it seems like Miyabi is still not up, so I'm very tempted to pull for the King herself. I still can't believe it was Lighter instead, but a lot of people seem very happy with him, so I'm down to wait some more in the meantime
@@Starrofheart Nicole is glued to Zhu Yuan and even discounting that does not effectively work with Neko's massive laundry list of damage requirements, Anby is legit trash whose only used because she's the only A rank in her class. And neither of them can effectively proc Assault for Neko which she desperately wants because by the time she procs it herself her damage window has already passed.
this is Caesar👑 she is a defense 🛡 type unit with 1000 atk🗡 buff, she has 40 energy🔋cost skill, and you can parry ⚔ attacks to inflict massive daze💫, get huge shield 🛡, apply vulnerability⬇ to enemy. she ults💥 and does extra⬆ daze💫 to shielded🛡 enemy, and gains extra impact⬆💫 when using defensive assist. so her hold basic- AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Spent almost all my polychromes, lost the 50/50 to S11 (who i use so not the worst) but had enough left for 2 pulls and got her. I expect to get hit by a car today.
lol, I also lost my 50/50 to S11, who I already had and was using, then got ceasar withing the next 20 pulls. I, however, do not expect to get hit by a car today.
I lost my M1 to Soldier 11 today, felt real pain, but now I’m motivated to go for M2 instead of stopping at M1, looking like I’m going to have to break the wallet out
She looks neat. Cool they're already dipping into an alternate use for Assist Points. My Qingyi is pretty invested though so I'll see how much I enjoy the parry gameplay from trials etc. before pulling. Nice guide as always -- didn't think of using a Passive-less Stun W-Engine!
I wasn't going to get her because all the free to play shield weapons don't really fit her and then you come and say such sacrilegious thing... to use a d-different role weapon?! Th-that's crazy enough to work actually! lol
Btw, for W-Engines, the Demara Mark II (Anby sig W-Engine), is also a very solid choice, and in terms of raw stats just better than the Precious Fossilized Core. It has the same Impact% substat (15%), and flat out 30 more base ATK over it (624 ATK). Plus it is completely F2P since all players should have gotten one for free since the start of the game.
Everyone lists Caesar with Seth and Jane as one of her best if not the best team, but Caesar does have innate negative synergy with physical anomaly units, because on her listed standard build she contributes to assault build up and with low anomaly proficiency it will lower the teams assault damage. The positives of her kit might outweigh this and if she does run high AP and perhaps Seth's weapon it can be counteracted completely, but I don't see many content creators talking about this in their guides. You're the first one I've seen mention it.
At least with her Sig the positives wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiildly outweigh this. Running her in my Piper team with Lucy instead of whatever flex char I used on situational basis before cut down any clear times by like a third and her passive is only at 900 atk buff for me atm. 1000+ is like an extra 30+% ATK that does get added to anomaly build up along with damage received from her debuff, not to mention since she functions as a stunner and stun multiplier also contributes to anomaly that's even more damage, since you usually wouldn't use a stunner in an anomaly team.
Guobelle, get em! Caesar has the honor of convincing me to get my first limited wengine. Sure her other options may not be excellent, but I really only got it because I like her so much.
She's amazing, and as you suggested she runs so well with S11 and Lucy and is fabulous with Jane/Seth. So worth, I got her W-engine too because damn that thing is cracked.
I already prepared mats for her and my god she makes the game much easier, zhongli all over again hahaha, also like that one of her alt attacks group up enemies like a mini nicole move, overall I can see her being REALLY good on any team, a good 3rd character since she offers so much, I hope im lucky with the 50/50 with burnice otherwise I might end up having to spend a little just to get her.
She's a universal support that can fit into any team with insane numbers. Basically the Kazuha or Robin of ZZZ, basically an utterly broken unit. She will either never be powercrept or Hoyo will just say fuck it and break the game balance by powercreeping her.
I'm sure actual limited supports will offer way bigger offensive buffs than her, and limited stunners will have their niches where they shine more. I think she's going to remain the comfy braindead option that fits into any team, more similar to Zhongli in Genshin
As someone else said, she is more zzz's zhongli. But I think she will be even more valuable long term then he has been. I doubt we will get healers in zzz. And while right now it isn't to big a deal, eventually it will be a problem. Content will get harder and harder. Eventually just you normal health bar isn't going to be enough to clear content. So I think shielders will only go up in value as time goes on.
@@betulla96The problem is stunners and supports need to do something insane in order to outshine her. She gives damage bonus, attack buff, interruption resistance, grouping, a shield, and fast stuns all at the same time. She simply does way too many things at once. This isn’t a jack of all trades master of none situation she’s just straight up better a lot of the time. They made a mistake with Caesar and they will soon realize it because stuns and supports need be insane in order to compete and that’s an easy road to power creep.
I remember when I said the same thing about Seth using an Anomaly or Attack W-engine since its more resource efficient and calcs are similar to his sig if players didn't wanna commit and I got torn up lmao. But now Guoba suggests it and he's a messiah
Also, I mostly want her for Corin, thrle grouping is huge. I don't see it in your teams, but I imagine it works. Other team for me is Lucy S11 (Ben) anyway, if things don't work out the way I expect.
Got her M1 on accident and i can’t wait to build her. The billy team looks quite interesting! Can’t wait to see what teams can be cooked with Lighter too
ooh congrats! i also got my first ever double 5 star since playing mihoyo games unfortunately it wasn't double caeser but it did leave me with guarantee for my next 5 tsar
I am guaranteed for my next S rank, but I will probably save it for Burnice, since I don't want to be too meta focused in this gacha game. I might shoot myself in the foot with this, but I already have every Stun agent in the game, so I'll be making my older units redundant if I recklessly get Caesar now. She's extremely fun to play, though, so I'm definitely gonna regret it a little!
Originally wanted to skip Ceasar for Burnice but looks like I can get 160+ pulls for Burnice so I decided to pull for Ceasar, might as well get her in 50/50 and then if not Burnice later. Got really lucky and got Ceasar in 20 pulls, so I figured I might as well then get her W engine which I got in 30. Super lucky, super grateful. I'm pretty confident I'll get Burnice too.
I use her as a support for my M6 DD Seth because it's hilarious and strong combo, they both doing tons of daze and disorder with anomaly drive Caesar, and you can't die even on 11 difficulty garden with those two M1 Rina in 3rd slot makes it even more broken lmao
11:55 I'd be more interested in replacing Lycaon instead of Soukaku here, less time spent stunned but more out of stun dmg. From the little calcs i've seen, it should be better than replacing Soukaku but idk if said calcs will change with practical testing. Not that it'd necessarily be better than Soukaku+Lycaon combo, moreso if you're gonna replace one or don't have Lycaon, you'd prob replace the Lycaon role since they're both fulfilling the stunning/buffer role
Disclaimer: my Caesar is already built with core E using 4p proto/2p jazz 45/112 cr/cd 2k atk 163 impact using fossil stunner wengine during this Based on my personal experience vs the new weekly boss (ran it around 4 times for core f) you can just stick with Caesar doing perfect block > ex2 until you can spam lyca ex into stun then unload with ellen then just repeat. Caesar built well actually can make up some of the off stun damage ellen can do by having faster stuns. Caesar’s daze is just really insane in general tbh
@@Chorongow Her daze being good is why it feels kinda weird overlapping both her and Lycaon on the same team IMO. I'd rather just use Soukaku to double down on the buffs in exchange for the faster stuns since Ellen isn’t tied to in-stun dmg like Zhu Yuan is. Maybe I'm not seeing something tho idk
Lycaon being able to increase the stun multiplier and soukaku requiring quite a bit of field time for what would be an ice res and more saturated atk buff makes it seem like lycaon could stun until ceasar parries and then she frontloads her stun with her energy.
I may be benching my Ben now that I have her. Much as I love him, she does what he does and more while being less awkward to play since she doesn't have slow attacks with long animations. All Ben really has over her is the crit he can provide, but the only character I have that can use it is Anton.
Design wise, I like Caesar more, but Burnice is anomaly fire and her playstyle sold me.... But I ended pulling for Caesar, the buffs she provides are insane, I can't pair her with Ellen right now since I don't have Lycaon... But it's a matter of time, and with Jane and Seth, the buffs are so juicy, I managed to get Jane to 5000 Atk and 500+ AP at times... I was using Lucy up until now and It was fun, it's fun to trigger Lucy's assist and the mobility you get with it is really good, you launch the thirens 20m away and it almost feels like a teleport... But her buff is quite short and doesn't reach this level, plus, any shielding you give Jane is a bless, even if you already have Seth with her. I lost my 50/50 and got another Koleda... And ended using like 90 pulls I have saved... I hope I get enough to pull for Burnice 🙏
Hey Gouba (or anyone in the know), could you explain what the difference is between an additive damage taken debuff and a vulnerability debuff (mentioned at 7:03 or so)? Like how does it work out mathematically, or practically? What situation would make one debuff more valuable than the other?
The damage formula has many different elements that are all multiplied together. An additive multiplier adds to your character’s stats, while a vulnerability is a debuff oh the enemy, which means that it is multiplied instead of added. To illustrate: Say you have 1000 damage at baseline with 50% damage bonus. The baseline damage would be 1000 * 150% = 1500 damage. Now let’s say you have a 50% damage bonus. The damage is now 1000 * (150+50)% = 2000 damage. Now if you have 50% vulnerability on the enemy, The damage is 1000 * 150% * 150% = 2250 damage. Hope this helps.
Everyone keeps saying that that her shield is based on how much impact Caesar has built however the the Tool Tip Explicitly states base impact not initial impact. I was under the impression that Initial [stat name] meant the stat at the start of combat. Whereas Base [stat name] meant stat before % bonuses. I am missing something? Was I just wrong about what that means? Is it a typo? Am I just the only one that is anal retentive enough to notice the difference and it doesn't really matter? Granted the only time I have seen "initial" anything is in Ben's core passive. Edit: I ran some tests(which were more tedious than you might think) and my suspicions were in fact correct. The only way to increase the size of the shield is through levels, core passive upgrades and things that explicitly increase shield size. This is mostly a semantic point as usually you will be using her in place of a stunner and will want as much impact as possible anyway, but thought it was worth pointing out.
I also thought it was pre-combat impact, or at least that W-engine Impact% substat would affect the shield, and I ran my own tests verify and you're right, it's only base impact and core passive and shield buffs. You only really need to test whether or not shield increases by W-engine impact% substat to come to that conclusion tho.
@@crazykim Yeah when I tested it the most annoying part was actually seeing how big the shield was. I couldn't find a place in the UI to direct give the value of the shield(if there is one please tell me). I just had to sit there and count the damage that was being done, then I would lose count and need to restart the process.
@@Talarue Yeah not showing the value anywhere is annoying. I just let level 70 enemy hit me 3 times with lvl 0 atk% and then a level 50+ s-rank impact% w-engine and both times shield bar remaining was at just barely above half for me, should have been at least a noticeable difference if 18% impact did anything. If it was only 1 hit it would have been harder to tell.
It's kind of funny to me that unless you have her signature, your best bet is a Stun W-Engine. I now have a use for the Restrained that I got in the standard banner 😂
Its just an utter greed from their part. They know full well there is no good or even decent defenisve engine for her and its all by design. Just lost that 75/25 on her engine with 70+ pulls and now have nothing good other than stupid stun garbage to equip her with..
@@edwin8972 Stun's not garbage for her though. Just the impact main stat alone is all she really wants, and is all any A rank defensive w-engine would have given anyway. The only units that really get crazy passive effects on lower tier w-engines are attack and supports.
I saved up so much for Caesar just to lose the 50/50 to S11, then used the rest of my pulls to guarantee her, then immediately lost the 75/25 on her wengine and got Grace's wengine 😭
pretty sure a limited S rank support will powercreep Caesar by so much for the team buffs. Just look at HSR. Everyone thought the 4 stars were insane, then when the first limited support dropped, it made the 4 stars sup a child's play.
@@SPJ-88And we still don't have a quantum dps to powercreep the Qinqillion DMG queen bcs they never get released 😂 But it's true, in the support scenario, they are the best value but always get powercreep no matter how good they look lol.
@@SPJ-88 Dunno what you're talking about honestly, Ruan Mei is just BiS in Break teams, Robin is just BiS in FuA teams, Sparkle is a E1S1 Bronya sidegrade, Tingyun is still BiS in several setups because of the energy. Only the sustain supports got truly powercrept (R.I.P. Luocha immediately being powercrept by Huo Huo and Fu Xuan).
Thing about utility supports is it's very hard to powercreep if they got something unique, sparkle and bronya is pretty deadge atm but as soon as we get a cracked traditional DPS char again they'll skyrocket in value again.
In a team where you're swapping Lucy with her I'd say the one thing Lucy has over her is less on field time, hut outside of that Caesar gives more buffs, more stun, and still allows the use of her Passive unlike Lucy. Overall, I'm super tempted to pull for her
Cesar barely has field time actually, you can activate her Ex right at the start, it doesnt have to hit anything, Ex right after defensive assist only costs 20 energy, and it refreshes her shield.
@@Onikabutofirstsisterlater Yup. Like I said, a EVER SO SLIGHTLY FASTER field time is really all Lucy has, but even then Caesar trumps her everywhere else. Heck, thinking on it, they probably have the same field time and the only thing Lucy has is range and having a support assist. If Caesar had a Support Assist she'd probably be the most broken Support in the game
I'm a little torn, I rolled 60x and didn't get her but I got M6 Piper. I want to roll for Burnice to get some Lucy and Nicole mindscapes too. Am I insane for skipping? I'm thinking Burnice, Lucy, Piper will be a nice anomaly team. I already have mono ice, mono fire, and ZY+QY.
she is a comfy character that adds good dmg and a great shield, but she will be power creeped out of every team in the game when limited supports made for specific elements come out. So long as you are good at dodging no you will not really regret it long run, she will always be an amazing addition to any team but when the element specific supports come out she will just be the one you use if you do not have that support, or just don't want to dodge lol.
given your roster, you are absolutely good to skip Caesar. She provides comfort and flexibility to team composition, but burnice will probably bring new meta to anomaly disorder as she's off-field, you most likely can pair with her many on-field anomaly units in the future
I appreciate the reassurance. Caesar is a comfort and flexibility pick up, but Burnice opens up a new archetype for my teams. I'm working on Piper to get her up to speed, I think it'll be fun.
Hey Guoba, how impactful(heh) do you think her W-Engine will be in practical terms? At the moment shes using Anby w-engine, but buying an S rank from the shop that Qingyi could inherit later, or rolling for sig are both potential options since the 50/50 was won. How much do i lose out on really by sticking to the cheap option here?
nice demo on her tech, wish you turned off infinite energy for some of the parts though, since its relevant to figure out which part of her skill is the energy refund and stuff. you did talked about it, but it would be better to just show how it works and confirm it
I saved since when I started at 1.1, waiting a long life meta char like Caesar, the best choice I made, now trying to get her E2, but it's hard for F2Ps
Caesar is my favorite character in this game, sadly i lost 50/50 for the fourth time in a row but got caesar 20 pulls later and also lost 75/25. Hopefully I get her W engine soon
at 1:30 you say "pre-combat impact", instead of base did you test this? Because "pre-combat" stat terminology already exists in the game, referred to as "initial" stat (example: lucy)
The only way Caesar doesn't have a team bonus is if you're using a team that has like Zhu Yuan, Rina, Grace, or Billy as your other 2 units. So yeah. You kinda have to go out of your way to not have her buff active currently. And probably into the foreseeable future.
Spent everything I had, lost the 50/50 to my second copy of Rina (then pulled Rina's signature from the standard banner, the game is telling me something) but I should have juuuust enough Polychromes to secure Caesar. I'm probably skipping Burnice and the entirety of the 1.3 lineup though.
Hmm i think Ellen > Ceasar > Soukaku is better comp than lyocan for many reason 1. With high impact build ceasar can be stunner, no need on field time for lyocan 2. X2 1000 atk buff from soukaku and ceaser sound juicy to me 3. Soukaku main problem is she lacks of sustain to cast her skills(she need to tank whole boss kit if she want to 3 charge her passive), and ceasar is a perfect piece here provide her both atk and sustain. Additionally, after year of playing u can get better disk for soukaku which have decent cr/crd beside 2k5 atk. So with 1k atk buff from ceasar she will hit hard like a tank. At M4 she got 10% ice res shred too So what do u think guoba
the best ellen team rn is lycaon ceaser ellen, even mrpokke CN analysis agrees the 3 main problems with ceaser soukaku ellen are: -atk buff bloat, in zzz having the same atk buff is detrimental cuz it devalues combat atk making it not so much of a dps increase -Stun, ellen may not need a stun window but is still important for her cuz is still a dmg increase, while ceaser does stun at the same lvl of stunner she falls off when counter isnt active or enemies dont attack frequently so basically a burst stunner. that one video with showcasing the stuns is bad cuz is only 1 window instead of 2 in which you can see she start to fall off -soukaku hogs way to much on field time You cant really TC zzz cuz this is an action game and is very volatile and different lol, same happend with Jane in which disorder should be her highest comp but literal every single comp performs the same, in an if world where ceaser has infinite energy and an enemy that constantly attacks + soukaku not eating an hour of field time with other buffs then ya it could be dont view her as a stunner but as a support and she most likely will be used with lighter too
This guide is great! Quick question though, for the Billy team specifically, could Lucy be a decent replacement for Nicole? I like Nicole, but I've been wanting to try Lucy out on a team for a while now. Awesome video btw :)
You can use Lucy, but it's much better to use Nicole for that team specifically, the huge group up effect on the skill is too good to pass up, especially with Billy dodge attack, chain attack and ultimate, all being area damage, you really want the defense shred on as many enemies as you can get Don't let that stop you though if you need Nicole for something else
I'm pulling in a re-run. But it's quite weird that she has a kit which supports, stuns and shields at the same time. She's the first S Rank Defender, and what's left in design space for future Defender agents?
@@raychan963 It's true, they never really run out of design space in HSR, even though they do similar things... Worst case scenario they can actually implement new mechanics. Still, my impression is that new characters are meant to be noticeable upgrades over Standard Banner S Rank characters.
Caesar is currently teamed with Jane & Seth, here. In this configuration, I see no use to daze and maximise her Impact stat and so, opted for anomaly mastery on disk 6. am I wrong ?
On a whim I spent 10 pulls to try to get Piper. Ended up with Caesar. Not sure how I can fit her into my lineup though... I've got level 60 Rina, 11, and Anby. Then level 50 Koleda, Bear, and Catgirl. To give 11 another fire agent would mean having 2 Stunners or 2 Defense agents, since Caesar is sort of both. Though I built Koleda with a focus on Energy Regen and just using EX Special. I don't really know what I am doing... Maybe I'll just make a Caesar, Ben, Seth team and call it a day.
Lost 2 50/50's on Lycaon's W-Engine, best believe she's gonna be rockin on one of those Edit: tried pulling for her W-Engine also lost to Lycaon W-Engine for the third time
The passive still works even without a passive-less w engine right? as in I will still receive the 1k atk buff and the rest of the bonuses without having a Defend class w Engine?
9:50 Since the Original Transmorpher gives 16% F-Impact, and its passive can be triggered on a defensive assist (don't need to take dmg unlike what many ppl think), wouldn’t it at least rank higher than the A rank Wengines here for daze? Im just curious on the assumptions for it here since ppl might consider leveling up a stun Wengine for her when you could literally get the same amount of Impact from an R5 lv1 Original Transmorpher without wasting resources (only if you disregard her dmg lol)
@@velvet5750 pretty sure her only base impact scaling buff is her shield, and you kinda still dont need a stronger shield for endgame yet lol (plus the shield calcs are on the left table there)
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Not this time :( saving for Section 6
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it seems like Miyabi is still not up, so I'm very tempted to pull for the King herself.
I still can't believe it was Lighter instead, but a lot of people seem very happy with him, so I'm down to wait some more in the meantime
Burnice gang rise up
Literally just got her🎉🎉
Love how the team section is basically do whatever, she works in every team
holy shit someone remembered billy
ive seen many a team comp guide and no one ever puts billy on a team
Billy is awesome :)
@@guobauncertifiedNEKO WHERE?
@@JMSX_ Just put neko with anby and nicole
@@Starrofheart Nicole is glued to Zhu Yuan and even discounting that does not effectively work with Neko's massive laundry list of damage requirements, Anby is legit trash whose only used because she's the only A rank in her class. And neither of them can effectively proc Assault for Neko which she desperately wants because by the time she procs it herself her damage window has already passed.
@@Starrofheart Caesar is a big upgrade over Anby there. You can use Nicole or Lucy in the last slot
SHOWMAKER KSANTE REFERENCE? I KNEW MR GUOBA WAS THE GOAT
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This is Caesar, a champion with 1000 ATK, 25% DMG, and High Daze, has Parries, a Shield, and goes over walls.
@@guobauncertified hi there guoba, do you have a favorite team heading into worlds
You always upload helpful guide at the right time
Passing by just to appreciate the overall quality and conciseness of your guides. I always add your guides to my playlist for future reference!
this is Caesar👑 she is a defense 🛡 type unit with 1000 atk🗡 buff, she has 40 energy🔋cost skill, and you can parry ⚔ attacks to inflict massive daze💫, get huge shield 🛡, apply vulnerability⬇ to enemy. she ults💥 and does extra⬆ daze💫 to shielded🛡 enemy, and gains extra impact⬆💫 when using defensive assist. so her hold basic- AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
FORM IS TEMPORARY, CALYDON IS FOREVAAAA
Spent almost all my polychromes, lost the 50/50 to S11 (who i use so not the worst) but had enough left for 2 pulls and got her. I expect to get hit by a car today.
lol, I also lost my 50/50 to S11, who I already had and was using, then got ceasar withing the next 20 pulls. I, however, do not expect to get hit by a car today.
Yooooo that's actually crazy that happened to someone else exactly. Now I got both but I had to dig deep and use shop stuff to get my copy of Caesar
I lost my M1 to Soldier 11 today, felt real pain, but now I’m motivated to go for M2 instead of stopping at M1, looking like I’m going to have to break the wallet out
She looks neat. Cool they're already dipping into an alternate use for Assist Points. My Qingyi is pretty invested though so I'll see how much I enjoy the parry gameplay from trials etc. before pulling. Nice guide as always -- didn't think of using a Passive-less Stun W-Engine!
A showmaker LoL reference from my fav hoyoverse guide content creator? What a wonderful day this is.
Glad people are talking about offspec wengines more. We’re early enough that stats are king right now.
I don't plan on getting her, but will always listen to Guoba's sweet musings
I wasn't going to get her because all the free to play shield weapons don't really fit her and then you come and say such sacrilegious thing... to use a d-different role weapon?! Th-that's crazy enough to work actually! lol
Yup same, didn't even occur to me til a few days ago and I just got Koleda's signature on the standard banner 😳
Her kit is already overloaded as it is its OK to use a stun WEngine on her
Or ya know, buy the BP and get her 2nd BIS
W-hy are y-y-you typing like this?!
@@ItsekulGamingYou should know exactly why. It adds emotion to the sentence. Notice how they're using it after making a few normal sentences?
@@justjuniorjaw damn bro that's deep
Btw, for W-Engines, the Demara Mark II (Anby sig W-Engine), is also a very solid choice, and in terms of raw stats just better than the Precious Fossilized Core.
It has the same Impact% substat (15%), and flat out 30 more base ATK over it (624 ATK). Plus it is completely F2P since all players should have gotten one for free since the start of the game.
Didn't expect to get her today but glad to see that your guide is already up!
Everyone lists Caesar with Seth and Jane as one of her best if not the best team, but Caesar does have innate negative synergy with physical anomaly units, because on her listed standard build she contributes to assault build up and with low anomaly proficiency it will lower the teams assault damage.
The positives of her kit might outweigh this and if she does run high AP and perhaps Seth's weapon it can be counteracted completely, but I don't see many content creators talking about this in their guides.
You're the first one I've seen mention it.
At least with her Sig the positives wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiildly outweigh this. Running her in my Piper team with Lucy instead of whatever flex char I used on situational basis before cut down any clear times by like a third and her passive is only at 900 atk buff for me atm. 1000+ is like an extra 30+% ATK that does get added to anomaly build up along with damage received from her debuff, not to mention since she functions as a stunner and stun multiplier also contributes to anomaly that's even more damage, since you usually wouldn't use a stunner in an anomaly team.
lmao caught off guard with the showmaker reference, worlds start tonight LESSGOOO
thanks for working overtime with Lingsha and Caesar!
Guobelle, get em! Caesar has the honor of convincing me to get my first limited wengine. Sure her other options may not be excellent, but I really only got it because I like her so much.
She's amazing, and as you suggested she runs so well with S11 and Lucy and is fabulous with Jane/Seth. So worth, I got her W-engine too because damn that thing is cracked.
Thanks for the guide its really helpfull for someone who is lazy to read lmao, subscribed and bookmarked for future guide.
I already prepared mats for her and my god she makes the game much easier, zhongli all over again hahaha, also like that one of her alt attacks group up enemies like a mini nicole move, overall I can see her being REALLY good on any team, a good 3rd character since she offers so much, I hope im lucky with the 50/50 with burnice otherwise I might end up having to spend a little just to get her.
She's a universal support that can fit into any team with insane numbers. Basically the Kazuha or Robin of ZZZ, basically an utterly broken unit. She will either never be powercrept or Hoyo will just say fuck it and break the game balance by powercreeping her.
I'm sure actual limited supports will offer way bigger offensive buffs than her, and limited stunners will have their niches where they shine more. I think she's going to remain the comfy braindead option that fits into any team, more similar to Zhongli in Genshin
after playing ambush node ceasar shield and anti interrupt is godsend with those annoying shadows
As someone else said, she is more zzz's zhongli. But I think she will be even more valuable long term then he has been.
I doubt we will get healers in zzz. And while right now it isn't to big a deal, eventually it will be a problem. Content will get harder and harder. Eventually just you normal health bar isn't going to be enough to clear content. So I think shielders will only go up in value as time goes on.
She's no Robin, that's for sure.
@@betulla96The problem is stunners and supports need to do something insane in order to outshine her. She gives damage bonus, attack buff, interruption resistance, grouping, a shield, and fast stuns all at the same time. She simply does way too many things at once. This isn’t a jack of all trades master of none situation she’s just straight up better a lot of the time. They made a mistake with Caesar and they will soon realize it because stuns and supports need be insane in order to compete and that’s an easy road to power creep.
I remember when I said the same thing about Seth using an Anomaly or Attack W-engine since its more resource efficient and calcs are similar to his sig if players didn't wanna commit and I got torn up lmao. But now Guoba suggests it and he's a messiah
I love that she's basically a stunner too
GLORY TO CAESAR!!!!!
INCREDIBILIS !
Ben mains have been training for this day.
Now they can have a Ben for each side of a 2 team mode, one with very lovely fur, and the other is Ben, whose fur is also very lovely
Also, I mostly want her for Corin, thrle grouping is huge. I don't see it in your teams, but I imagine it works. Other team for me is Lucy S11 (Ben) anyway, if things don't work out the way I expect.
Got her M1 on accident and i can’t wait to build her. The billy team looks quite interesting! Can’t wait to see what teams can be cooked with Lighter too
As numbers crazy as Cesar is Burnice is so much more fun to play for me. And disorder teams are more fun too.
Got Caesar just now, since I just got the time to farm and oh boy am I excited to put her and Billy together.
I pulled. For the first time in 6 years of Hoyo games I got a double-up and have her at M1 🙂
GRATZ :D
ooh congrats! i also got my first ever double 5 star since playing mihoyo games
unfortunately it wasn't double caeser but it did leave me with guarantee for my next 5 tsar
I finally have an insane use for the Lycaon wengine I got at the start of the game :D
what an incredible scenario
She's been carrying teams on her back since release. My teams have never been happier.
Successfully obtained Caesar. Now to just wait and see if Miyabi will have decent synergy with her to make her UNSTOPPABLE
Great video!
I love you and your videos!!!❤
I want her M1 and M2 so bad but I have to save up for Burnice. Still, base Caesar is such a powerful agent. I'm happy to have her.
I am guaranteed for my next S rank, but I will probably save it for Burnice, since I don't want to be too meta focused in this gacha game. I might shoot myself in the foot with this, but I already have every Stun agent in the game, so I'll be making my older units redundant if I recklessly get Caesar now. She's extremely fun to play, though, so I'm definitely gonna regret it a little!
the game is still new, reruns will be pretty close. Consider pulling only if she survives the meta trend by then
Originally wanted to skip Ceasar for Burnice but looks like I can get 160+ pulls for Burnice so I decided to pull for Ceasar, might as well get her in 50/50 and then if not Burnice later. Got really lucky and got Ceasar in 20 pulls, so I figured I might as well then get her W engine which I got in 30. Super lucky, super grateful. I'm pretty confident I'll get Burnice too.
I use her as a support for my M6 DD Seth because it's hilarious and strong combo, they both doing tons of daze and disorder with anomaly drive Caesar, and you can't die even on 11 difficulty garden with those two
M1 Rina in 3rd slot makes it even more broken lmao
I think Seth's Engine on Caesar is very underrated the Anomoly build up with very nice ER not a lot of people talk about it
11:55 I'd be more interested in replacing Lycaon instead of Soukaku here, less time spent stunned but more out of stun dmg. From the little calcs i've seen, it should be better than replacing Soukaku but idk if said calcs will change with practical testing.
Not that it'd necessarily be better than Soukaku+Lycaon combo, moreso if you're gonna replace one or don't have Lycaon, you'd prob replace the Lycaon role since they're both fulfilling the stunning/buffer role
Disclaimer: my Caesar is already built with core E using 4p proto/2p jazz 45/112 cr/cd 2k atk 163 impact using fossil stunner wengine during this
Based on my personal experience vs the new weekly boss (ran it around 4 times for core f) you can just stick with Caesar doing perfect block > ex2 until you can spam lyca ex into stun then unload with ellen then just repeat. Caesar built well actually can make up some of the off stun damage ellen can do by having faster stuns. Caesar’s daze is just really insane in general tbh
@@Chorongow Her daze being good is why it feels kinda weird overlapping both her and Lycaon on the same team IMO. I'd rather just use Soukaku to double down on the buffs in exchange for the faster stuns since Ellen isn’t tied to in-stun dmg like Zhu Yuan is. Maybe I'm not seeing something tho idk
Lycaon being able to increase the stun multiplier and soukaku requiring quite a bit of field time for what would be an ice res and more saturated atk buff makes it seem like lycaon could stun until ceasar parries and then she frontloads her stun with her energy.
@@silverflamingegg but you just get more overall dmg outta replacing lycaon 😭soukaku's field time isnt necessarily an issue
@Bulbz-pk4fv I'm sure someone out there with more time than me will calc it, but either will be good anyways just because ceasar is busted
S-rank Caesar when S-rank Josefu Joestar walks in.
I may be benching my Ben now that I have her. Much as I love him, she does what he does and more while being less awkward to play since she doesn't have slow attacks with long animations. All Ben really has over her is the crit he can provide, but the only character I have that can use it is Anton.
I just pulled her with my first 10 roll from the update and came straight to guoba
Caesar literally carry my party of lvl50s on my lvl50 11/11 difficulty nest hollow she's amazing if used properly
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Lmao i was building pitty and thought i lost since i have lost every single 50/50 in this game. Well i got her and im not complaining lol
Design wise, I like Caesar more, but Burnice is anomaly fire and her playstyle sold me.... But I ended pulling for Caesar, the buffs she provides are insane, I can't pair her with Ellen right now since I don't have Lycaon... But it's a matter of time, and with Jane and Seth, the buffs are so juicy, I managed to get Jane to 5000 Atk and 500+ AP at times... I was using Lucy up until now and It was fun, it's fun to trigger Lucy's assist and the mobility you get with it is really good, you launch the thirens 20m away and it almost feels like a teleport... But her buff is quite short and doesn't reach this level, plus, any shielding you give Jane is a bless, even if you already have Seth with her. I lost my 50/50 and got another Koleda... And ended using like 90 pulls I have saved... I hope I get enough to pull for Burnice 🙏
Hey Gouba (or anyone in the know), could you explain what the difference is between an additive damage taken debuff and a vulnerability debuff (mentioned at 7:03 or so)? Like how does it work out mathematically, or practically? What situation would make one debuff more valuable than the other?
The damage formula has many different elements that are all multiplied together. An additive multiplier adds to your character’s stats, while a vulnerability is a debuff oh the enemy, which means that it is multiplied instead of added. To illustrate:
Say you have 1000 damage at baseline with 50% damage bonus.
The baseline damage would be 1000 * 150% = 1500 damage.
Now let’s say you have a 50% damage bonus.
The damage is now 1000 * (150+50)% = 2000 damage.
Now if you have 50% vulnerability on the enemy,
The damage is 1000 * 150% * 150% = 2250 damage.
Hope this helps.
Everyone keeps saying that that her shield is based on how much impact Caesar has built however the the Tool Tip Explicitly states base impact not initial impact. I was under the impression that Initial [stat name] meant the stat at the start of combat. Whereas Base [stat name] meant stat before % bonuses. I am missing something? Was I just wrong about what that means? Is it a typo? Am I just the only one that is anal retentive enough to notice the difference and it doesn't really matter? Granted the only time I have seen "initial" anything is in Ben's core passive.
Edit:
I ran some tests(which were more tedious than you might think) and my suspicions were in fact correct. The only way to increase the size of the shield is through levels, core passive upgrades and things that explicitly increase shield size. This is mostly a semantic point as usually you will be using her in place of a stunner and will want as much impact as possible anyway, but thought it was worth pointing out.
I also thought it was pre-combat impact, or at least that W-engine Impact% substat would affect the shield, and I ran my own tests verify and you're right, it's only base impact and core passive and shield buffs. You only really need to test whether or not shield increases by W-engine impact% substat to come to that conclusion tho.
@@crazykim Yeah when I tested it the most annoying part was actually seeing how big the shield was. I couldn't find a place in the UI to direct give the value of the shield(if there is one please tell me). I just had to sit there and count the damage that was being done, then I would lose count and need to restart the process.
@@Talarue Yeah not showing the value anywhere is annoying. I just let level 70 enemy hit me 3 times with lvl 0 atk% and then a level 50+ s-rank impact% w-engine and both times shield bar remaining was at just barely above half for me, should have been at least a noticeable difference if 18% impact did anything. If it was only 1 hit it would have been harder to tell.
Everyone forgets Anby's signature as an option. It has slightly better stats than fossil
It's kind of funny to me that unless you have her signature, your best bet is a Stun W-Engine. I now have a use for the Restrained that I got in the standard banner 😂
Its just an utter greed from their part. They know full well there is no good or even decent defenisve engine for her and its all by design. Just lost that 75/25 on her engine with 70+ pulls and now have nothing good other than stupid stun garbage to equip her with..
@@edwin8972 Stun's not garbage for her though. Just the impact main stat alone is all she really wants, and is all any A rank defensive w-engine would have given anyway. The only units that really get crazy passive effects on lower tier w-engines are attack and supports.
She will skyrocket Billy teams.
is the new bangboo good?
yeppers
Hmm yes
Adept Lance
I already pulled because she's pretty, but this just makes me love her more
I saved up so much for Caesar just to lose the 50/50 to S11, then used the rest of my pulls to guarantee her, then immediately lost the 75/25 on her wengine and got Grace's wengine 😭
Just did the most insane Caesar pulls. 20 pulls, 20 pulls for Rina’s wengine, then 30 pulls for Caesar’s wengine (I had no pity)
M2S1 Caesar in the bag. I don't expect even dedicated supports to powercreep that level of power at M0 anytime soon.
pretty sure a limited S rank support will powercreep Caesar by so much for the team buffs. Just look at HSR. Everyone thought the 4 stars were insane, then when the first limited support dropped, it made the 4 stars sup a child's play.
@@SPJ-88And we still don't have a quantum dps to powercreep the Qinqillion DMG queen bcs they never get released 😂
But it's true, in the support scenario, they are the best value but always get powercreep no matter how good they look lol.
@@SPJ-88 Dunno what you're talking about honestly, Ruan Mei is just BiS in Break teams, Robin is just BiS in FuA teams, Sparkle is a E1S1 Bronya sidegrade, Tingyun is still BiS in several setups because of the energy. Only the sustain supports got truly powercrept (R.I.P. Luocha immediately being powercrept by Huo Huo and Fu Xuan).
Thing about utility supports is it's very hard to powercreep if they got something unique, sparkle and bronya is pretty deadge atm but as soon as we get a cracked traditional DPS char again they'll skyrocket in value again.
@@crazykim Well, all ppl with E2 Acheron know how op sparkle and Bronya is. S tier for her.
In a team where you're swapping Lucy with her I'd say the one thing Lucy has over her is less on field time, hut outside of that Caesar gives more buffs, more stun, and still allows the use of her Passive unlike Lucy.
Overall, I'm super tempted to pull for her
Cesar barely has field time actually, you can activate her Ex right at the start, it doesnt have to hit anything, Ex right after defensive assist only costs 20 energy, and it refreshes her shield.
@@Onikabutofirstsisterlater Yup. Like I said, a EVER SO SLIGHTLY FASTER field time is really all Lucy has, but even then Caesar trumps her everywhere else. Heck, thinking on it, they probably have the same field time and the only thing Lucy has is range and having a support assist. If Caesar had a Support Assist she'd probably be the most broken Support in the game
I'm a little torn, I rolled 60x and didn't get her but I got M6 Piper. I want to roll for Burnice to get some Lucy and Nicole mindscapes too.
Am I insane for skipping? I'm thinking Burnice, Lucy, Piper will be a nice anomaly team. I already have mono ice, mono fire, and ZY+QY.
she is a comfy character that adds good dmg and a great shield, but she will be power creeped out of every team in the game when limited supports made for specific elements come out. So long as you are good at dodging no you will not really regret it long run, she will always be an amazing addition to any team but when the element specific supports come out she will just be the one you use if you do not have that support, or just don't want to dodge lol.
given your roster, you are absolutely good to skip Caesar. She provides comfort and flexibility to team composition, but burnice will probably bring new meta to anomaly disorder as she's off-field, you most likely can pair with her many on-field anomaly units in the future
I appreciate the reassurance. Caesar is a comfort and flexibility pick up, but Burnice opens up a new archetype for my teams. I'm working on Piper to get her up to speed, I think it'll be fun.
Got her in 40 Pulls! I really wanted Burnice and i was contemplating if i should pull. I have Nekomata for physical and Ellen + Lycaon for Ice team.
I thought I was too late to start the game. But if this is the first limited support in the game, I guess I started playing ZZZ just fine 😂
Shes a defense unit, but p much a support :)
@@guobauncertified I have all the teammates comps you said in the video, so this video basically seals my decision to pull. Thanks Guoba!
You're going to have a few options for limited rank DPS down the line soon.
I've decided to perform an alternative build of making a DPS Caesar. I'm already in the process of leveling Nekomata's W-Engine on her.
but you only get the main stat D:
@@guobauncertified someone has to do it... For SCIENCE! I'll see you in a month
Hey Guoba, how impactful(heh) do you think her W-Engine will be in practical terms? At the moment shes using Anby w-engine, but buying an S rank from the shop that Qingyi could inherit later, or rolling for sig are both potential options since the 50/50 was won. How much do i lose out on really by sticking to the cheap option here?
nice demo on her tech, wish you turned off infinite energy for some of the parts though, since its relevant to figure out which part of her skill is the energy refund and stuff. you did talked about it, but it would be better to just show how it works and confirm it
Yeah good point, my bad
Iv been using a Jane Doe, Lucy, Caesar team which is working scarily well
I saved since when I started at 1.1, waiting a long life meta char like Caesar, the best choice I made, now trying to get her E2, but it's hard for F2Ps
I'm cool with caesar using disco drive while lucy the ones using swing jazz.
Caesar is my favorite character in this game, sadly i lost 50/50 for the fourth time in a row but got caesar 20 pulls later and also lost 75/25. Hopefully I get her W engine soon
at 1:30
you say "pre-combat impact", instead of base
did you test this? Because "pre-combat" stat terminology already exists in the game, referred to as "initial" stat (example: lucy)
The only way Caesar doesn't have a team bonus is if you're using a team that has like Zhu Yuan, Rina, Grace, or Billy as your other 2 units. So yeah. You kinda have to go out of your way to not have her buff active currently. And probably into the foreseeable future.
It’s criminal that the New Eridu certification board hasn’t certified this channel yet.
The IPC was much more expedient for the other channel.
which banboo should we use with caesar?
Why not Cryboo?
CAESAR KING IS A PROUD HOLLOW RAIDER IN THE SUPPORT ROLE WHO TRANSFORMS FROM DEFENSIVE BACKBONE TO LETHAL STUNNER
King 🍞
Spent everything I had, lost the 50/50 to my second copy of Rina (then pulled Rina's signature from the standard banner, the game is telling me something) but I should have juuuust enough Polychromes to secure Caesar.
I'm probably skipping Burnice and the entirety of the 1.3 lineup though.
2/2/2 Chaos Punk / Shockstar Disco / Swing Jazz seems like a good build for her.
The 4 pieces are big though
king 🗿
Hmm i think Ellen > Ceasar > Soukaku is better comp than lyocan for many reason
1. With high impact build ceasar can be stunner, no need on field time for lyocan
2. X2 1000 atk buff from soukaku and ceaser sound juicy to me
3. Soukaku main problem is she lacks of sustain to cast her skills(she need to tank whole boss kit if she want to 3 charge her passive), and ceasar is a perfect piece here provide her both atk and sustain. Additionally, after year of playing u can get better disk for soukaku which have decent cr/crd beside 2k5 atk. So with 1k atk buff from ceasar she will hit hard like a tank. At M4 she got 10% ice res shred too
So what do u think guoba
the best ellen team rn is lycaon ceaser ellen, even mrpokke CN analysis agrees
the 3 main problems with ceaser soukaku ellen are:
-atk buff bloat, in zzz having the same atk buff is detrimental cuz it devalues combat atk making it not so much of a dps increase
-Stun, ellen may not need a stun window but is still important for her cuz is still a dmg increase, while ceaser does stun at the same lvl of stunner she falls off when counter isnt active or enemies dont attack frequently so basically a burst stunner. that one video with showcasing the stuns is bad cuz is only 1 window instead of 2 in which you can see she start to fall off
-soukaku hogs way to much on field time
You cant really TC zzz cuz this is an action game and is very volatile and different lol, same happend with Jane in which disorder should be her highest comp but literal every single comp performs the same, in an if world where ceaser has infinite energy and an enemy that constantly attacks + soukaku not eating an hour of field time with other buffs then ya it could be
dont view her as a stunner but as a support and she most likely will be used with lighter too
This guide is great! Quick question though, for the Billy team specifically, could Lucy be a decent replacement for Nicole? I like Nicole, but I've been wanting to try Lucy out on a team for a while now. Awesome video btw :)
You can use Lucy, but it's much better to use Nicole for that team specifically, the huge group up effect on the skill is too good to pass up, especially with Billy dodge attack, chain attack and ultimate, all being area damage, you really want the defense shred on as many enemies as you can get
Don't let that stop you though if you need Nicole for something else
I'm pulling in a re-run. But it's quite weird that she has a kit which supports, stuns and shields at the same time.
She's the first S Rank Defender, and what's left in design space for future Defender agents?
Ignore element is always open, certain gacha has it zzz will eventually get it
@@raychan963 It's true, they never really run out of design space in HSR, even though they do similar things... Worst case scenario they can actually implement new mechanics.
Still, my impression is that new characters are meant to be noticeable upgrades over Standard Banner S Rank characters.
Caesar is currently teamed with Jane & Seth, here. In this configuration, I see no use to daze and maximise her Impact stat and so, opted for anomaly mastery on disk 6. am I wrong ?
Damn, I was using Original transmorpher on my Caesar, thankfully it's only at lvl 30 for now so I can switch it out for a stun wengine
On a whim I spent 10 pulls to try to get Piper. Ended up with Caesar.
Not sure how I can fit her into my lineup though... I've got level 60 Rina, 11, and Anby. Then level 50 Koleda, Bear, and Catgirl.
To give 11 another fire agent would mean having 2 Stunners or 2 Defense agents, since Caesar is sort of both. Though I built Koleda with a focus on Energy Regen and just using EX Special.
I don't really know what I am doing... Maybe I'll just make a Caesar, Ben, Seth team and call it a day.
Lost my 50/50 n as a purely free to play debating if its worth since Burnice is right there. Pain peko
It's funny bc today I thought about giving someone an off engine for fun and turns out Caesar benefits a lot from it :)
3 spin I got her even winning the 50/50 now it's time for a Jane doe ceasar build
OH MY GOD IT'S GUOBELLE!
I don't have any pulls tho, so I'll have to pass on the Sons of Calydon
I lost the 50/50 and the 75/25 but still managed to get her and her w-engine in 129 pulls thanks to very lucky early pulls
so it's you who I stole the luck from in this banner
Wait, you you can use stun wengine on defense unit? Was that from 1.2 update?
since release
Lost 2 50/50's on Lycaon's W-Engine, best believe she's gonna be rockin on one of those
Edit: tried pulling for her W-Engine also lost to Lycaon W-Engine for the third time
isn't she defence not stun?
@@tilting_cat3344 yeah, but she builds daze as fast as a stun agent, so the impact main stat from the W-Engine helps a lot
@@tilting_cat3344she is but the impact stats on stunner w engine can be use by other role
original transmorpher (A Tank w Engine) passive doesnt work on caeser shield??
What role would Caesar have in a team with Lucy and a Piper? And what wengine would I give Caesar?
The passive still works even without a passive-less w engine right? as in I will still receive the 1k atk buff and the rest of the bonuses without having a Defend class w Engine?
I was blessed with the first 10 pull 🙏
9:50 Since the Original Transmorpher gives 16% F-Impact, and its passive can be triggered on a defensive assist (don't need to take dmg unlike what many ppl think), wouldn’t it at least rank higher than the A rank Wengines here for daze?
Im just curious on the assumptions for it here since ppl might consider leveling up a stun Wengine for her when you could literally get the same amount of Impact from an R5 lv1 Original Transmorpher without wasting resources (only if you disregard her dmg lol)
supposedly her buffs ignore buff based impact as apposed to raw impact
@@velvet5750 pretty sure her only base impact scaling buff is her shield, and you kinda still dont need a stronger shield for endgame yet lol (plus the shield calcs are on the left table there)