I'm sure the majority of the complaints mentioned here will be addressed further down the line. We only have 40% of the game (Or close to that number) with no story outside of the introduction
You hit the nail on the head there. It looked terrifying in the trailer. I thought the survival element would come from escaping these crazy residents, but instead it turned into a typical eat/sleep/drink game.
Yeah, well. I hate when people complain about a game because it's a different genre than what they would make. They aren't developers. You can't rely on other people to make the game YOU wish YOU had made if you have the talent and skills. They are making the game THEY gained those skills to make.
From the criticism I see people wanted this to be bioshock, it's not its intention from the start was to be a survival game and it is still in very early access, and they have said they will change and add things in the development.
Of course they will improve things. Mike and whoever the other guys is, they're just giving feedback on HOW to improve it. NerdCubed also said that this version of the game cost him 30 dollars, so he was sort of expecting something better than...whatever this game is right now.
Oh yea without a doubt the game needs alot of improvement via stealth and combat I dont see this becoming a 60$ title, but still optimistic about things :D
Everyone and their dog is trying to make the next Minecraft only do it in a world that's realistically rendered instead of being made of lego blocks. Which is the next obvious step. But they're all failing either because they're just plain bad, unable or unwilling to find a balance between common sense realism and gameplay especially in crafting, horrifically difficult, or possibly worst of all, balanced for a huge number of people working together in multiplayer.
This game started off so strong with the creepy environment, but it turns into a mess. There's just nothing outside of the beginning that's remotely entertaining.
This. The problem with it isn't so much the universe, it's the aimless wandering and crafting that kills it. I kind of liked the main character and his connection to Joy. It reminded me of Haze, the failed PS3 first person shooter. The constant struggle between an illusion of happiness and reality rings a bell all too well with many of us. But, let's ignore any of that deep thinking that just happened in the first ten minutes, let's wander around and craft stuff! Don't forget managing food and water! ISN'T THIS FUN?!
+TheLeagueObservers I feel like these people came up with a great idea, but then some random guy on the team walked over to them and said; Hey, this is a great idea! But you know what people like right now? Survival games! Subnautica, 7 days to die, stranded, ark , Day- z! - you want your game to be popular? Make it a survival! All of this British dystopia will make it unique in that field! Except... Well... - the running trend with most survival games is that they don't have any story. The objective of trying to find resources to keep your character alive is more than enough to keep you busy. Adding story on top of that is overwhelming, unless there is an abundance of resources. It's hard to get involved in a story when you're worrying if you brought enough food with you, or if you realise you ran out of water - you're always getting pulled away from the story.
+SwiftFoxyGamer Ummm, they were just examples..- I don't actually think someone went to them and said those exact words. That part was meant to be a joke. My actual thoughts on the game are featured below that joke.
sneezydragonlol well still this is early access when it fully comes out of early access it'll have survival aspects plus a fully fledged story line unlike most survival games that are just survive and escape or just survive
That's the thing game designers don't understand is that going down the path of making it pointless to fight anyone and have to search for food takes away the escape and fun. People play games to have fun, not to be bored.
I will say that open world survival games are trendy genre currently, but like Pascal said, the trailer is misleading and I am not a fan of that style of game.
It's a good thing this game is still in pre-alpha. They have a lot of work to do before they release the full version, or they're going to have a giant flop on total sales.
Man, I hate it when survival games can't manage to make a proper hunger/thirst mechanic. Remember Metal Gear Solid 3? That game had a (no pun intended) solid hunger mechanic. Your stamina bar would get low slowly, and if it reached the end you'd start losing life. You didn't have to be _constantly_ eating, only once in a while, there was plenty of food everywhere, and some kinds would fill you better than others. That was a great game, I can't recommend it enough.
I agree with you on all points, except for the cliché nature - I think that's the point and the conformity to stereotypes helps demonstrate how clearly dystopian everything is. Bioshock itself does this quite a bit, and definitely for the same purpose. Like if I had to design a world in which everyone was brainwashed into "perfection," I'd totally integrate stereotypes.
I think it's a little much to imply they implemented clichés in order to be subversive, though if they did on purpose I'd think that was an awful creative decision - make a good game, don't try and be clever and make a bad one to subvert expectations
Gareth Graham I couldn't disagree more. That's the point of joy - you aren't clever. Many games have done the same thing. Fallout 3 did it with Tranquility Lane with the "perfect TV family"
The developers obviously want it to feel like you are in Britain so if there would be no stereotypical british stuff it would not feel like thats where the game takes place and could just be America or any random place in the western world.
What modern day games do Mike & Ryan like? lol Y'all should change the name of the show for "Let's talk about games" to "Let's talk and complain." Don't get me wrong I'm one of y'all number one fans. Keep up the good work.
The last review we did before this was a game called Space Run Galaxy, which I loved. I also really liked layers of fear, shovel knight, transformers, axiom verge, dead by daylight, lakeview cabin and some others. -Mike
'' lung meter'' you can also call it a stamina meter ''I have to stop and eat something >:c'' Mike is not familiar with survival games, but then again, I have not played this particular survival game. Eating is always a hassle, like in don't starve.
It's about halfway done so what did you expect? o.O On another note having seen some of Splattercat's videos I'd say that some of Cinemassacre's critique are well thought out E.G. the time flow. Other parts like the genre I'd say that they game seem to handle quite well. It's somewhat amusing ,though, to hear them say that it didn't take them long to notice that he was no Rambo and then showed recordings of them (seemingly) treating the stick of a man (which the character is) like he was your run-of-the-mill action character! :D
Oh and my other opinion on early access is that if you buy it you deserve what you get! Don't use money you wouldn't mind losing (as what you're doing is pretty much lending it to a stranger and hope that you'll get t back)
These early thoughts on this game really remind me of my experience with Sir You Are Being Hunted. Such high hopes for a game that bored me out of it in less than an hour. Still...I'm gonna see for myself. Can't say I wasn't warned haha
Thanks for this dissection of the game, I always worry buying games that aren't complete yet. This looked amazing in the trailer, but with the complaints I've heard here and from others who played it, I will hold onto my money for the time being. I really want this game to be good in the future, it has a lot of potential.
i adore the art style of this game. the stilization really gives it a special athmosphere, while distinctly looking and feeling like a video game. the looks fit the twisted world. gameplay wise it's a lot like pathologic. but not as brutally difficult, as of yet.
Haha, Mike you're hilarious! The Fountain Head, Alphabet of Manliness, the Energizer Bunny and Safehouse video cover. Awesome! Great work Mike, you rock!
I hope you guys revisit this when it releases. And talk about how your criticisms have or have not been addressed. That'd be a really cool follow-up video.
A survival game? Thats a shame. I was really hoping for a bioshock 1 gameplay and atmosphere but pre-collapse. The (e3?) preview for this game looked amazing and it really looked like that was the direction they were going. Oh well.
I've been in love with this game since seeing other youtubers play it months ago. I'm so glad it's finally out. It's not going to appeal to everyone, but it's important to remember that it's in early access right now. There's a good chance that so much is going to change.
LOL! That's a really good observation - what if in games, your character walked at the speed they ought to walk given the time compression or the frequency of other activities? How fast would you be charging around? I almost want to see that coded up now. :)
+terminaldeity I read the Russian translation (since I'm a slav and stuff), where it's called a bit different for phonetic reasons, so I actually didn't knew about that. Thank you, unironically
When this game is complete, would this be live stream just to see if it has your expectation in the future? though I guess Mike won't give it another chance.
Hope they listen. They probably won't. Remember The Order 1886? They were getting warned up the wazoo by people playing early versions of the game, and they just released it that way anyway. Bad move.
I honestly dont think the story is post-apocalyptic.... it seemed more like the world became a junkie hive mind and things slowly broken down over time, not some sort of cataclysmic event.
There was a terrible event that the British used to end WW1 (in the games story), and to forget what they had done, they invented the drug joy to stay oblivious and happy all the time.
Honestly not surprised, I was on kickstarter for 7 days to die, and in the very beginning not just the single map, just alot of the game felt disjointed and such zombies running in dark rooms and torches somehow slow them down which was just weird, but I think We happy few has the same problem. I'm sure in a while they will find a happy medium between crafting and survival with exploration and world building.
I've been following this game for a long time and I'm still looking forward to it. Nonetheless, I really appreciate the constructive criticism (concerning game mechanics) and hope the devs take note of this!
I know the game is early. I personally feel the same way about this game as Mike and Ryan. I also think their dissent is necessary. The team has time to objectively take players comments into account and fix or change as they see fit. But yeah, I was bored living in the inventory screens. Well it's been 45 seconds, time to eat, drink, and find a stick.
I like how they talk about GTA's flow of time, then go to WHF and say that "1 second = 1 minute" cycle makes no sence, disregarding that GTA games do exactly that.
good commentary guys. this game has so many cool ideas. when you see the footage, you want this game to be good, it looks so cool! seems a little too ambitious though, huh?
I feel so bad that these videos don't get the same reception as cinemassacre's other videos, cmon guys stop being so hard on ryan, and either way, we get more mike, and more mike is always good
Everybody is reviewing this early access game. You get the story when they release the game. If you want the background before the game is released then read 1984 and Brave New World, as well as watch A Clockwork Orange and Brazil.
Dead Island. Remember how awesome that trailer was. Prey and how that intro with the music and everything made us feel. This seems to be traveling on that path for now. I couldn't wait to play it. Just no fun at all. It's kind of funny but it seems like the developers are on Joy and we the players are not. Something to think about.
I really hope they listen to you guys and others who have expressed their opinions and tweak this game to make it more enjoyable. It looks really cool and the graphics engine looks nice as well, although the post apocalyptic thing has pretty well been done to death, I think this game still has a TON of potential!! I'll keep my peepers on this one, thanks for another great video guys!.....Mmmm ShitpicklE! ;O
I'd say they should make two gamemodes, story where you don't have to concern yourself with hunger, thirst etc and instead can just focus on the story, and survival, where you would have the survival stuff in, and maybe different, simpler objectives with less emphasis in story. So basically a mystery adventure game and a survival game, not a mystery adventure survival game
Watching the trailer, I got zero impression that it was going to be a rogue-like survival game. I got the impression that it was going to be a big story driven "choose when you stop taking Joy to see when shit hits the fan" kind of game.
It's a survival game, meaning you have to survive. To give you that feeling of survival, they give you limited resources and means to defend yourself. In Resident Evil they give you limited ammo for instance. This game just takes it to another level. If you don't like the concept of survival: fine, but judge the game on what it is, not on what you want it to be.
Survival Horror is a whole different genre than Survival games. To use your example, you didn't have to worry about your character's condition deteriorating over time in Resident Evil, nor did you have to scavenge for meager resources in a vast open world while dodging zombies and mutants.
Zeburaman2005 You had very limited supplies in Resident Evil. You could only shoot when you really had to, because otherwise you'd run out of bullets really soon. Same goes for herbs. I'm not saying this game is perfect: they do point out good flaws (like the day/night cycle being way too quick), but they pick on the survival aspect of this.....well, survival game.
TerrionGaming You misuderstood my point, that Survival Horror games and actual Survival games have very little in common. My comment wasn't even remotely about the quality of this particular game, since I haven't tried it yet. Also, having played all old school RE games, I have to say that it's very feasable to just mow down every creature save for a couple zombies. That only requires a bit of tactical thinking and saving the stongest weapons for the later parts of the game.
Zeburaman2005 The later Resident Evil took that aspect away, yes. But remember Resident Evil 1? You really couldn't gun down every zombie, since you needed the bullets so badly. But even so, it's a survival game. I don't see any horror elements in this game. Maybe I misused the terminology, so I apologize for that.
TerrionGaming No need to apologize, I guess I was being a bit too anal on these games' genres myself. It's just that to me the horror themed games of yesteryear are more focused on combat and evasion, as well as on puzzle solving, rather than on resources gathering survival. So games like Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Fatal Frame, etc. are more about dodging creatures long enough to take them out or flee, in a maze like setting. Whereas modern Survival games pit the player against human nature itself, where thirst, hunger, mental wellbeing and climatic conditions are your enemies. In that sense, both experiences are very different from one another. I agree, Resident Evil 1 was indeed a different beast compared to subsequent games. I guess my memories of it are a bit vague, since I only played it through once a long time ago.
I feel like this is one of those games where the developers have been like "lol people complain that modern games are too easy, so let's make things very tricky here!", and then make the game "challenging" by making the player feel confused and at an unfair disadvantage. The developers need to take a look at Perfect Dark for the N64 - that game is super-hard in a good way.
Seems like a good premise for a Vault-Tec Vault or isolated settlement that the inhabitants opened up to the outside world, honestly. Future mod for Fallout 4?
Can James and Mike do a let's play on the streets of rage games, you can also do a AVGN Review of Streets of Rage 3(which has mixed critical reception)
I've watched some gameplay and a whole play through and I have also heard these same complains however to me it doesn't seem that unmanageable and as you progress through the story getting food and water becomes even more attainable which is the mark of a good game. The system for crafting I heard was bad but to me it seems just simple enough anyone can do it but complex enough that if you want to do more with it you can. Days didn't look to go too fast either and the point is supposed to be that the downers don't talk and are depressed so they wouldn't try talking to you. The wellingtons, spoilers do need a bit more dialogue I'll agree but the idea of them is that joy makes you happy but also forgetful so while they do walk and talk with everyone you can imagine it's a very thin conversation of mainly pleasantries and then onto the same conversation to the next person. Besides being early access I do think conversations will be added with more important characters down the line.
You guys did not spend enough time playing, there is a steep learning curve, but it gets really good. Also the setting is a post alternate history following WW2
Ryan is a pretty bulky guy and I can still see his skull when I look him in the eyes. (Underneath it, anyways) I want to give him blankets and cookies and good medicine and watch him recover.
They need to kill most of the crafting and "survival game" elements, and make it a fun and creepy "run for your life in this alice madness returns / bioshock world " game
These guys act like they've never played a survival game before. They should try a really good one, like The Long Dark. I would love to see these guys play TLD on normal or hard difficulty.
I've seen a lot of people complain about how demanding this game is. At this point I'd be very surprised if the developers didn't really pull back on how often you need stuff.
Actually, there was talk about said apocalypse in an earlier review on it. According to the article, this is a game set in an alternative history where the Axis powers won World War II and bombed Great Britain to hell. So to keep from commiting suicide, because they lost, the Brits take Joy to forget it all.
I'm not denying insight here, but this is more so a critique of the survival genre than it is of this game in particular. The survival genre is definitely not for everyone; but vulnerability can majorly boost immersion and how real the world feels when, like real life, it's not designed for your convenience.
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I'm sure the majority of the complaints mentioned here will be addressed further down the line.
We only have 40% of the game (Or close to that number) with no story outside of the introduction
Yes, as Ryan and I discussed near the end of the video, hopefully they will be able to fix the issues before release. -Mike
+Cinemassacre "if" they release. It's all a preview version.
iamelloyello Good point
terrorsquadlith His name is Ryan.
There's always one
The premise is excellent. Sadly, the decision to offer an open world survival isn't as exciting or attracting.
You hit the nail on the head there. It looked terrifying in the trailer. I thought the survival element would come from escaping these crazy residents, but instead it turned into a typical eat/sleep/drink game.
Yeah, well. I hate when people complain about a game because it's a different genre than what they would make. They aren't developers. You can't rely on other people to make the game YOU wish YOU had made if you have the talent and skills. They are making the game THEY gained those skills to make.
Krylo22 You don't like it.. fine. Other people do.
It should have been a linear or semi open world game
+JazGalaxy That's fine, he's not telling you not to like it, he's just giving his opinion on it.
Yknow, differing opinions?
From the criticism I see people wanted this to be bioshock, it's not its intention from the start was to be a survival game and it is still in very early access, and they have said they will change and add things in the development.
Of course they will improve things. Mike and whoever the other guys is, they're just giving feedback on HOW to improve it. NerdCubed also said that this version of the game cost him 30 dollars, so he was sort of expecting something better than...whatever this game is right now.
Oh yea without a doubt the game needs alot of improvement via stealth and combat I dont see this becoming a 60$ title, but still optimistic about things :D
The story alone has me super into the game :D also yea dejavu goin on ^___^
Everyone and their dog is trying to make the next Minecraft only do it in a world that's realistically rendered instead of being made of lego blocks. Which is the next obvious step. But they're all failing either because they're just plain bad, unable or unwilling to find a balance between common sense realism and gameplay especially in crafting, horrifically difficult, or possibly worst of all, balanced for a huge number of people working together in multiplayer.
Funny, because GTA literally uses the EXACT same formula for day and night. 1 minute = 1 second.
This game started off so strong with the creepy environment, but it turns into a mess. There's just nothing outside of the beginning that's remotely entertaining.
This. The problem with it isn't so much the universe, it's the aimless wandering and crafting that kills it. I kind of liked the main character and his connection to Joy. It reminded me of Haze, the failed PS3 first person shooter. The constant struggle between an illusion of happiness and reality rings a bell all too well with many of us. But, let's ignore any of that deep thinking that just happened in the first ten minutes, let's wander around and craft stuff! Don't forget managing food and water! ISN'T THIS FUN?!
+TheLeagueObservers I feel like these people came up with a great idea, but then some random guy on the team walked over to them and said; Hey, this is a great idea! But you know what people like right now? Survival games! Subnautica, 7 days to die, stranded, ark , Day- z! - you want your game to be popular? Make it a survival! All of this British dystopia will make it unique in that field!
Except... Well... - the running trend with most survival games is that they don't have any story. The objective of trying to find resources to keep your character alive is more than enough to keep you busy. Adding story on top of that is overwhelming, unless there is an abundance of resources. It's hard to get involved in a story when you're worrying if you brought enough food with you, or if you realise you ran out of water - you're always getting pulled away from the story.
+SwiftFoxyGamer Ummm, they were just examples..- I don't actually think someone went to them and said those exact words. That part was meant to be a joke. My actual thoughts on the game are featured below that joke.
sneezydragonlol well still this is early access when it fully comes out of early access it'll have survival aspects plus a fully fledged story line unlike most survival games that are just survive and escape or just survive
read the early access page and then you will realize why
I thought this game was going to a bioshock or modern adventure game, but since it's a open world survival game I'm passing on it completely.
that trailer was very misleading in a way
That's the thing game designers don't understand is that going down the path of making it pointless to fight anyone and have to search for food takes away the escape and fun. People play games to have fun, not to be bored.
I will say that open world survival games are trendy genre currently, but like Pascal said, the trailer is misleading and I am not a fan of that style of game.
Don't be trendy. Be a trend setter that doesn't turn off your audience XD
Yeah it's weird that they went with that decision .
It's a good thing this game is still in pre-alpha. They have a lot of work to do before they release the full version, or they're going to have a giant flop on total sales.
this is my favourite atari jaguar game!
Can we get access to that "Bioshock Orange" pic? That was amazing.
Man, I hate it when survival games can't manage to make a proper hunger/thirst mechanic. Remember Metal Gear Solid 3? That game had a (no pun intended) solid hunger mechanic. Your stamina bar would get low slowly, and if it reached the end you'd start losing life.
You didn't have to be _constantly_ eating, only once in a while, there was plenty of food everywhere, and some kinds would fill you better than others. That was a great game, I can't recommend it enough.
I agree with you on all points, except for the cliché nature - I think that's the point and the conformity to stereotypes helps demonstrate how clearly dystopian everything is. Bioshock itself does this quite a bit, and definitely for the same purpose. Like if I had to design a world in which everyone was brainwashed into "perfection," I'd totally integrate stereotypes.
I think it's a little much to imply they implemented clichés in order to be subversive, though if they did on purpose I'd think that was an awful creative decision - make a good game, don't try and be clever and make a bad one to subvert expectations
Gareth Graham I couldn't disagree more. That's the point of joy - you aren't clever. Many games have done the same thing. Fallout 3 did it with Tranquility Lane with the "perfect TV family"
dystopian worlds are cliche themselves. nothing fun or interesting about it anymore. nothing about this is new or different.
You can do the conformity thing well, and you can do it badly. Bioshock did it well, this game seems to do it horribly badly.
The developers obviously want it to feel like you are in Britain so if there would be no stereotypical british stuff it would not feel like thats where the game takes place and could just be America or any random place in the western world.
how did you ever die of starvation?? i have to constantly drop food by the 10s because my inventory is so full of it
"Sunless Sea" is a good example of mixing story with Rogue Like gameplay. It's tough to pull off, but it can be done.
What modern day games do Mike & Ryan like? lol Y'all should change the name of the show for "Let's talk about games" to "Let's talk and complain." Don't get me wrong I'm one of y'all number one fans. Keep up the good work.
They have a bunch positive reviews on their playlist.
The last review we did before this was a game called Space Run Galaxy, which I loved. I also really liked layers of fear, shovel knight, transformers, axiom verge, dead by daylight, lakeview cabin and some others. -Mike
clueless ...
***** They did say that in the video.
they loved doom, ryan loved overwatch,
This game honestly creeps me out! XD
its pretty freaky!
Ikr
Sir, You Are Being Hunted is way creepier (Not valid since I haven't played We Happy Few)
yuh it looks spooky like bioshock but too bad it sucks ):
Same here
'' lung meter'' you can also call it a stamina meter
''I have to stop and eat something >:c''
Mike is not familiar with survival games, but then again, I have not played this particular survival game. Eating is always a hassle, like in don't starve.
I was looking forward to this but it seems to have too many problems.
Probably rent it or buy it when it's cheap.
They're gonna need to do a lot of fixing for me to get this.
It's about halfway done so what did you expect? o.O
On another note having seen some of Splattercat's videos I'd say that some of Cinemassacre's critique are well thought out E.G. the time flow. Other parts like the genre I'd say that they game seem to handle quite well.
It's somewhat amusing ,though, to hear them say that it didn't take them long to notice that he was no Rambo and then showed recordings of them (seemingly) treating the stick of a man (which the character is) like he was your run-of-the-mill action character! :D
Oh and my other opinion on early access is that if you buy it you deserve what you get! Don't use money you wouldn't mind losing (as what you're doing is pretty much lending it to a stranger and hope that you'll get t back)
These early thoughts on this game really remind me of my experience with Sir You Are Being Hunted.
Such high hopes for a game that bored me out of it in less than an hour.
Still...I'm gonna see for myself. Can't say I wasn't warned haha
Why is Mike so angry? jesus christ someone didn't take their Joy pill
The game made him mad.
he gets bord really easy. especially if he isn't playing much. he hated Till Dawn. and he was noticeably board.
he was a piece of wood?
Because everything is shit.
Bord because word is mike has that wood.
Thanks for this dissection of the game, I always worry buying games that aren't complete yet. This looked amazing in the trailer, but with the complaints I've heard here and from others who played it, I will hold onto my money for the time being. I really want this game to be good in the future, it has a lot of potential.
Unless you have money to just throw away, you shouldn't really buy early access titles.
i adore the art style of this game. the stilization really gives it a special athmosphere, while distinctly looking and feeling like a video game. the looks fit the twisted world.
gameplay wise it's a lot like pathologic. but not as brutally difficult, as of yet.
I'm loving this game so far and I can't wait to see more of the game released. Glad I bought it.
Haha, Mike you're hilarious! The Fountain Head, Alphabet of Manliness, the Energizer Bunny and Safehouse video cover. Awesome! Great work Mike, you rock!
I really miss "AVGN"
the videos still exist
AVGN lost it's mojo after goin to HD. Move on bro
+Penn Gwynn Yeah exactly.
I hope you guys revisit this when it releases. And talk about how your criticisms have or have not been addressed. That'd be a really cool follow-up video.
Roguelike isnt like a survival game...its something completely different..
yea. i was confused when he said that
Old style roguelikes are often top down, turn based, and procedurally generated.
+gm My exact thought too. The only roguelike without a food-clock I know is TOME4.
+deektedrgg
You're forgetting Spelunky. Oh, and Rogue Legacy.
deektedrgg
I didn't even know they were a separate thing.
5:42 The Fountainhead? Bioshock reference? Or is the book really in the game?
A survival game? Thats a shame. I was really hoping for a bioshock 1 gameplay and atmosphere but pre-collapse. The (e3?) preview for this game looked amazing and it really looked like that was the direction they were going. Oh well.
Another kickass review guys, good info and thorough
Pokemon Go has done some real good job for Ryan. Dude looks much healthier and seems like he has washed his hair too. nice!
The good thing is that the developers are listening to the feedback and are trying to improve the game.
I've been in love with this game since seeing other youtubers play it months ago. I'm so glad it's finally out. It's not going to appeal to everyone, but it's important to remember that it's in early access right now. There's a good chance that so much is going to change.
You find the perfect word on why i feel wrong on this game. Great talk ^^
I love the guilty smile Mike made when he said "Trippy game"
LOL! That's a really good observation - what if in games, your character walked at the speed they ought to walk given the time compression or the frequency of other activities? How fast would you be charging around? I almost want to see that coded up now. :)
will be interesting to see how the final build will turn out.
'Clockwork Shock'?! Surely 'Shockwork Orange'?
drug induced in the population at large...so more "brave new world" although it's a lot harder to get a clever crossover title outta that.
The final game was just released - PLEASE REREVIEW!
Its pretty good for a 20 person team, hopefully with all the attention theyre getting they'll expand and improve on the game
I never read "The Fountainhead," (mentioned at 5:30) but "Alphabet of Manliness" was great.
I wonder when Maddox will finish his new book...
this game is brilliant its pure survival the mechanics make the whole thing real
Isn't that joy thingie lifted from "Lisa"?
Yeah, I just thought that there now as well.
Also, you know, the book, Brave New World. It's not a new concept.
*soma
terminaldeity No I didn't, thanks for enlightening us all.
+terminaldeity I read the Russian translation (since I'm a slav and stuff), where it's called a bit different for phonetic reasons, so I actually didn't knew about that. Thank you, unironically
The Alphabet Of Manliness is such an amazing book! :D
When this game is complete, would this be live stream just to see if it has your expectation in the future? though I guess Mike won't give it another chance.
Hope they listen. They probably won't. Remember The Order 1886? They were getting warned up the wazoo by people playing early versions of the game, and they just released it that way anyway. Bad move.
I honestly dont think the story is post-apocalyptic.... it seemed more like the world became a junkie hive mind and things slowly broken down over time, not some sort of cataclysmic event.
There was a terrible event that the British used to end WW1 (in the games story), and to forget what they had done, they invented the drug joy to stay oblivious and happy all the time.
That's an even shittier story
How so?
WW1 you say? that seems a bit stupid considering this is based in the 60s :P maybe WW2 would make sense
05:20 Are the topic awkwardly changed?
Honestly not surprised, I was on kickstarter for 7 days to die, and in the very beginning not just the single map, just alot of the game felt disjointed and such zombies running in dark rooms and torches somehow slow them down which was just weird, but I think We happy few has the same problem. I'm sure in a while they will find a happy medium between crafting and survival with exploration and world building.
I've been following this game for a long time and I'm still looking forward to it. Nonetheless, I really appreciate the constructive criticism (concerning game mechanics) and hope the devs take note of this!
I might wait for the full complete version. This does look like an interesting game tough
Fallout's survival mode has been received very well, and that game still has a strong narrative and lore heavy world.
Sounds like the eating/drinking/sleeping system should be optional. Like the "Hardcore Mode" in Fallout New Vegas.
I agree on all points. If you put the option of exploration in a game...you need time to explore.
I know the game is early. I personally feel the same way about this game as Mike and Ryan. I also think their dissent is necessary. The team has time to objectively take players comments into account and fix or change as they see fit. But yeah, I was bored living in the inventory screens. Well it's been 45 seconds, time to eat, drink, and find a stick.
I like how they talk about GTA's flow of time, then go to WHF and say that "1 second = 1 minute" cycle makes no sence, disregarding that GTA games do exactly that.
Remember when Ryan was on J&MM while playing royal rumble?
good commentary guys. this game has so many cool ideas. when you see the footage, you want this game to be good, it looks so cool! seems a little too ambitious though, huh?
Whoa, please don't tell that's supposed to be a piece of meat at 2:12 ? I thought this was 2016 and made with the unreal engine.
I feel so bad that these videos don't get the same reception as cinemassacre's other videos, cmon guys stop being so hard on ryan, and either way, we get more mike, and more mike is always good
Everybody is reviewing this early access game. You get the story when they release the game. If you want the background before the game is released then read 1984 and Brave New World, as well as watch A Clockwork Orange and Brazil.
You really need to include James in these.
That F-Zero poster on the left :)
There was already exist an exellent exampe of that kinda games, called "Pathologic" by Ice Peak Lodge.
Dead Island. Remember how awesome that trailer was. Prey and how that intro with the music and everything made us feel. This seems to be traveling on that path for now. I couldn't wait to play it. Just no fun at all. It's kind of funny but it seems like the developers are on Joy and we the players are not. Something to think about.
I'd like it if they made the survival aspect were included in a "hardcore" mode and have a more streamlined main game.
Getting yelled at by crazy british people. Sounds a lot like my own life.
I really hope they listen to you guys and others who have expressed their opinions and tweak this game to make it more enjoyable. It looks really cool and the graphics engine looks nice as well, although the post apocalyptic thing has pretty well been done to death, I think this game still has a TON of potential!! I'll keep my peepers on this one, thanks for another great video guys!.....Mmmm ShitpicklE! ;O
I'd like to see what becomes of this game when it fully releases. You guys should come back to it then.
I'd say they should make two gamemodes, story where you don't have to concern yourself with hunger, thirst etc and instead can just focus on the story, and survival, where you would have the survival stuff in, and maybe different, simpler objectives with less emphasis in story. So basically a mystery adventure game and a survival game, not a mystery adventure survival game
Watching the trailer, I got zero impression that it was going to be a rogue-like survival game. I got the impression that it was going to be a big story driven "choose when you stop taking Joy to see when shit hits the fan" kind of game.
great analysis ryan!
I would like a 1984 dystopian FPS game that has that open world feel like 2009's Wolfenstein, but on a much bigger scale.
This is very Burroughs-esque, I dig it
Most survival games have similar issues with food and others but it's hard to make it right so just wait for a couple of patches!
It's a survival game, meaning you have to survive. To give you that feeling of survival, they give you limited resources and means to defend yourself. In Resident Evil they give you limited ammo for instance. This game just takes it to another level. If you don't like the concept of survival: fine, but judge the game on what it is, not on what you want it to be.
Survival Horror is a whole different genre than Survival games. To use your example, you didn't have to worry about your character's condition deteriorating over time in Resident Evil, nor did you have to scavenge for meager resources in a vast open world while dodging zombies and mutants.
Zeburaman2005
You had very limited supplies in Resident Evil. You could only shoot when you really had to, because otherwise you'd run out of bullets really soon. Same goes for herbs.
I'm not saying this game is perfect: they do point out good flaws (like the day/night cycle being way too quick), but they pick on the survival aspect of this.....well, survival game.
TerrionGaming You misuderstood my point, that Survival Horror games and actual Survival games have very little in common. My comment wasn't even remotely about the quality of this particular game, since I haven't tried it yet.
Also, having played all old school RE games, I have to say that it's very feasable to just mow down every creature save for a couple zombies. That only requires a bit of tactical thinking and saving the stongest weapons for the later parts of the game.
Zeburaman2005
The later Resident Evil took that aspect away, yes. But remember Resident Evil 1? You really couldn't gun down every zombie, since you needed the bullets so badly. But even so, it's a survival game. I don't see any horror elements in this game. Maybe I misused the terminology, so I apologize for that.
TerrionGaming No need to apologize, I guess I was being a bit too anal on these games' genres myself. It's just that to me the horror themed games of yesteryear are more focused on combat and evasion, as well as on puzzle solving, rather than on resources gathering survival. So games like Resident Evil, Silent Hill, Fatal Frame, etc. are more about dodging creatures long enough to take them out or flee, in a maze like setting. Whereas modern Survival games pit the player against human nature itself, where thirst, hunger, mental wellbeing and climatic conditions are your enemies. In that sense, both experiences are very different from one another.
I agree, Resident Evil 1 was indeed a different beast compared to subsequent games. I guess my memories of it are a bit vague, since I only played it through once a long time ago.
I feel like this is one of those games where the developers have been like "lol people complain that modern games are too easy, so let's make things very tricky here!", and then make the game "challenging" by making the player feel confused and at an unfair disadvantage.
The developers need to take a look at Perfect Dark for the N64 - that game is super-hard in a good way.
Seems like a good premise for a Vault-Tec Vault or isolated settlement that the inhabitants opened up to the outside world, honestly. Future mod for Fallout 4?
If this game was set in France all the NPC's would be singing Frere Jacques.
Every time I hear the word Joy as a drug, it reminds me of Lisa the Painful RPG where Joy is consider a drug as well, but with a massive side effect.
You need to do update video after the game is out of early access
Ever played Super Luigi on Wii U? I stopped after world 1... so sad
Mike - "they should have made 25-40 mins for a day to go by"
4:49 1 sec = 1 min so 1 day would be 24 mins :D
From this review they said that basically this game is hard
Can James and Mike do a let's play on the streets of rage games, you can also do a AVGN Review of Streets of Rage 3(which has mixed critical reception)
I've watched some gameplay and a whole play through and I have also heard these same complains however to me it doesn't seem that unmanageable and as you progress through the story getting food and water becomes even more attainable which is the mark of a good game. The system for crafting I heard was bad but to me it seems just simple enough anyone can do it but complex enough that if you want to do more with it you can. Days didn't look to go too fast either and the point is supposed to be that the downers don't talk and are depressed so they wouldn't try talking to you. The wellingtons, spoilers do need a bit more dialogue I'll agree but the idea of them is that joy makes you happy but also forgetful so while they do walk and talk with everyone you can imagine it's a very thin conversation of mainly pleasantries and then onto the same conversation to the next person. Besides being early access I do think conversations will be added with more important characters down the line.
I feel like if they slow down time, slow down depletion of resources, increase number of weapons/items-the game could be quite enjoyable.
The beginning reminds me of 1984 (the book and the movie). It looks doubleplusgood. But my bellyfeel says the gameplay could get better.
The E3 trailer really hooked me. Sadly, I guess it wasn't a true reflection on the game. Hopefully they can improve it down the line.
I have put this game off my wishlist because i thought it was going to be like bioshock.
You guys did not spend enough time playing, there is a steep learning curve, but it gets really good. Also the setting is a post alternate history following WW2
Ryan is a pretty bulky guy and I can still see his skull when I look him in the eyes. (Underneath it, anyways) I want to give him blankets and cookies and good medicine and watch him recover.
They need to kill most of the crafting and "survival game" elements, and make it a fun and creepy "run for your life in this alice madness returns / bioshock world " game
It sounds like you want the game to be a slow, story-based game like Bioshock when it's trying to be a fast paced action survival game like Spelunky.
These guys act like they've never played a survival game before. They should try a really good one, like The Long Dark. I would love to see these guys play TLD on normal or hard difficulty.
I've seen a lot of people complain about how demanding this game is. At this point I'd be very surprised if the developers didn't really pull back on how often you need stuff.
Why bioshock? I'm glad that theirs no health regen.
You should live stream when you capture footage.
Actually, there was talk about said apocalypse in an earlier review on it. According to the article, this is a game set in an alternative history where the Axis powers won World War II and bombed Great Britain to hell. So to keep from commiting suicide, because they lost, the Brits take Joy to forget it all.
Plus the story mode isn't even out for this game, now that they commented on the lack of character development/story.
I'm not denying insight here, but this is more so a critique of the survival genre than it is of this game in particular. The survival genre is definitely not for everyone; but vulnerability can majorly boost immersion and how real the world feels when, like real life, it's not designed for your convenience.