Junior doctors' pay dispute could be resolved 'within a week' | BMA Chair Philip Banfield
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- "This Labour government is straight away taking everyone at their word. And if they negotiate in good faith, there need be no more strikes."
Junior doctors' pay dispute could be resolved within a week if the government is prepared to "move quickly", says Philip Banfield, chair of the BMA UK Council.
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Surprise surprise, doctors dispute comes to an end when the party funded by unions becomes the government!
are whats wrong Tory voter you lost
Surprise surprise, strike comes to an end when the other side is willing to actually negotiate.
Surprise surprise ,we now have a government working for the country instead of tufton street .
Only traitors would not want a dispute with those professionals who enhance and health of British people resolved
Cry some more Tory boy
The dept that audit the NHS need looking at first!! Where does the huge budget really go? Where do all our medical graduates go?
A lot of medical graduates leave to work abroad because the pay is so much better
australia
Also by the way what you just said was a very good point but I want to know where that 100 billion went during the pandemic😊
@@satlynutzDance instructors for the tiktoks.
@@satlynutz Still supporting Ukraine dude? 😆
The UK needs to reform the NHS based on the best European models. It is disfunctional and these pay disputes are a symptom of that
The Labour Party will definitely be borrowing money soon then.
Well yes, every government does. The Tories quadrupled our debt during their 14 years. Borrowing to invest to see a long term return on investment makes sense.
Obviously but if you get people well and back at work that helps the economy
Well the Tories doubled the debt 3 separate times, so let's see. But nice to see the money going to us and not rishi wife
You'll gripe if you cannot see a doctor, you are griping when a settlement mey be made that will help that situation. What do you want to dry up those bitter Tory tears?
Bla bla bla. The debt was in the billions when the tories came into power. Now it in the trillions. How much did the tories borrow and steal.
Labour will pay them whatever it takes to settle the dispute. It'll be a political gain even with the financial cost
they dont worry about the cost, its you who will have to pick up the bill ,, your welcome
@@PhyzzFizz
Do you want treatment when you or a family member get cancer?
@@nigelhart3897 you can take my boosters, i dont need them, enjoy the heart ache
Don’t worry about the cost, the magic money tree called the tax payer will stump up.
@phyzzfizz 1 in 2 people are expected to be diagnosed with cancer. I expect if it ever happens to you, or someone in your family in the future you'll be grateful for the care you'll receive from the Drs and Nurses in the NHS.
I am not a junior doctor, but many of my mates are. For these people to give the slightest peep of objection is impressively rare; they have amazing decorum at the expense of their own well-being. One of my closest friends had a silent breakdown - he didn’t complain until he was about to collapse. I know we can’t always have specialists in cabinet posts - but the health secretary should have had shop-floor experience. I’d argue the same in education.
Wes Streeting is a cancer survivor, he was treated by the NHS who saved his life, is that not a valuable level of experience? After all the NHS is a Service, it's in the name, and therefore the experience of its patients is paramount, it could be the best place to work and that would mean nothing if patients were continually failed. I say this as an NHS employee.😊
@@gpw203 the specialists in incompetence were ejected last Thursday
I worked with a lot of lazy doctors
@@samturner8028Did you just say that ‘being sick’ is a professional level of competence in running a health service?? 🤣🤣🤣
@@dolly22215 no, Wes has many qualities that make him suitable for the role of Health Secretary but I said that patient experience is a valuable thing for someone running the health service, the service has to be run with patients as the focus otherwise it no longer is a service.
It looks more and more like the junior Doctors have been used for political purposes. There are many qualified doctors who can't find jobs as GP's or even as Locums. That tells you there are more doctors than jobs. The churn rate overall is 7.6% The average turnover - or churn - for UK workers is 36%.
So those of us who won't soon be on a six figure salary and gilt edged pension, must bend over and become poorer, so those greedy, entitled lefties, who soon will be on a six figure salary and gilt edged pension can be much richer than us even before they qualify. Socialist in a tee.
Well the strikes were all polictical were they not
It looks that way. Striking during an election should be illegal. Who were they striking against when there's no government?
@@clivet3252 Striking should never be illegal. Bankers and Company CEO's taking huge bonuses while their company makes a loss, should be.
How could strikes ever not be policitical? If you mean "party political" then of course they weren't
@@Ternalin but striking at the wrong time for the wrong reasons doesn't help the cause.
@@TOB41992 they were clearly trying to undermine the government in the run up to and during an election. If they suddenly accept a deal no better than the Tories were offering then it will prove it.
I'm all for paying doctors and staff more money but the admin side needs to be looked at. The amount of waste is ridiculous. Councils are the same. Waste so much money
Are you an accountant?
@@nigelhart3897 no but I work for a local authority and see contractors being paid WAY over the standard pay for less then satisfactory standards. I have literally seen a contractor walk off site because someone called him "dude" Im not joking. Consultants to the council get get paid £800 a DAY. That's not value for money
He says that 35% "is an invention" and then says that they lost 26% of their pay and want it restored. To restore something that is now 26% lower to the previous level requires an increase of 35%... e.g. £100 reduced by 26% is £74. To get £74 up to £100 again takes a 35% raise.
They're junior doctors, not mathemagicians.
i missed that. Good point.
The point is the 35% is being presented as a non crossable line that needs to be immediate rather than it being a figure that they want to get to at some defined point in the future.
Which is how it should be framed (with context) asopposed to throwing 35% round as this immediate and unreasonable pay demand.
@@andrewcross5918 I know what they are asking for, that they are open for negotiation, and I believe that they should get it. That doesn't mean what he said was correct.
Labour says yes and then they start printing money , and the sadly now political BMA is following in the footsteps of the now political BBC .........both the BBC and the BMA have lost their way and deserve condemnation...
When they print £450 million per day like the Tory’s have last 14 years every day every month year tripling the national debt and more then we can worry about
Early last year, one of the BMA Juniors’ leaders was quoted as described ‘Keir Starmer’s Labour Party’ as ‘proto-fascist red Tories’.
I resigned from the BMA after 48 years membership on account of a campaign that I regarded as immoral. Irrespective of any justification for the current dispute, the BMA has led the profession to collective professional reputational suicide.
If the public lose trust in the profession, they lose confidence in it, making the job becomes a lot harder.
I have yet to meet any member of the public who has sympathy with a 35% pay claim.
'First do no harm' has gone out of the window.
Is public perception more important than the country haemorrhaging homegrown doctors due to wages not keeping up with inflation?
Lol, did you vote Tory at anytime in the last 15 years, is there blood on your hands? Engerlund is lost, they have betrayed the rest of the UK for far too long, and this sort of nonsense is right wing propoganda. They will never learn
With respect, if you've been a member of the BMA for 48 years, perhaps you and your contemporaries could have been a bit more proactive in safeguarding the future of the profession.
@taintedsoul888 1. Massive money printing
2. Terrible management within the NHS
3. The growing demands on the workforce that result from 1,000,000+ a year.
There. That's why we can't pay them enough.
Huge pay rises paid by the taxpayer
@@markgibbins4143 junior doctors are tax payers and also the 35% would be spread out over a number of years.
It’ll pay for itself within a week when people can have their surgery and be back at work paying tax
BMA wanted to get rid of Tory, and now they will accept any offer.
So where is the money coming from? Plus, the junior docters strike has been nothing but political, and union lead.
@@alanpettifer9188 a strike lead by a union? You don't say...
@@alanpettifer9188 Could be a deal over 5 years, its a pay restoration agreement not 35% today, understand the issue before commenting
Of course it's union led. That's the only legal way to strike
It was obvious from the start this was politically motivated, the Unions where happy to pull the doctors out on strike to damage the Conservatives with little care for those who had been waiting for appointments only to have them cancelled, that's why when passing the doctors strikes the public showed very little support compared to when the nurses where striking the 30% ask was just viewed as greedy by the public
So those of us who won't soon be on a six figure salary and gilt edged pension, must bend over and become poorer, so those greedy, entitled lefties, who soon will be on a six figure salary and gilt edged pension can be much richer than us even before they qualify. Socialist in a tee.
The UK is about to be reminded what it is like to have a government of competent professionals and not a cabal of narcissistic kleptocrats and sociopaths.
One can dream.
@@marcusaurelius49 the nhs is about to get a dose of privatisation
Will Starmer pay these greedy people, and where will the money come from? If they get a huge pay rise, I want one.
The NHS can't be fixed with money. NHS staff are the modern day equivalent of Miners (I was one) most being lazy greedy and overpaid. Lack of adequate control has brought about a general lack of discipline and morale.
Starmer will never fix it with his idea of paying for more staff (it already has too many)
The existing people need to be made to do their jobs better.
What it proves is that they were striking for political reasons and they have blood on their hands .
@@Stiffytheenlightened"lazy greedy overpaid" You think that this is a rational description of NHS workers? Have you stood near the back of a horse recently? 😂
This goes to reinforce what I thought about many of these 'pay strikes' - that there was a large political element demonstrated by them settling for less once the government has changed..
They might have settled for less with the tories if the government hadn't refused to negotiate
They’ve said they just wanted seriousness in the negotiations, which we know the Tories are very good at!
Resolved ? ... At what price ?
If Labour agree to the 26%, just wait for the remaining public sector staff all coming back with new pay demands 😩😩
The railway unions have become unusually quiet since labour got in
Obviously the interview has no knowledge of industrial disputes, or the people who writes her script.
If we go BACK to when Tony Blair awarded Medics with Pay Rises of over 80% + for most Grades of Hospital Doctors and nearly 100% for GPs. GPs also had their Contracted Evening Work removed (= further Pay Rise) and Contracted Weekend Work removed (= further Pay Rise) AND the BMA Chose the Pay Grading for Hospital Doctors then the ARGUMENT is that the BMA, NOT the Government is WRONG. Junior Doctors either ACCEPT the same pay rise as colleagues OR they demand that Senior Doctors take a PAY CUT to compensate Junior Hospital Doctors. It is the BMA Pay Grade system, AN INTERNAL BMA PROBLEM, Not the Government that is wrong. VERY CONVENIENT to Chose a High Point in Pay to compare 2013/2014 to = Not Honest?
Yes it will be resolved when Labour roll over to their union paymasters as they always do leaving the taxpayer to pick up the tab. Seen it all before.
Tax the super rich then
Tax the super rich then
Yea because tories aren’t the party that was ruling when we had the highest personal tax burden in the last what 70 years or something? Whilst also having the lowest corporation tax in 50 years. Imagine that they get an average person paying the most whilst companies are paying the least but somehow Labour is the problem.
@@premojha979 corporation tax is 25% mate, up from 19%. High CT hits all companies not just the huge corporations, even small companies pay this and it kills incentive and growth.
When????
I’m confident the dispute will be resolved very quickly now the BMA have achieved their primary goal - to help bring down a Tory government they didn’t agree with politically. They will accept a notional pay rise - much less than they were asking for - and will be happy to call it day.
I think the Tory government had a hand in bringing down themselves and if they hadn't they would have brought down the NHS.
As if the Tories didn't do a hundred other things to make people hate them. Get real
@@alexanderstefanov6474 Straw man. Nice!
@dan79600 gosh the power of the junior doctors who knew?
😂😂😂
i wonder if a survey has been done to measure how many deaths were caused by the Junior doctors striking..... id love to know so then we could start prosecution proceedings. Imagine a world where the NHS was held accountable
No difference in deaths during strikes, the data is available.
However
Winter 2022 there were 350 excess deaths a week due to patients not able to access care due to staff shortages, this was on non-strike days, after accounting for covid.
Strikes were announced shortly after.
Perhaps we could compare that data with the deaths caused by the shortage of doctors therefore putting workloads at an unfeasible level and mistakes get made ?
@@suesadler3611shortage of doctors or unsustainable population rise
@@markgt894 both I would think are instrumental and the fact that service staff are never considered as important as those making a profit for shareholders
@@suesadler3611 if a quick resolution is found to the dispute it seems this was all politically motivated, and lives were put in danger because of this. 35% raise, seriously
Very conveinient to say the least, instigated by this bent party by any chance?
Orrr, labours just doing a better job than the tories
How dare they strike when nhs waiting lists are so long. On Friday, my wife was told she'd have to wait 9 months to have a baby. Outrageous.
You got me
And who caused it the torys
Yeah they should just accept pitiful pay while the managers earn loads
@@johnwall8862 the money to pay for the junior doctors ?
😂😂😂 Your wife will definitely be ready after 9 months to have your lovely new baby!
The blueprint is already there for a deal in Wales from the Welsh Labour Government.
but only available to a Labour government
So those of us who won't soon be on a six figure salary and gilt edged pension, must bend over and become poorer, so those greedy, entitled lefties, who soon will be on a six figure salary and gilt edged pension can be much richer than us even before they qualify. Socialist in a tee.
yeah we know print money...
The only way to see a doctor nowadays is go on the picket line.
Nowadays meaning progressively over the last 14 years? Well let's see if we can do something about that.
@@thomasandrewclifford👍🏻
Very droll.
@@chrisjourneymanvery true.
I've seen them in the pub. Regularly.
Not negotiating in good faith = not getting everything we asked for or very close to it.
The junior doctors are quick to publicise what they are paid now, but not so quick to tell us how much they earn when they are qualify?
Well that's not what they're being paid now, is it?
This just proves what a political strike this was!
Of course, because doctors are typically in a profession nailed on to vote labour right
If you negotiate with the government, any strike is political if the government wants it to be. Tories wanted to blame junior doctors for the failures of the nhs to cover for the real reason: 14 years of Tory government
Doctors get effective lifetime stability in their profession unlike others. Why is that not factored in?
I agree junior doctor be paid more but doctors as a whole should be paid less to accommodate this and evenly distribute the pay.
It's run no different to workers vs executives in a company. Utterly ridiculous.
@@foureveralone You can't treat highly qualified people like call centre staff. They just leave and work somewhere else for more money. I don't like it either but it's the reality of things.
@@peterholden3672 Do you know why they only have a limited number of doctors to Uni?
Can labour get involved there to increase the supply there?
Thanks.
These strikes were all political.
When public servants go on strike of course it's political because they are paid by the government. They are striking against their employer who is the government!
Yea until Labour realises that it’s either paying Junior Doctors a higher wage or spend the money instead on reducing waiting times at hospitals
So Labour will cave and pay anything. Truly pathetic.
Just hand over money. No increases in medical outcomes. In practice, that money comes out of spending on treatments. In other words a cut to the NHS.
What does 'negotiate in good faith mean' Does it mean that we have to agree with you, for it to be in 'good faith'? And if we dont agree with you, does that make it bad faith?
If you’ve lost 25%, you’ll need 33.3% to get back to where you were (try it with £1000) Ask if you want it explained🤗
Will Starmer pay these greedy people, and where will the money come from? If they get a huge pay rise, I want one.
The NHS can't be fixed with money. NHS staff are the modern day equivalent of Miners (I was one) most being lazy greedy and overpaid. Lack of adequate control has brought about a general lack of discipline and morale.
Starmer will never fix it with his idea of paying for more staff (it already has too many)
The existing people need to be made to do their jobs better.
I think the government and BMA have agreed to stop mentioning the figure of 35% for tactical reasons.
You are mistaken. Your post indicates they made a loss and they didn't. They didn't go from £100 down to £75. They need inflation uplifts that matches the inflation the country had. 100 plus 5% 105 plus 10% 116.5 plus 10% etc.. that is the correct way. At the end you get 126 quid you can say that is 26% increase and NOT 33%. Your answer is however correct to get back to 100 from a LOSS of 25%. Your maths skills tell me you are a devoted labour supporter ❤ ask if you have questions 😂
@user-wj7cv9hb5j You are deffo human as no bot would confidently chat utter tripe, you could have looked up inflation figures on the bank of england website. £100 in 2008 is now worth £158.
Doctors pay has reduced by 26% in the same time
These are two separate figures.
Must be great working in the public sector, pay rises expected in line with inflation! They desimate the private sector by crippling it with tax, so those working in it get no pay rise so we get poorer and poorer as things have to go up to pay the higher corporate taxes, whilst at the same time our personal tax gets higher and higher with no or very few pay rises! I wish I had picked a better career, I didn't fancy working in the public sector because I have aspirations and the BS, red tape and bureaucracy would have driven me mental!!
I don’t know who the lady doing the interview is, but she is obviously very weak in Maths. When Prof Banfield said that there has been an erosion of 26% in pay and that is the reason for asking 35% rise, she comes back and says - so the Junior Doctors require a minimum of 26% rise. If from a sum of £100, 50% is taken away the reminder is £50. By giving back 50% of £50 will you reach £100. It has to be 100% uplift to reach £100. But then the politicians can spin, the common man can be confused but the idiotic sub standard media is dumb.
Giving junior doctors everything they want will certainly end the strike. This is classic Labour who will overpay public sector workers and then raise taxes on private sector workers to pay for it.
i'd quite like for the nhs to work properly tbh
Little #hit no one mentioned 26% they demanded according to tories and 35% not one of them disputed it saying it was a lie that they only wantet 26% Times radio should have pulled him up on it.
In any hostage taking situation where demands for money are met it's often quickly resolved.
Just like the train drivers these strikes were political ..now they have their friends in post ....soon be all downhill 😮😮😮
Any dispute can be solved if one side capitulates.
How will it be resolved. Give in to their demands?
No doubt labour will get this done. By conceding to every demand
You truly are a complete hunt!!
No they won’t,they won’t get 35% but could be spread over 2 or 3 years , and work method. .
Any trade dispute is easily resolved if one side surrenders (= the Labour Government).
Which proves they were on strike for political reasons .
If by political reasons you mean more money then yes
If the jr get the 35k the gp will be next followed by the consultants, all of which are paid very well given the amount they actually do. How will this be paid for...taxes. Oh and there is bothing in place or even a plan to stop the privatisation of the NHS. Let's see how everyone feels in a couple years.
They must not give in to these greedy people
Week One, start spending. Week Two start borrowing more, putting the country in more debt. Week Three make those who actually work for a living pay more in tax.
It's the tried and tested Labour method.
They won't put taxes up. They should for the rich.
as opposed to the last 14 years watching each and every public service from prisons to health atrophy and collapse
The Tories increased the national debt. Just look at the ONS website
They will put taxes up, "the rich" you labour supporters are so envious of just move out of the country, the tax intake goes down (always does), then it's the regular tax payers who have to fill the gap.
This is labours policies through and through and happens every time they are in power, hence they always get kicked out basically once they have kicked the general tax payer so hard, they have to make a change. Then the circle of politics goes around again, Tories will have to cut costs to bring tax down, angers people because services drop, then labour get back in and run it up. Round and round we go in their awful merry go round, when the real issue is the utter waste by the public sector due to being so inefficient , but any attempt at reforming it is political suicide so no party will run on fixing it.
One strike about to be resolved but if the past is anything to go by, plenty more will be waiting in the wings itching to get started.
"35% is an invention put out by the press." If that is the case, then why did you not intervene to put the record straight? The public can only form an opinion based on the information it is given. If it is given (through press and media) and not contradicted then that's what we believe. Shame on you for politicizing this issue - or, at best, allowing it to be politicized without intervention.
Bravo.
It is 35% anyway, as to restore a 26% decline you need a 35% increase.
Think his point is it isn’t a raise but rather a restoration, and which is just arguing semantics
Nothing wrong with that at all, but a little disingenuous from him
So the junior doctors were meant to summon and manifest the power of the establishment media, because it’s their job to hold the government to account?
Rishi lad just get on that flight to Cali, please.
Politicising it? It's already extremely political It's a public sector pay dispute in what world is that not political?
@@TOB41992 He means party political. Already the BMA narrative is the wicked Tories didn't negotiate in good faith while the benign Labour administration will do the opposite.
The cabinet have no experience whatsoever they are clueless 😅😅
The taxpayers await how much it will cost them
We can all chip in for a health service for all, or you can fork out a quarter of a million for your own cancer treatment. You've obviously got a lot of money and resent the thought of others getting treatment you have helped pay for, albeit along with those of us happy to contribute.
It’ll pay for itself within a week when people can have their surgery and be back at work paying tax
It will be interesting to see what the final pay offer is, but it looks like further strikes will be averted, which has got to be good news.
Philip talkes as though the junior doctors are the only ones who's pay has been eroded.
Times radio should learn when the unions manifested a change of government They now park the strikes. See the railways, teachers. Also means labour were complicit.
Yup labour government in power no strikes, any other strike until you can overturn the will of people because they need the services we pay for to not be on strike!!!
All our public servants should be paid a fair wage if we can afford it. As the National Debt approaches £3 trillion I don't know how they will do it unless we go further into debt. Technically, we are broke as we owe more than we earn. Labour sold off our gold reserves last time they got in, there's nothing left.
Don’t you worry as they will tax the middle class even more!
@@evalon9129There is no middle class any more. Just Working Class with mortgages, cars and crippling Debt.
@@evalon9129wrong they will tax everyone 😂
Here is the problem, no one else has had this kind of pay rise, but once given every public services union will want the same , and the tax payer picks up the tab.
This is always the problem with Labour ,they throw money at every thing.
If they do get a substantial pay rise then how about a little loyalty to the country that in many cases paid for there training instead of disappearing to foreign climbs.
10/15 years service in the UK before you leave these shores.
Just watch, ye of little faith
@@AlphaMonkey357 Oh I have faith this will be resolved, If all else fails Labour will fix the NHS (they have to and we all know it)and paying the Doctors will help.
But my comment still stands and for sure we will not be told ALL the details.
And as in any public sector pay rise we the public pay it.
Yep it could and to pay for it they should sack all of the woke diversity and inclusion officers and not take money from the people who are already paying for a enormously bad system
Yeah you lose all credibility when shouting woke at everything.
What about the rest of the NHS workers, I got a 5% pay rise which I refused the unions settled for that, have I had a pay rise this year no and won't see one for years to come.
Hello do u mind mentioning what work u do in NHS or elsewhere
Labour will sort it, by giving in, like they did the miners.
They dont give in, they were formed by trade unions. Inequality of the workforce was the driving force of its creation. So there you have it.
I would say it's not a win its just a roll over and do what they told which means one thing throw money at everything and hope for the best
Streeting is funded by private healthcare donors and has shown no support for any nhs strike. He also wants more privatisation of the NHS. Streeting should be no where near the NHS
This!
So what about Nurses and ambulance staff?? 5% to nurse is pocket change!
i am sure he will privatize the dispute and make strikes a business expense
Hardly a win for the government, I'd call it a loss to the tax payer. All of us in the private sector that pay the wages of those who are not!
Wrong. This will pay for itself within a week when people can have their surgery and be back at work paying tax
35% doctors rise this year, what about next year?
Well i for one wont be paying more tax so people better off than me can be even better off.
Have you studied for a medical degree, sir?
You make it sound like it’s optional
If only you could opt out, at the rate it's going it might just be cheaper to not go to work!
Well done 👍🏼 Labour.
🇬🇧
Typical labour throw money at the problem
Wait till the other unions issue there demands
Yeah it’s disgusting £600m at Rwanda scheme, £4.5b on bogus PPE conyracts
Oh wait a minute, sorry that’s the Tories
At least they are trying more than the toss... Torys did
@stuartnewman6968 where is the money coming from if labour have committed to 0 income or n.i increases with all the other free services they are starting?
@@theonlyotherdan6587 its called economic growth.
@@theonlyotherdan6587 Labour have taken over the SNP magic money tree and Diane Abacus is doing the account's
Of course it can it was political
A lot of idiots here, these strikes were political, but only because the tories made a political choice to not even negotiate. The amount they spent on paying consultants to cover during the strikes could have settled the dispute months ago but they chose not to, to seem tough in front of their supporters
Will they answer the phone now?
Wonder which union will be next....
If they can fix it within a week I just don't want to see unprecedented borrowing to achieve their goals to snub the Tories. At least if they are open and honest about what we have to pay to up keep up beautiful NHS then I will do it
It is not only the Junior Doctors who have lost ground. During the disastrous Tory rule, there was a loss of ground across the board. The only section that has prospered has been the super-rich.
I have heard that some of the Labour cabinet ministers have taken money off a private healthcare company, one had £200 thousand pounds, I wonder why the company would give away that much money ?. Is the NHS to go more private now,? Do they declare this on their expense forms,
If labour fails to privatise the NHS. The next Government certainly will.
Why is it we are only seeing these strikes now? I mean over the years and decades, NHS staff salaries have had below inflation increases, freezes etc. Yet there were no strikes.
I suspect its more to do with this generation of doctors. Instead of aiming for the large salary at the end, as with previous generations. They fall into this generations default mindset that they should get what they want when they want it and that they deserve a huge salary straight out of university.
The tories would not talk to the doctors, they have no interest in negotiating, because they are against the unions fully, they wanted to weild ultimate power to keep wages low across the whole workforce, it's always been the same,
Oh dear isn't the docs rep not willing to negotiate with the press, remember clapping for the medical staff during covid. Get the minister for health on and ask him his negotiating stance. Then remind him of covid and the hours worked by junior doctors.
If, by some miracle, Labour do end up giving 35% (which I very much doubt). Expect an avalanche of other public services all doing the same. It will be carnage.
Also, explain the logic of asking for a pay rise in line with the pay structure from a time before you even started the job?
It makes no sense.
Explain to me why a doctor starting work in 2024 should be paid less (in real terms) for doing the same amount of work as a doctor who started work in 2000, say? The UK public must be careful, we are not doing doctors, nurses and teachers a favour by paying them fairly, commiserate with their education and skills. Save your disdain for the politicians who have mismanaged the NHS rather. Doctors can pack up and leave and the same government will then be crying about a shortage of doctors.
@@chumabanjwa4662 so if I choose to become a doctor, knowing that the pay is what it is, I should go on strike and demand a raise?
I'm not saying the pay is acceptable or fair or anything like that. What I'm saying is that if you don't like the current pay, don't become a doctor. You don't have the right to become a doctor and then moan about the pay retrospectively when you knew what it was when you started.
Using your logic, I could retrain as a coal miner and demand I get pay rises in line with the last 40 years of neglect.
Simple supply and demand.
Physicians associates in hospitals undertake responsibilities that are a direct subset of the work of the foundation doctor.
The numbers are straightforward.
A physicians associate receives a Band 7 agenda for change salary, currently £43,742. They have to do two years of medical study for this position and can’t prescribe.
A foundation doctor receives £32,398 for which they have done five years of medical study, three of which on placement within hospitals and general practice, including passing the GMC’s medical licensing assessment in year 4, the prescribing exam and spending a year working ‘for free’, essentially as an intern, in year 5.
Increasing the Foundation doctor’s base pay to the same as that of the vastly less qualified physician associate is a 35% rise.
@@aldursys so why are people training as a foundation doctor rather than a physicians associate knowing that the pay is 35% less?
Again, I'm not saying that the pay is right (not for me to judge) but if nobody trained to be a foundation doctor then we'd have a shortage and the government would be forced to pay more to attract applications.
My issue isn't with the pay in terms of numbers, it's the mentality that I can go into a job in 2024 with my eyes open and then go on strike because there's not been a decent pay rise since 2000.
@@matthewsprague7674 I have no doubt in future years doctors will either be leaving this country en masse or they will be choosing to go work in the private sector if they choose to stay. The same thing that happened with dentistry on the NHS will eventually happen with medical doctors. When that happens remember your disdain for doctors. Remember how flippant you were asking why they chose to be NHS doctors if they couldn't shut up and accept the peanuts 🥜 the government was asking them to contend with. Good luck having your complex medical issue being treated by a person with 2 years medical training when you go on the NHS ✌🏽. Either that , or I hope you and yours can afford private medical insurance 😀
Yep, let's print more money to pay doctors and make the rest of us poorer
How much is doctor worth, in your estimation? What would you pay someone to save your life? Or the lives of others?
@@michaelweeks5858Let's turn that argument around.,How much money is spent on killing and injuring people in wars in other countries??Starmer supports genocide.
Where will the money come from we all ask?
Well the answer is pretty simple; instead of the politicians lining their own pockets, use it for the public services instead!
However, I can't see it happening any time soon myself 😔
Everyone will get a payrise because of the Labour borrow and spend policy in five years this country will be upto its head in debt.
It's already trillions in debt... WTFU
35 per cent is pure greed.
Next will be the rail workers the labour party will give there pay masters (the unions) what ever they want.
Easyest thing in the world to resolve a dispute is pay their demands. Unfortunately the tax payer has to pick up the cost!
It’ll pay for itself within a week when people can have their surgery and be back at work paying tax
@@crayontom9687 that’s a lefty view.
@@robbenson4598 no, it’s an economist’s view
These same junior doctors crying for 26% rise are nowhere to be seen when other less paid staff ask for more than 1%
I don't smoke and drink next to no alcohol but I am not sure banning these products works . The indoor public smoking ban though has generally been a great success . Raising large amounts of tax on these products may price out the young and clamping down on illegal sales . Certainly ban advertising and that should go for gambling too another bane on society in my view . The fact that smoking has become more socially unacceptable has been very successful ; when yo compare it to say the 40s ; when people smoked at work .
If you cut off the Treasury's Income stream from Smoking and Gambling. I hope that you are willing to pay more Income tax and VAT.
@@basicconcepts1d I already said I would not ban them just regulate and ban advertising. That has mainly happened with cigarettes. There are constant gambling adverts. Smoking continues to be a source of morbidity in the health service.
Going to fold and roll over and pay. The health service isn't broken. It just wastes money...
Wrong. This will pay for itself within a week when people can have their surgery and be back at work paying tax
Once the junior doctors get their large increase everyone else in the NHS will want similar.
Yes. Good. They're so underpaid compared to their counterparts in most other Western nations
And they should get paid more. Where exactly is the problem?
@@premojha979why should they get paid more.They knew what the pay would be when they took the job on.
@@jablot5054the problem is that not enough people are taking the job on, because the pay isn't enough for what is being asked.
We don't have enough doctors and nurses; how do you propose we get more?
Will people stop our country is in ruins.god sake doctors save lives. Grow up times radio
Doctors are entitled.
The NHS is broken, not because there is not enough money, they have a record amount of funding. Their budget is more than 25% more than it was under the last Labour government.
The NHS is over staffed. Is NOT under paid. They can take a running jump.
What was the point of a strike when we had NO GOVERNMENT that could make an agreement with the Junior Doctors? Will the Civil Service allow the government to pay the doctors?
Giving in to the junior doctors will cost us all so much, especially as it will open the floodgates to all other unions.
What about those workers who were on the front line all the we way through COVID, but because they worked for Compass Medirest and not directly for the NHS trusts have not received the Covid bonus that NHS staff got?
We worked as hard and as diligently as trust NHS staff.
As an agency worker you were getting paid a higher rate of pay than regular NHS staff - so really you should shut up. Its people like you that cost the NHS so much money - why dont you work for the NHS directly but instead choose to work for an agency??
It was resolved a long time ago in Scotland
Tomorrow have Appointment with 33 junior Doctors,albeit at very busy Junction Road off a Roundabout.
Easy to Spot hand carved Placards ,Siping Oatmilk Latte with infused chia seeds ..
How much snd is it affordable 😂
All, and more.
They get paid enough in fact everytime they whine their pay should be reduced by 20% and see committed they are.
So let's see how much they are actually paid through all the grades..bring it out in the open.