Great video! IMO, take your homemade hoses to a hydraulic shop and have beefy high pressure hoses made. Then throw the homemade hoses in your carry bag for emergency spares. :)
Wrong, in this application reusable fittings or crimp on fittings are ok , you misspend what he said that he had the hose at too great of an angle and the fitting type makes no difference , all hydraulic lines don't handle sharp bends or angles well, when you talk hydraulic applications higher volume and PSI then crimp on is stronger than reusable, I have been able to get people back on the road in shorter time periods if their power steering has reusable ends, then its a new piece of hose $20 and a quart of fluid, so under $100 ,40 yrs in the industry and they're still good 👍
I'm always amazed at Rudy's positive attitude and skills. Fun to watch the development and testing of Hydro steering and how it handled that tough rock course. Maybe it's time to call the Rubicon "3/4 Dun" 😉
Yeah Rudy has to keep a positive attitude cuz Andy always seems to be negative lol. I guess some may call Andy realistic and Rudy optimistic. But sure are making leaps on the Jeep and the channel great work
The drone shots make a huge difference in your video. Seeing the entire area your working in gives the viewer a complete comparison of terrain size and difficulty.. An excellent video!
Rudy and Matt have the same aversion to knowing how much fuel they have! Definitely feel the brotherly love "it's gonna break..."! Keep the vids coming guys. Upgrade and test!
Hey Rudy I think you need to go to crimp style hydraulic fittings given how the old line failed for some added safety. I would make two sets and keep and extra set in the jeep. Enjoy watching you guys makes me miss living out West
I run equipment for a living and much of it is now full hydro steering. Tractors, backhoes, etc are mostly full hydro and the systems are pretty tough and also been around for decades. If your relying on the system to bring you home it's often a good idea to take what you need with you to replace or repair a hose in the field as the big downside of these systems is when they fail, you have no control. I didn't see you do anything that would have caused the failure (no operator error that I could see) and it appeared to be a mechanical failure. Testing your system like your doing in this video close to home is a very good idea for anyone who wants to convert their vehicle to a full hydro system. Thanks for the video Rudy.
I'm greatly amused by Rudy's positive outlook on anything, immediately followed by Andy's pessimistic response. The content is getting even better! Keep up the great work
You might still have steering if just the engine dies but you will not have steering if one of the lines blow. That means you don’t have a fail safe which is why I believe the DOT doesn’t allow full hydro steering on the road. Your brakes don’t rely on one line to stop so you still have brakes if one line blows.
I would NOT put my hopes in the last sentence you've made. Although you may not instantly lose all your brakes if 1 line goes. but you can and likely still will lose brakes very quickly especially if you use the peddle a couple times and empty the reservoir through the broken line. The auxiliary/parking brake hopefully still works (but that's a separate system you could add to the steering too for the same redudancy)
Collin buddy you are never too old or cool to wear a helmet around the rocks on that 4 wheeler. I know you ride safly but we wanna keep you around!!!! I am 31 this year and the ONLY reason I am 31 is thanks to a helmet while go karting, then while 4 wheeling, then again on a dirtbike, then one more time while snowboarding.
Once you are happy with the way the hoses are routed, I would get them made with crimped fittings and use the ones you made as spares. It would eliminate a point of failure just from working loose over time due to engine and vehicle vibrations. Seems like a pretty solid set up after you get everything dialed in.
Even tho full hydro isn't technically legal where I'm at, it does an absolutely beautiful job of turnin the 42s no matter where n what ya at! Highway speed it is a lil touchy tho
I think the advantage of the fittings you've used is that they are field serviceable, like you showed in the video. There was probably something not right with how that fitting was installed from the get-go, like you said. Maybe it makes sense to build the pressure line to the orbital valve using crimp on fittings as it is unlikely to be damaged by something out on the trail, but it would be convenient to be able to repair the lines to the ram while you are wheeling. Looks like you have a pretty decent amount of body roll. How does it feel?
That looks like the Parker field serviceable hoses, they should easily handle 3,000 psi and that pump is probably around 1,450. I’m going with your fist thought of probably not put together correctly.
The worst part is that $16 a quart PS fluid hittin the ground! The steering videos are coming at the perfect time..I’m swapping out my PSC assist for full hydro and it’s too darn expensive to screw up!
What's the pressure rating on the wrench on hydraulic fittings? I always assumed it was extremely low and that you should go for crimped fittings for anything high pressure. Amazing work either way.
Awesome job getting the Ridicon up through that off road course Rudy! The obstacle course , well to me it looks like the Rudicon was unsafe at any speed. Nice job filming Andy!
30 sec in and I needed to Subscribed! This is good stuff Edit 10:00 min in. Great work on the build and comfort with enjoying it. Final edit. Rock the easy to field repair hose as long as needed. It did great.
Like your videos. Do you think you should put gaiters/boots on the steering shafts. My fear is the sand and grit will work itself into the ram and scratch the surface causing the seals to leak.
Rudy learned his Wonderful attitude towards life Morals, Manners,work Ethics and his Aversion to an Adequate amount of Gas. Love your Videos Rudy. You give an old man a little hope for the Future..
Love this Jeep. Definitely needs lower gears one way or another tho. Must. You’ll have so much more throttle control when your not just riding the very beginning of the torque converter.
You need to fab your own set of quick disconnect sway bar links that are HD at least for the front end, that would make it handle better and safer for on road driving at higher speeds, or get a set of electronic ones off a power wagon
Wow! apples and trees. MORR kids for sure, Andy too with the quick wit! Great driving/engineering/eyecrometing. Looking forward to seeing the c10 progress! keep it 4x4 but slammed
I used the same style fittings when whipping up some hoses for my LS swapped Volvo. And... they lasted about as far as yours did. Maybe 3/4 of a mile on the first drive, one of the ends popped off. I had a shop build a new pressure hose and left all the other ones alone and it's been fine ever since.
I love your little brother, he's the perfect amount of Negativity! You guys are like Ying and Yang ☯️ As for hydraulic steering for an offroad vehicle 👍 definitely the way to go! As for my Daily driver/Off-Roader I'll stick with my Hydraulic Ram assist, I like redundancy, and I'm pretty sure full hydraulic is not DOT legal as far as I know? And your brother needs his own channel "Most Negative Guy In Utah" it would almost as good as Big Love! 😆 Great video Rudy and keep it on E #XJLIFE That looked just like the picture I sent you of my 98 XJ on E , E is for enough 😀
Re: DOT and on road I was wondering this also. That is my understanding as well, that fully hydraulic is not road legal. I was building a street truck 30 years ago and was going to go fully hydraulic to beat the inherent steering fab problems after lowering the truck. Like the Rudicon it was going to be slick and clean. I thought "cool why didn't I think of this earlier." Until as an afterthought I decided to check with my insurance company who did not mind insuring street rods. They disliked the idea so much that they threatened to cancel me. They said under no circumstance would they insure the truck or would they pay any claim related to damage if I went ahead and installed it anyway. Sort of the same as street racing and wrecking your ride and another vehicle as well as injuring yourself or someone else. They would just tell me to go fish as it were. SO I never did it. However it is nice to see Rudy is trying it. Seems to work like I envisioned it... Nice
@Meagan Christie I figured that and it kinda makes sense, God forbid you ( On Road ) lose your steering, that's one of the scariest things that can happen while driving, especially here in the NYC/Long Island area, terrifying actually! But if it's a trailer queen, then no problem, I personally like a tight positive feel for my steering, so I have 3/4 heim joints and a PSC hydraulic 8" ram and I have no slop in my 03 Tacoma S.A.Swap, I also like redundancy, I've already broken stuff and still made the few hundred miles back home, I would love to have a trailer, but I also love driving my vehicle on road as well, I've never driven a full hydraulic setup, but I can imagine it's not as responsive as a linked steering setup, my truck ( Check it out on my RUclips channel ) with the ram assist, is tight! And I have a converted from crappie IFS to Solid Axle Tacoma, so it's completely redesigned, and works perfectly! I love my mini truck 🛻 monster! And she's DOT compliant, I've been let go by a few insurance companies, so I can't play any games, I'm sure Rudy is daily driving this XJ, so for just offroad, then it's a great setup, I just personally rather have the on road option, great talking to ya , nice to get a positive response to my comments, it's not always like that TY
ur correct that full hydro is not legal for use on road the code specificly states that there must be a physical mechanical means of steering at all times just for the reason that happened in the video if you lose your fluid you know longer have any steering.
@John Wasson That's what I'm running, linked steering with Hydraulic Ram assist, even if it was street legal, I would be a nervous that there's nothing really connected besides the Hydraulic lines
This is the biggest reason I've wondered about hydro stearing. When it goes down in the middle of nowhere you could be screwed. I've also heard alot about it not being streetable but it seems like you disproved that
The other issue with full hydro is the steering wheel doesn't return to centre properly. Something else to check. Depending on local road rules you may require a mechanically linked steering. I would change those fittings to crimped fittings.
@@JT_70 They do and Rudy bought that. BUT because there isn't a mechanical link, centre is slightly different each time. Which is very obvious with the airbag wheel.
Those "field serviceable" fittings are a hassle. I have seen more leaks on the trail from those than anything. Every NAPA I have ever been to has everything needed to build legitimate crimped hydraulic hoses, and they really are pretty cheap. Keep the field serviceable fittings in the glovebox for an emergency trail repair, that's about all they are good for.
The Rudicon did really good in my opinion. I do have a question. Do you think The MOORVAIR and Paul's FJ could do the rock climbing that you just did? I think they could it would be challenging but they could do it
16:39 Kaulin (I think I finally saw the spelling and did it right) "you're good now...I guess". Then follows with the assesment I had. That was an insane obstacle. edit: Good job on the rig.Good drive on the obstacle.
@@timpretzsch2609 Hydraulic hoses are, working out from inside, rubber-steel-rubber, if braided they have an extra outer layer of steel and sometimes a plastic casing too
If you noticed, the hose fitting that popped off the hose was only on the hose about 3/4" not the entire depth of the outer sheath, the outer screws on reverse thread, and has to be fully screwed on the entire way before screwing the inner part of the fitting in that expands it outwards to pressure fit the hose between the inner and outer parts. These fittings are perfectly capable of the pressures and function they are being used for here if not put in a high angle bind, and installed on the hose properly.
That slomunb (sp) part worried me. Jeeps have a high center of gravity by nature and no sway bars just add to the problem - SO BE CAREFUL!😁😬 Your Jeep is becoming quite the off road machine. You can be proud of it. Your videos are really turning out good too. Happy for what you are doing. Kudos kiddo!
Love watching you and your build grow. I have had overall good luck with the home made hoses like you used on high pressure hydraulic systems. Occasionally one fitting doesn't hold for one reason or another. I typically use them in temporary situations and have crimped lines built to replace them. Keep up the good work
Nice videos Rudy, That hose blew because the outer had only screwed into the rubber skin of the hose which got soft as it heated up and skinned it's way out. The outer part can come for one or two wired hyd hose and you need the correct one. Then you need to skive the hose (remove the outer skin) so the thread bites into the braid and makes a secure fit.
I agree totally with Caulin: an insane obstacle Rudy and great skills getting through and over it: you must be stoked that the steering is such an improvement
Reusable fittings are fine, we used them on heavy equipment for decades. They do, however have left handed threads in the collar that need to be screwed on till it bottoms out before you insert the center section, which has right handed threads. You can see from how much rubber came off of the hose that it only had about half as much engagement onto the hose as it should've had.
Rudy, you have come a long way in your new venture. I know I say it a lot but it’s true, I am so proud of you. Your brothers are awesome too. Have fun making memories with your brothers. ❤️🙏🙏👍👍🌟🌟🏆🏆❤️
The load you put on the pump caused your crummy line to push out of the connector. If you are gonna drive a full hydro system like that on pavement it needs to have high pressure hoses, specifically if your gonna fully lock the steering wheel. Great video!
Did you use reusable AN fittings on the pressure side? While TDI swapping my LJ, I used those to make the pressure side of the p/s system, TDI pump to the Jeep steering box and it lasted a bit, until I blew the line off the fitting. Remade the lines with a crimp on fitting and 15,000 miles later its still working out. Love the videos, keep up the great work!
Rudy I think that you need to do a little changing on the 1/2 done jeep and change it to the 3/4 done rubicon!!! Just so that others can understand and no that maybe that you are still working on the jeep to getting it closer to it’s full done potential!!!! Lol!! Awesome video buddy and remember keep up all the hard work buddy!!!!
On the steering line that blew off it is possible that you didn't get the outer casing fully seated on the hose and then the inner fitting didn't get the right amount pressure to seat it fully ! I worked with those type fittings and done it a couple times before i figured out my mistake !
I wonder if the high pressure side wasn’t weak then the full lock turn finally overpressured it and made it pop off. Kinda like in a standard hydro-assist power steering, you hear the whine at full lock because the pressure in the pump and lines. Just a thought? Nice seeing your vids and your skill! Thanks for influencing so many!
Thanks for sharing. Nice to see the success is coming together keep up the good work Rudy and will keep her watching your showing that even a poor man can make it happen if you’re dedicated enough and patient.
Great testing and found the failure quickly and easily repaired. Let's see it was the A Team that said "I love it when a plan comes together." Or something like that. Congrats on successful installation!
That awesome, way better then the one I had, nice setup. Mine way considerably less predictable and had to constantly turn to the right, around and around the steering wheel. It was a no going without the engine on. I like this one. Swop out the hose for the higher psi and your golden.
So I'm kinda a hose nerd a little bit and I had some issues with PSC's new high pressure fittings which are the ones you have, the field servicable ones. They use eaton weatherhead hose which is good stuff but they somewhat kinda recently switched from eaton field servicable fittings to the ones like you have. I normally ordered eaton fittings from them and this last time I got the new style and took measurements and did some comparison after blowing a couple on a friend's jeep then I called psc and talked to them and did some research and found that eaton raised the price of their field servicable fittings which are the ones you can put together with wrenches. But you can order the eaton fittings through NAPA. I'd suggest looking for some of the eaton fittings that would've come with any psc stuff like roughly 1-2 years ago it's easy to know what is what because the eaton fittings say eaton all over the nut. Or go to Napa and order eaton weatherhead field servicable fittings they are worth the money in my opinion and it's worth looking into. Let me know if you need a part number and for which style/size and I can try to get it but my local NAPA knew exactly what I needed. Also the specs for that hose say to only use the eaton fittings. Another reason I prefer the eaton hose and eaton fittings over something like earls or aeroquip is they have a larger ID so I still spend the extra money on the eaton fittings. They are like 55 bucks each from NAPA. I've always found that it's a good idea to use the same manufacturers hose and fittings together I've made lots of hoses over the years.
I like that your example of full hydro steering on heavy equipment was "skid loader". Y'know, the piece of equipment defined by it's lack of actual steering. Anyways, those look like the thread-on style of AN fittings (or possibly JIC). Those are typically only rated for 450psi. Crimped fittings can handle 1500psi, and steel JIC fittings can handle several thousand.
I had snapped my rear axle on a Toyota 4 Runner due to diff lock still on on tarmac doing a burnout, so to get where I was going (ironical my mechanic) I engaged front 4wd on the road. The very first corner the power steering crapped out due to the 33" tyres and 4wd being engage. Drove the next 20 minutes without power steering. Good times.
Good job Rudy, i too, am looking at Hydro Assist for my '02 Excursion. The steering is Way Too Stiff for me, have to Manhandle it with Two Hands at all times. ☹
The problem with the full hydro steering over regular hydraulic assist is that when you lose fluid you lose steering, with hydraulic assist you still have steering if you can force the wheel to turn, which works fine at speed. Yes, with brakes you lose braking when you lose fluid, but there are other ways to stop a vehicle (parking brake, downshifting...) If your steering isn't returning I'd bet that it's alignment if you have the centeriing valve assembly.
I learned that if you steer it to lock and put force on it non crimped hoses they can’t handle the amount of pressure that the pump is trying to apply to the ram to push past it’s stoping point I have seen people blow crimped lines doing it to lol so when you did a u turn you maxed out the steering angle and it probably just burst a hose good stuff tho love the videos love seeing the progression of the rudicon
I dig this channel. I love Rudy's can do attitude and when he asks Andy for his thoughts, they are just slightly more sunshine than Eior (spelling? ) from Winnie the pooh.
Full hydro has no fail-safe solid connection. You will lose steering if one of the lines to the cylinder/ram blow. Chances of that are slim unless they get snagged on something while you are off road.
The fun of blowing a high pressure line in steering system. When I heard your planned test I figgued the line would have a failure, I had that happen on trail 5 back when Tellico was open for off-roading. BTW: the Badlands Off-road Jack is great I've used mine quite a bit in less than a month of having it, best floor jack I've had.
Great video! IMO, take your homemade hoses to a hydraulic shop and have beefy high pressure hoses made. Then throw the homemade hoses in your carry bag for emergency spares. :)
agreed, and its not very expensive, and they will handle wayyy more pressure
Wrong, in this application reusable fittings or crimp on fittings are ok , you misspend what he said that he had the hose at too great of an angle and the fitting type makes no difference , all hydraulic lines don't handle sharp bends or angles well, when you talk hydraulic applications higher volume and PSI then crimp on is stronger than reusable, I have been able to get people back on the road in shorter time periods if their power steering has reusable ends, then its a new piece of hose $20 and a quart of fluid, so under $100 ,40 yrs in the industry and they're still good 👍
@@99unclebob agreed 👍
But this isn’t “power steering” is it? Isn’t it fully hydraulic, no steering box or rack?
Both are correct. Time and budget often make ideal, harder than the fun is worth.
I'm always amazed at Rudy's positive attitude and skills. Fun to watch the development and testing of Hydro steering and how it handled that tough rock course. Maybe it's time to call the Rubicon "3/4 Dun" 😉
Or "Morr than 1/2 Dun"
Yeah Rudy has to keep a positive attitude cuz Andy always seems to be negative lol. I guess some may call Andy realistic and Rudy optimistic. But sure are making leaps on the Jeep and the channel great work
@@jdgvee9313 Or " > 1/2 Dun"
I was just getting ready to write that!
@@jdgvee9313 this
The drone shots make a huge difference in your video. Seeing the entire area your working in gives the viewer a complete comparison of terrain size and difficulty.. An excellent video!
Another cool point to it is that Rudy himself is setting the drone up. It has a pretty good "follow me" feature on it.
The drone shot almost looks like watching video game. ;)
Rudy and Matt have the same aversion to knowing how much fuel they have! Definitely feel the brotherly love "it's gonna break..."! Keep the vids coming guys. Upgrade and test!
The fuel problem ... it's a family thing
Andy is my absolute fav. His dry sense of humor is so good haha
I don’t about Andy having a dry sense of humour but more of a pessimist personality maybe 😂
He's the reality check, we all need an Andy by our sides telling us we've messed up haha
yes his glass is always half empty never half full lol
It means your Jeep sucks. 😂😂. Awesome response.
@@helenlegallais4208 almost feels like Andy doesn’t want to be there but there mom wants them together and Rudy is all for it😂
It is kind of cool watching Rudy and his brothers working on the same project and having fun doing so.
Hey Rudy I think you need to go to crimp style hydraulic fittings given how the old line failed for some added safety. I would make two sets and keep and extra set in the jeep. Enjoy watching you guys makes me miss living out West
I run equipment for a living and much of it is now full hydro steering. Tractors, backhoes, etc are mostly full hydro and the systems are pretty tough and also been around for decades. If your relying on the system to bring you home it's often a good idea to take what you need with you to replace or repair a hose in the field as the big downside of these systems is when they fail, you have no control. I didn't see you do anything that would have caused the failure (no operator error that I could see) and it appeared to be a mechanical failure. Testing your system like your doing in this video close to home is a very good idea for anyone who wants to convert their vehicle to a full hydro system. Thanks for the video Rudy.
Andy did great job filming. Love his attitude
5:06 I’m glad I’m not the only person who thinks like this. Point A to point B.
I'm greatly amused by Rudy's positive outlook on anything, immediately followed by Andy's pessimistic response.
The content is getting even better! Keep up the great work
I am very proud of you Rudy! Your dad taught you very well and you learned very well. Good on you. It is wonderful to see you doing your own thing.
You might still have steering if just the engine dies but you will not have steering if one of the lines blow.
That means you don’t have a fail safe which is why I believe the DOT doesn’t allow full hydro steering on the road.
Your brakes don’t rely on one line to stop so you still have brakes if one line blows.
And even then you have the me hanical(hopefully) parking/ e-brake
I would NOT put my hopes in the last sentence you've made. Although you may not instantly lose all your brakes if 1 line goes. but you can and likely still will lose brakes very quickly especially if you use the peddle a couple times and empty the reservoir through the broken line. The auxiliary/parking brake hopefully still works (but that's a separate system you could add to the steering too for the same redudancy)
Collin buddy you are never too old or cool to wear a helmet around the rocks on that 4 wheeler. I know you ride safly but we wanna keep you around!!!!
I am 31 this year and the ONLY reason I am 31 is thanks to a helmet while go karting, then while 4 wheeling, then again on a dirtbike, then one more time while snowboarding.
I taught myself to weld the beginning of this new year, mostly because of watching people like you who inspire me. Keep up the good work Rudy
I loved the cutaway to the off road floor jack, still in the box! (With the little doggie guarding it).
Once you are happy with the way the hoses are routed, I would get them made with crimped fittings and use the ones you made as spares. It would eliminate a point of failure just from working loose over time due to engine and vehicle vibrations. Seems like a pretty solid set up after you get everything dialed in.
Up next rear steering 👍
Excellent show today I dig Andy’s optimism
Even tho full hydro isn't technically legal where I'm at, it does an absolutely beautiful job of turnin the 42s no matter where n what ya at! Highway speed it is a lil touchy tho
I think the advantage of the fittings you've used is that they are field serviceable, like you showed in the video. There was probably something not right with how that fitting was installed from the get-go, like you said.
Maybe it makes sense to build the pressure line to the orbital valve using crimp on fittings as it is unlikely to be damaged by something out on the trail, but it would be convenient to be able to repair the lines to the ram while you are wheeling.
Looks like you have a pretty decent amount of body roll. How does it feel?
That looks like the Parker field serviceable hoses, they should easily handle 3,000 psi and that pump is probably around 1,450. I’m going with your fist thought of probably not put together correctly.
Rudy I am happy to see you including your brothers in the videos. It make for an interesting dynamic and they are fun to watch.
The worst part is that $16 a quart PS fluid hittin the ground! The steering videos are coming at the perfect time..I’m swapping out my PSC assist for full hydro and it’s too darn expensive to screw up!
not at all, the subscribers are paying for the fluid
How is yours performing?
Andy is so positive about everything. Like a trip for a root canal. 😂
What's the pressure rating on the wrench on hydraulic fittings? I always assumed it was extremely low and that you should go for crimped fittings for anything high pressure.
Amazing work either way.
Awesome job getting the Ridicon up through that off road course Rudy! The obstacle course , well to me it looks like the Rudicon was unsafe at any speed. Nice job filming Andy!
Man Andy is super positive lol
That obstacle was insane. Great vid.
30 sec in and I needed to Subscribed! This is good stuff
Edit 10:00 min in.
Great work on the build and comfort with enjoying it.
Final edit.
Rock the easy to field repair hose as long as needed. It did great.
Great video Rudy, the hydro steering looks like a great improvement. Get those kinks worked out and take us along for ride.
It's good to see your brothers working with and supporting your endeavors.
NICE TO SEE ALL THE BROTHERS WORKING TOGETHER! NICE JOB ON THE HYDRO STEERING!!
I like what you’re doing Rudy and brothers. Keep ‘em coming.
Wow that is some awesome craftsmanship & driving. You like Matt deserve the K C & C award. Kind, Caring, & Capable. Thanks for the videos.
You know there's family history of running out of gas, when you breakdown and you have to clarify, "I did not run out of gas" - lol.
Rudy your so chill! There’s a problem you fix it and move on ! Your the perfect person for off-roading!
Like your videos. Do you think you should put gaiters/boots on the steering shafts. My fear is the sand and grit will work itself into the ram and scratch the surface causing the seals to leak.
Rudy learned his Wonderful attitude towards life Morals, Manners,work Ethics and his Aversion to an Adequate amount of Gas.
Love your Videos Rudy.
You give an old man a little hope for the Future..
From Matt
Love this Jeep. Definitely needs lower gears one way or another tho. Must. You’ll have so much more throttle control when your not just riding the very beginning of the torque converter.
Rudy has the best attitude..nothing going to stop him which is great to see. Great video.
You need to fab your own set of quick disconnect sway bar links that are HD at least for the front end, that would make it handle better and safer for on road driving at higher speeds, or get a set of electronic ones off a power wagon
Put a locking hub at one end then you don't even need to disconnect anything!
Wow! apples and trees. MORR kids for sure, Andy too with the quick wit! Great driving/engineering/eyecrometing. Looking forward to seeing the c10 progress! keep it 4x4 but slammed
Put a anti-rock sway bar on one end and that should make most of the lean go away and not loose your flex.
I used the same style fittings when whipping up some hoses for my LS swapped Volvo. And... they lasted about as far as yours did. Maybe 3/4 of a mile on the first drive, one of the ends popped off. I had a shop build a new pressure hose and left all the other ones alone and it's been fine ever since.
I love your little brother, he's the perfect amount of Negativity! You guys are like Ying and Yang ☯️ As for hydraulic steering for an offroad vehicle 👍 definitely the way to go! As for my Daily driver/Off-Roader I'll stick with my Hydraulic Ram assist, I like redundancy, and I'm pretty sure full hydraulic is not DOT legal as far as I know? And your brother needs his own channel "Most Negative Guy In Utah" it would almost as good as Big Love! 😆 Great video Rudy and keep it on E #XJLIFE That looked just like the picture I sent you of my 98 XJ on E , E is for enough 😀
Re: DOT and on road I was wondering this also. That is my understanding as well, that fully hydraulic is not road legal. I was building a street truck 30 years ago and was going to go fully hydraulic to beat the inherent steering fab problems after lowering the truck. Like the Rudicon it was going to be slick and clean. I thought "cool why didn't I think of this earlier." Until as an afterthought I decided to check with my insurance company who did not mind insuring street rods. They disliked the idea so much that they threatened to cancel me. They said under no circumstance would they insure the truck or would they pay any claim related to damage if I went ahead and installed it anyway. Sort of the same as street racing and wrecking your ride and another vehicle as well as injuring yourself or someone else. They would just tell me to go fish as it were. SO I never did it. However it is nice to see Rudy is trying it. Seems to work like I envisioned it... Nice
@Meagan Christie I figured that and it kinda makes sense, God forbid you ( On Road ) lose your steering, that's one of the scariest things that can happen while driving, especially here in the NYC/Long Island area, terrifying actually! But if it's a trailer queen, then no problem, I personally like a tight positive feel for my steering, so I have 3/4 heim joints and a PSC hydraulic 8" ram and I have no slop in my 03 Tacoma S.A.Swap, I also like redundancy, I've already broken stuff and still made the few hundred miles back home, I would love to have a trailer, but I also love driving my vehicle on road as well, I've never driven a full hydraulic setup, but I can imagine it's not as responsive as a linked steering setup, my truck ( Check it out on my RUclips channel ) with the ram assist, is tight! And I have a converted from crappie IFS to Solid Axle Tacoma, so it's completely redesigned, and works perfectly! I love my mini truck 🛻 monster! And she's DOT compliant, I've been let go by a few insurance companies, so I can't play any games, I'm sure Rudy is daily driving this XJ, so for just offroad, then it's a great setup, I just personally rather have the on road option, great talking to ya , nice to get a positive response to my comments, it's not always like that TY
ur correct that full hydro is not legal for use on road the code specificly states that there must be a physical mechanical means of steering at all times just for the reason that happened in the video if you lose your fluid you know longer have any steering.
@John Wasson That's what I'm running, linked steering with Hydraulic Ram assist, even if it was street legal, I would be a nervous that there's nothing really connected besides the Hydraulic lines
This is the biggest reason I've wondered about hydro stearing. When it goes down in the middle of nowhere you could be screwed. I've also heard alot about it not being streetable but it seems like you disproved that
Thumbs up for Andy and the little dog.
The Jeep seems like a beast off-road but could probably use some sway bars for daily driving
Agreed
@@Rudysadventureanddesignreal anti-rock sways are awesome
The other issue with full hydro is the steering wheel doesn't return to centre properly.
Something else to check. Depending on local road rules you may require a mechanically linked steering.
I would change those fittings to crimped fittings.
Do they make a hydraulic steering that will return to center?
@@JT_70 They do and Rudy bought that. BUT because there isn't a mechanical link, centre is slightly different each time. Which is very obvious with the airbag wheel.
Those "field serviceable" fittings are a hassle. I have seen more leaks on the trail from those than anything. Every NAPA I have ever been to has everything needed to build legitimate crimped hydraulic hoses, and they really are pretty cheap. Keep the field serviceable fittings in the glovebox for an emergency trail repair, that's about all they are good for.
100%
Coming along nicely!
The Rudicon did really good in my opinion.
I do have a question. Do you think The MOORVAIR and Paul's FJ could do the rock climbing that you just did?
I think they could it would be challenging but they could do it
@Unintentional Failure yep he needs a little bit stiffer suspension that was a lot of roll for only 30 MPH
Gosh that Etnies shoes sticker on the hatch takes me back to the early 2000's lol. Keep up the great work and content Rudy!
Sure looks like there isn't enough caster to push against the extra resistance of the hydro cylinder and orbital valve for self return steering.
Spot on !
16:39 Kaulin (I think I finally saw the spelling and did it right) "you're good now...I guess". Then follows with the assesment I had. That was an insane obstacle.
edit: Good job on the rig.Good drive on the obstacle.
Personally I think I'd get some high pressure lines made for it
Those were high pressure lines
@@glenjamindle yes but not crimped fittings for it/;/; i would reccomend steel braided as well which those were not
Hmmm seems odd that NON steel braided hoses would throw sparks while being cut with an abrasive wheel don't ya think ?
@@timpretzsch2609 Hydraulic hoses are, working out from inside, rubber-steel-rubber, if braided they have an extra outer layer of steel and sometimes a plastic casing too
@@90vanman ya fully aware, was a sarcastic response to the guy who said to get steel braided lines and tried to indicate these were not lol
If you noticed, the hose fitting that popped off the hose was only on the hose about 3/4" not the entire depth of the outer sheath, the outer screws on reverse thread, and has to be fully screwed on the entire way before screwing the inner part of the fitting in that expands it outwards to pressure fit the hose between the inner and outer parts. These fittings are perfectly capable of the pressures and function they are being used for here if not put in a high angle bind, and installed on the hose properly.
That slomunb (sp) part worried me. Jeeps have a high center of gravity by nature and no sway bars just add to the problem - SO BE CAREFUL!😁😬
Your Jeep is becoming quite the off road machine. You can be proud of it. Your videos are really turning out good too. Happy for what you are doing. Kudos kiddo!
We had hydro steering on our Oliver tractor. One of my pet peeves, was the steering wheel would never end up in the same position
Andy is so optimistic. 🤣
Love watching you and your build grow. I have had overall good luck with the home made hoses like you used on high pressure hydraulic systems. Occasionally one fitting doesn't hold for one reason or another. I typically use them in temporary situations and have crimped lines built to replace them. Keep up the good work
“there’s a cool rock on the ground” “you didn’t pick it up?” What a guy thing hahaha
Sounds like you need to meet more of the ladies... that's a human thing, not a "guy thing"
@@Trumpisthevillageidiot haha how did I know someone like you would pop up and take this offensively somehow
Congratulations that's quite accomplishment, The best part I think is you had your brothers there to join with you in your accomplishment!!!
Al Gores Rhythm
Very, very cool! The Rudicon is shaping up to be a really nice rig! Thank you for this look into how it performs.
Nice videos Rudy,
That hose blew because the outer had only screwed into the rubber skin of the hose which got soft as it heated up and skinned it's way out. The outer part can come for one or two wired hyd hose and you need the correct one. Then you need to skive the hose (remove the outer skin) so the thread bites into the braid and makes a secure fit.
I agree totally with Caulin: an insane obstacle Rudy and great skills getting through and over it: you must be stoked that the steering is such an improvement
Reusable fittings are fine, we used them on heavy equipment for decades. They do, however have left handed threads in the collar that need to be screwed on till it bottoms out before you insert the center section, which has right handed threads. You can see from how much rubber came off of the hose that it only had about half as much engagement onto the hose as it should've had.
Rudy, you have come a long way in your new venture. I know I say it a lot but it’s true, I am so proud of you. Your brothers are
awesome too. Have fun making memories with your brothers. ❤️🙏🙏👍👍🌟🌟🏆🏆❤️
15:45 Who needs a winch?
Just use some muscle lever
and hope for the best!
The load you put on the pump caused your crummy line to push out of the connector. If you are gonna drive a full hydro system like that on pavement it needs to have high pressure hoses, specifically if your gonna fully lock the steering wheel. Great video!
I would suggest taking all the hoses off your hydro steering go down to a Napa store and have some hoses made she don't die on the freeway somewhere.
I seem to remember you saying that the fluid you are using is expensive, so kudos for not getting pissed at losing a bunch of it.
Awesome video. Keep up the great work. Keep the videos rolling. Glad to see you and your brothers working and having fun together.
Rudycon has come a long way. Great job! The I6 is so underrated but so suitable for off-road.
Did you use reusable AN fittings on the pressure side? While TDI swapping my LJ, I used those to make the pressure side of the p/s system, TDI pump to the Jeep steering box and it lasted a bit, until I blew the line off the fitting. Remade the lines with a crimp on fitting and 15,000 miles later its still working out. Love the videos, keep up the great work!
that is one capable rig. good offroad footage. everyone else is right on about getting crimped lines though. best of luck man!
Looked flippen awesome Rudy!! Can't wait to see you out on the trails with everyone really putting it thru its paces.
Rudy I think that you need to do a little changing on the 1/2 done jeep and change it to the 3/4 done rubicon!!! Just so that others can understand and no that maybe that you are still working on the jeep to getting it closer to it’s full done potential!!!! Lol!! Awesome video buddy and remember keep up all the hard work buddy!!!!
love the mudding aspect ! also
Rudicon 3/4 done
On the steering line that blew off it is possible that you didn't get the outer casing fully seated on the hose and then the inner fitting didn't get the right amount pressure to seat it fully ! I worked with those type fittings and done it a couple times before i figured out my mistake !
I wonder if the high pressure side wasn’t weak then the full lock turn finally overpressured it and made it pop off. Kinda like in a standard hydro-assist power steering, you hear the whine at full lock because the pressure in the pump and lines. Just a thought? Nice seeing your vids and your skill! Thanks for influencing so many!
Thanks for sharing. Nice to see the success is coming together keep up the good work Rudy and will keep her watching your showing that even a poor man can make it happen if you’re dedicated enough and patient.
Cool stuff Rudy. The Rudicon is getting there. Thanks for taking us along.
Great testing and found the failure quickly and easily repaired. Let's see it was the A Team that said "I love it when a plan comes together." Or something like that. Congrats on successful installation!
That awesome, way better then the one I had, nice setup. Mine way considerably less predictable and had to constantly turn to the right, around and around the steering wheel. It was a no going without the engine on. I like this one. Swop out the hose for the higher psi and your golden.
It's great to see your channel a big success Rudy, If we can't make our own mistakes, how do we learn to be successful right!
So I'm kinda a hose nerd a little bit and I had some issues with PSC's new high pressure fittings which are the ones you have, the field servicable ones. They use eaton weatherhead hose which is good stuff but they somewhat kinda recently switched from eaton field servicable fittings to the ones like you have. I normally ordered eaton fittings from them and this last time I got the new style and took measurements and did some comparison after blowing a couple on a friend's jeep then I called psc and talked to them and did some research and found that eaton raised the price of their field servicable fittings which are the ones you can put together with wrenches. But you can order the eaton fittings through NAPA. I'd suggest looking for some of the eaton fittings that would've come with any psc stuff like roughly 1-2 years ago it's easy to know what is what because the eaton fittings say eaton all over the nut. Or go to Napa and order eaton weatherhead field servicable fittings they are worth the money in my opinion and it's worth looking into. Let me know if you need a part number and for which style/size and I can try to get it but my local NAPA knew exactly what I needed.
Also the specs for that hose say to only use the eaton fittings.
Another reason I prefer the eaton hose and eaton fittings over something like earls or aeroquip is they have a larger ID so I still spend the extra money on the eaton fittings. They are like 55 bucks each from NAPA. I've always found that it's a good idea to use the same manufacturers hose and fittings together I've made lots of hoses over the years.
I like that your example of full hydro steering on heavy equipment was "skid loader". Y'know, the piece of equipment defined by it's lack of actual steering.
Anyways, those look like the thread-on style of AN fittings (or possibly JIC). Those are typically only rated for 450psi. Crimped fittings can handle 1500psi, and steel JIC fittings can handle several thousand.
I had snapped my rear axle on a Toyota 4 Runner due to diff lock still on on tarmac doing a burnout, so to get where I was going (ironical my mechanic) I engaged front 4wd on the road. The very first corner the power steering crapped out due to the 33" tyres and 4wd being engage. Drove the next 20 minutes without power steering. Good times.
Great video Rudy. Great to see you still at it.
Good job Rudy, i too, am looking at Hydro Assist for my '02 Excursion. The steering is Way Too Stiff for me, have to Manhandle it with Two Hands at all times. ☹
the comparison between hydro brakes and hydro steering is a really good one. An eye opener.
Content and editing keeps improving.
The problem with the full hydro steering over regular hydraulic assist is that when you lose fluid you lose steering, with hydraulic assist you still have steering if you can force the wheel to turn, which works fine at speed.
Yes, with brakes you lose braking when you lose fluid, but there are other ways to stop a vehicle (parking brake, downshifting...)
If your steering isn't returning I'd bet that it's alignment if you have the centeriing valve assembly.
Well done Rudy! Headed in the right direction!
I learned that if you steer it to lock and put force on it non crimped hoses they can’t handle the amount of pressure that the pump is trying to apply to the ram to push past it’s stoping point I have seen people blow crimped lines doing it to lol so when you did a u turn you maxed out the steering angle and it probably just burst a hose good stuff tho love the videos love seeing the progression of the rudicon
Excellent work on the steering !
Your research paid off.
I think you need to change the fraction on the car to 3/4 done now.
A huh! The fuel issue seems to run in the family! Great video! Loved those rocks, and your Rudycon did just fine!
Keep them coming Rudy! We are fans of your videos and look forward to them. What fun to watch as you progress in your shop!
I dig this channel. I love Rudy's can do attitude and when he asks Andy for his thoughts, they are just slightly more sunshine than Eior (spelling? ) from Winnie the pooh.
Full hydro has no fail-safe solid connection. You will lose steering if one of the lines to the cylinder/ram blow. Chances of that are slim unless they get snagged on something while you are off road.
The fun of blowing a high pressure line in steering system. When I heard your planned test I figgued the line would have a failure, I had that happen on trail 5 back when Tellico was open for off-roading. BTW: the Badlands Off-road Jack is great I've used mine quite a bit in less than a month of having it, best floor jack I've had.
Another great video Rudy you are so talented. Miss seeing Jenelle in your videos.