35MM, 4K & SUPER 8 IN ONE SHOW: THE BRITISH FILM COLLECTORS CONVENTION 2023
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- 35mm and 4K interspersed between 35mm reel changes at the British Film Collectors Convention complemented each other surprisingly well. Both looked exceptional on the convention's big 'Scope screen upon which we filled about 20 feet wide rather than the full 24 feet owing to the limitations of the stage area of the Chorleywood War Memorial Hall. 'Scope Super 8 was taken to the full 24 feet however but light ingress into the hall caused us some problems following some modifications since our visit to check its suitability last summer. If we use the hall again we'll have to deal with these.
This video serves as a summary of what took place at the 2023 BFCC and will hopefully entice a few new faces to come along if we do the same again in 2024 and beyond. A lot of time, preparation and work goes into putting on a day like this and it is only worthwhile if there is enough support. This one was a great team effort though and was crowd funded by 13 fellow movie enthusiasts who made the whole thing possible. The support of just about every remaining film dealer in the UK was another important factor.
Stuart Hiliker's BFCC video as mentioned in this video (we showed him filming it) can be seen here: • The BFCC 2023
The Elvis book shown in this video can be purchased on www.8mmelvis.com/
Christopher John Ball came along to the BFCC and shot this video which is well worth a watch. Showed so much of what I missed myself: • 66th British Film Coll...
The web site for the British Film Collectors Convention is www.bfcc.biz
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This is so cool John, thanks for giving us a peak into the BFCC!
A stressful day but if we do another next year, I'll be ready for it so should be better as we can focus on dealing with light ingress issues that spoiled the shows quite a bit. John.
Thanks John.
How did I ever guess that you'd get in first?!?
Wow what a show.....this gripped me as much as any film i have seen. Such a wealth of info. Thankyou so much. Excelsior
Good to know you enjoyed it delboy. Quite a few similar comments have been a nice surprise because I expected the appeal of this video to be more limited than usual.
John.
The screen looks very opaque. This is the main reason why I think the Kuro plasma displays by Pioneer are the best ever made, because they use real glass and an authentic light source. To my mind, a transluscent medium is essential.
I don't know anything about plasma screens Autisticus. I suspect it would be difficult transporting one of those and erecting it for a day, let alone affording one. This is the biggest screen available to a film collectors convention and it's very special. We've had it well over 20 years now so it's served us well but I hope it will continue to serve us for many years to come. John.
This Video Was Just Awesome, Should Have Been an Hour Long
Good to hear from you Sky. The response to this one and the number of views so far is totally unexpected. I thought it would be of minimal appeal but perhaps because it's the only event like it in the world that it's piques peoples interest.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yeah it was amazing to watch and see people with Same passion come together, OWuld like to have seen more of what Eaxch Vendor was selling like Rare Movies on Super 8 etc, but anyway was a great Video
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@@SkyShazad I only managed to get a few shots quickly here and there Sky as I was rather busy. But Jonathan Ball shot quite a bit and I've linked to his video in the description. I enjoyed seeing his video very much because it filled in much of what I missed even though I was there. John.
Wow John what a great video next time I will have to try and catch up with you! Very interesting venue absolutely love it ❤
This video does seem to be going down surprisingly well. I didn't think there would be much interest. John.
Sir I just watched your awesome video and I was so excited when I saw my trailer up on the screen!!! Thank you so much for playing it at this awesome event!!! This is so awesome!!
I was hoping you'd see it Emil. It looked fabulous up there at about 16 feet wide or so. In fact, it looks better than it does on a small screen or even a telly. What a great surprise it is and people were amazed that you shot it on a Canon 514. A brilliant achievement. I didn't include a lot of it in this video as I was projecting and once running I then had to get a camera on it and missed most of it. But I also didn't want to include all that I got because you never know when RUclips may deem a copyright has been infringed even though we'd discussed including it some months ago.
If you have any news about how well your film is doing at any time please let me know and I'll get the word out there to fellow Super 8 film enthusiasts. I've seen a few other posts in Facebook mentioning 'Dead Community Guild' and stating that it's shot on Super 8.
John.
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This is so Awesome John!! Thank you again for playing it!!!!!!! I will definitely let you know any updates on the film!!
Well done John, I’m sure the niggles can be sorted.
Most of them can be sorted Ernie but some of it depends on the parish council who operate the hall. Taking the blackouts down was something I didn't anticipate and they will not allow anything to be pinned or stuck anywhere so they'll have to relent on that stipulation otherwise we're a dead duck. John.
Sorry to have missed the BFCC only just arrived back in the UK. And ready for the BFI Imax when and if there's a 70mm showing. I see there's some "Batman" films which would you recommend in Imax?
All the best from Graham.
Morning Graham. Would have been great to see you at the BFCC but I clearly picked a date that was a week too early. THE DARK KNIGHT RISES is the one to see in genuine IMAX. Check the Ronson Theatre at the Science Museum too just in case they're still showing their genuine IMAX prints. The second Dark Knight film had six IMAX sequences but the third one is chock-full of them. I haven't seen it in 15/70 myself but if money were no object, I'd be up there for it. I think the BFI have added a second Batman all-nighter. Just bear in mind that the first film is a blow-up from 35mm if you fancy being red-eyed all the next day.
John.
Thanks John I'll try for the Dark knight rises. I was thinking that's the one.
I'm hoping they will announce more showings of the other Nolan films again before Oppenheimer begins.
@@hildamontes6146 I'm trying to encourage them to do a genuine IMAX festival weekend once a year Graham so that people can fly in from all over the world for a weekend in the centre of London enjoying the best cinema presentation format known to man. I think it would be a sell out but what do I know?
I consider THE DARK KNIGHT RISES to be the best of the Nolan Batman films. It's certainly the most impressive to look at thanks in no small way to all the 15/70 used to make it so I think you'll have a great time. John.
Well done John.....a successful Day 👌
Could have been better Roy but this venue was almost completely unknown. This things I did know had changed so much to think about if we do another BFCC there. John.
Thanks for the video, John. It was almost as enjoyable as the day itself, I went home with the Sankyo 700 shown on the dealers table there.
Thank you Brian. I hope that projector's a good 'un. It's amazing how many of them have survived so well for so long.
I think most of us enjoyed the day but I am aware of the issues. I was aware of most of them beforehand but certainly not expecting the light issues on that scale owing to the changes and the broken screen door.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Running fine, it even had the badge on a cord on it and looks perfect. It is a little far, but no problem there as I adjusted my other Sankyo to 162/3 and 25 fps for ealy telecine use, so I know how to do it.
Oh man, I hope that's not where Blu-ray and UHD collectors are going to end up - long out-of-print resales of used stuff, and a few dozen aging enthusiasts.
Kind of funny seeing one of the shots of the audience, mostly consisting of balding, grey heads. Is this where I'm headed 😂
We'll see you there next year Lenny! Film collecting is a bit like classic cars because it's mainly older people who can afford it but there are youngsters dotted around. Film does seem to be attracting more youngster now as it's important to learn everything you can about film to understand video. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Reading now my own comment it seems coarse, I meant no offense. I'm just disappointed humanity is moving to digital only, forsaking real film, especially 70mm, and afraid for my hobby.
@@LennyNero2019 It wasn't coarse Lenny so please don't worry about that. The hobby is getting older but that's what happens with most of these thing. Group 9.5 had the hall last year but they've thrown the towel in now as there aren't enough of them left to justify the cost of hiring a a hall any longer. One of the reasons for starting this channel was to see if I could garner enough of an audience to resurrect the BFCC on a smaller scale. Without this channel Saturday's BFCC would not have been the success that it was so perhaps I've just attracted a few newcomers into 'reel' film collecting.
John.
I wish I had made it down for this event as it looked to be an excellent day. If you are ever in North Shropshire you must visit my home cinema with 2 70mm projector and a D-150 screen.
Whoa, a D-150 screen. Magic! I'd like one of those and the lens and films to go with it. Saturday was fun and I think most of us had a good time getting back together but you can't please all of the people all of the time. If we do another next year then we'll be better prepared and hopefully find room for dealers mainly outside of the main hall so that will be better for the film shows. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I have the D-150 lenses and some 70mm film and the 6 channel magnetic sound system.
@@stephenrowley880 Cor, you should have appeared in Keith Wilton's 'Armchair Odeons' series of DVD's Stephen. But that was a long time ago now. If I'm ever up your way it will be a good excuse for another home cinema video, that's for sure. People would be amazed by D-150. I think D-150 would help to resurrect cinema today, but what do I know?
John.
does anyone know if there is something like this in the united states?? the lack of film here is really sad (in most parts of the country anyway)
Cinesea takes place twice a year and although it's not quite like the BFCC, it was inspired by the BFCC. If you look up the 8mm Forum you should find details on there as moderater Doug Meltzer is involved with it I think. He came over to the BFCC a few times. Great bloke and an even bigger Super 8 collection that I have. John.
@@moviecollector5920 thank you john!
Another great video John :) Very nice event
Despite the problems it was hugely enjoyable. Just nice to see so many old friends again. John.
Congratulations John, glad you got this up and running again. Was that your video projector? It seemed to have no trouble filling that big screen.
Thank you Stu. It is my video projector, the one I've had for over five years. We were limited on the height of the screen there by about 18 inches so I wasn't able to try to fill the whole width of the screen. The projector manual states about a 22 feet maximium so I expect it won't focus past that width but I didn't find out. I must remember to push it if we do this again. The quality from that Optoma was oustanding. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Judging from the video the quality was remarkable, especially from a consumer product. Must make you wish you could have access to such a large screen on a more regular basis.
@@jedlomax100 There's nothing like a big screen Stu. I used to say that one day I'd live to have a place with a barn just so we could have that 24 foot wide screen in it. We haven't quite achieved that but the screen is now safe here with me so all being well, we'll get another chance to play with it next year. Having now done a BFCC again, I'll be better prepared if we do another next year, particularly if we do try the Chorleywood hall again. John.
Crimson Tide is a very entertaining movie but "Das Boot" is the best submarine movie every made in my opinion.
I may have only ever seen Das Boot as a television series Michael so maybe when I finally watch it as a movie, I'll agree with you. Many tell me the consider The Hunt For Red October to be the best submarine film so I thought having Crimson Tide screening in 35mm was a good excuse to stir up that debate again. John.
@@sanctanox I will watch it again soon Michael as you've given it a good sell. Last night we ran the first half of 'Run Silent, Run Deep' on DVD but on our telly as the image quality isn't up to much. I'm trying to get back into seeing a few movies on the telly as I just don't get enough time to go into the cinema as often as I'd like but older films can be enjoyed in two or three sittings much more easily than firing up a projector.
John.
This makes me wish I was a film collector! I do have a 35mm trailer for The Ten Commandments. But no projector to view it.
35mm projectors are around Dan so there's always a chance you'll be able to get one one day. But it's a portable that required really and they're not ten a penny. I have a floorstander being prepared for me for our new home cinema that came out of a multiplex so a small footprint. But that's only worthwhile if you have some features to run really. I don't have many but I love running them.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Thanks for your insights. And thanks for sharing your event. Very cool!
@@dansmith7194 Thank you Dan. It was very nice to see so many friends again Dan. A wonderful atmosphere and the various problems didn't spoil things much at all. John.
Thank you for documenting the event. I leave in In York City, I’m looking forward to attend the next event.
It will be great to meet you if you do get over William. Are you a member of any of the Facebook groups or the 8mm Forum so you will be kept up to date? If not, then there is a British Film Collectors Convention group in Facebook but I put the details of any forthcoming event in the NEXT EVENT page of bfcc.biz so always worth keeping an eye on there. Actually, I need to update that page as I forgot to do it when I created the latest convention on the PAST EVENTS page. You just can't get the staff these days!
John.
@@willianaleman6114 You must keep me up to date if you do head over next year and we'll put you to work getting the screen up! You'' enjoy it, honest. If you've put your membership request into the BFCC group in Facebook then it shouldn't take long until Mark Williams sees it and does what is necessary.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Thanks! I will keep you updated. Yes. I did subscribed to both Facebook forums.
Thanks John that was excellent
Thanks Graham. I wish you'd flown around the world for it. John.
Hi John! Do you have any experience with fanmade digital scans of 35mm prints? I recently got the SW Episode V Grindhouse version, and it looks amazing, takes me back to the early 80s. For now it is as close as I will to having a 35mm projector....
I have seen previews but that's it. If you really want to splash out though new Super 8 prints of the original Star Wars have turned up. At around £900 a copy you'll need a wealthy benefactor but it is the original film with none of the awful animation that was added in later to spoil things for us original fans of the film. These Super 8 prints are proportionally reduced to retain the full 2.40:1 frame which is how all the 'Scope prints should have been done over the years.
John.
I'm actually one of the producers and actors of Dead Community Guild (Nicholas Stevens) Thanks so much for this video brother!
Emil left a comment on one of my previous videos where I showed something on Super 8 and said about 'Dead Community Guild'. The image quality of the trailer amazed me and it looked even better projected at the BFCC. Word does seem to be getting around Super 8 enthusiasts now so quite a few will want to see it whenever that is possible. Well done in all respects. A Canon 514 camera too... incredible. My own Canon 814 is away for repair right now so it's inspired me to get filming on the baby gauge again.
John.
I am happy you enjoyed the video. Don't worry about not twigging who I was. As I said, I knew you were busy and I know what it can be like when you are running an event. I've organised art shows at the Trocadero, London and produced plays. You get to a point were all is a blur. So I understand. We had a really terrific day. We were there from the start to almost the end. I was in full nostalgia mode. My disability started playing up so thought it best to leave before the rush out but we can't wait till the next one. I got a great deal on an anamorphic lens that I am really happy about. If you ever need any help organising etc on the next one I have experience in putting events on myself and would love to be involved.
I saw your Proskar anamorphic in your video Christopher. There's nothing like 'Scope to fill your eyes but it's something that not many home video collectors fully understand and they prefer 1.78:1 ratio films the most as a result. Swinging a 'Scope lens in and having an image immediately twice as wide isn't an option on a telly and even with a video projector it's a bit of a fudge.
If we do another BFCC next year, you're on the team! 14 of us crowd funded this at £50 each. We're currently discussing holding that money back for next year and maybe upping it another £50 if we want to find a bigger venue. Finding somewhere else won't be easy though so we'll have to wait and see what happens there, if anything.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I longed for an anamorphic lens when I initially collected films in the 80's. I hated that films were so often 'pan and scanned'. I have an ongoing photography project making images of old cinemas. I knew a projectionist at my local cinema who tried his best to put on a show. I would watch him in the projection booth and he would enjoy opening the screen to cinemascope in a way that the film viewer appreciated the wider image. I miss the curtains etc (almost a Monty Python quote). There is no real sense of showmanship in todays 'prefab' multiplexes. There are no curtains, the image doesn't get wider for scope anymore. It defeats the object. There are a few exceptions. Prince Charles Cinema tries. Odd that RUclips removed my initial post just because it had a link to my channel. many thanks for putting the link to my video of the BFCC day in your description. And thanks for putting it up on Facebook. Yes, put me down on the list of helpers for the next one. I am keen to be involved.
@@ChristopherJohnBall I'll let Mark Williams know you'll be on the team Chris. The chaps and chapettes all stayed in the Rickmansworth Premier Inn the night before so if we do this it might make sense for you to do the same. We had to hire a rather big van to get all the equipment there so had to drive up at 5am as we wouldn't be able to park the van up overnight with all that in it.
@@moviecollector5920 Brilliant. I live in central London. Rickmansworth is on the Met line which stops near me. I have to use public transport as driving is no longer an option for me. You have my email. If there are any meet ups for planning etc. Let me know.
@@ChristopherJohnBall It was pretty much Mark Williams and I talking on the phone and email but included all the other chaps with relevant information. I visited Keith Wilton to update him and kept him informed on the phone as it's still his event really. We're currently sorting out what we should do for next year and Mark and I will speak again soon because information is still coming in from the other chaps and chapettes. John.
Brilliant video, John! Looked like an excellent time. I’ll be sure to get there next year! Glad you were able to show the trailer for the brilliant doco “Splice here: A projected odyssey”. Just waiting for a blu ray release for it now, Rob says he’s working on it.
Cheers
Clark
Maybe next year Rob will let us screen the whole thing? Might be a bit long though but an extended extract over lunch possibly. That's if we do manage to do another convention next year of course as there's still quite a lot for all of us involved to talk about. We didn't run at a loss so that's probably the most important factor.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Hi John. Do you know if Rob has a 35mm print of Splice Here? It screened at The Widescreen Weekend in Bradford last October. In the program it said showing on 35mm, then nearer to the event it changed to showing on Digital. I wasn't sure if it was a misprint in the program or not.
@@davidjames579 No, I don't know if there is a 35mm print David. I'm not sure the people running the Widescreen Weekend know much about film any longer as I did try reaching out to them ahead of booking tickets and working out how to get there but after one reply from them that failed to comprehend what I was talking about they then ignored me. The upshot, I didn't bother going to all the effort. I might give them a second chance next year but if they mess up again, that's it. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I'm sorry to hear about your experience there, John. It's normally a really well run event. They do have some people working for them who know about film, and the projectionists do an amazing bout of logistics changing 35mm and 70mm prints (and sometimes three 35mm Cineramas) and monitoring them each day of the event from morning to late night. I can only assume you got through to someone who works in admin and sadly doesn't have film knowledge, which they should or know who to to direct your questions to. Thankfully they are keeping film going, even if some of the screenings to my regret are Digital and of course they no longer have a 15/70 IMAX projector. They also have guest speakers, some of whom are friends of the festival organisers including Dave Strohmaier from America, who's the custodian of worldwide Cinerama restoration. I have some hope the organisers know somethings. I have no affiliation to the event or the museum but just thought I'd mention these as I do enjoy going and it is one of the few left running film (including genuine Cinerama).
@@davidjames579 Well, I was coming up primarily to see the new Brothers Grimm Cinerama presentation and was all set to book when I saw it was down as being video projected. I wanted to check this was a mistake and when it was confirmed that it wasn't I gave up on that one and was going to make How The West Was Won my main focus and asked if they'd like me to do them a promotional video gratis but that caused all correspondence to stop immediately. You just can't help some people. I was talking to someone senior there but the evidence was they didn't know much, if anything, about film. The fact that the Photography & Film museum of the UK thought it a good idea to get rid of the ultimate movie presentation format known to man in the form of 15/70 IMAX does seem to confirm the bean counters rather than the people with the knowledge are running things up there now. I'm hassling the BFI IMAX to do an annual genuine IMAX festival over a long weekend. I think that would have film enthusiasts flying in from all over the world and of course, they have the advantage of being in central London.
John.
What a fantastic time I bet you all had! That is a shame indeed how bright it was in there but still managed ok it seems.
We just had to get on with it Jarod. It's all done in a day and just getting the big screen up takes much of the time before the doors open. I had to pick Keith Wilton up (he's been the sole organizer since 1980 I think but I did it for him this time as he's not well now) so that meant I didn't arrive until about 08:30. Missing half an hour of setup time before the doors opened at 10am meant I was behind all day and didn't recover. Just had to put up with light issues and get on with it but we'll be ready if we hold another BFCC there next year. Got people looking into alternative venues within that general area at the moment though. We'll see what happens.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Well done. You did a bang up job John. As they say the show must go on. Such a wonderful event.
@@jarodreddig63 Thank you Jarod. John.
I would have traveled from Australia John just to attend this if I could have - just fantastic!!
We've got to have discussions about a possible second BFCC at the same venue but I think we could overcome most of the issues we had. It's always impossible at a new venue and the second is always much improved. Also, none of us had done one for six and a half years so we were a little out of practice and in particular I caused a problem because I was delayed getting there as I had the job of picking up the long time BFCC commander-in-chief, Keith Wilton who is not in the best of health currently. I was then struggling to catch up most of the morning and bamboozled the rest of the day as a result. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I think it was just great and you made the best out of the situation. Functions like this are always awkward in so many ways, usually unplanned issues are the worst. Thanks for the reply, I feel chuffed that you took the time thank you. Just have to say I was in heaven looking at the stands with everything for sale. It's such a small cine community here in Australia we would never have a fair like this one. Cheers🤗
@@marktubeie07 I think you have similar problems to the USA with an enormous land mass and a disparate population. We're crammed in like sardines here but it does mean that nowhere is too far really... unless it's Scotland then that does become a bit too much of a drive for many of us. Isle of Man can be a bit of a problem too as the ferry across is so expensive. But basically, we're close enough and compact enough to make little film collecting events pay for themselves. The BFCC is now a not-for-profit but it did make a small profit this time. That will be carried over or distributed to the 14 of us who crowd funded it. If we do announce a date for next year might I suggest a holiday to the motherland that corresponds with it? Expensive though. Even more expensive when you factor in all the films you'd be shipping home!!!
John.
Love your videos.
Love your comment Baz! John.
salut belle vidèo sur tout sa comme toujour j"aime
Merci beaucoup comme toujours Alain. John.
Hey John! Big fan of your channel. I love the passion you show when talking about film. I am a 4K enthusiast myself, looking to get into film projection. I would love to get my hands on a Super 8 projector and a scope print of the original Star Wars (from Derann). I live in Quebec, Canada. Would you point me in the right direction as to where I can start looking (web, forums, communities)? I keep looking through Ebays offers, but no luck yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated and keep up the excellent work with the channel! Greetings from Montreal!
The Reel Image in Ohio, USA has new prints of the original Star Wars which costs about £900 Sebastien. That is actually cheaper than the original Derann prints but hold our horses before diving in on that because it's important to get a good Super 8 projector first. The one I recommend is an Elmo ST1200HD but you need to find a good one ahead of any other consideration. There are all manner of variations of ST1200 model but the 'HD' designation has twin track outputs on it which means stereo sound and that should help with any Star Wars Super 8 enjoyment. We ran an extract from the new Star Wars prints at the BFCC but such was the light ingress that I couldn't judge how good it was. It will be important to gauge that before investing in a print. It is the unadulterated version of Star Wars is a proportionally reduced 'Scope print which means the whole image is there and there are thin black bars at the far sides. You may have to re-record a print to get the best stereo sound on it but that can wait until you're more experienced and know what you're doing. An Elmo ST1200 may not be ideal for that process however. I have a trio of Elmo GS1200's which with the right equipment can sync' pulse to PAL video to facilitate re-recordings but the GS1200 is highly electronic and when they go wrong they can be a right pain in the derriere to get fixed.
John.
Looked a pretty busy day! The light bleed was a bit of a shame for the projection room. Never mind. Just bought some more 4k's John. Interstellar, Die Hard, Speed and Independence day. They score well on image quality.
Interstellar is the best of that little lot Lborg. I haven't seen Independence Day since its theatrical release but it was issued on Super 8 so I would have seen extracts from it back then. Not a great film but many still enjoy it today in spite of what I may think about it. I don't remember the image quality being exceptional so you'll have to let me know what you think. Die Hard and Speed on Super 8 are both excellent and so you'll find they're of very high quality on 4K because the quality of the Super 8's confirm the quality of the original shoot was of high standard. Independence Day may well be hampered by low quality computer animated special effects which is often an issue from films of the period.
John.
At last!!! John, thank you for showing! I so wish we all could be there. My entire family would enjoy it very much!
I see a Super 8 camera was presented for purchase. I wonder how much the owner wanted for it.
Beautiful projectors! I am glad you were able to overcome all the technical difficulties - especially on the sound and lamp conversion!! Fuuuff... a big relief!
I don't believe we ever discussed this matter.. Are you a big Dr. Who fan? Which one do you like the most?
Many interesting individuals and happy faces!
You are correct... the process of loading the film and projecting it is pure magic. I really miss our family get togethers in front of a projector.
I have never seen "Black Hole". I remember the poster on Disney+ Channel.
Do you receive any support from the government to make these presentations?
Since I did not see the previous ones, I will say this: witnessing events like these allows a person to appear for a brief moment in a different world, where people are inspired about something unusual and speak about it passionately. A visitor immediately gets a feeling of witnessing something very special, which energizes them and allows to be surprised and excited as if they were back in their much younger years. In other words... it is very pleasant to see that people continue wonderful traditions and use that to bring people together for a great fun time!
Congratulations, John!
Dmitri
Morning Dmitri. What a lovely post that one is. There are always cine cameras for sale at these film collector events and not many of them are very expensive. My own Canon 814 is with Noel Pratt at the moment because I stupidly left batteries in it and they leaked. I hope he can work his magic on it as I'd very much like to get back to using it again. The images from it are exceptional and when you think Emil Ink shot 'Dead Community Guild' on the lesser 514 model you can probably understand how I feel about wanting it back and working again.
The Black Hole isn't the best film ever made but a section from towards the end of the film was released on Super 8 at the time of its release and that made it feel a bit special to many of us collectors. How we'd have liked to have gotten more after that 400ft reel. It was a 'Scope film though and Disney only released it flat, panned and scanned.
No, the government don't fund these conventions. This one was crowd funded by a group of 14 of us and we're currently discussing whether to carry that forward to attempt a second BFCC at the same hall next year or whether to try to find a bigger, better venue and all put another fifty smackers in the pot.
I think most of us enjoyed Saturday but there are always criticisms of the BFCC. There always have been. This time I pretty much told everyone about the expected compromises but I couldn't have foreseen the changes to the curtains and blackouts. We just had to get on with it as we only had two hours to get everything ready. It's all done in a day and that's all the time we had to prepare. It's not like any of us live locally and have access for several days previous. But you always hear from someone who did a show for a few friends so knows how much trouble it can be! Yes, even putting a little Super 8 projector up, a tripod screen and an extension screen could seem problematic at times. Try putting a 24 foot screen up, two independent sound systems, a pair of Super 8 projectors, a 35mm projector and a 4K video projector and making that all work from one show to the next and you start to get the idea of what is involved. Just hiding all the cables under rugs and cable tidies takes ages so it all adds up and the time quickly dissipates.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Hello, John! I am glad you enjoyed the message. I really wish I was there to enjoy all the education and cinema!
Would a lot of black fabric and industrial/guerilla sticky tape fix the issues with light in the auditorium?
I organized a few events here and in Europe from overseas. So, I have a lot of admiration towards you and other organizers for putting such public event together. Coordination of schedules and logistics alone are great achievements! Not to mention all the technical fixes and micromanagement. You gentlemen did absolutely wonderful. It is all in the video.
Do you feel good about it? You really should!
Dmitri
@@dmitripopov8570 I was surprisingly relaxed on the day Dmitri and hadn't really felt any stress or concerns beforehand. One of the restrictions in the contract for the hire of the hall is that nothing will be pinned or stuck anywhere so that rather limits what we can do in a hurry. However, if the hall will fix the wooden screen door from the kitchen room area onto the main hall then we can deal with the rest. If not, then I suspect that beautiful little venue is a dead duck as far as the BFCC is concerned. But it was good fun, enjoyable and nice to see so many old friends and acquaintances again. Many of us go back more than 30 years now and some many more than that.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Like a high school reunion! :) Awesome!! I have never been to any of mine, unfortunately, but I can imagine. I am sure you will be able to find a new place for rent in no time. Maybe some high school would rent you an auditorium with a screen? They have plenty of space on weekends and would not mind some income either.
Dmitri
@@dmitripopov8570 Schools tend to be outside of town centres so tend to make the conventions feel a little isolated. We did hold the BFCC in a school within Ealing for a few years but we were stuck out on a llmb really and it was quite a walk into town for anyone wanting to go for lunch or a drink. The Chorleywood hall is only a couple of minutes from the town with a nice pub just up the road a few doors too. But there is some dialogue going on with universities in England right now for something a little different and in addition to an annual BFCC. John.
Great overview John. See you in Blackpool?
Might see you there Stephen. I haven't been able to come for about 20 years now so it would be good to get back. John.
Excellent.
Thank you Robert. John.
Definitely something I’d be interested in attending next time, is there a website for this so I can make sure I don’t miss out on venue and dates? Love the channel John, unfortunately I don’t have the space for a proper projector but make up for that with Blu ray and 4k 😃
I have the web site at bfcc.biz so give that a look. A work colleague knocked up the basic site one lunchtime more than 20 years ago and I've been adding to it ever since. Look at the PAST EVENTS page and you'll see about 20 years of past conventions listed with loads of photos. When we started most were using analogue modems for web access hence why what we posted in the early years was smaller and lower quality. I go a bit over the top with it now that everyone has broadband.
John.
❤ Talking Pictures TV. It's just what the UK needed. It's the only channel I regularly watch.
If I hadn't completely given up on television when the digital switchover came in (it's a long story!) then Talking Pictures and GB News would probably be the only two I'd ever look at. I find most everything else intolerable, a wind up, offensive or just plain full of propaganda (i.e. lies). When I do see Talking Pictures on the occasions we're away somewhere then it's always interesting. John.
Would you ever consider doing lectures in univercitys? as someone who has degree in filmmaking, i was never once taught about film or film-cameras, by the time i made it into higher education, it was all digital, so it would be cool to see you try and explain it to people.
That would be rather exciting Rhys. I expect you need to fulfill all sorts of criteria before an invitation is forthcoming though. Seeing the film formats and the equipment probably would make modern film students appreciate the history of what they are studying, particularly considering 35mm was the industry standard for more than a hundred years and some of the projectors in cinemas were in situ for 80 years or more with only necessary upgrades to lenses, lamp housings and sound readers over the decades. Not so today whereby if a new video format comes along the cinemas have to shell out tens of thousands on the latest tech. No wonder so many are still video projecting 2K only, including some cinemas purporting to be IMAX.
John.
I saw this video on the day you posted it, but I am only now really looking at it. Interesting stuff. It's interesting to say the least
It seems that quite a few people have found it interesting Timothy which is a nice surprise. I didn't think it would appeal to many people at all. John.
Great video John , I bet it was great to be back and I bet it was fantastic to see all the super 8mm up to 35 min and even see how 4k projection looks on a massive screen , I will be there for the next one .
Because the stage pelmets hang a little too low for the screen the 4K and 35mm frame ratios were a little restricted so we could only go to about 20 feet wide, but they both looked fabulous. 4K was surprisingly good considering it's one of my home video projectors. Actually, I thought the image looked more natural than I see in cinemas but perhaps that's because I've set it up to look like film so fastidiously at home. Or maybe I need glasses!
John.
@moviecollector5920 Hi John , you probably have set it up to look like film 🎥 lol , do you find your new lazer projector blows the colours out more than you old projector , because you mentioned you had a hard time comparing 4k hdr to standard blu ray ?
@@paulcadman3562 i've got the UHZ50 sat with me here right now because I've just been talking to Optoma about it. With the BFCC out of the way I yesterday dared to risk the firmware update that I've been putting off for fear of a disaster. Well the firmware update went through fine but didn't sort out the 'Dynamic Black' flickering issue so then when the machine prompted me to say it was now ready for a driver update I went for that too. After that there were three flashing lights and nothing to tell me what was wrong. I powered it off to postpone any possible cock-ups until speaking to Optoma's technical department in Hemel Hempstead. This three light warning usually means something fatal has occurred but in this instance it's telling us the driver is taking an age to install. A bit daft to use the same error indication as a terminal failure but there you go. I left it plugged in and walked about for half an hour and it just came back to life. So the upshot is, I'm now in a position to scrutinize this projector fully which I wasn't really before. The firmware update didn't correct 'Dynamic Black' so we'll see if the driver update has made any difference. Up to now, most of the videos I've run through it have had to have the brightness of the laser lamp reined in but initially it took me a while to work this out. Once you know where it is it's rather easy but the image overall does look best in 'Dynamic Black' mode which seems to mean you can't affect the brightness as it's all then automated. Looks like a compromise of constant power output of around 75% will end up being the recommended solution. I think we watched the Blu-ray of 'The Missing' at 50% and that looked fabulous then - just like watching a 35mm film print in fact.
Basically, it's a minefield but paying someone to calibrate it would be a waste of time and money because you'd still have to check the brightness of the lamp to see which constant power setting suits each video best. Once you tinker with that you should probably tinker with other settings too. The UHD550X was much easier and no way anyone should ever need anyone to 'calibrate' it for them.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 great news the update worked out and may it turn out to be a good investment ,all the best .
@@paulcadman3562 'Dynamic Black' is still unusable. I suppose it's impossible to get it sorted without loading a video into cache and preparing each scene ahead of time and programming it not to alter the brightness during any scene. Yep, sounds like it's impossible now that I've written it out.
John.
Another brilliant video John. Thanks - really enjoyed it.
Good to know. Thank you Vegas. John.
So jealous...you ROCK!!!
Thank you Bob. I enjoyed it but wish I'd foreseen the light ingress issues. Great to see a BFCC heaving again even if it did mean sharing the main hall with cinema and dealers presented more issues. John.
Your other comment has been removed by RUclips Bob as it has a hyperlink in it and they always seem to remove those now. The answer to your question is yes, that is the web site for Talking Pictures TV, or one of them anyway, don't know if they have another URL. Great people and a great channel. John.
@@moviecollector5920 True, there were issues...but I still would have LOVED to been there, flaws and all.
O pixel não supera a película... o verdadeiro cinema.
Aceito. Por mais que uma boa projeção de vídeo se torne, nada superará a emoção de projetar um filme real.
John.
What a collection I throughly enjoyed watching this video,nice seeing all those Projectors and plenty of Films.
I always liked the Elvis Presley film Roustabout.
I would have bought a copy of the Elvis book but couldn't afford £37.99. A lot of Elvis films made it onto the bootlace gauge so a good topic for a book. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yeah too much for me although I’ve bought several Hammer Books costing between £40-£50,I did like some of his films.
@@paulallenMacca Me too Paul, I really enjoy quite a few of the Presley films. It's having a book all about the Super 8 releases that appeals to me so I'll see if I can get it on my Christmas list and hope someone does the deed! John.
Hi John, glad I could make it. Really enjoyed it.
It was good to have you there Mark. I'm hoping we'll all agree to give it another go next year and come up with solutions for most of the light problems. We might be able to fit all the dealers into the side rooms with a little jiggery pokery too because I don't expect we'll have quite so many at a second convention there. But you never know.
John.
Great documentary John and so pleased you finally got to hold this event (after all the lost ‘covid years’). Fantastic to see the high levels of enthusiasm from delegates and attendees!! Very much a ‘Boomer’ demographic - will be interesting to see if enthusiasm spreads to Gen X & Z folks to keep film formats alive into the future! Seemed quite chaotic (noisy) and whilst the visuals looked strong, wasn’t sure if the audio was up to the same standard in the hall (sounded tinny & hollowed-out). Looks like you organisers all learnt a lot from this and have some great ideas how to improve the experience for the next meeting. Good to see the exhibitors and the sale of film & film-related materials. Seeing all those projectors made me nostalgic - I take it that there weren’t any IMAX projectors for sale!! 😂
One dealer did bring an IMAX GT projector George but he had to leave it on the truck in the car park as it wouldn't fit through the doors. The audio wasn't particularly good but I don't think it was entirely the acoustics. I did have to disguise much of it in this video though because music in particular picks up copyright issues so I didn't want to risk infringing anything. I still think the end product gives a good flavour of the day even if it's not audibly perfect. If we do a second BFCC at this venue next year it should be much better. Maybe you could bring your Aston down for a James Bond extract. We had the DB5 section on from No Time To Die this time.
John.
Sounds fantastic John! Yes, I get the YT sound copyright issues now you explain. That scene from NTTD is awesome, as was the motorbike chase scene with the Triumph Scrambler. Yes, the Aston is being pressed into several coronation-celebration related Aston car meetings (as the King is an Aston owner) in Kent next week - lots of bunting! BTW, we’re going to try to book seats for Oppenheimer at BFI IMAX (when tickets go on sale) - your recent coverage of your visits to see the Nolan back-catalogue has whetted our appetite!
@@EgroegNosnhoj I didn't get any copyright issues so whether or not I would have had I not have played with the sound is not known but I dubbed much of it out where there was music playing. I expect to see photos of your adventures on Saturday George. As for OPPENHEIMER, I plan to get a video out as soon as I've booked so that maybe a whole group of us on here can get together before and after the show. John.
Wonderful you keep this going.
I wasn't there in 1976 but Keith Wilton was and so was Dave Locke. We sometimes welcome the surviving original organizer along (Stephen Herbert) too. 47 years of history for an enthusiasts gathering is quite something really. I'd been number 2 to Keith for years but he's not very well now so did all the donkey work for this one on his behalf.
John.
I've never seen a trade show like this for film. Thank you for the tour. It all seems very fun.
The film collecting hobby has been a part of my life for all of my life. There are other film fairs around but nothing quite like the BFCC. This wasn't quite to the standard we used to put on but we're not exactly a growing hobby any longer to had to accept a smaller venue was required. But it is a lovely part of the world and a very nice hall so if we do another there next year we'll raise the bar a bit. I'm already making plans but it depends on the other chaps and chapettes involved. John.
It makes me happy to see how alive & well the community is
We have a much bigger event coming up at the end of October Zuffin. Looking rather exciting given the attention it's already getting. Film collecting is returning. John.
Great content! Cheers!
Thank you Federico. John.
I wish there was something like this in my hometown
We have a similar gathering in Blackpool called the 'Northern Film Collectors Convention' every November with the only thing to bear in mind is that no one else has a big screen like the BFCC but it's not so important for most events. There are other smaller film fairs but the BFCC is the original film collectors convention and it's always been London based so that's why it tends to be busier. John.
There’s nothing quite like the sound of those projectors. Brilliant video as usual. Maybe one day I’ll come to the event. Love from Australia
Clark Teddles would like to come over from Oz too Sisco. I think a holiday to the motherland combined to when the BFCC is scheduled would be the best way to justify it as it's not cheap or quick to travel all the way around the world. We do have better tea here though! John.
@@moviecollector5920 definitely hope to see you soon
@@Veniceredmask01 That would be very special Sisco.
By all accounts, it looks like a good day was had by all.
I thought it had a good atmosphere all day Cheekster. More of a social gathering this time around but I think we all needed that after no seeing so many old acquaintances and friends for so long. John.
Nice tour and film room John.
It was a fun event Craig but not quite the usual high standard of projection we used to achieve. We'll get it more sorted if we do a second event there though. John.
Amazing! How do I join?
All you do is come along the next time we hold an event. We just did the biggest we've ever attempted in Leicester a couple of weekends back. John.
Greetings from Canada 🇨🇦! What a time to be in England! A new king and the return of the BFCC! Hail to the king baby. Glad you were able to host so many people and that the lighting issue wasn’t a complete hindrance.
We just had to soldier on with the light ingress Jeremy. It shouldn't have been the issue it was but it didn't occur to me the hall would have removed the curtains or the blackout in the main entrance. As for the king - he's a good chap and will do us proud despite having been a bit of a nitwit over some issues throughout his life. He knows to shut up about them now so all will be good.
John,
Excellent guys! 📽🎞
Thank you Kevin. John.
Thanks for organising such a great event. This was the first time I attended the BFCC after hearing about it on this channel. I was also glad to be able to say hello in person! Thanks, Julio
It was nice to meet you Julio. I should have taken video or photos of all of us who had met up because of this channel because it was all a bit of a blur and I'd very much like to have kept a souvenir of everyone I spoke to. Next time I'll have to have an official photographer there just to keep tabs on who I meet. Thank you for coming along and supporting the BFCC.
John.
@Movie Collector Next time! Already looking forward to it. Thanks again, John.
I love Crimson Tide, a wonderful blu-ray that I hope will get the 4K treatment soon.
Looks like a fun event. Thanks for giving us the glimpse at the cool proceedings 🙂
Sod a 4K, I want that print! Seriously though, it's a great film and I'd have to have a 4K if it ever gets the treatment. I love having the PAL LaserDisc though and I should really run that again soon. John.
@@moviecollector5920 If you had a print, i will come to watch that! 😎 Magnificent thriller, stellar cast and score.
The event looks like a success, light excepted.
@@Kings_Gambit The light wasn't such a problem with the 35mm, video projection and flat Super 8 - particularly through my HTI Super 8 projector. But we'll see if we can deal with it if there's a second BFCC at the Chorleywood hall. It was more of a big party this time so had a very good vibe to it. John.
I love Crimson Tide. I saw it twice in a theater during its original run at the legendary Pacific’s Cinerama Dome. To say the least, it was a mind blowing experience. 35mm film and Dolby Stereo with digital sound.
@@MrAmtrak457 I think it's the best ever submarine film. I can well imagine how impressive it would have been in the CineramaDome. Let's hope someone comes forward to save that great cinema.
John.
Just magnificent John. If I wasn’t on the other side of the World in Australia I would love to attend something like this.
We need an airline to offer free flights for anyone flying in for a BFCC, that would sort it!
I think this is the only event of its kind other than the Northern Film Collectors Convention in Blackpool over here in November. Even the NFCC doesn't have a big screen anything like ours though and it probably wouldn't fit in to their venue anyway owing to the height of it so there would be no point in me driving it up there for them. I haven't been able to attend Blackpool for years because it is only a week after the Classic Motor Show and I've been on duty there every time up to now but that may all finally be changing.
John.
That Looney Toons print looked lovely. Delicious, rich colours and no degradation of image. Glad you had a good event, it looks great!
I might have been projecting one of them David, but I didn't have a chance to look at it on the day. The light ingress meant they didn't look as good as they should have done but I think most accepted the situation well. Some didn't but you can't please all of the people all of the time, particularly those who have never done anything themselves before. John.
John, do you have a PO Box?
Nope. If you want to email me you'll find there's only one John on bfcc.biz. If you do email though please let me know you've sent it so I can remove this reply as I don't want to risk getting inundated. John.
@@moviecollector5920 ~ Thanks John, I've screen grabbed your reply 👍
This video's a real winner; what a treat! Makes me want to have been there! Lots of passionate, interesting people - and some terrific kit and items.
Thought of you the other day, John. I bought Prince of Darkness 4K, off-the-back of your fabulous review. You weren't half right: screening it felt like watching an actual film print! I *love* seeing 70s and 80s anamorphic. (Even when there's a lens problem - as is so evident in several shots of POD - as you pointed out, and which I noted.) I'm having such a thrilling time with these UHD discs, to the point where I feel like a teenager again, first discovering home cinema!
Keep up the great work, mate👌
We're two of a kind then. Watch Prince Of Darkness in a pitch black room with the volume as loud as you can stand it and it's a pretty scary film. I first saw it in NFT1 and it had me going a bit. Not many films have had me on edge in the past 35 years or so but that one did. Now I just watch it and admire it so that aspect is gone but what a great example of the film making art. That John Carpenter fellow certainly directed some wonderful films.
John.
Hi John! Congratulations on getting back to this it must be gratifying after all this time despite the issues you describe. It was fun to watch this video and get a feel for the event thanks! Seeing those clips was great at one point I can't be sure what the animated film was playing some Looney Tunes by chance lol? Thanks again cheers D!!
Thank you Dave. I barely saw any of the shows, even when I was projecting them as my mind was constantly thinking of the next step or I was rushing over to close a door! This can all be sorted if we do a second BFCC there but the 14 of us who crowd funded this one need to discuss everything before making a decision. I think there were two Looney Tunes cartoons. Christopher put up another video with much more in it. The link is in the description for this and I really enjoyed it as he filled in a lot of what I missed.
John.
So wisg I had been able to attend
We might give it another go next year. Depends on if we can address the light ingress issues satisfactorily. John.
Hey john, looks like a grand time so happy you guys are able to get back together that’s a long time I belong to an audio club here in Michigan and we meet once a month and even that sometimes feels like a long time and of course, during the pandemic, we probably didn’t meet for more than two years always good to see friends. I was pretty impressed with the video quality could see on this video I only could imagine being there in person. Keep the great videos come in and have a great one as always👍
Thank you John. There were a lot of unknowns with this convention as we'd not done one at this hall before but what I didn't anticipate was the blackouts and the curtains being removed. Whoops! Still, it was more of a big party than anything else and really nice to talk to so many old friends and acquaintances again. John.
Extremely informative presentation. Also, without the common fanfare associated with other channels, no doubt a credit to your tone and demeanor, I noticed you have reached 22K subscribers. As my father would say, may the best day of your past be the worst day of your future”,... A quiet congratulations. Joe
22,000 subscribers. i don't tend to look at that or think about it Joe so thank you for pointing it out. I see the figure for how many might have subscribed in the previous four week period but rarely give it much thought. I do try to produce videos that will get enough views to warrant making them but this was one I didn't expect to get many at all. It seems to be doing well and the comments indicate that most have enjoyed it. It's a nice surprise. I started helping Keith Wilton with the BFCC's about 30 years ago so it's just something I'm interested in preserving and seeing if we can take it onto something else a bit different now. This one turned out to be more of a party as people did genuinely seem to be enjoying seeing everyone again and simply talking about their hobby. There were quite a few new faces as a result of this channel and that made a big difference to it. We have some decisions to make about whether or not to do another in 2024 but we're talking about it already and have some irons in the fire. We will look for somewhere else but if nowhere suitable presents itself then we'll just have to get this hall right next time. We can do it but I don't think so many people will come to Chorleywood a second time. We'll see.
John.
Looked like fun, you lucky dog!
Thanks for that Gary. Where were you, you old bugger?!? John.
@@moviecollector5920 spring in Oklahoma, I have 7 acres, so cutting grass!
@@garyharper2943 Well that's a good excuse then Gary.
@@moviecollector5920 sent a picture by email.
Huzzah! Well done to all involved! Keith and Rajesh 😃
Thank you Keith and Raj. I hope it was worth it for you. It felt like a big party to me with a very good atmosphere. John.
Fantastic video... as always... and a really great event. Well done!
Thank you. People do seem to like this one which is quite a surprise as I didn't expect too many to be interested in 'reel' film on here. John.
John, at the old Mile End ABC (now The Genesis) on the two smaller screens (which i actually preferred to the supposedly better cinema upstairs) i used to think it was really cool when the screen was adjusted by those sidebar mechanisms to accommodate the Panavision frame but i never really understood how the 35MM image could then suddenly appear to be 70MM especially as they appeared to be using the same projector for both formats ?. Something else i wondered about was why some supposedly big-budget blockbusters weren't shown in the widescreen format where-as some lesser budgeted films were ?, you'd have thought it would've been the opposite.
It's just the 'Scope lens that facilitates the wider aspect ratio Barry. There was a bit of a switch to Super 35 because anamorphic lenses, however good they are, always introduce a little distortion here and there and with computer animators drawing over so much of modern films, it made the job easier for them without the extra lens to add miniscule imperfections to the frames they were subsequently animating. Panavision produced superior lenses to the original Chretien devised CinemaScope lenses and so quickly took over the market in the 1960's I think. The 'Scope format (as it is widely known in the industry) is when we used to see the curtains open and then the making follow prior to a feature made in the anamorphic 'Scope format. A 'Scope lens to shoot the film and then the same specification two times squeeze 'Scope lens to project it. Simples. With Super 35 2.40:1 ratio films the end product was optically blown up to create a squeezed, full frame negative from which the prints were struck and projected using the 'Scope lens.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Cheers for that reply and information John, much appreciated.
Fantastic MISTER .FROM CANARY ISLANDS.
Thank you Ezequiel. Glad you enjoyed it. John.
@Movie Collector Is It Possible For you to add a business email to your about section It's Because I Would Like Do Captions For A Couple Videos You Done In The Past And New Videos In The Future
You'll find me on bfcc.biz so have a look and give that a try. I'm the only 'John' so you shouldn't have too much trouble. It is a forwarding 'alias' email but send me something and let me know on here if you don't hear back from me.
John.