I tried ordering petals over the holidays for my tabletop, but when they arrived I found they were double-ring quarter-inch jack cables. and my machine only talks to a quarter-inch single ring. So I had to send them all back and now I'm looking for a quarter-inch single-ring pedal. The one that you are showing in this video looks very similar to the one that ddrums has their NIO pedals. When used as a high hat were you able to get the open and close sizzle that a true acoustic set brings? Thank you for letting me know that that pedal not only works as a high hat and kick drum but also has a quarter-inch jack with a single ring on the plug.
Yes but it's more difficult bc you can't "feel" the sweet spot... you just hear it when you're there and try to keep doing it. Worth it for the price, these things are pretty light considering the metal parts
@@demonicsweaters What about a splitter? I used two nektar pedals with a splitter and it worked a little better than the pedals provided. Tried yamaha pedals. did not work at all.
Update. I bought a pair of these pedals last week. received them yesterday and connected them to the Pyle PTED06 with a Hosa YMP-233 Y Cable - 3.5mm TRS Male to Dual 1/4 inch TRS Female cable and it works and it works great.
@@jerbear9651 Do you get any velocity response when this pedal is connected to PTED06? I've got Pyle PTED01 and while the drum pads themselves are decent, the included foot switches are erratically double-triggering to the point of being unusable. PTED01 has two 1/4" jack inputs (separate hi-hat and kick drum), so maybe this pedal would work. I'm just worried that the signal (judging by the two pins visible on the "plunger" of this pedal, it may be producing two "low" pulses separated by a velocity-dependent time delay) it sends won't trigger PTED01 at all, but since it functioned for your PTED06, this gives me some hope that it might just work, even if it does not provide proper velocity response. I'd be happy with just a switch that doesn't double-trigger so often. Also, does this pedal has a polarity switch? Thanks for help!
Hey man, i just want to thank you for all your electronic drum videos. Very helpful and in-depth!
Glad you like them!
Yup! It's not a footswitch. After receiving my pedals, I took one apart. It has a strip-type force-sensitive variable resistance element. The relaxed pressure resistance is ~100k ohms. Full foot pressure is ~10 ohms. The element is in parallel with a 1M ohm resistor.
Thanks for the info! Interesting though that a sustain pedal will also work in those inputs but not a standard piezo trigger.
Hey!
Can PD705 send hi-hat continuous control messages via MIDI?
I want to get sounds of different pedal positions between closed and opened for VST.
Is there a pedal that could do it?
Sorry if this comment gets a little long, but anyways, here it goes. I highly advise you to read it all the way through to the end.
Firstly I should probably explain why I even found this video in the first place. Long story short, I have this crazy idea in mind where I would play piano while playing drum sounds with my feet, and I talked to a friend of mine about this idea. Said friend looked at bass drum trigger pedals and they found this one and recommended it to me. So I found this video about it. Not sure if it'll really be adequate enough for my specific foot drumming needs though; I'm looking into and thinking about several options I could use, even if that means some of this is gonna have to be homemade DIY-style. If you're interested in my specific requirements for foot-drumming while playing piano just let me know and I'll write a separate comment.
Secondly:
You mentioned that this pedal is velocity sensitive even though it's a footswitch and you have no idea how that would work. I have an idea of what might be going on here:
Perhaps it works in a similar way to how a keyboard detects the velocity of the keys for controlling dynamics. You see, on a keyboard, the way it usually works is that each key has usually 2 switches under it. As you move the key downward, the first switch closes, then as the key continues to descend, the second switch eventually closes. Now, as this is going on, the controller is essentially counting the amount of time in between when the first switch closes and when the second switch closes. It then uses this amount of time to determine the intensity of the note when you hear it.
It's possible that the pedal shown in this video is using a very similar technique, except obviously it's not using a piano key but a pedal under your foot. Would be cool if anyone else in the comments section who understands this stuff, like an engineer or something, could maybe verify this or add their input to this discussion. Highly doubt the manufacturer of the pedal is gonna explain this stuff... manufacturers don't do that... all they do is advertise products to get folks to buy them. Roland certainly isn't gonna explain how their KT10 kick trigger works, neither is Yamaha gonna explain how their KU100 (or whatever it's called) kick trigger pedal works. And, I really think having even a basic understanding of how these pedals actually work, mechanically/electronically, can be helpful in determining which pedals are compatible with which drum modules and such.
Indeed, it's not a footswitch. After receiving my pedals, I took one apart. It has a strip-type force-sensitive variable resistance element. The relaxed pressure resistance is ~100k ohms. Full foot pressure is ~10 ohms.
@@99otari This makes sense. I bet this is also what electronic hi-hat opener/closer pedals use.
Actually it's funny I mentioned that, because one of the sample kits on my electronic drum module has the hi-hat pedal playing a bass drum sound instead of performing the job of opening/closing the hi-hat... I don't think that sample kit even has a hi-hat sound at all! :)
Anyways, it likely detects velocity in the same way.
I also mentioned a Yamaha pedal, KU-100. It uses the more typical piezoelectric sensor for electronic kick drums, which I think is ultimately what I'd end up using for my crazy foot percussion idea. It just makes the most sense... piezo sensors are pretty much a standard component of any electronic percussion system.
Thank you for your helpful video's! You Rock brother. I want to use the #4 pad for my hihat pedal. I'm struggling to figure out how to change the same pedal you have to work the #4 pad instead of #9 for my hihat. The hihat on #9 is killing me.
Ever figure this out? I'd hate to have to play this thing upside down
@@sdoijhadaoskdjfasokd Being a lefty, I had to figure it out. I changed from default (pad 9) to pad 7. Pad 9 is now my floor tom. It's not an intuitive process. Definitely read the manual on this one.
I bought 2 of these for my Avatar PD 705 percussion pad. They both came with the cables but the one has single ring 1/4" jacks on both ends and the other has dual ring 1/4" jacks at both ends. So whats the deal with that ? Is one the right cable and the other the wrong cable or do both the pedal and drum pad input jacks accept both single and dual ring jacks ?
It actually shouldn’t matter. It should work with either.
Will it work with a KAT Multi Pad ?
Hi Justin, awesome video, I'd never expected it to be velocity sensitive! I think they're probably using a resistor to detect what the internal switch is making contact with, so that the module 'sees' a certain fixed resistance when the pedal is in the top position, infinite resistance in between and close to zero ohms when in the bottom position. That way it would be able to measure the time between leaving the top and reaching the bottom, although that's just a hypothesis...
Could you measure the resistance between the cable tip and sleeve for those three positions by any chance? I would love to add my own pedal to this pad.
It has a strip-type force-sensitive variable resistance element. The relaxed pressure resistance is ~100k ohms. Full foot pressure is ~10 ohms. The element is in parallel with a 1M ohm resistor.
I have a avatar pedal set to kick ang i use a sustain pedal as a hi hat why the open hi hat sound will make a sound even if i step on the sustain pedal? Do you have any idea?
Can this pedal make a *chick* sound when you close the hi hat? One amazon user said that it needs a TRS cable to do that. Can you confirm it please?
yes
@@demonicsweaters Hey, I have an another request. Can you review Kat Percussion KT-HC1 hi hat controller and compare it with PDL HH-191? There's no information about this topic. It will be huge help if you did that. TIA
I have bought a Yamaha HH65 and it's able to switch but not trigger the pedal part.
Is there a tune acoustic drum?
Boa tarde, sou brasileiro, comprei um sample avatar recentemente e tenho que comprar os pedais, de hihat e bumbo, acredito que estou bem confiante em comprar um pedal avatar depois de seu vídeo, obrigado.
Hi!
Is it the only one model who's working with this pad?
Or any control pedal can do it?
Cause i'm trying with a Carlsbro hh controler and it look like i can't 🤔
Any standard footswitch will work. The Carlsbro one is likely a variable controller, so won't work.
Is there any way to change the hi-hat pad to something other than Pad 9???
Yeah...being a lefty, I had to do it. It's not an intuitive process. Definitely read the manual on this one.
Do you know if this would work with the Alesis Nitro as a kick drum pedal replacement?
It would probably work, but it might not be quite sensitive enough. One thing I have noticed is the output on these are softer than most kick triggers. You might have to turn your sensitivity up all the way.
@@demonicsweaters Thank you, bro!
Good afternoon can I use the Yamaha KU 100 on this Machine?
You can, that's what I used to do. But you need to use a trigger input, not a foot switch input.
would this work for the Alesis sample pad 4? i tried and it doesn’t signal the kick, but it works as a sustain pedal for a keyboard
I don't think so, this is a switch type pedal, you would need a trigger type pedal.
Very intriguing...or intriggering😅 I would definitely like to try that. Would it work as a standard trigger with say a Yamaha dd65?
haha, no probably not. It's a footswitch, not a trigger.
What electronic kick pedal would you recommend?
For the PD705? This one!
Thank you for the information 😊❤👍🏻🙏🏻
You're welcome!
At the end of the cable is it a quarter-inch Jack with one ring or two?
one, it's TS
Thank you because I tried ordering petals over the holidays for my tabletop, but when they arrived I found they were double-ring quarter-inch jack cables. and my machine only talks to a quarter-inch single ring. So I had to send them all back and now I'm looking for a quarter-inch single-ring pedal. The one that you are showing in this video looks very similar to the one that ddrums has their NIO pedals. When used as a high hat were you able to get the open and close sizzle that a true acoustic set brings?
Thank you for letting me know that that pedal not only works as a high hat and kick drum but also has a quarter-inch jack with a single ring on the plug.
@Alternative Drummer I know you said it was a single ring on a quarter-inch Jack but what do you refer to when you say TS?
As a hihat pedal, is it only open and close, or do you have in between?
open and close
is this compatible for alesis nitro mesh as hihat controller?
No
The toe heel toe technique works with this pedal for doubles?
not sure, I don't play that way.
Yes but it's more difficult bc you can't "feel" the sweet spot... you just hear it when you're there and try to keep doing it.
Worth it for the price, these things are pretty light considering the metal parts
i have a DTX drums yamaha 400k, i can use this pedals?
I wouldn't count on it
Would it work for the Pyle PTE?
Not without modification. But possibly?
Avatar Pedal Jack Size?
Quarter inch
Compatible Lekato cpd1000?
I didn't get a chance to try this before I got rid of the cpd, but I suspect that it might.
Would it work with Roland v drums?
I doubt it
Have you tried it on your Pyle PTED06?
No I haven’t, but it won’t work, at least not without modification. The Pyle uses a single input for both pedals.
@@demonicsweaters What about a splitter? I used two nektar pedals with a splitter and it worked a little better than the pedals provided. Tried yamaha pedals. did not work at all.
Update. I bought a pair of these pedals last week. received them yesterday and connected them to the Pyle PTED06 with a Hosa YMP-233 Y Cable - 3.5mm TRS Male to Dual 1/4 inch TRS Female cable and it works and it works great.
@@jerbear9651 Do you get any velocity response when this pedal is connected to PTED06? I've got Pyle PTED01 and while the drum pads themselves are decent, the included foot switches are erratically double-triggering to the point of being unusable. PTED01 has two 1/4" jack inputs (separate hi-hat and kick drum), so maybe this pedal would work. I'm just worried that the signal (judging by the two pins visible on the "plunger" of this pedal, it may be producing two "low" pulses separated by a velocity-dependent time delay) it sends won't trigger PTED01 at all, but since it functioned for your PTED06, this gives me some hope that it might just work, even if it does not provide proper velocity response. I'd be happy with just a switch that doesn't double-trigger so often. Also, does this pedal has a polarity switch? Thanks for help!
Wondering the same
How much bro