My favorite part about Grover is that even in high ELO lobbies people still somehow forget to check the waterfall closet on Serpent Beach and you can just sit there and heal where a majority of the fighting is going on for a bit and pick your spots to take fights. 😂
Is it worth to ban VII in this map? cuz i once saw my friend try him there, and the walls just fucked him over sooo hard that i don't even ban him anymore
@Random videos Jenos is better. Jenos has all talents available to him and Grover has one. If I was up against a Grover I'd pick luminary and outheal him. Also, Grover is pretty bad at defending himself so he'll most likely run and put himself out of range of some teammates where jenos can defend or go back to spawn and still heal his team. I'm not saying Grover is horrible. I'm just saying Jenos is probably a cut above him in terms of utility and healing.
@@closeenough1343 Grover - - Better burst healing - Better getaway and mobility that also heals - infinitely better ultimate that greatly heals - cripples and slows and also reduces healing cooldown - Voiced by the Prince of all Saiyan's himself.
@@closeenough1343 Grover is good at defending himself. Jenos is good at running away lol. Grover does more damage and has burst healing. he heals for a ton. Grover > Jenos > Lilith If Jenos was overpowered all his talents would be viable but its only luminary. His other talents are countered by items and they're items decent player's usually buy. mediocre damage and mediocre ult that doesn't guarantee a kill. Grover gets ult fast and heals for a ton if your ally is out of caut which they should be because its common sense to get out of cauterize when your support is trying to heal you. Jenos has the best late game heals and overtime heals while in cauterize but that's all. Healing numbers don't mean much when he cannot output good damage and enough utility to support the team. They're both meta but overall Grover is a better support because he provides more to the team. Jenos is just meta in healing at the moment. One nerf could make him not meta. Grover will always be strong because of his kit, his cards, and how reliable of a support he can be. The only talent not viable for him is sadly deep roots tho. And to be honest. Good Grovers are rare, they output alot of dmg and healing with ease all the time.
@@RandomVids0987 Disagree on mobility part. Jenos has 1 second cooldown of his mobility. its consistent. Grover has better getaway for sure tho. The problem with it is it has a long cooldown so you need to use vine cards to get it and its only 1 charge and you need to know where and when to use vine.
@Dr Fate sniper sure, but he's pretty bad against good tanks. Where jenos absolutely shines. With dozer or wrecker he can make the enemy tanks lives miserable and still heal a crazy amount. Grover just doesn't have that. I do like both of them, though. I think they both have their uses.
My favorite part about Grover is that even in high ELO lobbies people still somehow forget to check the waterfall closet on Serpent Beach and you can just sit there and heal where a majority of the fighting is going on for a bit and pick your spots to take fights. 😂
That Lex, Slade, also plays on controller. I see him in my games too as he's friends with Blade lol. Two crazy flank mains
Hmm I might need to play with the blossom radius card more, it's a lot bigger than I realised
yeah i used to play the cripple reset card and not the range card but my heals have improved since running range instead
@@josslonsdale5705 yea gonna give that a try. The cripple isn't reliable enough in a heated match
@@josslonsdale5705 just use both
10:55 lol, Ash voice line mixing
What? She needed that Strix to bully him :)
Why is Jenos so great together with Torvald?
pockets, mainly on flanks. torvald shield prevents damage from spilling over your health
Didnt Lex get that rework with his M1? Or is it a talent that the enemy lex was using so that he was shooting so fast?
Lex default fire is fast but causes a lot of screen shake so people don't like it. But it is a bit more consistent dmg.
am I blind for just noticing that Andrew has his Q and F abilities binded to "Thumb"?
He had it for ages, so yeah 😅
How do you heal with Vine? It looks like second charge of blossom
Talent
They reworked the first talent to heal with a mini blossom at the end of the vine
Thanks, I missed that in the patch notes I guess
Is it worth to ban VII in this map? cuz i once saw my friend try him there, and the walls just fucked him over sooo hard that i don't even ban him anymore
100% agree on banning Jenos. I know people appreciate the buffs but he's definitely too strong.
He's not too strong but OK. Grover is better.
@Random videos Jenos is better. Jenos has all talents available to him and Grover has one. If I was up against a Grover I'd pick luminary and outheal him. Also, Grover is pretty bad at defending himself so he'll most likely run and put himself out of range of some teammates where jenos can defend or go back to spawn and still heal his team. I'm not saying Grover is horrible. I'm just saying Jenos is probably a cut above him in terms of utility and healing.
@@closeenough1343 Grover -
- Better burst healing
- Better getaway and mobility that also heals
- infinitely better ultimate that greatly heals
- cripples and slows and also reduces healing cooldown
- Voiced by the Prince of all Saiyan's himself.
@@closeenough1343 Grover is good at defending himself. Jenos is good at running away lol.
Grover does more damage and has burst healing. he heals for a ton.
Grover > Jenos > Lilith
If Jenos was overpowered all his talents would be viable but its only luminary. His other talents are countered by items and they're items decent player's usually buy. mediocre damage and mediocre ult that doesn't guarantee a kill. Grover gets ult fast and heals for a ton if your ally is out of caut which they should be because its common sense to get out of cauterize when your support is trying to heal you.
Jenos has the best late game heals and overtime heals while in cauterize but that's all.
Healing numbers don't mean much when he cannot output good damage and enough utility to support the team.
They're both meta but overall Grover is a better support because he provides more to the team. Jenos is just meta in healing at the moment. One nerf could make him not meta.
Grover will always be strong because of his kit, his cards, and how reliable of a support he can be. The only talent not viable for him is sadly deep roots tho.
And to be honest. Good Grovers are rare, they output alot of dmg and healing with ease all the time.
@@RandomVids0987 Disagree on mobility part. Jenos has 1 second cooldown of his mobility. its consistent.
Grover has better getaway for sure tho. The problem with it is it has a long cooldown so you need to use vine cards to get it and its only 1 charge and you need to know where and when to use vine.
YO IM EARLY
Jenos is still better
I agree. Had a match with a Jenos and have 245k healing.
grover still best sniper healer
jenos is better flank heals, grover has more burst and dmg.
@Dr Fate sniper sure, but he's pretty bad against good tanks. Where jenos absolutely shines. With dozer or wrecker he can make the enemy tanks lives miserable and still heal a crazy amount. Grover just doesn't have that. I do like both of them, though. I think they both have their uses.
False.
The menu and stuff to these games ruin them.
Grover is okay although he is fairly easy to take down if you’re with Skye
nobody uses skye in higher elo since it sucks
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My favorite thing about casual or ranked is the constant throwing teammates 🤔 stupid yes dumb I know.