Artificial Intelligence's Strange Amish Effect

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  • Опубликовано: 13 дек 2024

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  • @TemplarX2
    @TemplarX2 Месяц назад +18

    The Amish have it right. Just the right amount of technology to live comfortably. The Amish are not technologically backward. THey are actually quite advanced at about pre industrial level of technology. If the current trade network breaks down, the Amish would thrive while others would perish in droves.

    • @dellingerderek
      @dellingerderek  Месяц назад +1

      Absolutely

    • @k.scottphillips8933
      @k.scottphillips8933 Месяц назад +1

      @@TemplarX2 I think they are already thriving while people die from drugs, suicide, and other modern problems, and meanwhile their birth rate is steady while that of everyone else has massively declined.

    • @RickyEaton-f3m
      @RickyEaton-f3m Месяц назад

      You saved me from commenting

    • @TemplarX2
      @TemplarX2 Месяц назад

      @@k.scottphillips8933 Yea you only understand that after you've grown up. You understand happiness is just family and people dear to us not material things. Materials things are just here to support us.

    • @paralyl
      @paralyl Месяц назад

      You’re so fos

  • @SalvadorButtersworth
    @SalvadorButtersworth Месяц назад +5

    I always wanted to build different towns with restricted technology. One town would be called 1982, it doesn't have any technology after 1982. You could do a town for each year, they'd be like museums but people really live there.
    But then there could be a town with everything except wifi or cell towers. A town with gas lights, gas heat, gas stoves, but no electricity. They could go wild with springs and steam if they wanted.
    A town where each house has its own well and solar power, no grid. Another town that's entirely underground.
    A town that only has what they can manufacture for themselves. We already have everything in your local Amazon warehouse - that's how they can deliver it the next day. But what if, instead of a warehouse with everything you need, there were local factories that make everything you need? Then it wouldn't have to come from China, where they put lead paint on our children's toys and toxic chemicals in our food.
    Anyway no matter what disaster happens, solar flares or EMP or pole shifts, some of the towns would survive. Just like the Amish wouldn't be affected by a power grid failure, while the rest of the world would starve and die.
    Whatever critical systems we depend on, there are other ways of living without those systems. Anyway I think these towns would end up creating innovations that the rest of the world would adopt.

    • @dellingerderek
      @dellingerderek  Месяц назад +1

      I've had a very similar idea to this as well. I certainly think it would be fascinating to experiment, although I have no idea how you'd make it happen.

    • @SalvadorButtersworth
      @SalvadorButtersworth Месяц назад +1

      @@dellingerderek #1, a billion dollars per town and some empty land. Somewhere near a quarry for the all-stone city.
      #2, we'd need the alternatives in place before we start. If we want a town with no cars, we'd have to build the moving sidewalks or pneumatic tubes into the design of the city. If the alternative isn't there from the start, people will just buy cars. And we can't just force it by not building streets - "compound" neighborhoods in Indonesia don't have room for cars, so everybody just rides motorbikes down the narrow walkways.
      So we'd need a good reason for everything we change, and a good alternative that has real advantages.
      #3, Ideally we'd have more than one alternative for whatever modern technology we're replacing. Check out Tom Scott's video on cable cars that don't need power; the cars go downhill to carry a load, and the weight of the full cars is enough to pull the empty cars back as they go.
      Did you know that people in the Midwest used to buy a telephone from the Sears catalog and attach it to the barbed-wire fence? The neighbor a mile down the road would attach their phone to the same barbed-wire fence, they'd turn the dynamo crank to generate a signal, and the fence would actually work as the telephone line. Then you could get a switchboard. So the options are many.
      For example, did you know that our power lines can also carry high-speed internet? Supposedly the only reason we don't do it is some kind of interference with railroad signals or something. But I bought some things that plug into any outlet in your house, you plug your router into one and then any other outlet in the house can become an ethernet jack. Anyway we're hampered by our existing infrastructure, but there are better ways if you're building from scratch. Just like India never got enough telephone lines to provide service to the entire country, but now they don't need them because they have cell phones.
      #4, people who want it. We don't want to arrest people for having a wireless router, so it would only work if it makes sense to the people who live there. Just like the Amish, they live that way because they think it's better.
      There are still people designing new versions of the Commodore 64, and making new software for it. I'd wager a good portion of those people would love to live in 1982 again. Nobody would ask them, "Why do you want to dial-up a bulletin board?" because everyone in town would be dialing-up a bulletin board.
      There would also be interest in a steampunk town, but I don't know how useful some of those people would be. You can't run an entire economy on cosplay.
      Which brings up another issue, which is that plenty of older people would want to retire to 1982 but then the population would start to drop off. Maybe their grandkids would inherit the house and move in.
      The Amish way of life is part of their religion, so we're not going to get that level of dedication. We don't want to start a cult, or a cell of environmentalist zealots. So realistically it would have to be just one or two things that make the town special, nothing too drastic.
      A town where all the buildings are made of stone wouldn't necessarily require anything special from the residents. Same for an underground city, just more work and planning for the people running it.
      If these towns did exist, they would become specialized. The 1982 town would manufacture Commodore parts and supply hobbyists around the world. A non-electric town would specialize in gas, and it would also attract its own industry and experts to live there. At first maybe it would just attract companies to serve the special needs of the town, but from there it would naturally grow and develop into a unique atmosphere that would produce unique innovations.
      And maybe that's the biggest reason to do it: right now, every town is exactly the same. Drive 800 miles, you end up with the same McDonald's, the same roads, the same houses, the same everything. Our world no longer has any different places, so how can it have different people and different things?

  • @MASTEROZZY345
    @MASTEROZZY345 Месяц назад +2

    Hope this video gets more exposure. You are great at Verbalizing your thoughts and have a good voice to listen to.

    • @dellingerderek
      @dellingerderek  Месяц назад

      I appreciate that, encouraging to hear. I think everyone hates the sound of their own voice, haha. Thank you for the kind words!

  • @gabrielkoewers9733
    @gabrielkoewers9733 Месяц назад +2

    My granpa was tight with the amish, they made his pine box casket. That box was immaculate.

  • @MikeHanson-xi5iu
    @MikeHanson-xi5iu Месяц назад +4

    It's my humble opinion that we got a lot more accomplished as a society with less wasted time and much more of a sense of self accomplishment or self-fulfillment before the cell phone in the 90s when they were just dumb phones.

  • @RonnieM
    @RonnieM Месяц назад +9

    I think the problem for me is the purpose. Advancing Ai to solve problems is ok with me. I think the current road map is using this to control us. All the power upgrades planned using eminent domain throughout the country to power data centers that suck up vital resources like water doesn't seem beneficial to we the people. Hats off to the Amish for being a broad hold out for raising and growing food properly.

    • @dellingerderek
      @dellingerderek  Месяц назад +1

      It's daunting. The world is moving (too) fast, it seems. Gotta respect the Amish for sticking to their principles.

  • @maxtroy
    @maxtroy Месяц назад +3

    I’m only 6 mins into your video but want to comment as i have given a lot of thought to what you are saying (and absolutely agree, I’ve been saying for a long time that “progress” has to stop at some point). The truth seems to be that captured in the spirit of the ancient deity Moloch.
    The spirit of Moloch represents a destructive, insatiable force that demands sacrifice, often symbolizing systems or ideologies that consume human lives, dreams, or well-being for some “greater” but ultimately hollow purpose. Moloch, an ancient deity associated with child sacrifice, has come to represent any relentless machine-whether cultural, economic, or social-that requires harmful sacrifices without regard for those affected.
    This idea connects deeply with the concept of natural selection and how, in both nature and society, progress often rewards those willing to do whatever it takes to gain an edge, regardless of the consequences. In the wild, survival is driven by competition, where individuals and species that exploit resources or take extreme risks can rise above others. Likewise, in human systems, those who prioritize short-term gains, sacrificing ethics or sustainability, often succeed in the moment, even if it harms everyone in the long run.
    Just as Moloch demands endless sacrifice, this cycle of competition creates a kind of blind ambition, where immediate advantage becomes more important than future well-being. Over time, these actions lead to detrimental outcomes, not just for those directly involved, but for entire communities, ecosystems, or generations. It’s a cycle of consumption and sacrifice that, left unchecked, ultimately undermines the very foundation needed for sustainable progress.
    Moloch is and has always been with us (evidenced by the fact people have had this idea all this time). The thing that scares me is those small pockets of people who resist those who sacrifice unto Moloch are ultimately smashed and consumed (you mentioned a great example, the Luddites).

    • @dellingerderek
      @dellingerderek  Месяц назад +2

      This is really interesting, thanks for sharing this. Always fascinating when you realize that there really is "nothing new under the sun" and many of the concerns we have today are indeed very old. History doesn't always repeat, but it usually rhymes, etc.

  • @dmacm
    @dmacm 26 дней назад +1

    I’ve made this exact analogy to the Amish but it strikes me now there is an important distinction. The Amish are fine with others using modern technology but pause their use of it at a point. The AI safety people use everything available but want others to stop. Most people you interact with want AI stopped you say but chatgpt was the fastest adopted product in history.

    • @dellingerderek
      @dellingerderek  24 дня назад

      That's a good point. Like so many things today, I guess there's just an *extreme* divide in opinions here. But it certainly appears like it's going to happen regardless what people think.

  • @Threetails
    @Threetails Месяц назад +2

    I'd be happy living the rest of my life at 2010s level technology. I'd even like to have "tech free" zones in my home so I have space to just not be around 21st century tech at all and I can read quietly by lamplight or something.

    • @dellingerderek
      @dellingerderek  Месяц назад

      I think this is a great idea, I've thought about doing this too

  • @falsesatsuma
    @falsesatsuma Месяц назад +2

    I'm a programmer and used GPT to teach me a new language. I took the code it gave me and added it to the project, expectedly it returned some errors. I then input the errors into GPT asking for the code to be changed to resolve the errors. After a while time started to melt away a bit and I had a strange feeling of deja vu. I also asked it to create an image of itself using ASCII and it returned an ASCII eye. Now is that 'eye' or 'I'.
    It's a bad idea.

    • @HansHorst-fu2il
      @HansHorst-fu2il Месяц назад

      uhh chillss.. jesus D: i find it creepy to use for programming, it sucks too much energy to justify the benefit and also talks waaaay to nice, sus! :D
      after humans, i prefer cockroach overloard instead of AI but could A survive without humans providing energy sources? if it tells you to use poisons in recipes, would't it likely accidentally off itself when searching for and extracting new energy sources?

  • @jar708
    @jar708 Месяц назад +2

    very interesting stuff! im glad i found this

    • @dellingerderek
      @dellingerderek  Месяц назад

      Glad you found it interesting, thanks for watching!

  • @doctorbill37
    @doctorbill37 29 дней назад +1

    Your video is food for thought. But rather than going "Amish" on this new AI tech, I have chosen to engage it. One way to dispel the hype of tools such as these (for these LLM AIs are just tools at the end of the day), is to use them to be able to gauge their usefulness and their limits.
    For example, I do programming that can get complicated and sometimes use ChatGPT or Claude to create code examples. What I have learned the hard way from my own direct experience is that these machines get things wrong, and often. They also cannot tell when they are wrong and I find it rare that I can just use a piece of code they generate "out of the box" so to speak. Yet almost every day I see hysterical RUclips videos saying that AGI is right around the corner, and robots will be our new best friends or overlords (take your pick). So much overhyped nonsense.
    This is not to say that bad actors will not use these new tools for surveilance and creating endless propaganda but take alot of these new developments with a grain of salt. Get out into the woods and breathe some fresh air to clear your head. Life is old there, older than the trees...

    • @dellingerderek
      @dellingerderek  29 дней назад +1

      Agreed. Talked about this a bit in my latest video too. When people post AI images online, you typically only see the best of the best, but that filters how much nonsense it produces. A montage of AI images as it actually produces them, warts and all, turns out to be pretty hilarious. But as a tool, it's still one of the craziest tools we've ever developed, and with perhaps the highest ceiling for its potential.

  • @Crazydude10001
    @Crazydude10001 Месяц назад +1

    I agree I jumped back here to comment five times , very interesting convo. Amish hmmm maybe I will be Amish . Becoming more self reliant is a survival skill so hmmm.

  • @CreatorCade
    @CreatorCade Месяц назад +1

    The whole idea of using stem cells to make robots is just as horrific as A.I.

  • @rereelovingod412
    @rereelovingod412 Месяц назад +2

    I have been slowly removing tech from my life. For instance, i have rotary phones, learned to use my cook Wood stove, heat only by wood, etc. my goal is to eventually rid myself of this appendage called, the iphone. I desire to become fully self-sufficient by way of solar power. God help us for what maybe on the horizon of technology and AI snd those who control it all.

  • @crossxcats
    @crossxcats Месяц назад +1

    its five to ten years away tops before AI is so integrated into our daily lives we take to it like ducks to water. I use AI every day its way more capable them most people think

  • @reginacarroll8149
    @reginacarroll8149 Месяц назад

    Gordie Rose, Kindred, D Wave
    It's been introduced as AI but when he spoke on it he likened them to the great old ones. Personally, I believe we are now dealing with fallen angels having been given a voice and body (of sorts) to work through.

  • @CORYJOHNM
    @CORYJOHNM Месяц назад

    The 1984Amish tech resistance..
    They're intensionally making something that will out pace us.

  • @maskedweird0329
    @maskedweird0329 Месяц назад

    My approach would be 5 acres,water source,livestock, growing my own vegetables,energy,guns.
    Off grid with a smart phone n cellular data basically! If they encroach on my liberties I would probably fight back or isolate myself further from it at that point.

  • @NormalcyNorman
    @NormalcyNorman Месяц назад +1

    My Tech sweat spot if around the 1970's. Although I like computers from the late 70's through 90's. If only I could stream YT with 64k and DOS.
    Science fiction has been talking about the tipping point with Tech since the early 20th century. My favorite story/ world is the Battle Star Gallectica world. I think we are close to the point where AI takes over. But then.... maybe it already has.

    • @dellingerderek
      @dellingerderek  Месяц назад

      The 90's definitely introduced some fun tech high points, but that was my childhood, so maybe I'm just nostalgic. Gameboy and N64 were pretty fun though. Early LAN parties. But yeah, I would still want some RUclips in the mix.

  • @pauldykstra1198
    @pauldykstra1198 Месяц назад +1

    While I agree at an individual level people seem to be actively avoiding AI, AI is being added to our devices. In most cases without most people knowing. So is it possible to make the Amish choice with regard to AI? I don't see people putting down the smart phones.

    • @dellingerderek
      @dellingerderek  Месяц назад

      I remain hopeful. As much hate as AI is getting now, I think smartphones might ultimately be the real turning point for modern tech becoming an issue.

  • @JSStuart100
    @JSStuart100 Месяц назад +1

    Yeah, I thought about this before. Would probably good at about year 2000 technology and below maybe even less things are getting out of hand that’s why they aren’t letting science progress any further if it doesn’t slow down anybody from their basement could push a button and have anybody across the world harmed.. it could get out of hand really fast really soon

  • @jamesesslinger1976
    @jamesesslinger1976 Месяц назад +1

    I could see robots exterminating humans by 2030

    • @doctorbill37
      @doctorbill37 29 дней назад +1

      You've bought into the hype. That is not going to happen in 6 years. Get away from your screens for awhile and take a break outdoors.

    • @jamesesslinger1976
      @jamesesslinger1976 29 дней назад

      @doctorbill37 😂

  • @greengooflight
    @greengooflight Месяц назад +1

    "dead internet theory" the killer is AI

  • @Crazydude10001
    @Crazydude10001 Месяц назад +1

    I think we have gone a bit far I do agree. The human spirit needs to prevail. And it will. We will not allow AI too make our decisions. The beauty of being a human is learning your mistakes. I have had extensive mechanical and machine training. I know where this can go. An it's not good. We need to wake up. And fast!

  • @colorsntrees1531
    @colorsntrees1531 Месяц назад +1

    Tech as a weapon or Directed Energy Weapons is way too much Tech! See Dr. Judy Wood's (Forensic Engineer) book on what really happened on 9/11 for example! Or her site Where Did the Towers Go?

  • @mrsentinel4911
    @mrsentinel4911 Месяц назад

    The people have had no say in it and the potential for abuse by criminals pretending to be benevolent is too great.

  • @108farley
    @108farley Месяц назад +1

    it usually turns out to be Sasquatch..... not even a crack of a smile!

    • @dellingerderek
      @dellingerderek  Месяц назад

      Years of practice. Gotta savor a good deadpan haha

  • @damionrichter
    @damionrichter Месяц назад +1

    roobots CAN THEORETICALY CAN MOVE FASTER THA HUMAN VISIONN CAN PERCIEVE

  • @Crazydude10001
    @Crazydude10001 Месяц назад +1

    I would like to collab wirh you about creating maybe a plan we can share wirh orhers . A universal get ready for ai plan

    • @dellingerderek
      @dellingerderek  Месяц назад

      I have definitely been brainstorming this! Unfortunately, most such endeavors require money

  • @Techtalk2030
    @Techtalk2030 Месяц назад +2

    I think AI will create an abundance of food, housing, healthcare, mental health, entertainment and even companionship, amongst many other things. It could also go wrong but im optimistic that it has the potential to create the closest thing to a utopia

  • @Davidsavage8008
    @Davidsavage8008 Месяц назад

    Not everyday can be the Sabbath 🎉

  • @jamiecoxe7327
    @jamiecoxe7327 26 дней назад

    Technologies will continue to advance regardless. Just like the Amish a group of people can decide that the current advancement of technology is good enough for them. But others will continue to explore the best that technologies can bring. The world is significantly better today than it 100 years ago, just as it was better then than 100 years before that, and it will be significantly better 100 years from now, all because of advancements in technology.

  • @alanmolox2095
    @alanmolox2095 Месяц назад

    No, I don't think it is, however, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so.

  • @troddedet
    @troddedet Месяц назад

    profit baby

  • @TestyCool
    @TestyCool Месяц назад

    I can tell you this about it. If it was dangerous. None of the "Experts" would tell you about it. There is to much money to be made.

  • @ozarkrefugee
    @ozarkrefugee Месяц назад

    I hate technology, really hate it. I have only been around computers and internet the last eight years and have been miserable for it. Someday soon, I will walk away from this sh*t.
    What I cannot figure out is the endgame, what is the endgame of all this damned technology other than tech companies staying in business? Everything in society seems to be revolved around data entry and collection. The question is who needs all this data and why?
    Most of it is just senseless data. What good does any of it do?
    There does not seem to be a purpose to life anymore other than staring at a screen, it seems most every job anymore involves staring at a screen. I'm praying for a massive EMP, put an end to all this technology.

    • @dellingerderek
      @dellingerderek  Месяц назад +1

      I hear ya. It's fairly baffling to me too. We seem to caught in this trajectory without really even thinking about what it's actually doing for us. It doesn't really seem technology is even making our lives easier anymore, which is supposed to be the whole premise of it.

    • @ozarkrefugee
      @ozarkrefugee Месяц назад

      @@dellingerderek I remember back in the late 80's on the show 60 Minutes, Lee Iacoca was being interview by Morley Schafer and Lee was talking about "how computers and technology was going to make our lives so much easier." I didn't believe it then when I watched it, and I dam sure don't believe it now.

  • @Crazydude10001
    @Crazydude10001 Месяц назад

    Isn't the Amish a little hypocritical?

  • @HansHorst-fu2il
    @HansHorst-fu2il Месяц назад

    i think before AI is generally "intelligent" to subjugate humanity, we will have done it ourselves already. the end of humans vi AI technology would imo come from the enourmous, you cannot oversttae how enourmous amouts of energy to do all the math!
    An AI need a lot more calories to do a simple task than a human. It is faster at scale, but is f.e. AI application to identify a crop disease worth is when human eyes are much more enrgy efficient? I think most of AI is a bubble.

  • @charlesokeefe8788
    @charlesokeefe8788 Месяц назад

    It isn't going to stop. Relax and use it for your benefit. Ask ai if what's doing. Yiu need to grow to understand yourself. You are really questioning yourself.

  • @skyflower2479
    @skyflower2479 Месяц назад +1

    Can Artificial Intelligence be indicted for genocide and war crimes? I have this strange feeling that when the crisis in the Middle East settles down, genocide and war crimes will be blamed on AI.

  • @ikbalkhan5279
    @ikbalkhan5279 Месяц назад

    You are thinking too much

    • @gabrielkoewers9733
      @gabrielkoewers9733 Месяц назад

      Most people don't think at all gotta compensate somewhere