It makes me extremely happy that the people in the comments aren’t immediately buying into this stuff. Thank god we’ve learned to be more critical and considerate of things
@@caleb_artzs2533 yeah like the whole thing wren was saying doesn’t really make that much sense, he was just trying to justify nfts but it’s not practical at all. Bitcoin is way worse for the environment but at least there is value of it for countries that have had there currency inflate through the roof. Nfts are just art so there isn’t that much practicality behind it for wasting and consuming that much power
Hell yeah. Just wanna make note that this doesn't mean harassing artists who've made money from it. Just don't harass people, there are better ways to approach it.
Beeple already has the following and reputation to protect him. It's small artists who are up in arms since their art is straight up stolen to the point they can't even share their art publicly anymore.
As stated in the video, a NFT that wasn't signed by the original artist is useless. The whole point of NFT is bragging rights that you bought a piece from a particular artist. I wouldn't want an NFT sold by some rando who had no connection to the artist at all. You've only provided an example of buyers getting scammed. The artist is still OK. They can create NFTs whenever they get the money to do so and start selling them legit.
According to Dan Olson, Folding Ideas, video on NFT, Beeple has vested interests with the sale. The person who won the auction, a startup owner, also own a crypto coin scheme, which Beeple also own 2% of the whole economy. Which value jumped from 36c to 23$. So when he was in this video, he wasn't espousing NFTs for artist (which was all BS), he was a marketer shilling for his own vested interests.
I swear, this video is the reason RUclips hid the dislike ratio. What complete fucking nonsense is spouted in this video. I hope Corridor come out and make a follow-up video walking back their statements here.
And how it's 73% powered by reneweables, making it one of the most reneweables-centric sectors in the world. Isn't a province in China reportedly fuelling mining 95% by hydroelectricity?
@@Dougwun Those statistics haven't been proven, it seems they are crypto propaganda. Also, the heat generated from the mining alone should be a point of concern.
Also, "it takes a little bit of actual money" what an hypocrite! People are losing money, it can go up to $200 or more for a single jpg. Say the truth Beeple-liar!
@@spicyf Ah, you're right , I just checked my very crpto propaganda sources and I cited incorrectly. My source (Cambridge University's 3rd Global Cryptoasset Benchmarking Study) stated that it was 76% of hashers use reneweables as part of their energy mix. However, 39% of the hasher's total energy consumption comes from reneweables (page 26). I got my per cent who used renewables confused with total attributable to renewables which overall sits at 39% based on their findings. Do you have the stats on heat and energy consumption for the global visa market so we can compare?
You can only make money if you are already famous, or you have a lot of followers. For the rest, it's a total BS Ponzi scheme! Congrats Corridor: you guys are just becoming the worst by supporting this scam.
Not super related to the video but it makes me real happy to see that the embroidery I made for them like two years ago is still on the wall despite the changes in the studio.
NFTs are a really cool concept, but it’s still wack that people are tokenizing other artists pieces of work and stuff on Twitter randomly. At least with smaller artists that don’t have that strong identity.
This, absolutely this. This is my BIGGEST issue with NFTs. I also commission a lot of art and am 100% not okay with some random asshole stealing art from the artist I commissioned and coincidentally stealing the art I own.
Yeah, this doesn't really prove ownership of anything... as he said, anyone can put something up and all they have to do is pay a bit of money. If someone "posts" someone elses art and that artist goes to do it, then the actual artist gets screwed? I don't get it...
Just here to remind people more then a year later and they have yet to apologize for trying to legitimize this scam system they themselves took part in.
The biggest issue I have with Beeple's art being sold specifically was that the people bidding (the final bidders specifically) were just crypto bro's who own NFT/crypto platforms themselves. They were literally buying ad space on news headlines for their platforms, their own coins/tokens and NFTs in general. It's pretty shitty IMO, but kinda part of the whole scene. Just blowing hot air up each others orifices.
And Beeple apparently owns 2% of the investment fund which bought his art. The whole thing is a giant circle-jerk house of cards pyramid scheme where a few already rich people will make huge amounts of profit while everyone else gets screwed.
@Zwenk Wiel No, youre thinking of the "fine art" market, which is what the NFT/cryptoart market is mirroring but in a digital space. Its were you see pieces of art sell for ridiculous prices just so that it can be further speculated on, thereby increasing the price and making headlines in the news.
I really don't get this NFT thing bc at the end of the day YOU DON'T OWN SHIT! ONLY A CERTIFICATE.....NOTHING PHYSICAL. Not even the license.....wtf......it's just scams you into crypto shit
@Zwenk Wiel If people REALLY wanted to support online artists, theres many methods of direct support like patreon, donations, commissions, prints, merch, etc. The NFT market if anything creates opportunities for people who are not the original artist to profit said original artists work.
"Anyone can mint anything" And thats a huge part of the problem. Art theft for tokenization is already a huge problem for artists, and its fucking disgusting.
My bushit meter broke the day I found out there's bots that look for keywords like "omg I wish they had a shirt with this" and then it steals the artwork and insta-places an order for a small quantity of bootlegged shirts and starts spamming the person and anyone in the comments with the link to it 😬
@@maeton-gaming Yeah, I remember when there was a campaign to use that phrase against the bot by making them plagiarize Disney IPs, with such info written on the image. NFTs are the Bitcoin version of T-Shirts.
Beeple: "You can't just tokenize other artists work..." Me: "I'm... I'm pretty sure this is EXACTLY the problem with NFT's right now and countless artist are having their works stolen then being unable to reclaim ownership of their art while thieves make bank on stolen goods... He means famous artists, right? Yeah he means famous artist..."
nah, he 100% said that you can mint a token for someones art but that it would be stupid to sell/buy because an nft is worthless without the actual artists minting. like some random dude on the street selling you a signed tom hanks poster with 0 proof of authenticity, completly worthless because it all hinges on the artist signing himself. if the seller cannot prove the nft is from the creator then it is completly worthless. the artist can also 100% sell an nft for an art pice no matter how many people already did
Just go to the marketplace,show that you are the original artist,and sell your art with the token. The art bought before will devalue while your art will increase in value. GG EZ
Dude it's new, like anything new there will be moderation down the line. RUclips was thes and way, people used to steal content from tv shows and cartoons and stuff, not to mention people to this day steal others art on twitter to create a name from themselves as well. Sadly exploration is everywhere and I promise u this will be fixed int he future. It just blew up so fast and investors and people who don't have much money are getting greedy.
It's funny how Beeple says things like "you own it" just to later clarify that you certainly don't own anything instead of a stupid token. Very classy.
@@sachinsurya007 honestly, I have no idea, with digital pieces you can definitely get a license that allows for reselling copies of that artwork or the artwork itself. But that's not even the point, misinformation is the point - people don't know what they're paying for, artist don't really understand what they're selling, it's just another speculative bubble, nothing else and it has very little to do with the artwork itself.
I really think every artist with digital art......if not all 3D artist are gettin HYPED UP AND ALL WET bc now they can MAYBE get some $$$$. But the consumer gets SHIT except a fuckin certificate token. And EVERYBODY are in crypto scam as a result.
@@123stojakovic There are some artists that sends physical stuff, beeple is one of them, I love the digital portrait you get with his special nft packages
@@cruzefx3652 i'm digging beeple's tangible items here, they can't be just copied and pasted and I can see why they tickle the fancy of people into collecting things. but the others who are paying money just for a hash value (not even any commercial rights) ... i don't get it.
@@cruzefx3652 yes....SOME artists...I wished it would be ALL....then maybe I would understand it.....but they pay what....100/200bucks while people are stupid enuff to buy shit for 10k? I don't get it....
This whole thing is just the next step of realizing value is arbitrary and you can just assign it to whatever. I’m not trying to sound like the edgy “everything is just a social concept” kid, but this is basically just the fine art market with all its problems, but at the speed and scale of the internet
Would be interesting to study the link between Beeple and his buyer. It's very classic in the NFT space to use wash trading and money recirculation in general for promotion. For instance, the buyer of Beeple's record NFT is Vignesh Sundaresan of Singapore who's not completely isolated from Beeple business-wise. It's probably a sort of arrangement between friends for a bigger scam down the line. I think Corridor should warn more about the scam aspect of NFTs rather than present it like an artistic endeavor. And not use a huge promoter to explain all aspects of it, even if Beeple is quite honest NFTs transfer no copyright, no ownership, no artwork and no value :s
The weirdest thing about nft is that is takes the the existing art market as somehow rational and valid. Most of the art trade just allows rich people to transfer money easily. NFTs gonna go the same way once the rush is over.
I hate hate hate that people are trying to promote NFTs as a means for digital artists to monetize their work, because the last thing artists should want is to emulate the fine art market. If you want to support your favourite artists you can already buy their work and comissions without the additional bullshit and significant environmental impact and everything else that comes with NFTs.
@@andrevvv why? are art valued in years? well I start doing art since 9 I must valued for at least billions. the truth is best thing he can do is to just fucking lay low.
I really don't get this NFT thing bc at the end of the day YOU DON'T OWN SHIT! ONLY A CERTIFICATE.....NOTHING PHYSICAL. Not even the license.....wtf......it's just scams you into crypto shit
Ikr noone think about quantum computing? What happens to all the value tied to these classical cryptography thingies in a couple of years? I mean when the tokens become a little bit fungible
@@daniel7587 i think because quantum computing will never be mainstream like modern computer because it needs special cooling and only big corpo can afford it. But i mean anything could happen
@@pineapplepie4929 It sure as hell doesn't use 263,538 kWh of energy and emit 163,486 Kg of CO2 just so you can have this meaningless ownership of a photo you could obtain easily. I'd rather pay thousands for a physical photo that was signed by the artist than this.
Some artists have spoken against NFTs because of the huge environmental impact of blockchain transactions. One of them calculated that the amount of power used for a single transaction was around the same as two years of his studio. I'm glad that the issue was at least discussed in the video and look forward to the one dedicated to this topic.
So what? "Two years of his studio" is meaningless. It's probably equal to 10 years of vacuuming or 30 years of toasting bread. You can make any unit conversion and make it look worse than it is. You need perspective to actually understand the impact. And in terms of absolute numbers the impact of NFT's are negligible.
You people are brainwashed idiots how much storage do you think something like youtube takes its not even a comparison wanna go save the entivroemnt from Servers go shut down youtube
Next video should be on the carbon footprint of a single NFT. Apparently the computation power to sell one is the same as a persons power usage for 40+ plus years on the low end. I’d love to see Wren do a Eco analysis video explaining how much power is used in the sale of a NFT.
People are blowing the environmental impact out of proportion. Those transactions would still be happening even if crypto art hadn't popped up in the last year (not saying that's good). The main issue imo is that these tokens are essentially just certificates that link to these private minting websites databases. If their servers shut down for whatever reason (they take the money and run, go out of business, etc.) your token is worthless. Yes the proof you own the token is on the blockchain, but the token is literally just a JSON file pointing to their database. It's 100% a scam from these minting websites.
@@GO-tq6hs why don’t we let Wren do legit research and prove the current system is a massive energy suck and how possibly a new system would allow these transactions at a much lower cost to the environment. Good old science always excels over opinion. Selling art for charity that earns $100,000 dollars at the cost of a larger amount for energy consumption doesn’t sound charitable to the earth. I would love more factual information on this subject.
I understand that you are talking to a person who has personally benefited from this and who you are friends with, but this whole video seem heavily focused on the positives. I know that you are making a follow up to this and I believe that you aren’t trying to do anything malicious in secretly promoting this, but it just felt like most of the questions were basically “hey can you tell us why this is so great?” With only occasionally mentions of everything else that goes into it
My biggest question is about the counterfeit minting of other artist's work. It's already blowing up into a huge problem where these bot accounts just scoop up a bunch of digital art from wherever they can get it & then these scammers are minting art they don't even own the rights to leaving the original artists with fuck all.
It's not a huge problem. Why would it be? It's just piracy, it doesn't affect the artist in any meaningful way. The artists aren't deprived of anything in the process.
@@peacemaster8117 if they try to mint the work and sell it they're deprived of the money they would have gotten. And if they didn't want to sell the work, it's now being sold against their will.
@@peacemaster8117 Cool, lemme just deny you an opportunity to make $10K from a day's worth of your work & then you tell me afterward how you feel about that.
@@benstanfill363 No, it isn't, because the work isn't being sold. I dunno how you guys still don't understand this since Beeple explained it so simply in the video.
The $69 million he got from selling it to his crypto-bro friend who created a cryptocurrency Beeple has a significant stake in. practically self-dealing.
@@Boeing_hitsquad Does the sale price have any impact on the amount of energy that is being used? I was under the assumption that something selling for $69m has no more impact than something selling for $100. Is that wrong?
This is interesting and all, but all I can think about is how the combination of selling artwork with blockchain tech is a money launderers dream. Completely subjective value, and very difficult to de-anonymize if the buyer is careful. I feel like this may be its REAL use-case.
Did you end up seeing that video where he was teamed up with Peter? If you get through that video without wanting to curbstomp Beeple, I'd be impressed.
The way some digital artists are trying to adopt the fine art market wayd of giving value to art is reminding me of how games are trying to copy hollywood, how cg anime tried to copy anime instead of being their own thing(which btw is finally changing in recent years), or even something way more lame: how some vegans give up on meat but instead of making vegan dishes, they just create fake meat. Just because you're not among "the big, widely accepted by everyone guys" doesn't mean you are worthless... Just because digital art doesn't work like fine arts, doesn't make it any less worthy of being considered art.
As an artist, not only am I concerned about how this form of market can be taken advantage of by art thieves, but I'm also concerned because there's been information saying that the machines used to make NFT work are more detrimental to the environment than the average car. I get that learning about new forms of technology can exciting but from what I've been hearing and seeing, this is more worrying to me than anything.
@Joey That's wildly inaccurate. You require tremendous amounts of processing power to generate an NFT from the algorithm, and you require multiple servers to accomplish it. That means large amounts of energy, and much like bitcoin, entire server farms are used to that purpose, which expend so much energy as a whole that they do have a discernible impact on the environment.
@Joey 1) The financial system serves billions of people. NFTs serve only a few individuals. When the energy expenditure by a few is comparable to entire nations, it's a problem. 2) What matters is single operations. A transaction of any kind is instant and doesn't need anything other than the power to keep the computer and the internet on. The generation of a single NFT requires magnitudes more power because it needs to process the blockchain algorithm and that takes a lot of power from multiple computers running at maximum power. And again all of that power serves a single individual for a single NFT.
@Joey Wouldn't say false. Blockchain benefits the few, usually already well to do individuals requiring huge amounts of energy does make its mark. Sure it's only a fraction now, but estimates evaluate this in terms of country-consuming power while this technology is still pretty much in It's infancy. The environmental impact is yet to be determined, but of course it seems fitting that the poor folks in poor countries with little chance of ever benefitting from this are the ones affected the worse by climate change. There is of course other ways to negate the environmental impact, swtiching from proof-of-work to proof-of-stake models. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
"You can prove that you own a piece of art" Nope. You don't own the art, at all. You don't own its existence, or its copyright, or the right to reproduce it. You only own a spot in a database that proves that you once paid money related to it, that's it. You own bragging rights, nothing more.
yeah, it's the digital version of owning a signed copy of a great author's book, you don't own the story, or copyright, or right to reproduce. you just own some paper with a signature from the author, you own bragging rights nothing more.
@@centiantcommander4342 i don't think it is even the fact that it proves it is from the artist, but the just having something physical to show. that would be the real value that he added. i doubt those images would be sold for half that value if wasn't for those pretty boxes and tablets.
NFTs is basically paying to get your name on a list. It has absolutely nothing to do with "ownership" of a piece. You don't get the copyright or any other rights to the actual artwork; you just get your name put in a digital registry, associated with that piece of art. A digital registry that's really, really, really bad for the environment. I'm glad for the artists that have found a way to make a living from their art. I'd rather live in a society with some form of UBI, so anyone who wanted to just make art and not starve to death could do so. But we're not there yet. So I'm happy for the artists that manage to get this to work for them. But I don't like the systems or ideas or technologies - it having some good effects doesn't mean it's an overall good thing.
As someone who's against UBI because it doesn't scale properly and can very easily cause a collapse of economics... I agree with you completely on this NFT stuff. It's not passing the smell test so to speak and from what I've researched it is not a good thing at all.
Exactly! Wanna support an artist? Commission them! Join a Patreon! Fund & commission their projects. Don't pay rich fucks out to create false scarcities.
@@xombiekat13 Patreon is fine, but they're not usually a very profitable or long term way to make money. While I'm not all for NFTs myself, I don't blame artists (or "techbros") for wanting to get in on it.
My biggest problem with this whole thing is there is no actual ownership. What you buy is really nothing. Physical art, you get the piece the artist touched at least (whether that has value is still up to the free market), but with NFT’s you get nothing. It’s baffling people would spend thousands and millions on absolutely nothing.
@@Kyle_Man I guess you get pretty much the same thing as you do with regular bitcoins: something you can sell. The value lies 100% in the idea of it having value. Which, I guess, technically is how money works (though there are more systems in place to protect the value of actual money). NFTs feel like the sort of thing that only works if you see art as being an investment first and foremost, and only care about it as such. Personally, I don't like cryptocurrencies overall, but I guess for people who do, NFTs make more sense.
Exactly that's why I don't even get the point of NFTs... if they don't prevent someone from screenshotting and then stealing work... what even is the point? In fact, what even *is* an nft? I thought they were pixelated pieces of art that only get revealed to the bidder *after* buying it... but turns out their not always covered by being pixelated. So wtf even is an nft lmfao?
if you tokenized your art immediately after finishing it by uploading to the blockchain then you would never have to worry about someone else claiming they were the creator...i don't really see NFTs as lifechanging but i'm not a collector...it's a big deal for collectors, and i would think an even bigger deal for creators as they can now protect their creations.
To be honest I think I'm the only one who actually doesn't care and would prefer just to have NODE back. Enjoyed that a lot more than Corridor digital..
*NFTs are a way for influencer artists to get even richer at the expense of the environment and smaller artists' work being stolen and tokenized. WIN-WIN, amirite?*
Of course the guy who made 70M$ out of it and his friends are gonna say how great it is. CC was going downhill in the past few years, but now they're going full sellout. Glossing over the worst issues before announcing making their own NFTs.
@@C63 That's not the only thing i'm basing this on. It's more like the final blow. I mean come on, they posted only 2-3 videos on their main channel in the past 6 months, and have focused more and more on their vlogs where they invite celebrities. Their videos now contain 2-4 calls to action each. Sponsorship segment, call to check out their social medias, call to check the invitee's social medias, call to write a comment for what they should do next (or drive engagement metrics up), calls to buy merch... The few actual short films they make anymore are engineered to go viral instead of being their own thing. Go compare their Bosstown Dynamics stuff with what they used to do like Brush with Death, or Clock Blockers etc. Their last video was disappointing imo, and felt like they did it more for the Epic megagrant than to make a good video.
I fully agree that you should not chastise or haunt artists for minting NFTs or being part of the blockchain, at the same time I think that participating in a system is also agreeing to take part of the responsibility of its downsides. If you are an artist who mints NFTs you are part of the environmental impact it causes, just like if you take a plane trip you are part of the environmental impact the plane causes. You can't swear yourself free under the idea that the plane would have left with or without you, so your impact doesn't count. That's just a self justification for not wanting to take responsibility. That being said, there are new protocols and ways which will make the blockchain a lot more environmentally friendly in the works. If you are concerned with the environmental impact I would wait a bit before jumping on the bandwagon. In the coming 6-12 months we are going to see quite a lot of change in this area. Especially so as more blockchains move over to a POS model rather than POW model.
But NFTs are only really valuable since they are an unregulated market with wild west potential on profit. Wait 6 months and it'll either get slapped on the hand by governments/die down on its own. At the very least that's what I hope because there's no excuse to dump stupid amounts of CO2 for a digital certificate of "ownership". Next I'll start setting a box of kittens on fire every time I do a commission. It's not a necessery evil of the system you could do this stupid NFT stuff without the blockchain, stop defending it
I don't know how he could shrink with this. Now he not only has that incredible story about his daily work, he also is that guy who made obscene amounts of money from a new technology. A technology which at least I believe can develop as a standard.
Was really hoping this video would explain what was going on with Twitter and all my favorite artists locking their Twitter accounts from all their art being tokenized without their permission.
Sadly the Corridor seems fell prey to the NFT lies, so you probably won't hear any negative stuff about it here. Who cares about the negative aspects when you can make some sweet $$$, amirite?
@@DarthBiomech Either that, or you're buying into a fear-mongering meme and the Corridor lads were actually smart enough to do their research and understand both sides of the argument before moving forwards.
@@peacemaster8117 But... they didn't. They glossed over anything that i think are serious issues. Art theft should be talked about, but it's a conversation they don't want to have.
@@DarrenNoFun How is art theft a serious issue? People bootleg content on RUclips all the time but we don't use that as an argument against letting people upload RUclips videos.
not a good look for CC to be this uncritical of what their friend, one of the very few people who're heavily profiting from the system, is saying about NFT while not bringing up any of the many valid points about how this system is very much hurting artists and the environment
@@MrSamdabeast What he says about "the problem is the way the blockchain is power hungy" is nonsensical. The whole point of cripto and the reason they have *any* value is that its value is directly correlated to the compute-intensive work that goes into creating them and that makes economically impractical/impossible brute force the cryptography and effectivly "double" one unit. Therefore I don't think the video will really address anything
the environment argument is fucking ridiculous. GPU’s minting or mining NFT’s/ether and other forms of crypto has such a minuscule footprint compared to all of the other carbon producing things us humans do on a daily basis. I like many other people think it’s important to be environmentally conscious but part of me thinks that these blogs just want to shit on the technology for the sake of having a headline. I do agree the blockchain needs to go from proof of work to proof of stake, there is absolutely no doubt about that but I just think everything regarding this environmental issue was a bit overblown. I do however agree that this can be potentially harmful for the artist community and that is a major concern of mine
@@Mac0SXTutorials101 Currently bitcoin mining uses more power than microsoft, google, facebook and amazon's data centers combined. And for what? To fuel a speculative bubble that has no stability and no actual value. The tech is interesting, but how its implemented (its massive level of inefficiency, thats what gives is 'value') and what it costs environmentally is utterly obscene. And thats just bitcoin. More power then the whole of the Netherlands and its 17 million citizens. Its fucking obscene.
This is going to give crypto art so much visibility I’m so mad. Like I’m glad for Beeple getting paid for literal years of work but god NFTs grind my gears just as a concept.
1) because of the amount of power it takes for servers to produce crypto currency, it is harmful to our environment. Something that is already at a tipping point, this will add another source of needless pollution thanks to Capitalism. 2) its a pyramid scheme. you have to buy crypto currency to participate. its a scam.
I have that all the time. I still don't know jack shit about bitcoin, how blockchain works and this is right in that alley. I really try to understand but it's the same as a person speaking Russian and Portuguese at the same time to me: it doesn't make any sense to me
@@royroos8036 Yeah, and WHY!? Like, I understand paying for a signed picture but this and bitcoin is just nonsense to me. And how does it cost so much energy and emit greenhouse gases? Then there's mining? HOW DO YOU MINE DIGITAL CURRENCIES!? Do they play Minecraft or something?
I can't wait to see the video about the impact NFT have over the environment. I'm against bullying artists that are doing crypto art, but I feel like people should understand the impact is REAL.
@@TheSonicShoe That the dumbest thing I've read in this thread. Damage is not based on relative numbers but absolute. If one thing is harmful at 100 units then it can be negligible at 10. This the exact reasoning behind vaccines, lmao. Or just consider the following: would you rather jump from a 100 meter tall building once or a hundred times from a one meter ledge? The latter isn't harmful at all.
@@sean3000 Can they though? All I've seen is a massive influx of stolen art. The only people really benefiting from NFTs were already well established. There really isn't a saving grace to them.
The closest thing that reminds me of this is limited edition concert posters. I don't own the copyright to them, but I own a genuine print that is numbered. I don't think of it as an investment, but they could be worth something. Someone could take a picture of them or make a fake one, but I know I have a real one. I could trade and sell them if I wanted to, but what I really get out of it is the memory and experience and a piece of art that shows people a little bit about what I'm into.
Art theft is inevitable, carbon cost is negligible, and most people lose money in ALL endeavors. Most businesses fail, most day traders make less than minimum wage. None of these are valid arguments against NFTs, and the last one is only an argument for artists being less stupid.
@@Methbilly anyone can claim your art as their own. That's why people end up taking down their art so it doesn't get stolen, most of the instances appear on twitter when people use a certain text which sends the art link to a bot which then converts it for them. You shouldn't go insulting people online without doing your own research and generally understanding that there are people who do this for their own gain ONLY. I couldn't give less of a damn about NFTs cause they're just a scam and nothing else which will die out in 2 years once this is over. And you bet people will take advantage of it now that they've been advertised to just how much money can get out of it even though it's not even that simple when Beeple has been continiously doing it for 13 years straight which is about 4745 art pieces. (only if you're a famous artist as well course cause if you're not then too bad.) a single (ETH) transaction is estimated to have a footprint on average of around 35 kWh, equivalent to an EU resident’s electric power consumption for 4 days. anyone with a powerful enough computer can do this and steal someone else's work in the meantime as well The links are so goddamn complex that you need shit ton of power for it which is generally, surprise not a good thing. Why do you think so many people are against NFTs, do you geniuenly think we wouldn't encourage it if it wasn't a scam
@@Methbilly hackers can also easily steal your NFTs so good luck with that, if you have your credit card info on your account as well then that's even better news! If only people cared so much about the future generations as much as their precious "Non Fungible Tokens"
@@zukazuu Hackers stealing your NFTs should be as difficult as robbers breaking into a house and taking your irl paintings. I think NFTs are a new thing, so maybe there still isn't that much NFT security, rules for minting and manpower to ensure authenticity, but making it as reliable as possible should be the goal. I don't see any reason it shouldn't be trusted as much as real, tangible artwork when the NFT system reaches maturity.
There's to strong a disconnect from reality and someone like Beeple. He said "someone can copy your work through a screenshot and say it's theirs but someone comes along and says 'no it's ____'s ." It's not the case for an artist starting out without a backing of any type. If I posted something really good without a known name behind it and someone else copied it, no one would know who to stand up for who. That's why it's not a realistic concept.
The part of his explanation that should give everyone pause is "Everyone agrees". He said it multiple times while trying to explain the validity and value of NFTs. What happens when someone doesn't? What happens when they duplicate this on another platform? "Yeah, your NTF of that art is cool, but I've got the XPZ version." or something ridiculous like that.
It’s pretty rough but in the grand scheme of things all cryptocurrency is 2% of the world’s energy, with less than a hundredth of that being NFTs. We need a better system but honestly the cleaner the production of energy the less of a problem this becomes, since computers don’t exactly have emissions besides heat. It’s environmental impact is overblown compared to the 70% of emissions created by corporations that could be drastically reduced with just a simple carbon tax. That’s what people should be pushing for.
NFTs are a new version of the "buy a star" scam. You're buying an entry in a database, nothing else. Btw, Beeple has stakes in a NFT company. Whatever he's telling, he's probably lying.
He's not lying, but, this was probably planned from the beginning as some kind of PR stunt from that NFT company. The guy who bought his everydays for $69 million owns the largest shares.
You are buying the rights to something on a specific blockchain. Thus you are able to mathematically prove that you own that thing. When you "buy a star" you do not own it. Furthermore, what do NFT companies have to do with this? They do not control the blockchain in any way. If you want to know if NFTs are legit then read the source code of Ethereum.
@@cow4200 I think @Neo Lix wanted to say that owing an NFT doesn't mean a whole lot, just like buying a far of star you can never get to the whole market is based on selling something without inherent value. An NFT doesn't do anything and you can't use I for anything apart from selling it on.
Yeah, as much as I love following your channel, you guys need to do a follow up on this topic and not be shy about it. Beeple might be your friend but a lot has changed since this video and it needs to be addressed!
Looking forward to Wren’s follow up video. Because this video skips over the basic issues with NFTs. You don’t own the art, you own a code that is tied to a specific local file which means nothing on the internet.
Ive tried getting a more concise answer as to "what exactly is the point of nft's/how do theh work" And ive yet to get a clear answer Generally when something is this convoluted its 100% a scam or fad
You can always say the same thing with other art. With basic paintings, or mediocre “abstract” art. The world is going digital and it’s only going to get more valuable
Bro did you even listen, it's basically almost exactly like bitcoin or cryptocurrency, they just added images to it as the "token". And then you can sell it again when it goes up in value or just keep it
A Metadata file that takes over 2 days worth of a households electricity to create. The Wonderful Wasteful NFT Blockchain. How about people just respect and pay artists fairly? Or maybe Corridor should talk to the other large artists that use the blockchain and have never seen any profit to get a side that’s not glorified by some dude who duped the system by being an early adopter?
Yeahhhh, I'm gonna guess that once Disney realizes your "fair use" digital art of Buzz Lightyear made a hundred thousand dollars, Disney is going have a bit of a problem with that...
Andy Warhol and Roy Lichtenstein did paintings of Mickey Mouse... Jeff Koons made a sculpture of Popeye that sold for 25 million... Fair use is Fair use, you cant back-pedal after the fact.
NFT is a ecological disaster; built on top of a technology that is not prepared for the real world usage, only good for speculating. And on top of everything, the "ownership" registration is a fucking joke of a unstable system. EDIT: also lets not forget all the minting of unothorized art; or just stolen art.
Pretty much everything we do is an ecological disaster. NFTs dont amount for a large part of emissions and really how much worse is it for the environment than an auction for physical collector's items, where a lot of people fly in for the event, physical goods get shipped etc. Sure has its issues for which there is huge incentive to be solved, that doesn't mean it won't be immensely useful in the near future.
@@DimitarStanev NFTs and therefore crytocurrencies are a HUGE ecolgical disaster. Some mining networks consume more energy than WHOLE ass countries... Also most of the energy consumption issues, come from the proof of work test that most blockchains use as a way of validating transactions; but the problem is that there is no real alternative to it. There has been a lot of talk about changing some blockchains to a proof of stake test, that could help energy consumption... But they have been talking about it for YEARS without any real change. This is not an easy optimization issue, or sloppy code, that can be fixed in a few weeks; the fix that this "issues" need is a breakthought in blockchain technology, and that can come the next week or in 50+ years... We dont know That is why is irresponsible to just keep using and upping the demand on this systems, with this kinds of energy consumptions; with the fishfull thinking of "it will get better soon" or "it can be fixed soon!"
@@Jsmarquerie would you also say it is irresponsible to be selling 'physical' artwork, having it printed/made and shipped all around the world? Would you say it is irresponsible to buy powerful gpus and have them render day and night for a couple second animation or a nice image render? At what point do you draw the line?
@@DimitarStanev there line is when you are consuming a country's worth electrical budget just to say that you OWN a piece of digital media. And of course that shipping PHYSICAL GOODS has a large cost on carbon emission, but that is other problem, that is unavoidable when shipping physical things; moving things cost energy. Now, crytoart is not for rendering or transporting data, is just for having a certificate of ownership of a piece of said data, with a astounding energetic cost, for just that. Shipping things has an unavoidable cost, and that is a problem that need fixing; but having networks of miners consuming tons and tons of energy just for a certificate of ownership for a transaction is a solution without a problem; and therefore is avoidable (you can own the right of an image/work if you purchase it via a normal way to the artist, without the need of any kind of cryptocurrencies). If you still feel that I am exagerating about this, please look up energy consumption of the Bitcoin and Ethereum networks; and keep in mind that it's just for a system with no real world use, just speculation
NFT's are terrible as they are now. "Owning" an NFT means nothing at all. In theory, they could be used to register ownership, but the current block chain is not enforced in that way, which means NFT's literally have no meaning at all. Even if you trust the NFT, the NFT itself is the product. They're selling the certificate of authenticity but not the art work itself! Further, the transactions are so energy intensive, that each one uses the same amount of energy as the average American over 4 days. Crypto currencies and NFT's are harmful nonsense that allows people to gamble while driving massive energy use that creates nothing useful. You can't make them more energy efficient without making the encryption less secure or as hardware efficiency improves. And, the harm is real, right now. These artists should take responsibility for contributing to this problem. That we could theoretically make the process more energy efficient is an empty argument until it happens.
That's cause (as far as I remember) most NFTs currently operate on the Ethereum blockchain, which is still proof of work. Migrating towards these new proof of stake chains like Cardano, Polkadot, Cosmos, etc. will definitely reduce the energy impact
If an artist takes part in a system they already know has a damaging effect on the environment, regardless of what the actual source of that damage is within the system, and that system isn't a mandatory part of life under current civilization, then yeah, the artist is kinda part of the problem, Wren. You can talk about being aware of the damage something creates all you want, but if you're actively contributing to that damage at any step, those words don't mean much. This isn't wage slavery under capitalism where you have no choice but to participate, this is something you can abstain from until improvements are made, or make steps towards those improvements yourself. If you use NFTs with the goal of improving it in mind, more power to you, but most people are just doing it to make some money, consequences be damned. If the English alphabet was destroying the world, and you said "It's okay because I only like the letters X, Y, and Z", it's not okay, because you're still upholding a cog that contributes to the operation of the machine.
This is just overcomplicated things. Its just like making machine that does all these movements and mechanisms but that results in nothing useful Its still worth as collective item but still its not worth the functionality
@@IkmelAAA Give the utterly huge amount of good art in existance, it's pretty easy to find cheap art. The city I live in probably has a thousand original paintings sitting in charity shops for 50p. Art's monitary value is normally pretty low.
So NFT’s are a very controversial subject at the moment with a lot of seriously problematic drawbacks. In the interest of perspective and looking at both sides of the debate, would you consider doing a video equally deep diving into the multitude of ways NFTs have been harmful? Corridor has a big platform and if you look at the comments people are really curious about both sides of the situation. I feel that we would love to see the crew really breakdown the situation. PS, Can’t believe it’s been 10 years, seriously huge congrats are in order, it’s been a ride 👊🏻
update 6 months latter : I see small artist on my twitter timeline getting notifications on their artstation account that some of THEIR art has been posted as an NFT by someone else This systeme was dumb from the start but I was hopping that it was at least well built ....... it's not well built. Fuck NFT
"It's not bad for the environment, it just depends on something that's bad for the environment and we're creating a greater demand for that thing." Good on you for giving profits to charity though. Maybe Clint left at the wrong time?
Reality Check - NFTs are based off of speculative hype like a stock. They have almost nothing to do with the quality of the art itself. If you were a well known artist before the cryptobubble started to inflate you might have a chance to make real money. If, however you aren't already well known (never sold many pieces of your art for more than $500 cash), you probably can't be part of this huge bubble before it pops. A handful of investors will make a ton of money, but most will lose - some will lose everything...
That criticism is the same with most art even in a traditional format - there a many cases of art going for millions that isn't anywhere near as quality as others but due to the reputation of the artist it sells.
I question the new dynamic between Artist and Investor with cryptoart. Your "followers" aren't interested in the message of your art but instead in how much hype the artist themselves can generate. Many of your "followers" might not be art lovers or even enjoy your work. They more enjoy how much money your work makes them...The flip side to that is the artist is motivated to make art that will be popular or at least create the most hype for their audience, rather then art that should be ever evolving personal expressions.
5:05 Wren, we're mad at all crypto and the environmental drawbacks of it, NFT is just what's focused on by the mainstream. We're mad at the artists as well for the same reason people tend to dislike all other crypto people. They're taking profits over the environment. The issues already exists, and throwing NFT into the mainstream just makes it worse. You seem like you're trying to argue that NFT isn't the issue, but the way you word it literally admits that the entire system is the issue, which would include NFT. Getting angry at the artists is justified, because we're getting mad at them for the exact same reason people can get mad at mining in general.
I absolutely LOVE digital art... and I can't help but worry that every piece of art that comes out now is just going to be an attempt at NFTs, no longer genuine energy put behind the art. And I can't explain how heart breaking that is
@@Leukick Well, a good NFT is a piece everyone would want right? Doesn't really differ from painters who want their pieces to be displayed and bought by everyone... The same motivation to create something catching is there.
I love that everybody in these comments is much more critical and critically thinking of NFTs than other videos that explain it. Makes me proud of Corridor Crew subscribers.
Even if NFT art _on its own_ maybe doesn't have a significant _additional_ environmental impact (which is what Wren said), then it still helps _validate and keep in place_ the greater system that is known to have an IMMENSE environmental impact!
This was pretty much exactly what I said to myself when I got to that part. By making another way to profit off crypto you're just making more people want to jump onto the crypto bandwagon and the people already invested in mining crypto invest even more machines into the operations and it ends up a net negative.
Only semi related, but many people don't get that the value of crypto "currencies" is pretty directly coupled with energy consumption. The value goes up, more people start mining, more energy is consumed. Proof of work at its worst.
I am mining ethereum (blockchain on which NFTs are based on) and I know that it uses a lot of energy. But ethereum is actually transitioning from proof of work mining to proof of stake in about 2 years if all goes according to developers's plan. Which means that staking nodes will replace graphics cards and thus lower energy consumption. Pos nodes validate transactions based on the amount of ether that is staked and for someone to alter the past blocks they would need to own more then half of all existing ether which is practically imposible. You know what also uses a lot of energy? Internet, cloud storage datacenters, servers, 5g network and many more services that we use everyday. Nobody is complaining about arguably useless pornsites effectively causing people to use electricity just so they can fap. Just an example.
I just add that what he says about "the problem is the way the blockchain is power hungy" is nonsensical. The whole point of cripto and the reason they have *any* value is that its value is directly correlated the compute-intensive work that goes into creating them and that makes economically impractical/impossible brute force the cryptography and effectivly "double" one unit
You could literally just sell one of the tiny monitors with a micro SD card with the original file saved on it attached on the back and sell it at the cost of physical materials plus whatever. But instead we'll use imaginary money in an environmentally destructive process to spend inflated amounts on ephemeral, intangible "objects" that in the end we don't actually own.
If you put an encrypted signature on that hard drive that has a chain of certificates available online you have a NFT. So you can actually nft slightly physical objects. Is the internet not real? Is money real? Stock shares real? Are human rights real? Imagination does have impact on physical. But eh. Youll rant. The world will go its way and you can rant at it. But blockchain will continue to run at the core of many things. You can yell poorly comprehended rants or actually try to understand it. Not sayin the tech is good or bad but your rant betrays a poor comprehension of it.
@@chemicalhap money has no intrinsic value (and isn't even upheld by a "gold standard" any more), the stock market is a scam, and many governments the world over do not in fact think human rights are a real thing. Liberties and rights at least can be quantified and measured through their tangible impact on quality of living, and physical health, i.e. whether or not your stomach is full, so while abstract, there is at least a basis in objective measurable reality there. NFTs, currency, and the stock market are literally just a consensual mass hallucination. they exist only in so far as the majority choose to believe they exist. The exchange of goods and services can still take place in the absence of these "things."
@@chemicalhap Except this is supposed to be like a DRM, but not legally able to be enforced. So really you only "own" what you buy as long as everyone else agrees that you "own" it (and even then not in a legal sense). If the original systems that give/manage tokens to people goes down, there is literally nothing saying you own anything anymore. Questioning if human rights is real does not further your point in any regard and is just padding. The point is there are huge implications for NFTs that people are already starting to realize and regret. You can't legally enforce them, yet you can use them to "prove" you own art that is often time stolen from the real artist by a bot and placed on a website. Kinda funny how all these people wanna "own" digtital tokens of shit that was stolen in the first place. Just another scam/bubble that's waiting to burst.
What I'm understanding is that NFT's have value only because people think they can make money by selling them. Person A buys it because they think they can make a profit by selling it to person B later. Person B only buys it because they think they can sell it to C for more. Same thing for Person C. Nobody at any point buys it because they want to keep it forever. So it doesn't matter if the buyer owns the rights to the image or anything like that. It's pretty much a formality that the token is associated with a piece of art, in practicality that piece of information doesn't even matter. The owner only bought the token to sell it, and the token is only valuable because people are looking at it and saying "I think I can profit off that." So don't even bother wondering "why is this token valuable if the art is digital and can be copied anyway?" The answer is that the art doesn't matter. Nobody who is buying and selling the token actually wants the art, they just want the money that comes with the fact the token is officially associated with the art.
"NFTS & artists aren't the problem, the way blockchain works is" Cmon.. Knowingly taking part and contributing to a problematic business makes you part of the problem.
@@7fxcyndershade of course, doing all of those things makes us part of a problem. It doesn’t justify NFTs just because people other people cause harm as well. What we should try to do is cause the least amount of harm possible. If we can do without something we should try to do that. Even little things like if we can cycle to work instead of driving.
@@josephn1000 yeah except participating in the only system that exists that’s conducive to your passion isn’t the problem, the way the system is arranged is. You’re asserting partaking is a problem without any explanation besides “c’mon”. What’s your explanation?
@@josephn1000 also cycling to work, even if you spent your life avoiding cars, does less than what a second of the oil companies expel. The problem isn’t the individual, it’s the system being upheld by multiples. The multiple people holding the levers. This isn’t to say NFTs are good or bad, I have no opinion on them, it’s to say your argument against a specific point they raised is bad.
It makes me extremely happy that the people in the comments aren’t immediately buying into this stuff. Thank god we’ve learned to be more critical and considerate of things
oh please /// just STFU
there is more issue than NTFs.. NTFs ain\t even huge o a deal.
@@Userdoesnotexit people can care about more issues than one
@@Userdoesnotexit Honestly dude NFT's would be good if the source of energy of the miners was better
@@caleb_artzs2533 yeah like the whole thing wren was saying doesn’t really make that much sense, he was just trying to justify nfts but it’s not practical at all. Bitcoin is way worse for the environment but at least there is value of it for countries that have had there currency inflate through the roof. Nfts are just art so there isn’t that much practicality behind it for wasting and consuming that much power
Hell yeah. Just wanna make note that this doesn't mean harassing artists who've made money from it. Just don't harass people, there are better ways to approach it.
Beeple already has the following and reputation to protect him. It's small artists who are up in arms since their art is straight up stolen to the point they can't even share their art publicly anymore.
Why don’t they just upload on these platforms?
@@brian2440 cause it’s shit for the environment AND most small artists can’t afford to buy into it
@@oops6876 yeah, 10$-100$? Those who can effort it, definitely don't mind paying that but those who can't, won't even spare it a thought.
As stated in the video, a NFT that wasn't signed by the original artist is useless. The whole point of NFT is bragging rights that you bought a piece from a particular artist. I wouldn't want an NFT sold by some rando who had no connection to the artist at all. You've only provided an example of buyers getting scammed. The artist is still OK. They can create NFTs whenever they get the money to do so and start selling them legit.
Donation based porn will simply have to stay the true future.
According to Dan Olson, Folding Ideas, video on NFT, Beeple has vested interests with the sale. The person who won the auction, a startup owner, also own a crypto coin scheme, which Beeple also own 2% of the whole economy. Which value jumped from 36c to 23$. So when he was in this video, he wasn't espousing NFTs for artist (which was all BS), he was a marketer shilling for his own vested interests.
isnt that basically like insider trading with extra steps?
@@mr.breadobamagames5221 I guess that's a nice equivalent. Personally, it reminded me of TMartn promoting gambling website that turns out he owned it.
I swear, this video is the reason RUclips hid the dislike ratio. What complete fucking nonsense is spouted in this video. I hope Corridor come out and make a follow-up video walking back their statements here.
Nft are a ponzi scheme and I'm very disappointed corridor digital promoted it
@@mr.breadobamagames5221 insider trading is illegal - this was new so it wasn't illegal.
can't wait for Wren's VFX ARTIST REVEALS HOW MUCH POWER NFT NEEDS
And how it's 73% powered by reneweables, making it one of the most reneweables-centric sectors in the world. Isn't a province in China reportedly fuelling mining 95% by hydroelectricity?
@@Dougwun Those statistics haven't been proven, it seems they are crypto propaganda.
Also, the heat generated from the mining alone should be a point of concern.
Also, "it takes a little bit of actual money" what an hypocrite! People are losing money, it can go up to $200 or more for a single jpg. Say the truth Beeple-liar!
@@spicyf Ah, you're right , I just checked my very crpto propaganda sources and I cited incorrectly. My source (Cambridge University's 3rd Global Cryptoasset Benchmarking Study) stated that it was 76% of hashers use reneweables as part of their energy mix. However, 39% of the hasher's total energy consumption comes from reneweables (page 26). I got my per cent who used renewables confused with total attributable to renewables which overall sits at 39% based on their findings.
Do you have the stats on heat and energy consumption for the global visa market so we can compare?
You can only make money if you are already famous, or you have a lot of followers. For the rest, it's a total BS Ponzi scheme! Congrats Corridor: you guys are just becoming the worst by supporting this scam.
Not super related to the video but it makes me real happy to see that the embroidery I made for them like two years ago is still on the wall despite the changes in the studio.
That’s cool. What’s the time stamp where I can see it?
Ooh that's nice! Let me screenshot it and tokenize it without your consent 🥰
Is that the only way women are allowed in the studio? 🙃
@@fruitypebbles803 they have like 3 or 4 female employees
@@fruitypebbles803 Wooow you really are Fruity
Can't wait to watch this unbiased, objective take on the matter!
Ha.
Only been over a year and we still have not gotten it.... Hmmmmm
@@bjam89 I mean Beeple profited big time on this. I'm sure now more than ever he's proud that he pulled it off when he did.
25 mins of Beeple deciding whether to wear his mask or not.
I was so happy when he finally decided to take it off. 😂
@Vincent H. couldn’t agree more.
@Vincent H. Ok. Tell that to my aunt who died what had to be a slow, sad death with liquid in her lungs and far away from her family.
@@tillholder2400 We can't, she's dead.
can't leave his fucking head alone, or stop pouring things into it. worse than bob geldof.
NFTs are a really cool concept, but it’s still wack that people are tokenizing other artists pieces of work and stuff on Twitter randomly. At least with smaller artists that don’t have that strong identity.
This, absolutely this. This is my BIGGEST issue with NFTs. I also commission a lot of art and am 100% not okay with some random asshole stealing art from the artist I commissioned and coincidentally stealing the art I own.
Yeah you can upload, duplicate your art and upload multiple versions of it
Yeah, this doesn't really prove ownership of anything... as he said, anyone can put something up and all they have to do is pay a bit of money. If someone "posts" someone elses art and that artist goes to do it, then the actual artist gets screwed? I don't get it...
Wait whattt that’s happening?
That sounds like a legality problem to me, I’d sue if someone stole my art and proceeded to monetize it.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon Makes me glad to see you also hate NFTs Jarek. I knew I subbed to you for a reason all those years ago
Just here to remind people more then a year later and they have yet to apologize for trying to legitimize this scam system they themselves took part in.
They're still releasing NFTs on their makersplace page, I don't think we're getting one
The biggest issue I have with Beeple's art being sold specifically was that the people bidding (the final bidders specifically) were just crypto bro's who own NFT/crypto platforms themselves. They were literally buying ad space on news headlines for their platforms, their own coins/tokens and NFTs in general. It's pretty shitty IMO, but kinda part of the whole scene. Just blowing hot air up each others orifices.
And Beeple apparently owns 2% of the investment fund which bought his art. The whole thing is a giant circle-jerk house of cards pyramid scheme where a few already rich people will make huge amounts of profit while everyone else gets screwed.
@@Redswipe Do you have any evidence of it? Its pretty big assumption otherwise.
@Zwenk Wiel No, youre thinking of the "fine art" market, which is what the NFT/cryptoart market is mirroring but in a digital space. Its were you see pieces of art sell for ridiculous prices just so that it can be further speculated on, thereby increasing the price and making headlines in the news.
I really don't get this NFT thing bc at the end of the day YOU DON'T OWN SHIT! ONLY A CERTIFICATE.....NOTHING PHYSICAL. Not even the license.....wtf......it's just scams you into crypto shit
@Zwenk Wiel If people REALLY wanted to support online artists, theres many methods of direct support like patreon, donations, commissions, prints, merch, etc. The NFT market if anything creates opportunities for people who are not the original artist to profit said original artists work.
What an excellent, confusing, hard to legally define way to launder your money.
Right?
That's the art world in general!
You can't argue with people who reduce the art market to just money laundering.
That's a BINGO
And how exactly to you launder ETH? It's not fiat currency it's ethereum smart pants.
"Anyone can mint anything"
And thats a huge part of the problem. Art theft for tokenization is already a huge problem for artists, and its fucking disgusting.
How is it a problem?
@@peacemaster8117 how is theft a problem? Hmmm, I wonder. 🤔
@@phaethonprime6427 Yeah, seriously. How is it a problem?
It's meaningless and worthless anyway.
@@peacemaster8117 imagine having a brain this smooth and wrinkle free
What is an NFT? Well, if you're an artist on Twitter, it probably means someone's stealing your artwork to make money for themselves.
My bushit meter broke the day I found out there's bots that look for keywords like "omg I wish they had a shirt with this" and then it steals the artwork and insta-places an order for a small quantity of bootlegged shirts and starts spamming the person and anyone in the comments with the link to it 😬
@@maeton-gaming Yeah, I remember when there was a campaign to use that phrase against the bot by making them plagiarize Disney IPs, with such info written on the image. NFTs are the Bitcoin version of T-Shirts.
Like the internet wasn't already god tier at exploiting creatives and stealing their shit.
Well, they're trying to. Those tokens dont mean shit
While also using up so much fucking energy and causing a LOT of problems for the climate
Beeple: "You can't just tokenize other artists work..."
Me: "I'm... I'm pretty sure this is EXACTLY the problem with NFT's right now and countless artist are having their works stolen then being unable to reclaim ownership of their art while thieves make bank on stolen goods... He means famous artists, right? Yeah he means famous artist..."
nah, he 100% said that you can mint a token for someones art but that it would be stupid to sell/buy because an nft is worthless without the actual artists minting. like some random dude on the street selling you a signed tom hanks poster with 0 proof of authenticity, completly worthless because it all hinges on the artist signing himself. if the seller cannot prove the nft is from the creator then it is completly worthless. the artist can also 100% sell an nft for an art pice no matter how many people already did
Just go to the marketplace,show that you are the original artist,and sell your art with the token.
The art bought before will devalue while your art will increase in value.
GG EZ
Dude it's new, like anything new there will be moderation down the line. RUclips was thes and way, people used to steal content from tv shows and cartoons and stuff, not to mention people to this day steal others art on twitter to create a name from themselves as well. Sadly exploration is everywhere and I promise u this will be fixed int he future. It just blew up so fast and investors and people who don't have much money are getting greedy.
@@ge2719 by showing you made the art piece.
@@ge2719 if you are completely unknown without any already established following anywhere you could show the project file to prove it.
It's funny how Beeple says things like "you own it" just to later clarify that you certainly don't own anything instead of a stupid token. Very classy.
Right on point!!
Isn't that artwork is in general? If you buy a painting, you don't get the copyright. You just get that copy
@@sachinsurya007 honestly, I have no idea, with digital pieces you can definitely get a license that allows for reselling copies of that artwork or the artwork itself. But that's not even the point, misinformation is the point - people don't know what they're paying for, artist don't really understand what they're selling, it's just another speculative bubble, nothing else and it has very little to do with the artwork itself.
@@sachinsurya007 If I buy a painting, I own a physical copy of that painting. If I buy an NFT, it seems like all I own is a picture of a painting.
@@shadowstrife3117 exactly, you don't even own the original files
Clint saw how much money beeple made and quit on the spot😂😂😂😂
I really think every artist with digital art......if not all 3D artist are gettin HYPED UP AND ALL WET bc now they can MAYBE get some $$$$. But the consumer gets SHIT except a fuckin certificate token. And EVERYBODY are in crypto scam as a result.
@@123stojakovic There are some artists that sends physical stuff, beeple is one of them, I love the digital portrait you get with his special nft packages
Best Comment xD
@@cruzefx3652 i'm digging beeple's tangible items here, they can't be just copied and pasted and I can see why they tickle the fancy of people into collecting things. but the others who are paying money just for a hash value (not even any commercial rights) ... i don't get it.
@@cruzefx3652 yes....SOME artists...I wished it would be ALL....then maybe I would understand it.....but they pay what....100/200bucks while people are stupid enuff to buy shit for 10k? I don't get it....
This whole thing is just the next step of realizing value is arbitrary and you can just assign it to whatever. I’m not trying to sound like the edgy “everything is just a social concept” kid, but this is basically just the fine art market with all its problems, but at the speed and scale of the internet
it is just the stock market, you are correct
Like Beeple mentioned, everyone is agreeing about the 'ownership' and technically in most countries the citizens have agreed that currency has value.
Is not about social concept, it's just a fact, value is subjective and individualized.
Supply and demand at it's finest.
@@Moozeooze which is kinda funny(and sad) thinking about it considering the gamestop hedge funds deal a month or two ago...
I mean it's not edgy just because it's true, but agreed.
Would be interesting to study the link between Beeple and his buyer. It's very classic in the NFT space to use wash trading and money recirculation in general for promotion. For instance, the buyer of Beeple's record NFT is Vignesh Sundaresan of Singapore who's not completely isolated from Beeple business-wise. It's probably a sort of arrangement between friends for a bigger scam down the line.
I think Corridor should warn more about the scam aspect of NFTs rather than present it like an artistic endeavor. And not use a huge promoter to explain all aspects of it, even if Beeple is quite honest NFTs transfer no copyright, no ownership, no artwork and no value :s
The weirdest thing about nft is that is takes the the existing art market as somehow rational and valid. Most of the art trade just allows rich people to transfer money easily. NFTs gonna go the same way once the rush is over.
Beeple already did this with the dude that bought his 69 Million dollar piece.
AND at the end of the day you OWN SHIT. PHYSICAL SHIT....not a goddamn certificate
I hate hate hate that people are trying to promote NFTs as a means for digital artists to monetize their work, because the last thing artists should want is to emulate the fine art market. If you want to support your favourite artists you can already buy their work and comissions without the additional bullshit and significant environmental impact and everything else that comes with NFTs.
It is rational when the art market values talent, skills and meaning.
It's already that.
Well, ofcourse he is all for it. He made 69 million dollars by selling a NFT
Well, 11 years of work, he's deserve it
@@andrevvv why? are art valued in years? well I start doing art since 9 I must valued for at least billions. the truth is best thing he can do is to just fucking lay low.
I really don't get this NFT thing bc at the end of the day YOU DON'T OWN SHIT! ONLY A CERTIFICATE.....NOTHING PHYSICAL. Not even the license.....wtf......it's just scams you into crypto shit
@@SVAFnemesis well he's been making art for 11 years EVERYDAY!!!! STFU lmao you really compared yourself to beeple smh
I don't think he was expecting to become rich when he first got into it
I'm happy for him and he should get paid but I know I'm not alone in saying that NFT is the dumbest thing that's ever happened.
Ikr noone think about quantum computing? What happens to all the value tied to these classical cryptography thingies in a couple of years? I mean when the tokens become a little bit fungible
ah yes selling non physical art like selling licenses but through crypto is so stupid and not just the same fucking thing
@@daniel7587 i think because quantum computing will never be mainstream like modern computer because it needs special cooling and only big corpo can afford it. But i mean anything could happen
@@lorenzodemonti there was a time where owning a computer was a rarity and only the rich had them.
@@pineapplepie4929 It sure as hell doesn't use 263,538 kWh of energy and emit 163,486 Kg of CO2 just so you can have this meaningless ownership of a photo you could obtain easily. I'd rather pay thousands for a physical photo that was signed by the artist than this.
Some artists have spoken against NFTs because of the huge environmental impact of blockchain transactions. One of them calculated that the amount of power used for a single transaction was around the same as two years of his studio. I'm glad that the issue was at least discussed in the video and look forward to the one dedicated to this topic.
I still don't get why this NFT would effect the environment
So what? "Two years of his studio" is meaningless. It's probably equal to 10 years of vacuuming or 30 years of toasting bread. You can make any unit conversion and make it look worse than it is. You need perspective to actually understand the impact. And in terms of absolute numbers the impact of NFT's are negligible.
You people are brainwashed idiots how much storage do you think something like youtube takes its not even a comparison wanna go save the entivroemnt from Servers go shut down youtube
All human activities leave a carbon footprint. Lead the way and turn off your computer.
Now compare that to how much a single Bank's transactioning computer server system uses to sign all the transactions, 24/7, 365 days a year.
Next video should be on the carbon footprint of a single NFT.
Apparently the computation power to sell one is the same as a persons power usage for 40+ plus years on the low end.
I’d love to see Wren do a Eco analysis video explaining how much power is used in the sale of a NFT.
People are blowing the environmental impact out of proportion. Those transactions would still be happening even if crypto art hadn't popped up in the last year (not saying that's good). The main issue imo is that these tokens are essentially just certificates that link to these private minting websites databases. If their servers shut down for whatever reason (they take the money and run, go out of business, etc.) your token is worthless. Yes the proof you own the token is on the blockchain, but the token is literally just a JSON file pointing to their database. It's 100% a scam from these minting websites.
@@GO-tq6hs why don’t we let Wren do legit research and prove the current system is a massive energy suck and how possibly a new system would allow these transactions at a much lower cost to the environment. Good old science always excels over opinion. Selling art for charity that earns $100,000 dollars at the cost of a larger amount for energy consumption doesn’t sound charitable to the earth. I would love more factual information on this subject.
Every time this is explained to me money laundering seems like a good analogy and the scam alert in my brain goes off. I maybe and hopefully am wrong.
Not wrong, money laundering is currently the main driving force behind the perceived value of NFT. It's incredibly easy to launder with.
You're completely correct about NFTs. They're a money laundering scam 100%
I understand that you are talking to a person who has personally benefited from this and who you are friends with, but this whole video seem heavily focused on the positives. I know that you are making a follow up to this and I believe that you aren’t trying to do anything malicious in secretly promoting this, but it just felt like most of the questions were basically “hey can you tell us why this is so great?” With only occasionally mentions of everything else that goes into it
I mean, this dude made 69 million dollars. From his perspective, it's all positive.
STFU
Agreed, this video put corridor crewz in different light for me. I think they know exactly what they are doing here.
He did say that its risky and may not be worth it, but i agree still not enough emphasis on why it can be harm
Exactly! I don't know if they are associated with the dude in some business way but they supporting NFTs rubbed me the wrong way
My biggest question is about the counterfeit minting of other artist's work. It's already blowing up into a huge problem where these bot accounts just scoop up a bunch of digital art from wherever they can get it & then these scammers are minting art they don't even own the rights to leaving the original artists with fuck all.
It's not a huge problem. Why would it be? It's just piracy, it doesn't affect the artist in any meaningful way. The artists aren't deprived of anything in the process.
@@peacemaster8117 if they try to mint the work and sell it they're deprived of the money they would have gotten. And if they didn't want to sell the work, it's now being sold against their will.
@@peacemaster8117 Cool, lemme just deny you an opportunity to make $10K from a day's worth of your work & then you tell me afterward how you feel about that.
@@hazonku How are they being denied the opportunity?
@@benstanfill363 No, it isn't, because the work isn't being sold. I dunno how you guys still don't understand this since Beeple explained it so simply in the video.
To think he had no idea of the upcoming $69 million... 🤯
Nice
The $69 million he got from selling it to his crypto-bro friend who created a cryptocurrency Beeple has a significant stake in.
practically self-dealing.
@@Ostermond what crypto currency is that?
@@Ostermond he can donate all of his money to a carbon offset fund and ALMOST repair half the damage to the environment he did.
@@Boeing_hitsquad Does the sale price have any impact on the amount of energy that is being used? I was under the assumption that something selling for $69m has no more impact than something selling for $100. Is that wrong?
This is interesting and all, but all I can think about is how the combination of selling artwork with blockchain tech is a money launderers dream. Completely subjective value, and very difficult to de-anonymize if the buyer is careful. I feel like this may be its REAL use-case.
It's exactly that.
When Beeple first appeared on Corridor Digital he came across as a really passionate and humble artist.
Did you end up seeing that video where he was teamed up with Peter? If you get through that video without wanting to curbstomp Beeple, I'd be impressed.
25:17 This is so frustrating, all the work you had made so far WAS ART. You don’t need NFTs to make something art
Edit: added timestamp
The way some digital artists are trying to adopt the fine art market wayd of giving value to art is reminding me of how games are trying to copy hollywood, how cg anime tried to copy anime instead of being their own thing(which btw is finally changing in recent years), or even something way more lame: how some vegans give up on meat but instead of making vegan dishes, they just create fake meat.
Just because you're not among "the big, widely accepted by everyone guys" doesn't mean you are worthless... Just because digital art doesn't work like fine arts, doesn't make it any less worthy of being considered art.
@@iota-09 plus value in fine art is widely accepted (even by the artists) as fraudulent. Value is arbitrary and it’s just a market for the rich
People have to false impression that your work isn't art unless there is a dollar value behind it... or if it's physical, for some reason.
As an artist, not only am I concerned about how this form of market can be taken advantage of by art thieves, but I'm also concerned because there's been information saying that the machines used to make NFT work are more detrimental to the environment than the average car. I get that learning about new forms of technology can exciting but from what I've been hearing and seeing, this is more worrying to me than anything.
even beeple himself was caught stealing from other artists for his pieces
@@conrad_os Wait, really? Do you have a source for that?
@Joey That's wildly inaccurate. You require tremendous amounts of processing power to generate an NFT from the algorithm, and you require multiple servers to accomplish it. That means large amounts of energy, and much like bitcoin, entire server farms are used to that purpose, which expend so much energy as a whole that they do have a discernible impact on the environment.
@Joey 1) The financial system serves billions of people. NFTs serve only a few individuals. When the energy expenditure by a few is comparable to entire nations, it's a problem.
2) What matters is single operations. A transaction of any kind is instant and doesn't need anything other than the power to keep the computer and the internet on. The generation of a single NFT requires magnitudes more power because it needs to process the blockchain algorithm and that takes a lot of power from multiple computers running at maximum power. And again all of that power serves a single individual for a single NFT.
@Joey Wouldn't say false. Blockchain benefits the few, usually already well to do individuals requiring huge amounts of energy does make its mark. Sure it's only a fraction now, but estimates evaluate this in terms of country-consuming power while this technology is still pretty much in It's infancy. The environmental impact is yet to be determined, but of course it seems fitting that the poor folks in poor countries with little chance of ever benefitting from this are the ones affected the worse by climate change.
There is of course other ways to negate the environmental impact, swtiching from proof-of-work to proof-of-stake models. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
"You can prove that you own a piece of art"
Nope. You don't own the art, at all. You don't own its existence, or its copyright, or the right to reproduce it. You only own a spot in a database that proves that you once paid money related to it, that's it. You own bragging rights, nothing more.
yeah, it's the digital version of owning a signed copy of a great author's book, you don't own the story, or copyright, or right to reproduce. you just own some paper with a signature from the author, you own bragging rights nothing more.
@@ravenflare8076 Ooh that's a good analogy! Nice 👍
With beeples art there is a physical aspect that shows you own the art and its from the actual artist which is why it has value.
@@centiantcommander4342 i don't think it is even the fact that it proves it is from the artist, but the just having something physical to show. that would be the real value that he added.
i doubt those images would be sold for half that value if wasn't for those pretty boxes and tablets.
@@Szobiz you clearly don’t understand the value people place on simply owning a piece of art.
NFTs is basically paying to get your name on a list. It has absolutely nothing to do with "ownership" of a piece. You don't get the copyright or any other rights to the actual artwork; you just get your name put in a digital registry, associated with that piece of art. A digital registry that's really, really, really bad for the environment.
I'm glad for the artists that have found a way to make a living from their art. I'd rather live in a society with some form of UBI, so anyone who wanted to just make art and not starve to death could do so. But we're not there yet. So I'm happy for the artists that manage to get this to work for them. But I don't like the systems or ideas or technologies - it having some good effects doesn't mean it's an overall good thing.
As someone who's against UBI because it doesn't scale properly and can very easily cause a collapse of economics... I agree with you completely on this NFT stuff. It's not passing the smell test so to speak and from what I've researched it is not a good thing at all.
Exactly! Wanna support an artist? Commission them! Join a Patreon! Fund & commission their projects. Don't pay rich fucks out to create false scarcities.
@@xombiekat13 Patreon is fine, but they're not usually a very profitable or long term way to make money. While I'm not all for NFTs myself, I don't blame artists (or "techbros") for wanting to get in on it.
My biggest problem with this whole thing is there is no actual ownership. What you buy is really nothing. Physical art, you get the piece the artist touched at least (whether that has value is still up to the free market), but with NFT’s you get nothing. It’s baffling people would spend thousands and millions on absolutely nothing.
@@Kyle_Man I guess you get pretty much the same thing as you do with regular bitcoins: something you can sell. The value lies 100% in the idea of it having value. Which, I guess, technically is how money works (though there are more systems in place to protect the value of actual money).
NFTs feel like the sort of thing that only works if you see art as being an investment first and foremost, and only care about it as such.
Personally, I don't like cryptocurrencies overall, but I guess for people who do, NFTs make more sense.
no ones gonna say anything about how beeple is having a frappuccino and a red bull in the same sitting
The man is living in 2030 and needs his fuel. Gotta keep up that grind.
Actually, someone did comment on it and I just replied to it. Cheers
How else do you think he's managed to make a daily art piece for 13 years....?
@@TheP3NGU1N yo
That’s dark
Red bull actually has a pretty low caffeine content compared to most other energy drinks
Wait so can some rando just steal my art and call it a day since no one knows I exist...
yes
Absolutely
Exactly that's why I don't even get the point of NFTs... if they don't prevent someone from screenshotting and then stealing work... what even is the point? In fact, what even *is* an nft? I thought they were pixelated pieces of art that only get revealed to the bidder *after* buying it... but turns out their not always covered by being pixelated. So wtf even is an nft lmfao?
@@cashwin45 the owner has the digital code that proofs that he is the owner..
if you tokenized your art immediately after finishing it by uploading to the blockchain then you would never have to worry about someone else claiming they were the creator...i don't really see NFTs as lifechanging but i'm not a collector...it's a big deal for collectors, and i would think an even bigger deal for creators as they can now protect their creations.
Niko saying 70 million instead of 69 million
Everyone: dam niko
not nice.
But still cool
Not nice
Yes I'm deeply disappointed he didn't say the joke number. It literally gets funnier every time I hear it.
@@LawrieAndCo same
Is anyone else actually really sad that Clint is leaving CD? He brought so much life into the studio & videos.
I am super glad he is gone.
@@kibordpengin why?
Yeah I'm sad he's leaving, he was super talented
To be honest I think I'm the only one who actually doesn't care and would prefer just to have NODE back. Enjoyed that a lot more than Corridor digital..
he literally comes back for artists react
*NFTs are a way for influencer artists to get even richer at the expense of the environment and smaller artists' work being stolen and tokenized. WIN-WIN, amirite?*
Of course the guy who made 70M$ out of it and his friends are gonna say how great it is.
CC was going downhill in the past few years, but now they're going full sellout. Glossing over the worst issues before announcing making their own NFTs.
So long, Corridor. It was fun while it lasted... (and there's melodysheep who falled down into nft too. sad)(edit: mcdonald too, apparently)
@@readyforlol it’s not that deep. Bruh. Just grow up
@@C63 That's not the only thing i'm basing this on. It's more like the final blow.
I mean come on, they posted only 2-3 videos on their main channel in the past 6 months, and have focused more and more on their vlogs where they invite celebrities. Their videos now contain 2-4 calls to action each. Sponsorship segment, call to check out their social medias, call to check the invitee's social medias, call to write a comment for what they should do next (or drive engagement metrics up), calls to buy merch...
The few actual short films they make anymore are engineered to go viral instead of being their own thing. Go compare their Bosstown Dynamics stuff with what they used to do like Brush with Death, or Clock Blockers etc. Their last video was disappointing imo, and felt like they did it more for the Epic megagrant than to make a good video.
Why would you say that? The concern is valid. The current way the blockchain operates is the Problem not the artists themselves.
In short: they brought the "bring your rarest Pepes" meme to life.
My god. Why didn't I think of that before.
Don't let your memes be dreams
Can you do a video on how fast the speed of light is just like how you did how big a universe or how small an atom is.
It really is isn't it? The fact that it was a meme based on how absurd the premise was shows how much of a scam these NFTs are.
SHIT...
I fully agree that you should not chastise or haunt artists for minting NFTs or being part of the blockchain, at the same time I think that participating in a system is also agreeing to take part of the responsibility of its downsides. If you are an artist who mints NFTs you are part of the environmental impact it causes, just like if you take a plane trip you are part of the environmental impact the plane causes. You can't swear yourself free under the idea that the plane would have left with or without you, so your impact doesn't count. That's just a self justification for not wanting to take responsibility.
That being said, there are new protocols and ways which will make the blockchain a lot more environmentally friendly in the works. If you are concerned with the environmental impact I would wait a bit before jumping on the bandwagon. In the coming 6-12 months we are going to see quite a lot of change in this area. Especially so as more blockchains move over to a POS model rather than POW model.
Yea same for me. I totally agree with that
You should absolutely chastise people for doing this dumb crap lol. You don't have to do this evil garbage to sell art
@@CpnStraightEdge we get it, you're jealous you're not making $69 million from your chicken scratches, it's okay 🤣
But NFTs are only really valuable since they are an unregulated market with wild west potential on profit. Wait 6 months and it'll either get slapped on the hand by governments/die down on its own. At the very least that's what I hope because there's no excuse to dump stupid amounts of CO2 for a digital certificate of "ownership". Next I'll start setting a box of kittens on fire every time I do a commission. It's not a necessery evil of the system you could do this stupid NFT stuff without the blockchain, stop defending it
@@SwitchAndLever epic climate change denial bro
SPOILERS ALERT: And in the end Bepple were in the scam all along, who would guess this unpredictable twist.
Watching beeple say his work might gain value IF he gains popularity knowing how he’s about to blow up is hilarious
I don't know how he could shrink with this.
Now he not only has that incredible story about his daily work, he also is that guy who made obscene amounts of money from a new technology. A technology which at least I believe can develop as a standard.
Was really hoping this video would explain what was going on with Twitter and all my favorite artists locking their Twitter accounts from all their art being tokenized without their permission.
Sadly the Corridor seems fell prey to the NFT lies, so you probably won't hear any negative stuff about it here. Who cares about the negative aspects when you can make some sweet $$$, amirite?
@@DarthBiomech Either that, or you're buying into a fear-mongering meme and the Corridor lads were actually smart enough to do their research and understand both sides of the argument before moving forwards.
@@peacemaster8117 But... they didn't. They glossed over anything that i think are serious issues. Art theft should be talked about, but it's a conversation they don't want to have.
@@DarrenNoFun How is art theft a serious issue? People bootleg content on RUclips all the time but we don't use that as an argument against letting people upload RUclips videos.
@@peacemaster8117 When you're friends with the literal face of NFTs who's a millionaire because of it, you are NOT gonna be unbiased towards NFTs.
not a good look for CC to be this uncritical of what their friend, one of the very few people who're heavily profiting from the system, is saying about NFT while not bringing up any of the many valid points about how this system is very much hurting artists and the environment
Yes, *especially* the environmental section.
Did you not hear what wren said? They're going to be making an entire video on the power requirements of block chain.
@@MrSamdabeast What he says about "the problem is the way the blockchain is power hungy" is nonsensical.
The whole point of cripto and the reason they have *any* value is that its value is directly correlated to the compute-intensive work that goes into creating them and that makes economically impractical/impossible brute force the cryptography and effectivly "double" one unit.
Therefore I don't think the video will really address anything
the environment argument is fucking ridiculous. GPU’s minting or mining NFT’s/ether and other forms of crypto has such a minuscule footprint compared to all of the other carbon producing things us humans do on a daily basis. I like many other people think it’s important to be environmentally conscious but part of me thinks that these blogs just want to shit on the technology for the sake of having a headline. I do agree the blockchain needs to go from proof of work to proof of stake, there is absolutely no doubt about that but I just think everything regarding this environmental issue was a bit overblown.
I do however agree that this can be potentially harmful for the artist community and that is a major concern of mine
@@Mac0SXTutorials101 Currently bitcoin mining uses more power than microsoft, google, facebook and amazon's data centers combined. And for what? To fuel a speculative bubble that has no stability and no actual value. The tech is interesting, but how its implemented (its massive level of inefficiency, thats what gives is 'value') and what it costs environmentally is utterly obscene. And thats just bitcoin. More power then the whole of the Netherlands and its 17 million citizens. Its fucking obscene.
Worth pointing out that he is investor in the fund that bought his art. So the whole thing seems fishy.
I mean... more money for Beeple
very fishy, it definitely doesn't reek of fraud to me...
This is going to give crypto art so much visibility I’m so mad.
Like I’m glad for Beeple getting paid for literal years of work but god NFTs grind my gears just as a concept.
Why
Why
Why
1) because of the amount of power it takes for servers to produce crypto currency, it is harmful to our environment. Something that is already at a tipping point, this will add another source of needless pollution thanks to Capitalism. 2) its a pyramid scheme. you have to buy crypto currency to participate. its a scam.
NFTs are harmful to the environment. The cryptography involved consumes tons of power on an altogether frivolous endeavor.
this is the first time in my life someone older then me explains something about technology that i just think “shit im too old for this”
why i'm in tech and this concept is making me old?
I have that all the time. I still don't know jack shit about bitcoin, how blockchain works and this is right in that alley. I really try to understand but it's the same as a person speaking Russian and Portuguese at the same time to me: it doesn't make any sense to me
Luckily enough for you they did a bad job of explaining it
@@royroos8036 Listen to Shapiro's crypto for dummies.
@@royroos8036 Yeah, and WHY!? Like, I understand paying for a signed picture but this and bitcoin is just nonsense to me. And how does it cost so much energy and emit greenhouse gases? Then there's mining? HOW DO YOU MINE DIGITAL CURRENCIES!? Do they play Minecraft or something?
I can't wait to see the video about the impact NFT have over the environment. I'm against bullying artists that are doing crypto art, but I feel like people should understand the impact is REAL.
a single gold ring does 20x as much environmental damage to mine
@@Americanbadashh but saying that thing B is 20x worse than thing A is still acknowledging the fact that thing A is still indeed a bad thing.
@@Americanbadashh so we got against Nfts and minery? Sounds good to me
@@Americanbadashh not really because the gold can sit not wasting energy. The NFT perpetually burns it.
@@TheSonicShoe That the dumbest thing I've read in this thread. Damage is not based on relative numbers but absolute. If one thing is harmful at 100 units then it can be negligible at 10. This the exact reasoning behind vaccines, lmao. Or just consider the following: would you rather jump from a 100 meter tall building once or a hundred times from a one meter ledge? The latter isn't harmful at all.
Grew up in Wisconsin. Beeple's voice is the sound of my people.
Definitely sounds like he’s from up north lmao
Hes definitely says ope when he runs into someone by accident
Damn, you had to listen to this kind of voice everyday? Painful
Sounds like the Manitowoc Minute guy, keep er moving
@@Yellowsnow69420 in da nort we dont hate so ya get used to it ya kno
I'd much rather just pay an artist to make me a custom piece of art. NFTs seem like paying for photos of your dinner.
What if they are really good photos by a photographer you support and like?
I think physical art and NFTs can coexist. I also think people should be glad that artists are discovering new ways to make a living.
what?
@@sean3000 Can they though? All I've seen is a massive influx of stolen art. The only people really benefiting from NFTs were already well established. There really isn't a saving grace to them.
NFT is just a certificate of authenticity.... That's impossible to copy or reproduce...
The closest thing that reminds me of this is limited edition concert posters.
I don't own the copyright to them, but I own a genuine print that is numbered.
I don't think of it as an investment, but they could be worth something.
Someone could take a picture of them or make a fake one, but I know I have a real one.
I could trade and sell them if I wanted to, but what I really get out of it is the memory and experience and a piece of art that shows people a little bit about what I'm into.
Screw NFTs. Lots of art theft, huge carbon costs, and most artists lose money on them
This!
People really need to know this
Yeah, the environmental issue is the worst
Art theft is inevitable, carbon cost is negligible, and most people lose money in ALL endeavors. Most businesses fail, most day traders make less than minimum wage. None of these are valid arguments against NFTs, and the last one is only an argument for artists being less stupid.
Yup
This man really drinking a Starbucks Frappuccino and a red Bull at the same time
This man does cocaine for sure
He has ascended past human
This is the equivelant of Timmy and Tommy saying that the cost of Turnips are 890 Bells per turnip.
Beeple making NFTs
Sheeple buying NFTs
The person who bought is a billionaire
i was expecting a better insight on the NFT situation considering the amount of theft and how much it harms small artists AND the environment
I mean, would you talk about that, if your goal was to push something? It's cult propaganda.
@@JanPospisilArt I wouldn't even be surprised
@@Methbilly anyone can claim your art as their own. That's why people end up taking down their art so it doesn't get stolen, most of the instances appear on twitter when people use a certain text which sends the art link to a bot which then converts it for them. You shouldn't go insulting people online without doing your own research and generally understanding that there are people who do this for their own gain ONLY.
I couldn't give less of a damn about NFTs cause they're just a scam and nothing else which will die out in 2 years once this is over. And you bet people will take advantage of it now that they've been advertised to just how much money can get out of it even though it's not even that simple when Beeple has been continiously doing it for 13 years straight which is about 4745 art pieces. (only if you're a famous artist as well course cause if you're not then too bad.)
a single (ETH) transaction is estimated to have a footprint on average of around 35 kWh, equivalent to an EU resident’s electric power consumption for 4 days. anyone with a powerful enough computer can do this and steal someone else's work in the meantime as well
The links are so goddamn complex that you need shit ton of power for it which is generally, surprise not a good thing. Why do you think so many people are against NFTs, do you geniuenly think we wouldn't encourage it if it wasn't a scam
@@Methbilly hackers can also easily steal your NFTs so good luck with that, if you have your credit card info on your account as well then that's even better news! If only people cared so much about the future generations as much as their precious "Non Fungible Tokens"
@@zukazuu Hackers stealing your NFTs should be as difficult as robbers breaking into a house and taking your irl paintings. I think NFTs are a new thing, so maybe there still isn't that much NFT security, rules for minting and manpower to ensure authenticity, but making it as reliable as possible should be the goal.
I don't see any reason it shouldn't be trusted as much as real, tangible artwork when the NFT system reaches maturity.
There's to strong a disconnect from reality and someone like Beeple. He said "someone can copy your work through a screenshot and say it's theirs but someone comes along and says 'no it's ____'s ." It's not the case for an artist starting out without a backing of any type. If I posted something really good without a known name behind it and someone else copied it, no one would know who to stand up for who. That's why it's not a realistic concept.
I love that you used Beeple's own beep noise to beep out his "colorful" words 😂
Also, I love that the office has been converted into an electric vehicle charging station lol
The part of his explanation that should give everyone pause is "Everyone agrees". He said it multiple times while trying to explain the validity and value of NFTs. What happens when someone doesn't? What happens when they duplicate this on another platform? "Yeah, your NTF of that art is cool, but I've got the XPZ version." or something ridiculous like that.
The power draw for a single transaction to make this stuff work is crazy ridiculous.
An environmental step backwards is all crypto is. What’s supposed to be the future is driving us further back.
Also more powerful computing (especially quantum) is a huge threat to all existing cryptography.
@@chinesesparrows not really
Not when eth moves to pos.
It’s pretty rough but in the grand scheme of things all cryptocurrency is 2% of the world’s energy, with less than a hundredth of that being NFTs.
We need a better system but honestly the cleaner the production of energy the less of a problem this becomes, since computers don’t exactly have emissions besides heat.
It’s environmental impact is overblown compared to the 70% of emissions created by corporations that could be drastically reduced with just a simple carbon tax. That’s what people should be pushing for.
Woah! You mean i can get a special code that’s equivalent to a goofy goober fun buck and all it takes is burning a panda sanctuary??? Radical!
Whoa ! Sign me the fuck up !
NFTs are a new version of the "buy a star" scam. You're buying an entry in a database, nothing else.
Btw, Beeple has stakes in a NFT company. Whatever he's telling, he's probably lying.
He's not lying, but, this was probably planned from the beginning as some kind of PR stunt from that NFT company. The guy who bought his everydays for $69 million owns the largest shares.
True
@@alan.smitheeee What? Got a link to a deeper dive on this?
You are buying the rights to something on a specific blockchain. Thus you are able to mathematically prove that you own that thing. When you "buy a star" you do not own it. Furthermore, what do NFT companies have to do with this? They do not control the blockchain in any way. If you want to know if NFTs are legit then read the source code of Ethereum.
@@cow4200 I think @Neo Lix wanted to say that owing an NFT doesn't mean a whole lot, just like buying a far of star you can never get to the whole market is based on selling something without inherent value.
An NFT doesn't do anything and you can't use I for anything apart from selling it on.
Yeah, as much as I love following your channel, you guys need to do a follow up on this topic and not be shy about it. Beeple might be your friend but a lot has changed since this video and it needs to be addressed!
I think with as many followers you have that the appropriate thing to do is to do another segment on it now.
They're still releasing NFTs on their makersplace. I don't think an apology or a followup is on the horizon anytime soon..
Looking forward to Wren’s follow up video. Because this video skips over the basic issues with NFTs. You don’t own the art, you own a code that is tied to a specific local file which means nothing on the internet.
Yeah, unless you have a contract that states you own the content, you don't own anything.
this one aged like fine milk
If they bleeped every time he said "like", it would've sounded like someone speaking in Morse Code.
For animators react: Levi v Kenny chase scene in attack on Titan. Also ex-arm is terrible. If you want to see that
I'm guessing the Ex-arm one would be in VFX artist react
what do you mean? EX-arm is a masterpiece of this generation of animation.
@@AmanRao_ oh yeah, my mistake.
EX-arm is a masterpiece
@@AmanRao_ *That's why they need to react on it* 🙄🙄🙄
I can't be the only one to think that this whole thing is just a massive freaking scam.
Ive tried getting a more concise answer as to "what exactly is the point of nft's/how do theh work"
And ive yet to get a clear answer
Generally when something is this convoluted its 100% a scam or fad
You can always say the same thing with other art. With basic paintings, or mediocre “abstract” art.
The world is going digital and it’s only going to get more valuable
I don't even know what it is lol.
Bro did you even listen, it's basically almost exactly like bitcoin or cryptocurrency, they just added images to it as the "token". And then you can sell it again when it goes up in value or just keep it
Money laundering
1st time seeing beeple on corridor crew: why is he acting like that? lol
2nd time: ohhh he rich as fuck
this is the 3rd time
A Metadata file that takes over 2 days worth of a households electricity to create. The Wonderful Wasteful NFT Blockchain. How about people just respect and pay artists fairly? Or maybe Corridor should talk to the other large artists that use the blockchain and have never seen any profit to get a side that’s not glorified by some dude who duped the system by being an early adopter?
dude, imagine being given the choice: huge amount of money or saving the environment XD
@@w_szon3115 It's understandable that he's happy making millions from it but it doesn't mean the rest of us have to be happy about it
Lol, no it doesn't.
@@w_szon3115 yet another way for egotists to destroy the planet
@@MWFreerun true, but being given the choice I wonder what would have happened ;)
Yeahhhh, I'm gonna guess that once Disney realizes your "fair use" digital art of Buzz Lightyear made a hundred thousand dollars, Disney is going have a bit of a problem with that...
Andy Warhol and Roy Lichtenstein did paintings of Mickey Mouse... Jeff Koons made a sculpture of Popeye that sold for 25 million... Fair use is Fair use, you cant back-pedal after the fact.
Nice try Disney can’t do shit bro it’s been 7 months he still rich 🤷🏻♂️
NFT is a ecological disaster; built on top of a technology that is not prepared for the real world usage, only good for speculating.
And on top of everything, the "ownership" registration is a fucking joke of a unstable system.
EDIT: also lets not forget all the minting of unothorized art; or just stolen art.
Pretty much everything we do is an ecological disaster. NFTs dont amount for a large part of emissions and really how much worse is it for the environment than an auction for physical collector's items, where a lot of people fly in for the event, physical goods get shipped etc. Sure has its issues for which there is huge incentive to be solved, that doesn't mean it won't be immensely useful in the near future.
@@DimitarStanev NFTs and therefore crytocurrencies are a HUGE ecolgical disaster. Some mining networks consume more energy than WHOLE ass countries...
Also most of the energy consumption issues, come from the proof of work test that most blockchains use as a way of validating transactions; but the problem is that there is no real alternative to it.
There has been a lot of talk about changing some blockchains to a proof of stake test, that could help energy consumption... But they have been talking about it for YEARS without any real change. This is not an easy optimization issue, or sloppy code, that can be fixed in a few weeks; the fix that this "issues" need is a breakthought in blockchain technology, and that can come the next week or in 50+ years... We dont know
That is why is irresponsible to just keep using and upping the demand on this systems, with this kinds of energy consumptions; with the fishfull thinking of "it will get better soon" or "it can be fixed soon!"
@@Jsmarquerie would you also say it is irresponsible to be selling 'physical' artwork, having it printed/made and shipped all around the world? Would you say it is irresponsible to buy powerful gpus and have them render day and night for a couple second animation or a nice image render? At what point do you draw the line?
@@DimitarStanev there line is when you are consuming a country's worth electrical budget just to say that you OWN a piece of digital media. And of course that shipping PHYSICAL GOODS has a large cost on carbon emission, but that is other problem, that is unavoidable when shipping physical things; moving things cost energy. Now, crytoart is not for rendering or transporting data, is just for having a certificate of ownership of a piece of said data, with a astounding energetic cost, for just that. Shipping things has an unavoidable cost, and that is a problem that need fixing; but having networks of miners consuming tons and tons of energy just for a certificate of ownership for a transaction is a solution without a problem; and therefore is avoidable (you can own the right of an image/work if you purchase it via a normal way to the artist, without the need of any kind of cryptocurrencies). If you still feel that I am exagerating about this, please look up energy consumption of the Bitcoin and Ethereum networks; and keep in mind that it's just for a system with no real world use, just speculation
@@Jsmarquerie Fair enough, you have some good points. I hope something worthy comes out of this technology that we could perhaps use in the future.
I feel like watching an immense art-bubble is about to build up right in this gentleman's head...
Super happy for Beeple's success - it's great to see an artist get rewarded for their work - but I don't see NFT's working in the long run
Aged like fine wine lmao
7:21 yeah even beeple knows hes just lucky and that most people are going to lose money as this just becomes a more common occurrence
It's a bubble. Im just glad beeple got what he deserved.
@@alexo2303 very true
@@alexo2303 as long as its just artists making the money, and the investor types are the ones losing it
70 million... some fucking luck. lol. i wish i had 10% of his luck.
Not lucky, he's got friends in the biz. People are already losing money.
NFT's are terrible as they are now. "Owning" an NFT means nothing at all. In theory, they could be used to register ownership, but the current block chain is not enforced in that way, which means NFT's literally have no meaning at all. Even if you trust the NFT, the NFT itself is the product. They're selling the certificate of authenticity but not the art work itself! Further, the transactions are so energy intensive, that each one uses the same amount of energy as the average American over 4 days. Crypto currencies and NFT's are harmful nonsense that allows people to gamble while driving massive energy use that creates nothing useful. You can't make them more energy efficient without making the encryption less secure or as hardware efficiency improves. And, the harm is real, right now. These artists should take responsibility for contributing to this problem. That we could theoretically make the process more energy efficient is an empty argument until it happens.
That's cause (as far as I remember) most NFTs currently operate on the Ethereum blockchain, which is still proof of work. Migrating towards these new proof of stake chains like Cardano, Polkadot, Cosmos, etc. will definitely reduce the energy impact
"They're selling the certificate of authenticity but not the art work itself" is probably the best description of NFTs I've heard yet.
If an artist takes part in a system they already know has a damaging effect on the environment, regardless of what the actual source of that damage is within the system, and that system isn't a mandatory part of life under current civilization, then yeah, the artist is kinda part of the problem, Wren. You can talk about being aware of the damage something creates all you want, but if you're actively contributing to that damage at any step, those words don't mean much. This isn't wage slavery under capitalism where you have no choice but to participate, this is something you can abstain from until improvements are made, or make steps towards those improvements yourself. If you use NFTs with the goal of improving it in mind, more power to you, but most people are just doing it to make some money, consequences be damned.
If the English alphabet was destroying the world, and you said "It's okay because I only like the letters X, Y, and Z", it's not okay, because you're still upholding a cog that contributes to the operation of the machine.
This is just overcomplicated things.
Its just like making machine that does all these movements and mechanisms but that results in nothing useful
Its still worth as collective item but still its not worth the functionality
Facts. It’s just a concept to reel you in to invest in cryptocurrency and NFTs , but if you really think about its all a scam.
Like older art, it's all money laundering and tax sheltering probably.
Art has value too.
@@IkmelAAA which is precisely why it saddens me when people use art to evade taxation and launder money
@@IkmelAAA Give the utterly huge amount of good art in existance, it's pretty easy to find cheap art. The city I live in probably has a thousand original paintings sitting in charity shops for 50p. Art's monitary value is normally pretty low.
@@LawrieAndCo True, and the fact that many people can produce good art is the reason why exceptional art is expensive
But the money isn't coming from an illegitimate place, right? It was just people buying art.
On the other video I commented "he is so happy" now I know why, he's rich af lol
... he was the same in the video he had with them a year ago haha
this has 59 likes. Why
So NFT’s are a very controversial subject at the moment with a lot of seriously problematic drawbacks. In the interest of perspective and looking at both sides of the debate, would you consider doing a video equally deep diving into the multitude of ways NFTs have been harmful?
Corridor has a big platform and if you look at the comments people are really curious about both sides of the situation. I feel that we would love to see the crew really breakdown the situation.
PS, Can’t believe it’s been 10 years, seriously huge congrats are in order, it’s been a ride 👊🏻
update 6 months latter : I see small artist on my twitter timeline getting notifications on their artstation account that some of THEIR art has been posted as an NFT by someone else
This systeme was dumb from the start but I was hopping that it was at least well built ....... it's not well built. Fuck NFT
"It's not bad for the environment, it just depends on something that's bad for the environment and we're creating a greater demand for that thing." Good on you for giving profits to charity though. Maybe Clint left at the wrong time?
@@outcastkatsuki Nah I think i remember clint on his own channel saying he's at least curious and will follow NFTs.
@@260Xander Maybe he's leaving to go full-time NFT?
@@zombieowen one can wonder... World is his oyster right now
Still can't believe Beeple fired clint
Boutta commit insurance fraud to pay for .jpg of amogus
Wish me luck my dudes 😎
"... before you pick up your Amazon one day pitchforks..."
That was a perfect, subtle shade-throw.
This was a 30min advertisement.
So?
and we didnt even see jake
@@ge2719 A scam that hurts the environment too, let's not forget.
Reality Check - NFTs are based off of speculative hype like a stock. They have almost nothing to do with the quality of the art itself. If you were a well known artist before the cryptobubble started to inflate you might have a chance to make real money. If, however you aren't already well known (never sold many pieces of your art for more than $500 cash), you probably can't be part of this huge bubble before it pops. A handful of investors will make a ton of money, but most will lose - some will lose everything...
That criticism is the same with most art even in a traditional format - there a many cases of art going for millions that isn't anywhere near as quality as others but due to the reputation of the artist it sells.
Sounds like the art market all right
Not really, lots of unknown artists making money on NFTs now.
I question the new dynamic between Artist and Investor with cryptoart. Your "followers" aren't interested in the message of your art but instead in how much hype the artist themselves can generate. Many of your "followers" might not be art lovers or even enjoy your work. They more enjoy how much money your work makes them...The flip side to that is the artist is motivated to make art that will be popular or at least create the most hype for their audience, rather then art that should be ever evolving personal expressions.
@@brettcameratraveler For art to have value, it needs speculation of some sort.
Congratulations on 10 Years! Long Live the Corridor Crew!
5:05 Wren, we're mad at all crypto and the environmental drawbacks of it, NFT is just what's focused on by the mainstream. We're mad at the artists as well for the same reason people tend to dislike all other crypto people. They're taking profits over the environment. The issues already exists, and throwing NFT into the mainstream just makes it worse. You seem like you're trying to argue that NFT isn't the issue, but the way you word it literally admits that the entire system is the issue, which would include NFT. Getting angry at the artists is justified, because we're getting mad at them for the exact same reason people can get mad at mining in general.
I absolutely LOVE digital art... and I can't help but worry that every piece of art that comes out now is just going to be an attempt at NFTs, no longer genuine energy put behind the art. And I can't explain how heart breaking that is
But then again, everyone makes art for "likes" so I guess doing it soley for an attempt to make money can't be so bad
@@Leukick Well, a good NFT is a piece everyone would want right? Doesn't really differ from painters who want their pieces to be displayed and bought by everyone... The same motivation to create something catching is there.
I love that everybody in these comments is much more critical and critically thinking of NFTs than other videos that explain it. Makes me proud of Corridor Crew subscribers.
Even if NFT art _on its own_ maybe doesn't have a significant _additional_ environmental impact (which is what Wren said), then it still helps _validate and keep in place_ the greater system that is known to have an IMMENSE environmental impact!
This was pretty much exactly what I said to myself when I got to that part. By making another way to profit off crypto you're just making more people want to jump onto the crypto bandwagon and the people already invested in mining crypto invest even more machines into the operations and it ends up a net negative.
Only semi related, but many people don't get that the value of crypto "currencies" is pretty directly coupled with energy consumption. The value goes up, more people start mining, more energy is consumed. Proof of work at its worst.
I am mining ethereum (blockchain on which NFTs are based on) and I know that it uses a lot of energy. But ethereum is actually transitioning from proof of work mining to proof of stake in about 2 years if all goes according to developers's plan. Which means that staking nodes will replace graphics cards and thus lower energy consumption. Pos nodes validate transactions based on the amount of ether that is staked and for someone to alter the past blocks they would need to own more then half of all existing ether which is practically imposible. You know what also uses a lot of energy? Internet, cloud storage datacenters, servers, 5g network and many more services that we use everyday. Nobody is complaining about arguably useless pornsites effectively causing people to use electricity just so they can fap. Just an example.
I just add that what he says about "the problem is the way the blockchain is power hungy" is nonsensical.
The whole point of cripto and the reason they have *any* value is that its value is directly correlated the compute-intensive work that goes into creating them and that makes economically impractical/impossible brute force the cryptography and effectivly "double" one unit
@@salmiakki5638 It does not have to be this way. With Proof of Work it does, but real money does waste energy by design.
You could literally just sell one of the tiny monitors with a micro SD card with the original file saved on it attached on the back and sell it at the cost of physical materials plus whatever. But instead we'll use imaginary money in an environmentally destructive process to spend inflated amounts on ephemeral, intangible "objects" that in the end we don't actually own.
If you put an encrypted signature on that hard drive that has a chain of certificates available online you have a NFT. So you can actually nft slightly physical objects. Is the internet not real? Is money real? Stock shares real? Are human rights real? Imagination does have impact on physical. But eh. Youll rant. The world will go its way and you can rant at it. But blockchain will continue to run at the core of many things. You can yell poorly comprehended rants or actually try to understand it. Not sayin the tech is good or bad but your rant betrays a poor comprehension of it.
@@chemicalhap money has no intrinsic value (and isn't even upheld by a "gold standard" any more), the stock market is a scam, and many governments the world over do not in fact think human rights are a real thing. Liberties and rights at least can be quantified and measured through their tangible impact on quality of living, and physical health, i.e. whether or not your stomach is full, so while abstract, there is at least a basis in objective measurable reality there.
NFTs, currency, and the stock market are literally just a consensual mass hallucination. they exist only in so far as the majority choose to believe they exist. The exchange of goods and services can still take place in the absence of these "things."
@@chemicalhap Except this is supposed to be like a DRM, but not legally able to be enforced. So really you only "own" what you buy as long as everyone else agrees that you "own" it (and even then not in a legal sense). If the original systems that give/manage tokens to people goes down, there is literally nothing saying you own anything anymore. Questioning if human rights is real does not further your point in any regard and is just padding. The point is there are huge implications for NFTs that people are already starting to realize and regret. You can't legally enforce them, yet you can use them to "prove" you own art that is often time stolen from the real artist by a bot and placed on a website. Kinda funny how all these people wanna "own" digtital tokens of shit that was stolen in the first place. Just another scam/bubble that's waiting to burst.
You must be fun at parties
@@Slobbbb I don't get invited to parties, thanks for bringing it up
It's funny how I have no idea what they're talking about but I still enjoy watching😂😂
What I'm understanding is that NFT's have value only because people think they can make money by selling them. Person A buys it because they think they can make a profit by selling it to person B later. Person B only buys it because they think they can sell it to C for more. Same thing for Person C. Nobody at any point buys it because they want to keep it forever.
So it doesn't matter if the buyer owns the rights to the image or anything like that. It's pretty much a formality that the token is associated with a piece of art, in practicality that piece of information doesn't even matter. The owner only bought the token to sell it, and the token is only valuable because people are looking at it and saying "I think I can profit off that."
So don't even bother wondering "why is this token valuable if the art is digital and can be copied anyway?" The answer is that the art doesn't matter. Nobody who is buying and selling the token actually wants the art, they just want the money that comes with the fact the token is officially associated with the art.
I always thought Beeple's name is so perfect for his personality, and how he swears so freely.
Its funny. I didnt realize till now, BEEP!
"Scammer explains what his pyramid scheme con was"
Very cool content, very cool.
"NFTS & artists aren't the problem, the way blockchain works is"
Cmon.. Knowingly taking part and contributing to a problematic business makes you part of the problem.
I suppose you never shop from a conglomerate?
Or use the internet, have a cell phone, drive a car, wear shoes?
Pound sand.
@@7fxcyndershade of course, doing all of those things makes us part of a problem. It doesn’t justify NFTs just because people other people cause harm as well. What we should try to do is cause the least amount of harm possible. If we can do without something we should try to do that. Even little things like if we can cycle to work instead of driving.
@@josephn1000 no it won't.
@@josephn1000 yeah except participating in the only system that exists that’s conducive to your passion isn’t the problem, the way the system is arranged is. You’re asserting partaking is a problem without any explanation besides “c’mon”. What’s your explanation?
@@josephn1000 also cycling to work, even if you spent your life avoiding cars, does less than what a second of the oil companies expel. The problem isn’t the individual, it’s the system being upheld by multiples. The multiple people holding the levers. This isn’t to say NFTs are good or bad, I have no opinion on them, it’s to say your argument against a specific point they raised is bad.
Seeing a miner with a bunch of GPUs in this economy brings forth a bunch of rage.
And using a WHOLE BUNCH of energy just to produce an imaginary circle-jerk... yeah