I don't think the legal framework for designating cults actually exists in the United States. However, as someone who is in the process of disentangling from and leaving the NAR, I definitely agree that it properly qualifies as a cult.
it´s very simple, because it just can´t be a cult per definition, as it´s just a name invented by some individual (I think C. Peter Wagner) in order to try to describe or label a certain stream/meovement, however you wonna call it, of Christianity. There is no organisation, not common rules or structure or anything like that, you wouldn´t even be able to acutally say who is exactly part of it and who not, there is no membership or any such thing. So, even if you find dynamics in groups or churches as appearing to be cult like, you could only define a sepecific church or group as a cult, not the NAR as such, because it doesn´t exist as an entity.
Yesterday I discovered the angel Emma in relation to Todd Bentley and his talks with Bob Jones. Today I am ready to investigate further. This video is right in time!
A sad thing that I have to admit having tracked with the Elijah List/NAR folks since late 90's & early 2000's is that I would hear references & comments about Branham, A.A. Allen, Jack Coe, Amy Semple MacPherson, but I never paid much attention. To me it was like irrelevant information. I never put any stock in any of these mostly unknown or buried in the past, so called heroes that they were dredging up. I really gotta praise & thank God for grounding me in Himself in such a way that during a season when I would read various prophecies on Elijah list, say by Chuck Pierce for example, The Holy Spirit caused me to get an understanding that was not what the 'prophet' intended. Therefore the confusion bombs were disarmed (sort of) Then I had to leave the 'mine field' altogether! Thank God for getting me outta there. I was never fully deceived. I esteemed these to be true until shown otherwise. I just needed to see that we not only weren't on the same page or book, but in completely different libraries. God is able to do this! This is my real testimony!
As WMB prays to his angel--instead of God---he says that he loves everyone there, and yet, in other sermons he states that he has to fight the urge to shoot women. That is a very steange kind of love.
I was in the Vineyard Movement of the 80's and watched all of these NAR-types rise to power....... Bob Jones, Paul Cain, Rick Joyner, Peter Wagner, Todd Bentley, etc.,etc., (TB was and is the worst!) I stopped following them because John Wimber stopped supporting them when they started the Toronto movement. He was a very discerning man. He stuck to the Bible, and the Gospel was his main message, even though he was a continuationist.
WINE then WIND then FIRE: Bob Jones said 3 stages of the end time revival would happen. Toronto was WINE and was meant to offend even miracle-believing believers. I mean, would the Holy Ghost make anyone look drunk in the morning? WEIRD.
Bob Jones claimed the Angel Emma was the angel that worked in the WW2 healing revivals, specifically William Branham. Jones claimed that Emma visited him and was going to come to KC to bring revival. Bob Jones then introduced Todd Bentley to Emma.
What people are missing is that the new creation doesn't learn from angels. One better than angels is in us, why would he speak to his children by a family outsider? It is lack of revelation of our identity and the family we are in causing us to fall victims of demonic deception. Jesus and the apostles did not minister with angels except in two occasions and that was to instruct Philip to go to the desert, and to release Peter from prison. In all these occasions, they didn't preach or teach them anything. They did their job, to serve us.
Brownsville had nothing to do with the "Angel Emma" I challenge you to find any of the original leaders or footage of them saying something like that. Steve Hill. Mike Brown or John Kilpatrick. I was involved at that revival and it was never talked about. Only messages on holiness, repentance and faith in Christ. It was different.
@@Marlaina that’s silly. Show me the Bible verse that says you can tell what spirit somebody is of just by looking at them without listening to what they’re saying? Are you aware that Jonathan Edwards talks about unusual manifestations during the first great awakening? Thats now how you test if it’s God or not. Doctrine is.
I never heard Emma spoken about at the Toronto Blessing. Not that I know what happened in every meeting lol. I’m wondering how there is a connection there?
Indeed, the path is narrow and many who try will not enter the kingdom of Heaven😢 Beloved brethren let's Cling to the Word of God, walk with &talk to The Lord, Jesus Christ. He is the only teacher&instructor. Do not be robbed by man - made religions& all trickery.. Mathew 18:3 "“Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
1 Corinthians 1:7 [7]so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, Don't Lack in any Gift as you wait for The coming of the Lord
Do not be concerned for the gifts.. The fruits of the spirit is what we will be judged by John 15:4 " Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me" John 15:6 "If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned." Rev 14:15 Then another angel came out of the temple, crying out in a loud voice to the One seated on the cloud, “Swing Your sickle and reap, because the time has come to harvest; for the crop of the earth is ripe.” Beware of pastors who are always talking of gifts of the Spirit and endless promises.. Find a pastor who teaches the Word of God, revealing more and more of the Wonder of Christ and the knowledge of God. That your mind be renewed by the Word of God transforming you that you bear more and more fruit.. (Gal 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.)
Bentley didn't work out well so Chris Reed at Morning Star is the current successor. He apparently spoke with Cain weekly for two years before Cains death
🚩I looked at a few sites re Todd Bentley's tattoos, with interest in the 'angel' he (and the late Bob Jones) called "Emma". Some make for interesting reading. According to the Japanese -English, English - Japanese Dictionary of 1948 the angel Emma is "Emma Daioh" - the god of the underworld, of death, the devil. Some believe this is the 'Emma' which Bob Jones was, and Todd Bentley is so preoccupied with (hence Bentley's tattoos of it). But it does seem very strange, odd. Also, there are NO female angels. Please don't take my word for it - look it up for yourselves. Do your own research. It's high time too that we all do what the Bereans did - search the Scriptures to see what's truth - and what isn't. Too many people today, and too many modern-day charismatics are wrongly assuming to 'hear from the Lord', and seem to believe that every thought, sense, feeling etc is from Him. Time for us to all 'Fine Tune' our spiritual discernment, and keep asking for more, and for more wisdom and guidance. ⚠️ 🚨
Have you set up a Patreon account yet? I think maybe a Patreon account is warranted here. Your content is valuable and I think a lot of us would be willing to support the work of the channel. I understand that might be challenging because of accusations of trying to profit off "tearing down" ministries, though. As for this video -- very helpful. I didn't know about that hand trick. And it's very interesting to see footage of commissioning ceremonies from an outsider's perspective. For people still heavily involved in the movement, the use of the word "authoritarian" may present a barrier, because in the cultures you showed on screen (Bethel, Lakeland), there is a heavy grace message. The authority they have is psychological or maybe even transactional, they offer a community that feels like family and where everyone is united by a desire to serve God, participate in high quality worship/music, and pray for the sick. Some have impossible situations and need a miracle, and that keeps them there. It's not authoritarian until you start to ask the wrong questions about the five-fold, prophecies, etc. It really goes south if you raise concerns about occult parallels. Then you get a different side to leaders and community, the alienation begins. To be fair, I think this happens in many religious communities. Many churches are fighting right now about women in ministry, for instance, and if you openly fall on the opposite side to whoever you are in community with it can result in alienation. These groups are at least honest about it. The NAR is still caught up in denying its own existence and boundaries.
I did a long time ago, but am hesitant to push it. These cults have robbed the people blind, and most of my subscribers do not have money to spare... www.patreon.com/branham
@@LeavingtheMessage,I THINK YOU’RE THE REAL BLIND PERSON WHO ARE TRYING TO BLIND OTHERS, IF YOU KNOW THE TRUTH BETTER THAN OTHERS, WHY CAN’T YOU TEACH WHAT YOU KNOW, THAN JUST CRITICIZING AND LYING TO GOD’S PEOPLE ,WE’VE NEVER HEARD ABOUT ANGEL EMMA FROM THOSE LEADERS YOU MENTIONED THEIR NAMES, AND IF YOU SPEAK ABOUT EMMA ANGEL, IT’S BECAUSE YOU’RE HIS SERVANT, IT’S A SHAME!!!!
WHY CAN’T YOU PUT YOUR OWN PICTURE IN PROFILE OF YOUR SITE? YOU ATTACT WILLIAM BRANHAM AND YOU USE HIS PICTURE FOR YOUR PROFILE, YOU’RE LYING TO PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD, THIS IS DEMONIC!!!
My heart breaks when I hear this abominable representation of our Lord. When I got saved 43 years ago God told me he was big business. I didn’t understand it fully then but I. do now. God forgive us ! Shalom
Leaving the background music OUT of these videos will allow your teaching to be MORE effective. Its too loud and stylistically doesnt fit at all. Its just distracting.
@@cuillinguy when you read scripture, angels are always present it as male. There's no female angels in scripture. I don't know where it's at, but I think in Zachariah. It presents an unclean bird which many thought was a female angel, but it's not of gender. I know in heaven. They don't have the same relationships, but on earth, if you believe in Genesis, that the sounds of God are angels, then that's where we believe we get the giants. That's a good question. Just the thought for you, you have a blessed day
Maybe Bible illiteracy.. Stumbling on the simplicity of the gospel... Refusing to believe the Word of God.. The desire to see rather than to continue repenting and believing...In one Word hidden unbelief😢
I would really appreciate the toning down or removal of the background music please. For those of us from backgrounds where hypnotic, mood-setting background music was used to manipulate us, it's really disconcerting. Please consider this request.
So many things wrong with this but out of minimum these weird people should stop using the phrase THE Angel of the LORD. Do they not understand that that is the Malak YHWH? God The Son? Should we go ahead and ‘Matthew 18’ the creepy monster that is Todd Bentley or should we be scared to ‘Touch the Lord’s anointed?’
Friendly reminder that there’s no feminine angel or divine feminine in the Bible That’s what every pagan, occult, new age has The church/saints are the Bride of Christ though
I'm so glad you explained how these charlatans could make their hands change colors. Thanks for another episode of this series!!
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How NAR has not been officially labeled a cult group yet is beyond me.
I don't think the legal framework for designating cults actually exists in the United States. However, as someone who is in the process of disentangling from and leaving the NAR, I definitely agree that it properly qualifies as a cult.
@@isaacg.9857 You're probably right.
It has by me. :)
They serve Rome.
it´s very simple, because it just can´t be a cult per definition, as it´s just a name invented by some individual (I think C. Peter Wagner) in order to try to describe or label a certain stream/meovement, however you wonna call it, of Christianity. There is no organisation, not common rules or structure or anything like that, you wouldn´t even be able to acutally say who is exactly part of it and who not, there is no membership or any such thing. So, even if you find dynamics in groups or churches as appearing to be cult like, you could only define a sepecific church or group as a cult, not the NAR as such, because it doesn´t exist as an entity.
Yesterday I discovered the angel Emma in relation to Todd Bentley and his talks with Bob Jones. Today I am ready to investigate further. This video is right in time!
The guy who claims the holy Spirit tells him to kick people?
@@joshportie Yes, that's him.
According to google Emma-O is a Japanese Buddhist version of Yama, the Hindu god of death.
"THE BILLION DOLLAR CULT BOAT"
(@Leaving the message)
I am so glad for your channel. Thank you.
A sad thing that I have to admit having tracked with the Elijah List/NAR folks since late 90's & early 2000's is that I would hear references & comments about Branham, A.A. Allen, Jack Coe, Amy Semple MacPherson, but I never paid much attention. To me it was like irrelevant information. I never put any stock in any of these mostly unknown or buried in the past, so called heroes that they were dredging up. I really gotta praise & thank God for grounding me in Himself in such a way that during a season when I would read various prophecies on Elijah list, say by Chuck Pierce for example, The Holy Spirit caused me to get an understanding that was not what the 'prophet' intended. Therefore the confusion bombs were disarmed (sort of) Then I had to leave the 'mine field' altogether! Thank God for getting me outta there. I was never fully deceived. I esteemed these to be true until shown otherwise. I just needed to see that we not only weren't on the same page or book, but in completely different libraries. God is able to do this! This is my real testimony!
❤ excellent research
As WMB prays to his angel--instead of God---he says that he loves everyone there, and yet, in other sermons he states that he has to fight the urge to shoot women. That is a very steange kind of love.
"Why do people make things up, Yogi?" "I dunno, Boo-boo, but I'm glad they made up Jellystone Park and picnic baskets."
"Me, too, Yogi."
LOL this made my day :)
I was in the Vineyard Movement of the 80's and watched all of these NAR-types rise to power.......
Bob Jones, Paul Cain, Rick Joyner, Peter Wagner, Todd Bentley, etc.,etc.,
(TB was and is the worst!)
I stopped following them because John Wimber stopped supporting them when they started the Toronto movement.
He was a very discerning man.
He stuck to the Bible, and the Gospel was his main message, even though he was a continuationist.
WINE then WIND then FIRE: Bob Jones said 3 stages of the end time revival would happen. Toronto was WINE and was meant to offend even miracle-believing believers. I mean, would the Holy Ghost make anyone look drunk in the morning? WEIRD.
I have a question for the NAR pastors: When are you going to teach from the Bible and stop sharing your personal stories? Tell me when.
NEVER!!!!!!!
These are wolves and not true pastors. Jesus doesn't know them.
You don’t like ear tickles? 😂
@@Stickythekid I'm not sure why you asked this question, and then put a laughing hard emoji.
@@cherylbaker3353They are despisers of the word of God.
Bob Jones claimed the Angel Emma was the angel that worked in the WW2 healing revivals, specifically William Branham. Jones claimed that Emma visited him and was going to come to KC to bring revival. Bob Jones then introduced Todd Bentley to Emma.
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What people are missing is that the new creation doesn't learn from angels. One better than angels is in us, why would he speak to his children by a family outsider? It is lack of revelation of our identity and the family we are in causing us to fall victims of demonic deception. Jesus and the apostles did not minister with angels except in two occasions and that was to instruct Philip to go to the desert, and to release Peter from prison. In all these occasions, they didn't preach or teach them anything. They did their job, to serve us.
I absolutely believe Bentley heard a voice. I don't think it was God's though.
😂😂😂😂
Keep up the good work! 🙏
@10:19 The vibrational healing that comes through the hands that they are speaking about needs further attention and focus.
Background music is too loud. Its hard to hear the talking.
I have slight dyslexia or something. I read it as angel enema.
😂
Emma-ō? Thats an interesting name for an angel...demon
The background music is too loud and it’s hard to hear some of the words being said
Brownsville had nothing to do with the "Angel Emma" I challenge you to find any of the original leaders or footage of them saying something like that. Steve Hill. Mike Brown or John Kilpatrick. I was involved at that revival and it was never talked about. Only messages on holiness, repentance and faith in Christ. It was different.
Yes I believe you’re right about this.
Even if Brownsville didn't mention Emma, it still introduced the kundalini spirit. Video footage proves this.
@@Marlaina that’s silly. Show me the Bible verse that says you can tell what spirit somebody is of just by looking at them without listening to what they’re saying? Are you aware that Jonathan Edwards talks about unusual manifestations during the first great awakening? Thats now how you test if it’s God or not. Doctrine is.
I'd agree with that. I don't remember any references to an angel back then.
@Marlaina that's because charismatic Christians haven't got a clue what the supernatural actually is. But that's a whole different question.
Just wow!
I never heard Emma spoken about at the Toronto Blessing. Not that I know what happened in every meeting lol. I’m wondering how there is a connection there?
Indeed, the path is narrow and many who try will not enter the kingdom of Heaven😢
Beloved brethren let's Cling to the Word of God, walk with &talk to The Lord, Jesus Christ.
He is the only teacher&instructor.
Do not be robbed by man - made religions& all trickery..
Mathew 18:3
"“Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
It is so sad that Satan deceived them
Thank you !
Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! Oh oh, watch out 😮, here comes Todd "Bam Bam" Bentley and his disguised demonic visions.
It's occult new age CULT ISM period
Mr collins, are you personally believe in the continuation of the Spirit’s gifts? Or do you think the ceases in the past?
1 Corinthians 1:7
[7]so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Don't Lack in any Gift as you wait for The coming of the Lord
Do not be concerned for the gifts.. The fruits of the spirit is what we will be judged by
John 15:4
"
Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me"
John 15:6
"If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."
Rev 14:15
Then another angel came out of the temple, crying out in a loud voice to the One seated on the cloud, “Swing Your sickle and reap, because the time has come to harvest; for the crop of the earth is ripe.”
Beware of pastors who are always talking of gifts of the Spirit and endless promises..
Find a pastor who teaches the Word of God, revealing more and more of the Wonder of Christ and the knowledge of God.
That your mind be renewed by the Word of God transforming you that you bear more and more fruit..
(Gal 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.)
Bentley didn't work out well so Chris Reed at Morning Star is the current successor. He apparently spoke with Cain weekly for two years before Cains death
Oh Brother!
🚩I looked at a few sites re Todd Bentley's tattoos, with interest in the 'angel' he (and the late Bob Jones) called "Emma". Some make for interesting reading. According to the Japanese -English, English - Japanese Dictionary of 1948 the angel Emma is "Emma Daioh" - the god of the underworld, of death, the devil. Some believe this is the 'Emma' which Bob Jones was, and Todd Bentley is so preoccupied with (hence Bentley's tattoos of it). But it does seem very strange, odd. Also, there are NO female angels.
Please don't take my word for it - look it up for yourselves. Do your own research. It's high time too that we all do what the Bereans did - search the Scriptures to see what's truth - and what isn't. Too many people today, and too many modern-day charismatics are wrongly assuming to 'hear from the Lord', and seem to believe that every thought, sense, feeling etc is from Him. Time for us to all 'Fine Tune' our spiritual discernment, and keep asking for more, and for more wisdom and guidance. ⚠️ 🚨
Watch John Collins and get his books, also Charles Paisley collectively together breakbwalls
William Branham and all these men are mad.
Like crazy crazy…
I can’t believe I once believed this nonsense!
While I have issues with everyone in this video, there’s simply not near enough grounds for the implications and connections made.
Have you set up a Patreon account yet? I think maybe a Patreon account is warranted here. Your content is valuable and I think a lot of us would be willing to support the work of the channel. I understand that might be challenging because of accusations of trying to profit off "tearing down" ministries, though.
As for this video -- very helpful. I didn't know about that hand trick. And it's very interesting to see footage of commissioning ceremonies from an outsider's perspective. For people still heavily involved in the movement, the use of the word "authoritarian" may present a barrier, because in the cultures you showed on screen (Bethel, Lakeland), there is a heavy grace message. The authority they have is psychological or maybe even transactional, they offer a community that feels like family and where everyone is united by a desire to serve God, participate in high quality worship/music, and pray for the sick. Some have impossible situations and need a miracle, and that keeps them there. It's not authoritarian until you start to ask the wrong questions about the five-fold, prophecies, etc. It really goes south if you raise concerns about occult parallels. Then you get a different side to leaders and community, the alienation begins.
To be fair, I think this happens in many religious communities. Many churches are fighting right now about women in ministry, for instance, and if you openly fall on the opposite side to whoever you are in community with it can result in alienation. These groups are at least honest about it. The NAR is still caught up in denying its own existence and boundaries.
I did a long time ago, but am hesitant to push it. These cults have robbed the people blind, and most of my subscribers do not have money to spare...
www.patreon.com/branham
@@LeavingtheMessage,I THINK YOU’RE THE REAL BLIND PERSON WHO ARE TRYING TO BLIND OTHERS, IF YOU KNOW THE TRUTH BETTER THAN OTHERS, WHY CAN’T YOU TEACH WHAT YOU KNOW, THAN JUST CRITICIZING AND LYING TO GOD’S PEOPLE ,WE’VE NEVER HEARD ABOUT ANGEL EMMA FROM THOSE LEADERS YOU MENTIONED THEIR NAMES, AND IF YOU SPEAK ABOUT EMMA ANGEL, IT’S BECAUSE YOU’RE HIS SERVANT, IT’S A SHAME!!!!
WHY CAN’T YOU PUT YOUR OWN PICTURE IN PROFILE OF YOUR SITE? YOU ATTACT WILLIAM BRANHAM AND YOU USE HIS PICTURE FOR YOUR PROFILE, YOU’RE LYING TO PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD, THIS IS DEMONIC!!!
My heart breaks when I hear this abominable representation of our Lord. When I got saved 43 years ago God told me he was big business. I didn’t understand it fully then but I. do now. God forgive us ! Shalom
Our Lady of Guadalupe alias Angel Emma,
its main characteristic is the sparkling gold dust around it.
Catholic Church produces healing beings too
Leaving the background music OUT of these videos will allow your teaching to be MORE effective.
Its too loud and stylistically doesnt fit at all. Its just distracting.
If you are a dispensationalist well nothing will satisfy you… But the book of Corinthians is in there with the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Wow not even God could heal them 😮 Branham was a sick man.
Angels in Scriptures are always male there no girl angels
I thought they had no gender.
@@cuillinguy when you read scripture, angels are always present it as male. There's no female angels in scripture. I don't know where it's at, but I think in Zachariah. It presents an unclean bird which many thought was a female angel, but it's not of gender. I know in heaven. They don't have the same relationships, but on earth, if you believe in Genesis, that the sounds of God are angels, then that's where we believe we get the giants. That's a good question. Just the thought for you, you have a blessed day
Astonishing. Why do the people believe this man?
Maybe Bible illiteracy.. Stumbling on the simplicity of the gospel... Refusing to believe the Word of God.. The desire to see rather than to continue repenting and believing...In one Word hidden unbelief😢
I must say, it does not become clear to me at all from this video, what the "origin of the angel emma" is.
If the origin isn't clear then it shouldn't be assumed
Killing a Zebra!??!?!?! What?!?!
Not just one. We have video of several he killed
@@LeavingtheMessage Horrible!!!
Killing large game was a symbol of wealth and prestige, sadly. Makes me sick.
I've heard this angel has a last name...Tate. Get it?? Emma Tate... Imitate!
LOL!!!!
"pants on fire"!
and they killed Jesus for claiming to be the son of God !
What does this have to do with claims of contacting a female angel? Angels in Scripture are only male btw.
I would really appreciate the toning down or removal of the background music please.
For those of us from backgrounds where hypnotic, mood-setting background music was used to manipulate us, it's really disconcerting.
Please consider this request.
👍 😂😂😂 ❤ 😂😂😂 👍
6: It's ALWAYS either the "11th" or the "13th" with a "12th" shoved somewhere in the middle :9
So many things wrong with this but out of minimum these weird people should stop using the phrase THE Angel of the LORD. Do they not understand that that is the Malak YHWH? God The Son? Should we go ahead and ‘Matthew 18’ the creepy monster that is Todd Bentley or should we be scared to ‘Touch the Lord’s anointed?’
Todd means fox!
Angels or messengers are always depicted asale in the Bible. Whose Emma?!!!!
As MALE sorry
not a fan of this narrator. sorry.
I m not a fan also, to me it all cooked up stuff to bewitch the foolish ones in time like this
Friendly reminder that there’s no feminine angel or divine feminine in the Bible
That’s what every pagan, occult, new age has
The church/saints are the Bride of Christ though
wait a minute!!! So these here angels was non-binary angels!!! What was they pronouns?
Angels are Mans, not woman
Liars. All…