One thing about Jekyll & Hyde's "buff" that wasn't mentioned is that if you use the skill for the battery then turn to Hyde, he keeps Jekyll's shitty crit damage value instead of his buffed one. So in that case he humorously is "nerfed" if you rush Hyde out
Koyan: Being the Top because she made Buster 3 Turn Consistently with high Damage Tez: getting gimped by his Class because if he was an Avenger or Berserker he'd make every other Loopers Moot more than Ibuki does
@@user-tb4zj8sp1k Precisely the point. He probably was a Zerk at one point, but after how stacked his kit started to become, they decided to swap him over to Assassin instead.
I legitimately feel that he should be rated higher based on comparing to other assassins rather than the general pool of servants, he is simple the best assassin looper in the game and that should be highly evaluated.
@@tribopowertrue, Tezcatlipoca just flexes on other AoE Assassins easily. Especially when you consider most of the AoE Assassins minus welfares have been trash at farming. He could just be standard Jeanne Archer or Odysseus level. Nope, they decided to amp up more of his skills, and proceeds to thrash everyone easily. I'm also glad Tez is an Assassin because the class has been weak for far too long and they need a more muscle unit. Also the fun part about him being Anti-Ozymandias and Quetzalcoatl.
Shiki is basically a model DPS. She has everything you want from a main DD - offensive buffs, defence skill, at least 30 battery, some utility and an upgraded np. Not too flashy, just exactly what you need in a bossfight. Gives us coins Lasagnle! I want lvl120 knife wife!
@@lth_lch it's funny to me because a lot of events in na do take time to finish. Sometimes, two weeks won't be enough. Especially for me, since i have a job. But in jp, they have these 3 week events where you can finish it in 1 week and have basically 2 dead weeks.
@@lth_lch NP4 is a pretty good accomplishment for a new account since the event took so long to beat. I remember helping my brother out since he wasn't able to finish the event by himself due to it's lenght.
I haven't used him in months but early in my account I loved borrowing him, because it seemed like he could just devastate anyone without the dual protection of class advantage and a big bitch health pool, along with enough luck to avoid death.
@@andreicalegari1837 not sure about the numbers but I assume with proper supports his crits do more than a low np level. But in a solo with only his own buffs, I believe his np is better than crits
Tezcatlipoca is EX+, HOLY SHIT. I thought he was just Muramasa or Ryouma Lancer tier, but now that I look at his numbers more and how he synergizes well with the team (Double Tezcatlipoca is a legit comp, the Master skill boosts, NP batteries, and 80% overall Charisma, and viable on 90+ nodes). Holy shit, he just might be one of the best AoE Arts unit in the game. His only true weakness is lack of criticals and no, him being an Assassin isn't a true weakness, because even then, he would outshine any Arts units if he was in the different class. Well deserved for the second Grand Assassin.
Tezcat also offers the laziest and fastest farming system for normal 90 content. Slap any CE on your Tezcat and your favorite farmer with second append maxed, use the second skill on both Tezcats and use mystic code charge for your farmer. Any other skill is a surplus of damage if you aren't killing on turn 3, this system works with every dps in the entire game btw. If you don't have max append on your favorite dps you can also plugsuit Oberon for more turn 3 damage or use their own charge. Of course, it won't do the most damage like other comps, but hey, normal 90 content is easy and painless.
I always root for Kama to generally be in EX or EX+. Because one thing to consider about her is that she's one of few DPS servants that you could just borrow without owning one and still get immense milage. Her 3rd skill gets a lot of flack for not having better up time on the class advantage. But considering she hardly takes damage to begin with and at worst she's neutral when hitting Alter Egos like Knights already are, that skill puts a major feather in her cap as one of the most unique Assassins.
EX+ is considered as tier for servants who are account changing, ultimately making you play the game in a new different way. And I don't even agree on EX, it's only 80% on charm with lots of bosses having some kind of charm/mental debuff/general debuff resistance. If anything, Gramps should be EX with you taking him and getting immense milage, Kama is A+ at most
@@johnathanera5863 indeed. I see EX+ as Castoria stuff, so i agree that EX+ is too far for her. But she is strong enough to do anything on her own, be it solo or with a team (obviously i am not talking about farm). She can carry anything in a new account, infinite value for beginners, while also having overall more survival than gramps since we talked about him in this thread. Also, the other dude is kinda saying that she sucks if bosses don't get charmed, which is not true. Being immune to charm only allows them to play in a 1 - 1 turn ratio, otherwise she just steamrolls anything, even being one shot to NP or crazy crits, due to high damage + most reliable guts out there + heal + random charm + mystic code skill. Kama can solo CQs even with class disadvantage, like the Akihabara CQ. She has innate crit, atk and effectiveness buff and can sometimes loop by itself dependending on the foes, command codes and stuff. One more thing: she has NO BUFFS yet, which may change at some point and make her even more busted. I think it is far to say both her and Gramps are EX, but saying only one of those belong to EX is delusional and totally unfair. She even works with BOTH Skadis. Also, her ceiling is higher. If everything works for her, the enemy just won' t be able to "play" at all. If everything goes wrong, she is still hard to kill and can race the enemy with respectable damage and infinite self sustained crits.
@@Iagmed6580 I agree with you fully, she innately has the ability to ramp up Quick effectiveness and crits. It's often not considered that at worst she's merely slugging things out in a 1-1 turn ratio if her 80% charm fails, which is actually what every single servant in the game without stun built into their kit goes through anyway. Not to mention she's fully effective against one more class than every other Assassin in the game. 3 turns is plenty of time to go head-to-head with an Alter Ego, it's 3 turns more than any other Servant in the game who aren't Pretenders.
Found the channel Plushie talked about. It's called Let's build Hime's Castle Here or ここに姫路城を建てよう, for those who are interested in Hime soloing stuff in FGO.
If Regend was 3+ star with his skill set his would be one of the most busted Assassins in the entire game. For now using grails is the only way to make up for his low star rarity stats. I hope the class skills(or idk) that they'll implement in the future will fix the stat wise problems of low star servants.
I remember borrowing him once, grained to 90 or something, and I had a perfect skill, star, and brave chain setup and his those crits was the saddest thing I’ve seen playing this game. Seeing how pathetic that damage was made me cry. They did him so fucking dirty with his depressing stat line
His strength lies in his NP damage, especially when supported by the right Servants being able to reach even 400k damage on the 3rd turn of stacking only Skadi's buffs and his own and without BG, and even his crits at that point are no laughing matter thanks to Skadi. Even If he had 7000 base Atk, Jing Ke base atk, keeping it only at 3* stat line, I think he would be really scary...
It's such a goofy and niche case, but I actually think Stheno's Anti-Rider append and skillset means she can solo male Rider bosses pretty well. Especially if you get spooked enough to also get her extra attack append. The double charisma helps. I've always thought a fun buff for her would be to give the Divine trait to her allies and to the enemies, so she can enable Anti-Divine niches with a bonus 40% attack buff. For my other favourite Assassin on the list, so happy to see Chiyome rank highly. For some additional notes, her NP seal on skill 1 is really nice since Riders have such long gauges, you can get away with using her evade skill for the battery turn 1 and then still get it back up by the time they NP. She's also probably viable for solos due to curse stacking and consistent damage.
I feel like Sanson would immediately become A-tier if they went full support with him. He already has a heal and cleanse so make the two Special Attacks targettable and throw in some other bonus like a star bomb and he would become a good, F2P niche support.
As someone who made an account dedicated to try out and utilize Stheno I completely agree with Plushie that she's a why bother unit. If a boss is a charmable male she's really good and can potentially solo some with mighty chain. Outside of that she's a pretty ok divine support with totalling of 40% atk up 20% def down from the NP in terms of buffs, she can remove buff(the vampirism is a meme but it being above 25% is enough for Np turn 1 with MLB Sakura scope) and the np being red isn't as awkward now with mighty chain in team play. Like yeah, all those can be good if you bother but you can just not.
She and Eurylae are specialists in killing males, you bother when there's a male enemy you need to shut down fast, not for long fights. Their charm is the gimmick they need to get their NP ready, sadly it's not 100% so they end up being a meme character for the most part. Still, if you use them for male enemies, they are the best option for front row characters that you won't bother on getting killed fast after they do their job.
One thing that just hit me recently is that how those mana burst skill that tied with protection will be more viable if the enemy move first Like you know how after we use our servant skill and choose our card our servant will move first do all the damage and then the enemy will move, imagine if that were flipped and the enemy move first and kill our servant before our servant deal damage, then those skill will make more sense, maybe the dev thought of implementing pvp back then with those skills but scrapped the idea because people dislike pvp
I think the one good thing about Kerry is that he really only needs one buff. Unless the buff to his first skill is just a bog-standard (3 times, 3 turns) buff, he can easily become exceptional. His NP is amazing and his utility is fantastic: Pierce Invul/Def, Taunt, NP Drain, and Crit Chance Down. So all he really needs is a buff to that absolutely disgusting first skill and he'll be golden. They already buffed the other depresso Emiya's one turn buff, so my hope for this GOAT still remains strong.
I remember when Stheno used to be my main dps during early story of Part 1. I don't use her that much now. But in those few rare moments I do, I actually liked using her. She's fun to use.
Lasengle REALLY need to introduce strengthening quest that increase the amount of hit for servants. Those early quick hitcount numbers are just crippling.
This Kama fan certainly does appreciate Plushie's input! She is definitely EX; she is my go-to ST Servant. Not Assassin - Servant. I have brought her to boss battles, CQs, and even farming nodes when the opportunity or need to use an ST DPS. And of course for soloing like Plushie said. That last CQ for the Tower Event included Casters and she was still a unit of choice for dealing with it, solo or otherwise. Certainly she's not the only unit who can perform this well at a wide variety of roles, and I'm not going to blow smoke and says she's best in class at all of them, but she scores high enough and has enough flexibility that she can be used in an above-average variety of content and be expected to perform well. That is what makes her EX.
You know how Nero Summer has some buffs that stay on you desactivated until you have less than 50%? Evryone would like that from Hyde, but nope, you just lose one of the buffs.
Cleopatra being A showcases that not every AoE should be a farmer thanks to her great skills meant for challenge quests and even soloing. She's similar to Kingprotea and Barghest in that regard of weird AoE units who specializes in face card fights rather than pure farming.
Finally! Yan Qing went from being ignored and being in the C-B tier to finally A! I'm glad Myst finally realize the potential of Sassyshin aka Mr. Fister The NP buff alone is worth it, and since he's Quick, he could spam it for more critical damage up. He arguably has the highest crit damage potential among Assassins. There are even situations where I would pick him over Jack now.
As someone who has a 120 shu wen, I want to add that he’s a great nuker for raids, especially in guda raids where he has damage bonus. In addition, with the help of cc with his crit buff, he can hit 100k+ per face card. Also, his skills do have synergy, where s2 give stars and star absorb, and s1 is 100% crit up. With crit supports, he can hit like a truck with face cards for 1 turn. However as said, majority of his buff is 1 turn, and with his offensive buff on his defensive skill, so A+ is justified.
I was screaming "Woooooo" at around 2AM over here last night because of how freaking hype it was to see Tez go to EX+ onstream whilst so many other people were malding. Amazing list as always and am really excited to see how spicy next week's takes will get.
Okita Summer has a 43% chance to stun actually (her 17% debuff res passive), which IS pretty low. Asclepius' S1 completely can then neutralize her stun, which just makes her crazy good because her skills and NP are very good, they gave her stun just to balance her. Granted you need Asclepius, so I think A is good enough.
@@GachaLord Caster Gilles doesn't have one that pierces stun res, he just has a 500% chance to apply it on terror proc the "stuns" that ignore stun res are eg Jeanne's skill 3 and Medusa's mystic eyes also I believe the only way something can have SPECIFALLY stun resist or stun immunity are boss gimicks and 1 3* CE
@@xolotltolox7626 Interesting, they changed how "stuns" works for all 3 of them. However from what i've read Medusa and Jeanne's "stuns" are unique stuns (petrify and bound said the wiki) so thats probably why they ignore stun res. Only problem is that... They only really ignore well, stun resist, they dont actually ignore *debuff* res in general and *mental* debuff res. Just like how Gramps and that one 4* Rin CE gives 100% charm res but is useless vs every other debuffs. So yeah despite they do indeed ignore stun res, my original answer was that stun dont ignore *debuff* res(or mental debuff res), so i'm not wrong still. Also i'm very sure even a stun that has 500% success chance can still get guarded cuz i remember trying to stun Goetia with the plug suit years back and he guarded it and killed everyone.
Rather than a (normal) NP upgrade, I feel all King Hassan lacks is something to strip off or pierce defense/evade/invulnerabity. Makes little sense that all it takes to escape from the judgement of Azrael is a single evade -.-'
If mata hari gets an np buff making it 3 turns then she will have a great role as a damage amp support wih cc potential, buffon crits and keeping enemy defensee neutered would be a really unique place for her. The thing about kama is she's a quick boss killer, quick teams are, especially on na, in a dps race to kill the boss before they get killed due to lack of sustain, so kama's charm is far more valuable than if she was buster or arts becuase its crucial for quick teams to buy themselves as many free turns as possible
Critical damage up against poisoned enemies sound appealing for Serenity. Not a direct power mode, but still something you may take good advantage of. It's such a tragedy though. I love her, her kit is perfect for her, but she is sooooooo outclassed... I'm glad she at least got that Arts buff if that's the last thing they are willing to give her.
Tezcatlipoca actually outdamages S. Ibuki in almost every scenario if you are willing to be a little slower (two Castoria NPs and having all 3 damage buffs or scaling better with Oberon vs S. Ibuki relying on BG for NP damage)
Yep, unlike Da Vinci, his battery is so high he could guarantee a Castoria NPs as early as Turn 2. His NP battery utilities alone makes him EX+, it gives so much flexibility and open up possibilities in every comps, on top of being an already grand DPS.
Even though I don't play this game anymore it makes me so happy seeing my favorite Regend get good rankings. I love him so much, and even if his stats aren't the greatest, his skills are so cracked that with grails he can solve problems other units with much better stats but more difficult skills to use cannot. It's been too long to remember the exact fight, but I remember first trying it with Kojiro and being like "Wow that was fun, this seemed like a great fight perfectly fit for his skillset" and then proceeded to look in discords and see dozens of people malding over the fight despite using grailed NP5 Kamas and JackRippers. It was the best moment I had in this game and one of the few I remember fondly
I started using Kiritsugu for all CQs toward the end of last year (I've uploaded the runs on my channel), and people criminally underrate how good he is. Like, yeah his NP gain isn't good and his NP doesn't auto loop like someone like Summer Saber, but in a CQ you can use facecards and support skills to get refund, and since Kerry can make crit stars he can get even more NP gain with crits. I am usually able to get an NP off with him every 2 or 3 turns, sometimes back to back turns with good card rng or support skills coming off cooldown. If you combine the NP drain on his NP with someone like Tamamo, who can give him refund, skill CD reduction, and has a drain skill herself, it's enough to basically keep bosses from ever using their NP off of natural charge per turn. Couple that with defense ignore on his NP and a 3 turn ignore invuln skill, and his kit lets him negate 2 of the biggest hurdles in many boss fights (NPs and evade/invuln), giving you much more freedom in selecting supports and CEs. His taunt skill is also way better than people give it credit for. You know how much people rave about taunt CEs like Gudaguda poster girl and how amazing being able to give taunt to anyone is? What if you could use that CE on a 5 turn cooldown on whoever you want, whenever you want, and not have it be tied to a CE slot? Seriously, the flexibility of this skill is crazy and I don't get why people seem to just write it off. The only caveat to all this is that my Kerry is NP5, and I do understand for this list he's thought to be NP1. But even then, Kerry plays the slow game, so I think even at lower NP levels he would still be a very good main DPS for challenge content. If you have him at higher NP levels, I honestly think he's better than Shiki.
It's more about rng mechanics imo. You need at least 3 characters, and either you go with 2 self destruct characters to get the most of Kerry soloing a cq or depend on having 5 card of the other 2 characters. And that has happened to me a lot.
Really interested in this class been waiting for this one. First PS: Jing Ke is a tragedy, I love the character, drunk women are great, but her cards are underwhelming hope she gets a summer version. A lot of gacha games I have played remade every low rarity character to make it somewhat useful, hope they eventually do this, at least improve they face cards. Second PS: Man, I still don't understand why they haven't buffed more Okada... He's so popular and they love him quite a lot, if his buffs where longer he would pretty legit. Third PS: another tragedy Kiritsugu, one of my favorites males in the franchise but his skills are baaaad, hope he gets more buffs specially to his mana burst, why it's not a 3 turns it baffles me, if he also get an NP damage would be awesome. Fourth PS: Ushi summer can loop with Skadi ruler but it's not pretty, but I am so happy that she can farm now! One other thing I would love Lasagna do is to add more than 1 np for servants, if she had a single target Np oh boy... I'm drooling thinking about it.
My man Yan Qing made it to the A tier. When I started the game he was still meme material and because of that I left him undeservedly at lv. 1 for a long time but he's so much better now. And very fun to use, there's just something about punching everything into oblivion, I don't know. Unfortunately for him I got MHX eventually, who gets absolute priority of usage, but I still love the guy.
People saying that Hundred Hassan's 3rd skill being good are crazy. Hard to use in team comps. It should have been a disengage, it's the better skill. Although it heals less, it removes all of your debuffs instead of buffs, and has better cooldown on top of that.
Osakabehime was my first SSR Assassin, she’s definitely fallen off though. Her second skill needs to be buffed to help her keep up. If it were up to me, just add a %10 party charge to the skill to help herself get her NP faster (the person she targets would get %30 in total) as well as adding a targetable %20 Quick up and 20% NP damage up. All those buffs on top of what she already has on the skill would be very generous for a 5 turn CD, but she deserves it come on. Or another idea, you could turn her into a quick support that actually has sustain. Imagine if she granted the party an on crit heal effect. That would finally give Quick teams some staying power on top of her NP. It’s insane that we still don’t have a Quick support like that after nearly 8 years
In an ironic way, OG Skadi is now seen as the defensive Quick support by default cause of her NP and since Summer Skadi just went full offense for Quicks with the bonus that she decided to get Osakabehime dual Buster-Quick schtick. It is sad that Osakabehime is slowly getting obsolete and the things she does have, is now taken by Summer Skadi as well.
for the ones in chat that were wondering: All the summer valks have the same 3rd append, unlike the mecha liz's where mk1 is anti lancer and mk2 is anti saber
The only hate he's getting is from his Arts. If people suck it up to even bother to look at his Skills, then they'd most likely willing to let that slide
@@ShiraFuyu2022 I have seen people on tumblr aying that Tez doesn't deserve to be popular (or getting the attention he gets) because of his artwork. What the actual fuck. My only complaint is the overall design, but I love the artstyle and colouring. I know that first impressions are important and art do make a big impression, but after seeing his dialogue in my room, I grew very fond of him. Bond 5 he gives us chocolate and says he's "spoiling us". Thanks Tez. Love you too.
Assassins have definitely developed across the years in the game, it used to be the weakest most irredeemable class, but after many buffs, meta shifts, and new great additions, it is def a respectful class right now, it still has long ways to go specially when compared to casters, but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel
Man, i wish they just give a stat boost for bond ces. Like a 2 k hp and 2 k attack stat for bond ces. Then it makes it worth grinding for and it would help my bond 12 level 90 regend
Bond farming needs an urgent upgrade. You can farm it to lvl 15 but there's not much merit in doing so. Also only a bunch of character's CE are good enough to bother farming bond up to lvl 10.
Everyone's talking about their character's abilities, but I'm here to watch Regend be given his right treatment with an A. My boy Sasaki Kojirou making up there next to the higher stars with goated skills, moves, and crappy stats.
Here's a buff idea for Summer Scathach: self Skill cool-down by 1 turn + self 30-50% NP gen up for 3 turns on her NP. That way, she can manage her 1 turn skills a bit better. I don't think it would be broken either, just a nice way to make her play faster.
I think Kama's placement in EX is certainly fair but not talking about her synergy with Douman is weird considering they are both quick and make for a super strong multicore team that can tackle literally all content in the game granted you have another good support like castoria or skadi
It's Oberon all over again lol. Everyone were shitting on him until the big twist. Not me though, loved him at first sight (some friend even made fun of me 🙃). I knew the purpose behind the artstyle given LB6 being around faeries. Tez though, I was unsure about him (As someone who doesn't like mecha, I just don't like his 1st and 2dn asc NP), but not enough to shit on him. After reading his my room dialog, I grew to love the man.
EX+ on Tezcatlipoca. How does he compare to other top tier Arts 5* farmers for each class? Muramasa - better ramp up, ignore invincibility every loop, and has more defenses. Muramasa has better criticals. Tez W Summer Jeanne - also has the same trifecta as her. the thing is, he can apply 40% ATK Up on him while Summer Jeanne can't. Summer Jeanne loops easier tho. Tez W Ryouma Lancer - same NP damage ramp up, otherwise, no shot LMAO. Ryouma Lancer's advantage is better defenses. Tez W Da Vinci - similar partywide battery but Tez's damage just ramps up more while Da Vinci is kinda static. Tez W Murasaki - Murasaki has more hits on her NP, otherwise, no shot LMAO. Tez W Ibuki - his notable competition, Ibuki got better coverage while Tez offers better utilities and support. Ibuki W Space Ishtar - his true competition. Tez has anti-invincibility, special damage vs x units, better Charisma, and can have trifecta instantly without RNG. Space Ishtar is just on the better class. Tez W Summer Kama - a weird case since Tez and Summer Kama don't really have something in common with each other compared to other top-tier Arts famers, Summer Kama is straightforward yet effective, she has less numbers overall for her buffs but her natural stats are high and her being in the better class. Tez just offers more variety. Tie Kiara Alter Ego - both have anti-invincibility but while Kiara's powers is from her debuffs which only sticks for a certain wave, Tez can bring his offenses on every turn. Tez W Summer Kiara - same as Kiara AE in her being more debuff-oriented. The Tez train still goes up and up, while Summer Kiara has a slightly better class damage modifier on neutral. Tez W Hokusai - Hokusai has more hits on her NP, otherwise, no shot LMAO. Tez W Damn..... Tezcatlipoca just outshines almost every Arts AoE units in the game.
It's worth noting that Tez still has his special damage mods that rarely get talked about because he's already busted without them. Super large foes are very common on 90+ node and beyond, especially on wave 2. Divine is also a common trait. He can also guarantee two Castoria NPs with no RNG involved if you want more damage. So I would argue that he still smokes Summer Kama. Only Ibuki Summer could be said to be better than him damage-wise but like you said, he offers more utilities and support, which is especially important since dual core teams are often used nowadays.
And then you look at damage spreadsheet,where he is outmatched in damage by:habetrot,summer valkyries,Summer ibuki,spishtar,kama,iyo,rasputin.Yeah,outshines almost everyone,lol.And who cares about invul and survival if talk about farming?Koyan top tier for buster farm,so she deserve ex+,but this abomination(artwise,gameplaywise he good for sure) not even close,his place in ex with summer valk,who closest in term of damage with him,except turn 3,but outshines him in np gain.
@@MystFGO that's true, even still, the Assassin class needed someone like him since the class has been known to have poor to mediocre loopers outside the welfares. I thought he would just be a good SSR AoE unit but they went and beyond with the first sun god.
@@astridparungao4971 If the abomination is the only thing you see in my comment,its only means you are tezca fanatic and you wont even try to listen other opinions about him. By the way abomination thing was about his art design,you would see that,if you read my previous comment a little furhter.
I would argue that Stheno could be put into B Tier of you use her with Melt Lancer, or Caren. Both of them are Divine so they benefit from her 40% Att Buff AND because both of them have a NP Drain on one of their skills they can even make use of her free NP gauge from Vampirism. Though C+ is probably fair for a no Damage NP.
Paracelsus seems better in that regard with his 20% arts and 50% np gain and self battery for the drain for melt lancer. Might be good for caren though.
Jekyll might not need a damaging NP to succeed as Hyde. If one or more of his skills had a buff that could use his NP bar for something (5% drain per hit to buff crits, buster, or Anti-Good or Humanoid damage mod, for instance), then he might be viable as a card-focused DPS.
Funny thing about jing ke is that, you use her with mash and hans and you're all set. Even mash and castoria works or mash and merlin but if you pair her with skadi, it's kinda good damage wise but overall performance drops.
@@naiRISE766 probably yeah, tho I'm not comparing her with other assassins but rather her performance with skadi vs other support and I personally like her paired with asclepius as well than skadi. In other words unless it's a double skadi, Jing ke is much better with other general support.
@Fariz Ahmad not every character is good with Mash. Mash is good alone in the most part, and you won't bring her for her support but for her survivality and potential of taking the hard hitting of bosses. There are very few characters that benefit frome her support, because she will take the blunt as well as the NP charge from hit taken. That's why I'll agree Jing Ke is good with Mash rather than 100 faces, even though 100 is far better as a whole.
@@Syokool good point. With 100 face's demerit, def and atk buff from mash would be strip. While Jing ke needed all the def and atk buff she could get from her teammate. Could not say tho who between these two dps with completely different playstyle has better synergy with mash. One thing I knew for sure is that I find it funny how I feel more comfortable running Jing ke with hans, merlin or castoria rather than skadi when skadi is atm the premier quick support.
Tez is hella strong no one can deny this, but if he doesn't revolutionize everything like Koyan or Melusine who have the 2 NPs or heracles who's free and can carry your ass way too much , he's completely busted and a easy EX, if you consider ibuki summer to be EX+ then I can understand why you'll put him at the same place
Serenity, Shuten and OG Tam together make a hilarious poison team. Serenity has 5 turn poison/toxic on a 4 turn CD, so there's some overlap. Between 2 stacks of S2, maybe 2-3 stacks from S3, 1-2 stacks from her NP, maybe some command codes and then whatever you get from Shuten's NP, you can easily see 30k+ poison ticks. Unfortunately it's still a meme though, and Tam doesn't have any hard defense, so you can't use it against Riders either. But it's funny to use against neutral classes sometimes.
Hey Myst this was a really great tier list, however I noticed you misinterpreted something about Phantom’s kit which is very important. You see his 6 turn %50 debuff resistance down is actually a buff for Bradamante’s stun success chance. That is all he’s good for (: Fucking buff Brad 🤬
This makes you wonder how the heck tamamo (caster) was ever able to be non-limited. Yeah she ain't no castoria, but if she were to be released now or last year or so, she 100% would have been limited.
I always watch the full stream when I can, on 2x, but still, love the series, specially this year with Plushie showing up, company is always nice. This time I pretty much agree with everything, I just might be a little biased with Shiki and have her on A+. It's funny how in many other classes we had so many servants in A+ and EX, and for this one most were in A. Also lasagna please buff Gu-chan and Kerry, I like them so much. And lastly, do you think the addition of the new system that will buff classes (I forgot the name of it, but iirc it will come alongside the collab right?) will "unbalance" the tier lists made after it's release (if it actually comes with the arcade collab)? I'm really excited for the new system, specially since we don't know how sizeable it's impact will be, there's this mystery to it.
I got spooked by Osakabehime TWICE IN A WEEK ON THE SAME BANNER which was Malter. I ended up using her as a substitute for merlin sort of, but need to equip kscope on her tho for instant access to her NP. Now that I actually got Merlin & Skadi I never really use her anymore. Which is kinda sad but ehh.. B+ is fair I guess.. Also Semiramis buff removal resist was useful during Odyseus CQ fight in aeaea event 😂
imo the fact that Jack can still be called B+ with such an awful kit doesn't go to show she's outdated, it goes to show how well she's stood the test of time. Her raw star gen carries her so hard that with one of the most year 1 kits ever she is still a solid pick because nobody gives you stars like she does.
Stheno was my primary assassin until Jack spooked me 3 months into the game... BTW, about that 27% battery - just think of it this way, it's a 20% battery at skill level 4 so with a Kscope she can NP turn 1 with no mat investment, and 25% at skill level 9 which means with a MLB IE she can NP turn 1 without any Lore investment. I don't have any issues with that!
Well, most of my favourite assassins are in EX(+). This completely validates my opinions, making this list objectively correct. Jackie really does need a tune up.
1:19:45 When would I use Stheno? As a support for Ridertoki exactly against a Caster/Zerker raid boss that really wants to be killed in one hit. Which is exactly how I used her.
Summer Nito is unfortunate, but if you're fighting gold enemies, you can actually somewhat get away with using her for loop farming. She can refund off 2 enemies if she gets enough overkill hits in. It's not going to be 100% reliable though, so I wouldn't recommend using her too much, but if you just gotta farm a Rider node a few times she can do the job. Might also be worth mentioning that mine is NP1, so if you have higher NP levels you might get more consistent overkill hits
Good defense and a fine spamable np. Honestly she should have been atleast a Lil higher I agree. Hope they give her a buff that hits a niche and maybe fix her np insta kill by reducing the instant kill proc %
@@Conkel They can just update every instant kill NP to proc after damage, considering how most modern servants with instant kill NP does it after damage unlike those older servants.
Don't you love all the different good, arts & buster looping assassins? as someone who is still trying to get Skadi, it's a bless to have so many options for my NA account!!!
im so sad about summer nito, its so stupid that one single thing can ruin a good amount of usage for her, bc i really like her if lasagna ever buff her i just wish they make that stupid insta-kill after damage on her np like nito has in her avenger version i want to use her more, but really mostly can only on gold enemies cos IK doesnt exist there, but... ugh i just want to use different servants and not only my np6 davinki on everything :(
2:23:34 Yeah that is biased placement because she is hard to use with her terrible demerits (even as a dps) . And i think shiki should be on the same tier as Hundred faces because of her great skill set. Corday should also be a bit above because she does have built in Defense ignore and Pierce invul in her skills. Overall very good Tier List, Keep it up bro
Summer Okita is fine in that tier. Her skill demerits are largely a minor inconvenience in a team context, her RNG stun can be mitigated with Mirror of Eight Leaves, and compared to the other AOE 4 star Assassins (excluding the welfares), she doesn't hit like a wet noodle.
@@DragonFalconFGO It's true that her NP does hit hard but the problem is team building. Her skill one removes a defensive buff from her and Skill 3 lowers defense. Doesn't look tanky enough! . Every time she uses her NP she needs that CC Card on that turn (That's hard to do it on every turn). Even if you bring some servant to save her from the stun you will be losing the opportunity to bring another Support. Also I think a NP5 Kiichi Hogen almost does the same damage(With no demrits) as NP4 Okita j; Gray also seems to be a better option(Outdamage her) . Okita J could be a B+ at best i think. Edit: Ik you said excluding the welfare but as myst said in the video with the new jp campaign they are bringing back Welfares so they all will be available soon in shop and it's not like there are many 4 Star non welfare AOE assassin to compare her with.
@@taigafgo Team building is not an issue at all, you just need to cast her S1 before casting whatever defense buffs you have, and the defense demerits on S3 only matter when it peaks at 50% which can be mitigated thanks to her S2, at 10% and 30% it really doesn't matter at all so much. And if you happen to be unlucky, you can always put her NP at the end of the chain so she can still deal damage with the first 2 face cards. This is also just assuming if you happen to draw the face cards needed to do a brave chain, which will not be happening 100% of the time. Also Mirror of Eight Leaves lasts 2 turns, not one so no she does not need to draw that face card on the turn she's about to NP. And her face card damage is also a lot stronger than both Gray and Kiichi despite having a weaker NP because of her S1 in addition to having a very easy time generating stars and filling up her NP.
@@DragonFalconFGO Thanks for the fast reply. I haven't used her much but after your explanation it seems like she is *usable* but then again it also shows her setup being pretty restricted. Edit : Yeah she still doesn't seem to be A tier material
@@taigafgo The only thing "restrictive" about her is the RNG NP stun, the other demerits do not even matter that much. Like you said, you don't even use her that much and have always been going by your feelings, but I have tested her extensively and used her a lot so I know her potential.
I'm using my anni ticket in July on Li Shuwen. Was gonna use it on waver but I got him. Then was gonna use it on Ozy but I got him. >.< So I finally get to get Li.
I've always had a hard time building an "optimized" Kama team for some reason. I understand the gameplan is to spam her NP in order to stack her Quick buffs & Charm the opponent. Can I get anyone's feedback on the following generalized comp for Kama? 1) For Craft Essence: Black Grail or Princess' Pilgrimage? Her NP damage significantly drops with Princess' Pilgrimage, but I start of swinging faster. 2) For Support: Double Skadi, Skadi & Koyanskaya or Skadi & Castoria? I also tried Douman, but she spammed her NP a lot less frequently, so I dropped him. Please offer me an explaination so I could better understand why I'm having such a hard time figuring out Kama. My copy is NP 2 and I try my best to maximize damage while also spamming her NP as often as possible. If you could direct me to any videos that give an in-depth explaination on how to team-build arround her, I'd appreciate it.
Tez being EX+ just amplifies the cult even more. All for the glory of WHOOOOOOOO!!!
I can hear it damn
Woo
One thing about Jekyll & Hyde's "buff" that wasn't mentioned is that if you use the skill for the battery then turn to Hyde, he keeps Jekyll's shitty crit damage value instead of his buffed one. So in that case he humorously is "nerfed" if you rush Hyde out
It really should be a check per turn instead of a snapshot
Koyan: Being the Top because she made Buster 3 Turn Consistently with high Damage
Tez: getting gimped by his Class because if he was an Avenger or Berserker he'd make every other Loopers Moot more than Ibuki does
If tez was berserker, he wouldn't have this much steroid lol, that's game balancing for you
@@user-tb4zj8sp1k Precisely the point.
He probably was a Zerk at one point, but after how stacked his kit started to become, they decided to swap him over to Assassin instead.
I legitimately feel that he should be rated higher based on comparing to other assassins rather than the general pool of servants, he is simple the best assassin looper in the game and that should be highly evaluated.
@@tribopowertrue, Tezcatlipoca just flexes on other AoE Assassins easily. Especially when you consider most of the AoE Assassins minus welfares have been trash at farming. He could just be standard Jeanne Archer or Odysseus level.
Nope, they decided to amp up more of his skills, and proceeds to thrash everyone easily. I'm also glad Tez is an Assassin because the class has been weak for far too long and they need a more muscle unit. Also the fun part about him being Anti-Ozymandias and Quetzalcoatl.
@@astridparungao4971 Agree 100%
Shiki is basically a model DPS. She has everything you want from a main DD - offensive buffs, defence skill, at least 30 battery, some utility and an upgraded np. Not too flashy, just exactly what you need in a bossfight.
Gives us coins Lasagnle! I want lvl120 knife wife!
praise the knife wife!
shit, make her available like they're doing with kintoki too, my shiki's still np4 because I couldn't finish her event when I was still new
@@lth_lch it's funny to me because a lot of events in na do take time to finish. Sometimes, two weeks won't be enough. Especially for me, since i have a job. But in jp, they have these 3 week events where you can finish it in 1 week and have basically 2 dead weeks.
@@lth_lch THIS. After getting the golden Rider all my leaves have been saved up for her and Chloe.
@@lth_lch NP4 is a pretty good accomplishment for a new account since the event took so long to beat.
I remember helping my brother out since he wasn't able to finish the event by himself due to it's lenght.
King Hassan’s NP is basically a stronger face card for him to use 😂
I haven't used him in months but early in my account I loved borrowing him, because it seemed like he could just devastate anyone without the dual protection of class advantage and a big bitch health pool, along with enough luck to avoid death.
@@Omniseed he *is* death
actually no, because it can't crit
@@andreicalegari1837 it deals higher damage than any crit though.
@@andreicalegari1837 not sure about the numbers but I assume with proper supports his crits do more than a low np level. But in a solo with only his own buffs, I believe his np is better than crits
Tezcatlipoca is EX+, HOLY SHIT.
I thought he was just Muramasa or Ryouma Lancer tier, but now that I look at his numbers more and how he synergizes well with the team (Double Tezcatlipoca is a legit comp, the Master skill boosts, NP batteries, and 80% overall Charisma, and viable on 90+ nodes). Holy shit, he just might be one of the best AoE Arts unit in the game. His only true weakness is lack of criticals and no, him being an Assassin isn't a true weakness, because even then, he would outshine any Arts units if he was in the different class.
Well deserved for the second Grand Assassin.
Myst, I just want to say you're an absolute legend for doing all of this work. Thank you for your hard work on these tier lists + the time stamps!
RIP Plushie... Taken by Camilla too soon before his time... But not forgotten~♡! @4:02:20
Tezcat also offers the laziest and fastest farming system for normal 90 content.
Slap any CE on your Tezcat and your favorite farmer with second append maxed, use the second skill on both Tezcats and use mystic code charge for your farmer.
Any other skill is a surplus of damage if you aren't killing on turn 3, this system works with every dps in the entire game btw.
If you don't have max append on your favorite dps you can also plugsuit Oberon for more turn 3 damage or use their own charge.
Of course, it won't do the most damage like other comps, but hey, normal 90 content is easy and painless.
I always root for Kama to generally be in EX or EX+. Because one thing to consider about her is that she's one of few DPS servants that you could just borrow without owning one and still get immense milage. Her 3rd skill gets a lot of flack for not having better up time on the class advantage. But considering she hardly takes damage to begin with and at worst she's neutral when hitting Alter Egos like Knights already are, that skill puts a major feather in her cap as one of the most unique Assassins.
EX+ is considered as tier for servants who are account changing, ultimately making you play the game in a new different way. And I don't even agree on EX, it's only 80% on charm with lots of bosses having some kind of charm/mental debuff/general debuff resistance. If anything, Gramps should be EX with you taking him and getting immense milage, Kama is A+ at most
@@Schwibzik absolutely not lol. Kama can easily do anything gramps can do. If not better. If gramps is account changing so is kama.
@@johnathanera5863 .i have both and i still have a hard time deciding between them (both np1). i just cannot see one being EX and the other not.
@@johnathanera5863 indeed. I see EX+ as Castoria stuff, so i agree that EX+ is too far for her. But she is strong enough to do anything on her own, be it solo or with a team (obviously i am not talking about farm). She can carry anything in a new account, infinite value for beginners, while also having overall more survival than gramps since we talked about him in this thread. Also, the other dude is kinda saying that she sucks if bosses don't get charmed, which is not true. Being immune to charm only allows them to play in a 1 - 1 turn ratio, otherwise she just steamrolls anything, even being one shot to NP or crazy crits, due to high damage + most reliable guts out there + heal + random charm + mystic code skill. Kama can solo CQs even with class disadvantage, like the Akihabara CQ. She has innate crit, atk and effectiveness buff and can sometimes loop by itself dependending on the foes, command codes and stuff. One more thing: she has NO BUFFS yet, which may change at some point and make her even more busted.
I think it is far to say both her and Gramps are EX, but saying only one of those belong to EX is delusional and totally unfair. She even works with BOTH Skadis. Also, her ceiling is higher. If everything works for her, the enemy just won' t be able to "play" at all. If everything goes wrong, she is still hard to kill and can race the enemy with respectable damage and infinite self sustained crits.
@@Iagmed6580 I agree with you fully, she innately has the ability to ramp up Quick effectiveness and crits. It's often not considered that at worst she's merely slugging things out in a 1-1 turn ratio if her 80% charm fails, which is actually what every single servant in the game without stun built into their kit goes through anyway. Not to mention she's fully effective against one more class than every other Assassin in the game. 3 turns is plenty of time to go head-to-head with an Alter Ego, it's 3 turns more than any other Servant in the game who aren't Pretenders.
Found the channel Plushie talked about. It's called Let's build Hime's Castle Here or ここに姫路城を建てよう, for those who are interested in Hime soloing stuff in FGO.
If Regend was 3+ star with his skill set his would be one of the most busted Assassins in the entire game.
For now using grails is the only way to make up for his low star rarity stats.
I hope the class skills(or idk) that they'll implement in the future will fix the stat wise problems of low star servants.
he would be the assassin version of honako green cu
I remember borrowing him once, grained to 90 or something, and I had a perfect skill, star, and brave chain setup and his those crits was the saddest thing I’ve seen playing this game. Seeing how pathetic that damage was made me cry. They did him so fucking dirty with his depressing stat line
His strength lies in his NP damage, especially when supported by the right Servants being able to reach even 400k damage on the 3rd turn of stacking only Skadi's buffs and his own and without BG, and even his crits at that point are no laughing matter thanks to Skadi.
Even If he had 7000 base Atk, Jing Ke base atk, keeping it only at 3* stat line, I think he would be really scary...
I have a friend with 102 lvl one. Stronk.
It's such a goofy and niche case, but I actually think Stheno's Anti-Rider append and skillset means she can solo male Rider bosses pretty well. Especially if you get spooked enough to also get her extra attack append. The double charisma helps. I've always thought a fun buff for her would be to give the Divine trait to her allies and to the enemies, so she can enable Anti-Divine niches with a bonus 40% attack buff.
For my other favourite Assassin on the list, so happy to see Chiyome rank highly. For some additional notes, her NP seal on skill 1 is really nice since Riders have such long gauges, you can get away with using her evade skill for the battery turn 1 and then still get it back up by the time they NP. She's also probably viable for solos due to curse stacking and consistent damage.
I feel like Sanson would immediately become A-tier if they went full support with him. He already has a heal and cleanse so make the two Special Attacks targettable and throw in some other bonus like a star bomb and he would become a good, F2P niche support.
As someone who made an account dedicated to try out and utilize Stheno I completely agree with Plushie that she's a why bother unit.
If a boss is a charmable male she's really good and can potentially solo some with mighty chain.
Outside of that she's a pretty ok divine support with totalling of 40% atk up 20% def down from the NP in terms of buffs, she can remove buff(the vampirism is a meme but it being above 25% is enough for Np turn 1 with MLB Sakura scope) and the np being red isn't as awkward now with mighty chain in team play.
Like yeah, all those can be good if you bother but you can just not.
She and Eurylae are specialists in killing males, you bother when there's a male enemy you need to shut down fast, not for long fights.
Their charm is the gimmick they need to get their NP ready, sadly it's not 100% so they end up being a meme character for the most part.
Still, if you use them for male enemies, they are the best option for front row characters that you won't bother on getting killed fast after they do their job.
Plus she can make actually decent damage to Rider enemies thanks to her append
These videos get me through work. Makes working a lot more fun and helps me focus on tasks
One thing that just hit me recently is that how those mana burst skill that tied with protection will be more viable if the enemy move first
Like you know how after we use our servant skill and choose our card our servant will move first do all the damage and then the enemy will move, imagine if that were flipped and the enemy move first and kill our servant before our servant deal damage, then those skill will make more sense, maybe the dev thought of implementing pvp back then with those skills but scrapped the idea because people dislike pvp
I think the one good thing about Kerry is that he really only needs one buff. Unless the buff to his first skill is just a bog-standard (3 times, 3 turns) buff, he can easily become exceptional. His NP is amazing and his utility is fantastic: Pierce Invul/Def, Taunt, NP Drain, and Crit Chance Down. So all he really needs is a buff to that absolutely disgusting first skill and he'll be golden. They already buffed the other depresso Emiya's one turn buff, so my hope for this GOAT still remains strong.
I remember when Stheno used to be my main dps during early story of Part 1.
I don't use her that much now. But in those few rare moments I do, I actually liked using her. She's fun to use.
plus hse has pretty cool animations
Lasengle REALLY need to introduce strengthening quest that increase the amount of hit for servants. Those early quick hitcount numbers are just crippling.
This Kama fan certainly does appreciate Plushie's input! She is definitely EX; she is my go-to ST Servant. Not Assassin - Servant. I have brought her to boss battles, CQs, and even farming nodes when the opportunity or need to use an ST DPS. And of course for soloing like Plushie said. That last CQ for the Tower Event included Casters and she was still a unit of choice for dealing with it, solo or otherwise.
Certainly she's not the only unit who can perform this well at a wide variety of roles, and I'm not going to blow smoke and says she's best in class at all of them, but she scores high enough and has enough flexibility that she can be used in an above-average variety of content and be expected to perform well. That is what makes her EX.
You know how Nero Summer has some buffs that stay on you desactivated until you have less than 50%? Evryone would like that from Hyde, but nope, you just lose one of the buffs.
Yeah checks would definitely be better than snapshots for Jekyll too
Cleopatra being A showcases that not every AoE should be a farmer thanks to her great skills meant for challenge quests and even soloing.
She's similar to Kingprotea and Barghest in that regard of weird AoE units who specializes in face card fights rather than pure farming.
Finally! Yan Qing went from being ignored and being in the C-B tier to finally A! I'm glad Myst finally realize the potential of Sassyshin aka Mr. Fister
The NP buff alone is worth it, and since he's Quick, he could spam it for more critical damage up. He arguably has the highest crit damage potential among Assassins. There are even situations where I would pick him over Jack now.
As someone who has a 120 shu wen, I want to add that he’s a great nuker for raids, especially in guda raids where he has damage bonus. In addition, with the help of cc with his crit buff, he can hit 100k+ per face card. Also, his skills do have synergy, where s2 give stars and star absorb, and s1 is 100% crit up. With crit supports, he can hit like a truck with face cards for 1 turn. However as said, majority of his buff is 1 turn, and with his offensive buff on his defensive skill, so A+ is justified.
I was screaming "Woooooo" at around 2AM over here last night because of how freaking hype it was to see Tez go to EX+ onstream whilst so many other people were malding.
Amazing list as always and am really excited to see how spicy next week's takes will get.
53:31 “obviously triple art would have been the dream, but they will probably never give that to an assassin” if only he knew
Definitely a WOOOO moment
Okita Summer has a 43% chance to stun actually (her 17% debuff res passive), which IS pretty low. Asclepius' S1 completely can then neutralize her stun, which just makes her crazy good because her skills and NP are very good, they gave her stun just to balance her. Granted you need Asclepius, so I think A is good enough.
iirc stun should ignore debuff res
@@MaouNobunaga unless specifically stated so like COOL guy Gilles, then no they dont ignore debuff res.
@@GachaLord Caster Gilles doesn't have one that pierces stun res, he just has a 500% chance to apply it on terror proc
the "stuns" that ignore stun res are eg Jeanne's skill 3 and Medusa's mystic eyes
also I believe the only way something can have SPECIFALLY stun resist or stun immunity are boss gimicks and 1 3* CE
@@xolotltolox7626 Interesting, they changed how "stuns" works for all 3 of them. However from what i've read Medusa and Jeanne's "stuns" are unique stuns (petrify and bound said the wiki) so thats probably why they ignore stun res. Only problem is that... They only really ignore well, stun resist, they dont actually ignore *debuff* res in general and *mental* debuff res. Just like how Gramps and that one 4* Rin CE gives 100% charm res but is useless vs every other debuffs.
So yeah despite they do indeed ignore stun res, my original answer was that stun dont ignore *debuff* res(or mental debuff res), so i'm not wrong still.
Also i'm very sure even a stun that has 500% success chance can still get guarded cuz i remember trying to stun Goetia with the plug suit years back and he guarded it and killed everyone.
Rather than a (normal) NP upgrade, I feel all King Hassan lacks is something to strip off or pierce defense/evade/invulnerabity.
Makes little sense that all it takes to escape from the judgement of Azrael is a single evade -.-'
Im just happy that my girl chiyome finally on the top (still not EX, but atleast A+). She is so underrated tbh.
Yep, she's been better than Shiki for a long time now, people need to realize it's not 2018 anymore, Chiyome > Shiki, Rider Liz > Kintoki.
If mata hari gets an np buff making it 3 turns then she will have a great role as a damage amp support wih cc potential, buffon crits and keeping enemy defensee neutered would be a really unique place for her.
The thing about kama is she's a quick boss killer, quick teams are, especially on na, in a dps race to kill the boss before they get killed due to lack of sustain, so kama's charm is far more valuable than if she was buster or arts becuase its crucial for quick teams to buy themselves as many free turns as possible
Critical damage up against poisoned enemies sound appealing for Serenity. Not a direct power mode, but still something you may take good advantage of. It's such a tragedy though. I love her, her kit is perfect for her, but she is sooooooo outclassed... I'm glad she at least got that Arts buff if that's the last thing they are willing to give her.
Tezcatlipoca actually outdamages S. Ibuki in almost every scenario if you are willing to be a little slower (two Castoria NPs and having all 3 damage buffs or scaling better with Oberon vs S. Ibuki relying on BG for NP damage)
Yep, unlike Da Vinci, his battery is so high he could guarantee a Castoria NPs as early as Turn 2.
His NP battery utilities alone makes him EX+, it gives so much flexibility and open up possibilities in every comps, on top of being an already grand DPS.
Even though I don't play this game anymore it makes me so happy seeing my favorite Regend get good rankings. I love him so much, and even if his stats aren't the greatest, his skills are so cracked that with grails he can solve problems other units with much better stats but more difficult skills to use cannot. It's been too long to remember the exact fight, but I remember first trying it with Kojiro and being like "Wow that was fun, this seemed like a great fight perfectly fit for his skillset" and then proceeded to look in discords and see dozens of people malding over the fight despite using grailed NP5 Kamas and JackRippers. It was the best moment I had in this game and one of the few I remember fondly
Was it the Odysseus fight by any chance?
now I'm kinda curious what fight you were referring to, could it have been the mnemosyne fight from the case files event?
I started using Kiritsugu for all CQs toward the end of last year (I've uploaded the runs on my channel), and people criminally underrate how good he is. Like, yeah his NP gain isn't good and his NP doesn't auto loop like someone like Summer Saber, but in a CQ you can use facecards and support skills to get refund, and since Kerry can make crit stars he can get even more NP gain with crits. I am usually able to get an NP off with him every 2 or 3 turns, sometimes back to back turns with good card rng or support skills coming off cooldown. If you combine the NP drain on his NP with someone like Tamamo, who can give him refund, skill CD reduction, and has a drain skill herself, it's enough to basically keep bosses from ever using their NP off of natural charge per turn. Couple that with defense ignore on his NP and a 3 turn ignore invuln skill, and his kit lets him negate 2 of the biggest hurdles in many boss fights (NPs and evade/invuln), giving you much more freedom in selecting supports and CEs.
His taunt skill is also way better than people give it credit for. You know how much people rave about taunt CEs like Gudaguda poster girl and how amazing being able to give taunt to anyone is? What if you could use that CE on a 5 turn cooldown on whoever you want, whenever you want, and not have it be tied to a CE slot? Seriously, the flexibility of this skill is crazy and I don't get why people seem to just write it off.
The only caveat to all this is that my Kerry is NP5, and I do understand for this list he's thought to be NP1. But even then, Kerry plays the slow game, so I think even at lower NP levels he would still be a very good main DPS for challenge content. If you have him at higher NP levels, I honestly think he's better than Shiki.
It's more about rng mechanics imo. You need at least 3 characters, and either you go with 2 self destruct characters to get the most of Kerry soloing a cq or depend on having 5 card of the other 2 characters.
And that has happened to me a lot.
Perfect beginning of my weekend with another tierlist❤
Was waiting for this!
We got some cool additions this year
Those japanese alter ego append really shows how they hate douman so much in the shimousa story chapter.
Nictocris is a great looper IF ONLY DEATH MECHANIC DOESN'T EXIST
They need to make death debuff a thing after the NP hit count, not before.
Tez being one of the most busted Assassin is so funny because he's literally the opposite of an Assassin lmao
Really interested in this class been waiting for this one.
First PS: Jing Ke is a tragedy, I love the character, drunk women are great, but her cards are underwhelming hope she gets a summer version.
A lot of gacha games I have played remade every low rarity character to make it somewhat useful, hope they eventually do this, at least improve they face cards.
Second PS: Man, I still don't understand why they haven't buffed more Okada... He's so popular and they love him quite a lot, if his buffs where longer he would pretty legit.
Third PS: another tragedy Kiritsugu, one of my favorites males in the franchise but his skills are baaaad, hope he gets more buffs specially to his mana burst, why it's not a 3 turns it baffles me, if he also get an NP damage would be awesome.
Fourth PS: Ushi summer can loop with Skadi ruler but it's not pretty, but I am so happy that she can farm now! One other thing I would love Lasagna do is to add more than 1 np for servants, if she had a single target Np oh boy... I'm drooling thinking about it.
My man Yan Qing made it to the A tier. When I started the game he was still meme material and because of that I left him undeservedly at lv. 1 for a long time but he's so much better now. And very fun to use, there's just something about punching everything into oblivion, I don't know.
Unfortunately for him I got MHX eventually, who gets absolute priority of usage, but I still love the guy.
Hey myst, just wanted to say that I like the style of your thumbnails on these tierlist. Keep it up man.
People saying that Hundred Hassan's 3rd skill being good are crazy. Hard to use in team comps. It should have been a disengage, it's the better skill. Although it heals less, it removes all of your debuffs instead of buffs, and has better cooldown on top of that.
To answer Myst’s question about why Mata Hari doesn’t have have PC, it’s because Espionage is a different version of that.
Osakabehime was my first SSR Assassin, she’s definitely fallen off though. Her second skill needs to be buffed to help her keep up.
If it were up to me, just add a %10 party charge to the skill to help herself get her NP faster (the person she targets would get %30 in total) as well as adding a targetable %20 Quick up and 20% NP damage up.
All those buffs on top of what she already has on the skill would be very generous for a 5 turn CD, but she deserves it come on.
Or another idea, you could turn her into a quick support that actually has sustain. Imagine if she granted the party an on crit heal effect. That would finally give Quick teams some staying power on top of her NP. It’s insane that we still don’t have a Quick support like that after nearly 8 years
In an ironic way, OG Skadi is now seen as the defensive Quick support by default cause of her NP and since Summer Skadi just went full offense for Quicks with the bonus that she decided to get Osakabehime dual Buster-Quick schtick.
It is sad that Osakabehime is slowly getting obsolete and the things she does have, is now taken by Summer Skadi as well.
Buffing Kerry:
First skill buff
Magecraft → Magus Killer
40% Arts up from 1 turn to 3 turns.
Gains Class advantage against Casters and Alter Egos.
for the ones in chat that were wondering: All the summer valks have the same 3rd append, unlike the mecha liz's where mk1 is anti lancer and mk2 is anti saber
Tezcat doesn't deserve the hate he gets so happy he got a high rating in the tier list
The only hate he's getting is from his Arts. If people suck it up to even bother to look at his Skills, then they'd most likely willing to let that slide
@@ShiraFuyu2022 I have seen people on tumblr aying that Tez doesn't deserve to be popular (or getting the attention he gets) because of his artwork. What the actual fuck. My only complaint is the overall design, but I love the artstyle and colouring.
I know that first impressions are important and art do make a big impression, but after seeing his dialogue in my room, I grew very fond of him. Bond 5 he gives us chocolate and says he's "spoiling us". Thanks Tez. Love you too.
@@shaktosh524
Do you know how popular Tezcatlipoca *IS* exactly?
All hail the WOOOOO man
4:09 “the legendary gatekeeper from ….”
From every anime fandom haha
dam i had no idea Tezca was that good. i feel like he kinda got over shadowed by a hydrogen bomb that came out...
Assassins have definitely developed across the years in the game, it used to be the weakest most irredeemable class, but after many buffs, meta shifts, and new great additions, it is def a respectful class right now, it still has long ways to go specially when compared to casters, but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel
I never thought Hassan of the Hundred Chads is a good servant but now i get it
Good lord i finally see the light!
They should have done Jekyl and Hyde like they did Melusine transformation. And maybe have Vlad SSR do something similar... @50:18
Man, i wish they just give a stat boost for bond ces. Like a 2 k hp and 2 k attack stat for bond ces. Then it makes it worth grinding for and it would help my bond 12 level 90 regend
Bond farming needs an urgent upgrade. You can farm it to lvl 15 but there's not much merit in doing so. Also only a bunch of character's CE are good enough to bother farming bond up to lvl 10.
Everyone's talking about their character's abilities, but I'm here to watch Regend be given his right treatment with an A. My boy Sasaki Kojirou making up there next to the higher stars with goated skills, moves, and crappy stats.
Time to see if King Hassan is in a similar tier as Kama. Thanks for the updated tierlist!
Here's a buff idea for Summer Scathach: self Skill cool-down by 1 turn + self 30-50% NP gen up for 3 turns on her NP.
That way, she can manage her 1 turn skills a bit better. I don't think it would be broken either, just a nice way to make her play faster.
I think Kama's placement in EX is certainly fair but not talking about her synergy with Douman is weird considering they are both quick and make for a super strong multicore team that can tackle literally all content in the game granted you have another good support like castoria or skadi
I stay up on the weekends to wait for these to drop 👍🏼
I'm saving for kyoanskaya of light nice to see that she is op as F
I love how at first, everyone absolutely TRASHED on Tez. Now, everyone's just WOOOOOOOOO
Everyone? Guess no i like that guy since he was appear in lb7 no one trashtalk about his kit tho the ascend 2 maybe.
It's Oberon all over again lol. Everyone were shitting on him until the big twist. Not me though, loved him at first sight (some friend even made fun of me 🙃). I knew the purpose behind the artstyle given LB6 being around faeries.
Tez though, I was unsure about him (As someone who doesn't like mecha, I just don't like his 1st and 2dn asc NP), but not enough to shit on him. After reading his my room dialog, I grew to love the man.
EX+ on Tezcatlipoca. How does he compare to other top tier Arts 5* farmers for each class?
Muramasa - better ramp up, ignore invincibility every loop, and has more defenses. Muramasa has better criticals. Tez W
Summer Jeanne - also has the same trifecta as her. the thing is, he can apply 40% ATK Up on him while Summer Jeanne can't. Summer Jeanne loops easier tho. Tez W
Ryouma Lancer - same NP damage ramp up, otherwise, no shot LMAO. Ryouma Lancer's advantage is better defenses. Tez W
Da Vinci - similar partywide battery but Tez's damage just ramps up more while Da Vinci is kinda static. Tez W
Murasaki - Murasaki has more hits on her NP, otherwise, no shot LMAO. Tez W
Ibuki - his notable competition, Ibuki got better coverage while Tez offers better utilities and support. Ibuki W
Space Ishtar - his true competition. Tez has anti-invincibility, special damage vs x units, better Charisma, and can have trifecta instantly without RNG. Space Ishtar is just on the better class. Tez W
Summer Kama - a weird case since Tez and Summer Kama don't really have something in common with each other compared to other top-tier Arts famers, Summer Kama is straightforward yet effective, she has less numbers overall for her buffs but her natural stats are high and her being in the better class. Tez just offers more variety. Tie
Kiara Alter Ego - both have anti-invincibility but while Kiara's powers is from her debuffs which only sticks for a certain wave, Tez can bring his offenses on every turn. Tez W
Summer Kiara - same as Kiara AE in her being more debuff-oriented. The Tez train still goes up and up, while Summer Kiara has a slightly better class damage modifier on neutral. Tez W
Hokusai - Hokusai has more hits on her NP, otherwise, no shot LMAO. Tez W
Damn..... Tezcatlipoca just outshines almost every Arts AoE units in the game.
He really is mostly just held down by the Assassin class really
It's worth noting that Tez still has his special damage mods that rarely get talked about because he's already busted without them. Super large foes are very common on 90+ node and beyond, especially on wave 2. Divine is also a common trait. He can also guarantee two Castoria NPs with no RNG involved if you want more damage. So I would argue that he still smokes Summer Kama.
Only Ibuki Summer could be said to be better than him damage-wise but like you said, he offers more utilities and support, which is especially important since dual core teams are often used nowadays.
And then you look at damage spreadsheet,where he is outmatched in damage by:habetrot,summer valkyries,Summer ibuki,spishtar,kama,iyo,rasputin.Yeah,outshines almost everyone,lol.And who cares about invul and survival if talk about farming?Koyan top tier for buster farm,so she deserve ex+,but this abomination(artwise,gameplaywise he good for sure)
not even close,his place in ex with summer valk,who closest in term of damage with him,except turn 3,but outshines him in np gain.
@@MystFGO that's true, even still, the Assassin class needed someone like him since the class has been known to have poor to mediocre loopers outside the welfares. I thought he would just be a good SSR AoE unit but they went and beyond with the first sun god.
@@astridparungao4971 If the abomination is the only thing you see in my comment,its only means you are tezca fanatic and you wont even try to listen other opinions about him. By the way abomination thing was about his art design,you would see that,if you read my previous comment a little furhter.
I would argue that Stheno could be put into B Tier of you use her with Melt Lancer, or Caren. Both of them are Divine so they benefit from her 40% Att Buff AND because both of them have a NP Drain on one of their skills they can even make use of her free NP gauge from Vampirism. Though C+ is probably fair for a no Damage NP.
Paracelsus seems better in that regard with his 20% arts and 50% np gain and self battery for the drain for melt lancer. Might be good for caren though.
Jekyll might not need a damaging NP to succeed as Hyde. If one or more of his skills had a buff that could use his NP bar for something (5% drain per hit to buff crits, buster, or Anti-Good or Humanoid damage mod, for instance), then he might be viable as a card-focused DPS.
I came here braced for Cleo slander but yes, finally I see someone that gets her 😌
Funny thing about jing ke is that, you use her with mash and hans and you're all set. Even mash and castoria works or mash and merlin but if you pair her with skadi, it's kinda good damage wise but overall performance drops.
the same Mash Hans would work with 100 face though, arguably better.
@@naiRISE766 probably yeah, tho I'm not comparing her with other assassins but rather her performance with skadi vs other support and I personally like her paired with asclepius as well than skadi. In other words unless it's a double skadi, Jing ke is much better with other general support.
I mean, every DPS will always have a good sinergy with them (mash, hans, castoria, merlin) so whats the point? 😅
@Fariz Ahmad not every character is good with Mash. Mash is good alone in the most part, and you won't bring her for her support but for her survivality and potential of taking the hard hitting of bosses.
There are very few characters that benefit frome her support, because she will take the blunt as well as the NP charge from hit taken. That's why I'll agree Jing Ke is good with Mash rather than 100 faces, even though 100 is far better as a whole.
@@Syokool good point. With 100 face's demerit, def and atk buff from mash would be strip. While Jing ke needed all the def and atk buff she could get from her teammate. Could not say tho who between these two dps with completely different playstyle has better synergy with mash. One thing I knew for sure is that I find it funny how I feel more comfortable running Jing ke with hans, merlin or castoria rather than skadi when skadi is atm the premier quick support.
Tezcat being EX+ is soo on point, people hating on him is either for the asc art or just never bothered to try him.
I had him at np1 and he is still very solid. He is very fun to use. I don't really mind his asc art.
And most importantly I love his "WOOOOOOO!!!"
I think its more because of the asc art
Not feeling his ascension art is a valid reason to not like him.
Tez is hella strong no one can deny this, but if he doesn't revolutionize everything like Koyan or Melusine who have the 2 NPs or heracles who's free and can carry your ass way too much , he's completely busted and a easy EX, if you consider ibuki summer to be EX+ then I can understand why you'll put him at the same place
To be fair i can kinda see how some people doesn't like the asc art, but i guess we're just not used to seeing these kind of thing in fgo.
Thank you for the great content!
Serenity, Shuten and OG Tam together make a hilarious poison team. Serenity has 5 turn poison/toxic on a 4 turn CD, so there's some overlap. Between 2 stacks of S2, maybe 2-3 stacks from S3, 1-2 stacks from her NP, maybe some command codes and then whatever you get from Shuten's NP, you can easily see 30k+ poison ticks.
Unfortunately it's still a meme though, and Tam doesn't have any hard defense, so you can't use it against Riders either. But it's funny to use against neutral classes sometimes.
Koenshaku is the best, Koenshaku is the cutest, Koenshaku is the strongest
Cleo rocks!!! Respect to Myst opinion cuz thers experience. I never had bad time with my np3 Cleo too!!!
Hey Myst this was a really great tier list, however I noticed you misinterpreted something about Phantom’s kit which is very important.
You see his 6 turn %50 debuff resistance down is actually a buff for Bradamante’s stun success chance.
That is all he’s good for (:
Fucking buff Brad 🤬
31:32 that brings good ol memories...
Thank you for all the work Myst! Only disagreement is Jack is too low I would take her over Any of the A tier options.
Happy to see Tez on ex+
This makes you wonder how the heck tamamo (caster) was ever able to be non-limited. Yeah she ain't no castoria, but if she were to be released now or last year or so, she 100% would have been limited.
I always watch the full stream when I can, on 2x, but still, love the series, specially this year with Plushie showing up, company is always nice. This time I pretty much agree with everything, I just might be a little biased with Shiki and have her on A+.
It's funny how in many other classes we had so many servants in A+ and EX, and for this one most were in A.
Also lasagna please buff Gu-chan and Kerry, I like them so much.
And lastly, do you think the addition of the new system that will buff classes (I forgot the name of it, but iirc it will come alongside the collab right?) will "unbalance" the tier lists made after it's release (if it actually comes with the arcade collab)? I'm really excited for the new system, specially since we don't know how sizeable it's impact will be, there's this mystery to it.
They should make an assassin support that can make a servant into class advantage servants or berserker / with 50 np gain
Seeing the Valks get into EX makes me happy.
Shuten's 2nd skill would be amazing if she could loop.
I got spooked by Osakabehime TWICE IN A WEEK ON THE SAME BANNER which was Malter. I ended up using her as a substitute for merlin sort of, but need to equip kscope on her tho for instant access to her NP. Now that I actually got Merlin & Skadi I never really use her anymore. Which is kinda sad but ehh.. B+ is fair I guess.. Also Semiramis buff removal resist was useful during Odyseus CQ fight in aeaea event 😂
WOOOO A+ FOR CHIYOME!!!!!
imo the fact that Jack can still be called B+ with such an awful kit doesn't go to show she's outdated, it goes to show how well she's stood the test of time. Her raw star gen carries her so hard that with one of the most year 1 kits ever she is still a solid pick because nobody gives you stars like she does.
Stheno was my primary assassin until Jack spooked me 3 months into the game... BTW, about that 27% battery - just think of it this way, it's a 20% battery at skill level 4 so with a Kscope she can NP turn 1 with no mat investment, and 25% at skill level 9 which means with a MLB IE she can NP turn 1 without any Lore investment. I don't have any issues with that!
Here's the ironic thing about MHX, for all her anti-Saber memes, she's actually the best counter against MHXA of all people.
one thing that completely made me skip summer okita was how her defense down [treated as a buff] doesnt get removed by her first skill
Well, most of my favourite assassins are in EX(+). This completely validates my opinions, making this list objectively correct.
Jackie really does need a tune up.
I'm happy okita j souji is high up, I like her, despite those demerits, she carrys especially when you dont have good assassins
1:19:45 When would I use Stheno? As a support for Ridertoki exactly against a Caster/Zerker raid boss that really wants to be killed in one hit. Which is exactly how I used her.
Summer Nito is unfortunate, but if you're fighting gold enemies, you can actually somewhat get away with using her for loop farming. She can refund off 2 enemies if she gets enough overkill hits in. It's not going to be 100% reliable though, so I wouldn't recommend using her too much, but if you just gotta farm a Rider node a few times she can do the job.
Might also be worth mentioning that mine is NP1, so if you have higher NP levels you might get more consistent overkill hits
Good defense and a fine spamable np.
Honestly she should have been atleast a Lil higher I agree. Hope they give her a buff that hits a niche and maybe fix her np insta kill by reducing the instant kill proc %
@@Conkel They can just update every instant kill NP to proc after damage, considering how most modern servants with instant kill NP does it after damage unlike those older servants.
Don't you love all the different good, arts & buster looping assassins? as someone who is still trying to get Skadi, it's a bless to have so many options for my NA account!!!
im so sad about summer nito, its so stupid that one single thing can ruin a good amount of usage for her, bc i really like her
if lasagna ever buff her i just wish they make that stupid insta-kill after damage on her np like nito has in her avenger version
i want to use her more, but really mostly can only on gold enemies cos IK doesnt exist there, but... ugh i just want to use different servants and not only my np6 davinki on everything :(
Imagine if they buffed first Hassans np and put either an anti evil or demonic it will make sense and it would be broken
2:23:34 Yeah that is biased placement because she is hard to use with her terrible demerits (even as a dps) . And i think shiki should be on the same tier as Hundred faces because of her great skill set. Corday should also be a bit above because she does have built in Defense ignore and Pierce invul in her skills. Overall very good Tier List, Keep it up bro
Summer Okita is fine in that tier. Her skill demerits are largely a minor inconvenience in a team context, her RNG stun can be mitigated with Mirror of Eight Leaves, and compared to the other AOE 4 star Assassins (excluding the welfares), she doesn't hit like a wet noodle.
@@DragonFalconFGO It's true that her NP does hit hard but the problem is team building. Her skill one removes a defensive buff from her and Skill 3 lowers defense. Doesn't look tanky enough! . Every time she uses her NP she needs that CC Card on that turn (That's hard to do it on every turn). Even if you bring some servant to save her from the stun you will be losing the opportunity to bring another Support. Also I think a NP5 Kiichi Hogen almost does the same damage(With no demrits) as NP4 Okita j; Gray also seems to be a better option(Outdamage her) . Okita J could be a B+ at best i think.
Edit: Ik you said excluding the welfare but as myst said in the video with the new jp campaign they are bringing back Welfares so they all will be available soon in shop and it's not like there are many 4 Star non welfare AOE assassin to compare her with.
@@taigafgo Team building is not an issue at all, you just need to cast her S1 before casting whatever defense buffs you have, and the defense demerits on S3 only matter when it peaks at 50% which can be mitigated thanks to her S2, at 10% and 30% it really doesn't matter at all so much. And if you happen to be unlucky, you can always put her NP at the end of the chain so she can still deal damage with the first 2 face cards. This is also just assuming if you happen to draw the face cards needed to do a brave chain, which will not be happening 100% of the time.
Also Mirror of Eight Leaves lasts 2 turns, not one so no she does not need to draw that face card on the turn she's about to NP. And her face card damage is also a lot stronger than both Gray and Kiichi despite having a weaker NP because of her S1 in addition to having a very easy time generating stars and filling up her NP.
@@DragonFalconFGO Thanks for the fast reply. I haven't used her much but after your explanation it seems like she is *usable* but then again it also shows her setup being pretty restricted.
Edit : Yeah she still doesn't seem to be A tier material
@@taigafgo The only thing "restrictive" about her is the RNG NP stun, the other demerits do not even matter that much. Like you said, you don't even use her that much and have always been going by your feelings, but I have tested her extensively and used her a lot so I know her potential.
3:55:47 myst kinda predicted salters effect
I'm using my anni ticket in July on Li Shuwen. Was gonna use it on waver but I got him. Then was gonna use it on Ozy but I got him. >.< So I finally get to get Li.
I've always had a hard time building an "optimized" Kama team for some reason. I understand the gameplan is to spam her NP in order to stack her Quick buffs & Charm the opponent.
Can I get anyone's feedback on the following generalized comp for Kama?
1) For Craft Essence: Black Grail or Princess' Pilgrimage? Her NP damage significantly drops with Princess' Pilgrimage, but I start of swinging faster.
2) For Support: Double Skadi, Skadi & Koyanskaya or Skadi & Castoria? I also tried Douman, but she spammed her NP a lot less frequently, so I dropped him.
Please offer me an explaination so I could better understand why I'm having such a hard time figuring out Kama. My copy is NP 2 and I try my best to maximize damage while also spamming her NP as often as possible. If you could direct me to any videos that give an in-depth explaination on how to team-build arround her, I'd appreciate it.