@@clementineeverett9762 i think he means about skill trees of first 3 chars like wormwood's who's skill tree has been change way after official release
Sometimes the Community is wrong. And I get that it's subjective whether people like them or not but *objectively* Klei made the worst mistake of their DS/DST life when they added Skilltrees to this game, and more and more people are starting to realize it.
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@@TheBeard777 On the 1st day of christmas Klei gave to me. A wendy skillll tree. On the 2nd day of chrstmas Klei gave to me 1 wendy skill tree and 2 walter hotfiiixxx. 😅
I remember complaining about wendy's skill tree when you just made the first video, I'm so happy to see they taking in the feedback and changing her around so she would feel more unique even the little quija board I'm loving it, I feel like there are some changes to be had still but i love that they are pushing her into a good direction
Let's hope they stick to this version of Klei moving forward. We might actually see a resurgence of support from people who've been burned out these last 2 years with Skilltrees and Rifts.
I don't think we're praising their choices, Rality. We're just shocked that Klei is actually thinking about stuff before actually implementing it fully like they used to do back in Return of Them.
I'm a little surprised Klei are actually trying to address the complaint about Wendy's skills contradicting her personality. And almost as surprised that someone complained about it in the first place. In most games' communities I'm a part of, such changes would've been implemented without a second thought, because for both the devs and the players consistent writing is somewhere at the bottom of their list of priorities.
I dont agree with everything that Klei does, but I must say that I had nothing but fun and a good time with DST! I respect Klei for still doing updates for this game and delaying the update was a good decision, more time in the oven, more time to communicate 🙏🏻
I think it's about time I should stop being biased. Thank you for putting up the sum of updates, as someone who doesnt play Wendy it's quite interesting to see most of the changes. Keep up the good work!
Beard i know this something u probably wouldn't consider but can u make a video on the current state of Dont starve pocket edition almost no one makes videos on it i know its a few years behind but i don't have access to DST until Netflix games releases it in june 2025
As a Wendy main I don't mind waiting a little longer for them to properly figure out what they're doing with her. Though there are still some changes that I'd make if I could, these new changes are already making the initial skill tree a lot better.
They are also thinking of a solution for Wortox soul hop on console and this is actually really great, because for those who dont know using Wortox on console always been a freakin pain
I do hope they give a skill that increases the Elixir durations if used on players, or that it could be tied in with the duration increase skill with Abigail as well. Since I think 20 seconds is really too short and would make usage of her potions a lot more niche and unpractical in larger applications, since I think it while more or less a novelty, would have added a new layer of depth to Wendy and play style of supporting her fellow survivors by providing buffs and brews with powerful potions. They could do 1 of two things, keep the potency the same but increase duration. Or 2, increase the potency of the potions, and keep the duration the same. That way where as even if it lasts only 20 seconds, that 20 seconds you could leverage the buff and make great use of it. Basically a choice between a short but strong buff, or long but weak buff. I’d just like to see it be expanded upon rather than reduced like this.
I don’t know if I’m more mad that they said they would release the update and fix it afterwards and then continue to do this instead or the fact that I almost perfectly guessed this would happen
All I wanted for Wendy was for Abigail to get a lunar and nightmare form (I figured night mare flowers or lunar flowers in Sisturn to activate) so I’m pretty content with the skill tree. That being said, nightmare Abigail should look like pure horror or a resting horror. I’m really surprised they just colored her bottom half and called it a day
glad they took another sight to walter because i feeled that his skill tree was too unidirectional focusing only wobby and his slingshot when he has more perks
Either make it drop qn additional peice of loot on occasion or make it so rare loot drops are more common. Like more likely to get pigskin from a pig or silk from a spider
The grand mistake of skill tree is still on the loose, hope they kinda limit it to only after you activate rifts or something, as it stands atm it feels out of place
Just saying. Walter has the least amount of skills in a skilltree in the game So He CAN have a new non-slingshot non-woby related skills in the next patches
@@LuigiFan77 luckily, it seems the answer is "as many as it takes for people to be happy". Better to keep trying to improve then say "close enough" and just push it out after the first or second fix
as many until the Chi-i mean Wendy main bullies are happy, so be prepared for wendy to be insanely powercrept. those players only care about being able to kill bosses and will bully the devs to get what they want.
@@MikhailNijegorodsky basically for Abigail to be insanely bulky. Because to them because they care about only about fighting bosses really, a abagailless wendy is a wes, because she does the same damage as him without the vex Abigail gives. That's the reason why Abigail can now bu instantly leveled back to lv3 with the new ghastly experience elixir and why she now can effectively take 50% less damage from bosses. Because they simply depend oh Abigail's existence.
I have a questions. Can Wendy change Abigel form if I change to each form or not. I mean she powerful against boss. But In normal condition I just want she to AOE and clear all mob.
I know! That's what I'm saying! To change her back to normal with the Lunar side activated you need to wait for a New Moon and her Shadow side is temporary anyways so all you have to do is wait.
klei is focusing on the wrong thing = skill trees... we don't need them, focus on the exploration and survival aspect instead to make the game better, skill trees just make the characters overpowered and unfun, look at walter's skill tree, he's boring unless you like holding F and being safe all the time ngl so far wilson has the best and most balanced skill tree probably
Woodie's is the best Skilltree, bar none. Takes Woodie and doesn't give him more stuff for stuff's sake. It refines the character. And that is what this game has been needing for years now. Not MORE but refinement of what we already have.
@@TheBeard777 but notice how wortox, willow, walter and now abigail are becoming overpowered, i wouldn't have a problem with skill trees if they were balanced and if they simply enhanced the character slightly but significantly enough to notice the difference, willow didn't need lunar fire or shadow fire skills she would be strong without them already, that's my opinion
warly is a boring character to play. its a Culinarian yet i cant mix foods and try out many types of ingredients. If warly gets an update, im sure with the skill tree he will have a much more fun gameplay. Klei problem is taking too long, is DST too old? maybe DST 2, with improved code would make it all faster.
@@tPlayerioT warly can make volt goat jelly if i'm not mistaken, which is like the most OP food item cuz it gives you electrical damage, i'd say warly is good as he is, i miss when don't starve characters were simple and had few upsides and few downsides, portable crockpot is also nice
Lets hope it will come out one day. Honestly the speed of updates recently... My problem is not even with the content, I really like all the post-game stuff. Its just coming out way too slow.
Slow is better. Klei used to release an Update every month but back then they had actual plans, a full Team, and thought through their Arcs. They've been doing have having next to none of that with "From Beyond".
@@TheBeard777 Yeah I agree with that. Its just painful getting used to the new update cycle. (Maybe we'll get a frickin Waggstaff boss battle in 30 years or so XD) I wonder why the team shrunk so much, whether it was because of financial reason or some other one. It quite saddens me. I hope the new content cadence will at least pick up once all the skilltrees are done.
My guy slow is better. You're all brainrotted from the modern videogame industry where they drop feed you with 2 months updates. Coding take times and is an art. You can't rush art.
@@mmgmismas Oh right. You'll be surprised, the reason is not money or power or people. The devs were tired and frustated with the schedules. They didn't have time to breathe, that's really why. They're just humans.
i will say. people are being a Little ridiculous abt wendy whoi s already a pretty busted character. i like the skill tree now as it cuts down on so much of the useless utilities (albiet fun ones) byut Jeeze some people aren't being very nice to the devs about it and it makes me Sad
Is there some of that happening? Yes. Are there translation issues also making it worse than it is? Indeed. Does Klei deserve all of it? No. But does Klei deserve a good portion of the IDEAS that people are bringing up about the state of the game/their development the last 2 years? Oh 1000000%. Just like you wishing for people to stop bashing them or your favorite game we are asking that you guys stop apologizing for Klei who are making the wrong decisions every time.
I’m getting into dont starve shipwrecked. Any advice on how to explore and find islands as quickly as possible? You recommend I stay in shallow waters? Oh and another question should I waste time gathering every thing in plain sight?
Typically there are three rings of islands; An inner ring, middle ring, and outer ring. Still all random but they do tend to form bigger and bigger circles on the map. As for finding them, the moment you see aqua greenish water you're close to land. Other than that it will indeed be a bit of exploring and we can't help you there. Shipwrecked is all about island hopping as you truly don't need a base until a couple days in Hurricane Season. And even then a simple lightning rod and some chests to save your loot will suffice. Learn to just keep moving, gathering just the basics as always with a sprinkling of bamboo, vine, snakeskin, and sea shells. Then, go from there. We can't spoil everything for you! 😋😏
@@kingkurasaki4095 those fights were only klaus (not due to survivability but her aoe damages the deer, so she still can't be used). Then both beagers and frostjaw. Which are now probably poddible anyways due to team spirit It also made her able to tank concerningly long against some bosses. And infinitely long against deerclops, and maybe more
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Glad they're pushing the release back instead of putting out something that they (and the community) aren't completely happy with 🙏
If only they were like this at the start of Skilltrees and "From Beyond"!
The community seems to like skill trees
@@clementineeverett9762 i think he means about skill trees of first 3 chars like wormwood's who's skill tree has been change way after official release
Sometimes the Community is wrong. And I get that it's subjective whether people like them or not but *objectively* Klei made the worst mistake of their DS/DST life when they added Skilltrees to this game, and more and more people are starting to realize it.
@@clementineeverett9762 Nope. Half like them. Half not. It's divided.
Also you should listen to beard about these topics, because he's right.
bro makes videos faster than i can humanly comprehend
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Why The Wendy Changes Are Happening - forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162326-notes-on-wendys-skill-tree-646898-12122024/
Delaying The Beta -forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162274-dont-starve-together-beta-extension-information/
Beta Post - forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160774-game-update-642632/
Hotfix 1 - forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160806-game-update-642838/
Hotfix 2 - forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160979-game-update-643115/
Hotfix 3 - forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161516-game-update-644439/
Hotfix 4 - forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161908-game-update-645651/
Hotfix 5 - forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162325-game-update-646898/
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Another Wendy refresh, another 7 hotflixes. Perfectly balanced as all things should be
I reckon at least 2 more... Maybe even three... 👀
@@TheBeard777 On the 1st day of christmas Klei gave to me. A wendy skillll tree.
On the 2nd day of chrstmas Klei gave to me 1 wendy skill tree and 2 walter hotfiiixxx. 😅
@@blankx15 on the third day of Christmas Klei Stole from me a Wortox skillllll Treeeee
I remember complaining about wendy's skill tree when you just made the first video, I'm so happy to see they taking in the feedback and changing her around so she would feel more unique even the little quija board I'm loving it, I feel like there are some changes to be had still but i love that they are pushing her into a good direction
Oh trust me... They have countless pages of feedback to read through and pick from when it comes to Wendy alone let alone the other two! 😅
I love that they are putting time and thought into the skilltrees *at least compared to certain other skilltrees anyway*
Let's hope they stick to this version of Klei moving forward. We might actually see a resurgence of support from people who've been burned out these last 2 years with Skilltrees and Rifts.
So much thought that Abigail is immortal again. Yippee!
I don't think we're praising their choices, Rality. We're just shocked that Klei is actually thinking about stuff before actually implementing it fully like they used to do back in Return of Them.
@@TheBeard777 Erm, I know that is what you praised in your video, but I'm not sure the OP of this comment meant the same thing tbh.
@@ralitypls they extended the beta till january, these changes arent final
I'm a little surprised Klei are actually trying to address the complaint about Wendy's skills contradicting her personality. And almost as surprised that someone complained about it in the first place.
In most games' communities I'm a part of, such changes would've been implemented without a second thought, because for both the devs and the players consistent writing is somewhere at the bottom of their list of priorities.
I don't even play this game but there was so much on the thumbnail I had to click
😅😅💙💙😁😁👍🏻👍🏻
I just want them to care this much when they make maxwells skill tree. That’s my favorite character
I want them to care this much about their entire franchise that they realize that it's time to wrap it up soon. 👍🏻
I dont agree with everything that Klei does, but I must say that I had nothing but fun and a good time with DST! I respect Klei for still doing updates for this game and delaying the update was a good decision, more time in the oven, more time to communicate 🙏🏻
Now they need to do that throughout 2025.
im glad they arent rushing to push out the skilltree and are giving us a finished product
I think it's about time I should stop being biased.
Thank you for putting up the sum of updates, as someone who doesnt play Wendy it's quite interesting to see most of the changes.
Keep up the good work!
im super excited for warly update. sad its not next update but atleast will try out others
Beard i know this something u probably wouldn't consider but can u make a video on the current state of Dont starve pocket edition almost no one makes videos on it i know its a few years behind but i don't have access to DST until Netflix games releases it in june 2025
Care to tell me more about what YOU know about its current state so I can consider doing something like this in general?
I CANT BEARD I CANT ANYMORE IM FEINING FOR THIS UPDATE
As a Wendy main I don't mind waiting a little longer for them to properly figure out what they're doing with her. Though there are still some changes that I'd make if I could, these new changes are already making the initial skill tree a lot better.
What else would you like to see my friend?
They are also thinking of a solution for Wortox soul hop on console and this is actually really great, because for those who dont know using Wortox on console always been a freakin pain
All these wendy changes when wortox still needs some love😭😭
I do hope they give a skill that increases the Elixir durations if used on players, or that it could be tied in with the duration increase skill with Abigail as well.
Since I think 20 seconds is really too short and would make usage of her potions a lot more niche and unpractical in larger applications, since I think it while more or less a novelty, would have added a new layer of depth to Wendy and play style of supporting her fellow survivors by providing buffs and brews with powerful potions.
They could do 1 of two things, keep the potency the same but increase duration.
Or 2, increase the potency of the potions, and keep the duration the same.
That way where as even if it lasts only 20 seconds, that 20 seconds you could leverage the buff and make great use of it.
Basically a choice between a short but strong buff, or long but weak buff.
I’d just like to see it be expanded upon rather than reduced like this.
Im so so glad they are going to make walter more of an actual boy scout insead of just the guy with a slingshot
I don’t know if I’m more mad that they said they would release the update and fix it afterwards and then continue to do this instead or the fact that I almost perfectly guessed this would happen
All I wanted for Wendy was for Abigail to get a lunar and nightmare form (I figured night mare flowers or lunar flowers in Sisturn to activate) so I’m pretty content with the skill tree. That being said, nightmare Abigail should look like pure horror or a resting horror. I’m really surprised they just colored her bottom half and called it a day
i think that by far the longest update......i think
glad they took another sight to walter because i feeled that his skill tree was too unidirectional focusing only wobby and his slingshot when he has more perks
"i am the one who slingshots'
love you beard, thnx for info!
Thanks for watching, and I hope the video was helpful!
Thank you klei for doing this, I won’t play until the release of the skill tree, see you later 🙂↔️😶😑
I want the nabsack to give extra deops if naughty, but only a chance at it. A luck/loot based trait to go with being a trickster imp
Either make it drop qn additional peice of loot on occasion or make it so rare loot drops are more common. Like more likely to get pigskin from a pig or silk from a spider
It should also literally be a shadow storage type of thing. It is based on Krampus after all!
If this works than maybe all they need is a bit more time.
The grand mistake of skill tree is still on the loose, hope they kinda limit it to only after you activate rifts or something, as it stands atm it feels out of place
The grand mistake was Klei not planning Skilltrees or From Beyond at all... 👀😶
We need a guide on flowers, Beard 😁
Maybe after this Update...? I don't really make guides like that anymore but... I do somewhat miss it.
Just saying.
Walter has the least amount of skills in a skilltree in the game
So
He CAN have a new non-slingshot non-woby related skills in the next patches
Disappointed, but hopeful more time in the oven will improve all 3.
[family friendly expression of surprise] how many hotfixes do they need?!
Edit: this wasn't supposed to be taken seriously
@@LuigiFan77 luckily, it seems the answer is "as many as it takes for people to be happy".
Better to keep trying to improve then say "close enough" and just push it out after the first or second fix
as many until the Chi-i mean Wendy main bullies are happy, so be prepared for wendy to be insanely powercrept.
those players only care about being able to kill bosses and will bully the devs to get what they want.
@@ssneakyandfriends1626but Wendy is already a top-tier damager with an ornery beefalo, what they want? Wendy being stronger than Wolfgang?
@@MikhailNijegorodsky basically for Abigail to be insanely bulky.
Because to them because they care about only about fighting bosses really, a abagailless wendy is a wes, because she does the same damage as him without the vex Abigail gives.
That's the reason why Abigail can now bu instantly leveled back to lv3 with the new ghastly experience elixir and why she now can effectively take 50% less damage from bosses.
Because they simply depend oh Abigail's existence.
@@LuigiFan77 What the fLuigi
how many times did wendy's skill tree get reworked already?!
4-5 times.
i like the ouija even if its a bit annoying lol
😅😁
So what's the deal with Wendy's second grave skill? The one speaking about giving skeletons rest with a gravestone or something
She can craft craves and place them on skeletons to create entirely new graves.
I need help reveiwing a mod pls help me its a character mod for wishes the cotton tail they tell you absolutely nothing about it
in this beta the wortox revive is with penalty even with skill
That's definitely a bug.
Is there gonna be a discount for Don't Starve on steam this December?🙏
Edit: I'm planning to buy it🤤
Usually is. Expect it this Thursday I imagine.
@TheBeard777 Thanks 😍
I have a questions. Can Wendy change Abigel form if I change to each form or not. I mean she powerful against boss. But In normal condition I just want she to AOE and clear all mob.
Only way to change Abigail from Gestalt Abi is during New Moons at a Moon Dial.
@TheBeard777 I mean change back to normal
I know! That's what I'm saying! To change her back to normal with the Lunar side activated you need to wait for a New Moon and her Shadow side is temporary anyways so all you have to do is wait.
@@TheBeard777 oh man this is so sad. What happens if we kill her will she respond as a Gestal to normal or not
There's a specific date to the release of the update?
Nope. Just sometime in January.
@@TheBeard777 01/12/25 is my geuss.
klei is focusing on the wrong thing = skill trees...
we don't need them, focus on the exploration and survival aspect instead to make the game better, skill trees just make the characters overpowered and unfun, look at walter's skill tree, he's boring unless you like holding F and being safe all the time
ngl so far wilson has the best and most balanced skill tree probably
Woodie's is the best Skilltree, bar none. Takes Woodie and doesn't give him more stuff for stuff's sake. It refines the character. And that is what this game has been needing for years now. Not MORE but refinement of what we already have.
@@TheBeard777 but notice how wortox, willow, walter and now abigail are becoming overpowered, i wouldn't have a problem with skill trees if they were balanced and if they simply enhanced the character slightly but significantly enough to notice the difference, willow didn't need lunar fire or shadow fire skills she would be strong without them already, that's my opinion
warly is a boring character to play. its a Culinarian yet i cant mix foods and try out many types of ingredients. If warly gets an update, im sure with the skill tree he will have a much more fun gameplay. Klei problem is taking too long, is DST too old? maybe DST 2, with improved code would make it all faster.
@@tPlayerioT warly can make volt goat jelly if i'm not mistaken, which is like the most OP food item cuz it gives you electrical damage, i'd say warly is good as he is, i miss when don't starve characters were simple and had few upsides and few downsides, portable crockpot is also nice
@michalvrabec454 and thats only thing everyone can mention of him. He is only used to get that food.
I think this whole skill tree thing is bullshit, I'd rather they focus on bringing new things to do and DS DLC stuff
Skilltrees were a very limiting thing they put upon themselves now 2 years ago, yes.
Whens the wigfrid charged spear update. Need restrained static early
Lets hope it will come out one day. Honestly the speed of updates recently... My problem is not even with the content, I really like all the post-game stuff. Its just coming out way too slow.
Slow is better. Klei used to release an Update every month but back then they had actual plans, a full Team, and thought through their Arcs. They've been doing have having next to none of that with "From Beyond".
@@TheBeard777 Yeah I agree with that. Its just painful getting used to the new update cycle. (Maybe we'll get a frickin Waggstaff boss battle in 30 years or so XD)
I wonder why the team shrunk so much, whether it was because of financial reason or some other one. It quite saddens me.
I hope the new content cadence will at least pick up once all the skilltrees are done.
@@mmgmismas they wanted to work on different projects maybe
My guy slow is better. You're all brainrotted from the modern videogame industry where they drop feed you with 2 months updates.
Coding take times and is an art. You can't rush art.
@@mmgmismas Oh right. You'll be surprised, the reason is not money or power or people.
The devs were tired and frustated with the schedules. They didn't have time to breathe, that's really why. They're just humans.
hmmmm delay after all that roadmap change
Better this than they release an update knowing it’s not finished
i will say. people are being a Little ridiculous abt wendy whoi s already a pretty busted character. i like the skill tree now as it cuts down on so much of the useless utilities (albiet fun ones) byut Jeeze some people aren't being very nice to the devs about it and it makes me Sad
Is there some of that happening? Yes. Are there translation issues also making it worse than it is? Indeed. Does Klei deserve all of it? No. But does Klei deserve a good portion of the IDEAS that people are bringing up about the state of the game/their development the last 2 years? Oh 1000000%.
Just like you wishing for people to stop bashing them or your favorite game we are asking that you guys stop apologizing for Klei who are making the wrong decisions every time.
why extra health is gone and gestal abigail completly uselss why would we use it
Gestalt Abigial PLUS her ability to take Player Damage literally make her invincible so... I have no idea what you're talking about.
@@TheBeard777 classic abigail still better i think its aoe damage more useful
I’m getting into dont starve shipwrecked. Any advice on how to explore and find islands as quickly as possible? You recommend I stay in shallow waters? Oh and another question should I waste time gathering every thing in plain sight?
If you want to find the volcano - explore the edges of the map, all other islands are random
Typically there are three rings of islands; An inner ring, middle ring, and outer ring. Still all random but they do tend to form bigger and bigger circles on the map. As for finding them, the moment you see aqua greenish water you're close to land. Other than that it will indeed be a bit of exploring and we can't help you there. Shipwrecked is all about island hopping as you truly don't need a base until a couple days in Hurricane Season. And even then a simple lightning rod and some chests to save your loot will suffice. Learn to just keep moving, gathering just the basics as always with a sprinkling of bamboo, vine, snakeskin, and sea shells. Then, go from there. We can't spoil everything for you! 😋😏
We lost...
Wendy's skill tree is heading in a good direction, bur giving Abby a player tag was not the move at all
Why not
Why not? The main problem Abigail had was that she was unusable in some fights and this fixes that
@@kingkurasaki4095 those fights were only klaus (not due to survivability but her aoe damages the deer, so she still can't be used).
Then both beagers and frostjaw. Which are now probably poddible anyways due to team spirit
It also made her able to tank concerningly long against some bosses. And infinitely long against deerclops, and maybe more
It's like a seesaw with those updates 🥲